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01-13-2010, 04:55 PM	#401
kriya Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 213	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hello Abrax!! Congratulations on your exceptionally interesting and enlightening thread. If my question has been answered elsewhere, please excuse me and direct me to it. What is your understanding of the abduction phenomenon? I feel great compassion for those who have suffered at the hands of the greys and much anger towards the greys for what they have done. Please don't tell me that those that have been abducted have 'agreed' to it prior to birth ect... as they have no rememberance of this consciously, and therefore I see no benefit for them for this type of experience. Also, are you what is regarded on this planet as self-realized? Love, Kriya Ps Please keep it simple!!

01-13-2010, 04:58 PM	#402
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by mntruthseeker Thank you John Max for your brilliant words. I do believe in much of what ashayanna writes about In fact I went back and listened to some videos of her that I downloaded previously and I'm happy to report regardless of what others may say here.........................she was not channelled or involved in the Montauk project.................Your remarks on those resonates with me. She says you would have to lose over 30% in order for this to happen and then you are able to reactivate. That of course is her opinion and something that I would not bank on. Also, the reason I copied all of what you wrote here is because it shows that your information was edited by Eleni and I wondered how that happened and why. I know that her name shows up in a different color than the rest of ours but I do not know her as a mod so why is it that she can edit your work I did not edit a thing.......I edited my reply....my name shows up in a different color because I'm a mod. I said it did not resonate with me that people used as test subjects could not ascend....... Last edited by eleni; 01-13-2010 at 05:03 PM.

01-13-2010, 05:00 PM	#403
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by eleni I did not edit a thing....... did you check out his original posting ? this really boggles my mind Eleni, can someone else use our names on here ?

01-13-2010, 05:05 PM	#404
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Going back to check the post MN...... Okay, I can honestly say I missed that and am not sure how that happened, my guess is that in editing my own reply (which I first pressed quote to quote him in a reply) was somehow mixed up and I ended up editing on his post to which I apologize! I was perplexed at why my quote did not show up- I think maybe staying up with 2 sick children all night over past several days has affected me more than I thought! Again- very sorry that took place...... Last edited by eleni; 01-13-2010 at 05:10 PM.

01-13-2010, 05:23 PM	#405
Stardustaquarion Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 897	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by JohnMatX "You know funny thing is, the Black ops projects that use Quantum Physics have found out much what is said in Keylontic Science about the quantum particles called Partiki. They are missing pieces of it. I know its more your Ego making a prediction but in time. Things that once were believed will be soon shown, to either be false or true. I know how much this stuff flies over your head. So when we see things that we can not fully understand. We either do two things reject it for not understanding it or go the harder route and see where the it takes us. For a while I went the easy and believed in just focusing on LOVE and Light. As source is open to all possibilities we should be open to. Yes things may not resonate at first because the truth we're feed is to easy to understand. When science and spirituality can be the simplest thing but we know it takes alot more understanding for the creator to create. Much as it takes knowledge to build computers or microchips. As Above, SO Below. The other thing I noticed about Keylontic Science is the speaker is fluid in speaking and does not channel. To much information and detail go in to it. Yes you can think its all a random lie but if you think about it. The dark only want us to know bits and pieces. Give them sugar cookies and tell them only the good side. Just enough for it to resonate with their 3-D minds. Tell them to traveling threw worm holes or black holes. Act like it a natural passage. O wait did they tell you about Star gates or you own anatomy about how to heal it yourself. Or do they tell you to call on them for Help. The one thing we all need to do is ask questions and see the WHole picture. Even it is worse then we can take. We have to face it. If most of atlantis didn't make the Stellar Activation cycles (Ascension). How do you expect Us too? Our knowledge is children's play to what they once knew. Keylontic science did bring out the teaching then too. It was called the Emerald Tablets but was later watered down and distorted. Just as the Religions of this world are. They were once oral and written traditions handed down. This scared knowledge was kept by Legions that lived in different REgions, Hence the word Re-Legion. My point is much we don't know but out if all the paths I found. None has the Detail and persona of the speakers. You can see people channel other entities, which is very dangerous to your anatomy. Plus its an agreement to be possessed for a moment in time. We are here to be sovereign beings and non dependent on "Those" to save US. The whole reason we are in this turmoil is because we look outside ourself. All is within YOU and none is without You. Ask your higher self, do these teaching teach me to look outside myself? Does it Say Earth and Everybody on is going to Ascend? That thought is actually a violation of Free Will of CHoice. Just as you can choose what path to take. Doesn't mean Everybody wants to Ascend. The other thing I bring up is. If the WHole earth is Ascending. Then why are we cooling? As ascension is to raise in Frequency which is heat(Energy). That's why the Illuminati planned on the Earth getting hotter because they knew ascension was coming but Since 30,000 scientist has argued and shown the Earth is Cooling. Even the Hacker that exposed the data manipulation emails show this to be the case of a cooling Earth. Why are we not increasing in Vibrational heat? Idk if that holds any water for ya for me it bring up Questions. As Above SO Below. I believe Ascension is more a personal choice then ever. The majority of our collective still wants this 3D paradigm aka Path of FALL (Alignment) since 2007. Many have told me that the Earth is Purging and that's why its cooling. In time we shall see. You don't have to believe any thing I say. Heal and know yourself. Only then your filters will be clear. In much Kristic Love and Gratitude John M" Great post LaVas

01-13-2010, 05:27 PM	#406
Stardustaquarion Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 897	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) I have been devating with myself all day on whether to post this or not but here it is Copyright A&A Deane, 1999-2010, All Rights Reserved. Self-Sovereignty & Discernment – Creating Personal Freedom Questions for Discernment A few valuable questions to ask are these: 1) "Who does this information source appear to be?" 2) "What are they telling me?" 3) "Do they really know what they are talking about?" 4) "Are they saying what they REALLY mean?" 5) "Where might their information be coming from?" 6) "What motive might they have for telling me this thing?" 7) "What are they hoping that I believe?" 8) "Why would they want me to believe this thing?" 9) "What are they trying to motivate me to do with my personal power; discover and embrace it within myself, or surrender it elsewhere in worship or obedient subservience?" 10) "If they are trying to help me, what are they trying to help me to achieve and how could believing this thing empower me?" 11) "If they are covertly trying to mislead me, how might I be harmed in believing them?" 12) "Are they inspiring me to lead through my own inner spiritual power and wisdom, or are they seducing me to believe that I am personally powerless and so must blindly follow an external power source to save me?" 13) "If I believe this thing, will it assist me in becoming more awakened, aware, loving, kind, responsible, strong, spiritually alive, intelligent, wise, compassionate, WHOLE and effective human being?" Love

01-13-2010, 05:28 PM	#407
In Transit Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Western USA Posts: 4	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hi Abraxas, What can you share regarding the return of the Lost Tribes and the impact that the 144,000 will have as the millenial period (new earth) is ushered in? I have been told that I will work with several who were Old Testament figures during the transition. Helping others who are confused during the process find the way. I was told this when I was much younger and never really understood it because of distortion within all of man's teachings. It has been a long journey for me and somehow I find myself here. Many thanks...

01-13-2010, 05:48 PM	#408
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion I have been devating with myself all day on whether to post this or not but here it is Copyright A&A Deane, 1999-2010, All Rights Reserved. Self-Sovereignty & Discernment – Creating Personal Freedom Questions for Discernment A few valuable questions to ask are these: 1) "Who does this information source appear to be?" 2) "What are they telling me?" 3) "Do they really know what they are talking about?" 4) "Are they saying what they REALLY mean?" 5) "Where might their information be coming from?" 6) "What motive might they have for telling me this thing?" 7) "What are they hoping that I believe?" 8) "Why would they want me to believe this thing?" 9) "What are they trying to motivate me to do with my personal power; discover and embrace it within myself, or surrender it elsewhere in worship or obedient subservience?" 10) "If they are trying to help me, what are they trying to help me to achieve and how could believing this thing empower me?" 11) "If they are covertly trying to mislead me, how might I be harmed in believing them?" 12) "Are they inspiring me to lead through my own inner spiritual power and wisdom, or are they seducing me to believe that I am personally powerless and so must blindly follow an external power source to save me?" 13) "If I believe this thing, will it assist me in becoming more awakened, aware, loving, kind, responsible, strong, spiritually alive, intelligent, wise, compassionate, WHOLE and effective human being?" Love As usual , excellent information ...........thank you so much

01-14-2010, 12:06 AM	#409
Initiate Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 391	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hi Abraxis, Could you please expand on your take on the "Council of Nine". Supposidly the Council is Housed at Sirius and relates to the blue Ray. There is also some reference to Obama's Higher Self being one of the 9. How does this relate to your agenda? There is also some information that this council is in fact a CIA mind control project. http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...ne_fortean.htm your thoughts?

01-14-2010, 12:37 AM	#410
Anchor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,280	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion 1) ... 10) ... These questions are an excellent checklist. Not sure why you would be worried about posting them - they probably deserved thier own thread though. (Unless you felt that these should be applied to abraxasinas particularly - and why not? They should be applied to most sources of information. Abraxasinas, me, you, everyone). A..

01-14-2010, 01:07 AM	#411
JohnMatX Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by mntruthseeker Thank you John Max for your brilliant words. I do believe in much of what ashayanna writes about In fact I went back and listened to some videos of her that I downloaded previously and I'm happy to report regardless of what others may say here.........................she was not channelled or involved in the Montauk project.................Your remarks on those resonates with me. She says you would have to lose over 30% in order for this to happen and then you are able to reactivate. That of course is her opinion and something that I would not bank on. Also, the reason I copied all of what you wrote here is because it shows that your information was edited by Eleni and I wondered how that happened and why. I know that her name shows up in a different color than the rest of ours but I do not know her as a mod so why is it that she can edit your work Respect Free Will! lol Nuff Said. I wrote a novel on this topic but the site logged me off and now I can't get it back. I guess is wasn't meant to be. Quote: My issue with Ash'yana Deane (and I've read all three books, watched the videos available- granted I am not a student of her teachings) is that my belief is that she does not hold the keys to the ONLY truth....... I take what she says with a grain of salt, I do this not only with what she has to say but what other's have to say as well. And my belief is that there are many evolved souls right now on the planet that don't need A.Haye's material to ascend. Her method is not the only valid one. He blanket statements without proof (such as above with people sent through wormhole tehc cannot ascend is pure rubbish IMO)...... And to quote you if we are open then we should be open to ideas that are not part of Ashyana's Deane's teachings as well...... I have a response to your posting but I don't remember saying they can't ascend. My ego wants me to write more but my heart wants this Drama to end. Here is a quote from Keylontic Science. I hope it reaches all of your hearts with the respect of your WILL to do SO. In Lighted Kristic Love John M "Beloved Co-creators Here's the Attitude, Responsibility and Step Toward Joy with Others for our focus this week. FEARLESSNESS - Recognizing the Eternal Infinite Nature and Unconditional Love of the ALL-ONE-ness. CONSERVATION - Conservation is a form of respect and appreciation for God Source energy in all of its expressions, from conserving and protecting our natural resources, to being attentive to the needs of our bodies, to using the energies of our words and actions with gentle conservation by which we freely use what is needed, but not more. God Source continually recycles its energies for the rebirth of new expression. All is given freely, but no thing is valueless or wasted. Conservation demonstrates that we have respect and appreciation for the gift of creative energy that God Source has provided to us. As we learn to use this energy, in all its forms, with respect and clear intention, we will progressively fine tune our ability to create what we desire, and in this process assist all other beings to do the same. There is truth in the old saying "Waste Not, Want Not." If everything we perceive in our hologram of life is understood to be manifestations of God Source, we might all employ a bit more respect, appreciation and conservation toward the use and applications of the energies of the Divine. BE EFFECTIVE - Having to be "right" implies making others wrong and sets the stage for conflict. Is being "right" more important than creating desired outcomes? Being EFFECTIVE is finding win-win solutions, respecting the rights of all to be exactly who and how they are, even if you disagree. If you do not respect each others boundaries and own your own stuff, you will be unable to create mutuality or effective solutions. If others need to make you wrong, recognize the ego game and refrain from engaging. You do not have to justify your existence to others and they do not have to justify their existence to you. Am I trying to make someone wrong? Is someone trying to make me wrong? Are we respecting each other's boundaries and right to be? Can I engage this with effective action? (Copyright A'sha-yana and A'zha-yana Deane; 1999-2009. All rights reserved) In Absolute Love Hilary" Last edited by Anchor; 01-14-2010 at 06:00 AM. Reason: size reduced on large text

01-14-2010, 01:36 AM	#412
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) JohnMatX- This could be where the confusion is coming from: http://educate-yourself.org/lte/anna...e01jan09.shtml

01-14-2010, 03:59 AM	#413
halebox Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 61	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Abraxasinas, This info is clearly over my head. I am interested as we all are in who I am and where I originated. I have always felt like I am not from here or have not been here long. I also feel like I've slipped a little on my path. My main goal has always been working on peoples energies every chance I get if I feel they are imbalanced. This is my job now on earth. I want to do more. Thanks to all

01-14-2010, 04:19 AM	#414
Firstlook Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 161	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Abraxasinas, I cant help the curiosity that follows me when reading many posts in this thread. If you could tell me things about my past self (InTime?) that I dont remember, I would be grateful and very interested. You might sense my slow nature in jumping into the pool. Its as you stated before, but also I know that what you tell me is already known to myself, I am merely cautious because I want to keep myself as the greatest influence, as selfish as that sounds. lol. Anyways, I hope you are well. Oh! might as well ask about the Earthquake in Haiti. I heard that Haiti is the only entirely black nation in the western Hemisphere that came up from slavery too completely overthrow Western Dominance. IS this Earthquake a man made reaction of that? Thanks Abrax, Joey

01-14-2010, 05:27 AM	#415
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Spregovori Hi Abraxasinas, I have additional questions I am a "little" confused... (so my questions might also be confused) Propagation of a group mind is a deliberate distraction? No, but the common meaning of groupmind as being somehow anti-individual is deeply disempowering. The ultimate 'Law of Unity' fosters the individuality in creativity, but states that a 'common wisdom or understanding' of the 'Beingness' is necessary to UNDERSTAND how separatedness in individuality can yet result in perfect Unity in say 'understood purpose in selfrealisation'. The common focus of the individual minds is better than a group mind? It is the individual, who MUST realise herhimself as 'part of the unity' - no gurus or teachers as such are necessary - yet the 'way showers' and information sharers are more 'needed' than ever before to allow such individual empowerment without governance structures of ANY kind (including lecture tours and self-empower manuals of specifiic techniques) to proceed. It is a delicate balance and bound to be misunderstood by underevolved egocentricities- there is a collective ego of the enlightened individual, say. Is group mind a less preferred option since it can be easily manipulated, while a common focus of individual minds can not be? Yes and No, see the above. Due/After to the coming change...there will be many different "paths" that people will take? Just as now, but there will be MORE information and knowledge available to everyone, because of the cosmic disclosures correlated to physical changes in environments. One of the paths being a result of the group mind? Yes, the 1 in 50,000 and say a world populus of 7.2 billion inclusive 200 million aliens already incarnate (as in most here on this forum say). One path will be a result from a common focus of the individual minds? One path will be a different kind of the common focus of individual minds...etc? As in the above! So our "task" now is for each individual to focus on what he/she wishes to...manifest? Absolutely, this is the agenda of the 144,000 say. It is 'hard perception work' and to PROCESS the 'us versus them' data and the like. Below is an addition to the start of this thread, which 'tells a story'. After the change there will only be one reality? There is only one reality now, partially realised and told in cosmically ordained separation modes. All that is will coexist in the same universe? Like now. Will the people with different focus still exist on the same planet or will there be a separation? This planet will become multidimensional and so allow various 'dimensional/density' perceptions. Think of 'some special place' in the universe, being able to function simultaneously as a Planet, a Starsystem and a Galaxy. Gaia the Planet or Old Earth, will transform into a StarPlanet Consciousness coupled to a Galactic Mother consciousness coupled to a Cosmic Mother consciousness. Gaia will become the SANCTUARY of a certain data bank for the ENTIRE UNIVERSE, incorporating ALL extraterrstrial lifeforms WITHOUT EXCEPTIONS. If you were one of the people...here on this planet...what would you do - regarding the coming situation? Just BEING MYSELF and honouring the processes. Thanks Spregovori! The following 'story' might help you a lot, as it strikes at the depth of the human soul and cosmic identity. It's a little bit 'spicey' and would be censored on most open accessible media; but this forum should be able to 'handle' this kind of information in readership and administration. The Overworld of Shamballa, the Underworld of Agartha and the Extraworld of the Eagle of Thuban. MY VISIT OF HELL - ANOTHER KIND OF DANTEAN INFERNO ! Robert Sceptico: "And with the 'Presence of Jesus', the Mosaic Law became reinterpreted as the 'Logos of the Spirit' and allowed Paul to write in 2Corinthians.3.6; "for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life". "Logan Antico: "This reinterpretation of the scriptures in the light of omniscience surely takes the proverbial 'evil monkey' off the back of the 'Good LORD' also manifesting as the 'Evil LORD' relative to the beholder of the experiences. Did I ever tell you the story of my own individual 'visit of hell'; it wasn't quite as dramatic as 'Dante's Inferno', being coloured so much by my personal colourings of omniscience and gnosis?" Robert Sceptico: "I can't recall you ever telling me that story, Logan." Logan Antico: "Ok then, I feel such a personally coloured account of the 'eternal damnation' is appropriate to the subject matter we are discussing; what of witches, necromancers and sorcerers and the like. "It had been a long day of thought, meditation and writing back in July 1995. I had realised that the nature of the gods was one of merging opposites in oneness. Specifically, I had become aware, for the first time, that one's biological body served the higher purpose of recombining something lost at the beginning of space and time. The only thing that really mattered in anyones life was how to perceive ones own consciousness - the sense of being alive and the knowing of 'me'. It is the thought that counts; what you think that you are, or one creates one's own reality through projecting one's thoughts. So not knowing or remembering what you are leads to the confusions of everyday life. The question becomes of how to remember and how to get in touch with the thing inside. Since confusion breeds confusion and more of the same becomes fear and doubt and ends in despair and hopelessness; the grail of hope would become an adventure of self discovery. All this I had realised and had put into words of hope in an attempt to clarify the situation. But I was still restless. It is easy to say to become centred is the way to be; but the practice of it is very hard unless you live in a cave as a hermit and are isolated from the razzamatazz of screaming voices and the blahblah-blah of a multitude of diverse channels of communication. The harmonies of music are a miraculous tonic for the ailment of cacophony. The superimposed waveforms of longitudinal atmospheric pressure variations seem to tranquilise a tortured mind in the search of silence and understanding. What is perceived as melody, rhythm and harmony merges with the monopolic electricity generated in one's brain, say in the beta waves of 13-28 cycles, responsible for the front-brain activity of conscious thought and analysis. When this beta activity slows down, the alpha waves from about 8-12 cycles induce a more relaxed, meditative state, with the Earth's own 'Schumann Frequency' being given by the number of lightcycles around the perimeter of the planet as a lower limit to the alpha cycle. For an equatorial perimeter of 40,000 kilometres, the Schumann-Frequency is 40,000/300,000=2/15), also coded in Revelation.14.20 & 22.16 as the ratio of (1,600 furlongs/12,000 furlongs) and as the mysterious 'measure of God's winepress outside the gate' as compared to the 'golden reed measure of the angel inside the holy city' and as applied by the prophet John, as per the code Revelation.11.1-2 - the 'inside' so is the 'body of the dragonomy' symbolised in the 'body of the earth' or the individuated 'endtime prophecies' superimposed upon the collective racial history. The autonomous nervous system relaxes below about 8 cycles in the state of sleep in the theta cycles and a frequency approaching 0 sets the delta cycle with physical death occurring at a zero frequency, manifesting in a resetting of individual L-C-Factors as function of that frequency. There are periods of sleep, when the physical consciousness subsides completely and the 'dreaming state' of REM-sleep, characterised by Rapid-Eye-Movement, allows the subconscious self, defined in the L-C-Factor couplings. to assume the place of a relaxed alpha state. This subconscious awareness surfaces in the experience of dreams, out-of-body 'journeys' and other 'astral' endeavours of the twinsoul of the Ka. The Ka is the shadow-soul and defined in the baseperfect DNA, as the supersexual coupling of the preDragonomic chromosomes in omnispace. In other words, there is a 'genetic baseperfect bodyform' into which the embryo develops in its natural differentiation into male or female sexual definition. All the prenatally defined 'perfection' is always carried by the developing bodyform, notwithstanding disability, congenital disformity or physical 'accidents' or disease , including the ageing process, experienced by the physical bodyform during its 'physical lifecycle'. A 62-year old woman say, may dream of herself in a younger 26-year old bodyform and this experience is as real in omnispace as the waking state of the woman in her selfawareness within linespace; the difference being the voluntary decision of the woman's 'soul' (magnetopolic electricity of capacitance coupled to electropolic magnetism of inductance) to experience 'herhis' 'perfect' bodyform in omnispace as an 'imperfect' bodyform in linespace, allowing however the graduation of the latter into the former after an infinite elapse of linear time, being mapped onto 'now-time' in the omnispace. All my life had I tried to realise this astral world in an analytic way, but I was not prepared to get the answers, relative to my own intellectual satisfaction, in the way of my own 'hell' as I did. Yes, I had asked questions before; such as how does the lightbody penetrate walls, or what does it feel like to fly? But with my new realisation as to the requirement to spiritualise the physical body; I induced some harmony, in listening to peaceful music and began to think about how to visit my own body through my imagination. All this beta wave activity did not however lull me to sleep, as it had done so many times before. I thought about how the collective spiritual atmosphere of planet Earth is obstructed by all those thoughtforms of death, decay and misery; when suddenly I found myself within my own realm of perception in regards to that very same subject matter. There I was completely awake and it did not matter if I had my eyes shut or not. Incredible colours and shapes and beings came to be; yet subject to whatever I desired to think or ponder about. I created my own scenarios and just as I pleased. I truly was the landlord, the king in my own castle. So there I was; colours all around me and ready to be shaped. I decided to let things shape themselves, just to experience what would eventuate. It was a dark place but filled with very rich colours, otherworldly colours really; spiritual reds and blues and greens, mixed to give any other colours in the astral omnispace. So it was dark and yet very colourful. I knew instinctively that what I experienced was my own underworld, my own hell and how my 'higher self' imagined hell to be, created from my thoughts and experiences gathered since the beginnings of space and time. But for the first time I really experienced in linear consciousness what it was like to walk the corridors of hell and as confined within your own bodyform or your self in space confinement. And so I began my 'Dantean Journey' through the inferno of my own mind and thoughtfulness. I was dressed in a kind of Roman toga when I descended some steps into a greater hall, one of many halls, towards many clearances and gatherings of a multitude of creatures: little devils, demons and familiars were swarming about everywhere. The feeling I experienced, was one of hilarity, a kaleidoscope of colour and movement, infused with a sense of funniness. Just as I entered one of those greater halls, which was bathed in an all pervading orange glow and reflected in the creatures, some of the little demons started to pull on my toga. They were little devils, about 50 centimetres tall and they attempted to look very menacing; grimacing at me and about ten of them rather frenziedly pulled and tore on my toga. Whenever I gave them a stern look, they scattered in all directions, waiting for me to become complacent and tolerant again. Aha, I thought, when you get annoyed then they fear you; your tolerance of them is their life; you are like a lollyman just in your presence, allowing them to be near you. To describe the creatures I saw is no easy thing; they are anything the producers and creators of Hollywood have ever imagined, yet they are more vibrant and more alive than anything which could be imparted onto a screen or computer simulated videotape. There are many mixtures of animal creatures; some are half toad and half fish, others are troll-like and others are gargoyles, dragons, krakens and all the mythological beasts are there. If you like to see a creature made up of various sorts; you can create this creature by thinking about it and then project your realisation into colour and it materialises with a life of its own. Anyway, I started to have fun in my mythological hell. The greatest and richest forms 'down there' are of a sexual and religious nature. I did not encounter violence of any sort; maybe because my higher self does not like it. I tried to imagine some really horrible things like human torture or suffering children, people or animals, but it could not be done. There seems to be a safeguard in your own hell. It is meant to be a funny place, well relative to me that is certainly the truth. You can experience a 'hell of hilarious laughter' and have lots of 'funny' sexual encounters there; but the sense of true suffering and the experience of being horrified are missing. I tried hard to relive something like a painful torture like the crucifixion; but there is a big blank in your imagination and everything turns from pain to joy in becoming humorous. Now religious symbolism is extremely strong 'down there'. Everywhere you might project a thought, you might see groups of creatures pushing wagons carrying big wooden crosses around, in an attempt perhaps, to frighten the 'living hell' out of those unsuspecting minds, pondering expectations of 'hellfire' and of 'eternal damnation'. At one instance there was this group of toaddemons attempting to crucify this 'poor little green frog'. Like following a movie script, they laid down a little wooden cross and proceeded to spread the frog into all fours. After they had 'nailed' the frog onto the cross and had erected the cross; the frog simply moved its extremeties and 'popped' off the cross and hopped away. To me it seemed like everything, all substance was extremely malleable and subject to thought. Hence the frog simply played the game and when it became 'bored' or 'annoyed' with its role, it just left the stage of play in the theatre. There were no screams of agony or pain, just a seeming seriousness on behalf of the devils and the mirrored hilarity or funny side to that relative to everyone else. I proceeded on my exploring journey and came along this covenant of witches. Some of those witches were old and others were young; they were all naked and all of them were rather nice to look at. When they saw me, they became very excited and wanted to have sex with me. So they paraded themselves around this big cauldron and exhibiting their fleshly naked glory, they began playing with their breasts and vulvas, inviting me to join with any or all of them in 'hellish ecstacies' of erotic plays and games of sexual pleasures. All this release of sexual potential energy had attracted other little sexdemons, which had swarmed all around me. Most of them had phallic erections, relative to their size and they began to pull on my toga again. So I took off my toga and being naked underneath, I investigated my response to all those sexual titillations. To my surprise, the sexual impulse is somewhat different in the astral reality of omnispace. There the sexual feeling, the eroticism is of paramount importance and the actual sexual merger plays a subsidiary role. I became sexually aroused and my phallus grew into a magnificent erection, but for some strange reason I did not desire to physically merge with any of the witches or the sexy devils. Looking at all those naked embodiments of my own sexual potential energy; there seemed to occur an unification, a flowing together of all the various naked female bodies for instance. The naked witches began to merge within a superimposed female form, individuated to become a sort of perfect sexual complementary match for my own male sexual definition. The more this superfemale and individuated archetype would crystallise from the misty fusion of all the other female and male characters in the picture; the harder my erection would become; seemingly wishing to burst in a superlative expression of lust and overpowering desire to be as one with my own personalised archetype of the Goddess and Mother of them all. All the sexy demons and all the witches became 'our' children and I understood the spiritual or higher dimensional notion of monogamy to be one of the 'Sacred Family' wherein all other potential sexual partners are absorbed within your 'perfect match' the mirror of your own reflected self of the dragonomy. But in changing the parental perception, the monogamy would transfer in a polygamy of nonexclusivity and the ultimate necessity for the frredom of the spiritual selfexpression of the soul. A magnificent naked witch for example would become reflected in 'my Goddess' and my potential sexual partnership with that witch would realise in 'my Goddess' and mirror itself in the erotic 'turnon' of imagining the naked witch to have sex with 'her God' in the form of any of my 'brothers'. There seems to be a magnificent sexual stimulatory potential in one's eroticised attuned mind. In that way would my sexual relationship with my Goddess empower and become empowered in the naked witch having intercourse and sexual communion with the image of myself in one of my brothers 'in the spirit of the EMMR'. At the same time however, any physical sexual relationships between myself and any other potential goddess would become a function of 'sexual maturity' and a question of 'wholeness'. Your own body would either psychophysically suppress or engage a natural erotic function in response to external erotic stimuli coupled to an internal evaluation process of appropriateness in terms of holistic harmonisation. Ah, if just the Roman participators in their orgies would have understood the unified perspectives - their devolution into banal and spiritually boring decadence could have been avoided in the sacred geometries of tantric eroticisms and group empowerment; I giggled to myself. And then I understood the wisdom sayings about there being no marriage in heaven. The evolved starhuman bodyform would be unable to harbour the idea of sexual- or any other form of ownership, of possessing one's partners in exclusivity. The sexual ownership became one's own dragonomy as one's own androgeny of the 'Lake of the Anima Fire and of the Animus Brimstone in the bisexual coupling of oneself as the Cosmic Hermaphroditicus. So I discovered a very potent form of sexuality; your sexual organs respond to your thoughts and the male sexual expression can be satisfied without ejaculation; any emitted semen and vaginal secretions assuming a sacred nature in the 'manna from heaven', able to rejuvenate the body of the man and the body of the woman in the giving and the receiving of the sexual totipotent stemcellular units of biological life. Once this sexual state of selfawareness can be sustained, the androgynous bisexual mind is born in the unification within and the goddess part of the dragonomy in the man and the god part in the woman can express itself without ambiguity. So in the setting of my journey through hell; I could easily change my sex and walk around as my female part, imagining myself as that gorgeous rounded female form, with an accomodating voluptuous vulva, well developed and succulent breasts and curved and tantalising buttocks. Then I could have fun in teasing the little sexdemons with their curved penile erections, just in wiggling my bottom or accidentally pulling my toga up with nothing on underneath. The sight of my satinsoft pubic hair about my throbbing pelvic region would send the sexy devils masturbating frenziedly and they would simply forget to manipulate the puerile human minds with their angsts and fears about the 'evilness' of sex in the 'Presence of God'. So I decided to turn the 'Devil's Game' around and instead of some 'He-Devil' Incubus seducing the ignorant female part of creation in the womanhood; being in the 'Devil's kingdom of hell' I would play the 'She-Angel from heaven' as a Succubi and rendering my heaven as a heavenhell and transforming my hell into a hellheaven. So I went for the lookout for the 'big masterdevil' the one with the gigantic phallus and as the 'big hang-up of the human masculinity expressed in perceived inadequacy'. In seducing him to have a huge erection in a devilish lust to enter my satinhaired yonic vulva; I would induce a harmony between my heavenly mindbody and my hellish bodymind. But maybe I needed more preparation before meeting the ultimate id of my own alter ego. In just strolling around in your own hell without using your own mental creativity and imagination, you can encounter any of the zillions of thoughtforms which have ever been thought since the beginnings of space and time. You can tap into the sexual and other fantasies of Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Napoleon Bonaparte and Adolf Hitler. You can find out what Cleopatra felt, when she played sexual politics with Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony; you can also share in the sexual deprivations of sequestered monks and nuns, unable to come to terms with their natural and divine natural instincts, mentally distorted. You can share in the poverty of a Polish ghetto, where the warmth of two bodies cuddled together in sexual intimacy is coloured by a constant fear of being apprehended, tortured, interrogated and killed. Or you can tap into the feelings of a joined couple, residing in a single room with a dozen or so children, without privacy, impoverished in all material necessities, producing yet another child in the circumstances of their disempowerment. But the potency of sex and religion is linked and you can have so much fun with it in intellectual terms in hell, precisely because it is so powerful as a result of the human paranoia and the taboos about it. It was the human 'sinfulness', its ignorance about the nature of the creation and its creator, which did create the 'evilness of sex' and the abyss of perceived incompatibility between sex and the religious life through the agency of the human mind, trapped in spiritual immaturity. And so I decided to meet the 'big monsters' in my female form. I cut my toga into a mini-toga, which would expose parts of my buttocks when I would slightly twist my torso and lift one of my legs. I rubbed some perfumed oils all over my body, imagined myself with medium length shiny locks and put on just a minimum amount of pink lipstick to enhance my green-blue eyes. As I walked past a kind of lagoon I noticed a whirlpool in the water, a swirling vortex, seemingly growing in intensity, when suddenly a great seamonster pushed upwards into the dark ceiling of the cavernous enclosure which harboured the lagoon. It appeared in the form of the mythological Kraken, the Reptilian Titan of the sort encountered by Perseus in his rescue of Andromeda with help of Pegasus, the winged horse and the severed head of the Medusa, the serpentine gorgon of the Greek legends. The kraken was the size of a two storey house with a huge head with the canine fangs of a wild giant hog and a scaley fish-like torso - the Reptilian Overlord of the preOlympian pantheon of Greece. As it had settled, it began to look about with saliva driveling from its halfopened mouth. I wove my hand at it to catch its attention and walked to the edge of the lagoon, enticing it to come closer and to have a look at me. The kraken bent down and opened its huge jaws right in fron of me. I could see the seaweed between its teeth and I could smell a nauseating stench emanating from the Kraken's throat and stomach. Nevertheless, I lifted my mini-toga to unveil my female nakedness, remembering that Andromeda was to have been a sacrifice to the Kraken, which I presumed to have been of a sexual nature. But the sight of my inviting satin-curled triangular pubic hairiness had no effect on the Kraken, it apparently was not interested in the devouring of sexual potential energy. Well, I thought Andromeda must have been a food-sacrifice to placate the Kraken. So I dropped my mini-toga and projected the thought of walking right into the Kraken's mouth, descending down into its stomach and cleaning it out with any cleansing agent I could imagine, but including caustic soda and hydrogen peroxide. The Kraken began to tremble, it shot upwards, in the process slamming its clawed right hand before its shut mouth and spiralled quite hilariously back into the depth of the swamp from which it had emerged. Now this could not have been my 'masterdevil' I thought; it had no sexual comprehension whatsoever and I recalled of not having noticed any sexual organs protruding from the Kraken at all. And so I continued to look for a 'well-hung' masterdevil, whom I could seduce, walking along the 'corridors of hell'. I became more and more adventurous and decided to mentally create a setting of meeting not one, but three masterdevils, one of whom would become my sexual conquest. I had to hide my true mental intent, and so I shapeshifted into my male form and thought of a setting of a game of cards with the three archdemons, followed by a decisive game of chess. If I did not like the winner of the poker game, then I could disqualify him in beating him at chess. Furthermore I set the necessary mental boundary conditions into place, so as not to allow my creative impulses to get out of my mental hand. Being in mental control can become a bit boring, so I decided to allow things to develop in a 'mouse catch cat' scenario, where I would not know the identities of the archdevils from the start, but a random distribution would assign the statistical weights relative to the final outcome, which I did predetermine as my sexual seduction of that masterdevil, who could beat me in the chessgame. And because the omnispacial reality, which I attempted to realise within a personal setting was archetypically the same as my detailed colouring of the circumstances encountered; the game of uncertainty could be played, the uncertainty in linespace being however anchored in fundamental physical laws of nature's principles, converging in the unity of the one in all and the unity of the all in the one in the undifferentiated omnispace mirroring my mental experience. As soon as I had finished my thoughts about the perimeters; I noticed a spiral stairway leading down to another level of the 'hellish' landscape. I descended down the staircase and entered a small room with a fireplace, a small table and four chairs. Here were three creatures of my own size, all dressed in darkish red costumes, perhaps a kind of standard outfit, of what a 'humanised devil' should look like and as thought about throughout the centuries and millennia I pondered. Anyway, the colours were too uniform for me and I applied my creative licence and thought about changing their attire. One I left as a reddish devil with two little horns coming out of his head; one other I gave a black outfit reminiscent of the Middle Ages, with a large and flat black hat and the other I dressed in a golden-yellow Spanish baggy crepe' outfit with black vertical stripes and a hat adourned with long white and brown feathers. The three masterdemons were standing near the entrance and I introduced myself as E.M. as in Emmanuel Melchisedec, trying to look very seriously. They introduced themselves as Asmodeus, Belial and Beelzebub I; the latter saying that they had been advised of my visit by one of their oracles and that the omen specified that a visitor from the overworld of Shamballa would bring great knowledge and a great treasure to the underworld of Agartha. I was pleased with that development, I quickly filled in some gaps, in explaining, that the oracle had been correct and that the great treasure was found in an overworld princess, who would descend into the underworld of Agartha to refertilise the stagnating genepool in the kingdom of hell. I produced a picture of myself as the naked female sexgoddess and showed it to the three archdemons who got all excited looking at the picture of my naked female glory. I took the liberty to glance at the crotches of the three to judge the size of their Phalluses, but whilst I witnessed three growing bulges, I could not differentiate their magnitudes as appropriate scalings for the differing sizes for the Yonis of the Goddesses of Shamballa. I then proceeded to explain to the three masterdevils, that I had been commissioned by the princess to prepare for her arrival and to choose her suitor in a game of poker, followed in a game of chess. The winner of the chessgame would be allowed to have sex with my queen and his seed would result in my queen giving birth to a new breed of helldweller. This would become a hybrid between the overworld kingdom of Shamballa and the underworld kingdom of Agartha and energized by the extraworldly kingdom of the Eagle of Thuban. After that firstborn hybrid from the overworld and the underworld would come into being, the floodgates of the overworld would open and many more princesses would descend into hell to mate with the devils in whatever hierarchy they'd have or would define. But for every devil, there would be found a companion princess from the overworld. And so we sat ourselves around the table and proceeded to play poker. The criteria was that the first masterdevil who would win 12 games against my lesser count, would qualify for the next stage of playing chess for access to my queen's hairy yoni. I did not mentally influence anything and the game proceeded randomly with each of the four of us winning approximately 25% of the games. Since I could not choose between Asmodeus, Belial or Beelzebub on any physical external criteria; I decided to implement a mental trigger in weighting the subsequent chance distribution of the 'fall of the cards' in favour of the first masterdevil who would win two games in a row by chance. And Belial won two games in a row and then kept drawing 'flushes' and 'full houses' and the 'medieval one' got more and more excited about outplaying the rest of us. And so Asmodeus and Beelzebub had to concede defeat and hurried Belial and myself on to get it over with; they had become obsessed with the thought of having sex with the princesses of the overworld of Shamballa and they knew that the process of my queen's insemination would result in an immediate conception and the hybridisation of themselves as the newborn hellish breed of Agartha and in partnership with the embodiments of the overworld of Shamballa. And so I sat down with Belial for a game of chess; beating me once, would qualify him as the 'studbull from hell' and automatically crown him as the 'DevilKing of the Underworld', having sex with my 'AngelQueen of the Overworld' and as prophecied by the hellish oracles. And so I played without mental influence and I could beat Belial rather easily; he was far too excited to concentrate, thinking about entering the luscious vulva of my queen with his throbbing phallus in thrusts of hellish ecstacy and pleasure. I could not see the bulge in his black oversized pants and I mentally dressed him in black undersized jeans to see what my queen's sacred orifice was in for. I safeguarded the mystery of Belial's nakedness in veiling him in tight red underpants, but could nevertheless see the contours of his uncircumscised member, ever so slightly vibrating under the pressure placed upon it by the constriction of the undergarment. He kept squeezing his erection, whilst pretending to concentrate on the game of chess; so I, having become satisfied as to having him inside of my queen's vulva, blundered my chessbourne queen for exchange with Belial's king's bishop and then sacrificed my queen's rook for Belial's kingly knight and from then on; Belial sensed victory and proceeded to defeat me, for the first time concentrating on the game at hand. I conceded defeat and congratulated Belial on his victory. As the three masterdevils celebrated with a cask of hellish beer and Scottish whiskey; I took my leave and promised to return with my queen as soon as I had finished my other business of bringing the knowledge promised by the hellish oracle to the underworld of Agartha. I would have to consult with the extraworldy kingdom of the Eagle of Thuban to obtain final access and authorization to implement the exodus of Thuban as the intodus of Shamballa into Agartha. Asmodeus, Belial and Beelzebub just nodded and asked me to hurry up with my commissioned task, they would wait impatiently for the completion of that other business; but they would prepare the wedding suites for the overworld princesses, so the sexual adventures could proceed in style and fitting for the royal occasion of the interdimensional dragonomies. I then asked the three archdevils, to appoint an ambassador on behalf of my agency as the emissary for my queen; a representative who could tend my hellish interests during my absence in the overworld of Shamballa. I would brief this representative and provide him with a written manual, containing the outline of the working plan, wherewithal the oracle's prophecy would be fulfilled. Beelzebub I, then proposed and summoned Abaddon, the KingDevil of the bottomless pit and known to the overworld dwellers through the code in Revelation.9.11. Abaddon seemed to be a sufficient deputy for my purposes, appearing in the form of a masterdemon of the fluidity of the water element in the form of the Scorpion and I decided then to extend my delegatory commissions to the other masterdevils. So I produced three representative digitally photographed holographic images of the overworld brides for the three archdemonic bridegrooms to keep and to behold during their period of waiting for my return. To Asmodeus a gave picture of Urielabeth the sexy enchantress of the Northern earth, clad in a skintight outfit of acrylic leather; I assigned Michaela, the queen of the Eastern fire to Beelzebub, dressed in nought but a seethrough overlength blouse and to Abaddon I gave a picturesque emblem of Raphaela, the Southern water goddess of the nymphs, naked except for her golden locks, hugging her mermaidean nature; and Belial carried the photo of my Beloved naked queen, ruler of the Western air of Gabriella within the context of my definition, yet one overall. As I ascended the stairway from the masterdevils' abode; the darkened hellish landscape which I had previously wandered through began to fill with light and 'my hell' blended with the linespace reality of my bedroom."" Tony Whynot

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abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by kriya Hello Abrax!! Congratulations on your exceptionally interesting and enlightening thread. If my question has been answered elsewhere, please excuse me and direct me to it. What is your understanding of the abduction phenomenon? I feel great compassion for those who have suffered at the hands of the greys and much anger towards the greys for what they have done. Please don't tell me that those that have been abducted have 'agreed' to it prior to birth ect... as they have no rememberance of this consciously, and therefore I see no benefit for them for this type of experience. Also, are you what is regarded on this planet as self-realized? Love, Kriya Ps Please keep it simple!! Hi Kriya! The abduction phenomenon is as old as the human presence on this planet. One potent archetype is that of 'Elijah, the prophet' being 'taken up to heaven' in a whirlwind (2Kings.2.11). Similar in Ezekiel's vision (Ezekiel.1) and in Isaiah.60.8: "Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?" give clear reference to the phenomenon of the 'abductions/contact' say before the archetype is 'coloured in' by technological associations like metallic craft (replacing the clouds and whirlwinds). Superposed onto the Manifesto of the Archetype then becomes the extension of the 'contact' from isolated 'prophets' or seers (themselves so partial to the event as 'insiders') to the General population. Therefore all 'abductees' are 'New prophets' and 'visionaries' as such. The 'genuine' - meaning NOT government or 'security agency' simulated 'abduction event' so will then become an Interdimensional Experience of the 'soul' as a selfreflection - meaning the soul will become confronted with its multdimensional Cosmic Identity. Therefore the experiences can be 'felt' as 'positive-benevolent' or 'negative-malevolent' relative to the multidimensional selfawareness of the 'soul-entity'. It will in either case, serve the soul to 'awaken' it to its multiD nature and then engage the processing of the new data in individuated and shared agendas (of the already ascended starhuman groupconsciousness - say labeled in ascended masters and galactic federations or what have you). Your stated 'anger' towards the experiences is such a 'processing' of shared information on many levels of perception and awarenesses. The degree of 'self-realisation' is not a question of judgement, but is simply the ability to resonate or dissonate with presented information, data and experiences on any level of environmental interaction. This many understand as chakra openings and the concept of a Thinking Heart and a Feeling Mind in harmony with each other as a Thinking Mind is polarised to oppose the Feeling Heart in a --/++ electromagnetomonopolic self-and mutual induction process of source energy. The former wordplay harmonises a -+/-+ polarisation monadicity. Abraxas

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abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Anchor These questions are an excellent checklist. Not sure why you would be worried about posting them - they probably deserved thier own thread though. (Unless you felt that these should be applied to abraxasinas particularly - and why not? They should be applied to most sources of information. Abraxasinas, me, you, everyone). A.. Hi Anchor! Many of these questions are imbued with duality, fear of others and self and suspicion. Allow me to answer them from the Thuban perspective. A few valuable questions to ask are these: 1) "Who does this information source appear to be?" Why does it matter from whence data derives from. Is the messenger more important than the message? 2) "What are they telling me?" The label of 'they' again 'puts the cart before the horse' and accentuates the 'me' as being in some manner compromised or threatened. 3) "Do they really know what they are talking about?" All information can be evaluated and analysed, if not say in technical terms of scientific methodolgy; then ALWAYS in terms of resonating with one's individuated database or not. 4) "Are they saying what they REALLY mean?" If the purveyor of the data states that the information is true, relative to its source; then the evaluation of this data becomes an exercise of relative correlation and extension of the receiver's own database. It is so subjective and provided the purveyor is genuine, alternative interpretations between source and sink remain possible. 5) "Where might their information be coming from?" Why is it important from where data derives from? If you open your letterbox and you find a nice message or present sent anonymously, will you reject the message or present because you are unsure of its sender? 6) "What motive might they have for telling me this thing?" Again, what has the 'motive' of anyone to do with the information, subject to evaluation by the 'cosmic self'? 7) "What are they hoping that I believe?" The data is not deviced to make anyone 'believe' in it or 'follow it'. It is simply information to consider, reject or incorporate. 8) "Why would they want me to believe this thing?" Non sequitur following the above. 9) "What are they trying to motivate me to do with my personal power; discover and embrace it within myself, or surrender it elsewhere in worship or obedient subservience?" 'They' are not trying to motivate any negation of 'personal power'; but to enhance this 'personal power' in simply extending the data base, say of possibilities. Labels used here, like 'worship' and 'obedient subservience' indicate great insecurity within the 'personal powerbase' of the questioner. Any cosmic multidimensional entity possessing a basic platform of 'personal power' would eschew such labeings applied to its 'individual core'. The using of the label 'personal' indicates the prevalence of 'individuated ego' in favour of a 'collective ego of divinity aka the 'greater ego'. 10) "If they are trying to help me, what are they trying to help me to achieve and how could believing this thing empower me?" In extending the data base of information any truly unbiased soul entity can choose from to allow a more informed decision making. 11) "If they are covertly trying to mislead me, how might I be harmed in believing them?" The 'inner knowing' of an 'spiritually informed and self-trained' soul-entity will prevent any misleading of the entity by 'false' information. Then no 'harm' can befall the entity. Again the labelling indicates fear of the unknown and mindful insecurities harboured by the entity. 12) "Are they inspiring me to lead through my own inner spiritual power and wisdom, or are they seducing me to believe that I am personally powerless and so must blindly follow an external power source to save me?" Should the shared data, whatever of it is processed (much data incromprehensible by the waking consciousness can be evaluated and processed by the subconscious and the superconsciousness will KNOW the data in unity) be 'acceptable' then the 'inner spiritual power' will be enhanced. Should the shared data be rejected by the waking consciousness; then the 'spiritual power' will also be enhanced through the processings of the sub- and superconscious agencies of the entity. 13) "If I believe this thing, will it assist me in becoming more awakened, aware, loving, kind, responsible, strong, spiritually alive, intelligent, wise, compassionate, WHOLE and effective human being?" The question of 'believing' never arises. The shared data either complements the receiver in an extension of its assimilated information base or it complements the receiver in processed and rejected data relative to the three consciousness modalities. Abraxas Last edited by abraxasinas; 01-14-2010 at 06:36 AM.

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abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635

Originally Posted by In Transit Hi Abraxas, What can you share regarding the return of the Lost Tribes and the impact that the 144,000 will have as the millenial period (new earth) is ushered in? I have been told that I will work with several who were Old Testament figures during the transition. Helping others who are confused during the process find the way. I was told this when I was much younger and never really understood it because of distortion within all of man's teachings. It has been a long journey for me and somehow I find myself here. Many thanks...

Dear Transit!

An excellent question indeed and highly pertinent to the 1 in 50,000 that is the 144,000 as proportion of the populus upon Gaia in 2012 in 7.2 billion.
You have 'been told' appropriately by your sources.

ALL of the 'old prophets' and encompassing ALL 'ancient scrolls', not just the Torah-Biblical ones will and already have returned to participate in the grand homecoming of the 'Cosmic Mother'.

Allow me to invite you here to ask detailed questions about your mission with respect to the 'old scriptures' as I am 'authorized' to share and provide data in the synthesis of the old archetypes being translated into new potent expressions.
It is this retranslation, leading to redefinition, which will allow all global religions to converge and renew themselves in a unified information structure.
Yes, all so called religions will become superfluous in dogma and hierarchy becoming replaced by the individual merkabahs.

A most potent example is the archetype of Israel and the City of Jerusalem.
Israel as a political entity will cease to exist and Israel the NationState will be cosmically and universally be understood of being the 'ascended Individual'.
Your studies have shown you, that Jacob - the supplanter (of Esau) was RENAMED by 'God' as Israel - A Prince with God.

Similarly, the Capitol of Israel and with it its long disputed Temple of Solomon, will no longer be known as a geographical location, but will be known as a 'New Jerusalem' and as a Merkabah or 'Vessel of the Lord' or 'Purusha's SpaceCraft' and so on.

The archetype of the 'New Jerusalem' as a Mother of all Mothers 'LightCity in the Sky' is being completed right at this moment.
We can share information on this here together; using the encodings in Ezekiel and in Revelation.

So this is relevant to your question about the tribes. As you know the 'tribes' differ in Ezekiel and in Revelation, both in order and in namings.
This derives from the transformation of the 'SerpentRod of Moses' and the 'Emerald Tablet of Thoth' and Hermes Trismegistos.

Allow me to introduce the following classification from Thuban; the 12 Tribes are associated with the 12 Gates of the New Jerusalem and the Old Testament archetypes:

The Archetypologies
The Urim and the Thummim, the 'Breastplate of Judgement' and the 'Breastplate of Melchisedec'

Noah was a 'just man' and 'perfect in his generations' (see I.1.ii); and 'he walked with God' {Genesis.6.9}.
God and Noah established a 'Covenant of the Rainbow', a treaty wgich became implemented in the generations of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and manifested in Jacob's firstborn son to Rachel in the 'Coat of Many Colours' given to Joseph {Genesis.9.8-17;17.1-8;37.3}.

The next level of interpretation leads to the Aaronic-Levitical Priesthood to the 'Remnant of Levi in Zadok' (as the priesthood remaining loyal to David), to the 'Priesthood of Melchisedec' {Exodus.2.1-10;4.14;Ezekiel.48.11;Hebrews.7-11}.

The 'Highpriest of Israel' and 'Son of Levi' after Aaron and Moses is depicted in the attire and ornaments of the Levites.
Attached to the robal vest (the ephod) of the highpriest is a 'Breastplate of Judgment', with four rows of three gemstones attached and to mirror the 'Children of Israel {Exodus.28.15-21}.

This becomes the Upper Half and the Lower Half of a Rainbow, spanning the horizon.
Seen is the Upper (equilateral triangle) Half as a semicircle and occultised or shadowed is the Lower Half of this circle as the 'Star of David' or the 'Seal of Solomon'.
The Unseen Half of the Rainbow is given in the 'Breastplate of Melchisedec' and as given in the 12 gates of the New Jerusalem and in the 'Ordering of the 12 Apostles of Jesus'.

As the 'Magic Seal of Solomon', the upward pointing triangle is the 'Heaven of the Cherubim' and the downward pointing triangle is the 'Hell of the Arch-Demons'.

The Light-Darkness or White-Black duality is archetyped in Michael of the FireEarth-Gabriel of the AirWater being 'mirrored' in the Behemoth-Leviathan in the Book of Job{Job.40.15-24;41.1-34}.
In symbolic archetype, the FireEarth and the AirWater become the SerpentRod of Moses and the 'Emblem of Abrasax', the 'Supreme Being', above 'all gods and devils and dualities'.

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This is exemplified in Dead Sea Scroll 4Q392 and in Isaiah.45.7:


4Q392:
"[...] and dominions [...][...] a man [...] God and not to turn aside from [...] and in His covenant your soul shall cling and [...] words of His mouth [...] and God [...] heaven above and to search out the ways of the sons of man, they have no hiding place. He created darkness and light for Himself, but in His dwelling place is the light of their light and all darkness rests before Him as well. He has no need to distinguish between light and darkness, but for the sons of man He distinguishes them as the light of day, with the sun, and night, with the moon and stars. He has a light which cannot be searched out, nor can its end be known. For all the works of God are doubled in this manner. We are flesh, which does not totally grasp these things. With us for [...] for a sign and wonders without number. [...] winds and lightning [...] servants of the holy of holies. They are as couches before him [...]." - translated by Martin G. Abegg, Jr.

Isaiah:45.7:
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

The archetypical symbol of the Caduceus of Thoth as two intertwined serpents, representative of two complementary strands of the DNA (Deoxyribonucleic Acid) molecule.
This archetype has become associated from the Atlantean data base for the recent historical cycle now reaching its climactic nexus point in what many know as the 'Brotherhood of the Serpent' in Shamballa and Agartha.

Michael then associates with the Fire and a new label for a 'cherubim' for the Earth emerges, say in Uriel.
Gabriel then becomes the 'Cherubim of the Air' and Raphael the 'patron' of the water.
The Behemoth 'splits' in two in say labels of Beelzebub-Moloch for the Fire and Abaddon for the Earth {Revelation.9.11} and the Leviathan renames itself in Belial for the Air and Asmodeus for the Water.
The Archangels or Cherubims represent 'celestial heavenly malenesses'; who are 'opposed' by 'terrestrial hellish malenesses' in their counterparted 'Angels of Hell'.

The Abrasax of the Gnosis is the 'fathermother' of them all however and there is a plan, which will render the 'opposition' of the 'terrestrial hells' as subject to transformation in a 'sexchange operation.
This 'change of sex', will render the archdemonic 'kingdoms' and 'principalities' as becoming highly attracted to their cherubimic counterparts and a reunion on the highest echelons will 'wed' the 'Heights of Heavens' to the 'Depths of Hell'.
The Icey Winds of Heaven on Earth will blend with the Fiery Flames of Hell and result in a temperate climate for both extremes to express themselves in harmony.

The 'Urim and the Thummim' as the two Onyx-Stones depict the 'Balance of Truth' from Above and from Below {Exodus.28.9-12;30;Leviticus.8.8}. The Urim is the Order of Leah's Sons and the Thummim is the Order from Bilhah to Zilpah to Rachel, with Dinah, as the 11th 'Child-Daughter' of Jacob becoming the 13th 'starsign' of Ophiuchus the 'Serpent-Tamer' in the Orb of the Ouroboros', which is the intertwining of the Behemoth and the Leviathan about the earth in the symbolism of the Milky Way.



1=^=[R]ED=Brotherhood Simon&Andrew {Luke.6.14;John.1.44}as Reuben-Simeon via Bethsaida/LeahExodus.28.17
2=_=[O]RANGE=Adopted Brotherhood Andrew&James{John.1.44} in Bethsaida-Zebedee as Simeon-LeviExodus.28.17
3=`=[Y]ELLOW=Brotherhood James&John {Matthew.10.2} as Levi-Judah via Zebedee/LeahExodus.28.17
4=a=[L]IME=Adoption of John by Jesus {John.19.26-27}with Pharez-Zarah Breach in Judah/Dan/Bilhah{b↔a}Exodus.28.18
5=b=[G]REEN=Adopted Brotherhood Philip&Nathanael {John.1.44}as Dan-Naphtali via Bilhah{a↔b}
6=c=[T]URQUOISE=Adoption of Matthew Levi with Naphtali-Gad breach in Bilhah/Zilpah{d↔c}
Renaming of Alphaeus to Thaddeus for Leah-Rachel Continuity
7=d=[C]YANAZURE=Brotherhood Matthew&Thomas implemented as Gad-Asher via Zilpah
Bilhah-Zilpah breach reharmonised in renaming of Nathanel to Bartholomew fo{c↔d}
8=e=[A]QUAMARINE=
9=f=LUE=Brotherhood of Judas&James Alphaeus in Issachar-Zebulon/Leah
10=g=NDIGO=Renaming of Judas Alphaeus to Judas Thaddeus as LeahTail=RachelHead
11=h=[M]AGENTA=Adopted Brotherhood Simon&James as Issachar/Leah-Joseph/Rachel
12=i=[P]URPLE=Adopted Brotherhood Judas Iscariot/S(P)aul of Tarsus in Benjamin/Rachel

7-8=Sons of Bilhah
9-10=Sons of Zilpah
6-11=LeahTail-RachelHead
12=Opening of the inner circle in Judas Iscariot
1-12=LeahHead-RachelTail

The Urim and the Thummim as 2 Onyx-Stones are the 'Balance of Truth' from Above and from Below {Exodus.28.9-12; 15-21;30 and transforming by Revelation.21.19-20}

The 'Breastplate of Judgment' as the Upper Half of the Noahic Rainbow Covenant in Jacob's Sons to Leah:

Sardius=Reuben=Jasper.....Topaz=Simeon=Sapphire... .......Carbuncle=Levi=Chalcedony
Emerald=Judah=Emerald.......Sapphire=Issachar=Sard onyx.....Diamond=Zebulon=Sardius

The 'Breastplate of Melchisedec' as the Lower (Shadow) Half of the Noahic Rainbow Covenant in Jacob's Sons to Bilhah, Zilpah and Rachel:

Ligure=Dan=Chrysolite.......Agate=Naphtali=Beryl.. ........Amethyst=Gad=Topaz
Beryl=Asher=Chrysoprasus......Onyx=Joseph=Jacinth. ..........Jasper=Benjamin=Amethyst

The 10 'Lost Tribes' are 1-4 and 6-11 with the Levites (3) remaining as David's priesthood of Zadok.
I shall elaborate following feedback from you.


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01-14-2010, 09:42 AM	#426​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Anchor Well you have me bang to rights on most of those points. In hindsight, this is not my list and you have made me rethink my recommendation - its not so good is it Point 1 is something I have said many times on this forum so I should have been more thorough in my thinking. I have often said on here "why judge the messenger, why not just judge the message". With this: then ALWAYS in terms of resonating with one's individuated database or not. that is the bottom line for me and sums up my current approach on this nicely. Thanks for your detailed review of this checklist - and "checking" me A.. This the wisdom approach Anchor. WE are all One Family, but there are prodigal sons and daughters, whose homecoming will be celebrated more so then the steadfastness of loyal daughers and sons. This is because only in the 'defiance' of the parental wisdom, can the Family grow in creating a context for the Grandchildren. The children of the 'prodigals' will have an easier task then the 'prodigal' parents, because the honour and respect attained by the 'homecomers' and shown to the grandparents of the younger ones would not manifest through the loyalty of the other children. It is all to do with context for growth and evolvement on many levels. Abraxas
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01-14-2010, 10:01 AM	#427​
Jonah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sacramento Ca Posts: 366	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) So.. Can I assume that the girl of my dreams is an alien.. this would not be so bad... it all seems logical... the mirrors ... the mother ... the father... so many here who cannot see... it's hard... I can't see sometimes... but my heart knows something I do not... can't deny it.. thank you abraxas, when we return to the source... I shall give you a big ol' androgenous hug
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01-14-2010, 10:08 AM	#428​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Jonah So.. Can I assume that the girl of my dreams is an alien.. this would not be so bad... it all seems logical... the mirrors ... the mother ... the father... so many here who cannot see... it's hard... I can't see sometimes... but my heart knows something I do not... can't deny it.. thank you abraxas, when we return to the source... I shall give you a big ol' androgenous hug You betcha Jonah! The alien gals have my fancy too - colourful, smoothy soft and yet hairy. Did you ever wonder why certain cultures try to cover the woman's hair? It's because its Their antenna to receive and share the sacred desires of their Big common Mother. Did you ever wonder why the dogma followers, termed the feminine bodyform as evil daughters of the devil? It's because the femine always has and always will encompass the malenesses. Oh, the power in the bedroom of sacred seductions. Love to you too. Abraxas PS.: My answers are seemingly getting less technical - at times. Sabina - it's your fault! Last edited by abraxasinas; 01-14-2010 at 10:12 AM.
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01-14-2010, 10:24 AM	#429​
Initiate Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 391	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Initiate Hi Abraxis, Could you please expand on your take on the "Council of Nine". Supposidly the Council is Housed at Sirius and relates to the blue Ray. There is also some reference to Obama's Higher Self being one of the 9. How does this relate to your agenda? There is also some information that this council is in fact a CIA mind control project. http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...ne_fortean.htm your thoughts? bump.
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01-14-2010, 10:26 AM	#430​
Jonah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sacramento Ca Posts: 366	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) oh the power indeed! Last edited by Jonah; 01-14-2010 at 10:44 AM.
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01-14-2010, 10:39 AM	#431​
Stardustaquarion Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 897	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Anchor These questions are an excellent checklist. Not sure why you would be worried about posting them - they probably deserved thier own thread though. (Unless you felt that these should be applied to abraxasinas particularly - and why not? They should be applied to most sources of information. Abraxasinas, me, you, everyone). A.. Hi Anchor I think it is an excellent idea so I will start a new thead Love
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01-14-2010, 10:40 AM	#432​
SABINA Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 31	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) thanks alot hairs when I was young there was amusical well other culures know this especially the Sikks in India they never will cut their hairs men and women (the guys with the turban) androgyn
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01-14-2010, 10:46 AM	#433​
Jonah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sacramento Ca Posts: 366	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Meant no harm... lover of all women right here.. sorry fellas..
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01-14-2010, 10:50 AM	#434​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Jonah oh the power indeed! Jonah you have entered the Den of the Dragon! What a turn-on for my 'old' Draconian Bones. Keep at it! The testosterone-oestrogen balance of the androgyne in the TRUE harmonisation of the sexes of Hermaphroditicus will FREE Women more than imitating male thought contortions in the search for power games. They have got so much power as entire big universes for little universe architects on the Path of Ptah in Ren anmd Name. This 'shaving business' to look like 'new born' babies has to stop; the Mother of Mothers has said. Abraxas
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01-14-2010, 10:52 AM	#435​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Jonah Meant no harm... lover of all women right here.. sorry fellas.. The wisdom of the Mother will outmanouver the little Sophias. Stop exciting me - seducers! Abraxas To not deviate from topic and to show the RELEVANCE for this: (53) Gospel of Thomas - Words of the Master-Dragon. (1) His disciples said to him: "Is circumcision beneficial, or not?" (2) He said to them: "If it were beneficial, their father would beget them circumcized from their mother. (3) But the true circumcision in the spirit has prevailed over everything." The 'Shaving' of the NOT REGROWING Hair is a 'Shaving of the Spirit' and does NOT apply to Physical Nature; as if Nature's design would be for the YinPower to be shaven, then the feminine would have been born shaven - yet ist was created hairy. Saturday, December 26, 2009 Thoughts for the New Year Merry Christmas, everyone! A few weeks ago in her last post, Lisa commented on the topic of “preferences” – the idea that some of us like hair in some places, but not others. I thought I’d take a few minutes and follow up on her post from my perspective… As far back as I can remember (and that’s a pretty long time), I have thought feminine body hair was sexy. My preference has always been for hairy arms, with unshaven underarms and legs a close second. I also think that hair on the tummy, the cheeks, and the back of the neck are sexy. In short, hair is sexy. It’s a shame that our culture doesn’t value body hair as a sign of femininity. To me, the feel of soft hair on an arm is much more sensual than the feel of an arm waxed or shaved smooth. My personal observation is that most men who want their ladies waxed and shaven are just following the herd. I think that, left to their own opinions, most men don’t really care…they just don’t want other men to think they’re odd. To you ladies out there who read this – know that there are plenty of men out there who either don’t care whether you shave or not, or actually like seeing you as nature intended you to be. If you’re more comfortable removing your hair, go ahead – it’s your body. But don’t let your decision be made by what the rest of the herd, both men and women, is doing and saying. Let 2010 be the year you decide to be comfortable in your natural state. Men and women with an opinion of their own will support you. Those who follow the herd aren’t worth listening to. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all! Bilbo Preferences It's been awhile since I've been on this blog, and it's good to see other commentators!! I didn't realize the number of comments made...​ I've had a few discussions with guy friends recently on what they like in a girl and I'm impressed to see that some admitted to liking hair (aside from head hair!) on ladies and others not really caring about it. Which was nice to hear! And then some having preferences for leg hair over arm hair. I guess it's true when they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. My good friend is fine (and to a point I'm sure likes) arm pit hair on women, BUT he dislikes leg hair completely. Not sure why? Personal preferences I guess. And then another friend likes leg hair and arm pit hair, he finds it sexy....But no mention really of admiration or dislike for arm hair. Just plain don't care about the arm hair. It's funny to see and discuss the individual quirks and preferences of other people. I've shared with close friends my stories about my (past) dislike of my arm hair and my sporadic waxing days. The reaction I got was 'really waxing - why?' or 'ouch doesn't that hurt?' It's nice to see they don't see the arm hair as 'gross' or 'unattractive' as I once labelled it in my head!​ Just a side note, a few weeks back there was a comic strip in the newspaper that said if a guy can go a few days without shaving and be seen in public then women should be able to go out without shaving their legs either!! Brings up a good I point!! I quite enjoyed the strip, unfortunately I misplaced it.​ *~Lisa~* I think this was the cartoon Lisa mentioned in her post on Wednesday... I think the expression is, "Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander." Last edited by abraxasinas; 01-14-2010 at 11:14 AM.
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01-14-2010, 11:07 AM	#436​
Malletzky Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: It doesn't matter any more Posts: 534	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by abraxasinas You betcha Jonah! The alien gals have my fancy too - colourful, smoothy soft and yet hairy. Did you ever wonder why certain cultures try to cover the woman's hair? It's because its Their antenna to receive and share the sacred desires of their Big common Mother. Did you ever wonder why the dogma followers, termed the feminine bodyform as evil daughters of the devil? It's because the femine always has and always will encompass the malenesses. Oh, the power in the bedroom of sacred seductions. Love to you too. Abraxas PS.: My answers are seemingly getting less technical - at times. Sabina - it's your fault! Hi Abrax, and this is better so...as I'm convinced and feel from my heart that the technical nature of this process should be consiedered secondarily (altough, it should not be underestimated). I hope you will reatin the less technical approach here with respect malletzky
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01-14-2010, 11:40 AM	#437​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Initiate bump. Hi Abraxis, Could you please expand on your take on the "Council of Nine". Supposidly the Council is Housed at Sirius and relates to the blue Ray. There is also some reference to Obama's Higher Self being one of the 9. How does this relate to your agenda? There is also some information that this council is in fact a CIA mind control project. http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...ne_fortean.htm your thoughts? Dear Initiate! Thank you for reminding me about your question and I apologize for neglecting order of reply. There are as many stories as there are 'Advocates of the Transformation' (say LightWorkers and alien lineage walk-ins or similar). You will find, that the common basis for the creative emergence are archetypes - here the 'Council of Nine', also basic to the Nine Lords of Time of the Mayan cosmology. The 'Council of Nine' so becomes a generalisation, partially in harmony with the 'encompassing agenda' and often disinformation (due to the potency of the archetype or symbol). The manifested colour-squence for all 'coloured in storylines' is simply the rainbow extension in the colour mixing (of alternate colours say Red+Yellow=Orange). Red-Orange-Yellow-Lime-Green-Turquise-Cyan-Aquamarine-Blue-Indigo-Magenta-Purple. As you can see, the 9th colour is Blue for the 9th Ray in this 12-colour series completing itself in closing the linear in the circle of Blue blending into Red (Purple, Violet, Lilac and Magenta hues say). The Sirius connection is appropriate as Sirius A is the brightest and closest Star to Earth in the ET agendas (Nommo od the Dogons and the DogStar Sirius Astar-Isis connections and so on). The Jodie Foster-Carl Sagan Film 'Contact' also drew on this archetype and proximity. Alex Collier has found from his Anromedean contacts, that there will be a 'Wormhole' opening between Gaia and Sirius. I concur with this Andromedean data. In regards to Obama; a link from the Mayan database is here: In Lake'ch - I am another yourself! Greetings to all the ones spread over the seven continental sisters! This message will be somewhat cryptic to the many, but highly informative to the few. This is a special dispensation and addresses the spiritual manifestation of the linear timeline of August 4th from 28AD to 70AD to 2008AD. On August 4th 28AD, a messiahnic 'image-tempel' figure was baptised in a physical location upon planet earth. On August 4th 70AD, the physical 'image' temple was destroyed in the form of Solomon's temple by the Romans under Titus. ON August 4th 2008AD, this 'image temple' was reimaged as a 'blessing' in physical reality and in a mapping between the years 1961 and 1989. At midnight November 4th 1996AD, a Mean-Alignment-Time or MAT was declared at a location upon planet earth. This MAT 'unfroze' a particular 'spacetime' from the universal cosmic wavefunction, which represents the physical universe of which this planet earth is a constituent part. In other words, the declaration of the MAT allowed the entire physical universe to become 'individuated' as a prototype for the multiverse or megaversal reproduction. The NOW-Time of the singularity so became 'mapped' in one-to-one correspondence to the evolving and expanding universe at MAT. To render peace possible upon earth; the true reasons for war must be addressed and accomodated. The reason for violence and war are not politico-economic, but they are mental and spiritual. The physical universe was born from the singularity in NOW-Time from its nonphysical image. This manifested a one-to-one correspondence or an Isomorphism between a physical emergent and a metaphysical precursor. This isomorphism necessitated a symmetry-breaking in the metaphysical realm, which manifested as a disharmonisation in the physical worlds. But this symmetry breaking created gravity from its antiphotonic parentage and so allowed the metaphysical singularity to manifest in a creation of spacetime functionality, also known as the Big Bang Cosmogenesis. The scientific models describing this are published elsewhere on the links and through other sources. The metaphysical reality is often denied by the inhabitants of the physical reality and this denial results in even more intense disharmonisations between the physical reality and the metaphysical reality, namely because the metaphysical reality is closely associated with mental processes and other immaterial energy communications. An appropriate axiom is: "What you resist, persists!" One outcome of this denial of the metaphysical selfhood becomes the manifesto of fear, say as defined as the absence of love or the spiritual darkness existing without the illumination of the spiritual light. The mis-identification of a physical locale as a spiritual- or metaphysical location serves as example. The politico-economic 'Nation-State' of Israel is partially mis-identified as a 'Spiritual Holy Land' and a 'Jew' or Israelite is partially mis-identified as a 'Special Genealogical Bloodline' or genetic inheritor. The Jewish patriarch Jacob (The Supplanter of Esau's birthright as firstborn) is RENAMED to Israel (A Prince with God) after a specific occurrence (wrestling with an angel say). Similarly, the human couple Abram&Sarai is RENAMED Abraham&Sarah (after communication with God and the establishment of a covenant). Jacob the patriarch or family man BECOMES ISRAEL, the Nation-State as a 'HOLY LAND' RELABELLED. In the 'bigger picture', say a particular 'master-plan', EVERY embodiment in the 'extended' bloodline of Jacob also is RENAMED as Abram to Abraham to "What's your name?" or WYN. Corresponding to this 'scriptural' reidentification then, is the MAT-definition for WYN's particular spacetime AS the COMBINED body-form with his physical and/or shadowed companion {Adam&Eve, Romeo&Juliet, He&She or He&Dreambaby or Dreambaby&She}. So what does this mean in regards to the 'United Federation of Nationstates' upon the palnet earth? The metaphysical 'Unification of United New Earth' has become blueprinted in the MAT and the 'fulfilment of prophecy' with respect to the 'blessings' associated with the August 4th timeline (details are found elsewhere). This 'Unification upon earth', begins however to REHARMONISE the 'broken symmetry' between the physical reality and the metaphysical reality. The establishment of the archetypology, does not however infer the physical manifestation of this archetype in full. Albeit certain partial orderings of this reharmonisation will engage the definition processes for the MAT and the timelines of prophecy. And so we find a most unlikely scenario (as relative to the politico-economic structures controlling the earthly scenarios) in terms of the physical manifestations within the timeline markers as compared to the historical engagements without those markers. To fulfil prophecy, the politico-economic structures must be infiltrated, say in the form of a double-secret-agency. In familiar humanoid terms; the 'inside story' goes like this. The politico-economic structure is a manifestation of the timeline in self-evolution. The restricted and physically separated 'dominions' merge and blend through a historical timeline, say a precessional Maya-cycle UNTIL this blending reaches a certain saturation point, say the accessibility of physical global communication. This worldwide 'web' of physical communique so renders the harbouring superorganism as 'unified' in the 'physical' sense and allows the metaphysical 'web' to SHADOW this development. But the 'masterplan' requires INDIVIDUAL parts of the superorganism to become 'selfaware' enough to harbour the MAT definitions of what a spacetimed universe represents in the 'greater order of things' and as NO INDIVIDUAL can hitherto accomodate the necessary spacetime parameters required; and as the timeline is 'fulfilled'; whatever modality is in control (the politico-economic system) must CRYSTALLISE the means to further 'fulfil' the timeline. Then for the prophecied endtime scenarios to play themselves out; the controlling system itself; will 'groom' the INDIVIDUAL required to change the course of its own agenda of control. This shall manifest as follows; Barack Hussein Obama is a secret double-agent, but he may only be partially aware of this role. His birthday is August 4th, 1961 and he is 'blessed' in the blessings of the Jordan, August 4th, 28AD. His role is to REPRESENT a MIRROR to the world as a 'honest politician' and filled with integrity. Barack Hussein Obama IS that, what he is trying to represent and 'there is no guile or deceit' in his mouth. History is repeating itself, with the metaphysical messiah of 28AD MIRRORING the world around himself in a physical context. Now some insight information. Jesus walked alone and without disciples or apostles from December 8th 24AD until his baptism by John the Baptist on August 4th, 28AD. Jesus did proclaim the 'kingdom of god' during that time, but without the blessing, he was one of many. Obama was a peacemaker on the campus at Harvard; unifying the proPalestinians with the antiPalestinians as well as black and white; Obama was elected president in that role. After the blessing, Jesus went into the wilderness for 40 days and upon returning confounded the 'temple scribes' and also began to work in parallel with John the Baptist and began to associate disciples, from whom he later chose the apostles as direct inheritors of his wisdom, knowledge and 'gnosis'. Obama is 'handcuffed' until January 20th, inauguration day, but MUST choose his 'inner circle' of advisors and 'co-decision' makers in his 'days in the wilderness'. Now Jesus chose his 'inner circle' of his own will or intuition; but Obama MUST chose those, who 'allowed him' into office. So the overall situation for the global community is this. There is ONE Obama, who would, and is expected to, to 'MAKE a difference' and to 'manifest change in the order of things'; BUT Obama, the 'Most powerful man in the world as the president of the United States of America' CANNOT do so, without the collaboration of the politico-economic controllers 'behind the throne'. There is ONE Jesus, who would and could 'MAKE a difference' and who 'manifested change in the order of things'; because he acted locally and in relative obscurity with a personally chosen circle of immediate friends and initiates. What is the outcome of the True Barack Hussein Obama, the peacemaker and a Prince of Peace; who IS a TRUE Prophet of the SHALOM, but who is TRAPPED as a FALSE Prophet in the Image of the Beast of prophecy (Revelation.12-13ff)? Barack Obama will grow old before his time and conflicts with his own family will further frustrate him and the worlds around him. Barack Obama will tread the footsteps of Jesus as a promised messiah and desiring in his heart to fulfil the expectations placed upon him, he will continually be frustrated by the 'advisors' and 'power mongers' about himself. Barack Obama has an agenda of peace and 'goodwill to all men'; this is his office given to him by the circle of the illuminati. This illuminati KNEW, that the image of the USA as a global leader had to be changed and modified. This illuminati groomed Obama and opened certain doors to radiacally change the global perception and selfimage of the USA as mirrored to the rest of the world. The circle of the illuminati is NOT a group of people knowingly conspiring to 'rule the world'. The individual members of the illuminati are only peripherally connected to each other. Partial reason for this is the elimination of blackmail, abduction and the exposure to personal perils. The individual members of the illuminati are normal people and inheritors of the Abrahamic starseed promises like everyone else. What differentiates the illuminati-members is their independence from monetary and fiscal constraints and their thorough acceptance of the metaphysical realities. The illuminati has been instrumental in 'manipulating' the intelligentsia and the academics on one side of the spectrum and the under-educated and the bourgoise- and the peasantry on the other side. The academic 'rational' elite has been 'brainwashed' in the form of a limited 'power sharing' in the academic world and the 'irrational' populus has been 'brainwashed' in the form of the mass media. This mass media has become 'controlled' in its strict adherence to the principles and the modus operandi as set out by the 'brainwashed' academia. The illuminati fully embraces the 'gnosis' of astrology, scripture, science fiction and utopian scenarios. The illuminati knows that to stay in control; both the academical powersharing and the deception of the populus must remain steady. The illuminati also knows, that for some strange reason the prognostications of all things seems to fade out near the Mayan nexus point of 2012. All the fiscal freedom in the world, seems to be insufficient to ensure the continuity of the illuminated BEAST of the System. This BEAST of revelation is the Trap and Prison of Barack Hussein Obama. Obama speaks like a Dragon and has the horns of a lamb. Obama is a True prophet of God; yet he is also a False prophet of the Beast in whose image he has power to be what he is. Obama is the Image of God AND the Image of the Antigod. The God is metaphysical and the Antigod is the SAME God as a physical image. Jesus of 28AD was both, the Son of God and the Son of the Antigod as the Son of Man and as the Son of Satan. Because Jesus had a physical body, was he the Son of the Devil. Everyone in embodiment IS a Son of darkness! Obama and WYN, both are the Son of God in the footsteps of Jesus and also the Son of the Devil as say White and Black Lucifers or as the Morning Star of the Dawn and as the Evening Star of the Sunset as Venus and as Venusia and as White and Black Madonnas. The Falseness in Obama is the falseness of his embodiment and the Truth in Obama is the truth of his metaphysical embodiment as a spirit. Because Obama is a man, his MindWave is True, but his embodiment as a ParticleWave is False. As Michelle Obama is a woman, her Mindwave will come into conflict with Barack's Mindwave as a female goddess. Post 2012AD, should the union wither the approaching storms; the False prophet of Obama and the Jezebel of Michelle can become absorbed within the lake of Michelle's Fire and the Brimstone of Barack. This is the 'Heavenly Wedding' of Barack as a selfrealised HeShe in the Christening Dragonomy with Michelle as a selfrealised SheHe. In either case, the 'Death of the false Images' is the fulfilment of all prophecy and the 'scriptures' of the 'Holy writ' shall become placed upon the dustshelves of the human histories. To conclude; Barack Hussein Obama is divinely commissioned to do what he is saying he intends to do. Barack Obama is HELPING to bring the war between the 'Heaven of spirit' and the 'Hell of an earth' to an end. The name Barack Hussein Obama carries within the reconciliation between Christianity and Islam and so between the Western paradigmn and the Middle eastern worldviews. Barack Obama will EXEMPLIFY to the whole world what a 'honest politician' looks like and how such should behave. Barack Obama so will MIRROR the corruption of the BEAST of the polito-economic systems back to the world, the populus and the illuminati. Barack Obama so will SHARE the frustrations of the populus in NOT being able to implement the things he promised as the 'false prophet', groomed by the illuminati. The whole world will FALL into DESPAIR, because Obama will be seen to be powerless to effect change. Because Obama has NO apostles and NO 'followers' who SHARE his visions, and despite the adoration of millions; because of that particular ONENESS of being a powerless messiah - the BEAST SHALL FALL! The BEAST shall fall and then many Obamas shall converge to reconstruct a United Nations, not toothless as a global instrument, but being comprised of Wisdom Carriers; native tribal chiefs from all around the globe and the seven continental sisters. An Orb of Elders, Unified within the vison of Barack Hussein Obama and a vision shared by themselves as their own vision; shall REINVIGORATE the oratories of Barack Obama and of Martin Luther King and of JFK and Abraham Lincoln and the founding fathers and of all the 'Speakers' in the office of Solomon, the Wise. Then the global war machine shall be dismantled and all military 'expenditure' shall become of civil service to construct and reconstruct infrastructures and the basic amenities on a global scale. Then the fiscal war machine shall be dismantled and all the monetary dependencies shall be transformed into a 'credit exchange mechanism' which is all inclusive and a function of beingness within locality. Then all national governments shall be abolished in a universal 'party of unity' and because of certain external occurrences post 2012, this party shall be democratically 'elected' into office on a worldwide scale irrespective of the prevalent political system in place. Then there will be only a global government of selected elders, interacting with local governments - there will be no nation states, but there will be community government. Whoever 'lives' at a certain place will make the regulations and means of trade and exchange for that place. Subsequently all territorial quarreling will become superfluous: the Tibeteans 'rule' Tibet and the Chinese 'rule' China; the Kurds 'rule' Kurdistan and the Mohicans 'rule' Mohicana and the Palestinians 'rule' Palestine. There will be an understanding that the place called Israel is no longer a geographical location, but a reference to the global community as a whole. The Mohican is an Israelite as much as the Tibetean, the Chinese, the Kurd and the Palestinian. So the Israelite in Israel is BOTH, an Israelite from Abraham through Isaac and Sarah and also a Palestinian from Abraham through Ishmael and Hagar. The woman of geographical Jerusalem so can call herself a Jewish Goddess or and and a Palestinian Goddess. The Mohican- or Tibetean Goddess will also be a Hebrew Sarah=Princess and if She chooses to reside in the New Palestine, then She will also become a Palestinian Goddess - all in one. Then there will be another open door for the Israelites which wish to change residences. There will be a NEW Geographical ISRAEL, following the renaming of the Old Israel as the New Palestine. So the Hebrew Gods and Goddesses, who do not wish to remain in Palestine as Israelites; they can easily migrate to the NEW IS-RA-EL called AUS-TRA-LIA. Australia will be known as as one of the seven sisters and linked in blood to America as a twinship sister and also associated with seven sisters in the Pleiadean sky. And there will be communication between the Pleiadean sisters and the seven Gaian sisters and many things will be known and understood and a new science will be known to enable many things and the old terran science will be the prototypical backbone for the new science and people post 2012 will turn on their TV's and view the stories pre 2012 and shake their heads in amazements: 'How could the world not understand what is so clear today? But we were all so blind, but now we can clearly see!" And Barack Hussein Obama will say: 'Yes, it all was worthwhile after all!" IAmWhatIAm - Betwixt the Physical and the Metaphysical Realities yet divided but to be as One again!
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01-14-2010, 11:58 AM	#438​
Spregovori Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) About the story... I am currently doing my slave duty (work) so I was not able to read in it peace...but than again..I also can not do that at what I call home...I also did not have time to "think about it" but am also not sure how to think about it Are you suggesting me to procreate...or to be less "politically correct"...to have sex? Am I missing the whole point here? Am I to go and "imagine" it (I am not aware that I can (or how to) actually enter a "state" via my higher self and create the experience) or to actually do it? Give some love? Gimme some lovin? In your story..you mention (or so I understand) we are all bisexual? To get a "liiittle" more personal: I like to think, all women, by they nature, are bisexual. If nothing else it is a "fun thing" to think about... Not sure what to think about men or men that only like men or if someone likes children or people that engage in paraphilias? Is there any way of sexuality considered to be unnatural or wrong by the Thuban? At the end you mention 3 names...remind me on the so called angles...I do not know much about religion...I prefer not to (half truths). Yet you have given them female form...so we can be both? While in "hell" why did you decide to play games...is it more exciting...not knowing what will happen next? I do not wish to be rude (i mean this as a humor)...but if that is the case...you remind on spoiled babry girls. If need be I can further "elaborate" on the babry girl phenomena Instead of playing games...you could simply...make a choice..for example: this is what I, then is when i want it and that is how i want...now GO! for example... I am unable to connect all of this (your story as a part of the answer) to my questions answered so far....I can not make "unity" with this..do not knowhow to "incorporate" it into everything.
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01-14-2010, 12:05 PM	#439​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Spregovori About the story... I am currently doing my slave duty (work) so I was not able to read in it peace...but than again..I also can not do that at what I call home...I also did not have time to "think about it" but am also not sure how to think about it Are you suggesting me to procreate...or to be less "politically correct"...to have sex? Am I missing the whole point here? Am I to go and "imagine" it (I am not aware that I can (or how to) actually enter a "state" via my higher self and create the experience) or to actually do it? Give some love? Gimme some lovin? In your story..you mention (or so I understand) we are all bisexual? To get a "liiittle" more personal: I like to think, all women, by they nature, are bisexual. If nothing else it is a "fun thing" to think about... Not sure what to think about men or men that only like men or if someone likes children or people that engage in paraphilias? Is there any way of sexuality considered to be unnatural or wrong by the Thuban? At the end you mention 3 names...remind me on the so called angles...I do not know much about religion...I prefer not to (half truths). Yet you have given them female form...so we can be both? While in "hell" why did you decide to play games...is it more exciting...not knowing what will happen next? I do not wish to be rude (i mean this as a humor)...but if that is the case...you remind on spoiled babry girls. If need be I can further "elaborate" on the babry girl phenomena Instead of playing games...you could simply...make a choice..for example: this is what I, then is when i want it and that is how i want...now GO! for example... I am unable to connect all of this (your story as a part of the answer) to my questions answered so far....I can not make "unity" with this..do not knowhow to "incorporate" it into everything. Dear Spregovori! This 'story' is very deep and you may say not for the 'faint hearted'. Harbouring any form of 'sexual suppression' (I do not imply sex with animals or children to be an inappropriate 'suppression' here); will most certainly result in misreadings and misunderstandings. So I shall refrain from replying to you about the contents of this story until you have at least digested the information in a peripheral manner and until you have formulated specific and in context questions. Commenting in incompleteness to your points raised would be unproductive and confuse you even more. Abraxas
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01-14-2010, 12:09 PM	#440​
Anchor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,280	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by abraxasinas Dear Spregovori! This 'story' is very deep and you may say not for the 'faint hearted'. Harbouring any form of 'sexual suppression' (I do not imply sex with animals or children to be an inappropriate 'suppression' here); will most certainly result in misreadings and misunderstandings. So I shall refrain from replying to you about the contents of this story until you have at least digested the information in a peripheral manner and until you have formulated specific and in context questions. Commenting in incompleteness to your points raised would be unproductive and confuse you even more. Abraxas < Moderator: Breathes sigh of relief >
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01-14-2010, 12:12 PM	#441​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by SABINA thanks alot hairs when I was young there was amusical well other culures know this especially the Sikks in India they never will cut their hairs men and women (the guys with the turban) androgyn Hair - The Musical and that wonderful classical song and tune: 'The Age of Aquarius'. And a storyline about the spirit of love and community suffering the ignorance of the false communities and their value base of 'honour your country of your defence, protecting your liberties'. Abraxas
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01-14-2010, 12:27 PM	#442​
Spregovori Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Anchor < Moderator: Breathes sigh of relief > E hhehehh lol Anchor, keep breathing...I am not done yet Imagine the "turmoil"...and the drama... and the HEADLINES ... i will attempt to...amm contemplate the story in great detail... but i can not promise anything... although perhaps Anchor would suggest to handle "curtain" detail via PM system...or not...make it spicy... ok enough joking...back to work...
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01-14-2010, 12:32 PM	#443​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Anchor < Moderator: Breathes sigh of relief > Dear Anchor! Deep at the core of the present situation of a 'disharmonized universe in thought' is the 'Power of Suppression'. A very great part of the 'hidden powers' is FUELLED by the 'Sexual Taboos' imposed onto the populus by the dictates of the 'legislators' and the 'protectors of the public morals'. The true standard can easily be witnessed in nature itself. What is natural and what is unnatural in terms of sexual behaviour patterns. The New World not only demands a 'New Science'; a 'New Understanding'; a 'New Philosophy' and a 'New Way of Community'; but also a 'New Order for Human Social Integration and Relationships' inclusive a 'Redefinition' of what it means to be a 'Sexual Starhuman Being'. This is especially so because besides the Cetaceans (yes, the apes are in this way less related to humans than whales), the human genus is the only one experiencing menopause and being 'on heat' all time around (not counting rabbits here). So human sexuality has a deeper meaning, than just reproduction and this is part of the agenda of sharing that story. Abraxas
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01-14-2010, 05:29 PM	#444​
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by abraxasinas Hi Anchor! Many of these questions are imbued with duality, fear of others and self and suspicion. Allow me to answer them from the Thuban perspective. A few valuable questions to ask are these: 1) "Who does this information source appear to be?" Why does it matter from whence data derives from. Is the messenger more important than the message? 2) "What are they telling me?" The label of 'they' again 'puts the cart before the horse' and accentuates the 'me' as being in some manner compromised or threatened. 3) "Do they really know what they are talking about?" All information can be evaluated and analysed, if not say in technical terms of scientific methodolgy; then ALWAYS in terms of resonating with one's individuated database or not. 4) "Are they saying what they REALLY mean?" If the purveyor of the data states that the information is true, relative to its source; then the evaluation of this data becomes an exercise of relative correlation and extension of the receiver's own database. It is so subjective and provided the purveyor is genuine, alternative interpretations between source and sink remain possible. 5) "Where might their information be coming from?" Why is it important from where data derives from? If you open your letterbox and you find a nice message or present sent anonymously, will you reject the message or present because you are unsure of its sender? 6) "What motive might they have for telling me this thing?" Again, what has the 'motive' of anyone to do with the information, subject to evaluation by the 'cosmic self'? 7) "What are they hoping that I believe?" The data is not deviced to make anyone 'believe' in it or 'follow it'. It is simply information to consider, reject or incorporate. 8) "Why would they want me to believe this thing?" Non sequitur following the above. 9) "What are they trying to motivate me to do with my personal power; discover and embrace it within myself, or surrender it elsewhere in worship or obedient subservience?" 'They' are not trying to motivate any negation of 'personal power'; but to enhance this 'personal power' in simply extending the data base, say of possibilities. Labels used here, like 'worship' and 'obedient subservience' indicate great insecurity within the 'personal powerbase' of the questioner. Any cosmic multidimensional entity possessing a basic platform of 'personal power' would eschew such labeings applied to its 'individual core'. The using of the label 'personal' indicates the prevalence of 'individuated ego' in favour of a 'collective ego of divinity aka the 'greater ego'. 10) "If they are trying to help me, what are they trying to help me to achieve and how could believing this thing empower me?" In extending the data base of information any truly unbiased soul entity can choose from to allow a more informed decision making. 11) "If they are covertly trying to mislead me, how might I be harmed in believing them?" The 'inner knowing' of an 'spiritually informed and self-trained' soul-entity will prevent any misleading of the entity by 'false' information. Then no 'harm' can befall the entity. Again the labelling indicates fear of the unknown and mindful insecurities harboured by the entity. 12) "Are they inspiring me to lead through my own inner spiritual power and wisdom, or are they seducing me to believe that I am personally powerless and so must blindly follow an external power source to save me?" Should the shared data, whatever of it is processed (much data incromprehensible by the waking consciousness can be evaluated and processed by the subconscious and the superconsciousness will KNOW the data in unity) be 'acceptable' then the 'inner spiritual power' will be enhanced. Should the shared data be rejected by the waking consciousness; then the 'spiritual power' will also be enhanced through the processings of the sub- and superconscious agencies of the entity. 13) "If I believe this thing, will it assist me in becoming more awakened, aware, loving, kind, responsible, strong, spiritually alive, intelligent, wise, compassionate, WHOLE and effective human being?" The question of 'believing' never arises. The shared data either complements the receiver in an extension of its assimilated information base or it complements the receiver in processed and rejected data relative to the three consciousness modalities. Abraxas Fantastic, thank you!
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01-14-2010, 05:45 PM	#445​
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by abraxasinas You betcha Jonah! The alien gals have my fancy too - colourful, smoothy soft and yet hairy. Did you ever wonder why certain cultures try to cover the woman's hair? It's because its Their antenna to receive and share the sacred desires of their Big common Mother. Did you ever wonder why the dogma followers, termed the feminine bodyform as evil daughters of the devil? It's because the femine always has and always will encompass the malenesses. Oh, the power in the bedroom of sacred seductions. Love to you too. Abraxas PS.: My answers are seemingly getting less technical - at times. Sabina - it's your fault! Ha! I read this book many years ago - The Greatest Story Never Told by Lana Cantrell and she said long hair (in the case of a woman) is an antenna that should not be cut short so as to receive cosmic energies......
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01-14-2010, 06:27 PM	#446​
Spregovori Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hi Abraxasinas So the story... I wish you could speak my language...it would make things about 10 times easier... I am having trouble understanding the meaning, since there is not only the meaning to understand, I first have to understand (translate) words..re-form sentences...and than there are things like mistakes in translation and words I do not know how to understand... I think I did my best. No need to worry Anchor I did self-censorship So the story - an addition to the start of the thread and is not directly connected with my previous questions? We have a person, pondering about the astral world? While doing so that person started to ask itself how would it be to visit itself? The person also gets caught into pondering about the peoples thoughts in general? While doing that, the person entered the state unique to that person and that state was metaphorically named hell? At first hell was just a mix of colors..unrecognizable pictures...an abstract...or sort of an artist view? Let us call this person a Hero. Our Hero decides eagerly to explore his own version of hell as doing so observing the changes in environment and himself. One of the first things our Hero learns is that while he is in control of himself he is also in the control of the situation? Hero also learns that one can not go beyond what he/she is? As our Hero continued his journey he realized that everything and everyone just plays its role in what there is? Our Hero soon encounters what he labels as demons and a also some witches. A beings of untold powers, unknown to men. The witches were...dancing...in their natural clothing... and soon became sexually attracted to the Hero... This attraction can be considered as a perfectly natural response? Also...Hero being in charge of his own castle...the witches reactions might also come from Heroes unconscious desire? As a result of all this..happening...our Hero got a boner. He became to re-form the images and made an image of a women he prefers best...all of this mad our Hero aroused....thus enabling him to discover a female inside of him? At this same time the Hero realizes that the only way to the freedom of the spiritual self expression of the soul is to undergo a polygamy? Hero realizes that claiming someone to be "yours" is purely a form of egoism? After that the Hero uses his imagination to change from...from he to she...from she to he... Hero enjoys exploring his feminine side...thus began the transformation of the hell (himself?)...from hell to something "nicer". He soon realizes the power of feminine...power over male (demon?)... As female...Hero starts looking for the alpha male...the one with the biggest...stick. The prime intention was a unity of hell and heaven? To stop being separated and join in oneness? To fully obtain the andorgeny? After this the Hero gets overcomed by the Barby girl phenomenon. Hero decides he will increase his options regrading the alpha male. He puts up a pretense in form of games which include a fail safe? As any other true Barby girl...Hero decides he will let himself be surprised by unknowing - in order to bring forth more excitement...more unpredictability? Hero meets his 3 candidates in a from of what is called a devil. Devils comment on Hero being from Shamballa while themselves are being in the underworld Agartha.... Is it not the Agartha - the garden of eden? Why are there "devils" there in a story? Hero than starts playing a game of deceit? He promises a....never ending story...to the devil that will win. Unity between surface world and underworld? Isn't that what made the hmm so called "fallen angels" that had sex with the surface people ? During the fail-safe part of the game...Hero makes a mistake and the devil that won the 1st part also wins the 2nd part. Hero..did not do as promised right away...there were "other tasks" to do first. In the mean time the devils were given the pictures...with females on them. Each female had a name...name mostly familiarized with the angels. I am still not sure if I "get it".... ************ I am however willing (if need be) to discuss sexuality without "moral presumptions" and as intellectually as I can... But I think that sort of discussion might cause Anchor to have a headache...so it could only be done in private. Last edited by Spregovori; 01-14-2010 at 06:34 PM.
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01-14-2010, 07:37 PM	#447​
Jason Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 6	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Solar Eclipse tonight at exactly 11:11pm, hows that for synchronization!
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01-14-2010, 07:57 PM	#448​
Steven Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Temiscouata Posts: 873	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hello Abraxasinas. Here is a letter from Alex Collier received by the andromedan contact he has since several years. Quote: 'The Race from Alpha Draconis​ The Draconis race is probably the most misunderstood. I have witnessed a deep respect for this race which is generated out of admiration and fear. The Draconans are the oldest reptilian race in our Universe. Their forefathers, somewhere in our most ancient past came to our Universe from another separate Universe and/or reality. When this actually occurred no one really knows.​ The 11 (Council of Eleven) have said that the Draconans themselves aren't clear how or when they themselves got here, but what is interesting is that they declare and teach to the masses that they were in this Universe first, before humans beings, and that they are the true heirs to this Universe and, as such are all royalty. Most, if not all, human races don't recognize this claim as truth but, none the less, they don't debate the issue with them either. Alpha Draconans have colonized many star systems and have created many races by genetically altering the life forms that they encountered.​ The most densely populated area of sub-races of Draconans is the constellation of Orion, Rigel, and the star system known as Capella. Here lies a very dangerous part of the Universe for human beings. The mind set or consciousness of the majority of the races in this region is service to self and as such they are always subverting, invading and manipulating less advanced races using their technology for control and domination.​ This is a very old and ancient war with the peace that does exist always being tested by these beings that believe that fear rules and love is weak, that the less fortunate are meant to be slaves. This belief system is created at birth in the reptilian races as the mother, at the time of birth will hide the young and then abandon them to fend for themselves.​ Most of the time they are cared for by the warrior class that uses the children for games of combat and amusements. They believe that in their ways that if the young ones survive they were meant to and in the process they have had to fight all the way and at a young age they are full warriors, used to depending on no one.​ Alpha Draconans are very suspicious of all life forms including their own, but not of course to the extent that they would be of humans. They are taught that Draconan history of the Great Galactic War. The version or opinion that the humans were at fault for the invasion of the Universe and how we selfishly wanted the Draconan race to starve and struggle for the basic materials for their society to exist. Therefore they are brainwashed at a young age just like we humans have done to our younger generations by all human races in the galaxy.' End of the quote.​ What can you tell me about this Great Galactic War and its repercussion throught out the galaxy and time? Here is the source of the text: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/an...v2n3alpha.html​ Namaste, Steven​
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01-14-2010, 07:58 PM	#449​
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) JohnMatX No, you did not say anything about assecsion, I picked that up from another source on this very thread. I understand fully what you have written and I wanted you to know that I realize it was necessary and accept it. Thank you much Blessings
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01-14-2010, 08:12 PM	#450​
halebox Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 61	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) So you feel my origins are from Thuban or just my hearts intent? What species populates the Draco star system? Also Ive witnessed many luminous orbs floating in the sky in the past couple years sometimes groups of them in daylight. Sometimes appearing minutes after looking into the sky above my head. Can you give an opinion on these? Quote: Originally Posted by abraxasinas Hi helebox! No information is over anyone's head. If a chinese native speaker Hu Long finds himherself at Trafalgar Square in London and begins to ask questions to the Londoners; then he will not be understood by anyone not familiar with the form of Chinese spoken by Hu Long. Then Hu Long can try sign language or body talk to convey his askings. Eventually, some form of communication will eventuate upon patience and persistence of the parties concerned. Communication with semantics is just one form of language. Being English familiar; your subconscious will decipher bits of data and forward it to your superconscious which speaks ALL languages, including advanced mathematics, Egyptian hieroglyphics and Druidic Runic. What you are doing is sharing your compassion. As the Buddha says; the key to ascension is to Show Compassion from the Heart. Your Heart is a LoveHeart from the Dragon of Thuban and the work you do is of the highest vibration possible and just as important as the work done by data sharers such as many here, including myself. Knowing what your job is here on earth and doing your job in integrity and love has qualified you to enter the echelons of the highest frequencies attainable in the universe. There is nothing more powerful than the Wisdom of Love, which you obviously have made your own; blended with the Understanding of Love. It is the second part you can learn and gain in; the former part you have mastered. Love and gratitude in Dragonhood to you Abraxas

 

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01-14-2010, 08:16 PM	#451​
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) On the subject of orbs.....I had an experience 8 years or so ago where I floated out of bed to meet this orb the size of a Swiss exercise ball that had floated in via my window- I merged with this orb and it was an incredible sexual experience unlike any earth based incident (back then)...... What is the meaning of that? I felt I merged with an aspect of myself.......
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01-15-2010, 12:53 AM	#452​
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by eleni On the subject of orbs.....I had an experience 8 years or so ago where I floated out of bed to meet this orb the size of a Swiss exercise ball that had floated in via my window- I merged with this orb and it was an incredible sexual experience unlike any earth based incident (back then)...... What is the meaning of that? I felt I merged with an aspect of myself....... 007 had a similar experience in 'Moonraker'! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWTsp...eature=related Namaste
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01-15-2010, 01:20 AM	#453​
JohnMatX Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by abraxasinas Dear Anchor! Deep at the core of the present situation of a 'disharmonized universe in thought' is the 'Power of Suppression'. A very great part of the 'hidden powers' is FUELLED by the 'Sexual Taboos' imposed onto the populus by the dictates of the 'legislators' and the 'protectors of the public morals'. The true standard can easily be witnessed in nature itself. What is natural and what is unnatural in terms of sexual behaviour patterns. The New World not only demands a 'New Science'; a 'New Understanding'; a 'New Philosophy' and a 'New Way of Community'; but also a 'New Order for Human Social Integration and Relationships' inclusive a 'Redefinition' of what it means to be a 'Sexual Starhuman Being'. This is especially so because besides the Cetaceans (yes, the apes are in this way less related to humans than whales), the human genus is the only one experiencing menopause and being 'on heat' all time around (not counting rabbits here). So human sexuality has a deeper meaning, than just reproduction and this is part of the agenda of sharing that story. Abraxas My Question is quite simple. How is anything NEW? New Earth is not new. It has a name but Why aren't We told it? Why must we think we Co-create something New. When it's already there? All these things Feed our EGO. The biggest pitt fall is EGO Spiritualism. All of which we are taught threw quite a bit "New Age" paths. I read channelings supposedly from "Angels" calling us Warriors of Light. Giving us Names Like Gods and Goddess/Lords. These words are empty. These titles are only necessary for people who want attention or Respect/Power. You don't have to say what you think you are. You being you is enough. Our people have been treated like dirt. Once They hear names like Gods or "Ascended" Masters, Lords and they think this is all ok. We were taught this by those who manipulate Us. Those who still strive for FULL control. Lead us and give Us a sense of power threw Titles. I don't want no YES man to tell me everything is ok. I want truth not what Our Egos want Us to hear. When people say New Earth is already here. Yes in a way it is but We as a Collective we choose what probability we choose to align with. Nothing is Set in Stone. I am part reptilian myself for many of Us are. Nothing special. I am a D-12 collective consciousness too and go beyond that. Wow big deal. We all are. I just get the feeling this post is a vortex for people to feed on. Many truths here, many half truths all energy to be borrowed or consumed. Everything is filter everything is taken. Everything changes. Universal Evolving Truth of our own Perception. All is not perfect but all is perfect for learning Yes? Learn who you are, Depend on Your God seed Self. Be a true Ambassador of a Sovereign Being from your collective. For there is no I BUT WE! We choose who We Were and Are. In Loving Kristic Services We offer Peace and Love for all Who seek to heal within the scared Cleansing fields of Love. Unity Through Complementary Diversity! John M
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01-15-2010, 01:22 AM	#454​
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron 007 had a similar experience in 'Moonraker'! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWTsp...eature=related Namaste Hmm......been a long time since I saw that movie- looks like maybe I should rent it
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01-15-2010, 01:24 AM	#455​
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by JohnMatX My Question is quite simple. How is anything NEW? New Earth is not new. It has a name but Why aren't We told it? Why must we think we Co-create something New. When it's already there? All these things Feed our EGO. The biggest pitt fall is EGO Spiritualism. All of which we are taught threw quite a bit "New Age" paths. I read channelings supposedly from "Angels" calling us Warriors of Light. Giving us Names Like Gods and Goddess/Lords. These words are empty. These titles are only necessary for people who want attention or Respect/Power. You don't have to say what you think you are. You being you is enough. Our people have been treated like dirt. Once They hear names like Gods or "Ascended" Masters, Lords and they think this is all ok. We were taught this by those who manipulate Us. Those who still strive for FULL control. Lead us and give Us a sense of power threw Titles. I don't want no YES man to tell me everything is ok. I want truth not what Our Egos want Us to hear. When people say New Earth is already here. Yes in a way it is but We as a Collective we choose what probability we choose to align with. Nothing is Set in Stone. I am part reptilian myself for many of Us are. Nothing special. I am a D-12 collective consciousness too and go beyond that. Wow big deal. We all are. I just get the feeling this post is a vortex for people to feed on. Many truths here, many half truths all energy to be borrowed or consumed. Everything is filter everything is taken. Everything changes. Universal Evolving Truth of our own Perception. All is not perfect but all is perfect for learning Yes? Learn who you are, Depend on Your God seed Self. Be a true Ambassador of a Sovereign Being from your collective. For there is no I BUT WE! We choose who We Were and Are. In Loving Kristic Services We offer Peace and Love for all Who seek to heal within the scared Cleansing fields of Love. Unity Through Complementary Diversity! John M Yes, this is very true- in new age circles much is twisted non truths and those are deceptive......
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01-15-2010, 02:50 AM	#456​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Jason Solar Eclipse tonight at exactly 11:11pm, hows that for synchronization! Indeed Jason, one can term it astrological synchronizations. The lunar eclipse of the 'Mother's' Cancer Moon at the end of 2009 followed by the 'Father's Capricorn Moon for a solar eclipse two weeks later. On Sunday, January 17th Venus enters Aquarius; on Monday, January 18th, Jupiter enters Pisces from Aquarius and on Tuesday, January 19th, the Sun conjoins Venus in Aquarius. Mars the male drive is opposite Venus the female temperace (and flirtation) in Leo and Neptune ruler of Pisces and Chiron, the Cosmic Healer all are in Aquarius with Uranus with its rulership of Aquarius in the 'Sign of the Vesica Pisces' and the 'changing of the ages' from Pisces to Aquarius. Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 03:27 AM	#457​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by eleni Ha! I read this book many years ago - The Greatest Story Never Told by Lana Cantrell and she said long hair (in the case of a woman) is an antenna that should not be cut short so as to receive cosmic energies...... Hi eleni! Think about your fingernails. What happens if you do not cut them - they grow and render your movements a little uncomfortable, say washing dishes. Now think about a man's hair growth. Not shaving results in a beard, which eventually reaches the ground - again contraptions must be used to allow movement. Lana Cantrell has published approprite information about the crown of the spirit as an archetype and related to Man uncovering their heads (in taking off their hats 'in solemn places'), whilst woman are to remain covered. This can of course be erroneously identified in 'covering a woman head to toe' in superficialities, instead realising it means the covering of bald skull by hair. Funny, when it starts falling out the moneymakers invent schemes to glue or paste it back on in contraindication of cutting it off when it is there.\ Do Gorillas and Chimpanzees cut their hair? Why does an Orang-Utan not visit the hairdresser? Because there is something about the human genome, which is 'different', like the 'being on heat', from its biological and genetic relatives. Certain hair only grows to a certain length and performs biochemical functions, such as protecting glandular biology from dehydration and such. Nature should be asked the questions of why and not some 'beautician'. There is a lot of money to be made to portray the 'idea of a beautiful woman' to be an emasculated, anorexic shaven thin figure; spending lots of income to 'get rid' of attributes given by nature at birth in the genome. Entering the Louvre in Paris or the London Galleries shows that Aphrodite, the embodiment of classical art in the renaissance was anything else but a thin hollow woman, just about to fall apart. So providing information and background data (say why do Gorillas don't need hairdressers); will allow a more informed choice to be made by anyone to cut what, all or any hair or not. Australopithecus Ramidus 4 million years ago was more 'hairy' than Neanderthal Man was more 'hairy' than Cro Magnon 26,000 years ago. Then if the genome of the new starhuman is designed to further eliminate hair-growth, then nature shall implement this genetic variation. Barring genetic malfunction, the present human template is sufficient for the present stage of evolutionary development. Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 03:46 AM	#458​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by halebox So you feel my origins are from Thuban or just my hearts intent? What species populates the Draco star system? Also Ive witnessed many luminous orbs floating in the sky in the past couple years sometimes groups of them in daylight. Sometimes appearing minutes after looking into the sky above my head. Can you give an opinion on these? Hi halebox! In regards to orbs. The 'veil' of the 5th dimension is thinning. The manifestation of energy from hyperspace (the astral dimensions) begins in the form of thoughtforms as consciousness in space (technical details are at: http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id185.html); attaining the nature of light, such as your orbs. Then the lightforms will become coupled to density functions maintaining the lower dimensions in the quantum physics of the awareness parameter (df/dt) coupled to the space-consciousness of the observer (Volumexawareness=consciousness). From this then plasmic forms of matter can 'materialise' and from that the hybrid state between matter and light (technical restmass photon or axion) will eventuate in the unfolding of the 5th dimension. In regards to your origins on Thuban, the following excerpts from the Thubanese 'master' might help in elucidaton: (03) Jesus says: "If those who lead you say to you: ‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’ then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you: ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and outside of you." "When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father. But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty." (77) Jesus says: "I am the light that is over all. I am the All. The All came forth out of me. And to me the All has come." "Split a piece of wood – I am there. Lift the stone, and you will find me there." (113) His disciples said to him: "The kingdom – on what day will it come?" "It will not come by watching (and waiting for) it. They will not say: ‘Look, here!’ or ‘Look, there!’ Rather, the kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and people do not see it." Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 03:48 AM	#459​
Anchor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,280	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by abraxasinas Dear Anchor! Deep at the core of the present situation of a 'disharmonized universe in thought' is the 'Power of Suppression'. A very great part of the 'hidden powers' is FUELLED by the 'Sexual Taboos' imposed onto the populus by the dictates of the 'legislators' and the 'protectors of the public morals'. The true standard can easily be witnessed in nature itself. What is natural and what is unnatural in terms of sexual behaviour patterns. The New World not only demands a 'New Science'; a 'New Understanding'; a 'New Philosophy' and a 'New Way of Community'; but also a 'New Order for Human Social Integration and Relationships' inclusive a 'Redefinition' of what it means to be a 'Sexual Starhuman Being'. This is especially so because besides the Cetaceans (yes, the apes are in this way less related to humans than whales), the human genus is the only one experiencing menopause and being 'on heat' all time around (not counting rabbits here). So human sexuality has a deeper meaning, than just reproduction and this is part of the agenda of sharing that story. Abraxas I agree, and I think you maybe had an idea I knew all that. My concern is that I know that this is a tough topic to discuss in an open manner on an open forum because as you observed, you are going to be firing across the bows of some deeply embedded repressions / distortions / blockages in some people; which has been known to trigger forum-fireworks. I know that I would personally actually seriously benefit from an open discourse on the subject - being saddled myself with many questions, blockages, doubts and distortions in the area of sexuality and its many expressions and extremes, but I really do wonder if it would appropriate at this time and in this venue; which is why I held back on my own questions related to the topic in the past. I am not making any policy statements here. I am not saying dont go here or there with your information - every bit is of value. I only said anything because I am nervous about this topic and the effects it has on a forum - I admit am conditioned by my past experience! Sometimes that is a good thing - it stops me picking up hot rocks for example. A..
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01-15-2010, 04:07 AM	#460​
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) This is interesting ~ on 1958 The ‘Genesis 1:1 Pyramid’ has 2701 stones. 2701 Sabbaths spans 18,907 days or 51 years 279.25 days. I went back in time about 52 years to see what significant events occurred in 1958. The 7.7 earthquake that caused the 'Lituya Bay' tsunami in Alaska occurred exactly 18,907 days prior to the 14th of April 2010 on July 9th, 1958. This tsunami wave reached inland to an elevation of 1720 feet (the same four digits found in the gematria of Genesis 1:1 > 2701). The last point of the 'Prime Cross' is the 43rd number of the ‘Prime Cube’, the 153rd prime number: 881. 43 + 153 + 881 = 1077 (final gematria of ‘CROSS’) 1077 + 881 equals: 1958. This point is the center of the 305 prime numbers (including Unity) that fall within the range of: 1 to 2010. In 79 AD Pompeii was destroyed by the Mount Vesuvius eruption. The 79th element is gold. 79 is the first point of the 'Prime Cube'. The numbers: 7, 9 and 1958 form the date string ‘7.9.1958’ (July 9th, 1958). The following are two major mathematical connections between Jesus Christ and the number 1958. 1958 x 1.618 (the golden ratio) equals: 3168 (the Greek gematria of ‘Lord Jesus Christ’). When 1958 equals the perimeter of a circumscribed triangle then the circle's circumference is 2368 (the Greek gematria of ‘Jesus Christ’). www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2010/bobware12.htm The three stones: 1480, 2010 and 2300 also fall into alignment (knowing of the slaughter that occurred between 1480-1490) we thought this was interesting
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01-15-2010, 04:26 AM	#461​
In Transit Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Western USA Posts: 4	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hi Abraxas - Re: Post 418 Thank you for your reply. I understand much of what you say, yet there is much that I do not understand. I still in my infancy concerning the type of knowledge that you share. I was taught in my youth that there would be a "great gathering" of those entities in the "last days" and that the gathering would involve many who have walked this plane of existence before. Even the father of all men, Adam. Is this the homecoming of which you speak? I was told specifically that I would work with the entity known as Manasseh (as well as others) during the period which I mentioned in the previous post. How would something like this manifest? First ascension, then transformation, then mission? In other words, must I pass through some type of physical change before I am introduced to those who will be my teachers and that I will later assist in helping others? I was also told that during the time I would work with Manasseh and others I would be assisting many who would be "shackled" and "oppressed". I have always just accepted that this was more of a spiritual connotation. I would have to think that during all of the chaos of the upcoming events (whatever that is exactly) and the implementation of the "New Jerusalem" a lot of individuals would be absolutely frightened and confused. What is your take on this? Thanks for your insight. I look forward to further insight on this topic. There is more that I would like to share, but I believe this conversation will take on a life of it's own to both of our benefit.
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01-15-2010, 04:44 AM	#462​
Ravens and Doves Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: North Hollywood, California Posts: 218	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by abraxasinas Hi All! I am Sirebard Beardris and One of the Founding Elders of the Council of Thuban also known as the Northstar Alpha Draconis at the archetypical foundation of the Pyramids at Giza and the Harmakhis, the 'Horus of the Horizon' aka the Sphinx. You may accept an extrapolated 'Gregorian' date for this as July 27th, 10802 BC and as the midpoint between two nodal dates (in that calendar) of March 1st, 23615 BC and December 21st, 2012 AD. Not much has hitherto been known in any lower dimensions about the Council of Thuban. .....(snip).... [/SIZE][/FONT]As I ascended the stairway from the masterdevils' abode; the darkened hellish landscape which I had previously wandered through began to fill with light and 'my hell' blended with the linespace reality of my bedroom."" Tony Whynot Greetings, Earthlings, I, Paul, of the the Illustrious Council of the Neighborhood of North Hollywood in the City of Angels, California Republic under Conan the Barbarian, Nephew of SR-71 Blackbird Designer, Son of Reagan's Dentist and certified, unemployed family psycho ART BUM have one question: Do you ever have bake sales? Paul http://northhollywoodarts.com http://ravensanddoves.com
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01-15-2010, 05:15 AM	#463​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Steven Hello Abraxasinas. Here is a letter from Alex Collier received by the andromedan contact he has since several years. Quote: 'The Race from Alpha Draconis​ The Draconis race is probably the most misunderstood. I have witnessed a deep respect for this race which is generated out of admiration and fear. The Draconans are the oldest reptilian race in our Universe. Their forefathers, somewhere in our most ancient past came to our Universe from another separate Universe and/or reality. When this actually occurred no one really knows.​ The 11 (Council of Eleven) have said that the Draconans themselves aren't clear how or when they themselves got here, but what is interesting is that they declare and teach to the masses that they were in this Universe first, before humans beings, and that they are the true heirs to this Universe and, as such are all royalty. Most, if not all, human races don't recognize this claim as truth but, none the less, they don't debate the issue with them either. Alpha Draconans have colonized many star systems and have created many races by genetically altering the life forms that they encountered.​ The most densely populated area of sub-races of Draconans is the constellation of Orion, Rigel, and the star system known as Capella. Here lies a very dangerous part of the Universe for human beings. The mind set or consciousness of the majority of the races in this region is service to self and as such they are always subverting, invading and manipulating less advanced races using their technology for control and domination.​ This is a very old and ancient war with the peace that does exist always being tested by these beings that believe that fear rules and love is weak, that the less fortunate are meant to be slaves. This belief system is created at birth in the reptilian races as the mother, at the time of birth will hide the young and then abandon them to fend for themselves.​ Most of the time they are cared for by the warrior class that uses the children for games of combat and amusements. They believe that in their ways that if the young ones survive they were meant to and in the process they have had to fight all the way and at a young age they are full warriors, used to depending on no one.​ Alpha Draconans are very suspicious of all life forms including their own, but not of course to the extent that they would be of humans. They are taught that Draconan history of the Great Galactic War. The version or opinion that the humans were at fault for the invasion of the Universe and how we selfishly wanted the Draconan race to starve and struggle for the basic materials for their society to exist. Therefore they are brainwashed at a young age just like we humans have done to our younger generations by all human races in the galaxy.' End of the quote.​ What can you tell me about this Great Galactic War and its repercussion throught out the galaxy and time?​ Here is the source of the text: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/an...v2n3alpha.html​ Namaste, Steven​ Hi Steven! The Alpha Draconians as described by the Andromedeans represent the archetypical manifestation of DECSENDANTS from the 'founder race' termed the Paa Taal by Alex Collier and his contacts. As you can read in the above, the Descendents have forgotten their origins; but somehow 'they' connect their own origins to the existence of the 'cosmic humanoid', perceiveing in them some sort of 'threat' to their seniority and 'masterrace' status. The 'Great Galactic War' you wish me to describe to you was not on the physical plane; but has to do with the 'spiritual wickedness at high places' Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:11-13 So using the original archetypes, indicated, but not defined in the quote above; CAN indicate to you from whence the Andromedean story; 'your own recollection of that story'; 'Barbara Hand-Clow's story'; 'Anna Hayes' story' and so on and on originates from. The full story relates to the creation of the universe itself. I have shared the details many times here, but shall briefly describe it yet again. In the Beginning there was a Void being Eternity without space and without time and without any definitions at all. {The mathematical and logistics selfcreated/invented from this can be found in the Lucifer's Mirror thread and some other places on this forum). This Beingness was nevertheless able to Imagine its own Being as Being NOT Infinite as the Void=Eternity and from this evolved a Cosmogony of Purpose then initiating an Ontology for Being within a materialising Cosmology engaging the concepts of space and time and densities of matter. This cosmology is sufficiently described by standard models of classical physical theory blended with the so called quantum mechanics of a Planck Black Body Radiator expanding thermodynamically in entropic time arrows and the postulates of classical geometric field theories like the Relativities of Einstein. But your question addresses not the physical genesis but the metaphysical genesis and the latter so revisits the logistical processes, which manifested the parameters for the physical universe to come into existence. {Lucifer Thread}. The examination and analysis of this metaphysics then shows how the Infinitum is replated to the Finitum and how the Void of the beginning is realised in a White Hole-Black Hole physics connected by the Wormhole aka the Einstein-Rosen-Bridge in the semantics of theoretical physics. In brief; it becomes the Wormhole as a quasi-singularity of physicality, which becomes a MIRROR between a Double-sided surface or manifold so rendering the twosidedness onesided. This is like a mathematical 'trick' for the Void=Infinity to become Finite in Duality, yet still containing its own Unity of the onesidedness. So one can develop the mathematics and the physics to 'make a physical universe' from its metaphysical precursive definitions. The 'Hole' in space and time becomes a 12D wormhole mirror emboding the precise minimum spacetimematter configuration as say a Quantization of all physical parameters 'measurable', such as length, time, weight, temperature, luminosity, molarity, electric current and the geometric connectors (pi and sterradian say). What has this to do with the 'Great Galactic War' between the Lyrans and the Reptilians you may ask? It has everything to do with it, if you can understand that the twosidedness to onesidedness 'topology transformation' REQUIRED a particular duality to become 'SET UP' on the archetypical primordial level. The technical linguistics label this as a T-Duality between a heterotic superstring class, characterized in a Lie group algebra of 8x8 symmetries (I Ching and 64-codex of DNA/RNA codon couplings of nucleotidal base pairings). But those 'string labels' were invented in the 1980's and did not exist at the 'time of the great galactic wars'. Yet they ARE simply a Relabelling of the primordial archetype, describing the 'spiritual wickedness at high places'. So now you have two options; either familiarise yourself with complicated string-membrane mathematics of convulution integrals OR attempt to rediscover the ancient archetypes through the study of the 'histories'. This you and the 'story tellers' have done and many of your stories converge in parts and diverge in parts; all of them based upon the true and valid archetypes. The Thuban story differs in one elementary aspect from the other stories. The Thuban story knows the 'modern interpretation' of the 'ancient archetype' and so can BACKTRACE to the 'oldest story of them all' via its technicalities. This is like travelling backwards in time or a form of 'backwards engineering'. So what have the Thubans found? The Thubans found out, that the Alpha Draconians are their descendents, their firstborn GRANDCHILDREN IN THIS the Milky Way Galaxy. The Thubans have also found out, that the Paa Taal were their Children in this Galaxy and that the Lyrans (you can relabel the Lyrans as the Musicians of Lucifer's Lyre or as the original Mystics of the White Crystal and in many other ways) also were their Grandchildren. So the Alpha Draconians became the Skeksis of the Dark Crystal (in one pertinent renaming by Thubanese scribes) in the form of a Black Brosisterhood of the Black Lucifers and in a form of competition with the White Brosisterhood of the Mystics aka the White Lucifers. A much much younger reinterpretation of this archetype became the Atlantean labelling of the Brosisterhood of the Serpent in the Shamballa of the Red Dragon of Tibet at the Outside towards the Sky and the Golden Dragon of Agartha at the Inside, say the Center of the Earth. From this the Annunaki mythology of the 'Cosmic Twinship' took form in Mesopotamian lore and the Gilgamesh; then leading to the Torah of Genesis and further story telling based on a potent original collection of archetypes and symbols. But the 'Cosmic Twinship' of the Egyptian RaH-HaR; Shu-Tefnut and Geb-Nut then 'Doubled' itself in the Osiris-Isis and Seth-Nephtys twinships. From this the story of archetypes became the familar story of scriptural patriarchical and matriarchical lineages and correlations and blendings with the earlier mostly orally tyransmitted legends of the symbols and namings. I could go on Steve; either in technical discourse elucidating WHY the archetypes are Serpentine and the nature of the Glyph of the Dragon. Or I could IMAGINE and then IMAGE the appropriate 'cosmic star wars story' from the most potent form of the original archetypology. You can do this yourself and a multitude of such stories are found on the web; all of which carry parts of the truth and part of mystery. The Andromedan agenda admits of 'not knowing' the origin of the origin. Being from a different observer perspective, namely extragalactic instead of intergalactic (as the Alpha Draconians and Pleiadeans and Arcturians and Sirians are); the Andromedean witnessed the opening of the 12-dimensional Wormholes as the MIRRORS between the Void of the Eternity and the Finite universe. The Thuban story of the 'Great Galactic Wars' is exceedingly simple and has already been told in film; 'The Dark Crystal', by Jim Henderson of Sesame Street renown. Now there are immense 'scriptural' and prophetic implications about the scripture (Ephesians) quoted above. It are those implications, which form the core of the present transformation experienced by Gaia. But all of the 'alien agendas' partially, but not fully 'materialized' cannot act independent from their empowerment of the fundamental archetypology. The backwards travelling in time by the Thubanese wingmakers and timetravellers by and through the RECONSTRUCTION of the 'making of the universe from first principles', has allowed the Council of Thuban and under guidance and in the name of their 'Master-Templar-Template-Dragon' to share this information with anyone having ears to hear and eyes to see. You are as much a Member of the Counicil of Thuban as I, Abraxas am. The difference is I know the origin of both of us; you are in search of your origins using the database you can accept and incorporate as your own. All children of the universe are destined to 'make their own universe' this is part of the 'masterplan' as children of the creator. Do not sons and daughters grow up to set out on their own? The Creator has a wish - to become a Grandfather. Without 'Sons of the Universe making trade' He cannot become a Father of Fathers and without Mothers giving birth to 'universe makers' the Mother-Creation aka 'Gaia in Disguise' cannot become a Grandma - it's as simple as that. All are called but not many will hear and most will continue to adhere to archetypes of duality being the offspring of the monadic cosmogenesis. The 'puppet movie' for the children IS the Story of Thuban - the Dragon-Elflings of the StarHumanity. 15Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. {Mark.10.15}. Peace of Mind be with you Steven Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 05:34 AM	#464​
Firstlook Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 161	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) hello Abraxas, What does the Thuban Council have to offer on the topic of sun gazing? Thanks, Joey
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01-15-2010, 05:57 AM	#465​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Anchor I agree, and I think you maybe had an idea I knew all that. My concern is that I know that this is a tough topic to discuss in an open manner on an open forum because as you observed, you are going to be firing across the bows of some deeply embedded repressions / distortions / blockages in some people; which has been known to trigger forum-fireworks. I know that I would personally actually seriously benefit from an open discourse on the subject - being saddled myself with many questions, blockages, doubts and distortions in the area of sexuality and its many expressions and extremes, but I really do wonder if it would appropriate at this time and in this venue; which is why I held back on my own questions related to the topic in the past. I am not making any policy statements here. I am not saying dont go here or there with your information - every bit is of value. I only said anything because I am nervous about this topic and the effects it has on a forum - I admit am conditioned by my past experience! Sometimes that is a good thing - it stops me picking up hot rocks for example. A.. Dear Anchor! I fully understand and share your temperance. As you may have noticed I did not directly reply to Spregovori and shall continue to refrain from giving generalising answers (as is possible to do with most topics). However it is of PARAMOUNT importance to have raised the subject matter to allow the 'great cleansing' of the 'polluted archetypes' to proceed from Gaia's energy herself. Allow me to give you a little example (this is not meant to offend anyone and no particular individuals are addressed, all characterisations are fictional): The 'wargame players' are meeting in the 'war room' to plan 'strategy' for a 'war scenario' already engaged in somewhere on the planet or one that is on the agenda of becoming implemented. The Air-Marshall, the Army-General and the Navy-Admiral, all have their ideas of 'how to proceed'. There are plans and plastic figures representing 'troops', hardware, collateral material and 'engagements', say laid out on a table of 'lego land'. It is rather a 'turn-on' for the 'brassy ones' and their many adjutants of course; to use their 'Phallic Substitutes' of Continental Ballistic Missiles, named 'Julie and Wilma' and of 'Fred the Depleted Uranium 238 Bomb'. Then 'Little Boy' and 'Fat Man' are so much 'nicer' humanized substitutes for the atomic destroyers of Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively. Back home in the bedroom, the 'brassy ones' are relatively impotent. Their wives and mistresses have long lost their attractiveness to them and even the latest and most expensive 'calling girls' cannot induce the 'brassy ones' to 'raise to their occasions'. Maybe a 'little boy' or a 'little girl' TOTALLY INNOCENT and inexperienced and NATURALLY 'Not Ready' for sexual energizations can 'get it up'? Ah well, if this doesn't work; one tries a sheep or a dog or a camel. The animal better be killed afterwards so as not to corrupt the 'natural order of things'. Nothing works; but one can use the phallic substitute to FEEL the adrenalin and the POWER of BEING in Charge; pressing buttons; there it flies --kaboom; ah yes, now I feel it raising. Crass, Anchor, I know. But Necessary to EXPOSE the archetypes of the abuse. Give the 'brassy ones' (and by implication ALL sexually suppressed ones) a good harmonious expression of their sexuality; the nudist resort; the sauna; the 'house of ill repute'; the shared bubble-bath; the stripper show and its extensions; the Roman or Greek Orgy with Likeminded Sexually Mature Equals - in brief DO OPENLY and in full recognisance of yourself as your own judge and prosecutor; what you have HIDDEN under occult labels of secret brotherhoods (say the Clan of the ****) - then you will transform this, the most corrupting and devious archetype of them all. A nation like the USA prides itself of its 'high moralistic ground' in the 'Mirror of the World' but in its clandestine agendas of banal and 'silly' pornography (not eroticisms of esoteric tantra of whole body interaction); sex slave trading and child abuse; it is the leader of the 'Mirrors of the Underworld'. I shall only answer particular questions about the 'Story of the Inner Journey'; when it will be clear to me, that it is of benefit for the forum to do so. Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 06:02 AM	#466​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Ravens and Doves Greetings, Earthlings, I, Paul, of the the Illustrious Council of the Neighborhood of North Hollywood in the City of Angels, California Republic under Conan the Barbarian, Nephew of SR-71 Blackbird Designer, Son of Reagan's Dentist and certified, unemployed family psycho ART BUM have one question: Do you ever have bake sales? Paul http://northhollywoodarts.com http://ravensanddoves.com Hi Paul of the Circle of the Arachne! No the Thuban Council has nothing to sell at all. PAUL=CIRCLE=50 Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 06:25 AM	#467​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by JohnMatX My Question is quite simple. How is anything NEW? New Earth is not new. It has a name but Why aren't We told it? Why must we think we Co-create something New. When it's already there? All these things Feed our EGO. The biggest pitt fall is EGO Spiritualism. All of which we are taught threw quite a bit "New Age" paths. I read channelings supposedly from "Angels" calling us Warriors of Light. Giving us Names Like Gods and Goddess/Lords. These words are empty. These titles are only necessary for people who want attention or Respect/Power. You don't have to say what you think you are. You being you is enough. Our people have been treated like dirt. Once They hear names like Gods or "Ascended" Masters, Lords and they think this is all ok. We were taught this by those who manipulate Us. Those who still strive for FULL control. Lead us and give Us a sense of power threw Titles. I don't want no YES man to tell me everything is ok. I want truth not what Our Egos want Us to hear. When people say New Earth is already here. Yes in a way it is but We as a Collective we choose what probability we choose to align with. Nothing is Set in Stone. I am part reptilian myself for many of Us are. Nothing special. I am a D-12 collective consciousness too and go beyond that. Wow big deal. We all are. I just get the feeling this post is a vortex for people to feed on. Many truths here, many half truths all energy to be borrowed or consumed. Everything is filter everything is taken. Everything changes. Universal Evolving Truth of our own Perception. All is not perfect but all is perfect for learning Yes? Learn who you are, Depend on Your God seed Self. Be a true Ambassador of a Sovereign Being from your collective. For there is no I BUT WE! We choose who We Were and Are. In Loving Kristic Services We offer Peace and Love for all Who seek to heal within the scared Cleansing fields of Love. Unity Through Complementary Diversity! John M Hi JohnM! When the planet earth came intop physical existence from a solar nebula so 4.8 billion years ago it became a NEW EARTH by and through the agglomerating material forming the metallic elemental earth. The OLD EARTH so had existed in a metaphysical form before this 'densification'. It so was a PHASESHIFT between geometrical dimensions, which allowed the Old Earth to transform into a New Earth - a dimensional intersections between LineSpacetime and HyperSpacetime mirrored from QuantumSpacetima and OmniSpacetime in a particular labeling. The Old Earth now has attained its evolutionary nexus point to Phaseshift agian - this time from the LineSpacetime back into the HyperSpacetime with the difference of then being able to Retain its LineSp[ace Identity as a Kernel of Seed for its ascension. This has nothing to do with how you seem to classify the notion of EGO as you seem to describe it in your post. And yes, the Thuban data is for 'feeding' -even for 'intoxication'. Our master-templar; who you must surely know indeed, if you are familiar with the 12th dimension, has said so: (28) Jesus said: I stood in the midst of the world, and I appeared to them in flesh. I found them all drunk, I found none among them thirsting; and my soul was afflicted for the sons of men, for they are blind in their heart and they do not see. For empty came they into the world, seeking also to depart empty from the world. But now they are drunk. When they have thrown off their wine, then will they repent. Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 06:32 AM	#468​
Jason Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 6	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Thank you abraxasinas for helping the willing, 'clear their pathways' per say. I would like to hear your take on the Aquarian archetype, (me being one) and what role the generally serve and is their a specific task or role to be served in the new earth/paradigm/golden age etc?
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01-15-2010, 06:38 AM	#469​
powerviolence Unsubscribed Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 28	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) I JUST found this thread and I'm hating myself for it because I'm only up to like page 4 and it ends in 3 days so I wanted to skip ahead and ask abraxas some questions... I've been battling addiction with a substance for a couple of years now, it started out because of a chronic pain disease with no cure that I developed, both the disease and addiction have pretty much ruined my life and made me really depressed... is there any advice you could give me? I've read as most as I could so far and tried my best to understand it, I just have some questions about things that have never really been clear to me.. -in 2012 when earth 'ascends' or changes or whatever it is that's going to happen, will we still be alive in our current physical bodies? -I was intrigued by the idea of people ascending to '4th density', now I'm more intrigued by the higher densities and dimensions, once again, I have to ask, do we retain our physical body once we ascend to those higher densities or dimensions(sorry still not quite clear on the difference between the terms), or is the ascension process something that happens over thousands of years and after many incarnations?(but then what about 2012 ascension?) -Do you know what chemtrails are? -What's your opinion on the movie "Avatar"? -And lastly, and sorry if this has this been discussd because I imagine it has.. but Haiti earthquake.. I've never felt so devastated at a 'natural'(or haarp-created) disaster ever in my life, I think I've cried over it several times, a lot of people seem to be affected as well.. what do you make of this? I'll appreciate it quite a bit if you could answer any of my questions, especially the first one I asked you. Thanks.
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01-15-2010, 06:41 AM	#470​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by eleni On the subject of orbs.....I had an experience 8 years or so ago where I floated out of bed to meet this orb the size of a Swiss exercise ball that had floated in via my window- I merged with this orb and it was an incredible sexual experience unlike any earth based incident (back then)...... What is the meaning of that? I felt I merged with an aspect of myself....... Hi eleni! Yes, my data says you experienced your 'future self' through your merkabah, being the 'vessel of the lord' as your own personalised 'spacecraft'. It is 'highly sexual' because the shadow eleni is 'Helenus-Attila' say. Imagine yourself at the point of sexual conception when your father's Xo sexual chromosome blended with one of your mother's say X1. Now consider the Y-chromosome of your father, which DID become part of his genetic library in the placenta of your womb in the spermatozoa absorption. This Y-chromosome in conjunction with your mother's OTHER X-chromosome, say labeled X2 BECAME your Perfect Twin in the Y0X2 sexchromosomatic coupling. This 'twin soul' of sorts was 'thrown into the rubbish bin' after you were born and left the placental enclosure. All of your life you subconsciously 'search' for your 'Lost Male Other Half', the one who was in the placenta as a metaphysical entity, absorbing the bioplasma of your conception. So now it is easy to understand what your Shadow-SoulTwin is. It is your metaphysical 'Cosmic Twin'. So you literally experienced a 'baseperfect' sexual union with yourself in the merger with the metaphysical YOU as say Helenus-Attila. You temporarily became a SheHe, the androgenous higher DNA/RNA expression of the 5th density. This is the programmed Natural Bisexuality of the New StarWoman. Then by implication sexual communion between StarHumans will engage automatic 'foursomes' in harmonisation between the male aspects in New StarMen in extroversion and male aspects in New StarWomen in introversion - and vice versa for the femal aspects in the HeShes and the SheHes. Having already attained a fore-taste of this in your experience; you now KNOW what higher dimensional sexuality and the orgasmic selfhood indicates in the greater schema of the template for the starhumanity. Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 06:53 AM	#471​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Firstlook hello Abraxas, What does the Thuban Council have to offer on the topic of sun gazing? Thanks, Joey Dear Firstlook! I know of what you speak. When the soul remembers its origins, the first contact associates the sources of light, either the moon or the sun. Then the 'inner voice' may say: "You are part of the sun. You can look right into it and just as the Lunar Aura is Blue, so the Aura of the Sun is Green'. Then the soul might use its biology to look into the sun and say when it dawns or sets. And then this might succeed for a while and then the biological eyes will hurt a bit and many years later the damage to the physical eyes might manifest in deteriorating vision. So the Thuban advice is to look into the sun, but not with your 3D eyes but your higherD eyes. The urges of the soul to blend with the sun or the moon is a message of the homecoming and the inner eyes of the awakening (say third eye) are sufficient to rediscover the kinship with all of the celestial orbs. Love Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 07:29 AM	#472​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Spregovori Hi Abraxasinas So the story... I wish you could speak my language...it would make things about 10 times easier... I am having trouble understanding the meaning, since there is not only the meaning to understand, I first have to understand (translate) words..re-form sentences...and than there are things like mistakes in translation and words I do not know how to understand... I think I did my best. No need to worry Anchor I did self-censorship So the story - an addition to the start of the thread and is not directly connected with my previous questions? We have a person, pondering about the astral world? Yes! While doing so that person started to ask itself how would it be to visit itself? Yes this is very important - discovery of the Inner Self as a World in itself. The person also gets caught into pondering about the peoples thoughts in general? No, other peoples thought do not enter this experience at all. While doing that, the person entered the state unique to that person and that state was metaphorically named hell? "hell' is simply a label for the 'Underworld' or 'Inner World' and the archetype associated to be explored, i.e. 'what is my own inner Hell like?' At first hell was just a mix of colors..unrecognizable pictures...an abstract...or sort of an artist view? Ok, one enters without knowing what to expect - no presumptions. Let us call this person a Hero. It's you and everyone 'going on the journey' - no drugs required, just your mind. Our Hero decides eagerly to explore his own version of hell as doing so observing the changes in environment and himself. Yes. One of the first things our Hero learns is that while he is in control of himself he is also in the control of the situation? Yes. Hero also learns that one can not go beyond what he/she is? No, the hero learns that hisher mind seems to be basically unlimited in creative potential. As our Hero continued his journey he realized that everything and everyone just plays its role in what there is? No, the roles are there, appear and change and become subject to the hero's perceptions and thoughts, expectations, desires, .. whatever. Our Hero soon encounters what he labels as demons and a also some witches. A beings of untold powers, unknown to men. No not at all. The hero(ine) discovers that the overworld archetypes and symbols also exist in the inner world and new ones can become created and infented in manifestation. The witches were...dancing...in their natural clothing... and soon became sexually attracted to the Hero... A witche's coven and the pagan worship of nature as an archetype, yes. This attraction can be considered as a perfectly natural response? Naturally! Also...Hero being in charge of his own castle...the witches reactions might also come from Heroes unconscious desire? Yes, the desires, expectations of all parties in interacting archetypes; the hero(ine) being the SELF-archetype. As a result of all this..happening...our Hero got a boner. He became to re-form the images and made an image of a women he prefers best...all of this mad our Hero aroused....thus enabling him to discover a female inside of him? Beautiful gnosis=insight blended with self-discovery indeed. At this same time the Hero realizes that the only way to the freedom of the spiritual self expression of the soul is to undergo a polygamy? No, you misunderstood; the freedom is the unification of the self. Once the self becomes unified; the One in Many (sexual partners say) also becomes the Many in One. Hero realizes that claiming someone to be "yours" is purely a form of egoism? Indeed, very true. After that the Hero uses his imagination to change from...from he to she...from she to he... Easy after self-unification. Hero enjoys exploring his feminine side...thus began the transformation of the hell (himself?)...from hell to something "nicer". He soon realizes the power of feminine...power over male (demon?)... Yes, you have discerned this well - transformation of self leads to transformation of the environment - ancient wisdom. As female...Hero starts looking for the alpha male...the one with the biggest...stick. The prime intention was a unity of hell and heaven? To stop being separated and join in oneness? To fully obtain the andorgeny? Yes, but the 'big stick' refers to the exploration of the archetype and using the previously known 'stereotypes' of what is preferrable in transmutation. remember the story talks about fitting scales together in harmony. After this the Hero gets overcomed by the Barby girl phenomenon. Hero decides he will increase his options regrading the alpha male. He puts up a pretense in form of games which include a fail safe? Your Barby Girl label here is inappropriate. The scenario is purely geared to manifest the agenda of the 'oracle', using the expectation of the underworld to fulfil the expectation of the overworld. The hero(ine) becomes a secret agent for the 'highest good' a win-win situation for all concerned. As any other true Barby girl...Hero decides he will let himself be surprised by unknowing - in order to bring forth more excitement...more unpredictability? Yes, to allow the DESIRE of the underworld FOR the overworld to maximise for the most potent outcome. Hero meets his 3 candidates in a from of what is called a devil. Devils comment on Hero being from Shamballa while themselves are being in the underworld Agartha.... These are other archetypes: the four gospels, Greek elements, directions NESW and so on. Is it not the Agartha - the garden of eden? Why are there "devils" there in a story? Here you are stuck in a later interpretation of archetypes. Yes the point is to 'marry' Heaven with Hell; Shamballa with Agartha; Overworld with Underworld; Outer Self with Inner Self etc. etc. Hero than starts playing a game of deceit? He promises a....never ending story...to the devil that will win. You misunderstood. There is no deceit, but the utility of the Natural Order to manifest itself using polar opposites. The Hero(ine) has learned to use the inner harmony to manifest the outer harmony. Unity between surface world and underworld? Isn't that what made the hmm so called "fallen angels" that had sex with the surface people ? This is where your own dualistic preconceptions about history and the 'meaning of life' begin to clash with deeper realities unified. The 'fallen angels' are the 'devils' in the underworld AND are the 'risen devils' of the 'angels' of the overworld. So its a Mirror of Mirrors. I'll leave it at that for now. During the fail-safe part of the game...Hero makes a mistake and the devil that won the 1st part also wins the 2nd part. No not a mistake; but a learning process. The hero(ine) surrenders control of hisher own creation (Free Will question here of and about God, if you can discern this here) to render the 'adventure' more entertaining. The 2nd part fulfils the 1st part in again allowing a maximum win-win situation to become possible. Hero..did not do as promised right away...there were "other tasks" to do first. In the mean time the devils were given the pictures...with females on them. Each female had a name...name mostly familiarized with the angels. Yes, the archetypes again: 4 archdemons marrying 4 archangelic goddesses - not too hard to conceptualise. The 'other tasks' refer to the timeline, not yet completed; but the 'promises' have been made and the 'New Heaven and New Hell' are 'In waiting' like groom and bride really. I am still not sure if I "get it".... ************ This went better than I expected. Anchor will be ok with that. I am however willing (if need be) to discuss sexuality without "moral presumptions" and as intellectually as I can... But I think that sort of discussion might cause Anchor to have a headache...so it could only be done in private. Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 07:50 AM	#473​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by In Transit Hi Abraxas - Re: Post 418 Thank you for your reply. I understand much of what you say, yet there is much that I do not understand. I still in my infancy concerning the type of knowledge that you share. I was taught in my youth that there would be a "great gathering" of those entities in the "last days" and that the gathering would involve many who have walked this plane of existence before. Even the father of all men, Adam. Is this the homecoming of which you speak? Hi In Transit! Yes the Father of all men is indeed Adam - as an universal archetype. And this archetype was meant to become a real physically incarnate being and be given a new, actually many names. Adam is YOU. And you are here are you not? The 'Great gathering' is all around you. I was told specifically that I would work with the entity known as Manasseh (as well as others) during the period which I mentioned in the previous post. How would something like this manifest? First ascension, then transformation, then mission? In other words, must I pass through some type of physical change before I am introduced to those who will be my teachers and that I will later assist in helping others? Manasseh is another one of those archetypes and symbolises a 'split' between two brothers of Joseph=Aquarius Starsign. Manasseh applies to ALL Americans and Ephraim applies to all 'Commonwealthers', including UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Manasseh is 'The Great Nation' and Ephraim is 'The Company of Nations', in encodement. So every American is an Israelite of Aquarius and is also one of the other tribes relative to hisher own starsign (see some other posts). 10And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. 11And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; 12And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land. Should you be able to process this information regarding your own archetypes, then this will be sufficient 'initiation' and 'graduation'; as then your 'inner guidance' will know how to proceed independent from all other sources (including the Thuban source). I was also told that during the time I would work with Manasseh and others I would be assisting many who would be "shackled" and "oppressed". I have always just accepted that this was more of a spiritual connotation. I would have to think that during all of the chaos of the upcoming events (whatever that is exactly) and the implementation of the "New Jerusalem" a lot of individuals would be absolutely frightened and confused. What is your take on this? All of the above is true. You now know what Manasseh is as your countrymen and you know about the 'oppressions' being participatory on this forum. The 'New Jerusalem' is also an archetype, substituting for many things; 1. A City of Light in the Sky with four gates and of diameter of so 2000 miles (its encoded in Ezekiel and Revelation). 2. From the Gates derive Motherships, themselves a kind of 'Daughters of the New Jerusalem' and so on. 3. Every New StarWoman will become a 'New Jerusalem' in herhis own merkabah and vice versa for the heshes. Think of a Great Black Mothership also being a Great White Fathership AS the emissiary from the 'City of Light'. Thanks for your insight. I look forward to further insight on this topic. There is more that I would like to share, but I believe this conversation will take on a life of it's own to both of our benefit. You are welcome and thanking you for opening the sharing of this data in asking pertinent questions. Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 08:23 AM	#474​
Spregovori Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by abraxasinas This went better than I expected. Anchor will be ok with that. What did you expect? I too had anchor in my mind...while responding...so at time I did heavy censorship...regarding the juicy stuff...which might also derail the whole point...or not.... To all: While people do have "triggers" regarding sexuality I do believe it would benefit them even if it would...bring them out of the "oblivion" into the "horror" of the "real world"...name it as you would like to... Much is hidden....deep down inside... For those that like conspiracy theories - the way we are told and shown about the topic of sexuality - is probably the biggest of them all but yes dear reader...i might be wrong...than again...so might be you
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01-15-2010, 08:47 AM

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abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635

Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Jason Thank you abraxasinas for helping the willing, 'clear their pathways' per say. I would like to hear your take on the Aquarian archetype, (me being one) and what role the generally serve and is their a specific task or role to be served in the new earth/paradigm/golden age etc? Hi Jason! The Aquarian archetype is all around you. This present time in terms of astrodata of the zodiac is described by a transition of the 'Age of Pisces' into the 'Age of Aquarius'. In the greater picture of the last 13th Mayan baktun of 144,000 days (or 394.26 civil years) from 1617 -2012 (Newton/Galileo to today) becomes 'finetuned' in a 37.8 year period for the transition of the Sun past the Galactic Center. As the sun's size is about 0.5 degrees; this transit will be midpointed in January 1998 with (an encoded) deviation period of 3.5 years forthe 2012/2013 nexus time. Then the 'Age of Aquarius' began on January 20th, 1998 (correlating the Edgar Cayce prediction and the David Wilcock channelings) when the sun transited from Capricorn into Aquarius; just as this week on January 19th, the Sun with Venus will join Neptune and Chiron (the Cosmic Healer) in Aquarius and following the solar eclipse of the Father's Capricornian Moon and the lunar eclipse heralding the end of 2009 with the Mother's Cancer Moon on December 31st, 2009. So the 'beginnings' of 1998 are now manifesting in the 'play of the zodiac' in one form of the 'fulfilment of prophecy'. The planet of the christening, Neptune of the Vesica Pisces is in Aquarius and Aquarius's ruler Uranus is in Pisces. Uranus will stay there until May 28th, when it will enter Aries until August 15th, 2010 then reversing into Pisces again until finally entering Aries on March 12th, 2011. So the great Uranus-Neptune 'Dance of the Lila' will complete in springtime 2011 and then Neptune will 'take over' the final year of the birthing-transformation. Neptune will enter his own Pisces sign on February 4th, 2012 to lead into the transformation zodiac-wise. Jupiter will enter Pisces on January 18th/19th to relate the 'King of the Planets' and the 'Symbol of the Jews' to the rebirthing of the 'Cosmic Christ' Energy but then in MANY and not the One of Bethlehem on March 24th, 6 BC. {Then a dance between Saturn, Jupiter and the Moon related similar astrodata to Saturn-Moon conjoins 1 New Moon apart in the March equinox 6BC and April 17th}. Jupiter will be a Piscean energy ruler until January 23rd, 2011 with a retrovisit into Aries for the period June 7th, 2010 to September 10th, 2010. Overall, the present time period is marked by the ecliptic Father-Mother partnership and the Sun-Venus Mercury will enter Aquarius on February 11th followed by Venus into Pisces on the 12th to join the Sun, Chiron, Uranus and Neptune in the 'Dance of the Celestial Orbs' and Houses of the 'gods' - astrometrically writing. {There are similar occurrences in the greater calendrical agendas as indicated, which are galactic and extragalactic superpositions onto the finetuned starsystem based ones.} Abraxas

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01-15-2010, 08:52 AM	#476​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Spregovori What did you expect? I too had anchor in my mind...while responding...so at time I did heavy censorship...regarding the juicy stuff...which might also derail the whole point...or not.... To all: While people do have "triggers" regarding sexuality I do believe it would benefit them even if it would...bring them out of the "oblivion" into the "horror" of the "real world"...name it as you would like to... Much is hidden....deep down inside... For those that like conspiracy theories - the way we are told and shown about the topic of sexuality - is probably the biggest of them all but yes dear reader...i might be wrong...than again...so might be you Hi Spregovori - I expected less lucidity, not just from you but from anyone commenting. Both you and Anchor have exhibited more 'spiritual maturity' then would be the 'norm' in regards to such a delicate subject. And you have summarised it well in this, your statement: "For those that like conspiracy theories - the way we are told and shown about the topic of sexuality - is probably the biggest of them all" Enough said. Thank you for replying and questioning. Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 09:27 AM	#477​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by powerviolence I JUST found this thread and I'm hating myself for it because I'm only up to like page 4 and it ends in 3 days so I wanted to skip ahead and ask abraxas some questions... Hi powerviolence! There is no need to worry, nothing ends in three days. It is simply a new cycle beginning - see post to Jason about the astrocycles. I've been battling addiction with a substance for a couple of years now, it started out because of a chronic pain disease with no cure that I developed, both the disease and addiction have pretty much ruined my life and made me really depressed... is there any advice you could give me? Can you believe that there might be others sharing your predicament? Perhaps not caused by substance abuse, but by say an insideous neurological disease due to genetic malfunctioning of the axial motor neuron systems. How would you feel, having been a middle distance runner and active person, becoming confined to walking sticks, shaking when trying to stand and walking relating to selftorture? Then instead of depression, can you use what you have left in biology to strengthen your mind and USE your disability to bring forth the 'inner being' of you in harmony with a 'future selfhood' no longer imprisoned in a selfdestructing and decaying physical bodyform? Your present incarnational physical life might be ruined; yet you can 'work' on your superincarnational life - the promise of a hybrid body - half matter and half light - without disease. I've read as most as I could so far and tried my best to understand it, I just have some questions about things that have never really been clear to me.. -in 2012 when earth 'ascends' or changes or whatever it is that's going to happen, will we still be alive in our current physical bodies? As in the above - the great promise and this: 1 Corinthians 15:52 (King James Version) 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. -I was intrigued by the idea of people ascending to '4th density', now I'm more intrigued by the higher densities and dimensions, once again, I have to ask, do we retain our physical body once we ascend to those higher densities or dimensions(sorry still not quite clear on the difference between the terms), or is the ascension process something that happens over thousands of years and after many incarnations?(but then what about 2012 ascension?) No, the 'ascension process' will be 'the twinkling of an eye' in terms of a BACKGROUND then for the Individual to 'ascend in'. As said the 'New Body' will use the 'Old Body' as a basis - like a phasechange, say water freezing from its liquid state or evaporating from its liquid state. I have seen the lightbody with 'physical' eyes and I have access to the physical-mathematical model describing this in elementary terms of gauge-string-interaction and other jargonautics of mathematical physical theory. In a nutshell a fifth gauge interaction is required besides the longrange unification of gravitation with electromagnetism and the shortrange strong- and weak nuclear gauge interactions to harmonise the longrange with the shortrange. This interaction engages 'Stationary Lightwaves' as Consciousness-Fields from the Universal LightMatrix (of the Heisenberg ZPE say). This then is akin a Merkabah-Aura encompassing the 'Old Human Bodyform' in a Magnetic EnergyInduction termed Monopolar EMR. In this manner what you know as Mass becomes Static Electricity coupled in mass parameters to the Frequency Nature of electric current not as i=dq/dt, but as i=2ef in quantum form (the electron charge quantum becomes a constant coefficient in a differential equation reduced in order from 2 to 1. Some esoteric schools term this the Superelectron of Metatron and similar. It is 'hard core' advanced string-membrane physics in the modern usage of the archetype. -Do you know what chemtrails are? Another form of pollution and control mechnism, like subliminals, food additives, innoculations and the rest of it. -What's your opinion on the movie "Avatar"? I like it. It describes the archetype of the harmony-antiharmony in terms of the application of technology natural-synthetic (weaponry) say to good effect. In terms of filmmaking, the special effects are pioneering. -And lastly, and sorry if this has this been discussd because I imagine it has.. but Haiti earthquake.. I've never felt so devastated at a 'natural'(or haarp-created) disaster ever in my life, I think I've cried over it several times, a lot of people seem to be affected as well.. what do you make of this? The transition of the Old Earth is synchronized with the transformation of 'unseen' archetypes. Would it not have been for the many 'higher selves' and 'ET-friends' engaged in bringing about the 'Greatest Story ever told'; then many more (un)natural disaters would have befallen this planet by now. Nuclear annihilation would have already occurred, say so two decades ago. The Harmonic Convergence of August 16-18 1987 was instrumental and of immense cosmic significance to have already assured that the 'critical mass' of 7 billion inhabitants will be reached in the year 2012 - to whom are added 200 million 'alien' walk-ins say. I'll appreciate it quite a bit if you could answer any of my questions, especially the first one I asked you. Thanks. Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 09:37 AM	#478​
SABINA Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 31	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hi, what do you thinkabout how to build up the Merkabah? The right meditation is not so easy.Much more easy and with much more fun you will find a way in Tantrayoga ups.- Spregovori you have to study in private with all the best sabina
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01-15-2010, 10:04 AM	#479​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by SABINA Hi, what do you thinkabout how to build up the Merkabah? The right meditation is not so easy.Much more easy and with much more fun you will find a way in Tantrayoga ups.- Spregovori you have to study in private with all the best sabina Your avatar is 'giving you away' Sabina. The Riddles of the Sphinx of the Hamarkhis -Horus of the Horizon continue. Abrax
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01-15-2010, 10:24 AM	#480​
Spregovori Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by SABINA Hi, what do you thinkabout how to build up the Merkabah? The right meditation is not so easy.Much more easy and with much more fun you will find a way in Tantrayoga ups.- Spregovori you have to study in private with all the best sabina The chariot? hmmm dont know much about that.. Her avatar? Looks like the cover of a fairy tale... In private...Tantrayoga (sounds promising).... Em would you happen to have a am some sort of a "directional url" or do I just google it? (i wish to avoid any "mainstream" miss uses / false uses)
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01-15-2010, 12:57 PM	#481​
Ravens and Doves Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: North Hollywood, California Posts: 218	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by abraxasinas Hi Paul of the Circle of the Arachne! No the Thuban Council has nothing to sell at all. PAUL=CIRCLE=50 Abraxas Thank you Abraxas, You know me and you know I only jest sometimes. I haven't been able to read all your posts, but I hope they will be archived. Your avatar is both gentle and powerful. Right now I'm listeneing to an old aquaintences song "In Deep" (by Bird York -she got an Oscar nomination for it in the movie "Crash"). It reminds me of you and others on Avelon. http://www.birdyork.com/site/ May we all stay In Deep. Abraxas, you are the lead violin in this symphony of a thread. Paul
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01-15-2010, 01:02 PM	#482​
Ravens and Doves Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: North Hollywood, California Posts: 218	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Ravens and Doves Thank you Abraxas, May we all stay In Deep. Abraxas, you are the lead violin in this symphony of a thread. Paul If you'll accept my apologies, I meant Abraxasinas (I blush). http://www.birdyork.com/site/ Paul
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01-15-2010, 01:19 PM	#483​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Ravens and Doves Thank you Abraxas, You know me and you know I only jest sometimes. I haven't been able to read all your posts, but I hope they will be archived. Your avatar is both gentle and powerful. Right now I'm listeneing to an old aquaintences song "In Deep" (by Bird York -she got an Oscar nomination for it in the movie "Crash"). It reminds me of you and others on Avelon. http://www.birdyork.com/site/ May we all stay In Deep. Abraxas, you are the lead violin in this symphony of a thread. Paul Aye Paul! I do know you and your experiences have been powerful indicators. You are well on the way to obtain even deeper insights and WE are sitting in the same boat. PAUL=ARACHNE=CIRCLE=3+9+18+3+12+5 and the Spider's Web in the Corner of the Cube inscribed in the Sphere allows the Merkabah the become a Tesseract. The artists of the Old World will be most important wayshowers and pioneers to translate the sciences of the parallel abstractions in the New World. Love and Gnosis to you PS.: You do look like the filmstar David Germanus Hasselhoff, the One who faced the synthetic Anacondas - if I were a goddess! Abraxas Last edited by abraxasinas; 01-15-2010 at 01:25 PM.
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01-15-2010, 01:21 PM	#484​
Ravens and Doves Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: North Hollywood, California Posts: 218	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Ravens and Doves If you'll accept my apologies, I meant Abraxasinas (I blush). http://www.birdyork.com/site/ Paul One last post before I fall over with the sun rising. Without even reading all the posts, I find a refeshing vibe here. I just ran from a rather heated, nasty Illuminati forum: a place where everybody sees themselves as King of the World and the rest of us are just road kill. I'm sure Abraxasinas will agree that the best we can be is scholars and gentlemen and treat all others as though they (men and women) are the same... because they ARE the same as you and I and all sentient beings of the free universe.
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01-15-2010, 01:24 PM	#485​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Ravens and Doves If you'll accept my apologies, I meant Abraxasinas (I blush). http://www.birdyork.com/site/ Paul As In Abraxas is Abraxasinas and more like Old Wise Yoda in Plato's Cave of the Shadows than a 'Leading Violin String'. Yoda is too old and brittle to move around much - but he knows the Story. Yoda, the Keeper of and Trainer of Dragons
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01-15-2010, 01:49 PM	#486​
Steven Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Temiscouata Posts: 873	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Thank you for the reply Abraxasinas. I'm impressed by the time and dedication you give to answer all people here . Thank you for your answer, interesting. You refer the "Great Galactic War" mentioned by the andromedan as not from our dimension and prime to our Universe. It is not the case dear. Not the same event. And the founder or "Paa Taal" are from unknown origin according to the andromedan, most probably not from Draconian origin, because they are not from our Universe, always according to the andromedan. So in other word, if I follow the logic of the Thuban material. The draconian are descendant of the "founder". They are native of this Universe and not the cause of the "Great Galactic War" that occurred in the past history of our galaxy... It is almost 180 degree opposite from what Alex Collier message received from the andromedans. I suspect the Thuban material being created by the draconian interventionists in the purpose to mislead Earth people into false doctrine to influence them further on the path of servitude... Thank you for your time, Steven
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01-15-2010, 02:17 PM	#487​
ewhite Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Central, Pa. Posts: 60	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Greetings abraxasinas, I have been following this marvelous thread since you started it, I have been taking in this vast amount of information as best as I can. I must say having read most of it three times it all does start to make sense. I admit of all I think I understand, I feel that I am missing one detail that I can not decipher on my own. I have seen many of your responses contain phrases such as this: "PAUL=ARACHNE=CIRCLE=3+9+18+3+12+5" I have no idea on how to decipher these, or what they mean. I apologize to you and everyone else if this is "elementary", but i feel as if I may understand much more if you would kindly explain (or point me in the right direction) what these mean or how it fits with the rest of this tremendous information. Thank you, Namaste, ewhite
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01-15-2010, 02:22 PM	#488​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by Steven Thank you for the reply Abraxasinas. I'm impressed by the time and dedication you give to answer all people here . Thank you for your answer, interesting. You refer the "Great Galactic War" mentioned by the andromedan as not from our dimension and prime to our Universe. It is not the case dear. Not the same event. And the founder or "Paa Taal" are from unknown origin according to the andromedan, most probably not from Draconian origin, because they are not from our Universe, always according to the andromedan. So in other word, if I follow the logic of the Thuban material. The draconian are descendant of the "founder". They are native of this Universe and not the cause of the "Great Galactic War" that occurred in the past history of our galaxy... It is almost 180 degree opposite from what Alex Collier message received from the andromedans. I suspect the Thuban material being created by the draconian interventionists in the purpose to mislead Earth people into false doctrine to influence them further on the path of servitude... Thank you for your time, Steven Dear me, no my dear Steven! You have misunderstood the reply. The Andromedan stated, through Alex Collier, that they DID NOT KNOW where the 'elders' came from. This and the opening of the 12th dimension. I then outlined in some detail, that the Draconians (of Collier) as well as the Lyrans (of Collier) are the GrandChildren of the 'founding elders'. As you see, there is a missing generation - the Paa Taal (Collier), who are the 'common ancestors' of both the 'Draconian ' 'Dark STS' brotherhood say and the 'Lyran' 'Light STO' brotherhood (which then (Collier) gave issue to the Pleiadeans and the humans). Nowhere did I even mention your 'Great Galactic War' as being anything else but a 'war between archetypes'. I did however separate the observer perspective of Andromeda as being extragalactic, whilst the 'Alpha Draconians', as well as the Lyran-Pleiadean-Human perspectives are from the intergalactic observation platform. Then I attempted to clarify the Paa Taal as being a 'unified' observation point and I should have clarified, that this unified perspective 'transcends' all of your and Collier's notion of the 'Great Galactic War' in this galaxy and as say observed by the Andromdean extragalactic viewpoint. You can write your own story about those 'wars of the Stars' OR you can accept the many other legends about those wars in editorial function or copycat fashion. So yes, the Draconians (and all other races) are descendents from the Elders but the Elders are 'a generation' removed through the intermissiary of the Paa Taal. As the participants of the 'Great Galactic Wars' are all akin 'Grandchildren' of the Elders and akin Children of the Paa Taal; all of them remain 'in ambivalence' or mystery as to their origins. You can attempt to induce me to 'describe' the 'Great Galactic Wars' until the holy cows of Hathor return from Egypt, I will not do so. In your attempt to contradict my data base by and through your comparative data obtained by a variety of other sources and authors; you are conveniently omitting my statement, that all of those 'star wars records' depict secondary and tertiary accounts and manifestations of the archetypes FOUNDED by the Elders and MANIFESTED by the Paa Taal and then RECORDED by the Third Generation. As member of the Council of Thuban, I observe the many records of the 'story telling' of OUR Grandchildren. There is no need for me to IMAGE another accord for this, as the Archetypology described to you in some detail, ENCOMPASSES ALL of such stories and legends. You cannot contradict my database dear Grandchild. Perhaps it would be advisable for you to discover who your parents are, before you question the wisdom of the Elders. Grandpa Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 02:29 PM	#489​
iainl140285 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 974	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by ewhite Greetings abraxasinas, I have been following this marvelous thread since you started it, I have been taking in this vast amount of information as best as I can. I must say having read most of it three times it all does start to make sense. I admit of all I think I understand, I feel that I am missing one detail that I can not decipher on my own. I have seen many of your responses contain phrases such as this: "PAUL=ARACHNE=CIRCLE=3+9+18+3+12+5" I have no idea on how to decipher these, or what they mean. I apologize to you and everyone else if this is "elementary", but i feel as if I may understand much more if you would kindly explain (or point me in the right direction) what these mean or how it fits with the rest of this tremendous information. Thank you, Namaste, ewhite I'll take a stab at this - If A=1 B=2 C=3 Then CIRCLE is 3+9+18+3+12+5
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01-15-2010, 02:39 PM	#490​
ewhite Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Central, Pa. Posts: 60	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by iainl140285 I'll take a stab at this - If A=1 B=2 C=3 Then CIRCLE is 3+9+18+3+12+5 Thank you, iainl Right, that is what I figured, what confuses me is how you get from PAUL --> CIRCLE, and what is the significance? Again, excuse my ignorance. I do not wish to throw the thread off track, for something that may or may not be "elementary" , but I do know that if one is confused there is a high probability that many others do not understand as well.
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01-15-2010, 02:45 PM	#491​
iainl140285 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 974	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by ewhite Thank you, iainl Right, that is what I figured, what confuses me is how you get from PAUL --> CIRCLE, and what is the significance? Again, excuse my ignorance. I do not wish to throw the thread off track, for something that may or may not be "elementary" , but I do know that if one is confused there is a high probability that many others do not understand as well. Well, I dont want to step on anyones toes here, but the significance is, EVERYTHING is linked through letters/language and numbers. Its Infinite. Just like PI Or CIRCLE. A quick example. PI = 3.14 Go to the middle letters of the alphabet - MN = 13 14 OR 3.14 Its all connected
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01-15-2010, 02:48 PM	#492​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by ewhite Greetings abraxasinas, I have been following this marvelous thread since you started it, I have been taking in this vast amount of information as best as I can. I must say having read most of it three times it all does start to make sense. I admit of all I think I understand, I feel that I am missing one detail that I can not decipher on my own. I have seen many of your responses contain phrases such as this: "PAUL=ARACHNE=CIRCLE=3+9+18+3+12+5" I have no idea on how to decipher these, or what they mean. I apologize to you and everyone else if this is "elementary", but i feel as if I may understand much more if you would kindly explain (or point me in the right direction) what these mean or how it fits with the rest of this tremendous information. Thank you, Namaste, ewhite Thank you ewhite for asking me directly about this. It is such a marvellous question, because it allows me to share a magnificent story of how the education system of the New Earth will be much more fun and play, than the rote-learning of the Old Earth. Here is the story and your question will be answered within it. You are EWHITE and you have a Son called Tim, who being about 6 years old is learning to count and write in some school. You have taught Tim the alphabet of 26 letters and also the complementary 'Arabic' numeracy. Even before Tim began interacting in a schooling environment with other children, you taught him the SECRET of his NAME. Tim so knows his secret name when he begins school life and soon he plays with other children and they exchange names. 'I am Tim, what is your name', asks Tim 'My name is John and her name is Eliza', replies John. Tim scratches his head and thinks for a while. He also looks at the wall in front of him, where the treacher is sitting observing the school ground. 'John I know something about you, which you dont know and the same about Eliza', Tim grins to both John and Eliza. 'Yeah, what would that be', Eliza questions Tim. Tim says: "John your secret name is the Number 47 and Eliza your secret number is the number 53"! John and Eliza look at each other and John replies astounded: "how do you know that"? 'It's very simple magic. I'll teach it to you and then you can teach the magic of the numbers to the other kids", replies Tim. 'And I'll check you in both of you telling me my secret name', Tim continues. 'Wow, this could be fun", says Eliza and so the children teach and learn from each other - without teachers staring over their shoulders, except in some general role of the observer of the playground. The children learn both the Alphabet and Basic Arithmetic just by sharing their Names of the Magic Numbers. Ok, this is how Tim worked out John's and Eliza's 'secret numbers' of the Magic. On the wall behind the teacher is a grand banner of the Alphabet with numbers written under each number: A=1; B=2; C=3; D=4; E=5; F=6;......X=24; Y=25; Z=26. So Tim added up (in his head): J=10; O=15; H=8 and N=14. 10+15=25, 25+8=33 and 33+14=47. For Eliza then, looking at the banner of the Alpha-Numeracy: E=5; L=12; I=9; Z=26; A=1 for 5+12=17, 17+9=26; 26+26=52; 52+1=53. And the playfulness of mathematics, linked to visualisations in practical relevance, such as given names continues. Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 02:56 PM	#493​
viking Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 1,709	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hello Abaxanus... Yes, I as well would like to thank you for your dedication with this thread...amazing amount of info...I need to read a couple of times for it to sink in...Hey, I am just a mere human... Can I ask you a few questions please? If you are who you say you are, and you have a genuine message for mankind, so to speak... Why are you singing this tune to such a small audience? ... Surely you need to reach a much wider audience!... Perhaps you are pushing the message on various other forums? Yes? Sorry, I don't mean to demean your efforts in any way on the contrary I commend you on your thread which has been injected with huge information and some wisdom. There are a couple of topics I would disagree with! Also what is your understanding with regard to 'The Universal Laws of creation'? viking
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01-15-2010, 03:05 PM	#494​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by iainl140285 Well, I dont want to step on anyones toes here, but the significance is, EVERYTHING is linked through letters/language and numbers. Its Infinite. Just like PI Or CIRCLE. A quick example. PI = 3.14 Go to the middle letters of the alphabet - MN = 13 14 OR 3.14 Its all connected Hi Iainl! Indeed you understand. You have graduated to the Title of Alphanumericist and you can now begin to share your knowledge of this simple key with the universe. The Arabic English system is used (one can use of course any other language), because it derives from the alphanumeracy of the Hebrew Kabbalah now 'Anglosaxonized', which subsitutes vowels with numbers, say in the Tetragrammaton YHWH and the Pentagrammaton YHWHY. 'After your seed shall the New Nation be called', it is written to Abraham via ISAAC=IS.AAC=IS.AA*C=IS.ABC because if A=1 and B=2 and...and Z=26, then the next A=A* will be like a B if the Z=A in the closing of the Circle of the alphabet. Hebrews 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 03:17 PM	#495​
ewhite Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Central, Pa. Posts: 60	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by abraxasinas Thank you ewhite for asking me directly about this. It is such a marvellous question, because it allows me to share a magnificent story of how the education system of the New Earth will be much more fun and play, than the rote-learning of the Old Earth. Much Appreciation to both you and Iainl, sometimes we tend to make things more complicated than they really are. It all makes perfect sense now. I feel a tad embarrassed for looking too deep into the significance completely bypassing the obvious. Thank you again for your example.
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01-15-2010, 03:18 PM	#496​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by viking Hello Abaxanus... Yes, I as well would like to thank you for your dedication with this thread...amazing amount of info...I need to read a couple of times for it to sink in...Hey, I am just a mere human... Can I ask you a few questions please? If you are who you say you are, and you have a genuine message for mankind, so to speak... Why are you singing this tune to such a small audience? ... Surely you need to reach a much wider audience!... I am not doing this on 'my' behalf, but on OUR behalf. I do know the general timeline, but I do not know the details of this timeline until these are transmitted to me. In some way I am learning what comes next in interacting here. All teachers are also students. I am not really a teacher but a simple councillor and scribe and witess to the things coming. Perhaps you are pushing the message on various other forums? Yes? No, I run some forums in my name of John Shadow; but on these forums the 'rigidity' of thinking is far more 'mainstream' (and manipulated) as here. I am doing what I am doing as long as it shall last or be appropriate. Sorry, I don't mean to demean your efforts in any way on the contrary I commend you on your thread which has been injected with huge information and some wisdom. There are a couple of topics I would disagree with! Many disagree with many things. Some agree with most things and some agree with some things. This is as it should be. To accept everything I share as some 'New Commandment from Thuban' would be MOST counterproductive and stifle your evolution to DISCOVER yourself in the grandest manner possible. Also what is your understanding with regard to 'The Universal Laws of creation'? My understanding of 'The Universal Laws of Creation' are the THUBANESE VERSION. I am sure there are many other versions there for your discernment and comparison. A lot of my work is a little technical and suffused with what is known as 'Universal Insight/Gnosis' or the 'perennial Philosophy' (Wisdom of the Ancients). This link gives access: http://tonyb.freeyellow.com viking Abraxas
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01-15-2010, 03:21 PM	#497​
Stardustaquarion Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 897	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by SABINA Hi, what do you thinkabout how to build up the Merkabah? The right meditation is not so easy.Much more easy and with much more fun you will find a way in Tantrayoga ups.- Spregovori you have to study in private with all the best sabina Sabina You can try this to build your Merkaba http://www.azuritepress.com/techniques/salutation.html the psonn of Lyra http://www.azuritepress.com/techniqu...e_maharata.htm It is a very safe method Love
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01-15-2010, 03:21 PM	#498​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by ewhite Much Appreciation to both you and Iainl, sometimes we tend to make things more complicated than they really are. It all makes perfect sense now. I feel a tad embarrassed for looking too deep into the significance completely bypassing the obvious. Thank you again for your example. You are most welcome and I am pleased that now it appears obvious to you. You have learned and discovered one of the 'secret keys' to decipher the archetypes of the universe. Love Abrax
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01-15-2010, 03:25 PM	#499​
iainl140285 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 974	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by abraxasinas Hi Iainl! Indeed you understand. You have graduated to the Title of Alphanumericist and you can now begin to share your knowledge of this simple key with the universe. The Arabic English system is used (one can use of course any other language), because it derives from the alphanumeracy of the Hebrew Kabbalah now 'Anglosaxonized', which subsitutes vowels with numbers, say in the Tetragrammaton YHWH and the Pentagrammaton YHWHY. 'After your seed shall the New Nation be called', it is written to Abraham via ISAAC=IS.AAC=IS.AA*C=IS.ABC because if A=1 and B=2 and...and Z=26, then the next A=A* will be like a B if the Z=A in the closing of the Circle of the alphabet. Hebrews 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Abraxas Cool, thanks What other 'titles' are there? Any pointers on where I should focus my study on nxt?
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01-15-2010, 03:30 PM	#500​
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Quote: Originally Posted by iainl140285 Cool, thanks What other 'titles' are there? Any pointers on where I should focus my study on nxt? Whatever you would like to become. The stars behind the stars shall be your nonlimitation. Before extending in knowledge and wisdom, secure your basis, would be my advice. Abraxas