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The Countdown of The Last Thirteen Moon cyles til The Start of The Grand Cycle of Pacha iNTi


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The Countdown of The Last Thirteen Moon Cycles begins on 13 DEC 2012 and will flow forward until sunset on the 16th December of 2013 which will signal, The End of The Grand Cycle of Macha & Pacha at sunset.

The Macha Cycle began 9,360,000 Kin aka days before 21 DEC 2012 and 9,360,360 Kin aka days before 16 DEC 2013.

The Macha Cycle ends on 21 DEC 2012 at sunset,

it is also, The 47th Ahua of a sequence of 65 cycles which started onAugust 11th, 3114 BC Gregorian Proleptic = September 6th, 3114 BC Julian = FULL MOON

This date was also The First Day of a twenty day cycle which starts with: IMIX- Crocodile Glyph on The Mayan Tzolkin Calendar of 260 kin aka days.

This date was also The First Day of a twenty day cycle which starts with CIPACTLI - Crocodile Glyph on The Aztec Tonalpohualli Calendar

The Pacha Cycle begins 22 DEC 2012 aka The 47th Ahua at sunrise and it ends on 16 DEC 2013 aka The 65th Ahua at sunset.

There have been some very Important dates within this greater Grand Cycle which have been clearly indentified as, being important Dr. Calleman with 28 October, 2011John Major Jenkins & Terrance Mckenna with 21 December, 2011.

The work of Tony Bermanseder of Queensland, Australia& Susan Lynne Schwenger of Dokis First Nation, Ontario in Canadawho have clearly identified them, as being: 28 Oct 2011 aka The 26th Ahua, within a cycle of 65 21 Dec 2012 aka The 47th Ahua, within a cycle of 65 aka 13.0.0.0.0 along with their own date of: 16 Dec 2013 aka The 65th Ahua, within a cycle of 65 aka 13.0.1.0.0

This date, also aligns with The Last Day on The Aztec Tonalpohualli Calendarknown as 13-Xochitl - Flower which is a 260-day religious calendarused by The Aztec People 17 Dec 2013 aka 13.0.1.0.1


THE START of THE GRAND CYCLE of PACHA iNTi

This date, also aligns with The First Day on Tzolk'in Calendar called IMIX aka

The First of The Last 13 new to full moon cycles

from 13 DEC 2013 to 17 DEC 2013

1st of last 13 new to full moon cycles begins:
13 DEC 2012 to 28 DEC 2012

21 DEC 2012 - signals The End of The Macha Cycle
22 DEC 2012 - signals The Start of THE PACHA CYCLE
which runs until sunset on 16 DEC 2013

The other new to full moon cycles runs between:

11 JAN 2013 to 27 JAN 2013

10 FEB 2013 to 25 FEB 2013

11 MAR 2013 to 27 MAR 2013

10 APR 2013 to 25 APR 2013

10 MAY 2013 to 25 MAY 2013

8 JUN 2013 to 23 JUN 2013

8 JUL 2013 to 22 JUL 2013

6 AUG 2013 to 21 AUG 2013

5 SEP 2013 to 19 SEP 2013

5 OCT 2013 to 18 OCT 2013

3 NOV 2013 to 17 NOV 2013

3 DEC 2013 to 17 DEC 2013

which includes:

17 DEC 2013 - The Start of The 13th Grand Cycle
The Start of The Pacha iNTi Grand Cycle
The 1st Full Moon of The 13th Grand Cycle

13.0.1.0.1


1-Cipactli - Crocodile is the first day of new tonalpohualli, or 260-day religious calendar
IMIX - Aztec Crocodile

- discovered by Susan Lynne Schwenger & Tony Bermanseder

The 12th Grand Cycle encompasses 9,360,000 + 360 pacha = 65 cycles x 144,000 + 360 pacha = 9,360,360

The 26th Ahua - 28 OCT 2011 - The Calleman Date
The 47th Ahua - 21 DEC 2012 - The John Major Jenikins Date
The 47th Ahua - 21 DEC 2012 - The Terrance Mckenna Date

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will park the article here

 

THE CHEROKEE CALENDER - BACKS up 17 DEC 2013 - as Grand Cycle Start Date discovered by Susan Lynne Schwenger - Tony Bermanseder


THE CHEROKEE CALENDER - BACKS up 17 DEC 2013 - as The Start date of The Grand Cycle of Pacha iNTi at sunrise

All of The Old Calendars,
as, well as THE CHEROKEE CALENDER - BACKS up 17 DEC 2013
as The Start Date of The Grand Cycle of Pacha iNTi at sunrise on The 17th of December 2013,
which was discovered by Susan Lynne Schwenger - Tony Bermanseder

THE CHEROKEE CALENDER
is as follows:

Here is The Ephemeris according to Raven Hails book Cherokee Astrology.
This gives the Gregorian calendar 2012-2013 dates corresponding
to the 1st day of the Cherokee week (Hummingbird) along with its day sign.
Jan. 2, 2012 - 1 Twins
Jan. 15, 2012 - 1 Redbird
Jan. 28, 2012 - 1 Rattlesnake Tooth
Feb. 10, 2012 - 1 Serpent
Feb. 23, 2012 - 1 Flint
Mar. 7, 2012 - 1 Raccoon
Mar. 20, 2012 - 1 Dragon
Apr. 2, 2012 - 1 Heron
Apr. 15, 2012 - 1 Wolf
Apr. 28, 2012 - 1 Hearth
May. 11, 2012 - 1 Owl
May. 24, 2012 - 1 The River
Jun. 6, 2012 - 1 whirlwind
Jun. 19, 2012 - 1 Eagle
July 2, 2012 - 1 Rabbit
July 15, 2012 - 1 Turtle
July 28, 2012 - 1 Panther
Aug. 10, 2012 - 1 Deer
Aug. 23, 2012 - 1 Flower
Sept. 5, 2012 - 1 Reed
Sept. 18, 2012 - 1 Twins
Oct. 1, 2012 - 1 Redbird
Oct. 14, 2012 - 1 Rattlesnake Tooth
Oct. 27, 2012 - 1 Serpent
Nov. 9, 2012 - 1 Flint
Nov. 22, 2012 - 1 Raccoon
Dec. 5, 2012 - 1 Dragon
Dec. 18, 2012 - 1 Heron
Dec. 31, 2012 - 1 Wolf
Jan. 13, 2013 - 1 Hearth
Jan. 26, 2013 - 1 Owl
Feb. 8, 2013 - 1 The River
Feb. 21, 2013 - 1 Whirlwind
Mar. 6, 2013 - 1 Eagle
Mar. 19, 2013 - 1 Rabbit
Apr. 1, 2013 - 1 Turtle
Apr. 14, 2013 - 1 Panther
Apr. 27, 2013 - 1 Deer
May 10, 2013- 1 Flower
May 23, 2013 - 1 Reed
Jun. 5, 2013 - 1 Twins
Jun. 18, 2013 - 1 Redbird
Jul. 1, 2013 - 1 Rattlesnake Tooth
Jul. 14, 2013 - 1 Serpent
Jul. 27, 2013 - 1 Flint
Aug. 9, 2013 - 1 Raccoon
Aug. 22, 2013 - 1 Dragon
Sept. 4, 2013 - 1 Heron
Sept. 17, 2013 - 1 Wolf
Sept. 30, 2013 - 1 Hearth
Oct. 13, 2013 - 1 Owl
Oct. 26, 2013 - 1 The River
Nov. 8, 2013 - 1 Whirlwind
Nov. 21, 2013 - 1 Eagle
Dec. 4, 2013 - 1 Rabbit
Dec. 17, 2013 - 1 Turtle
Dec. 30, 2013 - 1 Panther

This is the list of The Cherokee Calendar cycles
-it clearly shows that it does NOT align with 21 DEC 2012, or 22 DEC 2012

- it does clearly show that 17 DEC 2013, is an important date

- we have identified that it is the only date in the list, that is a full moon
and, it is the only date, that can be properly calibrated with the number of kin aka days in
The Tzolk'in Calendar(260), The Haab Calendar(360+5), The Aztec Tonalpohualli Calendar(260),
The Cherokee Calender (260), The Old First Nations - Metis - Native American Calendar (260),
and, The Ancient Year which consists of 6 sections of 60 days = 360.

The changes in The Grand Cycle was discovered in May of 2010,
by Tony Bermanseder & Susan Lynne Schwenger

IMPORTANT DATES in THE GRAND CYCLES:

28 OCT 2011 - The 26th Ahua - The Calleman Date
21 DEC 2012 - The 47th Ahua - The John Major Jenkins Date
21 DEC 2012 - The 47th Ahua - The Terrance McKenna Date
21 DEC 2012 - The End of The Macha Grand Cycle at sunset
22 DEC 2012 - The Start of The Pacha Grand Cycle at sunrise
16 DEC 2013 - The 65th Ahua - The Susan Lynne Schwenger -Tony Bermanseder Date
16 DEC 2013 - The End of The Macha Grand Cycle & The Pacha Grand Cycle at sunset
17 DEC 2013 - Start of The 13th Grand Cycle of Pacha iNTi at sunrise

The work of Tony Bermanseder can clearly illustrate the importance of the bible codes,
and, how these dates flow through the assortment of calendar dates related to The Grand Cycles on Earth.

Further details can be found on:

http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/...C39E-7270-4160-80DE-61A397C1A988&pageindex=84


or, see this thread on The mists for more info:

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t12...unset-17-dec-2013-at-sunrise-next-grand-cycle

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The answer to The Grand Cycle has been found... and everyone is part right !!!

The answers are in cycles of 5, 6, 13, 20, 60, 65, 260, 360, 360 + 360/361+5 & 144,000 as, well, as The Cycles of The New & The Full Moons that are followed by all indigenous & tribal people worldwide.

There is only one date, that will satisfy the end, and, the start date of all ancient calendars, from The Mayan Tzolkin (260 days), The Mayan Haab (360/361+5 days), The Aztec Tonalpohualli (260 days), The Cherokee (260 days) to The Ancient First Nations - Metis - Native American (260 days) & (360 days) calendars.

The Ancient Year, was always measured in relation to a circle, which has 360 Degrees or 360 Days, from an astrological perspective this would relate to a 1 degree precession per day, following through a series of 360 days to complete one year.

This calendar was originally set into six quarters of sixty days - 6 x 60 = 360 and each of these six quarters where known as: Winter, Spring, Breakup, Summer, Fall, and Freeze Up.

In 2012, The New Moon occurs on 13 Dec 2012, and, The Full Moon occurs on 28 Dec 2012, which signals The End of The Freeze Up Cycle, and, The Start of The Winter Cycle which was the real beginning of The Annual Yearly Cycle.

In 2013, The New Moon occurs on 03 Dec 2013, and, The Full Moon on 17 Dec 2013, which signals The End of Freeze Up Cycle, and, The Start of The Winter Cycle, The Beginning of The Annual Yearly Cycle.

This date is in perfect alignment with The Start of The Winter cycle of 2012-2013 and The Start Date of The 13th Grand Cycle of Pacha iNTi which begins on The 17th of December, 2013.

The Cycle of The New Moons, along with The Full Moons, and each of The Six Quarters are all connected to very significant Ceremonies, for an assortment of purposes.

The Date of The 21st of December 2012, does NOT satisfy all calendars and therefore, it can NOT be accepted as the end date of a grand cycle, as, it is NOT in perfect alignment with all known calendars.

The 21st DEC 2012 is The 47th Ahua Date in the last series of 65 cycles.

and, is The end of The Macha (female) Cycle of 9,360,000 Kin aka Days (65 cycles x 144,0000) and The 22nd DEC 2012 is the start of The Pacha (male) Cycle, which runs for 360 Kin aka days (6 cycles of 60) and 9,360,000 + 360 = 9,360,360 = 65 cycles X 144,000 + 60 x 6 and The 16th DEC 2013 is The 65th Ahua Date in the last series of 65 cycles.

The length of The Ancient Cycles were, and, still are 5, 6, 13, 20, 60, 260, 360, 360/361+5, & 144,000. Our correlation date for the last cycle is August 11th 3114 BC Gregorian proleptic or September 6th, 3114 BC Julian.

It is important to know, that The Gregorian Calendar did NOT exist prior to 1572, when it was created and implemented as The Civil Calendar by Pope Gregory of The Catholic Church, which introduced a leap year, every four years, to account for the missing time.

A real day is NOT exactly 24 hours in length and this calendar was created to create the ability to allow the time keeping of mechanical clocks & watches, which required exact measures.

The Ancient Year was 360 Kin aka Days - exactly the number of degrees in a circle or a round.

The Moon Cycles were given names, and, each tribe utilized slightly different names, The Creator asked All of The Original Ancestors of all of The Tribes to give blessings through the giving of names to everything, including The Naming of The Moon cycles and, to do that they utilized the process of The Naming Ceremony

The Grand cycle occurs once every 9,360,000 + 360 days = 9,360,360 days= 9,360,000 + 360 = 13 x 5 = 65 cycles x 144,000 + 360c= 26,000 x 360 + 6 x 60 = 468018 x 20.

These 9,360,360 days run through all of the assortment of Ceremonial Events, namely The Sunrise Ceremony & The Sunset Ceremony, along with The New Moon Ceremony & The Full Moon Ceremony, which holds great importance around the world, to all indigenous & non-indigenous people and tribes.

The 13th of December 2012 - is a New Moon and The 28th of December, 2012 - is a Full Moon which starts The Winter Cycle of 2012-2013.

The 21st of December 2012, is The End of The Macha Cycle of 9,360,000 Days and The 16th of December 2013 is The End of The Grand Cycle of Macha & The Grand Cycle of Pacha, which terminates at sunset on The 65th Ahua - 16 DEC 2013 which is the day before The Full Moon of 17th of December 2013.

These time honoured cycles of 5, 6, 13, 20, 60, 65, 260, 360, 360/361+5 & 144,000 cycles, all flow through The New Moon & The Full Moon, through The Black & The Blue Moon Cycles which were respected very highly by the day, record, time and wisdom keepers.

These were very important cycles which were related to a vast assortment of ancient practices of day, record, time and wisdom keeping, that are still utilised today by celebrating, creating and doing a specific Ceremony related to each of them.

The 13th Grand Cycle of Pacha iNTi begins -The 17th December 2013 at sunrise.

The12th Grand Cycle of Macha & Pacha ends - The 16th December 2013 at sunset aka The 65th Ahua.


susan lynne schwenger
- Dokis First Nation, Ontario, Canada
workingwonders@aol.com


28 OCT 2011 - The 26th Ahua - The Calleman Date

21 DEC 2012 - The 47th Ahua - The John Major Jenkins Date

21 DEC 2012 - The 47th Ahua - The Terrance McKenna Date

16 DEC 2013 - The 65th Ahua - The Susan Lynne Schwenger -Tony Bermanseder Date

17 DEC 2013 - Start of The 13th Grand Cycle of Pacha iNTi

was discovered by Tony Bermanseder & Susan Lynne Schwenger and can also be aligned to important bible codes
http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/...C39E-7270-4160-80DE-61A397C1A988&pageindex=84

. . .

The Main Code of The DRESDEN CODEX - MAYAN SUPER NUMBER 1366560 has been cracked & decoded BY Susan Lynne Schwenger & Tony Bermanseder which shows The Mother Earth consists of 12 levels.

THE MAGIC of 144 - 144 WHOLE NUMBER FACTORS of MAYAN DRESDEN CODEX SUPERNUMBER 1366560

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 26, 30, 32, 36, 39, 40, 45, 48, 52, 60, 65, 72, 73, 78, 80, 90, 96, 104, 117, 120, 130, 144,

146, 156, 160, 180, 195, 208, 219, 234, 240, 260, 288, 292, 312, 360, 365, 390, 416, 438, 468, 480, 520, 584, 585, 624, 657, 720, 730, 780, 876, 936, 949, 1040, 1095, 1168, 1170, 1248, 1314, 1440, 1460, 1560, 1752, 1872, 1898, 2080, 2190, 2336, 2340, 2628, 2847, 2920, 3120, 3285, 3504, 3744, 3796, 4380, 4680, 4745, 5256, 5694, 5840, 6240, 6570, 7008, 7592, 8541, 8760, 9360, 9490, 10512, 11388, 11680, 13140, 14235, 15184, 17082, 17520, 18720, 18980, 21024, 22776, 26280, 28470, 30368, 34164, 35040, 37960, 42705, 45552, 52560, 56940, 68328, 75920, 85410, 91104, 105120, 113880, 136656, 151840, 170820, 227760, 273312, 341640, 455520, 683280 and 1366560.

10OCT2008 - SUSAN LYNNE SCHWENGER 10/10/10

http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/...01A0&fid=F3D0C39E-7270-4160-80DE-61A397C1A988




susan lynne schwenger

 

The Satya Yuga, Treta Yuga, Dwapara Yuga, & Kali Yunga


– Light Age
– where the conditions on earth are such that only Truth, Peace, Love and Light.
This Yuga lasts for about 20,000 odd years.

2. Treta Yuga
– where humanity is given the option of choosing diluted value system.
This Yuga lasts for about 15,000 odd years.

3. Dwapara Yuga
– dilution of values and increase in options to choose negativity increases.
This Yuga lasts for about 10,000 odd years.
9,360,000/360=26000/10,000=2.6
93,600,000/360=260000/10000=26
93,360,360/360=26001/10000=2.6001

4. Kali Yuga
– wherein there is a lot of negativity around.
This Yuga, fortunately, lasts for about 5000 years.
9,360,000/360 = 26000/5000=5.2
93,600,000/360=260000/5000=52
9,360,360/360=26001/5000=5.2002
There are transition periods between each Yuga. Time-cycles do not stop.
Kali Yuga transits into Satya Yuga and the transition period is called Pralaya.
Pralaya means transformation, not destruction. It gets destructive when there is resistance
to accepting the new Time-cycle of Truth, Peace, Love and Light.

December 21st is not the end of the world but it marks the point in Time from when positive energies flood the entire earth.
Positive Energies always overwhelm negative energies.
Good eventually defeats bad. We are entering a new time-cycle when only Truth, Peace, Love and Light will prevail.
The Divine Qualities have to get manifested through human beings, each one of us.
There is no space of Darkness and negativity anywhere. Human beings cannot carry negativities in the Light Age.
Only those who chose to hold on to hate, violence, jealousy, greed, etc will have problems.

The earth responds to the negativities with earthquakes, tsunamis, etc.
The earth is moving on into the Light Age full of Peace.
This transition can be smooth, if we human beings spread Light and choose only positivity.

The Light Masters always try to reduce suffering.
They observe the response of humanity to the new Spiritual Energies that are spreading all over the earth.
Using their Freewill many human beings chose to hold on to negativities.
For those who chose Peace, Love and Light, will receive the benefits of the Light Age.

Do not be in fear. Surrender your negativities, your limitations, your pain of having suffered injustice, your longing for justice, etc to the Divine Energies and Light Masters. Divine Justice always happens. With Light nothing can be covered-up, everything surfaces.

Be at peace. Enjoy the Spiritual Shift on 21st December and beyond.

On 21st December a Spiritual Shift will happen for sure. Whether this will be accompanied by geo-physical changes or upheavals on earth remains to be seen. In any case, Peace will prevail.

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align this properly

 

INCAN CALENDAR - SUN STONE


Incan Calendar


Sun Stone
Sun Ston

The Pre-Columbian people of Mesoamerica kept track of time with calendars which had ritual and religious meaning.

While the Julian calendar came to the region when it was conquered by Spain in the 16th century and the Gregorian calendar is now in general use, in a few communities some Native American of the area still use the ancient count of days as well.

All of the Mesoamerican cultures shared a 260 day ritual calendar, for example, the Tzolkin of the Maya civilization.

In many Mesoamerican cultures people were given the name of the day in this cycle on which they were born (sometimes in addition to another name).

This 260 day cycle ran concurrently with a 365 day vague solar year. These two calendars came together every 52 years.

This 52 year cycle, sometimes called a Calendar round, was very significant.

Commonly elaborate rituals would be held at the end of each calendar round with all fires extinguished, old pots broken, and a new fire kindled symbolizing a fresh start.

There was a belief in cycles within time, for example that if a significant event happened on a certain day in the 52 year cycle, a similar or related event was likely to happen on the same day in the next 52 year cycle.

This 52 year cycle was by far the most important for most Mesoamericans with the apparent exception of the Maya elite until the end of the Classic Era, who gave equal importance to the Maya Long Count Calendar.

Other calendar cycles were also kept track of, such as a lunar calendar, as well as the cycles of other astronomical objects, most importanly Venus.

Wikipedia


Inca Calendar
Inca Calendar


So little is known about the calendar used by the Inca that one can hardly make a statement about it for which a contrary opinion cannot be found. Some workers in the field even assert that there was no formal calendar but only a simple count of lunations. Since no written language was used by the Inca, it is impossible to check contradictory statements made by early colonial chroniclers.

It is widely believed that the quipus of the Inca contain calendrical notations, but no satisfactory demonstration of this is possible.

A Quipu or khipu were recording devices used in the Inca Empire and its predecessor societies in the Andean region.A quipu usually consists of colored spun and plied thread from llama or alpaca hair or cotton cordswith numeric and other values encoded by knots in a base 10 positional system.

A Quipus may have just a few strands, but some have up to 2,000 strands. Most historians agree that the Inca had a calendar based on the observation of both the Sun and the Moon and their relationship to the stars.

Names of 12 lunar months are recorded, as well as their association with festivities of the agricultural cycle;
but there is no suggestion of the widespread use of a numerical system for counting time, although a quinary decimal system, with names of numbers at least up to 10,000, was used for other purposes.

The organization of work on the basis of six weeks of nine days suggests the further possibility of a count by triads that could result in a formal month of 30 days.

The smallest unit of this calendar was a numerical count of three days, which, interacting with a similar count of 10 days, formed a standard 30-day "month."

Every third year was made up of 13 moons, the others having 12. This formed a cycle of 37 moons, and 20 of these cycles made up a period of 60 years, which was subdivided into four parts and could be multiplied by 100.

A period of 20 months is also mentioned.

Although the account of the Chibcha system cannot be accepted at face value, if there is any truth in it at all it is suggestive of devices that may have been used also by the Inca.

In one account, it is said that the Inca god Viracocha established a year of 12 months, each beginning with the New Moon and that his successor, Pachacuti, finding confusion in regard to the year, built the sun towers in order to keep a check on the calendar.

Since Pachacuti reigned less than a century before the conquest, it may be that the contradictions and the megareness of information on the Inca calendar are due to the fact that the system was still in the process of being revised when the Spaniards first arrived.

Despite the uncertainties, further research has made it clear that at least at Cuzco, the capital city of the Inca, there was an official calendar of the sidereal-lunar type, based on the sidereal month of 27 1/3 days.

It consisted of 328 nights (12 27 1/3) and began on June 8/9, coinciding with the heliacal rising (the rising just after sunset) of the Pleiades; it ended on the first Full Moon after the June solstice (the winter solstice for the Southern Hemisphere).

This sidereal-lunar calendar fell short of the solar year by 37 days, which consequently were intercalated.

This intercalation, and thus the place of the sidereal-lunar within the solar year, was fixed by following the cycle of the Sun as it "strengthened" to summer (December) solstice and "weakened" afterward, and by noting a similar cycle in the visibility of the Pleiades.

Reference: Encyclopedia Britannica

 

Found this thread

It is not 2012- It is 2013

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 844347
Brazil
12/22/2009 12:24 AM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Maybe. but the real changes must happen before that date.

Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/22/2009 12:29 AM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Maybe. but the real changes must happen before that date.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 844347

Maybe? That is the real calendar there. Posted above.

I was pondering a few days ago, wonder if 2012, Dec. 21st, 2012 that is, is like Jan. 1st, 2000 and that the new beginning or final calendar ends happens a year later. So I thought, ok, it would be like Jan. 1st, 2001. A sure enough, I found the date of Dec. 16th, 2013 to be the one, when it reaches pinnacle at 13.0.1.0.0 and 13 Ahau. Then I did the math on the other dates with the Gregorian-Mayan Long Count calendar tool, and found that Dec. 16th, 2013 was the one and makes complete true sense.

I kind of wonder why Calleman never realized this and same goes with John Major Jenkins. Not too hard to realize and figure out.

Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/25/2009 05:01 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Maybe. but the real changes must happen before that date.

Maybe? That is the real calendar there. Posted above.

I was pondering a few days ago, wonder if 2012, Dec. 21st, 2012 that is, is like Jan. 1st, 2000 and that the new beginning or final calendar ends happens a year later. So I thought, ok, it would be like Jan. 1st, 2001. A sure enough, I found the date of Dec. 16th, 2013 to be the one, when it reaches pinnacle at 13.0.1.0.0 and 13 Ahau. Then I did the math on the other dates with the Gregorian-Mayan Long Count calendar tool, and found that Dec. 16th, 2013 was the one and makes complete true sense.

I kind of wonder why Calleman never realized this and same goes with John Major Jenkins. Not too hard to realize and figure out.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688




Anonymous Coward
User ID: 849346
India
12/25/2009 05:18 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Your assertion got me curious OP. Check this out. The year may be as you say, but the date could very well be March 21st, 2013.

[link to 2012rising.com]
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/25/2009 05:25 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Your assertion got me curious OP. Check this out. The year may be as you say, but the date could very well be March 21st, 2013.

[link to 2012rising.com]
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 849346

Interesting. Thanks for posting. Read and glanced through it but it is too much. Trying to make it all complicated with numerology and a lot of other things that might or might not add up. The Dec. 16th, 2013 date or 13 Ahau, seems a lot more simplified to me looking at the whole calendar.

Lucian Ilea
User ID: 849335
Romania
12/25/2009 05:26 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Dec 16th, 2013 13.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Sept. 13th, 1619 12.0.1.0.0 (1 Ahau)

June 10th, 1225 11.0.1.0.0 (2 Ahau)

March 8th, 831 10.0.1.0.0 (3 Ahau)

Dec. 3rd, 436 9.0.1.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Aug. 31st 42 8.0.1.0.0 (5 Ahau)

May 28th, -352 B.C. 7.0.1.0.0 (6 Ahau)

Feb. 23rd -746 B.C. 6.0.1.0.0 (7 Ahau)

Nov. 21st -1141 B.C. 5.0.1.0.0 (8 Ahau)

Aug. 18th -1535 B.C. 4.0.1.0.0 (9 Ahau)

May 16th -1929 B.C. 3.0.1.0.0 (10 Ahau)

Feb. 10th -2323 B.C. 2.0.1.0.0 (11 Ahau)

Nov. 8th -2718 B.C. 1.0.1.0.0 (12 Ahau)

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Aug. 11th, -3113 B.C. 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688

it is not the Tzolkin calendar which determines the cosmic cycles,but the Tun calendar,which lasts for 360 days
A tzolkin is a personal calendar which lasts for 260 days,the active period of the universal cycle
And besides,one cannot say that the end of God's Creation and his Universe will come exactly when on planet earth it will be the day of 13 Ahau,because Earth is not the center of all God's Creation or this universe
In Arvena Neo et in Arcadia Ego
I am an Atlantean living in Atlantis when it flew again

ZAL Moxe
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/25/2009 05:29 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

You can look at the "The prophecy of Chilam Balam" and completion concludes on a 13 Ahau date. Not 4 Ahau which Dec. 21st, 2012 is.

Just look at 12/21/2012 as New Year 2000, and think Dec. 16th, 2013 as New Year 2001, which in reality that was the start of the new millenium and the start of the 21st century.

Qualia
User ID: 839629
United States
12/25/2009 05:30 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Well! That's Just Great OP.
A whole extra year ....
Dandy.
suicide
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 844573

Not being insensitive, but... lolsign

Lucian Ilea
User ID: 849858
Romania
12/26/2009 02:37 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

You can look at the "The prophecy of Chilam Balam" and completion concludes on a 13 Ahau date. Not 4 Ahau which Dec. 21st, 2012 is.

Just look at 12/21/2012 as New Year 2000, and think Dec. 16th, 2013 as New Year 2001, which in reality that was the start of the new millenium and the start of the 21st century.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688

it does not matter when was the year 2001 in the gregorian calendar
the mayan calendar is based on real time,not the earth movement around the sun
capisci?
why dont you take 14th of july 2012 which is also 13 ahau?
In Arvena Neo et in Arcadia Ego
I am an Atlantean living in Atlantis when it flew again

ZAL Moxe
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 787869
United States
01/13/2010 04:26 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

You can look at the "The prophecy of Chilam Balam" and completion concludes on a 13 Ahau date. Not 4 Ahau which Dec. 21st, 2012 is.

Just look at 12/21/2012 as New Year 2000, and think Dec. 16th, 2013 as New Year 2001, which in reality that was the start of the new millenium and the start of the 21st century.

it does not matter when was the year 2001 in the gregorian calendar
the mayan calendar is based on real time,not the earth movement around the sun
capisci?
why dont you take 14th of july 2012 which is also 13 ahau?
Quoting: Lucian Ilea

It seems 13 Ahau is more significant than 4 Ahau which Dec. 21st, 2012 falls on, and the calendar also began on 4 Ahau as well, August, 13th, 3113 B.C.

13 obviously is the highest completion. Speaks for itself in the Mayan calendar. 13.0.0.0.0, so the real question is why is Ahau significant? Ahau is the Sun King or Lord and it also means completion. When you have 13 Ahau together, essentially that means double completion or highest completion.

13 Ahau also occurs when katuns (7200 days) complete after 13 cycles. If you subtract 7200 days from Dec. 16th, 2013 you get March 31st, 1994, which is 2 Ahau. Take then 7200 days x 13 katun cycles and it equates to 93,600 days. So subtract that from Dec. 16th, 2013 and it comes up to be Sept. 9th, 1757, which it falls on 13 Ahau! BINGO! It all lines up!

13 Ahau falls on Tuns (360 days) as well. 360 days x 13 tun cycles = 4680 days.
Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 4680 days = Feb. 22nd 2001. BAM! 13 Ahau!

Next is the winal in the Long Count, a winal is 20 days. 20 days x 13 winal cycles = 260 days. Thus, 260 days from Dec. 16th, 2013 = March 31st, 2013 which is 13 Ahau again!

[link to www.diagnosis2012.co.uk]

Now I got to thinking something else. Perhaps there is a 0 year in the Mayan Long Count Calendar.

The Mayan Calendar started on August 11th, 3113 B.C. but the calendar was in negative territory before that date, just like -1 BC in the Gregorian calendar. If the Long Count calendar started on that date and there was never a calendar before that, then we would not see it go into negative territory as you can see if you plug in a number into the calendar conversion tool, such as May 10th, 4000 B.C. You can see it is in negative territory, and there was a calendar then. It is just that year 0 began on - 3113 B.C. (Gregorian)

So again, we would not see it go into negative calendar years if the Mayan Calendar didn't exist before hand and just plopped on August, 11th, 3113 B.C. By plugging in dates before that, it would THEN say ERROR or nothing at all, but we can see that isn't the case. 0 year started on August 11th, 3113 B.C.

And just like the Gregorian/Julian calendar, there is no ZERO YEAR. The Mayan Long Count I believe can thus be considered in that exact same line of thinking.

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Aug. 11th, -3113 B.C. 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau)

So from August 11th, -3113 B.C. to August 5th, 3113 B.C. (360 days later) that was 0 year! It hit YEAR 1 on August 5th, -3112 B.C. Now you can almost disregard that ZERO YEAR, and the real Mayan calendar began on August 5th, -3112 B.C. on 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau). Just like thinking 1 AD

A little background:

Measuring
In some contexts, however, such as astronomy, it can be more convenient to regard time as a continuous variable, and label time periods as intervals on a continuous scale, that is, as measurements of the total time elapsed since the start of the era. According to this interpretation, elapsed time year 1 begins exactly one full year after the starting point, and the first year is year 0 (meaning that zero full years have elapsed since the starting point).

Maya historiography
Many Maya historians, but not all, assume (or used to assume) that a year 0 exists in the modern calendar and thus specify that the epoch of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar occurred in 3113 BC rather than 3114 BC. This would require the sequence 1 BC, 0, AD 1 as in early astronomical years.[13]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Third millennium

The third millennium of the Gregorian calendar began on 1 January 2001, rather than the popularly-celebrated 1 January 2000. This is a direct consequence of the absence of a year zero in the anno Domini era. Had there been a year zero, which might be considered part of the first millennium, then 1 January 2000 would indeed mark 2000 years since the year numbering datum and be the start of the third millennium.
This also applies to centuries. Thus, the 20th century began on 1 January 1901; and the 21st century began on 1 January 2001.

Above it describes how the 3rd millennium began on Jan 1st, 2001 rather than the popular thought/celebrated date of Jan. 1st, 2000 because of the direct consequence of the absence of the year ZERO. Now it can be thought of that Dec. 21st, 2012 is like Jan. 1st 2000, and Jan 1st, 2001 is like Dec. 16th, 2013.

Dec 16th, 2013 13.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Sept. 13th, 1619 12.0.1.0.0 (1 Ahau)

June 10th, 1225 11.0.1.0.0 (2 Ahau)

March 8th, 831 10.0.1.0.0 (3 Ahau)

Dec. 3rd, 436 9.0.1.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Aug. 31st 42 8.0.1.0.0 (5 Ahau)

May 28th, -352 B.C. 7.0.1.0.0 (6 Ahau)

Feb. 23rd -746 B.C. 6.0.1.0.0 (7 Ahau)

Nov. 21st -1141 B.C. 5.0.1.0.0 (8 Ahau)

Aug. 18th -1535 B.C. 4.0.1.0.0 (9 Ahau)

May 16th -1929 B.C. 3.0.1.0.0 (10 Ahau)

Feb. 10th -2323 B.C. 2.0.1.0.0 (11 Ahau)

Nov. 8th -2718 B.C. 1.0.1.0.0 (12 Ahau)

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau) (YEAR 1)

Aug. 11th, -3113 B.C. 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau) (ZERO YEAR)

You can see then when it starts on August 5th, -3112 B.C. (13 Ahau) and you go baktun by baktun (144,000 days each) it goes up the ladder perfectly. 13 Ahau, 12 Ahau, 11 Ahau, 10 Ahau, and so on, until it reaches 13 cycle baktun completion on Dec. 16th, 2013.

Now check this out and why Dec. 21st, 2012 doesn't add up. If you take 144,000 days (baktun) minus by Dec. 21st, 2012, you get Sept. 8th, 1618. On that day it falls on Mayan Day Count 8 Oc. Then from there, subtract 144,000 days by that day of Sept. 8th, 1618 and you get June 8th, 1224, which is day count 12 Ben and so on.

So you can see above there, subtracting 144,000 days from 12/21/12 doesn't line up accurately at all looking at Mayan Long Count days if you compared it to starting at Dec. 16th, 2013 and subtracting 144,000 days. (shown clearly above)

Jenkins and others say the calendar began on August, 11th, 3114 B.C. but looking at the calendar conversion tool, that isn't 0 day. 0.0.0.0.0 but actually August, 11th, 3113 B.C. is.

Revelator Stargate
User ID: 1507989
United States
12/22/2012 03:49 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Well being 3 years away from Dec. 21st, 2012 as of today, I have realized the calendar doesn't end on 12/21/12, but in 2013 instead. I have proof as well!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688

Crazy I wrote this exactly 3 years ago!! Amazing how time goes by so fast!

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/22/2012 03:49 PM
3ewewg

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It is not 2012- It is 2013

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 09:12 PM
It is not 2012- It is 2013

Well being 3 years away from Dec. 21st, 2012 as of today, I have realized the calendar doesn't end on 12/21/12, but in 2013 instead. I have proof as well!

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 846293
Argentina
12/21/2009 09:19 PM

Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013
whatever

Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 09:19 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

And PIN THIS once I reveal!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 846605
Ireland
12/21/2009 09:19 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

And PIN THIS once I reveal!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688

yOU AIN'T GOT NOTHING BITCH!
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 09:30 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

And PIN THIS once I reveal!

yOU AIN'T GOT NOTHING BITCH!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 846605

hmm makes me not want to share now

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 822837
United States
12/21/2009 09:35 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Well being 3 years away from Dec. 21st, 2012 as of today, I have realized the calendar doesn't end on 12/21/12, but in 2013 instead. I have proof as well!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688

I too suspect it may be march 22nd, 2013 exactly 33 years from building the Georgia Guidestones...

I am not saying I am sure, just suspect

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 846605
Ireland
12/21/2009 09:35 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

And PIN THIS once I reveal!

yOU AIN'T GOT NOTHING BITCH!

hmm makes me not want to share now
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688

That's cause you ain't got nothing!

Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 09:37 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Wanna to bet?

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 846605
Ireland
12/21/2009 09:41 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Wanna to bet?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688

How?
Via paypal?

Pffft... I still see NOTHING!
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 09:42 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Wanna to bet?

How?
Via paypal?

Pffft... I still see NOTHING!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 846605

Paypal! LOL! Naw, this is free of charge. But please relax. One moment please.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 846619
United States
12/21/2009 09:43 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Wanna to bet?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688

DO NOT DELAY 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHHH... go away!

Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 09:45 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Dec 16th, 2013 13.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Sept. 13th, 1619 12.0.1.0.0 (1 Ahau)

June 10th, 1225 11.0.1.0.0 (2 Ahau)

March 8th, 831 10.0.1.0.0 (3 Ahau)

Dec. 3rd, 436 9.0.1.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Aug. 31st 42 8.0.1.0.0 (5 Ahau)

May 28th, -352 B.C. 7.0.1.0.0 (6 Ahau)

Feb. 23rd -746 B.C. 6.0.1.0.0 (7 Ahau)

Nov. 21st -1141 B.C. 5.0.1.0.0 (8 Ahau)

Aug. 18th -1535 B.C. 4.0.1.0.0 (9 Ahau)

May 16th -1929 B.C. 3.0.1.0.0 (10 Ahau)

Feb. 10th -2323 B.C. 2.0.1.0.0 (11 Ahau)

Nov. 8th -2718 B.C. 1.0.1.0.0 (12 Ahau)

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Aug. 11th, -3113 B.C. 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 09:46 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

And it can thus be considered that Dec. 21st, 2012 is like Jan. 1st, 2000 and that Dec. 16th, 2013 is Jan. 1st. 2001

Popular culture misconception is that New Year 2000 was the start of the 21st century and the millennium but New Year 2001 actually marked the first year of these two distinctions. So essentially now then Dec. 16th, 2013 marks the start of the new beginning and not Dec. 21st, 2012!

Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 09:47 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Here is the calendar conversion tool.

[link to www.diagnosis2012.co.uk]

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 846605
Ireland
12/21/2009 09:48 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

I stand corrected, you have something.
Cool.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 09:49 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

I stand corrected, you have something.
Cool.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 846605

You want a little something more? This is the proof!

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 846605
Ireland
12/21/2009 09:51 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

I stand corrected, you have something.
Cool.

You want a little something more? This is the proof!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688

Yep, yep, can't argue with the numbers.
What else you got?

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 844573
Canada
12/21/2009 09:56 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Well! That's Just Great OP.
A whole extra year ....
Dandy.
suicide

Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 09:59 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

I stand corrected, you have something.
Cool.

You want a little something more? This is the proof!

Yep, yep, can't argue with the numbers.
What else you got?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 846605

Dec. 16th, 2013 (13 Ahau) 13.0.1.0.0

Katun- 144,000 days

At the end of the 13 Ahau Katun

Hunab-ku= Galactic Center

The prophecy of Chilam Balam, the singer, of Cabal-chen, 4 Mani. (below)

On <the day> 13 Ahau the katun will end in the time of the Itzá, in the time of /

Tancah <Mayapan>, lord. There is the sign of Hunab-ku 6 on high. The raised wooden standard shall come. It shall be displayed to the world, that the world may be enlightened, lord. There has been a beginning of strife, there has been a beginning of rivalry, when the priestly man shall come to bring the sign <of God> in time to come, lord. A quarter of a league, a league <away> he comes. You see the mut 9-bird surmounting the raised wooden standard. A new day shall dawn in the north, in the west.

Itzamná Kauil shall rise. Our lord comes, Itzá. Our elder brother comes, <oh> men of Tantun. Receive your guests, the bearded men, the men of the east, the bearers of the sign of God, lord. Good indeed is the word of God that comes to us. The day of our regeneration comes. You do not fear the world, Lord, you are the only God who created us. It is sufficient, then, that the word of God is good, lord. <He is> the guardian of our souls. He who receives him, who has truly believed, he will go to heaven with him. Nevertheless <at> the beginning were the two-day men.
Let us exalt his sign on high, let us exalt it <that we may gaze upon it today with the raised standard. Great is the discord that arises today. The First Tree of the World is restored; it is displayed to the world. This is the sign of Hunab-ku on high.Worship it, Itzá. You shall worship today his sign on high. You shall worship it furthermore with true good will, and you shall worship the true God today, lord. You shall be converted to the word of Hunab-ku, lord; it came from heaven. Oh it is he who speaks to you! Be admonished indeed, Itzá. They will correct their ways who receive him in their hearts in another katun, lord.
Believe in my word itself, I am Chilam Balam, and I have interpreted the entire message of the true God <of> the world; it is heard in every part of the world, lord, the word of God, the Lord of heaven and earth. Very good indeed is his word in heaven, lord.
He is ruler over us; he is the true God over our souls. /

But those to whom <the word> is brought, lord: thrice weighed down is their strength, the younger brothers native to the land. Their hearts are submerged <in sin>. Their hearts are dead in their carnal sins. They are frequent backsliders, the principal ones who spread <sin>, Nacxit Xuchit in the carnal sin of his companions, the two-day rulers.<They sit> crookedly on their thrones; crookedly in carnal sin. Two-day men they call them. For two days <endure> their seats, their cups, their hats. They are the unrestrained lewd ones of the day, the unrestrained lewd ones of the night, the rogues of the world. They twist their necks, they wink their eyes, they slaver at the mouth, at the rulers of the land, lord. Behold, when they come, there is no truth in the words of the foreigners to the land. They tell very solemn and mysterious things, the sons of the men of Seven-deserted-buildings, the offspring of the women of Seven-deserted-buildings, lord.

Who will be the prophet, who will be the priest who shall interpret truly the word of the book?

[link to sacred-texts.com]
oct 28/2011
User ID: 846669
Australia
12/21/2009 10:05 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

what's 0ct 28 2011 all about then, If I want the truth ill have to research myself.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 846678
United States
12/21/2009 10:18 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

its actually 2014....my AlenI pet told me.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 844573
Canada
12/21/2009 10:23 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

what's 0ct 28 2011 all about then, If I want the truth ill have to research myself.
Quoting: oct 28/2011 846669

I believe this is the end date based on the Mayan Model as put forth by Dr. Calleman, and as presented by Ian Xel Lungold. BOWMAN has a few threads on this.
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Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 10:44 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

what's 0ct 28 2011 all about then, If I want the truth ill have to research myself.

I believe this is the end date based on the Mayan Model as put forth by Dr. Calleman, and as presented by Ian Xel Lungold. BOWMAN has a few threads on this.
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 844573

This is the main reason why Calleman came up with the Oct. 28th, 2011 date, was because it fell on 13 Ahau.

Calleman stresses that 13 Ahau is so important which is why 4 Ahau on Dec. 21st, 2012 can't be the end date:

"Another equally compelling reason why December 21, 2012 cannot be the true date of completion of creation is that this day is 4 Ahau in the tzolkin count. Since the Long Count consists of exactly 7200 tzolkin rounds then the true end of creation must fall on a day that is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count so that the tzolkin rounds even out. If we want to find out what is the real date of ending of the creation cycles we must therefore look for a day around the year 2012, which is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count. The inscriptions in Palenque, written about a thousand years after the Long Count was devised in Izapa, seem to indicate that the date of relevance is October 28, 2011, which in fact is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count."

[link to www.calleman.com]

Well.......Dec. 16th, 2013 is also 13 Ahau

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 757124
United States
12/21/2009 10:49 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Well being 3 years away from Dec. 21st, 2012 as of today, I have realized the calendar doesn't end on 12/21/12, but in 2013 instead. I have proof as well!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688

You mean 2011 or 2014. I have better proof.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 757124
United States
12/21/2009 10:50 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Here is the calendar conversion tool.

[link to www.diagnosis2012.co.uk]
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688

Oh come on. We all know how the UK likes to make up numbers.

Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 10:51 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Well being 3 years away from Dec. 21st, 2012 as of today, I have realized the calendar doesn't end on 12/21/12, but in 2013 instead. I have proof as well!

You mean 2011 or 2014. I have better proof.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 757124

Use the calendar conversion tool and show me the proof. Doubt you have better, but please share.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 757124
United States
12/21/2009 10:52 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Well being 3 years away from Dec. 21st, 2012 as of today, I have realized the calendar doesn't end on 12/21/12, but in 2013 instead. I have proof as well!

You mean 2011 or 2014. I have better proof.

Use the calendar conversion tool and show me the proof. Doubt you have better, but please share.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688

Well, much like global warming, we have to subtract from the number given to get an true reading.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 824170
United States
12/21/2009 10:54 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

its actually 2014....my AlenI pet told me.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 846678

Actually, whatever your calendars indicate, whatever the Mayans do or don't do, etc., the date IS 12/21/2012.

The date is not because anybody got it wrong (or got it right)--the date is because of Divine Intervention.

The Divine One is not trying to hide the date because the plan is to let humanity know just how long they have to prepare, and many will use their freewill to not prepare.

You will find that as we get closer, more and more information on what really will be happening will be coming our, from sources on AND off world…

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 844573
Canada
12/21/2009 10:57 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

This is the main reason why Calleman came up with the Oct. 28th, 2011 date, was because it fell on 13 Ahau.

Calleman stresses that 13 Ahau is so important which is why 4 Ahau on Dec. 21st, 2012 can't be the end date:

"Another equally compelling reason why December 21, 2012 cannot be the true date of completion of creation is that this day is 4 Ahau in the tzolkin count. Since the Long Count consists of exactly 7200 tzolkin rounds then the true end of creation must fall on a day that is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count so that the tzolkin rounds even out. If we want to find out what is the real date of ending of the creation cycles we must therefore look for a day around the year 2012, which is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count. The inscriptions in Palenque, written about a thousand years after the Long Count was devised in Izapa, seem to indicate that the date of relevance is October 28, 2011, which in fact is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count."

[link to www.calleman.com]

Well.......Dec. 16th, 2013 is also 13 Ahau
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 833688

This is very interesting- apparently some of his peers/ colleagues disagreed- and heatedly- with the October date. Makes sense based on what you've described here. Thank you.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 844665
United States
12/21/2009 11:02 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

No, it is definitely 2012.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428255
Bulgaria
12/21/2009 11:52 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Well! That's Just Great OP.
A whole extra year ....
Dandy.
suicide
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 844573

xxxxxxx

Appears this girl or guy, was on the right track

they just didn't have enough mathematical formulas, to understand how to put it all together
this statement :

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Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 09:46 PM
Re: It is not 2012- It is 2013

And it can thus be considered that Dec. 21st, 2012 is like Jan. 1st, 2000 and that Dec. 16th, 2013 is Jan. 1st. 2001

Popular culture misconception is that New Year 2000 was the start of the 21st century and the millennium but New Year 2001 actually marked the first year of these two distinctions. So essentially now then Dec. 16th, 2013 marks the start of the new beginning and not Dec. 21st, 2012!
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SUSAN says;

AHUA dates mark ENDINGS not BEGINNINGS (as, the poster states)

16 DEC 2013 - marks The End of The 360 Day Pacha Cycle, and,

The End of The Grand Cycle of Macha (9,360,000=5x13x144000) & The Grand cycle of Pacha (6 x 60=360)

= 9,360,000 + 360= 9,360,360/360=26,0001 Ancient Years

while 17 DEC 2013 - marks The Start of The Grand Cycle of Pacha iNTi at sunrise - A FULL MOON - IMIX

So, although they were close in their assumptions of guessing the date, they certainly did NOT understand beginnings, nor endings

- and, not sure, what they are on about comparing 2012 to 2000 ? and, 2012 to 2001 ? (that makes NO sense)

See all of the correct mathematical equations, etc., on The 260 Kin Thread

The original discovery of The 13th Grand Cycle

- The Full Moon of 17 DEC 2013, occurred back in 1984, with Susan Lynne Schwenger & The Source,

when i was in my 26th year (still only 25).

Susan Lynne Schwenger

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ORIGINAL POSTER is:
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 833688
United States
12/21/2009 09:46 PM

- Revelator Stargate -- just copied their post ???

User ID: 1507989
United States
12/22/2012 03:49 PM

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The following is from: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2091882/pg5
(5 posts)

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Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Revelator Stargate
User ID: 1507989
United States
12/22/2012 07:29 PM
-SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012




(Freaking weird how he says, "so you can stock up on snacks and beverages" Do the elites know something we don't?)

The Mayan Long Count begun on 0 day or 0.0.0.0.0 which was August 11th, -3113 (astronomical counting).

Now some feel the Long Count had not only a 0 day but also a zero year. August 11th, -3113 to August 5th, -3112 was that zero year. from 0.0.0.0.0 to 0.0.1.0.0. August 6th, -3112 would be 0.0.1.0.1

Now perhaps the calendar begun counting at that 1 Year. Not at 0, but at Year 1. Just like how the Gregorian calendar begins at 1 AD. You logically don't count starting at 0, but at 1. So it can be consider this way....

The 3rd millennium begun on Jan. 1st, 2000 if only the Gregorian calendar started at 0, but it doesn't, it begins at 1 AD, which means technically the start of the 3rd millennium began on Jan. 1st, 2001.

Could this line of thinking than apply to the Dec. 21st, 2012 date? This essentially could be like thinking Jan. 1st, 2000 was the start of the new millennium when technically it was Jan. 1st, 2001 because the calendar started at 1.

This means if there was a 0 year in the Long Count, which looks like that was the case, and if the calendar didn't begin counting at 0 but instead of Year 1, then the Maya Long Count calendar technically ends a year later or 1 Tun later (360 days) from Dec. 21st, 2012. That date is Dec. 16th, 2013, which falls on 13 Ahau.

Here is the proof from my research that the true end date of the Mayan calendar is technically about a year off.

Dec 16th, 2013 13.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Sept. 13th, 1619 12.0.1.0.0 (1 Ahau)

June 10th, 1225 11.0.1.0.0 (2 Ahau)

March 8th, 831 10.0.1.0.0 (3 Ahau)

Dec. 3rd, 436 9.0.1.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Aug. 31st 42 8.0.1.0.0 (5 Ahau)

May 28th, -352 B.C. 7.0.1.0.0 (6 Ahau)

Feb. 23rd -746 B.C. 6.0.1.0.0 (7 Ahau)

Nov. 21st -1141 B.C. 5.0.1.0.0 (8 Ahau)

Aug. 18th -1535 B.C. 4.0.1.0.0 (9 Ahau)

May 16th -1929 B.C. 3.0.1.0.0 (10 Ahau)

Feb. 10th -2323 B.C. 2.0.1.0.0 (11 Ahau)

Nov. 8th -2718 B.C. 1.0.1.0.0 (12 Ahau)

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Aug. 11th, -3113 B.C. 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau)

And it can thus be considered that Dec. 21st, 2012 is like Jan. 1st, 2000 and that Dec. 16th, 2013 is Jan. 1st. 2001

Popular culture misconception is that New Year 2000 was the start of the 21st century and the millennium but New Year 2001 actually marked the first year of these two distinctions. So essentially now then Dec. 16th, 2013 marks the start of the new beginning and not Dec. 21st, 2012!

Again, we don't start counting our Gregorian calendar at year 0 right???? It goes like -2 B.C, 1 B.C. 1 A.D, 2 A.D. and so on.

We skip over that zero year. There is no zero year. So why did these Mayan calendar researchers count zero year, thus coming up with the end date of Dec. 21st or 23rd, 2012? It makes no sense! How could they be so stupid not to have figured this out? We have all been duped as to what the real and true Mayan calendar end date is.

ANY QUESTIONS?????

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3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
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12/22/2012 07:32 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Done with the Mayan calendar bull. Move on

Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/22/2012 07:34 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Done with the Mayan calendar bull. Move on
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30669939

Read and understand this. This could be momenumental if I am correct. It makes complete sense if you can follow what I am trying to say here.

If anyone can disprove me on my theory, than I will be happy to admit I am wrong with it.

If you can't disprove me, then this could be the TRUE Mayan Calendar so called "end date" and new beginning.

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/22/2012 07:36 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I came up with this theory exactly 3 years ago.

Thread: It is not 2012- It is 2013

I just remembered about it and wanted to dig this up again.

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/22/2012 07:49 PM

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
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12/22/2012 07:39 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

And then it will start over, like any calendar. No doom, nothing will happen.
Quoting: Dr. Super Bowl Dave

Maybe so. The real end date that I have or the so called Armageddon or Apocalpyse date is April 4th, 2015 (Blood Red Moon) Passover day.

Thread: The 2015 Blood Red Moon Passover (ARMAGEDDON) Esoteric Time Code

I am very confident in that theory for many reasons.

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3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/22/2012 08:03 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

This is the main reason why Calleman came up with the Oct. 28th, 2011 date, was because it fell on 13 Ahau.

Calleman stresses that 13 Ahau is so important which is why 4 Ahau on Dec. 21st, 2012 can't be the end date:

"Another equally compelling reason why December 21, 2012 cannot be the true date of completion of creation is that this day is 4 Ahau in the tzolkin count. Since the Long Count consists of exactly 7200 tzolkin rounds then the true end of creation must fall on a day that is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count so that the tzolkin rounds even out. If we want to find out what is the real date of ending of the creation cycles we must therefore look for a day around the year 2012, which is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count. The inscriptions in Palenque, written about a thousand years after the Long Count was devised in Izapa, seem to indicate that the date of relevance is October 28, 2011, which in fact is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count."

[link to www.calleman.com]

Well.......Dec. 16th, 2013 is also 13 Ahau

Calleman's theory is correct, he is just got the wrong 13 Ahau date!

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3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/22/2012 08:18 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Very interesting this was posted just recently correlating with my date of Dec. 16th, 2013.

[link to www.thuban.spruz.com]

great scott

3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 8691221
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12/22/2012 08:24 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I lov how the supposed logic comes in AFTER nothing has happened. Nobody was spouting this shit before.
Revelator Stargate (OP)

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12/22/2012 08:53 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I lov how the supposed logic comes in AFTER nothing has happened. Nobody was spouting this shit before.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8691221

If you could read, I came up with this theory exactly 3 years ago.

norespect



3ewewg

xxxxxxx

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12/22/2012 09:00 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Schwenger, biggest discovery in 13 centuries, related to Mayan calendars

Susan Lynne “Serafina” SCHWENGER aka Seraf’ina
discovers Mayan Elders End Time of The 12th Grand Cycle,

13.0.1.0.0=13 Ahau 18 Mac=13th MM

and, The start of The 13th grand cycle 17 DEC 2013

Susan’s discovery relates to a greater Mayan calendar synchronized to Tzolkin of 260 day counts
and the Calendar Round of the Haab of 365 days synchronized to the Tzolkin.

These are the lowest number of days, which factor both 260 and 365 and exactly 52 Haab or Mayan years.

These 52 years so began 52 = 13 x 4 Haab before December 16th, 2013
or precisely 73 Tzolkins before December 16th, 2013;
which is a 13 Ahau date as 13.0.1.0.0.

The significance so becomes the matching of two 13 Ahau Dates
in the following details of subtracting 52 Haab,

Read more here:

[link to www.bluestarprophecy.com]

She discovered this back in 2010 it is said. Or was it me that discovered it towards the end of 2009 and she just saw and took my research on GLP? LOL

Thread: It is not 2012- It is 2013

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/22/2012 09:01 PM

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
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12/22/2012 09:08 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I just read this!

"THE ANSWER to THE CALENDAR MYSTERY has been found

there is ONLY one date that satisfies all old ancient calenders
- and, calendar cycles

(except The Gregorian Calander which wasn't created until 1572).

The Aztec Tonalphonualli Calendar (260=13x20),
The Haab Calendar (360 +5),
The Tzolkin Calendar (260),
The Cherokee Calendar (260),
The First Nations Calendar (360), now, it is in sync with The 365/366 Gregorian Calendar
The Metis Calendar (360), now it is in sync with The 365/366 Gregorian Calendar
The Native American Calendar (360), now it is in sync with The 365/366 Gregorian Calendar

The Ancient Year Calendar(360), which operated in a full circle of 360 days (sunrise, and, sunsets)
and, it has a 1 degree per day advancement aka precessional cycle,
and,it is the true length of a real year.
(1 x 360=360=A full circle or calendar round).

THE 47th Ahua of a sequence of 65 ahua dates is 21 DEC 2012,
The end of Macha (female) cycle- and, 22 Dec 2012 is The Start of Pacha (male)
- and, it ends 360 days later...
22 DEC 2012 to 16 DEC 2013 - is 360 days - the correct length of THE ANCIENT YEAR

- The 16 DEC 2013 is The 65th Ahua in a cycle of 65,
AND, 9,360,360=65x144,000+6 cycles x 60 = 9,360,360
AND, 9,360,000/360 =26,000 Years to The Grand Cycle
360/360=1 Year

- all known ancient & old calendars can be calibrated SUCCESSFULLY to this date.

There are also Old Calenders of The Cree, Ojibway-Ojibwa-Ojibwe, Blackfeet, Ottawa Alconquin, etc.,
that are also 260 Days in length, and, align to Full Moon Cycles.

The Current Grand Cycle, is The 12th Grand Cycle of Macha & Pacha which ends 16 DEC 2013 at sunset.

The 13th Grand Cycle of Pacha iNTi starts 17 DEC 2013 at sunrise,
on the date of The Full Moon,
that starts The Winter Cycle on The Ancient Calendar
which is still used by First Nation - Metis- Native Americans
related to their New Moon and Full Moon Ceremony & Cycles
utilized for an assortment of purposes, and, reasons for their Ceremonial Practices.

This is the one calendar, that most people forgot about
- this is very likely because the dates on it, shift with The Gregorian Calendar,
although, the appearances of new, and, of full moon happens right on time.
Also, it is only on The Gregorian Calendar that 24 hrs in a day exists,
in the ancient calendar, the length of a day, shifted daily,
as, well as, the time of the sunrise, and, the sunset shifts daily.

The Ancient Calendar flows through 6 cycles of 60 or 360 days
- it is, always to be started in The Last Full Moon of December, which
is called The Winter Cycle.

The six cycles are known as: Winter, Spring, Break Up, Summer, Fall & Freeze Up,
and, the 6 cycles are spaced 60 days apart.

The Grand Cycle of Pacha iNTi does NOT begin until The 17th of December, 2013 at sunrise.

This formula can be proven mathematically & scientifically
- through full, new, black, and, blue moon phases using cosmic time.

Discovered by Susan Lynne Schwenger & Tony Bermanseder in May 2010

This is THE RIGHT ANSWER !!!"

Discovered in May of 2010? Looks like I discovered it before them. Either they saw and took my research on GLP or they figured this out in a completely different way by themselves. In either case, very interesting.

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/22/2012 09:09 PM

3ewewg
Libra II
User ID: 1001450
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12/22/2012 09:19 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The Mayan calendar is just like any other. When it ends it starts where it ended. You know, cycles and shit and fuck-ups.

Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
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12/22/2012 09:23 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The Mayan calendar is just like any other. When it ends it starts where it ended. You know, cycles and shit and fuck-ups.
Quoting: Libra II 1001450

Lets have some real comments here and try to debunk my theory or ask any questions. Not juvenile comments.

Again, why would these Mayan calendar researchers include a year zero for their calculations to come up with the so called end date of Dec. 21st or 23rd, 2012? It makes no sense at all. I mean this is basic type of logic here.

It would be like taking the Gregorian calendar and including a year zero to it. i.e. -2 B.C. -1 B.C. 0 Year 1 A.D. 2 A.D. etc.

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3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/22/2012 09:44 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

For the calendar to end of 4 Ahau or Dec. 21st, 2012 never made any sense to me which is why I was intrigued with Ian Lungold and Carl Calleman's theories.

13 Ahau is the highest form of completion in regards to the Mayan Calendar and when you combined that with the 13th baktun, you get the highest form of calendar completion, interlocking all the gears in the Mayan cycle. Thus, Dec. 16th, 2013 is 13 Baktun and 13 Ahau. The strongest possible completion you can possibly get!

3ewewg
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12/22/2012 09:46 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I came up with this theory exactly 3 years ago.

Thread: It is not 2012- It is 2013

I just remembered about it and wanted to dig this up again.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Well, I shall leave you to your theory OP.

As for me, I intend to get on with my life, all this worry about the end of the world or moving into a different dimension/age/time is wasting energy that could be better spent on living life at the moment.

Lotus

Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares - Hebrews 13:2

One Crowded hour of glorious life, is worth an age without a name - Thomas Osbert Mordaunt

xxxxxxx

Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I just read this! Very intriguing!!!

spock

[link to www.exkavier.com]




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3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
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12/22/2012 09:50 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I came up with this theory exactly 3 years ago.

Thread: It is not 2012- It is 2013

I just remembered about it and wanted to dig this up again.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Well, I shall leave you to your theory OP.

As for me, I intend to get on with my life, all this worry about the end of the world or moving into a different dimension/age/time is wasting energy that could be better spent on living life at the moment.
Quoting: Lotus Flower

Oh I totally agree with you. But if you want to read the theory and try to understand it, then go for it.

Although I think my 2015 Blood Red Moon Passover theory could be possibly one of the most important theories that has ever been posted on GLP or the Internet in general.

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/22/2012 09:51 PM

3ewewg
Neupsychal
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12/22/2012 10:23 PM Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I came up with this theory exactly 3 years ago.

Thread: It is not 2012- It is 2013

I just remembered about it and wanted to dig this up again.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Well, I shall leave you to your theory OP.

As for me, I intend to get on with my life, all this worry about the end of the world or moving into a different dimension/age/time is wasting energy that could be better spent on living life at the moment.
Quoting: Lotus Flower

Oh I totally agree with you. But if you want to read the theory and try to understand it, then go for it.

Although I think my 2015 Blood Red Moon Passover theory could be possibly one of the most important theories that has ever been posted on GLP or the Internet in general.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

I understand your theory RS...i GET the point of not counting '0' completely.
As ever, time will unfold and reveal
I've never been able to wrap my head around ancient calenders but i admire those, like yourself that have actually immersed yourself in understanding them and calculating them, outside of the Gregorian 'time mindset'.

Well done with your work - i hope it's revealing. I've personally found the past 2 years to be extremely evolutionary...and no doubt will continue to revel in thie unfolding that is occuring.

I find it amazing that many people, especially on here, expected over the course of 1 day, for the world to change forever.

Like all processed...there's the a beginning , middle and end.

Please continue posting your findings as there are some of us here interested in hearing theories based on personal calculations - far more intriguing than 'i heard from..' predictions!

Merriest Christmas to you RS!
afro

hf
Anonymous Coward
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12/22/2012 10:25 PM Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

'scuse my typo's - this new keyboard is a nightmare!

Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/22/2012 10:38 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

'scuse my typo's - this new keyboard is a nightmare!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30667037

LOL no problem. Thanks for your commment. I appreciate it. Merry Christmas to you too! Ireland has always been a place that I would love to visit.

3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
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12/22/2012 10:45 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

You'd love it - truth seekers are especially welcome

xxxxxxx

Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I can clearly show you why the Mayan Calendar Long Count doesn't end or end its cycle on December 21st, 2012 or December 23rd, 2012. There are three gears in the Mayan calendar. The Long Count, The Haab, and the Tzolkin. All the gears need to be aligned and interlocked and it clearly doesn't for Dec. 21st or 23rd, 2012, but the three calendar gears perfectly interlock with each other on Dec. 16th, 2013. Care for me to explain more why this is the case?

3ewewg
nli
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12/23/2012 04:08 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I came up with this theory exactly 3 years ago.

Thread: It is not 2012- It is 2013

I just remembered about it and wanted to dig this up again.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate
Well, I shall leave you to your theory OP.

As for me, I intend to get on with my life, all this worry about the end of the world or moving into a different dimension/age/time is wasting energy that could be better spent on living life at the moment.
Quoting: Lotus Flower

Oh I totally agree with you. But if you want to read the theory and try to understand it, then go for it.

Although I think my 2015 Blood Red Moon Passover theory could be possibly one of the most important theories that has ever been posted on GLP or the Internet in general.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

I agree, most impressive reasearch..here is the link again for those who have eyes to see (and a brain to work out the mathematics). Thread: The 2015 Blood Red Moon Passover (ARMAGEDDON) Esoteric Time Code

Alas I see no takers here..instead I see people who are falling for 'the boy who cried wolf' scenario. Your call, their plan.

On topic, I agree with you calculations for the Mayan long count (Gregorian date). Around the same time, comet ISON makes its perihelion around the Sun.

Great work OP, keep posting your grand efforts as the research work and correlations are second to none..BRAVO!

Anonymous Coward
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12/23/2012 12:52 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The Mayan Long Count begun on 0 day or 0.0.0.0.0 which was August 11th, -3113 (astronomical counting). You can see that in the Maya Long Count to Gregorian conversion link below.

Now some feel the Long Count had not only a 0 day but also a zero year. Between August 11th, -3113 to August 5th, -3112 was that zero year. from 0.0.0.0.0 to 0.0.1.0.0. August 6th, -3112 would be 0.0.1.0.1

Now perhaps the calendar begun counting at that 1 Year. Not at 0, but at Year 1. Just like how the Gregorian calendar begins at 1 AD. You logically don't count starting at 0, but at 1. So it can be consider this way....

The 3rd millennium begun on Jan. 1st, 2000 if only the Gregorian calendar started at 0, but it doesn't, it begins at 1 AD, which means technically the start of the 3rd millennium began on Jan. 1st, 2001.

Could this line of thinking than apply to the Dec. 21st, 2012 date? This essentially could be like thinking Jan. 1st, 2000 was the start of the new millennium when technically it was Jan. 1st, 2001 because the calendar started at 1.

This means if there was a 0 year in the Long Count, which looks like that was the case, and if the calendar didn't begin counting at 0 but instead of Year 1, then the Maya Long Count calendar technically ends a year later or 1 Tun later (360 days) from Dec. 21st, 2012. That date is Dec. 16th, 2013, which falls on 13 Ahau.

Here is the proof from my research that the true end date of the Mayan calendar is technically about a year off.

Dec 16th, 2013 13.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Sept. 13th, 1619 12.0.1.0.0 (1 Ahau)

June 10th, 1225 11.0.1.0.0 (2 Ahau)

March 8th, 831 10.0.1.0.0 (3 Ahau)

Dec. 3rd, 436 9.0.1.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Aug. 31st 42 8.0.1.0.0 (5 Ahau)

May 28th, -352 B.C. 7.0.1.0.0 (6 Ahau)

Feb. 23rd -746 B.C. 6.0.1.0.0 (7 Ahau)

Nov. 21st -1141 B.C. 5.0.1.0.0 (8 Ahau)

Aug. 18th -1535 B.C. 4.0.1.0.0 (9 Ahau)

May 16th -1929 B.C. 3.0.1.0.0 (10 Ahau)

Feb. 10th -2323 B.C. 2.0.1.0.0 (11 Ahau)

Nov. 8th -2718 B.C. 1.0.1.0.0 (12 Ahau)

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Aug. 11th, -3113 B.C. 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau)

And it can thus be considered that Dec. 21st, 2012 is like Jan. 1st, 2000 and that Dec. 16th, 2013 is Jan. 1st. 2001

Popular culture misconception is that New Year 2000 was the start of the 21st century and the millennium but New Year 2001 actually marked the first year of these two distinctions. So essentially now then Dec. 16th, 2013 marks the start of the new beginning and not Dec. 21st, 2012!

Again, we don't start counting our Gregorian calendar at year 0 right???? It goes like -2 B.C, 1 B.C. 1 A.D, 2 A.D. and so on.

We skip over that zero year. There is no zero year. So why did these Mayan calendar researchers count zero year, thus coming up with the end date of Dec. 21st or 23rd, 2012? It makes no sense! How could they be so stupid not to have figured this out? We have all been duped as to what the real and true Mayan calendar end date is.

ANY QUESTIONS?????
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Oh dear, you really don't understand do you? The big deal about the end date is that it renews the Katun. The name of the Katun derives from the name of the day it starts on, so if you are saying that the end date is on a day named 13 Ahau, you are denying the veracity of the date that the Mayans wrote which is 4 Ahau 3 Kankin. Give it up. The cycle ended in 1988. Nothing bad was supposed to happen. The ceremony was held, the stone was erected. Time goes on and the days continue to count. Leave our culture and knowledge out of your delusions of doom and/or ascension.

Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
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12/23/2012 01:13 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The Mayan Long Count begun on 0 day or 0.0.0.0.0 which was August 11th, -3113 (astronomical counting). You can see that in the Maya Long Count to Gregorian conversion link below.

Now some feel the Long Count had not only a 0 day but also a zero year. Between August 11th, -3113 to August 5th, -3112 was that zero year. from 0.0.0.0.0 to 0.0.1.0.0. August 6th, -3112 would be 0.0.1.0.1

Now perhaps the calendar begun counting at that 1 Year. Not at 0, but at Year 1. Just like how the Gregorian calendar begins at 1 AD. You logically don't count starting at 0, but at 1. So it can be consider this way....

The 3rd millennium begun on Jan. 1st, 2000 if only the Gregorian calendar started at 0, but it doesn't, it begins at 1 AD, which means technically the start of the 3rd millennium began on Jan. 1st, 2001.

Could this line of thinking than apply to the Dec. 21st, 2012 date? This essentially could be like thinking Jan. 1st, 2000 was the start of the new millennium when technically it was Jan. 1st, 2001 because the calendar started at 1.

This means if there was a 0 year in the Long Count, which looks like that was the case, and if the calendar didn't begin counting at 0 but instead of Year 1, then the Maya Long Count calendar technically ends a year later or 1 Tun later (360 days) from Dec. 21st, 2012. That date is Dec. 16th, 2013, which falls on 13 Ahau.

Here is the proof from my research that the true end date of the Mayan calendar is technically about a year off.

Dec 16th, 2013 13.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Sept. 13th, 1619 12.0.1.0.0 (1 Ahau)

June 10th, 1225 11.0.1.0.0 (2 Ahau)

March 8th, 831 10.0.1.0.0 (3 Ahau)

Dec. 3rd, 436 9.0.1.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Aug. 31st 42 8.0.1.0.0 (5 Ahau)

May 28th, -352 B.C. 7.0.1.0.0 (6 Ahau)

Feb. 23rd -746 B.C. 6.0.1.0.0 (7 Ahau)

Nov. 21st -1141 B.C. 5.0.1.0.0 (8 Ahau)

Aug. 18th -1535 B.C. 4.0.1.0.0 (9 Ahau)

May 16th -1929 B.C. 3.0.1.0.0 (10 Ahau)

Feb. 10th -2323 B.C. 2.0.1.0.0 (11 Ahau)

Nov. 8th -2718 B.C. 1.0.1.0.0 (12 Ahau)

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Aug. 11th, -3113 B.C. 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau)

And it can thus be considered that Dec. 21st, 2012 is like Jan. 1st, 2000 and that Dec. 16th, 2013 is Jan. 1st. 2001

Popular culture misconception is that New Year 2000 was the start of the 21st century and the millennium but New Year 2001 actually marked the first year of these two distinctions. So essentially now then Dec. 16th, 2013 marks the start of the new beginning and not Dec. 21st, 2012!

Again, we don't start counting our Gregorian calendar at year 0 right???? It goes like -2 B.C, 1 B.C. 1 A.D, 2 A.D. and so on.

We skip over that zero year. There is no zero year. So why did these Mayan calendar researchers count zero year, thus coming up with the end date of Dec. 21st or 23rd, 2012? It makes no sense! How could they be so stupid not to have figured this out? We have all been duped as to what the real and true Mayan calendar end date is.

ANY QUESTIONS?????
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Oh dear, you really don't understand do you? The big deal about the end date is that it renews the Katun. The name of the Katun derives from the name of the day it starts on, so if you are saying that the end date is on a day named 13 Ahau, you are denying the veracity of the date that the Mayans wrote which is 4 Ahau 3 Kankin. Give it up. The cycle ended in 1988. Nothing bad was supposed to happen. The ceremony was held, the stone was erected. Time goes on and the days continue to count. Leave our culture and knowledge out of your delusions of doom and/or ascension.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Um what?? The cycle ended in 1988? I have never heard that anywhere. Take your stupid spam elsewhere as apparently you don't have a brain to even figure out what I wrote.

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)

User ID: 1507989
United States
12/23/2012 01:23 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I came up with this theory exactly 3 years ago.

Thread: It is not 2012- It is 2013

I just remembered about it and wanted to dig this up again.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Well, I shall leave you to your theory OP.

As for me, I intend to get on with my life, all this worry about the end of the world or moving into a different dimension/age/time is wasting energy that could be better spent on living life at the moment.
Quoting: Lotus Flower

Oh I totally agree with you. But if you want to read the theory and try to understand it, then go for it.

Although I think my 2015 Blood Red Moon Passover theory could be possibly one of the most important theories that has ever been posted on GLP or the Internet in general.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

I agree, most impressive reasearch..here is the link again for those who have eyes to see (and a brain to work out the mathematics). Thread: The 2015 Blood Red Moon Passover (ARMAGEDDON) Esoteric Time Code

Alas I see no takers here..instead I see people who are falling for 'the boy who cried wolf' scenario. Your call, their plan.

On topic, I agree with you calculations for the Mayan long count (Gregorian date). Around the same time, comet ISON makes its perihelion around the Sun.

Great work OP, keep posting your grand efforts as the research work and correlations are second to none..BRAVO!
Quoting: nli 30628067

Thanks so much! Happy Holidays to you! And a big thank you for letting me know about Comet ISON! This unlocks a lot of possible very important things related to the Mayan Calendar ending and cycling back over on Dec. 16th, 2013.

I am glad you have the eyes, the brain (IQ) and took the time to really read over my research and understand it. Apparently not many do. LOL

Ok, you got me thinking about this Comet ISON and this could be HUGE! More research to come related to this.

Again a big thank you for making me aware of this!

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3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
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12/23/2012 01:39 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

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Wow man! This shit could be real. This comet passes right around Dec. 16th, 2013.

great scott

COMET ELENIN could have been the deception and this could be the REAL DEAL!



Sun-Grazing Comets As Triggers For Electromagnetic Armageddon

"Large sun-grazing comets could bring on the sort of global electronics meltdown usually associated with electromagnetic pulse weapons or a full-scale nuclear exchange.

Or so says David Eichler, lead author of a forthcoming Astrophysical Journal Letters paper positing that a sun-grazing comet roughly the size of Hale-Bopp (with a nucleus some 30 kms in diameter), could trigger cosmic ray-generating shockwaves large enough to initiate a global electromagnetic Armageddon."

[link to www.forbes.com]





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3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 26823460
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12/23/2012 02:23 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

OP This past week I was listening to a man named Thomas Hughes being interviewed by Lisa Harrison on her radio show. He has some especial powers. Anyway, he said that the date was 13/13/13. Now that does not exist right? Yes, it does. The vatican changed the calendar and the names of the months, and the amount of days in each month. The old calendar was based on the moon which means that each month has 28 days and there were 13 months. So if you do the math and you make each month only have 28 days then there would be 13 months instead of 12. When I made the calculation I came up with December 15, 2013. So it appears that you might be correct. 1 day off...close enough for government work! Anyway this guy is pretty cool. Just thought I let you know.
Revelator Stargate (OP)

User ID: 1507989
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12/23/2012 02:27 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

OP This past week I was listening to a man named Thomas Hughes being interviewed by Lisa Harrison on her radio show. He has some especial powers. Anyway, he said that the date was 13/13/13. Now that does not exist right? Yes, it does. The vatican changed the calendar and the names of the months, and the amount of days in each month. The old calendar was based on the moon which means that each month has 28 days and there were 13 months. So if you do the math and you make each month only have 28 days then there would be 13 months instead of 12. When I made the calculation I came up with December 15, 2013. So it appears that you might be correct. 1 day off...close enough for government work! Anyway this guy is pretty cool. Just thought I let you know.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26823460

Interesting, very interesting! That would explain why Ophiuchus is missing. That is the 13th month!

And thanks! Yeah, I know I am right!

Nobody can debunk my theory. It is December 16th, 2013 that the Long Count Mayan calendar ends and starts over again on December 17th, 2013.

How stupid could these Mayan calendar researchers have been when figuring out the Long calendar end date? It is basic common logic. They included a year 0 in their calculations, which should not have been done!

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)

User ID: 1507989
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12/23/2012 02:32 PM

Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Thread: ALERT ***** C/2012 S1 (ISON) could be the greatest Comet ever seen by Mankind !!!!

3ewewg

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Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012
Coming in 2013: The Comet of the Century?

Read more: [link to science.time.com]
This is all adding up to the end date of the Mayan Long Count calendar onDec. 16th, 2013.

The puzzle is coming together and I have much more to add to this later!

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/23/2012 02:37 PM

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
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12/23/2012 03:22 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Hmmm!!!



"Dr. Mike Baillie at the Queen’s University in Belfast, Ireland has made a very interesting discovery. He noticed that peaks in ammonium and nitrate in the ice core record, signatures of comet impacts with Earth, occur on or near baktun endings in the Mayan calendar."

[link to therealmayanprophecies.com]

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
United States
12/23/2012 03:49 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Could comet ISON be the return of Quetzalcotal?

"Quetzalcoatl, “The Feathered Serpent”, is the name of an important Mesoamerican deity whose origins can be traced back to the city of Teotihuacan, and whose worshipping reached its maximum during the Postclassic period, when several cultures--the Maya, Toltecs, Aztecs and other polities in Central Mexico--show evidence of the cult."

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"The figure of Quetzalcoatl is represented in many different ways according to different epochs and Mesoamerican cultures. He is both represented in his non-human form, as a feathered serpent, with plumage along its body and around the head, as well as in his human form, especially among the Aztecs and in Colonial codices. In his human aspect, he is often depicted in dark color with a red beak, symbol of Ehecatl, the wind god, and with a cut shell as a pendant, symbol of Venus. In many images he is depicted wearing a plumed headdress and holding a plumed shield."

[link to archaeology.about.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Quetzalcoatl is known as the "feathered serpent".

This comet ISON will pass closest to the Sun next year around December 16th, 2013, when the Sun is in constellation Ophiucus, known as the Serpent-bearer.

wtqgdds

It has been said that the "feathered serpent" is associated with comets!

das

"Likewise, they also referred to a comet as “a star that smoked.” Therefore we see Venus and thus Quetzalcoatl were, indeed, associated with comets.

The other descriptions of Quetzalcoatl were that he arrived from the east, was bearded and wore a long robe, eventually departed and promised to return in the future. In Europe comets were often referred to as “bearded stars” and modern astronomers also use the term “bearded” in reference to comets:

“…when the comet is east of the sun, and moves from him, it is said to be bearded, because the light precedes it in the manner of a beard…”

It was also common to describe comets and their long tails as stars wearing long robes. For instance, on a print by Friedrick Madeweis from 1681 that documented the path of Kirch’s Comet across the sky it included a reference to the “long trailing robe” of its tail. Often times the image of beards and robes were combined as an old bearded man wearing a long robe as a way to represent comets. This seems to be the case for Quetzalcoatl. Likewise, the other elements of this myth, i.e., rising in the east, departing and returning in the future are all consistent with the interpretation of Quetzalcoatl as a comet.

Quetzalcoatl is composed of two words: quetzal + coatl. Quetzal refers to feathers and coatl refers to a snake thus the traditional translation of Quetzalcoatl is “feathered serpent.”

[link to sites.google.com (secure)]

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/23/2012 03:51 PM

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
United States
12/23/2012 06:55 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

This could be the Nostradamus comet!

[link to synchromysticismforum.com]

3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 8501601
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12/23/2012 09:15 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Would you bet your life on it?
Revelator Stargate (OP)

User ID: 1507989
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12/24/2012 12:29 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Would you bet your life on it?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8501601

That it ends on that day and begins anew again? Yes, the theory is 100% accurate because it is a very silly mistake that they included year 0 in their calculations when the calendar should have been started at year 1. I know I am right about this 100%

And here is another thing I saw related to my date!

"The Mayan calendar ends on the Gregorian calendar date of December 16, 2013. Were most people think that this is the end of world. While others believe that it is simply a change of enlightenment in this current time. A new sunrise would step towards changes, in the mankind where they become more aware of their surroundings and change in their way of thinking for their fellow man."

[link to www.altiusdirectory.com]

3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1610534
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12/24/2012 03:49 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

This is a new theory (at least to me) OP, but extremely compelling if your suppositions are correct about it not being already included in the Mayan calculations. After all, you are 1-year-old at the end of your first, year, not the beginning.

Question: Western calendars are linear - they just go in a straight line forever. The Mayan calendar is cyclical. So while your theory passes for a linear calendar, couldn't it be said that the "year zero" for a cyclical calendar like the Mayan is the last year of the previous cycle?

For example, in a hundred year cycle, you would reach year 100 at the end of the hundreth year. Then, that hundreth year would continue until the new year of one is reached. So instead of calling it year zero, you'd be calling it year hundred, because it's the name of the number of years that had already been reached. If this is how the Mayan calender works, then their year zero does exist, but it is named after the last year of the previous cycle. So the question arises, when does the cycle end - at the achievement of the end of the last year, or at the achievement of the end of the first year? Because between the two dates is the "year zero."
39DragonFlies

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12/24/2012 04:22 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012




Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30720768
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12/24/2012 04:22 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The Mayan Long Count begun on 0 day or 0.0.0.0.0 which was August 11th, -3113 (astronomical counting). You can see that in the Maya Long Count to Gregorian conversion link below.

Now some feel the Long Count had not only a 0 day but also a zero year. Between August 11th, -3113 to August 5th, -3112 was that zero year. from 0.0.0.0.0 to 0.0.1.0.0. August 6th, -3112 would be 0.0.1.0.1

Now perhaps the calendar begun counting at that 1 Year. Not at 0, but at Year 1. Just like how the Gregorian calendar begins at 1 AD. You logically don't count starting at 0, but at 1. So it can be consider this way....

The 3rd millennium begun on Jan. 1st, 2000 if only the Gregorian calendar started at 0, but it doesn't, it begins at 1 AD, which means technically the start of the 3rd millennium began on Jan. 1st, 2001.

Could this line of thinking than apply to the Dec. 21st, 2012 date? This essentially could be like thinking Jan. 1st, 2000 was the start of the new millennium when technically it was Jan. 1st, 2001 because the calendar started at 1.

This means if there was a 0 year in the Long Count, which looks like that was the case, and if the calendar didn't begin counting at 0 but instead of Year 1, then the Maya Long Count calendar technically ends a year later or 1 Tun later (360 days) from Dec. 21st, 2012. That date is Dec. 16th, 2013, which falls on 13 Ahau.

Here is the proof from my research that the true end date of the Mayan calendar is technically about a year off.

Dec 16th, 2013 13.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Sept. 13th, 1619 12.0.1.0.0 (1 Ahau)

June 10th, 1225 11.0.1.0.0 (2 Ahau)

March 8th, 831 10.0.1.0.0 (3 Ahau)

Dec. 3rd, 436 9.0.1.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Aug. 31st 42 8.0.1.0.0 (5 Ahau)

May 28th, -352 B.C. 7.0.1.0.0 (6 Ahau)

Feb. 23rd -746 B.C. 6.0.1.0.0 (7 Ahau)

Nov. 21st -1141 B.C. 5.0.1.0.0 (8 Ahau)

Aug. 18th -1535 B.C. 4.0.1.0.0 (9 Ahau)

May 16th -1929 B.C. 3.0.1.0.0 (10 Ahau)

Feb. 10th -2323 B.C. 2.0.1.0.0 (11 Ahau)

Nov. 8th -2718 B.C. 1.0.1.0.0 (12 Ahau)

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Aug. 11th, -3113 B.C. 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau)

And it can thus be considered that Dec. 21st, 2012 is like Jan. 1st, 2000 and that Dec. 16th, 2013 is Jan. 1st. 2001

Popular culture misconception is that New Year 2000 was the start of the 21st century and the millennium but New Year 2001 actually marked the first year of these two distinctions. So essentially now then Dec. 16th, 2013 marks the start of the new beginning and not Dec. 21st, 2012!

Again, we don't start counting our Gregorian calendar at year 0 right???? It goes like -2 B.C, 1 B.C. 1 A.D, 2 A.D. and so on.

We skip over that zero year. There is no zero year. So why did these Mayan calendar researchers count zero year, thus coming up with the end date of Dec. 21st or 23rd, 2012? It makes no sense! How could they be so stupid not to have figured this out? We have all been duped as to what the real and true Mayan calendar end date is.

ANY QUESTIONS?????
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Yes one day DOOM will come to earth but not yet.

The Mayans never gave the date of doom and the end of life on Earth,etched on stones was about what life was going be like in 21 dec 2012 ,and if you compare there pictures and read there scripts then you can see us yes you and me,they talk about flying objects to DNA stands etc,it was the future they saw.

Its the book of life etched on stone by the Mayans,the real book of life.

Now you can see, now you read what the Mayans etched on stone,it was the future.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13484018
United States
12/24/2012 04:24 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

ok whatever OP

... go ahead and write a book and see how many you can sell to the doomtards before next year. I think it's funny that i didnt see any of these "researched theories" before dec 21 and now everybody has the "real" date.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1610534
United States
12/24/2012 04:47 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

ok whatever OP
... go ahead and write a book and see how many you can sell to the doomtards before next year. I think it's funny that i didnt see any of these "researched theories" before dec 21 and now everybody has the "real" date.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13484018

It's called "failure analysis," or for those of you still picking your noses, "learning." It's also part of the scientific method. You observe the world, theorize what it going on, make predictions about what will happen next, watch what happens, and make new theories based on observations.

That includes reconsidering other theorize in the light of new information.

What you are doing, on the other hand, is promoting ignorance, despair, the destruction of learning, shame, stupidity, the mocking condemnation of the learning process itself, and the disruption of the collaborative possibilities the internet enables. You are trying, along with other like you, to undermine and destroy thousands of years of human efforts to come together and try to build a better world. Because of this, you are the enemy of humanity. You are the enemy of truth, of learning, of goodness, and of kindness. You are the destroyer of minds and hearts, and the helper of all of the hells and misery ever to visit the human race. Your life is worth than death, your words are poison, and you are the enemy of all the goodness in the world. In a just world, you would be jailed for life for your efforts to destroy civilization, and your mocking tongue would be silenced behind the slam of a steel prison door, and the entire world would sigh in relief when you were finally locked up for good.

I hope that was clear.

Anonymous Coward
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12/24/2012 05:16 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Get a clue. Nothing happened on the 21st. Then the "real" date was supposed to be the 23rd and nothing happened then either. Now you've made a new date a year from now. Nothing is going to happen then either.

Are you really that deluded as not to be able to see it? Or just too stubborn to admit it?

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28780784
Germany
12/24/2012 09:11 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Thank you OP for your great research.

When my friend asked me: why nothing happened on the 21st, my answer was:

The calculations of present day researchers of Maya calendar must be wrong.

So I was right and I believe you are probably closer to the truth than the rest of the so called researchers.

I think the PTB know the real date also, and that was a purposefully orchestrated misinformation so the profane are confused, and put their guard down when the real thing happens .

The shilling on this thread is the proof.

Anonymous Coward
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12/24/2012 09:43 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012




ImportantQuestions

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12/24/2012 10:28 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I'm sorry, do you have a degree in Mayan Anthropology? Mathematics? Archaeology? What is your expertise that you make these claims? You just quoted a bunch of dates at me as though I should immediately understand their significance, and then said you were right. Can we acknowledge, at least, that this is not about Doomsdays or Armageddons? That there is no "End Time"? That, regardless of any academic interest in the understanding of Mayan time records and spirituality, there is only as much credence to their superstitions ad there is to modern Christianity? To the Shamanistic beliefs of South American tribes? To the Norse and Greek Pantheons?
I grow weary of this innate need in humans to see themselves annihilated. Let's focus instead on moving forward, shall we?

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 744032
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12/24/2012 10:50 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Done with the Mayan calendar bull. Move on
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30669939

Read and understand this. This could be momenumental if I am correct. It makes complete sense if you can follow what I am trying to say here.

If anyone can disprove me on my theory, than I will be happy to admit I am wrong with it.

If you can't disprove me, then this could be the TRUE Mayan Calendar so called "end date" and new beginning.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

So your saying we shouldn't believe any scholar who studied the Mayan culture in depth and already said the Mayan calendar ends on 21/12/12 but should believe you because you put a few numbers up on a forum???

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 744032
Canada
12/24/2012 10:50 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

For the calendar to end of 4 Ahau or Dec. 21st, 2012 never made any sense to me which is why I was intrigued with Ian Lungold and Carl Calleman's theories.

13 Ahau is the highest form of completion in regards to the Mayan Calendar and when you combined that with the 13th baktun, you get the highest form of calendar completion, interlocking all the gears in the Mayan cycle. Thus, Dec. 16th, 2013 is 13 Baktun and 13 Ahau. The strongest possible completion you can possibly get!
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Reguardless of your bullshit, the calendar still goes past 2012, 2013 and 2014. Sorry,man. Even the mayans said its not the end. What do you want out of life that u think GLP can provide?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7242405


LMAO

xxxxxxx

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28780784
Germany
12/24/2012 10:51 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I'm sorry, do you have a degree in Mayan Anthropology? Mathematics? Archaeology? What is your expertise that you make these claims? You just quoted a bunch of dates at me as though I should immediately understand their significance, and then said you were right. Can we acknowledge, at least, that this is not about Doomsdays or Armageddons? That there is no "End Time"? That, regardless of any academic interest in the understanding of Mayan time records and spirituality, there is only as much credence to their superstitions ad there is to modern Christianity? To the Shamanistic beliefs of South American tribes? To the Norse and Greek Pantheons?
I grow weary of this innate need in humans to see themselves annihilated. Let's focus instead on moving forward, shall we?
Quoting: ImportantQuestions 30776638

Funny, how you are on conspiracy forum and you ask for degrees. You are obviously in a wrong place. There is a lot of scientific forums you can join.

People with degrees are the most manipulated and for them finding true knowledge is impossible. They only follow what they are told to learn.

Thank you OP for your research.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 744032
Canada
12/24/2012 10:58 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I'm sorry, do you have a degree in Mayan Anthropology? Mathematics? Archaeology? What is your expertise that you make these claims? You just quoted a bunch of dates at me as though I should immediately understand their significance, and then said you were right. Can we acknowledge, at least, that this is not about Doomsdays or Armageddons? That there is no "End Time"? That, regardless of any academic interest in the understanding of Mayan time records and spirituality, there is only as much credence to their superstitions ad there is to modern Christianity? To the Shamanistic beliefs of South American tribes? To the Norse and Greek Pantheons?

I grow weary of this innate need in humans to see themselves annihilated. Let's focus instead on moving forward, shall we?
Quoting: ImportantQuestions 30776638

Funny, how you are on conspiracy forum and you ask for degrees. You are obviously in a wrong place. There is a lot of scientific forums you can join.
People with degrees are the most manipulated and for them finding true knowledge is impossible. They only follow what they are told to learn.

That really is a fine line. The OP came and gave some data and calculations that contradict scholars who have studied the Mayan culture in detail. So were suppose to believe the OP is correct and prove him wrong over those who have already done the work and the people who live there today? So they are all wrong as well? That makes absolutely no sense!
Thank you OP for your research.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28780784

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 744032
Canada
12/24/2012 10:59 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

That really is a fine line. The OP came and gave some data and calculations that contradict scholars who have studied the Mayan culture in detail. So were suppose to believe the OP is correct and prove him wrong over those who have already done the work and the people who live there today? So they are all wrong as well? That makes absolutely no sense!
katzi

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United States
12/24/2012 11:14 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Done with the Mayan calendar bull. Move on
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30669939

please if you haven't already, accept jesus as your lord and savior. the time is now.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 29285808
United States
12/24/2012 12:37 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

WOW!

Where can I buy your book!?!?!?

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13484018
United States
12/24/2012 12:37 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

"oh well since the other dates were wrong here's the real date" And didnt they find new information indicating the calendar went on millions of years into the future. It is almost laughable how many people will just not let this thing go... and call it research and science. It's called OCD. Get on some meds, find ya a girl, and try to let this mayan thing go.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28437585
United States
12/24/2012 12:39 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I for one thankyou OP for bringing the discrepancy to our attention

Peace

Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 29012924
United States
12/24/2012 01:39 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

WOW!

Where can I buy your book!?!?!?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29285808

Look for it soon. Will be charging $50 for it since it will have how this date will transform consciousness even more than what 12/21/12 brought...

Just kidding!

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 29012924
United States
12/24/2012 01:42 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I for one thankyou OP for bringing the discrepancy to our attention

Peace
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28437585

Thanks. It is a very simple calendar discrepancy that even a 7 year old can understand. Again, can anyone disprove my theory? I will be more than happy to admit I am wrong if someone can disprove it.

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/24/2012 01:44 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

"oh well since the other dates were wrong here's the real date" And didnt they find new information indicating the calendar went on millions of years into the future. It is almost laughable how many people will just not let this thing go... and call it research and science. It's called OCD. Get on some meds, find ya a girl, and try to let this mayan thing go.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13484018

If you can read a little more closely regarding this thread, I came up with this theory exactly three years ago and just remembered my research I did on this topic 3 years ago and wanted to revisit it.

3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28316373
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12/24/2012 01:53 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I thought the mayan calender was based on an alignment that just happened has nothing to do with our calender it was an alignment based on the stars!

Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/24/2012 03:29 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Comet ISON looks to be the Nostradamus comet!! I will explain why this is the case soon!

damned

3ewewg
fortytwo

User ID: 30762642
Australia
12/24/2012 05:47 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I tell you OP, the game ISON.

Done some research of my own on this comet and especially the NAME..very interesting but not funny.

Looking forward to what you have unearthed..I do believe there is a correlation to the true galactic midnight. As Ursula would say..the dragons tail whips up a frenzy.

By the by, such an astronomic show weighs heavily on the psyche when, at a time of diminishing liberty, we are at witts end to remain sane.

xxxxxxx

Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 26571076
United States
12/24/2012 05:56 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I tell you OP, the game ISON.

Done some research of my own on this comet and especially the NAME..very interesting but not funny.

Looking forward to what you have unearthed..I do believe there is a correlation to the true galactic midnight. As Ursula would say..the dragons tail whips up a frenzy.

By the by, such an astronomic show weighs heavily on the psyche when, at a time of diminishing liberty, we are at witts end to remain sane.
Quoting: fortytwo

Happy holidays to you and get ready for some earthshaking information to come related to this. A GLP exclusive!

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)

User ID: 1507989
United States
12/24/2012 10:47 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Thank you OP for your great research.

When my friend asked me: why nothing happened on the 21st, my answer was:

The calculations of present day researchers of Maya calendar must be wrong.

So I was right and I believe you are probably closer to the truth than the rest of the so called researchers.

I think the PTB know the real date also, and that was a purposefully orchestrated misinformation so the profane are confused, and put their guard down when the real thing happens .

The shilling on this thread is the proof.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28780784

You are welcome. Happy Holidays to you in Germany. Yeah, the shilling on this thread, how many one or two stars, and not even a pin thread on this is proof.

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
United States
12/24/2012 10:49 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

ok whatever OP
... go ahead and write a book and see how many you can sell to the doomtards before next year. I think it's funny that i didnt see any of these "researched theories" before dec 21 and now everybody has the "real" date.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13484018

It's called "failure analysis," or for those of you still picking your noses, "learning." It's also part of the scientific method. You observe the world, theorize what it going on, make predictions about what will happen next, watch what happens, and make new theories based on observations.

That includes reconsidering other theorize in the light of new information.

What you are doing, on the other hand, is promoting ignorance, despair, the destruction of learning, shame, stupidity, the mocking condemnation of the learning process itself, and the disruption of the collaborative possibilities the internet enables. You are trying, along with other like you, to undermine and destroy thousands of years of human efforts to come together and try to build a better world. Because of this, you are the enemy of humanity. You are the enemy of truth, of learning, of goodness, and of kindness. You are the destroyer of minds and hearts, and the helper of all of the hells and misery ever to visit the human race. Your life is worth than death, your words are poison, and you are the enemy of all the goodness in the world. In a just world, you would be jailed for life for your efforts to destroy civilization, and your mocking tongue would be silenced behind the slam of a steel prison door, and the entire world would sigh in relief when you were finally locked up for good.

I hope that was clear.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534




3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
United States
12/24/2012 10:54 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I'm sorry, do you have a degree in Mayan Anthropology? Mathematics? Archaeology? What is your expertise that you make these claims? You just quoted a bunch of dates at me as though I should immediately understand their significance, and then said you were right. Can we acknowledge, at least, that this is not about Doomsdays or Armageddons? That there is no "End Time"? That, regardless of any academic interest in the understanding of Mayan time records and spirituality, there is only as much credence to their superstitions ad there is to modern Christianity? To the Shamanistic beliefs of South American tribes? To the Norse and Greek Pantheons?
I grow weary of this innate need in humans to see themselves annihilated. Let's focus instead on moving forward, shall we?
Quoting: ImportantQuestions 30776638

No, no, and no.

My expertise is that I am pretty good at researching information and using multicontextual analysis.

I have also studied the Mayan calendar and read numerous books about 4-5 years ago related to it from Carl Calleman, John Major Jenkins, Geoff Stray, among others. I then used my own brain and researched the calendar myself.

I thought the whole Dec. 21st, 2012 was a deception. Hell, they made a Hollywood movie related to that date, so you just knew something was a little off.

I was intrigued by Calleman's research and the importance of the 13 Ahau Tzolkin end date. He had it at Oct. 28th, 2011, which was 13 Ahau. But I quickly realized that even his theory might be right in some ways, the date was off. So I am embarked on my own journey researching it and figuring out the numbers, which I will explain in more depth later.

Then to my amazement, I realized the Mayan calendar researchers included the Year 0 in their calculations, which they shouldn't have done, thus the calendar is off by a year, or 360 days according to the Mayan Long Count.

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/24/2012 11:03 PM

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
United States
12/24/2012 10:59 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The Mayan Long Count begun on 0 day or 0.0.0.0.0 which was August 11th, -3113 (astronomical counting). You can see that in the Maya Long Count to Gregorian conversion link below.

Now some feel the Long Count had not only a 0 day but also a zero year. Between August 11th, -3113 to August 5th, -3112 was that zero year. from 0.0.0.0.0 to 0.0.1.0.0. August 6th, -3112 would be 0.0.1.0.1

Now perhaps the calendar begun counting at that 1 Year. Not at 0, but at Year 1. Just like how the Gregorian calendar begins at 1 AD. You logically don't count starting at 0, but at 1. So it can be consider this way....

The 3rd millennium begun on Jan. 1st, 2000 if only the Gregorian calendar started at 0, but it doesn't, it begins at 1 AD, which means technically the start of the 3rd millennium began on Jan. 1st, 2001.

Could this line of thinking than apply to the Dec. 21st, 2012 date? This essentially could be like thinking Jan. 1st, 2000 was the start of the new millennium when technically it was Jan. 1st, 2001 because the calendar started at 1.

This means if there was a 0 year in the Long Count, which looks like that was the case, and if the calendar didn't begin counting at 0 but instead of Year 1, then the Maya Long Count calendar technically ends a year later or 1 Tun later (360 days) from Dec. 21st, 2012. That date is Dec. 16th, 2013, which falls on 13 Ahau.

Here is the proof from my research that the true end date of the Mayan calendar is technically about a year off.

Dec 16th, 2013 13.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Sept. 13th, 1619 12.0.1.0.0 (1 Ahau)

June 10th, 1225 11.0.1.0.0 (2 Ahau)

March 8th, 831 10.0.1.0.0 (3 Ahau)

Dec. 3rd, 436 9.0.1.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Aug. 31st 42 8.0.1.0.0 (5 Ahau)

May 28th, -352 B.C. 7.0.1.0.0 (6 Ahau)

Feb. 23rd -746 B.C. 6.0.1.0.0 (7 Ahau)

Nov. 21st -1141 B.C. 5.0.1.0.0 (8 Ahau)

Aug. 18th -1535 B.C. 4.0.1.0.0 (9 Ahau)

May 16th -1929 B.C. 3.0.1.0.0 (10 Ahau)

Feb. 10th -2323 B.C. 2.0.1.0.0 (11 Ahau)

Nov. 8th -2718 B.C. 1.0.1.0.0 (12 Ahau)

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Aug. 11th, -3113 B.C. 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau)

And it can thus be considered that Dec. 21st, 2012 is like Jan. 1st, 2000 and that Dec. 16th, 2013 is Jan. 1st. 2001

Popular culture misconception is that New Year 2000 was the start of the 21st century and the millennium but New Year 2001 actually marked the first year of these two distinctions. So essentially now then Dec. 16th, 2013 marks the start of the new beginning and not Dec. 21st, 2012!

Again, we don't start counting our Gregorian calendar at year 0 right???? It goes like -2 B.C, 1 B.C. 1 A.D, 2 A.D. and so on.

We skip over that zero year. There is no zero year. So why did these Mayan calendar researchers count zero year, thus coming up with the end date of Dec. 21st or 23rd, 2012? It makes no sense! How could they be so stupid not to have figured this out? We have all been duped as to what the real and true Mayan calendar end date is.

ANY QUESTIONS?????
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Oh dear, you really don't understand do you? The big deal about the end date is that it renews the Katun. The name of the Katun derives from the name of the day it starts on, so if you are saying that the end date is on a day named 13 Ahau, you are denying the veracity of the date that the Mayans wrote which is 4 Ahau 3 Kankin. Give it up. The cycle ended in 1988. Nothing bad was supposed to happen. The ceremony was held, the stone was erected. Time goes on and the days continue to count. Leave our culture and knowledge out of your delusions of doom and/or ascension.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

I saw your comment. LOL!

Ok, please tell me more. Tell me more about 4 Ahau 3 Kankin (which I already know about) and tell me more how the cycle ended in 1988 because I haven't heard that ANYWHERE and I have read a lot of Mayan calendar books. So yes, please enlighten me and what the heck is the stone that was erected anyways?

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/24/2012 10:59 PM

3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1507723
Canada
12/24/2012 11:23 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

LOL. Ya good luck with that one.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10422385
Canada
12/25/2012 02:38 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The Mayan Long Count begun on 0 day or 0.0.0.0.0 which was August 11th, -3113 (astronomical counting). You can see that in the Maya Long Count to Gregorian conversion link below.

Now some feel the Long Count had not only a 0 day but also a zero year. Between August 11th, -3113 to August 5th, -3112 was that zero year. from 0.0.0.0.0 to 0.0.1.0.0. August 6th, -3112 would be 0.0.1.0.1

Now perhaps the calendar begun counting at that 1 Year. Not at 0, but at Year 1. Just like how the Gregorian calendar begins at 1 AD. You logically don't count starting at 0, but at 1. So it can be consider this way....

The 3rd millennium begun on Jan. 1st, 2000 if only the Gregorian calendar started at 0, but it doesn't, it begins at 1 AD, which means technically the start of the 3rd millennium began on Jan. 1st, 2001.

Could this line of thinking than apply to the Dec. 21st, 2012 date? This essentially could be like thinking Jan. 1st, 2000 was the start of the new millennium when technically it was Jan. 1st, 2001 because the calendar started at 1.

This means if there was a 0 year in the Long Count, which looks like that was the case, and if the calendar didn't begin counting at 0 but instead of Year 1, then the Maya Long Count calendar technically ends a year later or 1 Tun later (360 days) from Dec. 21st, 2012. That date is Dec. 16th, 2013, which falls on 13 Ahau.

Here is the proof from my research that the true end date of the Mayan calendar is technically about a year off.

Dec 16th, 2013 13.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Sept. 13th, 1619 12.0.1.0.0 (1 Ahau)

June 10th, 1225 11.0.1.0.0 (2 Ahau)

March 8th, 831 10.0.1.0.0 (3 Ahau)

Dec. 3rd, 436 9.0.1.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Aug. 31st 42 8.0.1.0.0 (5 Ahau)

May 28th, -352 B.C. 7.0.1.0.0 (6 Ahau)

Feb. 23rd -746 B.C. 6.0.1.0.0 (7 Ahau)

Nov. 21st -1141 B.C. 5.0.1.0.0 (8 Ahau)

Aug. 18th -1535 B.C. 4.0.1.0.0 (9 Ahau)

May 16th -1929 B.C. 3.0.1.0.0 (10 Ahau)

Feb. 10th -2323 B.C. 2.0.1.0.0 (11 Ahau)

Nov. 8th -2718 B.C. 1.0.1.0.0 (12 Ahau)

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

Aug. 11th, -3113 B.C. 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau)

And it can thus be considered that Dec. 21st, 2012 is like Jan. 1st, 2000 and that Dec. 16th, 2013 is Jan. 1st. 2001

Popular culture misconception is that New Year 2000 was the start of the 21st century and the millennium but New Year 2001 actually marked the first year of these two distinctions. So essentially now then Dec. 16th, 2013 marks the start of the new beginning and not Dec. 21st, 2012!

Again, we don't start counting our Gregorian calendar at year 0 right???? It goes like -2 B.C, 1 B.C. 1 A.D, 2 A.D. and so on.

We skip over that zero year. There is no zero year. So why did these Mayan calendar researchers count zero year, thus coming up with the end date of Dec. 21st or 23rd, 2012? It makes no sense! How could they be so stupid not to have figured this out? We have all been duped as to what the real and true Mayan calendar end date is.

ANY QUESTIONS?????
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Oh dear, you really don't understand do you? The big deal about the end date is that it renews the Katun. The name of the Katun derives from the name of the day it starts on, so if you are saying that the end date is on a day named 13 Ahau, you are denying the veracity of the date that the Mayans wrote which is 4 Ahau 3 Kankin. Give it up. The cycle ended in 1988. Nothing bad was supposed to happen. The ceremony was held, the stone was erected. Time goes on and the days continue to count. Leave our culture and knowledge out of your delusions of doom and/or ascension.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

I saw your comment. LOL!

Ok, please tell me more. Tell me more about 4 Ahau 3 Kankin (which I already know about) and tell me more how the cycle ended in 1988 because I haven't heard that ANYWHERE and I have read a lot of Mayan calendar books. So yes, please enlighten me and what the heck is the stone that was erected anyways?
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Trying to reply, right after I posted that the OP banned me from his threads. If this works I will post more.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10422385
Canada
12/25/2012 03:08 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Thanks OP for unbanning me.

Here's the thing with the correlations that lead to Dec. or any other time in 2012. I will try to make it simple so that anyone can try to follow my logic, do the math, do the counting and disprove what I say. If someone can do that, I will admit that we are wrong.

1. The 13 baktun cycle is equal to 5200 x 360 days. The 360 day year is a vague year and since there are 365.25 days in a solar year, every year the solar calendar once you set the two in motion, the vague years (tun) will gain 5.25 days every year against the solar year (ha'ab).

2. 13 baktuns, or 5200 tuns (vague years) is equal to 5128 solar years plus 280 days.

3. The date recorded in the Dresden codex is 4 ahau 3 kankin. The 4 ahau is derived from the Tzolkin, which is a civic calendar that gives a name to the days, like our days are called by the names of the week. The Tzolkin date is a series of 13 numbers paired with a sequence of 20 symbols. The 4 kankin means that this day called 4 ahau occurs on the 5th day of the month of kankin.

4. The ha'ab being a solar calendar must accurately predict the seasons and conditions. It must remain steady and aligned with the solar cycle or it becomes useless to the people that use it. This means that we can know the time of year intended for any date that includes the ha'ab. Just like we know that October happens the same time every year.

5. The Tzolkin repeats every 260 days, but when you pair it with the ha'ab date, no day will have the same name twice in 52 solar years. This means that if we know the solar calendar date and the Tzolkin date we can automatically deduce the name of the solar year. The Mayans didn't record the name of the solar year because it was implied already.

6. In this case, the only solar year when the end date of the cycle can occur is called 2 Etznab. In Aztec lands, the year was called 2 Tecpatl. According to the order of the years, this is the year after One Acatl, the year when it was prophecied that Quetzalcoatl would return. If he didn't return in that year, the people knew that it would be at least another 52 years before he might.

7. We know from numerous Spanish and native sources that the year in course when Cortes arrived was One Acatl. This is the only reason the Aztecs did not kill Cortes and allowed him into the city. Had it been any other year they would not have thought he could be Quetzalcoatl. We know that the year was 1519.

8. If the year following One Acatl is 2 Tecpatl, or 2 Etznab in Mayan lands, then it tells us that the only time the calendar cycle can end is in a year such as 1520, 1572,1624,1676,1728,1780,1832,1884,1936, 1988 or 2040.

I will write more in a while.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10422385
Canada
12/25/2012 03:27 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

So yes, please enlighten me and what the heck is the stone that was erected anyways?

The word Tun means stone. It also means vague year. There is an archaic relationship between the two that runs deep in all Mayan languages that I am aware of. In some languages it is Ton, and in parts of Chiapas it also has the connotation of "saintly". This is one of the tricky things about the Mayan language. There are so many nuances that are not obvious to a westerner. Lots of words mean different things depending on the context it is used in, but at some deep level they all belong to the same root concept.

A stone was erected, like it always is and has been over the centuries, to mark the new cycle. Tun, Katun, Baktun, they are all stones.

And I'm sorry OP if I got pissy and then to make it worse, I didn't realize it was you that were asking the question. I get a bit touchy about the 2012 disinformation because it is a land, a people and a culture that I love very much.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10422385
Canada
12/25/2012 04:57 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The leap year was not needed, because the days started at different times of the day, depending on the ruling cardinal point of the year in question. If it was a year from the east, Ben, the year and all of the days in that year started at sunrise. After 18 Uinals, or solar months of 20 days each, an additional 5 days was added.
The last day was extended until noon when the new year Etznab was ushered in.
The years from the west started at sunset and the years from the south at midnight.
After four years the extra day is accounted for, but not counted as a day.
Therefore, according to the Thompson correlation, for every four years of his calculation,
there is an error of 1 day. When we are talking about a cycle of more than 5000 years,
it is significant.By the end of the cycle, the error is more than 24 solar years.

Using the Thompson correlation, the end date does not follow the logical sequence and it does not produce a reliable solar calendar date, while the way I am explaining maintains a solid, steady and predictable solar year even after more than 5000

xxxxxxx


Thanks OP for unbanning me.

Here's the thing with the correlations that lead to Dec. or any other time in 2012. I will try to make it simple so that anyone can try to follow my logic, do the math, do the counting and disprove what I say. If someone can do that, I will admit that we are wrong.

1. The 13 baktun cycle is equal to 5200 x 360 days. The 360 day year is a vague year and since there are 365.25 days in a solar year, every year the solar calendar once you set the two in motion, the vague years (tun) will gain 5.25 days every year against the solar year (ha'ab).

2. 13 baktuns, or 5200 tuns (vague years) is equal to 5128 solar years plus 280 days.

3. The date recorded in the Dresden codex is 4 ahau 3 kankin. The 4 ahau is derived from the Tzolkin, which is a civic calendar that gives a name to the days, like our days are called by the names of the week.
The Tzolkin date is a series of 13 numbers paired with a sequence of 20 symbols.
The 4 kankin means that this day called 4 ahau occurs on the 5th day of the month of kankin.

4. The ha'ab being a solar calendar must accurately predict the seasons and conditions. It must remain steady and aligned with the solar cycle or it becomes useless to the people that use it. This means that we can know the time of year intended for any date that includes the ha'ab. Just like we know that October happens the same time every year.

5. The Tzolkin repeats every 260 days, but when you pair it with the ha'ab date, no day will have the same name twice in 52 solar years. This means that if we know the solar calendar date and the Tzolkin date we can automatically deduce the name of the solar year. The Mayans didn't record the name of the solar year because it was implied already.

6. In this case, the only solar year when the end date of the cycle can occur is called 2 Etznab.

In Aztec lands, the year was called 2 Tecpatl. According to the order of the years,
this is the year after One Acatl,
the year when it was prophecied that Quetzalcoatl would return.
If he didn't return in that year, the people knew that it would be at least another 52 years before he might.

7. We know from numerous Spanish and native sources that the year in course when Cortes arrived was One Acatl. This is the only reason the Aztecs did not kill Cortes and allowed him into the city. Had it been any other year they would not have thought he could be Quetzalcoatl. We know that the year was 1519.

8. If the year following One Acatl is 2 Tecpatl, or 2 Etznab in Mayan lands, then it tells us that the only time the calendar cycle can end is in a year such as 1520, 1572,1624,1676,1728,1780,1832,1884,1936, 1988 or 2040.

I will write more in a while.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

You are welcome. You know your stuff as you are part of the Mayan culture and people right? I had a feeling you would give an educated challenging response.

You do realize there is nothing on the Internet that mentions the Mayan Long Count ending in 1988 and cycling over right?

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
United States
12/25/2012 12:23 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The leap year was not needed, because the days started at different times of the day, depending on the ruling cardinal point of the year in question. If it was a year from the east, Ben, the year and all of the days in that year started at sunrise. After 18 Uinals, or solar months of 20 days each, an additional 5 days was added. The last day was extended until noon when the new year Etznab was ushered in. The years from the west started at sunset and the years from the south at midnight. After four years the extra day is accounted for, but not counted as a day. Therefore, according to the Thompson correlation, for every four years of his calculation, there is an error of 1 day. When we are talking about a cycle of more than 5000 years, it is significant.By the end of the cycle, the error is more than 24 solar years.

Using the Thompson correlation, the end date does not follow the logical sequence and it does not produce a reliable solar calendar date, while the way I am explaining maintains a solid, steady and predictable solar year even after more than 5000 years.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Ok, I see what you are saying that for every 4 years the Long Count is off a year, thus in solar years over a 5000 year period it is off by 24 solar years, thus coming up with that 1988 date.

Again, I have never heard of that theory before ever! You are saying the GMT correlation is off quite a bit. Have you ever emailed this logic and brought it up to other Mayan calendar researchers out there. Maybe email John Major Jenkins and sees what he thinks of that theory?

To me, right off, it doesn't sound right. I believe the GMT correlation is the most accurate and I can explain more as to why later and put it into simple terms.

3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28780784
Germany
12/25/2012 12:33 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

waiting for more of your research results..................fascinating!

After I looked through your information, it's an obvious mistake that they (the researchers) overlooked the year 0, which was mistakenly counted in as a full year.

Makes a lot of sense.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10422385
Canada
12/25/2012 12:39 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Thanks OP for unbanning me.

Here's the thing with the correlations that lead to Dec. or any other time in 2012. I will try to make it simple so that anyone can try to follow my logic, do the math, do the counting and disprove what I say. If someone can do that, I will admit that we are wrong.

1. The 13 baktun cycle is equal to 5200 x 360 days. The 360 day year is a vague year and since there are 365.25 days in a solar year, every year the solar calendar once you set the two in motion, the vague years (tun) will gain 5.25 days every year against the solar year (ha'ab).

2. 13 baktuns, or 5200 tuns (vague years) is equal to 5128 solar years plus 280 days.

3. The date recorded in the Dresden codex is 4 ahau 3 kankin. The 4 ahau is derived from the Tzolkin, which is a civic calendar that gives a name to the days, like our days are called by the names of the week. The Tzolkin date is a series of 13 numbers paired with a sequence of 20 symbols. The 4 kankin means that this day called 4 ahau occurs on the 5th day of the month of kankin.

4. The ha'ab being a solar calendar must accurately predict the seasons and conditions. It must remain steady and aligned with the solar cycle or it becomes useless to the people that use it. This means that we can know the time of year intended for any date that includes the ha'ab. Just like we know that October happens the same time every year.

5. The Tzolkin repeats every 260 days, but when you pair it with the ha'ab date, no day will have the same name twice in 52 solar years. This means that if we know the solar calendar date and the Tzolkin date we can automatically deduce the name of the solar year. The Mayans didn't record the name of the solar year because it was implied already.

6. In this case, the only solar year when the end date of the cycle can occur is called 2 Etznab. In Aztec lands, the year was called 2 Tecpatl. According to the order of the years, this is the year after One Acatl, the year when it was prophecied that Quetzalcoatl would return. If he didn't return in that year, the people knew that it would be at least another 52 years before he might.

7. We know from numerous Spanish and native sources that the year in course when Cortes arrived was One Acatl. This is the only reason the Aztecs did not kill Cortes and allowed him into the city. Had it been any other year they would not have thought he could be Quetzalcoatl. We know that the year was 1519.

8. If the year following One Acatl is 2 Tecpatl, or 2 Etznab in Mayan lands, then it tells us that the only time the calendar cycle can end is in a year such as 1520, 1572,1624,1676,1728,1780,1832,1884,1936, 1988 or 2040.

I will write more in a while.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

You are welcome. You know your stuff as you are part of the Mayan culture and people right? I had a feeling you would give an educated challenging response.

You do realize there is nothing on the Internet that mentions the Mayan Long Count ending in 1988 and cycling over right?
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Of course I realize it. Very few people, including Mayas are aware of this. Only a handful of people in Yucatan, Belize, the Tenec lands and some of the grandfather nations like the Mam know anything about the calendar. They have continued to erect stones and tally the years in secret since the fall of the Triple Alliance in 1460. The astronomical events that marked the true end date was the so called harmonic convergence in Aug 1987, when all of the inner planets were conjunct each other and the sun in the space of a few days. The new agers of the day were dancing nude in the moonlight trampling pyramids and going on about how this event was preparation for the 2012 doom date. I have to tell you that the people in the know had a really good laugh about that, they still laugh about it. The real date was here and everyone was celebrating a bogus event and "preparing" for a wrong calendar date of doom, when the real thing was happening.

Just to be clear, I am not Mayan. I am half Canadian native and half Mexican native. I married a Yucatecan Maya and have lived in Mayan regions on and off for 50 years. My father in law was one of the men who knows where the stones are and he took me with him to the ceremony because they needed an interpreter for the people from Belize, since the Mayan they speak is not understood by the Yucatec Mayas of today.

Anonymous Coward
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12/25/2012 12:52 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The leap year was not needed, because the days started at different times of the day, depending on the ruling cardinal point of the year in question. If it was a year from the east, Ben, the year and all of the days in that year started at sunrise. After 18 Uinals, or solar months of 20 days each, an additional 5 days was added. The last day was extended until noon when the new year Etznab was ushered in. The years from the west started at sunset and the years from the south at midnight. After four years the extra day is accounted for, but not counted as a day. Therefore, according to the Thompson correlation, for every four years of his calculation, there is an error of 1 day. When we are talking about a cycle of more than 5000 years, it is significant.By the end of the cycle, the error is more than 24 solar years.

Using the Thompson correlation, the end date does not follow the logical sequence and it does not produce a reliable solar calendar date, while the way I am explaining maintains a solid, steady and predictable solar year even after more than 5000 years.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Ok, I see what you are saying that for every 4 years the Long Count is off a year, thus in solar years over a 5000 year period it is off by 24 solar years, thus coming up with that 1988 date.

Again, I have never heard of that theory before ever! You are saying the GMT correlation is off quite a bit. Have you ever emailed this logic and brought it up to other Mayan calendar researchers out there. Maybe email John Major Jenkins and sees what he thinks of that theory?

To me, right off, it doesn't sound right. I believe the GMT correlation is the most accurate and I can explain more as to why later and put it into simple terms.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

The thing is that it is just a calendar for tallying the days and keeping track of time. There is no other significance. The only importance of the 13 baktun cycle is that it marks 1/5 of a full zodiac precession. Any cycle is divided into 5 parts based on the old number system.

Everybody has just assumed the GMT correlation is right. Nobody really questions it, even when the glaring error of the supposed end date falling in a solar year where the date written cannot occur and the placement of the month is months off is staring them in the face.

This is what happens when you try to understand a foreign concept through western eyes. You try to make it fit with what you already know. The simplicity of the calendar can best be appreciated when you suspend western ideas and get into the numbers. It is so intricate yet so simple. The GMT was devised by coming up with a formula to convert a calendar date to a Julian date and then to our calendar. It is convoluted and defies the simplicity, of course leading to mistakes.

I and a few others have been trying to explain for years. I usually get flamed, ignored or banned for telling what I know on the internet. A lot of money has been made, not by Mayans over this scam. My only interest is that these lies have been attributed to a noble people and now that the lies are exposed and nothing happened in 2012, people will say the Mayas were wrong. No they weren't. The 2012 merchants were wrong.

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12/25/2012 01:25 PM

Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

waiting for more of your research results..................fascinating!

After I looked through your information, it's an obvious mistake that they (the researchers) overlooked the year 0, which was mistakenly counted in as a full year.

Makes a lot of sense.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28780784

Thank you! More to come soon related to this and Comet ISON that very well could tie in nicely to why the Mayan calendar recycles next year at this time.

3ewewg
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12/25/2012 01:28 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The comet ison hs no chance of hitting earth sorry

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Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The comet ison hs no chance of hitting earth sorry

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12/25/2012 01:30 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The leap year was not needed, because the days started at different times of the day, depending on the ruling cardinal point of the year in question. If it was a year from the east, Ben, the year and all of the days in that year started at sunrise. After 18 Uinals, or solar months of 20 days each, an additional 5 days was added. The last day was extended until noon when the new year Etznab was ushered in. The years from the west started at sunset and the years from the south at midnight. After four years the extra day is accounted for, but not counted as a day. Therefore, according to the Thompson correlation, for every four years of his calculation, there is an error of 1 day. When we are talking about a cycle of more than 5000 years, it is significant.By the end of the cycle, the error is more than 24 solar years.

Using the Thompson correlation, the end date does not follow the logical sequence and it does not produce a reliable solar calendar date, while the way I am explaining maintains a solid, steady and predictable solar year even after more than 5000 years.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Ok, I see what you are saying that for every 4 years the Long Count is off a year, thus in solar years over a 5000 year period it is off by 24 solar years, thus coming up with that 1988 date.

Again, I have never heard of that theory before ever! You are saying the GMT correlation is off quite a bit. Have you ever emailed this logic and brought it up to other Mayan calendar researchers out there. Maybe email John Major Jenkins and sees what he thinks of that theory?

To me, right off, it doesn't sound right. I believe the GMT correlation is the most accurate and I can explain more as to why later and put it into simple terms.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

The thing is that it is just a calendar for tallying the days and keeping track of time. There is no other significance. The only importance of the 13 baktun cycle is that it marks 1/5 of a full zodiac precession. Any cycle is divided into 5 parts based on the old number system.

Everybody has just assumed the GMT correlation is right. Nobody really questions it, even when the glaring error of the supposed end date falling in a solar year where the date written cannot occur and the placement of the month is months off is staring them in the face.

This is what happens when you try to understand a foreign concept through western eyes. You try to make it fit with what you already know. The simplicity of the calendar can best be appreciated when you suspend western ideas and get into the numbers. It is so intricate yet so simple. The GMT was devised by coming up with a formula to convert a calendar date to a Julian date and then to our calendar. It is convoluted and defies the simplicity, of course leading to mistakes.

I and a few others have been trying to explain for years. I usually get flamed, ignored or banned for telling what I know on the internet. A lot of money has been made, not by Mayans over this scam. My only interest is that these lies have been attributed to a noble people and now that the lies are exposed and nothing happened in 2012, people will say the Mayas were wrong. No they weren't. The 2012 merchants were wrong.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Ok, I respect your idea and thoughts on this. I can see what you are saying somewhat. I still don't know how you get to that date to well. It is kind of confusing if you ask me. But anyways, I can show you pretty clearly later why the GMT is correct, and why the calendar ends on Dec. 16th, 2013 and recycles on Dec. 17th, 2013. Supposedly, I am not the only one that has figured this out as I posted earlier on this thread.

I will make it so clear cut to understand this logic. It might take me time to compile my thoughts and research and lay it out clearly.

And then you will be able to see so clearly when it is all said and done, why Dec. 21st, 2012 was an obvious lie or complete misconception or a Homer "DOOOHHH" moment, and why Dec. 16th, 2013 is the REAL DEAL!

3ewewg
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12/25/2012 01:34 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The comet ison hs no chance of hitting earth sorry
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30794986



But according to some astronomers, it could be the most impressive comet in centuries!

It is a fairly large, sun grazing comet.

It could outshine the Moon and be seen even during the day.

And this is what intrigues me this most if you failed to read over this thread fully.

Sun-Grazing Comets As Triggers For Electromagnetic Armageddon
[link to www.forbes.com]

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3ewewg
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12/25/2012 01:39 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

So every one who studied the calender like over hundreds of people are wrong but 1 person is right interesting

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12/25/2012 02:22 PM
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So every one who studied the calender like over hundreds of people are wrong but 1 person is right interesting
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30794986

Here are the Mayan calendar researchers who studied it and arrived to certain dates and correlations. Out of these, the GMT is the most accurate.

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But the big discrepency is Year 0 was included. Dooh! putin

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12/25/2012 03:00 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Only one of those researchers has the solar month right, Ramos. How can the correlation be the more correct if the solar date is not constant?

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12/25/2012 03:05 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Only one of those researchers has the solar month right, Ramos. How can the correlation be the more correct if the solar date is not constant?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Can you please explain how? I am still confused with your dates.

3ewewg
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12/25/2012 03:36 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The start date is recorded as 8 Cumkhu. This is a solar calendar date, like saying 10th of May to us. We all know that the 10th of May can only happen in May. Not in December, not in July. Only in May.

The length of the long cycle is 5200 Tun, or 5200 x 360 days. The Tun is not the solar year. The solar year component appears in the old dates as a means to indicate the name of the day, the month and day of the month it falls on, and since a day can only have the same name every 52 years, each day name in a 52 year solar cycle of years is unique and repeats every 52 years.

The long cycle corresponds to 5128 solar years plus 280 days. Do the math and tell me this is wrong. It isn't.

For a moment, lets forget about correlations and just use logic and counting. If the start date is 8 Cumkhu, in order to know the name of the day of the month that the end date will occur, we have to count forward in the months 280 days. Which brings us to 3 Kankin, as it is written. Try it and see I am right:

Starting at 8 Cumkhu we count the remaining 12 days of Cumkhu and since Cumkhu is the last full month of the solar year, we add the 5 Uayeb

Cumkhu 12
Uayeb 5
Pop 20
Uo 20
Zip 20
Zodz 20
Tzec 20
Xul 20
Yaxkin 20
Mol 20
Chen 20
Yax 20
Zac 20
Ceh 20
Mac 20
Kankin 0, 1, 2

This brings the new cycle to 3 Kankin, as it should, as it is written in Mayan lands.

Now this means that likewise, whatever day we chose as a possible start date in a correlation, the end date must correspond to a date 280 days after on the solar calendar. So if the start date was in July, it would mean that the end of cycle could never be in December or any other time but April.

The people I know don't need correlations because they never stopped counting. That's why by their method they can still know exactly where they are in the solar cycle, they can still predict with accuracy the solar transits of the zenith and nadir, the eclipses and the Venus cycle, while the GMT correlation does none of those things.
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Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Did you take the Calendar Act of 1751 into account?
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Did you take the Calendar Act of 1751 into account?
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Irrelavant to the case.

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12/25/2012 04:11 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The start date is recorded as 8 Cumkhu. This is a solar calendar date, like saying 10th of May to us. We all know that the 10th of May can only happen in May. Not in December, not in July. Only in May.

The length of the long cycle is 5200 Tun, or 5200 x 360 days. The Tun is not the solar year. The solar year component appears in the old dates as a means to indicate the name of the day, the month and day of the month it falls on, and since a day can only have the same name every 52 years, each day name in a 52 year solar cycle of years is unique and repeats every 52 years.

The long cycle corresponds to 5128 solar years plus 280 days. Do the math and tell me this is wrong. It isn't.

For a moment, lets forget about correlations and just use logic and counting. If the start date is 8 Cumkhu, in order to know the name of the day of the month that the end date will occur, we have to count forward in the months 280 days. Which brings us to 3 Kankin, as it is written. Try it and see I am right:

Starting at 8 Cumkhu we count the remaining 12 days of Cumkhu and since Cumkhu is the last full month of the solar year, we add the 5 Uayeb

Cumkhu 12
Uayeb 5
Pop 20
Uo 20
Zip 20
Zodz 20
Tzec 20
Xul 20
Yaxkin 20
Mol 20
Chen 20
Yax 20
Zac 20
Ceh 20
Mac 20
Kankin 0, 1, 2

This brings the new cycle to 3 Kankin, as it should, as it is written in Mayan lands.

Now this means that likewise, whatever day we chose as a possible start date in a correlation, the end date must correspond to a date 280 days after on the solar calendar. So if the start date was in July, it would mean that the end of cycle could never be in December or any other time but April.

The people I know don't need correlations because they never stopped counting. That's why by their method they can still know exactly where they are in the solar cycle, they can still predict with accuracy the solar transits of the zenith and nadir, the eclipses and the Venus cycle, while the GMT correlation does none of those things.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385


Ok, it is still pretty confusing what you wrote and explaining it. I mean, this is nowhere to be found in Mayan books or the Internet to understand it more. This is kind of making me think that this whole new Mayan calendar calculation thing you have is like a New Jerusalem Russ calendar.

The GMT is most accurate when it comes to eclipses, etc. That is how they figured it out.

Where is 8 Cumkhu recorded anyways in a Mayan glyph? I don't believe there is anything out there, any glyph that shows the Dec. 21st, 2012 date. It was all calculated by the beginning date, and that is how they got to it. Now I have to see if the beginning date of the Mayan calendar has ever been clearly shown in a glyph.

More to look into related to this, but I am sorry, I am not seeing at all how you are figuring out your calculations to the Mayan Long Count and why you say it ended in 1988 and why it is off by 24 years.

Does that mean, the Mayan calendar Long Count started 24 years before the beginning date of Aug. 13th, -3114?

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Did you take the Calendar Act of 1751 into account?
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Irrelavant to the case.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Why?
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Now for the correlation of the solar year ha'ab with our calendar.

The start of the calendar was different according to region because a solar calendar has to accurately and reliably predict when to plant, when it will rain, when it won't and in the tropics this changes quite a lot depending on altitude and how close you are to the coast.

The first day of the solar new year in the Yucatan was celebrated on July 24, which is the day when the sun crosses into the local southern hemisphere (2nd zenith transit).

The autumn equinox falls on 0 Zodz, the first transit of the nadir and the transit of the Pleiades on the local zenith at midnight happens on November 21, or 0 Yaxkin and the second transit of the nadir happens on 0 Yax. This is important.

The word Yax means young or green. Yaxkin is green or young sun. During the period between Yaxkin and Yax the sun is farthest from the local midheaven, it has gone to the south, land of the gods to be renewed. Yax happens on Jan. 20th, the name Young means that the sun has been renewed.

Likewise, the spring equinox falls on 0 Mac, March 21st and the first solar transit of the zenith happens on May 20, or 0 Pax, when the sun crosses into the local northern hemisphere. It isn't a coincidence that all of these important events fall on the first day of the Uinal. It is a very reliable calendar for agriculture, which is the basis of mesoamerican culture.

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Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Did you take the Calendar Act of 1751 into account?
Quoting: Paddy
Irrelavant to the case.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Agreed that it is not as significant as including an extra year by adding the year zero but still it is just a matter of counting days isn't it?

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12/25/2012 04:25 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The start date is recorded as 8 Cumkhu. This is a solar calendar date, like saying 10th of May to us. We all know that the 10th of May can only happen in May. Not in December, not in July. Only in May.

The length of the long cycle is 5200 Tun, or 5200 x 360 days. The Tun is not the solar year. The solar year component appears in the old dates as a means to indicate the name of the day, the month and day of the month it falls on, and since a day can only have the same name every 52 years, each day name in a 52 year solar cycle of years is unique and repeats every 52 years.

The long cycle corresponds to 5128 solar years plus 280 days. Do the math and tell me this is wrong. It isn't.

For a moment, lets forget about correlations and just use logic and counting. If the start date is 8 Cumkhu, in order to know the name of the day of the month that the end date will occur, we have to count forward in the months 280 days. Which brings us to 3 Kankin, as it is written. Try it and see I am right:

Starting at 8 Cumkhu we count the remaining 12 days of Cumkhu and since Cumkhu is the last full month of the solar year, we add the 5 Uayeb

Cumkhu 12
Uayeb 5
Pop 20
Uo 20
Zip 20
Zodz 20
Tzec 20
Xul 20
Yaxkin 20
Mol 20
Chen 20
Yax 20
Zac 20
Ceh 20
Mac 20
Kankin 0, 1, 2

This brings the new cycle to 3 Kankin, as it should, as it is written in Mayan lands.

Now this means that likewise, whatever day we chose as a possible start date in a correlation, the end date must correspond to a date 280 days after on the solar calendar. So if the start date was in July, it would mean that the end of cycle could never be in December or any other time but April.

The people I know don't need correlations because they never stopped counting. That's why by their method they can still know exactly where they are in the solar cycle, they can still predict with accuracy the solar transits of the zenith and nadir, the eclipses and the Venus cycle, while the GMT correlation does none of those things.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Ok, it is still pretty confusing what you wrote and explaining it. I mean, this is nowhere to be found in Mayan books or the Internet to understand it more. This is kind of making me think that this whole new Mayan calendar calculation thing you have is like a New Jerusalem Russ calendar.

The GMT is most accurate when it comes to eclipses, etc. That is how they figured it out.

Where is 8 Cumkhu recorded anyways in a Mayan glyph? I don't believe there is anything out there, any glyph that shows the Dec. 21st, 2012 date. It was all calculated by the beginning date, and that is how they got to it. Now I have to see if the beginning date of the Mayan calendar has ever been clearly shown in a glyph.

More to look into related to this, but I am sorry, I am not seeing at all how you are figuring out your calculations to the Mayan Long Count and why you say it ended in 1988 and why it is off by 24 years.

Does that mean, the Mayan calendar Long Count started 24 years before the beginning date of Aug. 13th, -3114?
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Lots of places, namely the Dresden Codex. It is written as a ring date in the 9th Baktun, because the ring dates indicate where the solar and tun cycles coincide. This date is also noted in songs and on countless monuments and stele.
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12/25/2012 04:27 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Or you could count backwards 280 days from 3 kankin and it will confirm that the start date had to be 8 cumkhu.

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12/25/2012 04:29 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

OP What makes you believe the calendar start date is correct ? TO know when it ends you need to know were it starts this is were you should start do your own research you CAN find the answer

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12/25/2012 04:48 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

OP What makes you believe the calendar start date is correct ? TO know when it ends you need to know were it starts this is were you should start do your own research you CAN find the answer

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1028311

What you need to know is the full calendar date for the same event recorded in both ways. With that you can narrow it down. The arrival of Cortes is noted by natives in the old fashion and by the Spaniards in their own, so it really isn't that hard. Honestly folks. Throw out the complicated formulas. It is really very simple, you lose the true amazingness of the calendar when you try to see it through western eyes and adapt it to our less perfect calendar. The inscriptions give us a start date. They give us an end date, and both of these dates include the name of the day and it's placement in the month in course. We know that a day name paired with a solar date can only happen once every 52 years, so it really narrows it down for us. If the end date is 3 Kankin, we know that whatever the year, it will have to be in April during the month of Kankin, 4th day to be precise. From this we can deduce what the year in course was called. In this case, the only year that can have a day named 4 Ahau 3 Kankin is 2 Etznab. We can therefore discard any years that don't fall on 2 Etznab as being possible end date candidates.

We know that the year that Cortes arrived was 1519/20 which was known to be the year One Ben. The Mayans didn't believe in Quetzalcoatl. He was imposed during the Toltec expansion and the times of the Triple Alliance, but by 1520 the people had abandoned their cities and gone back to their old ways. But the Aztecs did believe in Quetzalcoatl. The year for them was Ce Acatl, One Cane and it was the year that it was prophecied that their god would return. This is the only reason why he was allowed to enter Tenochtitlan. We also know that the year that follows 1 Ben is 2 Etznab, coincidentally the name of the only year that can have a day called 4 Ahau 3 Kankin, the only year where the 13 Baktun cycle can end. So knowing this, the only years where the end date would be possible are the ones I gave in an earlier post. The most recent was 1988. If the timekeepers that held the ceremony were wrong, it only means that it couldn't happen until 2040. All other months besides April are impossible. All other years besides 1936, 1988, 2040 are impossible. Staring everyone right in the face is the proof that the GMT correlation is wrong, but people are so caught up in the convoluted attempts to make this calendar fit their own, and with no real knowledge of Mayan philosophy that the real cool thing about the Mayan calender is lost on them.
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12/25/2012 05:27 PM
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This is an interesting read:

[link to abcnews.go.com]

3ewewg
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12/25/2012 05:28 PM
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OP Excellent work the anwser is within your post the modern what we call myans are believers the calendar builders were knowers
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12/25/2012 05:35 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I am sorry but I am sticking by the tried and true GMT correlation. It has too much support to deny it. Thus, with your dates, and how you think the Mayan calendar is off by 24 years, I am not even going to try to figure out your logic. It is like trying to figure out the New Jerusalem Russ calendar.

"The Maya and Western calendars are correlated by using a Julian day number (JDN) of the starting date of the current creation – 13.0.0.0.0 4 Ajaw, 8 Kumk'u.[n 4] This is referred to as a correlation constant. The generally accepted correlation constant is the Modified Thompson 2, "Goodman, Juan H. Martinez-Hernandez, Thompson" – GMT correlation of 584,283 days.Using the GMT correlation the current creation started on September 6, 3114 BC (Julian) or August 11 in the Proleptic Gregorian calendar. The study of correlating the Maya and western calendar is referred to as the correlation question.[7][8][9][10][11] In Breaking the Maya Code, Michael D. Coe writes: "In spite of oceans of ink that have been spilled on the subject, there now is not the slightest chance that these three scholars (conflated to GMT when talking about the correlation) were not right...".[12]

The evidence for the GMT correlation is historical, astronomical, and archaeological:

Historical: Calendar Round dates with a corresponding Julian date are recorded in Diego de Landa's Relación de las cosas de Yucatán, the Chronicle of Oxcutzkab and the books of Chilam Balam. Oxcutzkab and de Landa record a date that is a Tun ending. Regarding these historical references in The Skywatchers Aveni writes: "All the assembled data are consistent with the equation November 2, 1539 = 11.16.0.0.0. Thus for the GMT, or 11.16 correlation we find that A = 584,283...".[13] The fall of the capital city of the Aztec Empire, Tenochtitlan, occurred on August 13, 1521. A number of different chroniclers wrote that this was a Tzolk'in (Tonalpohualli) of 1 Snake. Post-conquest scholars such as Sahagun and Duran recorded Aztec calendar dates with a calendar date. Many indigenous communities in the Mexican states of Veracruz, Oaxaca and Chiapas[14] and in Guatemala, principally those speaking the Mayan languages Ixil, Mam, Pokomchí, and Quiché, keep the Tzolk'in and in many cases the Haab'.[15] These are all consistent with the GMT correlation.

Astronomical: Any correct correlation must match the astronomical content of classic inscriptions. The GMT correlation does an excellent job of matching lunar data in the supplementary series.[16] For example: An inscription at the Temple of the Sun at Palenque records that on Long Count 9.16.4.10.8 there were 26 days completed in a 30 day lunation.[17] This Long Count is also the entry date for the eclipse table of the Dresden Codex[18] [n 5] which gives eclipse seasons when the Moon is near its ascending or descending node and an eclipse is likely to occur. Dates converted using the GMT correlation fall roughly in this eclipse season. The Dresden Codex contains a Venus table which records the heliacal risings of Venus. The GMT correlation agrees with these to within a few days which is as accurately as these could have been observed by the ancient Maya.

Archaeological: Various items that can be associated with specific Long Count dates have been isotope dated. In 1959 the University of Pennsylvania carbon dated samples from ten wood lintels from Tikal.[27] These were carved with a date equivalent to 741 AD using the GMT correlation. The average carbon date was 746±34 years."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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East side of stela C, Quirigua with the mythical creation date of 13 baktuns, 0 katuns, 0 tuns, 0 uinals, 0 kins, 4 Ahau 8 Cumku - August 11, 3114 BCE in the proleptic Gregorian calendar.

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/25/2012 06:27 PM

3ewewg
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12/25/2012 06:16 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I'll have to tell the timekeepers they have been doing it wrong all these years and that they should check out Wikepedia. ROFLMAO!! I think the OP and most of the researchers have too much invested in their attempts to make this calendar fit with their own that they resist logic and simplicity. You have to understand that the cycles that make up different instances of the calendar are very predictable and constant. The GMT calculation counts days that were absorbed by the practice of extending the last day of a solar year by one quarter of a day. This is why a date that should be in April occurs in December using the GMT correlation. If you forget about the GMT and other similar formulas, if you actually sit down and work it out based on the fact that a solar calendar follows the same solar cycle as the one we use, it's just partitioned differently, then we can easily find the correlation. Anyways, I have said enough and it's falling on deaf ears because so few want truth, they prefer to show off what they think they know.
Revelator Stargate (OP)

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12/25/2012 06:24 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I'll have to tell the timekeepers they have been doing it wrong all these years and that they should check out Wikepedia. ROFLMAO!! I think the OP and most of the researchers have too much invested in their attempts to make this calendar fit with their own that they resist logic and simplicity. You have to understand that the cycles that make up different instances of the calendar are very predictable and constant. The GMT calculation counts days that were absorbed by the practice of extending the last day of a solar year by one quarter of a day. This is why a date that should be in April occurs in December using the GMT correlation. If you forget about the GMT and other similar formulas, if you actually sit down and work it out based on the fact that a solar calendar follows the same solar cycle as the one we use, it's just partitioned differently, then we can easily find the correlation. Anyways, I have said enough and it's falling on deaf ears because so few want truth, they prefer to show off what they think they know.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

I am not going to argue. You have your own theory as to whatever it is.

Calleman, Jenkins, Stray, Coe, etc. etc. all consider GMT as the correct correlation.

And the GMT correlation was agreed upon three people that had numerous experience and expertise in calendars, archeology, and astronomy. So it is hard to argue there. But where I am saying they are wrong figuring out the end date was they included year 0, which shouldn't have been done. As to why they did that, I have no idea.

But I can cleary show later, why Dec. 16th, 2013 adds up perfectly. And if you can't see the logic behind it, than I am sorry.

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/26/2012 02:19 AM

3ewewg
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12/25/2012 06:29 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I'll have to tell the timekeepers they have been doing it wrong all these years and that they should check out Wikepedia. ROFLMAO!! I think the OP and most of the researchers have too much invested in their attempts to make this calendar fit with their own that they resist logic and simplicity. You have to understand that the cycles that make up different instances of the calendar are very predictable and constant. The GMT calculation counts days that were absorbed by the practice of extending the last day of a solar year by one quarter of a day. This is why a date that should be in April occurs in December using the GMT correlation. If you forget about the GMT and other similar formulas, if you actually sit down and work it out based on the fact that a solar calendar follows the same solar cycle as the one we use, it's just partitioned differently, then we can easily find the correlation. Anyways, I have said enough and it's falling on deaf ears because so few want truth, they prefer to show off what they think they know.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Let me ask, do you agree that August 11, 3114 BC was the beginning of the Long count calendar?

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/25/2012 06:30 PM

3ewewg
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12/25/2012 06:33 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I'll have to tell the timekeepers they have been doing it wrong all these years and that they should check out Wikepedia. ROFLMAO!! I think the OP and most of the researchers have too much invested in their attempts to make this calendar fit with their own that they resist logic and simplicity. You have to understand that the cycles that make up different instances of the calendar are very predictable and constant. The GMT calculation counts days that were absorbed by the practice of extending the last day of a solar year by one quarter of a day. This is why a date that should be in April occurs in December using the GMT correlation. If you forget about the GMT and other similar formulas, if you actually sit down and work it out based on the fact that a solar calendar follows the same solar cycle as the one we use, it's just partitioned differently, then we can easily find the correlation. Anyways, I have said enough and it's falling on deaf ears because so few want truth, they prefer to show off what they think they know.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Let me ask, do you agree that August 11, 3114 BC was the beginning of the Long count calendar?
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No, I don't agree. 8 Cumkhu is the same as July 7th, and the year is 3140 BC.

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Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

there is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER the Mayans witnessed amazing sights, and experienced civilisation ending events.

if we are 1 5200th out in our calculations, or in other words, if ONE year was missed out somehow, next year could well be it

Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/25/2012 06:52 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I'll have to tell the timekeepers they have been doing it wrong all these years and that they should check out Wikepedia. ROFLMAO!! I think the OP and most of the researchers have too much invested in their attempts to make this calendar fit with their own that they resist logic and simplicity. You have to understand that the cycles that make up different instances of the calendar are very predictable and constant. The GMT calculation counts days that were absorbed by the practice of extending the last day of a solar year by one quarter of a day. This is why a date that should be in April occurs in December using the GMT correlation. If you forget about the GMT and other similar formulas, if you actually sit down and work it out based on the fact that a solar calendar follows the same solar cycle as the one we use, it's just partitioned differently, then we can easily find the correlation. Anyways, I have said enough and it's falling on deaf ears because so few want truth, they prefer to show off what they think they know.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Let me ask, do you agree that August 11, 3114 BC was the beginning of the Long count calendar?
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No, I don't agree. 8 Cumkhu is the same as July 7th, and the year is 3140 BC.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

This is the calendar convertor tool.

[link to www.diagnosis2012.co.uk]

What you have to understand that in order for the cycle to be complete. The Long Count has to be at the end of its cycle, the Tzolkin has to be at the end of its cycle, and the Haab has to be at the end of its cycle. It is like the gears have to be perfectly in tuned. December 21st, 2012 didn't have all 3 gears perfectly interlocked thus it fails.

This should explain it well.



Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/25/2012 06:56 PM

3ewewg
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12/25/2012 07:01 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

I'll have to tell the timekeepers they have been doing it wrong all these years and that they should check out Wikepedia. ROFLMAO!! I think the OP and most of the researchers have too much invested in their attempts to make this calendar fit with their own that they resist logic and simplicity. You have to understand that the cycles that make up different instances of the calendar are very predictable and constant. The GMT calculation counts days that were absorbed by the practice of extending the last day of a solar year by one quarter of a day. This is why a date that should be in April occurs in December using the GMT correlation. If you forget about the GMT and other similar formulas, if you actually sit down and work it out based on the fact that a solar calendar follows the same solar cycle as the one we use, it's just partitioned differently, then we can easily find the correlation. Anyways, I have said enough and it's falling on deaf ears because so few want truth, they prefer to show off what they think they know.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Let me ask, do you agree that August 11, 3114 BC was the beginning of the Long count calendar?
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No, I don't agree. 8 Cumkhu is the same as July 7th, and the year is 3140 BC.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

This is the calendar convertor tool.

[link to www.diagnosis2012.co.uk]

What you have to understand that in order for the cycle to be complete. The Long Count has to be at the end of its cycle, the Tzolkin has to be at the end of its cycle, and the Haab has to be at the end of its cycle. It is like the gears have to be perfectly in tuned. December 21st, 2012 didn't have all 3 gears perfectly interlocked thus it fails.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No it doesn't. How do you explain that a solar calendar from a supposedly advanced civilization doesn't accurately predict when a month occurs?

As for the order of Katuns, you have it wrong. Very wrong.

The order is as follows:

4 Ahau
2 Ahau
13 Ahau
11 Ahau
9 Ahau
7 Ahau
5 Ahau
3 Ahau
1 Ahau
12 Ahau
10 Ahau
8 Ahau
6 Ahau

4 Ahau

The name of the Katun is taken from the name of the day that the renewal occurs. It will always be Ahau and it will always follow the above sequence in order. It counts out 7200 days.

Do the counting and you will see that I am right.
Revelator Stargate (OP)

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12/25/2012 07:18 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012
...

Let me ask, do you agree that August 11, 3114 BC was the beginning of the Long count calendar?
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No, I don't agree. 8 Cumkhu is the same as July 7th, and the year is 3140 BC.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

This is the calendar convertor tool.

[link to www.diagnosis2012.co.uk]

What you have to understand that in order for the cycle to be complete. The Long Count has to be at the end of its cycle, the Tzolkin has to be at the end of its cycle, and the Haab has to be at the end of its cycle. It is like the gears have to be perfectly in tuned. December 21st, 2012 didn't have all 3 gears perfectly interlocked thus it fails.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No it doesn't. How do you explain that a solar calendar from a supposedly advanced civilization doesn't accurately predict when a month occurs?

As for the order of Katuns, you have it wrong. Very wrong.

The order is as follows:

4 Ahau
2 Ahau
13 Ahau
11 Ahau
9 Ahau
7 Ahau
5 Ahau
3 Ahau
1 Ahau
12 Ahau
10 Ahau
8 Ahau
6 Ahau

4 Ahau

The name of the Katun is taken from the name of the day that the renewal occurs. It will always be Ahau and it will always follow the above sequence in order. It counts out 7200 days.

Do the counting and you will see that I am right.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Ah ha! I see how you are miscalculating it wrong. I did the same thing 3 years ago when I was trying to figure it out. You start counting the katuns beginning at 13 Ahau, and then so on.

I will clearly show you why this is the case later.

3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10422385
Canada
12/25/2012 07:25 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012
...

No, I don't agree. 8 Cumkhu is the same as July 7th, and the year is 3140 BC.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

This is the calendar convertor tool.

[link to www.diagnosis2012.co.uk]

What you have to understand that in order for the cycle to be complete. The Long Count has to be at the end of its cycle, the Tzolkin has to be at the end of its cycle, and the Haab has to be at the end of its cycle. It is like the gears have to be perfectly in tuned. December 21st, 2012 didn't have all 3 gears perfectly interlocked thus it fails.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No it doesn't. How do you explain that a solar calendar from a supposedly advanced civilization doesn't accurately predict when a month occurs?

As for the order of Katuns, you have it wrong. Very wrong.

The order is as follows:

4 Ahau
2 Ahau
13 Ahau
11 Ahau
9 Ahau
7 Ahau
5 Ahau
3 Ahau
1 Ahau
12 Ahau
10 Ahau
8 Ahau
6 Ahau

4 Ahau

The name of the Katun is taken from the name of the day that the renewal occurs. It will always be Ahau and it will always follow the above sequence in order. It counts out 7200 days.

Do the counting and you will see that I am right.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Ah ha! I see how you are miscalculating it wrong. I did the same thing 3 years ago when I was trying to figure it out. You start counting the katuns beginning at 13 Ahau, and then so on.

I will clearly show you why this is the case later.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No, the start date is 4 Ahau and the end date is also 4 Ahau. Listen OP. I don't need calendar calculators and correlation formulas. The calendar has continued to be counted in a place I will not name since the Mayas abandoned their cities. Nobody ever asked the people that actually know. All of the people that say they know on the internet are white, westerners and do not speak any Mayan. And when someone like me tries to share this unadalterated knowledge, it is brushed off. Paternalistic colonial attitudes still going strong in the 21st century.

Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
United States
12/25/2012 07:33 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012
...

This is the calendar convertor tool.

[link to www.diagnosis2012.co.uk]

What you have to understand that in order for the cycle to be complete. The Long Count has to be at the end of its cycle, the Tzolkin has to be at the end of its cycle, and the Haab has to be at the end of its cycle. It is like the gears have to be perfectly in tuned. December 21st, 2012 didn't have all 3 gears perfectly interlocked thus it fails.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No it doesn't. How do you explain that a solar calendar from a supposedly advanced civilization doesn't accurately predict when a month occurs?

As for the order of Katuns, you have it wrong. Very wrong.

The order is as follows:

4 Ahau
2 Ahau
13 Ahau
11 Ahau
9 Ahau
7 Ahau
5 Ahau
3 Ahau
1 Ahau
12 Ahau
10 Ahau
8 Ahau
6 Ahau

4 Ahau

The name of the Katun is taken from the name of the day that the renewal occurs. It will always be Ahau and it will always follow the above sequence in order. It counts out 7200 days.

Do the counting and you will see that I am right.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Ah ha! I see how you are miscalculating it wrong. I did the same thing 3 years ago when I was trying to figure it out. You start counting the katuns beginning at 13 Ahau, and then so on.

I will clearly show you why this is the case later.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No, the start date is 4 Ahau and the end date is also 4 Ahau. Listen OP. I don't need calendar calculators and correlation formulas. The calendar has continued to be counted in a place I will not name since the Mayas abandoned their cities. Nobody ever asked the people that actually know. All of the people that say they know on the internet are white, westerners and do not speak any Mayan. And when someone like me tries to share this unadalterated knowledge, it is brushed off. Paternalistic colonial attitudes still going strong in the 21st century.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

You are clearly not getting it. Yes, the beginning of the calendar started on a 4 Ahau. 0.0.0.0.0

What I am doing is that you have to truly begin the calendar at year 1, not year 0. Um do we count the Gregorian calendar with a year 0? No! There is no such thing as a year 0. Pretty common logic right? So why do the Mayan calendar researchers included year 0 in their calculations? Doesn't make any sense at all!

So year 1 or 0.0.1.0.0 is

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

And thus we begin to start counting the baktuns and katuns at year 1, not year 0, even though true zero in the Mayan Long Count is a 4 Ahau.

Do you still not understand?

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/25/2012 07:36 PM

xxxxxxx

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12/25/2012 09:39 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Yes, I know what you are saying, but you are not understanding what I am saying. My point is that your approach is wrong. You are trying to make a calendar system that is based on a vigesimal number system and which produced a very accurate calendar for people living in the tropics obey our imperfect calendar, which is suited to latitudes 30 - 45 and uses a different number system. This unduly complicates matters and you start missing the intricate details that emerge when you crunch the numbers. The only way to disprove what I say is do the exercises, don't depend on someone elses formulas and correlation engines. It looks to me like you don't want to do the work and prefer to carry on down a path away from real knowledge. I don't want to piss on your thread anymore, but I have left more than enough information for people to do the counting and follow the logic to confirm or debunk what I claim.

All you apparently have is a correlation written by two guys that sacked and raided treasures from our communities and a bunch of internet "experts", none of them Mayan and Wikepedia. Any work you do based on that will not lead you to the right answer, because your approach is flawed.

I have seen it in action where it never stopped being calculated and know it works, have tested it in the places it was invented. You will never convince me, because I have been where you are on the path to learning. I read lots, and then tested the theories where they were used and found out that those correlations are wrong. It was later confirmed that I was right by the people that have kept the count going. I didn't just assume those correlations and I did the work and proved to myself that 2012 or any correlation that ends in December is wrong, I was able to let go of what I thought I knew and learned something new and stunningly intricate and simple.

I hope you sell lots of books to others that can't let go. Nice to see people can still make a buck off of us injuns

Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
United States
12/25/2012 09:51 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Yes, I know what you are saying, but you are not understanding what I am saying. My point is that your approach is wrong. You are trying to make a calendar system that is based on a vigesimal number system and which produced a very accurate calendar for people living in the tropics obey our imperfect calendar, which is suited to latitudes 30 - 45 and uses a different number system. This unduly complicates matters and you start missing the intricate details that emerge when you crunch the numbers. The only way to disprove what I say is do the exercises, don't depend on someone elses formulas and correlation engines. It looks to me like you don't want to do the work and prefer to carry on down a path away from real knowledge. I don't want to piss on your thread anymore, but I have left more than enough information for people to do the counting and follow the logic to confirm or debunk what I claim.

All you apparently have is a correlation written by two guys that sacked and raided treasures from our communities and a bunch of internet "experts", none of them Mayan and Wikepedia. Any work you do based on that will not lead you to the right answer, because your approach is flawed.

I have seen it in action where it never stopped being calculated and know it works, have tested it in the places it was invented. You will never convince me, because I have been where you are on the path to learning. I read lots, and then tested the theories where they were used and found out that those correlations are wrong. It was later confirmed that I was right by the people that have kept the count going. I didn't just assume those correlations and I did the work and proved to myself that 2012 or any correlation that ends in December is wrong, I was able to let go of what I thought I knew and learned something new and stunningly intricate and simple.

I hope you sell lots of books to others that can't let go. Nice to see people can still make a buck off of us injuns
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

I still don't know how you arrived to 3140 BC for the Long Count beginning or 1988 as being the end of the Long Count cycle or who came up with that. I don't see your theory anywhere on the Internet or correlations that I can figure out. I would at least see some sort of information about that in the vast Internet world related to your dates but I don't ANYWHERE. hmmm You said that not many Mayan actually know about this calendar cycle but only a select few. That tells me something right there!

If you want to believe in your correlations ,which is so confusing to understand, than go for it, that is fine by me. I can't convince you and I don't care for that matter, and no I am not going to write some book. All my research is free of charge.

I am sticking to the tried and true GMT correlation, which appears to be the most accurate than any other correlations. These people who came up with the GMT were experts in calenderics, astronomy, and archeology. Sure, there are some to this day, that still think the GMT correlation is off. Well i can understand why, because things don't add up because zero year was included in the calculation, which messes everything up, especially when it comes to figuring out katun cycles.

And regardless of what day YOUR Mayan calendar falls on and ends, it must be at the end of the 13th Long Count, the end of the 13th Tzolkin month, and the end of the 20th sacred Haab day for it to work.

Again, I will show you the calculations more in depth later but at this point you probably don't even care.

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/26/2012 02:11 AM

3ewewg
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12/25/2012 10:10 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The tried and true GMT correlation that gives you a solar calendar date that desynchronizes from the solar cycle by one day every 4 years. It's like saying that next year the day named Tuesday March 4th will happen on August 28th of 2022. That would make no sense at all, just like your argument doesn't make any sense at all.

Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/25/2012 10:18 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The tried and true GMT correlation that gives you a solar calendar date that desynchronizes from the solar cycle by one day every 4 years. It's like saying that next year the day named Tuesday March 4th will happen on August 28th of 2022. That would make no sense at all, just like your argument doesn't make any sense at all.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

It is not my agruement. You are disagreeing with everyone that helped calculate the Gregorian and Julian calendars and the experts that figured out that GMT correlation. You are argueing with them, not me.

Again, no where to be found on the Internet is your theory about how the GMT correlation desynchronizes from the solar cycle every 4 years or the Mayan calendar beginning in -3140 BC and ending in 1988 AD. Do you know who New Jerusalem Russ is? LOL

Hey, at least my end date of Dec. 16th, 2013 was figured out by someone else too a few year ago, and I think they figured it out in a completely different way than me.

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/25/2012 10:18 PM

3ewewg
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12/25/2012 10:54 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

So essentially you are saying that the real Mayans who have kept the count all these years are wrong, and the westerners that don't know the language, the history and the philosophical connotations of the symbols know better. At least the people I know can use the calendar to predict when the seasons will occur, and not have a month called by a name that represents the concept of the driest time of the year (Kankin, yellow or old sun) happening in December instead of April.

I will let them know they are wrong and all of the timekeepers since the end of the Triple Alliance have been wrong too. They will get a good laugh at you.
Revelator Stargate (OP)

User ID: 1507989
United States
12/25/2012 10:59 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

So essentially you are saying that the real Mayans who have kept the count all these years are wrong, and the westerners that don't know the language, the history and the philosophical connotations of the symbols know better. At least the people I know can use the calendar to predict when the seasons will occur, and not have a month called by a name that represents the concept of the driest time of the year (Kankin, yellow or old sun) happening in December instead of April.

I will let them know they are wrong and all of the timekeepers since the end of the Triple Alliance have been wrong too. They will get a good laugh at you.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Laugh at not me but all of the ones who came up with the GMT correlation, Julian calendar calculations and Gregorian.

Even you said only a select few Mayans know what kind of calendar you have or are talking about. Sounds like you are the Mayan New Jerusalem Russ to me.

I only laugh at how they included year 0 in their calculations.

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/25/2012 11:00 PM

3ewewg
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12/25/2012 11:57 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012


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Thread: Daylight Comet coming SOON

Comet ISON Will Be Visible During The Day,Discoverers Announce

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Nostradamus

Quatrain II.46
After great misery for mankind an even greater one approaches, when the great cycle of the centuries is renewed. It will rain blood, milk, famine, war and disease. In the sky will be seen a fire, dragging a tail of sparks.

(When is the great cycle of centuries renewed as described above? Yup, Dec. 16th, 2013 of the Mayan Long Count calendar).

Quatrain II.41
The great star for seven days will burn, The cloud will cause two suns to appear: The big mastiff all night will howl, When the great pontiff changes countries.

[link to www.december212012.com]



Sun-Grazing Comets As Triggers For Electromagnetic Armageddon

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Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/26/2012 02:09 AM

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/26/2012 01:29 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Again, just read this:

[link to www.exkavier.com]

Interesting isn't it that this woman, whom I am going to email soon to discuss my same discovery got to the same end and cycle Mayan Long Calendar date as I did, and apparently she came up with it in an entirely different way than me?

It is quite chilling.



Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/26/2012 01:39 AM

3ewewg
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12/26/2012 01:44 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/26/2012 01:46 AM





3ewewg
Questioner
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12/26/2012 07:13 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

What will you do if it turns out that the world doesn't end when you think it does? Will you admit that everything you've said has been bogus?

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10422385
Canada
12/26/2012 07:22 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Well, waste your time defiling a very simple time counting mechanism. I thought you might be open to the real thing, but you aren't. I am not the only person that says this, but they don't have websites or youtube videos and they don't speak English. Some of them don't even have electricity. If you read Spanish, try reading Bolio. He is one of the best. He actually speaks Mayan and has lived among Mayan speaking peoples for a long time. He also hasn't done anything dickhead to pervert the traditions. There are also some archives in the university in the western Yucatan by Miguel Espinosa V. also in Spanish. They may be hard to find. Problem is, that nobody wants to listen to the descendants unless we dress in funny pseudo Mayan clothes and call ourselves Mayan sounding names. If we can play a flute and drum, even better. But if you want real knowledge, ask a whitie like Calleman. Anyone who isn't too lazy to turn off youtube and use the information I have left can explore what I have said by doing the counting. I will leave the OP to his grand delusion.

Anonymous Coward
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12/26/2012 08:02 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Well, waste your time defiling a very simple time counting mechanism. I thought you might be open to the real thing, but you aren't. I am not the only person that says this, but they don't have websites or youtube videos and they don't speak English. Some of them don't even have electricity. If you read Spanish, try reading Bolio. He is one of the best. He actually speaks Mayan and has lived among Mayan speaking peoples for a long time. He also hasn't done anything dickhead to pervert the traditions. There are also some archives in the university in the western Yucatan by Miguel Espinosa V. also in Spanish. They may be hard to find. Problem is, that nobody wants to listen to the descendants unless we dress in funny pseudo Mayan clothes and call ourselves Mayan sounding names. If we can play a flute and drum, even better. But if you want real knowledge, ask a whitie like Calleman. Anyone who isn't too lazy to turn off youtube and use the information I have left can explore what I have said by doing the counting. I will leave the OP to his grand delusion.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385



xxxxxxx

Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

What will you do if it turns out that the world doesn't end when you think it does? Will you admit that everything you've said has been bogus?
Quoting: Questioner 30848433

Lets hope the GLP effect saves the day yet again!

3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30177801
United States
12/26/2012 12:35 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Done with the Mayan calendar bull. Move on
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30669939
it was a grand scam. maya means illusion in hindu.

Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/26/2012 12:45 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Well, waste your time defiling a very simple time counting mechanism. I thought you might be open to the real thing, but you aren't. I am not the only person that says this, but they don't have websites or youtube videos and they don't speak English. Some of them don't even have electricity. If you read Spanish, try reading Bolio. He is one of the best. He actually speaks Mayan and has lived among Mayan speaking peoples for a long time. He also hasn't done anything dickhead to pervert the traditions. There are also some archives in the university in the western Yucatan by Miguel Espinosa V. also in Spanish. They may be hard to find. Problem is, that nobody wants to listen to the descendants unless we dress in funny pseudo Mayan clothes and call ourselves Mayan sounding names. If we can play a flute and drum, even better. But if you want real knowledge, ask a whitie like Calleman. Anyone who isn't too lazy to turn off youtube and use the information I have left can explore what I have said by doing the counting. I will leave the OP to his grand delusion.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

I would suggest you start your own thread about your Mayan calendar beginning and end dates and clearly explain it because at this point now it is very confusing and it almost gives you a headache trying to understand it. Like you said, please stop "pissing" on my thread and theory!. Thanks!

This thread is not about try to debate whether the GMT correlation is right or not.

Read this:

[link to mayan-calendar.com]

[link to www.alabe.com]

End of story!

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/26/2012 03:05 PM

3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9595622
United States
12/26/2012 01:44 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

So reading all this, let me paraphrase:

OP: I'm so great! Look at my awesome theory nobody can debunk!

AC: Uhh, I talk to mayans who've kept the count going and you're wrong.

OP: I'm not wrong! The other people who came up with the basis of my theory would have to be wrong so complain to them!

We get the "year 0" thing.

Still not sure why you're trying to tie Nostradamus "end of the world" predictions to the Mayan calendar?

That's like tying when the next earthquake will happen because we have a December 31st.

Nostradamus? Sure.
Comet Ison? Sure.
Blue Kachina? Sure.

But none of this is Mayan. Please think about how you're insulting the Mayan culture by tying "end of great cycle" with "Armageddon" based off some internet research that the Mayans themselves don't contribute to.

Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/26/2012 02:50 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

So reading all this, let me paraphrase:

OP: I'm so great! Look at my awesome theory nobody can debunk!

AC: Uhh, I talk to mayans who've kept the count going and you're wrong.

OP: I'm not wrong! The other people who came up with the basis of my theory would have to be wrong so complain to them!

We get the "year 0" thing.

Still not sure why you're trying to tie Nostradamus "end of the world" predictions to the Mayan calendar?

That's like tying when the next earthquake will happen because we have a December 31st.

Nostradamus? Sure.
Comet Ison? Sure.
Blue Kachina? Sure.

But none of this is Mayan. Please think about how you're insulting the Mayan culture by tying "end of great cycle" with "Armageddon" based off some internet research that the Mayans themselves don't contribute to.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9595622

I am very confident in my theory and the numbers don't lie. I will be happy to show you more of the calculations soon.

Very good you actually get "year zero" I am trying to explain. But you obviously don't get multi contextual analysis and building a solid theory around it. Nor do you get what speculation is. This is a conspiracy site right?

The Book of Chilam Balam eludes to certain things happening that seem pretty doomy!

Again, this is speculation and a theory as to what can happen at the end of the Mayan Long Count cycle. Get it?

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/26/2012 11:27 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

20 kins equal 1 uinal or 20 days
18 uinals equal 1 tun or 360 days
20 tuns equal 1 katun or 7,200 days
20 katuns equal 1 baktun or 144,000 days

[link to www.hanksville.org]

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 1,872,000 days or 144,000 days x 13 baktun cycles = August 5th -3113 B.C.(13 Ahau) All 13 katuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 93,600 days or 7,200 days x 13 cycle katuns = Sept. 9th, 1757 (13 Ahau) All 13 Katuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 4680 days or 360 days x 13 cycle tuns = Feb. 22nd, 2001 (13 Ahau) All 13 Tuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 260 days or 20 days x 13 cycle uinals = March 31st, 2013 (13 Ahau) All 13 Uinals completed!

You see, all the gears rotate perfectly this way. It can't be done if you compute it by Dec. 21st, 2012

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/26/2012 11:59 PM

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/27/2012 12:11 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Maximum completion when it reaches 0.0.1.0.0 like 13.0.1.0.0 for Dec. 16th, 2013 NOT MAXIMUM COMPLETION when it reads 13.0.0.0.0

Again, 13 divided by end of maximum completion of 20 number days = ~.618 Phi!

The Ahaus Lining Up to 13 Ahau Completion on Dec. 16th, 2013 by the 13 baktuns or 144,000 days for each baktun.

Dec 16th, 2013 13.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

144,000 days earlier...

Sept. 13th, 1619 12.0.1.0.0 (1 Ahau)

144,000 days earlier and so on...

June 10th, 1225 11.0.1.0.0 (2 Ahau)

March 8th, 831 10.0.1.0.0 (3 Ahau)

Dec. 3rd, 436 9.0.1.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Aug. 31st 42 8.0.1.0.0 (5 Ahau)

May 28th, -352 B.C. 7.0.1.0.0 (6 Ahau)

Feb. 23rd -746 B.C. 6.0.1.0.0 (7 Ahau)

Nov. 21st -1141 B.C. 5.0.1.0.0 (8 Ahau)

Aug. 18th -1535 B.C. 4.0.1.0.0 (9 Ahau)

May 16th -1929 B.C. 3.0.1.0.0 (10 Ahau)

Feb. 10th -2323 B.C. 2.0.1.0.0 (11 Ahau)

Nov. 8th -2718 B.C. 1.0.1.0.0 (12 Ahau)

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau) (YEAR 1)

Aug. 11th, -3113 B.C. 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau) (ZERO YEAR)


You can see then when it starts on August 5th, -3112 B.C. (13 Ahau) and you go baktun by baktun (144,000 days each) it goes up the ladder perfectly. 13 Ahau, 12 Ahau, 11 Ahau, 10 Ahau, and so on, until it reaches 13 cycle baktun completion on Dec. 16th, 2013 and 13 Ahau, It doesn’t equate if you compute it with the base of Dec. 21st, 2012 as shown below:

Dec 21st, 2012 13.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Sept. 18th, 1618 12.0.0.0.0 (5 Ahau)

June 15th, 1224 11.0.0.0.0 (6 Ahau)

March 13th, 830 10.0.0.0.0 (7 Ahau)

Dec. 9th, 435 9.0.0.0.0 (8 Ahau)

Sept. 5th, 41 8.0.0.0.0 (9 Ahau)

June 3rd, -353 B.C. 7.0.0.0.0 (10 Ahau)

Feb. 28th -747 B.C. 6.0.0.0.0 (11 Ahau)

Nov. 26th -1142 B.C. 5.0.0.0.0 (12 Ahau)

Aug. 23rd -1536 B.C. 4.0.0.0.0 (13 Ahau)

May 21st -1930 B.C. 3.0.0.0.0 (1 Ahau)

Feb. 16th -2324 B.C. 2.0.0.0.0 (2 Ahau)

Nov. 13th -2719 B.C. 1.0.0.0.0 (3 Ahau)

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau) (YEAR 1)

Aug. 11th, -3113 B.C. 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau) (ZERO YEAR)

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/27/2012 01:30 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Just saw this on the Drudge Report now.

'Brighter than a full moon': The biggest star of 2013... could be the comet of the century
A comet discovered by two Russian astronomers will be visible from Earth next year. Get ready for a once-in-a lifetime light show, says David Whitehouse

[link to www.independent.co.uk]

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)

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12/27/2012 01:57 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012


Looks like I am not the only one who is clearly beginning to see the connections. DOOM ON!

Written by Jim Mccanney

"November 05, 2012 posting ... i am not a great Nostradamus Quatrain fan however the following is interesting ... this just in from a fan ... Nostradamus predicts that two events will be concurrent ... the entrance of a great comet into the solar system from cancer at the same time as the death of a pope ... we already have a great comet from cancer which is C/2012/S1 ... now if the Pope dies this signifies according to Nostradamus a time of great tribulation for earth ... here is QIV.6 mouse copied from the internet follows ...

6
There will appear towards the North
Not far from Cancer the bearded star:
Susa, Siena, Boeotia, Eretria,
The great one of Rome will die, the night over.

November 03, 2012 posting ... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW i was just working on the orbit of comet C/2012/S1 and an AMAZING alignment is in the brewing IF the comet survives the mars passage unaltered (next october) and the solar encounter a year from now ... starting around january 8th of 2014 to january 14, 2014 there is a quadruple whammmmmmy of an alignment that involves earth !!!! we have Venus at inferior conjunction with earth AND the new moon passing AND none other than Jupiter the big guy ALL ALIGNED electrically with the moon coming out of the blocking position and in what i call "the new moon passing" ... this is getting real interesting ... the comet will be in the clear night sky and we will be looking directly at its nose and we may get to see some real fireworks along with seeing what the ancients saw ... lightning bolts across the heavens with the earth in the middle and we may witness first hand what in the moses event they called the RED HAND OF DEATH ... just prior to this we will get a bird's eye broadside view of the comet and it may be interacting with earth at some of these points in time ... more information soon ... keep posted ... OOOOPS ... i just have to add another factor that is making this all the more interesting ... the solar maximum will be at its peak !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get ready folks ... and just remember one little detail ... the bankers and their secret new world order plans CANNOT DO A THING ABOUT THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! although they will be working feverishly to come out of this with full control ... their only option will be to create major chaos around the world including major wars ... are the prophesies coming true ???"

[link to www.jmccanneyscience.com]

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/27/2012 01:58 AM

3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30939391
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12/27/2012 02:19 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

20 kins equal 1 uinal or 20 days
18 uinals equal 1 tun or 360 days
20 tuns equal 1 katun or 7,200 days
20 katuns equal 1 baktun or 144,000 days

[link to www.hanksville.org]

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 1,872,000 days or 144,000 days x 13 baktun cycles = August 5th -3113 B.C.(13 Ahau) All 13 katuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 93,600 days or 7,200 days x 13 cycle katuns = Sept. 9th, 1757 (13 Ahau) All 13 Katuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 4680 days or 360 days x 13 cycle tuns = Feb. 22nd, 2001 (13 Ahau) All 13 Tuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 260 days or 20 days x 13 cycle uinals = March 31st, 2013 (13 Ahau) All 13 Uinals completed!

You see, all the gears rotate perfectly this way. It can't be done if you compute it by Dec. 21st, 2012
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Ok, but they add 5 more days without names to make 365 days year.
39DragonFlies

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12/27/2012 02:21 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012




xxxxxxx

Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
United States
12/27/2012 02:25 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

20 kins equal 1 uinal or 20 days
18 uinals equal 1 tun or 360 days
20 tuns equal 1 katun or 7,200 days
20 katuns equal 1 baktun or 144,000 days

[link to www.hanksville.org]

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 1,872,000 days or 144,000 days x 13 baktun cycles = August 5th -3113 B.C.(13 Ahau) All 13 katuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 93,600 days or 7,200 days x 13 cycle katuns = Sept. 9th, 1757 (13 Ahau) All 13 Katuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 4680 days or 360 days x 13 cycle tuns = Feb. 22nd, 2001 (13 Ahau) All 13 Tuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 260 days or 20 days x 13 cycle uinals = March 31st, 2013 (13 Ahau) All 13 Uinals completed!

You see, all the gears rotate perfectly this way. It can't be done if you compute it by Dec. 21st, 2012
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Ok, but they add 5 more days without names to make 365 days year.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30939391

No they don't. 360 tun cycle. They take out 5 days.

3ewewg
Quiet Revolution
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12/27/2012 05:01 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The Super Comet ISON or is that SION.
It's gonna be quite a show.

Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/27/2012 11:27 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

The Super Comet ISON or is that SION.
It's gonna be quite a show.
Quoting: Quiet Revolution 30305908

Yup! And it could create some major havoc to Earth. My Mayan calendar calculations don't lie. It's fail proof! Never been more 100% certain of something like this!

3ewewg
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12/28/2012 02:00 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012




3ewewg
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12/28/2012 02:14 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Bump to read later

barbara
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12/28/2012 02:50 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

possibly why tptb pushed it so hard this year, to feed off the fear. Then let a year go by and when the comet pages in dec 2013 the people will be unprepared. I keep thinking of Mother Shiptons prophesy - that the comet will pass many times, getting closer and closer with each pass. So we have another 6 or 7 years with more and more destructive storms and natural calamities. Peace out.

Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/28/2012 09:17 PN
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

possibly why tptb pushed it so hard this year, to feed off the fear. Then let a year go by and when the comet pages in dec 2013 the people will be unprepared. I keep thinking of Mother Shiptons prophesy - that the comet will pass many times, getting closer and closer with each pass. So we have another 6 or 7 years with more and more destructive storms and natural calamities. Peace out.
Quoting: upliftedlala

Never does it say anything about 6 or 7 years. But it does say something about 7 days which parallels Nostradamus Quatrain saying:

Quatrain II.41

The great star for seven days will burn, The cloud will cause two suns to appear: The big mastiff all night will howl, When the great pontiff changes countries.

Mother Shipton Prophecy

For storms will rage and oceans roar
When Gabriel stands on sea and shore
And as he blows his wondrous horn
Old worlds die and new be born.

A fiery dragon will cross the sky
Six times before this earth shall die
Mankind will tremble and frightened be
for the sixth heralds in this prophecy.

For seven days and seven nights
Man will watch this awesome sight.
The tides will rise beyond their ken
To bite away the shores and then
The mountains will begin to roar
And earthquakes split the plain to shore.

And flooding waters, rushing in
Will flood the lands with such a din
That mankind cowers in muddy fen
And snarls about his fellow men.

He bares his teeth and fights and kills
And secrets food in secret hills
And ugly in his fear, he lies
To kill marauders, thieves and spies.

Man flees in terror from the floods
And kills, and rapes and lies in blood
And spilling blood by mankinds' hands
Will stain and bitter many lands

And when the dragon's tail is gone,
Man forgets, and smiles, and carries on
To apply himself - too late, too late
For mankind has earned deserved fate.

His masked smile - his false grandeur,
Will serve the Gods their anger stir.
And they will send the Dragon back
To light the sky - his tail will crack
Upon the earth and rend the earth
And man shall flee, King, Lord, and serf.

But slowly they are routed out
To seek diminishing water spout
And men will die of thirst before
The oceans rise to mount the shore.

And lands will crack and rend anew
You think it strange. It will come true.

And in some far off distant land
Some men - oh such a tiny band
Will have to leave their solid mount
And span the earth, those few to count,
Who survives this (unreadable) and then
Begin the human race again.

But not on land already there
But on ocean beds, stark, dry and bare
Not every soul on Earth will die
As the Dragons tail goes sweeping by.

Not every land on earth will sink
But these will wallow in stench and stink
Of rotting bodies of beast and man
Of vegetation crisped on land.

But the land that rises from the sea
Will be dry and clean and soft and free
Of mankinds' dirt and therefore be
The source of man's new dynasty.

And those that live will ever fear
The dragons tail for many year
But time erases memory
You think it strange. But it will be.

And before the race is built anew
A silver serpent comes to view
And spew out men of like unknown
To mingle with the earth now grown
Cold from its heat and these men can
Enlighten the minds of future man.

To intermingle and show them how
To live and love and thus endow
The children with the second sight.
A natural thing so that they might
Grow graceful, humble and when they do
The Golden Age will start anew.

The dragon's tail is but a sign
For mankind's fall and man's decline.
And before this prophecy is done
I shall be burned at the stake, at one
My body singed and my soul set free
You think I utter blasphemy
You're wrong. These things have come to me
This prophecy will come to be.

And this reminds me describing above the dragon's tail and flooding waters to:

The Revelation
of St. John the Divine
12

The Woman and the Dragon
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 and she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns,and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,
Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time,from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.16 And the earth helped the woman; and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/28/2012 09:27 PM

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/28/2012 09:38 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Waiting for ISON

[link to waitingforison.wordpress.com]

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/28/2012 09:38 PM

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
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12/28/2012 11:39 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

20 kins equal 1 uinal or 20 days
18 uinals equal 1 tun or 360 days
20 tuns equal 1 katun or 7,200 days
20 katuns equal 1 baktun or 144,000 days

[link to www.hanksville.org]

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 1,872,000 days or 144,000 days x 13 baktun cycles = August 5th -3113 B.C.(13 Ahau) All 13 katuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 93,600 days or 7,200 days x 13 cycle katuns = Sept. 9th, 1757 (13 Ahau) All 13 Katuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 4680 days or 360 days x 13 cycle tuns = Feb. 22nd, 2001 (13 Ahau) All 13 Tuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 260 days or 20 days x 13 cycle uinals = March 31st, 2013 (13 Ahau) All 13 Uinals completed!

You see, all the gears rotate perfectly this way. It can't be done if you compute it by Dec. 21st, 2012
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

To further explain:

[link to www.timeanddate.com]

"The Tzolkin is a repeating cycle of 260 days which is made up of a cycle of 13 being repeated 20 times. The Tzolkin is read from the top left (1 Imix), down 20 places to the bottom of the first column (7 Ahau) up to the top of the second column (8 Imix) and so on. The cycle of 13 repeats itself in such a way that, over the 260 days, all 20 of the glyphs in the key to the left of the Tzolkin appear 13 times. The 260 day cycle ends with 13 Ahau."

[link to www.dr-rock.biz]

So for the Tzolkin cycle it is 20 periods of 13 days = 260 days.

Everything rotates in this 13 cycle.

At the end of each 260 days is 13 Ahau, which then cycles back over to 1 Imix.

In order for the calendar to reach maximum competion the 20 uinals, the 20 tuns, the 20 katuns, and the 20 baktuns have to be completed in the 13 cycle, all reaching 13 Ahau. Get it?

And as shown above with my calculations, it does! Maximum completion is shown on Dec. 16th, 2013 and can't be done for computing the date of Dec. 21st, 2012.

Not argueing that the calendar didn't start on 4 Ahau is the Tzolkin date and 8 Kumku is the Haab date or August 11, 3114 BCE in the Gregorian calendar.

What I am pointing out is you don't start counting the Long count calendar year at 0 (just like we don't start counting our Gregorian calendar at 0 but instead we start it at year 1). Thus, the Mayan Code has now been cracked!

December 16th, 2013 (13 Ahau Maximum Completion). All 13 Ahaus line up perfectly! The 3 calendars, the Long Count, the Tzolkin, and the Haab all interlock together in perfect order. It is like hitting the jackpot!

jactkpot

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/28/2012 11:52 PM

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nonymous Coward
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12/29/2012 10:50 AM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012



i want DOOM!!!

Anonymous Coward
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12/29/2012 03:12 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

shame you didn't make this thread about the comet and not some mayan calender bullshit.
Revelator Stargate (OP)

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12/29/2012 03:30 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

shame you didn't make this thread about the comet and not some mayan calender bullshit.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31031457

Shame you don't have much of an IQ or brain to see the connections heh?

3ewewg
Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
United States
12/29/2012 03:36 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

So we know the Mayans tracked the Venus cycle and I wanted to see what the cycle would be in 2013.

[link to www.alabe.com]

We have Venus Retrograde happening on Dec. 21st, 2013. hmmmm

The Haab' comprises eighteen "months" of twenty days each, plus an additional period of five days ("nameless days") at the end of the year known as Wayeb'

So how does this relate to my end date of Dec. 16th, 2013?

"The Haab' comprises eighteen "months" of twenty days each, plus an additional period of five days ("nameless days") at the end of the year known as Wayeb'

Wayeb'

The five nameless days at the end of the calendar, called Wayeb', were thought to be a dangerous time. Foster (2002) writes "During Wayeb, portals between the mortal realm and the Underworld dissolved."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

December 16th, 2016 plus 5 nameless Wayeb days = December 21st, 2013 (Venus at Retrograde Station)

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/29/2012 03:42 PM

3ewewg
Anonymous Coward
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12/29/2012 03:41 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Op, let me throw some facts.

I really like your theory but let's be careful not to be overly excited.

Yes, I always agreed that the Mayan calendar must terminate the Long Count at a 13 Ahau day, and of course 21/12/2012 does not fit the profile, but 28/10/2011 or 16/12/2013 fit.

However, the end of Mayan Calendar does not mean nothing. Even if it occurs then in December 2013. The Mayans only had two tablets pertaining to the end date of the Loung Count and these were not discovered in central locations to the Mayans, meaning that whatever they foresee was not so important. Apparently, the end of Long Count should brought the return of their god of Creation and War, Bolon Yokte.

This can mean that Mayan predict that either: alien or aliens would return in that day, AND/OR war would occur (if the God is symbolic rather than literal). This, we do not know.

Interestingly, the period around 2010-2016 is a highly charged square between Uranus and Pluto, which always bring situation of world crises, revolutions, radical personalities and conflict. You can remember the previous alignments of Uranus and Pluto back in the sixties or in the thirties. This fits well with the Mayan prediction of Bolon Yukte.

Also interestingly, in both those days, 16/12/2013 and 4/4/2015 there are alignments of Mars and a Full Moon with the ongoing Uranus/Pluto, respectively in both dates. This increases the energy of the ongoing zeitgeist and crises, and might indeed correlate with more significant events (probably not the end of the world, but something historical, yes).

About comet ISON: the comet will pass at an established orit. No risk at all of danger to Earth, but it might be a major visual show, as the comet might shine as bright as the Moon for a few days. This kind of events has happened many times in medieval times - the only thing it does, is potencial panic to the population.

By the way, in March 2013 there might be another naked eye comet. Still, no danger. And perhaps no show will ever occur, as often these comets turn out to become nothing. Only rarely they do become major visual sights.

Note: I don't care for comments saying BS. You guys are wasting your time coming to these threads just to post those comments. We want serious discussion here.
Revelator Stargate (OP)

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12/29/2012 03:50 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

Op, let me throw some facts.

I really like your theory but let's be careful not to be overly excited.

Yes, I always agreed that the Mayan calendar must terminate the Long Count at a 13 Ahau day, and of course 21/12/2012 does not fit the profile, but 28/10/2011 or 16/12/2013 fit.

However, the end of Mayan Calendar does not mean nothing. Even if it occurs then in December 2013. The Mayans only had two tablets pertaining to the end date of the Loung Count and these were not discovered in central locations to the Mayans, meaning that whatever they foresee was not so important. Apparently, the end of Long Count should brought the return of their god of Creation and War, Bolon Yokte.

This can mean that Mayan predict that either: alien or aliens would return in that day, AND/OR war would occur (if the God is symbolic rather than literal). This, we do not know.

Interestingly, the period around 2010-2016 is a highly charged square between Uranus and Pluto, which always bring situation of world crises, revolutions, radical personalities and conflict. You can remember the previous alignments of Uranus and Pluto back in the sixties or in the thirties. This fits well with the Mayan prediction of Bolon Yukte.

Also interestingly, in both those days, 16/12/2013 and 4/4/2015 there are alignments of Mars and a Full Moon with the ongoing Uranus/Pluto, respectively in both dates. This increases the energy of the ongoing zeitgeist and crises, and might indeed correlate with more significant events (probably not the end of the world, but something historical, yes).

About comet ISON: the comet will pass at an established orit. No risk at all of danger to Earth, but it might be a major visual show, as the comet might shine as bright as the Moon for a few days. This kind of events has happened many times in medieval times - the only thing it does, is potencial panic to the population.

By the way, in March 2013 there might be another naked eye comet. Still, no danger. And perhaps no show will ever occur, as often these comets turn out to become nothing. Only rarely they do become major visual sights.

Note: I don't care for comments saying BS. You guys are wasting your time coming to these threads just to post those comments. We want serious discussion here.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30920477

Thanks for a refreshingly intelligent post instead of the shill and spam comments. I apprecate it. Interesting how you mentioned 4/4/15. Have you seen my thread related to that date?

Anyway, I know about the Comet coming in March 2013 and I am aware that the ISON Comet wont hit earth or anything like that, but will be a likely spectacular comet. But have you seen that Forbes article about the theory of a comet going into the Solar corona thus creating an CME event that could be much larger than the Carrington 1859 event? Also, interesting isn't it that Solar Max 24 will be at its peak next year around December 2013? Sure, this is all speculation but it really makes you think doesn't it?

Thanks for liking my theory. The numbers don't like. You mentioned Calleman's date. I have already mentioned that date on the first page of this thread. And you are correct, every 260 days falls on a 13 Ahau. Calleman in order to get to his Oct. 28th, 2011 date had to thus change the beginning date, thus throwing out the GMT calculations and the support behind it out into the bath water.

I still leave the GMT calculations in tact but just add another tun year, 360 days to it, thus coming up with the perfect syncronized date of Dec. 16th, 2013

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/29/2012 03:51 PM

3ewewg
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12/29/2012 03:50 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

"Good Karma" I.O.U.

Revelator Stargate (OP)
User ID: 1507989
United States
12/29/2012 03:54 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

You said,
"However, the end of Mayan Calendar does not mean nothing. Even if it occurs then in December 2013. The Mayans only had two tablets pertaining to the end date of the Loung Count and these were not discovered in central locations to the Mayans, meaning that whatever they foresee was not so important. Apparently, the end of Long Count should brought the return of their god of Creation and War, Bolon Yokte.

This can mean that Mayan predict that either: alien or aliens would return in that day, AND/OR war would occur (if the God is symbolic rather than literal). This, we do not know.

Interestingly, the period around 2010-2016 is a highly charged square between Uranus and Pluto, which always bring situation of world crises, revolutions, radical personalities and conflict. You can remember the previous alignments of Uranus and Pluto back in the sixties or in the thirties. This fits well with the Mayan prediction of Bolon Yukte."

Well it could be the idea that Bolon Yukte is the comet. I have to research more into this and what Bolon Yukte means.

Last Edited by Revelator Stargate on 12/29/2012 04:01 PM

3ewewg
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12/29/2012 03:56 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

hmmm

Anonymous Coward
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12/29/2012 03:57 PM
Re: -SUPER COMET ISON THEORY- Mayan Calendar Ends On Dec. 16th, 2013, Not Dec. 21st, 2012

they've got a year to get your guns off you then?

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Shiloh

All I can say here is to wish Revelator Stargate well in his research Susan. He derives his biblical conclusions from a rather fundamentalist-orthodox perspective, which imo is very erroneous, but he tries to fit the dates and symbols in an admirable fashion nevertheless.

His December 16th, 2013 date is logical and just like your date Susan and no you did not 'steal his ideas', lol. The discussion he has about the 1988 date and the 8 Cumku Haab revolves all about the actual counting of the days and nights as his 'native foe' advocates.

This reduces to the simple fact that the latter does NOT accept the starting date of 0.0.0.0.0 or August 11th, 3114 BC. The miscount either way of 1988 to 2012 is so the same as 3140 BC to 3114 BC as said by this poster.

The argument of the solar year here is the technical manner of calling this 360 days or the Haab of 365 days. The native poster called the solar year as 365.25 days but then used the Haab to divide 5200x360=1,872,000 into 365x5128 years plus 280 days. A quarter day per year for this 5128 'haab-year' then gives you an error of 1282 days or about 3.5 'haab- years' or an error of 3.6 'cycle-years' for the 1300x4 '360-kin-year'.

The native poster uses the correct 52 year cycle, but seems to then mix up the number of kins per this 'year' and this creates the discrepancies. So he can't use 52x100x360 AND 52x100x365 as the same calculus, which I suspect he does in ignoring the mathematical consistency required. The error is 52x100x5=26,000 kin and for a quarter kin, this becomes 6,500 days or 18 years of 360 kin and 17.8 years for 365 kin. He then uses some other summation, I could not see to arrive at a 24 year discrepancy between the two kin counts for the solar years.

This creates the discrepancy between the science based 5125 civil years plus 132 days to the 5128 native years plus 280 days.

5128x365+280 = 1,871,720+280 = 5125x365.2425 + 132.2 = 1,871,867.8 + 132.2 = 1,872,000 either way.

So if you then simply say, that the 'civil date' is wrong by a quarter of a day every year as an 'unnecessary' leap year insertion, then 5200 OR 5128 years will create an error in the calendrical kin count, if you simply say, that this quarter of a day is 'missing' or absorbed by local conditions, as the native poster does.

It does appear the native has a distaste for 'Western practice of basic mathematics'.

A relevant discussion for Revelator Stargate about Comet ISON is right here on the forums and is here on your main one:

http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/...A15795198653&cachecommand=bypass&pageindex=33

You can use this link to 'enlighten' him a little if you wish to do so. He said in this thread he is aware of your work, did he not?

Tonyblue

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The original poster was

Anonymous Coward (OP)
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United States
12/21/2009 09:46 PM

- Revelator Stargate --- isn't very likely the same person as the original poster

User ID: 1507989
United States
12/22/2012 03:49 PM

Revelator Stargate very likely copied The Original Posters info - and, then just started their own thread
which is why they don't know the mathematics or sciences, moon cycles, or even the types of calendars etc. to compare things too...

there is NO DOUBT, they can NOT even write a simple equation.

i had The 13th grand cycle - of The Last Moon in December when i would be 54 - back in 1984, when i was 25 - with work i did with '"The Source’ - that is why i kept referring to it; as; The 13Th Grand Cycle (and, very likely you kept wondering why is she calling this, The 13th Grand Cycle?) because a few times, you did ask me that.

I can cite, quite a few websites, and, surface a lot of people who can attest to the fact, i talked about the Grand Cycles as early as 1984, with Virginia Monte, La Mura von Boelling, Darlene, Bev, Cheryl & Farley, and, many others -- Ermina Tsounis at Harmonic Converage in 1987, who i worked on the +/- 111 & 144 notes of separtion through 432.

i was also quite active on a number of old posting boards/forums - and, know there is a lot fo stuff pertaining to that if, i took the time to search for it.

However, without you & your expertise - i';d have very likely just kept calling it The 13th Grand Cycle, without realizing the significance of tying it into The Mayan Tzolki''in utilizing mathematics and science, not just using my own knowledge of Ceremony - and, new and full moons, etc.,

The sorting out of all the calendars, that fit into the equation - like the Aztec Ton (260), and all The Assortments of Native American, Metis & First Nations (360) & (260) Calendars, and, then looking at 15 different Mayan Calendars - and, only having to discard one of them, i know both of us had to pay great attention to details... .

Your brilliance in matching dates, realizing the importance of information i had, and, then figuring out how the 'real'puzzle all fit together was brilliant, and, then, you already had all those bible codes you were working on, the day distances between events, pattern recognition, relations etc., which really was amazing ...

NO DOUBT, that if someone knew they had they real answer and, knew what they had stumbled on, they would have shouted it from the rooftops, making "proper'' claims for their findings, but, also doing like we did, backing it up with facts & figures, etc., with they clearly did NOT

They even referred to 16 DEC 2013 - as, a beginning date - when it is NOT a beginning date, but an end of cycle date.

Anyway, very likely they are trying to do a crash course in trying to come into a full understanding of all our good work copying things off our website i copied their messages here, so, we;ve got an original record of them

Life is always interesting

maybe its time to remember, we didn;t finish The Work on The Pacal Equation

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surprised i have a copy of this from 2012
- its also amazing how many times this poster has changed his info LOL
- my URL is blocked from that website, NOT sure why ???