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Aquaries1111 on October 31st 2014, 12:18 pm
Yes.. Thanks Mercuriel.

Have you seen this one yet?



1080p HD - Shortly before Boyd Bushman passed away on August 7, 2014, he was video recorded candidly speaking about his personal experiences with Area 51, UFOs, aliens and anti-gravity ideas.


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Mercuriel on October 31st 2014, 3:29 pm

Yes - A friend of mine sent Me the link to that video recently.

I was put in touch with Boyd's Info in a David Sereda video where He (Boyd) admits to holding THE patent on Anti-gravity...



With that said - I will miss ole Boyd ...

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Raven Yesterday at 12:31 am
Oh right, it must be Halloween...

Boyd Bushman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyd_Bushman

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Boyd Bushman is the name attributed to a man who claimed he was a retired senior research engineer with Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, Texas Instruments and Hughes Aircraft.^[1] In an October 2014 YouTube video posted from a newly created account on the video sharing site, the man claims he had a variety of personal experiences with UFOs, aliens and ghosts. In the video, the man claiming to be "Boyd Bushman" showed photographs he said were of aliens. The claims were widely circulated by UFO enthusiast blogs and Oliver Darcy of the Blaze, which stated they were made on the man's "deathbed."^[2]
A subsequent inquiry by Quebec news website TVQC demonstrated the photos shown by "Boyd Bushman" were those of a plastic collectible figure produced by toy company HalloweenFX, something later confirmed by the San Antonio Express News.^{[3] [4]} Another source observed there were no obituaries for anyone named "Boyd Bushman" since the August date of his supposed death, and a person of that name was also not listed in the Social Security Death Index. In a separate account posted to the website of Whitley Streiber, it was alleged the individual claiming to be Bushman had made similar claims in 2012 which had not been pursued due to the man's evasiveness when asked to confirm details about his educational background.^[5] Urban legend index Snopes has rated the claim "Former Lockheed Martin engineer Boyd Bushman provided evidence of human contact with alien life before his death in August 2014" as "False." ^[6]


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orthodoxymoron Yesterday at 12:59 am
I mostly assume that "whistle-blowers" (especially regarding ufo's, aliens, secret-facilities, etc and et al) are not who and what they say they are (or have seen and done). I mostly assume that 90% of these people are crack-pots -- but that the remaining 10% get fed information from those who really know. I can't prove this -- but it's just what I think.

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Mercuriel Yesterday at 2:46 pm
And Wikipedia is an Authority ??? It should be called - "Write It Yourself-a-pedia".



Yeah, don't even check out the Info - LOL. Sounds about right and BTW - Many real Whistleblowers have most of their personal Info wiped for various reasons as it suits the powers that be when those People don't even exist. Can You say Bob Lazar...

I mean - If some of them didn't tell You their names - They wouldn't exist at all. Take everything with a grain of salt like Oxy has already said - But Wikipedia ? Really ? You might as well say "My Best Friend's Cousin's Daughter's Mother said"...



At any rate - Thanks for Your Input without 3 Pages of sophistry accompanying It.





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Raven Today at 2:08 am
Mercuriel wrote:And Wikipedia is an Authority ??? It should be called - "Write It Yourself-a-pedia".



Yeah, don't even check out the Info - LOL. Sounds about right and BTW - Many real Whistleblowers have most of their personal Info wiped for various reasons as it suits the powers that be when those People don't even exist. Can You say Bob Lazar...

I mean - If some of them didn't tell You their names - They wouldn't exist at all. Take everything with a grain of salt like Oxy has already said - But Wikipedia ? Really ? You might as well say "My Best Friend's Cousin's Daughter's Mother said"...



At any rate - Thanks for Your Input without 3 Pages of sophistry accompanying It.




Oh dear! I quoted the wiki reference specifically because it said that page was in jeopardy of being deleted because of the discrepancy in factual accuracy. Also it was to point out the obvious, which was that if wiki can take a second look at this guy then perhaps others should too.
Bob Lazar was a con man looking for a quick buck and made a bit of money selling his bs story about working at area 51 to the gullible NABS masses.

[8:48:09 PM]Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar

[8:48:22 PM]Sirius 17: For the propulsion of the studied vehicles, Bob Lazar claims that the atomic Element 115 served as the fuel. Element 115 (temporarily named "ununpentium" (symbol Uup)) reportedly generates a minuscule gravity field which can be tapped and greatly amplified because the field happens to extend just beyond each atom's outermost electron shell. Exactly how this field is accessed, however, remains unclear. But the end result is allegedly a highly directional gravity distortion field. Under proton bombardment, furthermore, it is claimed that the atoms of Element 115 produce antimatter particles which participate in a process of extremely efficient energy production for powering any and all systems and subsystems within the craft. The mass of the nuclear fuel aboard each craft was said to be approximately two kilograms and was enough to last for several years before requiring replenishment.
[8:48:28 PM] Sirus 17: this should give you a good laugh lol
[8:49:04 PM] Sirius 17: ETs using nuclear fuel
[8:49:08 PM] Sirius 17: right
[8:49:45 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: [3:48 PM] Sirius 17:

<<< furthermore, it is claimed that the atoms of Element 115 produce antimatter particles which participate in a process of extremely efficient energy production for powering any and all systems and subsystems within the craft

Utter science nonsense

[8:50:06 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: antimatter requires pair production to be created from super high energy collissions
[8:50:52 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: This claim requires anti-protons in the first place to be created with protons from super frequency gamma rays
[9:04:36 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Lazar is total BS irrespective of wiki
[9:04:44 PM] Sirius 17: i know, but even Wikipedia debunks Lazar lol
[9:18:31 PM] Sirius 17: yes and i quoted it specifically because it said that page was in jeopardy of being deleted because of the discrepancy
[9:19:01 PM] Sirius 17: to point out to them that if wiki can take a second look at this guy then so should they
[9:19:05 PM] Sirius 17: hello....'
[9:19:20 PM] Sirius 17: oh no, it is on the internet, it must be true
[9:20:20 PM] Sirius 17: i mean seriously, what does the government do with real whistleblowers?
[9:20:32 PM] Sirius 17: where the hell is Snowden exactly? lol
[9:21:01 PM] Sirius 17: snuggling up to the Russians for hells sake
[9:21:17 PM] Sirius 17: yeah Bob is sooo important
[9:22:09 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Snowden is a real whistleblower
[9:22:25 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Lazar and co are fakes
[9:23:19 PM] Sirius 17: most of the so called Camelot whistleblowers are fakes
[9:23:40 PM] Sirius 17: they all belong to a huge NABS circuit and they are all friends promoting each other’s work
[9:24:20 PM] Sirius 17: here let me interview you and next month we have this seminar in Ecuador and guess what??? You are invited!!
[9:24:36 PM] Sirius 17: and on and on it goes
[9:24:59 PM] Sirius 17: full page color glossy adds in the local newspaper ect
[9:25:19 PM] Sirius 17: oh come see whistleblower so and so, only 299.99
[9:25:30 PM] Sirius 17: what a deal!!
[9:26:40 PM] Sirius 17: but wait, there is MORE, we have lined up 6 whistleblowers and cut the price in half, you can come for the whole week for just 159.99....screaming hot deal!! Book now before we run out of space!!
[9:28:13 PM] Sirius 17: we'll even throw in a moon rock signed by Buzz (Lightyear) Aldrin himself
[9:28:41 PM] Sirius 17: and the year after that we'll come out with Toystory 56


[9:46:30 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: lol

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THE BOB LAZAR FRAUD


December 1997
(Updated January 2011)
By Stanton T. Friedman​

Pierce College Stephanie Asher

Incredible claims have been made about Bob Lazar for years. He supposedly is a physicist with an MS in Physics from MIT and an MS in Electronics from the California Institute of Technology. He was a “Scientist” for Los Alamos National Laboratory, and obtained a job back-engineering UFOs at a very secret site S-4 near Area 51 in Nevada through noted Physicist, the late Dr. Edward Teller.

Supposedly he figured out how saucers work using Element 115 — matter/anti-matter, etc. He was able to steal a small quantity of 115 from the 500 pounds available, but this was stolen back. There was indeed an announcement in early 2004 about the production of 4 atoms of element 115 by operating a huge European accelerator for many weeks. It has a very short half life so there is no way to accumulate pounds of it. He supposedly came forward with his story despite death threats because he thought the public has a right to know. Videotapes are available with his claims.

It is all BUNK.

Not one shred of evidence has been put forth to support this story: No diplomas, no résumés, no transcripts, no memberships in professional organizations, no papers, no pages from MIT or Caltech yearbooks. He also mentioned, in a phone conversation with me, California State University at Northridge and Pierce Junior College — also in the San Fernando Valley, California. I checked all four schools. Pierce said he had taken electronics courses in the late 1970s. The other three schools never heard of him.

The page from the Los Alamos National Lab phone book with Lazar’s name on it clearly states that it includes employees of the DOE and outside contractor, Kirk Meyer. “K/M” follows Lazar’s name. This proves he worked for K/M, not LANL.

I checked with LANL’s personnel department for Lazar’s name and that of an old colleague. They found my guy, but not Lazar.

He was publicly asked when he got his MS from MIT. He said “Let me see now, I think it was probably 1982.” Nobody getting an MS from MIT would not know the year immediately. He was asked to name some of his profs, He said: “Let’s see now, Bill Duxler will remember me from the physics department at Caltech.” I located Dr. Duxler. He’s a Pierce Junior College physics prof, and never taught at Caltech. Lazar was registered in one of his courses at the same time Lazar was supposedly at MIT! Nobody who can go to MIT goes to Pierce JC, not to mention the rather long commute between LA and Cambridge, Mass.

I checked his High School in New York State. He graduated in August, not with his class. The only science course he took was chemistry. He ranked 261 out of 369, which is in the bottom third. There is no way he would have been admitted by MIT or Caltech. An MS in Physics from MIT requires a thesis. No such thesis exists at MIT, and he is not on a commencement list. The notion that the government wiped his CIVILIAN records clean is absurd. I checked with the Legal Counsel at MIT — no way to wipe all his records clean. The Physics department never heard of him and he is not a member of the American Physical Society.

When he declared bankruptcy in the mid 1980s for almost $300,000.00 he listed his occupation as a self-employed film processor. With MS degrees from MIT and Caltech? Caltech would not have accepted him for an MS program, if he already had one from MIT.

His propulsion scheme sounds good (as do many science fiction stories), but makes no real sense especially in view of how difficult it would be to add protons to #115. Gravity wave amplification sounds great but what does it mean?

He could not have gotten a Compartmentalized Security clearance having operated a brothel. His W-2 form from the Department of Naval Intelligence totals under $1000.00, at most a week’s pay for a scientist. You can’t get a security clearance in a week.

Scientists leave trails. Lazar is NOT a scientist. He couldn’t even answer scientific questions put to him. An excellent review of Bob’s “Physics” can be seen at web.archive.org/web/20061220030435/http://www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/critiq.htm.

I should add that Bob is a bright and talented guy who operated a jet powered car, put on fireworks displays, and apparently helped physics professors working at the Los Alamos Meson accelerator facility.

http://web.archive.org/web/20061220030435/http://www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/critiq.htm​

Lazar Critique




by Dr. David L. Morgan



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In 1996, I was asked to review the content of a Bob Lazar website by an online acquaintance. Since then, my critique has been posted to Usenet discussion boards, featured on web pages, and taken on something of a life of its own. I still get email about it monthly, which is quite amusing, considering it’s been almost 5 years since I wrote it. Since the original posting was intended to be an informal email, the tone was somewhat harsh and flippant, and some sections were a bit too dismissive. I decided recently that I would try to put together a revision of the now-infamous paper. That revision is presented below.


After reading an account by Bob Lazar of the “physics” of his Area 51 UFO propulsion system, my conclusion is this: Mr. Lazar presents a scenario which, if it is correct, violates a whole handful of currently accepted physical theories. That in and of itself does not necessarily mean that his scenario is impossible. But the presentation of the scenario by Lazar is troubling from a scientific standpoint. Mr. Lazar on many occasions demonstrates an obvious lack of understanding of current physical theories. On no occasion does he acknowledge that his scenario violates physical laws as we understand them, and on no occasion does he offer up any hints of new theories which would make his mechanism possible. Mr. Lazar has a propensity for re-defining scientific terms, and using scientific language in a confusing and careless way. For these reasons, I don’t feel that Lazar's pseudo-scientific ramblings are really worthy of any kind of serious consideration.

I will focus on the parts of Lazar's text which I took the most exception with- most of these excerpts relate to particle physics, which is my field. Lazar's text is in boldface. He begins by describing the principle behind interstellar travel...

This is accomplished by generating an intense gravitational field and using that field to distort space/time, bringing the destination to the source, and allowing you to cross many light years of space in little time and without traveling in a linear mode near the speed of light.


I’m less bothered by the wording of this passage now than I used to be, although I still think it’s misleading. If you are distorting spacetime with a gravitational field, it produces a very specific kind of distortion, and a very specific kind of attraction. That’s what gravity IS – a distortion in spacetime, at least according to general relativity. And gravity attracts EVERYTHING. A gravitational field is a gravitational field...you can't pick and choose which objects it has an effect on. So, going by what Lazar says here, I still say that if you were to generate a gravitational field intense enough to warp spacetime and "bring the destination to the source" you'll also bring everything else in the nearby universe to the source too! If Mr. Lazar had really distorted spacetime like this back in his "Area 51" lab, every object on the face of the Earth would have rushed into New Mexico. Before they crashed back in the 50's, the alien saucers would have sucked the Earth right out of orbit!

Now I’m no expert in general relativity, but I believe that there ARE solutions in GR which do involve distortions of spacetime that are not “gravitational” in nature. (In other words they would not “attract” things outside of the distortion.) There are serious scientists that do serious work on wormholes and warp bubbles and other mechanisms which could allow faster-than-light travel by taking advantage of distortions in spacetime. As this research stands right now, it seems clear that the energy requirements which would be required by this kind of travel are unimaginable by any standards – even the most fanciful extrapolations of alien technology. I’m talking about an entire star’s-worth or even a galaxy’s-worth of energy! More mass/energy than could be contained in a tiny saucer, or even all of New Mexico for that matter.

There are currently two main theories about gravity. The "wave" theory which states that gravity is a wave, and the other is a theory which includes "gravitons", which are alleged sub-atomic particles which perform as gravity, which by the way, is total nonsense.

These statements by Lazar are "total nonsense". There is only ONE currently accepted theory of gravity: General Relativity. In GR, gravity is described as a distortion of spacetime, not as a particle or a wave. There are phenomena known as "gravitational waves" which exist in GR, but this does not seem to be what Lazar is talking about. Lazar says that gravity IS a wave. It isn’t a wave. The "gravitons" which he speaks of are a feature of QUANTUM gravitational theories, and I think they require a little explanation.

All physicists realize that the theories of QM and GR are incomplete, because they are mutually incompatible. In order to have a complete theory, theoretical physicists are looking to combine the two into a unified theory which will involve a quantum theory of gravity. There are currently no quantum theories of gravity that work. But even though a satisfactory theory does not yet exist, there is nothing at all nonsensical about gravitons. When an adequate quantum theory of gravity IS formulated, the energy of the gravitational field will be quantized. This quantum of the gravitational field is what physicists call the graviton. It is no more nonsensical than the photon - which is the quantum of the electromagnetic field.

(To add to the confusion of Lazar's statement, in any quantum theory of gravity, as in all quantum theories, the graviton will be, in a sense, BOTH a particle AND a wave!)

The fact that gravity is a wave has caused mainstream scientists to surmise numerous sub-atomic particles which don't actually exist and this has caused great complexity and confusion in the study of particle physics.

As a particle physicist, I must say that I have NO IDEA what he is talking about here. Surmising particles that don't exist? I can't think of a single particle whose existence has been postulated as a result of gravitational theories. Perhaps the graviton is one, but that’s about it.


You must have at least an atom of substance for it to be considered "matter". At least a proton and an electron and in most cases a neutron. Anything short of an atom such as upquarks and downquarks which make up protons and neutrons; or protons, neutrons, or electrons, individually are considered to be mass and do not constitute "matter" until they form an atom.

These are peculiar and nonstandard definitions. The standard use of the term "matter" includes anything which has mass. Even a single quark is considered to be a particle of matter. If a quark isn’t “matter” than what is it? All elementary particles are either matter particles or force-carrying particles. An electron is a mater particle, and so is a quark.

It may seem like a small point, but I think that errors like these are what make Lazar’s “theory” so dubious. How can we give much consideration to someone who claims to be overthrowing the foundations of particle physics, when it’s fairly obvious that he isn’t even familiar with the terminology?

Gravity A is what is currently being labeled as the "strong nuclear force" in mainstream physics ...

This is the place where Lazar begins to get him self in real trouble. As it is understood now, the strong nuclear force has NOTHING TO DO WITH GRAVITY. Such a statement shows either a complete lack of understanding of the physics of the Standard Model of particle interactions, or a BLATANT attempt at deception. The equations and coupling strengths which describe the two forces are totally different and unrelated. The strong force couples only to quarks and gluons. The gravitational force couples to all particles with mass. The strong force is extremely short range. The range of gravity is infinite. The gravitational coupling constant is orders of magnitude smaller than that of the strong interaction. There is NO BASIS for using the word "gravity" to describe the strong interaction IN ANY WAY.

If Mr. Lazar has formulated a NEW model in which the two forces are really the same, then he has unified gravity with the other three forces of nature, and he should publish it now and collect his Nobel Prize. If he DOES NOT have such a new theory then his statement here is ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

It's not good enough to just call the strong interaction "gravity A wave". You've got to demonstrate that it actually has SOMETHING to do with gravity if you're going to attach that name to it! The words by themselves are meaningless. I want to see some equations. Otherwise, this statement is not only wrong, but utterly incomprehensible.


...it should be obvious that a large, single star system, binary star system, or multiple star system would have had more of the prerequisite mass and electromagnetic energy present during their creations.

Now we get into some fuzzy astronomy. Mr. Lazar doesn’t seem to understand where heavy elements come from, or how they are formed.

First we have to assume that when Lazar says “large” he means “massive.” The "largeness" of a star says nothing about its mass. In five or ten billion years, the sun will be as large as the orbit of Mars. A star's size changes drastically during its lifetime. It’s pretty clear that what Lazar should be talking about here is the MASS of the star.

The next section is a little vague, but he SEEMS to be suggesting that his element 115, the alien fuel source, which doesn't exist on the Earth, should be present in those solar systems that were more massive at their inception. The implication here is that a star system which condensed out of a more massive primordial cloud should have a greater abundance of heavier elements. This is quite incorrect.

Heavy elements – all elements heavier than iron – are not formed during the normal life cycles of stars. The only time when these nuclei are "cooked" is during the collapse and subsequent explosion of supernovae. The supernova explosion then spreads heavy elements throughout the galaxy. For this reason, the abundances of heavy elements in any particular star system depend NOT upon the properties of the current star, but on the properties of the nearby stars of the PREVIOUS GENERATION! Therefore, all of the star systems in a particular region of the galaxy will have essentially the same abundances of heavy elements, regardless of the mass of star. If element 115 is STABLE, as Lazar claims it to be, then it should be created in supernova explosions and it should exist EVERYWHERE!


The most important attribute of these heavier, stable elements is that the gravity A wave is so abundant that it actually extends past the perimeter of the atom. These heavier, stable elements literally have their own gravity A field around them...

No naturally occurring atoms on earth have enough protons and neutrons for the cumulative gravity A wave to extend past the perimeter of the atom...

Since Mr. Lazar has already identified this gravity A wave with the nuclear force, he is essentially claiming that the nuclear force of element 115 extends beyond the limits of the "115-ium" atom. (I'm tempted to call it Lazarium...and somewhat surprised that he doesn't!!) This is simply not possible, given the known properties of the nuclear force. The past 50 years of probing the nucleus have taught us that the range of the nuclear force is VERY short, and protons and neutrons only feel the pull of their nearest neighbors in a nucleus. Because of this fact, the nuclear force extends out to about the same distance away from a nucleus NO MATTER HOW MASSIVE THE NUCLEUS IS. This fact is fundamental to the science of nuclear physics.

Once again, if Mr. Lazar has a NEW MODEL of the nuclear interaction which explains the properties and decay rates of known nuclei...which can predict the abundances of elements synthesized in the Big Bang...which can describe all of the properties of nuclear reactions which take place inside of stars...all as well as our current theories do all of these things (which is VERY well!) then he should publish it and collect his Nobel Prize. If not, then once again his statements make NO SENSE in the light of everything that we know about nuclear interactions.

Now even though the distance that the gravity A wave extends past the perimeter of the atom is infinitesimal, it is accessible and it has amplitude, wavelength and frequency, just like any OTHER wave in the electromagnetic spectrum. Once you can access the gravity A wave, you can amplify it just like we amplify OTHER electromagnetic waves.

(MY EMPHASIS)
I have emphasized the use of the word "other" in this paragraph to show that Mr. Lazar apparently thinks that his "gravity A wave", which if you recall, is also the strong nuclear force, is ALSO an electromagnetic wave. Perhaps he HAS formulated a "Grand Unified Theory" after all! Or perhaps this is just another example of his careless use of scientific terms.


Conclusions

I want to take some time here to talk about scientific progress, because there is one common objection to my critique of Lazar’s scenario. People will often say “Modern science could be wrong. Newton was wrong! Lazar could be right!” Yes. That is correct. In fact, modern science almost certainly IS “wrong.” But the only real test of a theory in science is that it works. Newton’s Laws worked. They still do in most situations. Einstein’s theories are better – they are more accurate and they work in more situations. New theories will continue to come along that are more precise and more generally applicable than the older theories, and these new theories will be tested by experiments until they supplant the old ones. That is how science has progressed for the past 400 years.


So it is not enough to SAY that modern science is wrong. You have to demonstrate that you have something that is better. And that “better” theory needs to do everything that the old theory does, and then do more. And chances are that it won’t completely turn the old theory on it’s head – because we already know that the old theories work too well. It is not possible to create a new theory until you understand the old one well enough to present a coherent alternative. Calling current science “total nonsense” is nice rhetoric, and no doubt convincing to many non-scientists who feel alienated from science and look on scientists as a kind of modern priesthood of arcane knowledge. But science is a process – not a body of knowledge.

I can't possibly demonstrate conclusively that Lazar's mechanism is impossible. All that I can hope to demonstrate here is that his scenario would require a COMPLETE overhaul of our theories of gravity and particle physics in order to work. Not just some minor changes...I'm talking from the ground up. Mr. Lazar makes no mention of this fact, and he proposes no alternative theories. But, if Lazar's scenario is true, then we will NEED some new theories, because we are wrong about a great many things. We don't understand gravity. We don't understand nuclear interactions. We don't understand spacetime. We don't understand stellar evolution. However, considering Mr. Lazar's careless use of language, his casual redefinition of scientific terms, and the complete lack of details in his presentation, I'm willing to bet the farm that it is actually Lazar who doesn't understand any of these things.

But wait.....There’s an addendum!!

Lazar explains on his current webpage (www.boblazar.com) how his element 115 not only serves as the generator of the Gravity A wave, but ALSO as the fuel for a matter/antimatter reactor that powers the rest of the saucer. Let's take a close look at Lazar's explanation of this reactor...

"The power source is a reactor. Inside the reactor, element 115 is bombarded with a proton, which plugs into the nucleus of the 115 atom and becomes element 116, which immediately decays and releases or radiates small amounts of anti-matter. The anti-matter is released in a vacuum into a tuned tube, which keeps it from reacting with the matter that surrounds it. It is then directed toward the gaseous matter target at the end of the tube. The matter, which in this case is the gas, and the anti-matter, collide and annihilate totally converting to energy. The heat from this reaction is converted into electrical energy in a near one hundred percent efficient thermoelectric generator. "

Lots of impressive sounding stuff about reactors and bombarding with protons and all that. But read it again. Antimatter and matter are converted into energy. Fine. But where does the antimatter come from? From element 115 when it is "bombarded with a proton" by the ship's reactor. Hmmm. And just exactly HOW MUCH energy would your reactor have to put into each proton to have it create an antiproton?? Well, exactly the mass energy of an antiproton! And how much energy do you get back out when the antiproton annihilates? EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF ENERGY THAT YOU PUT INTO CREATING IT!!

(Actually, you can't just make an antiproton by itself, you have to make a proton/anti-proton pair. So your reactor needs to put in 2 "protons-worth" of mass-energy into each proton in the beam.)

If you have to MAKE your own antimatter on board, your system produces NO NET ENERGY AT ALL!! You put 2 protons worth of energy in, and you get 2 protons worth of energy out! In fact, the BEST this system could do would be to make ZERO energy, but in fact, it would more likely USE far more energy than it would make.

Conservation of energy rears it's ugly head, and once again - it looks like Bob's saucer is going nowhere fast!



Dr. David L. Morgan
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orthodoxymoron Yesterday at 10:45 am
The problem with this sort of thing is that it takes too much time and energy for most people to properly deal with it. I've tried to deal with it by considering most all of it to be science-fictional in nature -- as a mixture of fact and fiction. It's almost "morbid-entertainment" for me -- wherein I try to deal with the crazy material in the context of my "home-thread" -- and then just move-on without getting too worked-up about anything. I just read a very controversial "Holocaust" article -- without knowing how much of it was true -- and just took it in stride -- and moved-on. BTW -- I use Wikipedia because of the summaries and "freshness". I use it for "comparative- consistency". I think it's part of my "research project". Sometimes I wonder if "good-stuff" gets placed in wiki articles?! Who knows? This is "just" a most-dangerous game.

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Lets get this Car crash back on track...

I was just replying to Aquaries1111 and posted a Link relative to Info She'd posted. Simply put - I was just trying to be agreeable in terms of what She was saying. Thats all...

Hmmm - Interesting how I come back and all of a sudden People are looking for reasons to beef.


At any rate - Feel free to carry this on with Aquaries1111 - Its Her post...





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Aquaries1111 Yesterday at 1:34 pm
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Pair Production in Quantum Mechanics and Wave Superimpositions​

Raven wrote:
Mercuriel wrote:And Wikipedia is an Authority ??? It should be called - "Write It Yourself-a-pedia".



Yeah, don't even check out the Info - LOL. Sounds about right and BTW - Many real Whistleblowers have most of their personal Info wiped for various reasons as it suits the powers that be when those People don't even exist. Can You say Bob Lazar...

I mean - If some of them didn't tell You their names - They wouldn't exist at all. Take everything with a grain of salt like Oxy has already said - But Wikipedia ? Really ? You might as well say "My Best Friend's Cousin's Daughter's Mother said"...



At any rate - Thanks for Your Input without 3 Pages of sophistry accompanying It.




Oh dear! I quoted the wiki reference specifically because it said that page was in jeopardy of being deleted because of the discrepancy in factual accuracy. Also it was to point out the obvious, which was that if wiki can take a second look at this guy then perhaps others should too.
Bob Lazar was a con man looking for a quick buck and made a bit of money selling his bs story about working at area 51 to the gullible NABS masses.

[8:48:09 PM]Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar

[8:48:22 PM]Sirius 17:
For the propulsion of the studied vehicles, Bob Lazar claims that the atomic Element 115 served as the fuel. Element 115 (temporarily named "ununpentium" (symbol Uup)) reportedly generates a minuscule gravity field which can be tapped and greatly amplified because the field happens to extend just beyond each atom's outermost electron shell. Exactly how this field is accessed, however, remains unclear. But the end result is allegedly a highly directional gravity distortion field. Under proton bombardment, furthermore, it is claimed that the atoms of Element 115 produce antimatter particles which participate in a process of extremely efficient energy production for powering any and all systems and subsystems within the craft. The mass of the nuclear fuel aboard each craft was said to be approximately two kilograms and was enough to last for several years before requiring replenishment.

[8:48:28 PM] Sirus 17: this should give you a good laugh lol
[8:49:04 PM] Sirius 17: ETs using nuclear fuel
[8:49:08 PM] Sirius 17: right
[8:49:45 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: [3:48 PM] Sirius 17:

<<< furthermore, it is claimed that the atoms of Element 115 produce antimatter particles which participate in a process of extremely efficient energy production for powering any and all systems and subsystems within the craft


[3/11/2014 3:40:45 PM] Sirius 17: Re: Aquaries1111 Corner
Post Mercuriel Yesterday at 2:46 pm

And Wikipedia is an Authority ??? It should be called - "Write It Yourself-a-pedia".
Whistle
Yeah, don't even check out the Info - LOL. Sounds about right and BTW - Many real Whistleblowers have most of their personal Info wiped for various reasons as it suits the powers that be when those People don't even exist. Can You say Bob Lazar...
I mean - If some of them didn't tell You their names - They wouldn't exist at all. Take everything with a grain of salt like Oxy has already said - But Wikipedia ? Really ? You might as well say "My Best Friend's Cousin's Daughter's Mother said"...
Heh heh
At any rate - Thanks for Your Input without 3 Pages of sophistry accompanying It.
Musical


[3/11/2014 3:40:54 PM] Sirius 17: what a smart ass he is
[3/11/2014 3:41:24 PM] Sirius 17: i am a sophist? ummm no that would have to be him the one using faulty, unproven and shoddy reasoning
[3/11/2014 3:44:05 PM] Sirius 17: i spit water out of my nose when i read the Bob Lazar thing. He actually thinks he is some kind of credible witness too i guess lol
[3/11/2014 3:44:12 PM] Sirius 17: bunch of bogus bs
[3/11/2014 3:44:59 PM] Sirius 17: bob lazar was a con man looking for a quick buck and made a bit of money selling his bs story about working at area 51 to the gullible NABS masses
[3/11/2014 3:48:14 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar
[3/11/2014 3:48:26 PM] Sirius 17:

For the propulsion of the studied vehicles, Bob Lazar claims that the atomic Element 115 served as the fuel. Element 115 (temporarily named "ununpentium" (symbol Uup)) reportedly generates a minuscule gravity field which can be tapped and greatly amplified because the field happens to extend just beyond each atom's outermost electron shell. Exactly how this field is accessed, however, remains unclear. But the end result is allegedly a highly directional gravity distortion field. Under proton bombardment, furthermore, it is claimed that the atoms of Element 115 produce antimatter particles which participate in a process of extremely efficient energy production for powering any and all systems and subsystems within the craft. The mass of the nuclear fuel aboard each craft was said to be approximately two kilograms and was enough to last for several years before requiring replenishment.

[3/11/2014 3:48:33 PM] Sirius 17: this should give you a good laugh lol
[3/11/2014 3:49:09 PM] Sirius 17: ETs using nuclear fuel
[3/11/2014 3:49:13 PM] Sirius 17: right
[3/11/2014 4:04:27 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Reply with that to that nabs morons
[3/11/2014 4:04:40 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Lazar is total BS irrespective of wiki
[3/11/2014 4:04:49 PM] Sirius 17: i know
[3/11/2014 4:04:58 PM] Sirius 17: how are you?
[3/11/2014 4:08:10 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Doing a chart after having a very very weird dream night before last
[3/11/2014 4:08:34 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I cant tell you yet as I have to finish something first but you will be interested
[3/11/2014 4:08:46 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: How are you with Jacob?
[3/11/2014 4:08:54 PM] Sirius 17: oh yeah
[3/11/2014 4:08:58 PM] Sirius 17: not good
[3/11/2014 4:09:18 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Today is a very potent day The last of the Abomination
[3/11/2014 4:11:21 PM] Sirius 17: i am so tired of it all today
[3/11/2014 4:11:51 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Yes take it easy for a couple of days. It is a pressured time
[3/11/2014 4:12:31 PM] Sirius 17: i have not been having a good few days here
[3/11/2014 4:12:36 PM] Sirius 17: no dreams
[3/11/2014 4:12:39 PM] Sirius 17: can't sleep well
[3/11/2014 4:12:45 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: [Monday, 3 November 2014 3 PM] Sirius 17:


<<< furthermore, it is claimed that the atoms of Element 115 produce antimatter particles which participate in a process of extremely efficient energy production for powering any and all systems and subsystems within the craft

Utter science nonsense


[4:14:06 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: antimatter requires pair production to be created from super high energy collissions
[4:14:07 PM] Sirius 17: i will come up with 3 pages of shi20 for him to read too

[3/11/2014 4:13:02 PM] Sirius 17: yes it is pseudo science galore
[3/11/2014 4:13:14 PM] Sirius 17: i am looking for some debunking videos
[3/11/2014 4:13:34 PM] Sirius 17: to reply to Mercs idiocy
[3/11/2014 4:14:06 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Antimatter requires pair production to be created from super high energy collissions
[3/11/2014 4:14:07 PM] Sirius 17: i will come up with 3 pages of shi20 for him to read too
[4:14:10 PM] Sirius 17: just because lol
[4:14:52 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah:
This claim requires antiprotons in the first place to be created with protons from super frequency gamma rays.....(Actually, you can't just make an antiproton by itself, you have to make a proton/anti-proton pair. So your reactor needs to put in 2 "protons-worth" of mass-energy into each proton in the beam.)

[3/11/2014 4:15:14 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: He despises you as a sophisticado
[3/11/2014 4:15:45 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Well nabs and disinformation alright - he believes in Urantia
[3/11/2014 4:16:04 PM] Sirius 17: he is really ridiculous
[3/11/2014 4:16:31 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Look at the company of like believers like Carol and DD
[3/11/2014 4:16:35 PM] Sirius 17: but you can see, all i did was quote wiki and it really got under his skin lol
[3/11/2014 4:17:13 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: wiki is biased, even a bit Zionist, but against quasi science and anything deviating from orthodoxy
[3/11/2014 4:17:39 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: So it is not liked by the conspiracy nabsers
[3/11/2014 4:18:13 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Wiki is scientifically very sound and good, but you wont get the pioneering science from it
[3/11/2014 4:18:36 PM] Sirius 17: yes and i quoted it specifically because it said that page was in jeapordy of being deleted because of the discrepancy
[3/11/2014 4:19:05 PM] Sirius 17: to point out to them that if wiki can take a second look at this guy then so should they
[3/11/2014 4:19:09 PM] Sirius 17: hello....'
[3/11/2014 4:19:24 PM] Sirius 17: oh no, it is on the internet, it must be true
[3/11/2014 4:20:25 PM] Sirius 17: i mean seriously, what does the government do with real whistleblowers?
[3/11/2014 4:20:36 PM] Sirius 17: where the hell is Snowden exactly? lol
[3/11/2014 4:21:05 PM] Sirius 17: snuggling up to the Russians for hells sake
[3/11/2014 4:21:22 PM] Sirius 17: yeah Bob is sooo important
[3/11/2014 4:22:13 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Snowden is a real whistlebower
[3/11/2014 4:22:29 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Lazar and co are fakes
[3/11/2014 4:23:24 PM] Sirius 17: most of the so called Camelot whisleblowers are fakes
[3/11/2014 4:23:45 PM] Sirius 17: they all belong to a huge NABS circuit and they are all friends promoting each others work
[3/11/2014 4:24:25 PM] Sirius 17: here let me interview you and next month we have this seminar in Ecuador and guess what??? You are invited!!
[3/11/2014 4:24:40 PM] Sirius 17: and on and on it goes
[3/11/2014 4:25:04 PM] Sirius 17: full page color glossy adds in the local newspaper ect
[3/11/2014 4:25:24 PM] Sirius 17: oh come see whistleblower so and so, only 299.99
[3/11/2014 4:25:35 PM] Sirius 17: what a deal!!
[3/11/2014 4:26:44 PM] Sirius 17: but wait, there is MORE, we have lined up 6 whistleblowers and cut the price in half, you can come for the whole week for just 159.99....screamin hot deal!!
[3/11/2014 4:28:17 PM] Sirius 17: we'll even throw in a moon rock signed by Buzz (Lightyear) Aldrin himself
[3/11/2014 4:28:45 PM] Sirius 17: and the year after that we'll come out with Toystory 56
[3/11/2014 4:46:35 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: lol

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[3/11/2014 5:09:26 PM] Sirius 17: http://web.archive.org/web/20061220030435/http://www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/critiq.htm
[3/11/2014 5:09:47 PM] Sirius 17: well it is not quite 3 pages but i am sure he'll enjoy reading it
[3/11/2014 5:09:59 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: No this is good lingo
[3/11/2014 5:10:10 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Showing the 'pseudo scientific ramblings' etc
[3/11/2014 5:10:24 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Naughty Juju
[3/11/2014 5:10:34 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: But well doing
[3/11/2014 5:11:09 PM] Sirius 17: oh i hope it pisses him right off
[3/11/2014 5:11:37 PM] Sirius 17: Merc can get his pric11 in a bind over nabs artists, i have to point it out
[3/11/2014 5:11:49 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: It might, but he is so 'involved', he will say this is a conspiracy against Lazar
[3/11/2014 5:11:55 PM] Sirius 17: of course
[3/11/2014 5:12:07 PM] Sirius 17: which is exactly what Stanton said too
[3/11/2014 5:12:30 PM] Sirius 17: but it will be classic if he says it
[3/11/2014 5:12:48 PM] Sirius 17: because the videos and evidence against Bob all point to a fake conspiracy
[3/11/2014 5:13:00 PM] Sirius 17: so it will make Merc look all the more an idiot
[3/11/2014 5:13:07 PM] Sirius 17: to an intelligent reader anyhow
[3/11/2014 5:13:49 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

"Lots of impressive sounding stuff about reactors and bombarding with protons and all that. But read it again. Antimatter and matter are converted into energy. Fine. But where does the antimatter come from? From element 115 when it is "bombarded with a proton" by the ship's reactor. Hmmm. And just exactly HOW MUCH energy would your reactor have to put into each proton to have it create an antiproton?? Well, exactly the mass energy of an antiproton! And how much energy do you get back out when the antiproton annihilates? EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF ENERGY THAT YOU PUT INTO CREATING IT!!"

[3/11/2014 5:14:00 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: See this is what I said in the above?
[3/11/2014 5:14:21 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Add the convo sans the ad hominems
[3/11/2014 5:15:32 PM] Sirius 17: awww i did add the convo
[3/11/2014 5:15:40 PMM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

[3/11/2014 5:15:43 PM] Sirius 17: but the add hominems are the fun part
[3/11/2014 5:15:55 PM] Sirius 17: yes i will add that
[3/11/2014 5:16:28 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: he might ban you lol as a sophisticado
[3/11/2014 5:16:53 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Save it on spruz of xen though as they might delete it

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http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07​

THE BOB LAZAR FRAUD

December 1997
(Updated January 2011)
By Stanton T. Friedman

Pierce College Stephanie Asher

Incredible claims have been made about Bob Lazar for years. He supposedly is a physicist with an MS in Physics from MIT and an MS in Electronics from the California Institute of Technology. He was a “Scientist” for Los Alamos National Laboratory, and obtained a job back-engineering UFOs at a very secret site S-4 near Area 51 in Nevada through noted Physicist, the late Dr. Edward Teller.

Supposedly he figured out how saucers work using Element 115 — matter/anti-matter, etc. He was able to steal a small quantity of 115 from the 500 pounds available, but this was stolen back. There was indeed an announcement in early 2004 about the production of 4 atoms of element 115 by operating a huge European accelerator for many weeks. It has a very short half life so there is no way to accumulate pounds of it. He supposedly came forward with his story despite death threats because he thought the public has a right to know. Videotapes are available with his claims.

It is all BUNK.

Not one shred of evidence has been put forth to support this story: No diplomas, no résumés, no transcripts, no memberships in professional organizations, no papers, no pages from MIT or Caltech yearbooks. He also mentioned, in a phone conversation with me, California State University at Northridge and Pierce Junior College — also in the San Fernando Valley, California. I checked all four schools. Pierce said he had taken electronics courses in the late 1970s. The other three schools never heard of him.

The page from the Los Alamos National Lab phone book with Lazar’s name on it clearly states that it includes employees of the DOE and outside contractor, Kirk Meyer. “K/M” follows Lazar’s name. This proves he worked for K/M, not LANL.

I checked with LANL’s personnel department for Lazar’s name and that of an old colleague. They found my guy, but not Lazar.

He was publicly asked when he got his MS from MIT. He said “Let me see now, I think it was probably 1982.” Nobody getting an MS from MIT would not know the year immediately. He was asked to name some of his profs, He said: “Let’s see now, Bill Duxler will remember me from the physics department at Caltech.” I located Dr. Duxler. He’s a Pierce Junior College physics prof, and never taught at Caltech. Lazar was registered in one of his courses at the same time Lazar was supposedly at MIT! Nobody who can go to MIT goes to Pierce JC, not to mention the rather long commute between LA and Cambridge, Mass.

I checked his High School in New York State. He graduated in August, not with his class. The only science course he took was chemistry. He ranked 261 out of 369, which is in the bottom third. There is no way he would have been admitted by MIT or Caltech. An MS in Physics from MIT requires a thesis. No such thesis exists at MIT, and he is not on a commencement list. The notion that the government wiped his CIVILIAN records clean is absurd. I checked with the Legal Counsel at MIT — no way to wipe all his records clean. The Physics department never heard of him and he is not a member of the American Physical Society.

When he declared bankruptcy in the mid 1980s for almost $300,000.00 he listed his occupation as a self-employed film processor. With MS degrees from MIT and Caltech? Caltech would not have accepted him for an MS program, if he already had one from MIT.

His propulsion scheme sounds good (as do many science fiction stories), but makes no real sense especially in view of how difficult it would be to add protons to #115. Gravity wave amplification sounds great but what does it mean?

He could not have gotten a Compartmentalized Security clearance having operated a brothel. His W-2 form from the Department of Naval Intelligence totals under $1000.00, at most a week’s pay for a scientist. You can’t get a security clearance in a week.

Scientists leave trails. Lazar is NOT a scientist. He couldn’t even answer scientific questions put to him. An excellent review of Bob’s “Physics” can be seen at web.archive.org/web/20061220030435/http://www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/critiq.htm.

I should add that Bob is a bright and talented guy who operated a jet powered car, put on fireworks displays, and apparently helped physics professors working at the Los Alamos Meson accelerator facility.

http://web.archive.org/web/20061220030435/http://www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/critiq.htm​

Lazar Critique​

by Dr. David L. Morgan​

In 1996, I was asked to review the content of a Bob Lazar website by an online acquaintance. Since then, my critique has been posted to Usenet discussion boards, featured on web pages, and taken on something of a life of its own. I still get email about it monthly, which is quite amusing, considering it’s been almost 5 years since I wrote it. Since the original posting was intended to be an informal email, the tone was somewhat harsh and flippant, and some sections were a bit too dismissive. I decided recently that I would try to put together a revision of the now-infamous paper. That revision is presented below.

After reading an account by Bob Lazar of the “physics” of his Area 51 UFO propulsion system, my conclusion is this: Mr. Lazar presents a scenario which, if it is correct, violates a whole handful of currently accepted physical theories. That in and of itself does not necessarily mean that his scenario is impossible. But the presentation of the scenario by Lazar is troubling from a scientific standpoint. Mr. Lazar on many occasions demonstrates an obvious lack of understanding of current physical theories. On no occasion does he acknowledge that his scenario violates physical laws as we understand them, and on no occasion does he offer up any hints of new theories which would make his mechanism possible. Mr. Lazar has a propensity for re-defining scientific terms, and using scientific language in a confusing and careless way. For these reasons, I don’t feel that Lazar's pseudo-scientific ramblings are really worthy of any kind of serious consideration.

I will focus on the parts of Lazar's text which I took the most exception with- most of these excerpts relate to particle physics, which is my field. Lazar's text is in boldface. He begins by describing the principle behind interstellar travel...

This is accomplished by generating an intense gravitational field and using that field to distort space/time, bringing the destination to the source, and allowing you to cross many light years of space in little time and without traveling in a linear mode near the speed of light.

I’m less bothered by the wording of this passage now than I used to be, although I still think it’s misleading. If you are distorting spacetime with a gravitational field, it produces a very specific kind of distortion, and a very specific kind of attraction. That’s what gravity IS – a distortion in spacetime, at least according to general relativity. And gravity attracts EVERYTHING. A gravitational field is a gravitational field...you can't pick and choose which objects it has an effect on. So, going by what Lazar says here, I still say that if you were to generate a gravitational field intense enough to warp spacetime and "bring the destination to the source" you'll also bring everything else in the nearby universe to the source too! If Mr. Lazar had really distorted spacetime like this back in his "Area 51" lab, every object on the face of the Earth would have rushed into New Mexico. Before they crashed back in the 50's, the alien saucers would have sucked the Earth right out of orbit!

Now I’m no expert in general relativity, but I believe that there ARE solutions in GR which do involve distortions of spacetime that are not “gravitational” in nature. (In other words they would not “attract” things outside of the distortion.) There are serious scientists that do serious work on wormholes and warp bubbles and other mechanisms which could allow faster-than-light travel by taking advantage of distortions in spacetime. As this research stands right now, it seems clear that the energy requirements which would be required by this kind of travel are unimaginable by any standards – even the most fanciful extrapolations of alien technology. I’m talking about an entire star’s-worth or even a galaxy’s-worth of energy! More mass/energy than could be contained in a tiny saucer, or even all of New Mexico for that matter.

There are currently two main theories about gravity. The "wave" theory which states that gravity is a wave, and the other is a theory which includes "gravitons", which are alleged sub-atomic particles which perform as gravity, which by the way, is total nonsense.

These statements by Lazar are "total nonsense". There is only ONE currently accepted theory of gravity: General Relativity. In GR, gravity is described as a distortion of spacetime, not as a particle or a wave. There are phenomena known as "gravitational waves" which exist in GR, but this does not seem to be what Lazar is talking about. Lazar says that gravity IS a wave. It isn’t a wave. The "gravitons" which he speaks of are a feature of QUANTUM gravitational theories, and I think they require a little explanation.

All physicists realize that the theories of QM and GR are incomplete, because they are mutually incompatible. In order to have a complete theory, theoretical physicists are looking to combine the two into a unified theory which will involve a quantum theory of gravity. There are currently no quantum theories of gravity that work. But even though a satisfactory theory does not yet exist, there is nothing at all nonsensical about gravitons. When an adequate quantum theory of gravity IS formulated, the energy of the gravitational field will be quantized. This quantum of the gravitational field is what physicists call the graviton. It is no more nonsensical than the photon - which is the quantum of the electromagnetic field.

(To add to the confusion of Lazar's statement, in any quantum theory of gravity, as in all quantum theories, the graviton will be, in a sense, BOTH a particle AND a wave!)

The fact that gravity is a wave has caused mainstream scientists to surmise numerous sub-atomic particles which don't actually exist and this has caused great complexity and confusion in the study of particle physics.

As a particle physicist, I must say that I have NO IDEA what he is talking about here. Surmising particles that don't exist? I can't think of a single particle whose existence has been postulated as a result of gravitational theories. Perhaps the graviton is one, but that’s about it.

You must have at least an atom of substance for it to be considered "matter". At least a proton and an electron and in most cases a neutron. Anything short of an atom such as upquarks and downquarks which make up protons and neutrons; or protons, neutrons, or electrons, individually are considered to be mass and do not constitute "matter" until they form an atom.

These are peculiar and nonstandard definitions. The standard use of the term "matter" includes anything which has mass. Even a single quark is considered to be a particle of matter. If a quark isn’t “matter” than what is it? All elementary particles are either matter particles or force-carrying particles. An electron is a mater particle, and so is a quark.

It may seem like a small point, but I think that errors like these are what make Lazar’s “theory” so dubious. How can we give much consideration to someone who claims to be overthrowing the foundations of particle physics, when it’s fairly obvious that he isn’t even familiar with the terminology?

Gravity A is what is currently being labeled as the "strong nuclear force" in mainstream physics ...

This is the place where Lazar begins to get him self in real trouble. As it is understood now, the strong nuclear force has NOTHING TO DO WITH GRAVITY. Such a statement shows either a complete lack of understanding of the physics of the Standard Model of particle interactions, or a BLATANT attempt at deception. The equations and coupling strengths which describe the two forces are totally different and unrelated. The strong force couples only to quarks and gluons. The gravitational force couples to all particles with mass. The strong force is extremely short range. The range of gravity is infinite. The gravitational coupling constant is orders of magnitude smaller than that of the strong interaction. There is NO BASIS for using the word "gravity" to describe the strong interaction IN ANY WAY.

If Mr. Lazar has formulated a NEW model in which the two forces are really the same, then he has unified gravity with the other three forces of nature, and he should publish it now and collect his Nobel Prize. If he DOES NOT have such a new theory then his statement here is ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

It's not good enough to just call the strong interaction "gravity A wave". You've got to demonstrate that it actually has SOMETHING to do with gravity if you're going to attach that name to it! The words by themselves are meaningless. I want to see some equations. Otherwise, this statement is not only wrong, but utterly incomprehensible.

...it should be obvious that a large, single star system, binary star system, or multiple star system would have had more of the prerequisite mass and electromagnetic energy present during their creations.

Now we get into some fuzzy astronomy. Mr. Lazar doesn’t seem to understand where heavy elements come from, or how they are formed.

First we have to assume that when Lazar says “large” he means “massive.” The "largeness" of a star says nothing about its mass. In five or ten billion years, the sun will be as large as the orbit of Mars. A star's size changes drastically during its lifetime. It’s pretty clear that what Lazar should be talking about here is the MASS of the star.

The next section is a little vague, but he SEEMS to be suggesting that his element 115, the alien fuel source, which doesn't exist on the Earth, should be present in those solar systems that were more massive at their inception. The implication here is that a star system which condensed out of a more massive primordial cloud should have a greater abundance of heavier elements. This is quite incorrect.

Heavy elements – all elements heavier than iron – are not formed during the normal life cycles of stars. The only time when these nuclei are "cooked" is during the collapse and subsequent explosion of supernovae. The supernova explosion then spreads heavy elements throughout the galaxy. For this reason, the abundances of heavy elements in any particular star system depend NOT upon the properties of the current star, but on the properties of the nearby stars of the PREVIOUS GENERATION! Therefore, all of the star systems in a particular region of the galaxy will have essentially the same abundances of heavy elements, regardless of the mass of star. If element 115 is STABLE, as Lazar claims it to be, then it should be created in supernova explosions and it should exist EVERYWHERE!

The most important attribute of these heavier, stable elements is that the gravity A wave is so abundant that it actually extends past the perimeter of the atom. These heavier, stable elements literally have their own gravity A field around them...

No naturally occurring atoms on earth have enough protons and neutrons for the cumulative gravity A wave to extend past the perimeter of the atom...

Since Mr. Lazar has already identified this gravity A wave with the nuclear force, he is essentially claiming that the nuclear force of element 115 extends beyond the limits of the "115-ium" atom. (I'm tempted to call it Lazarium...and somewhat surprised that he doesn't!!) This is simply not possible, given the known properties of the nuclear force. The past 50 years of probing the nucleus have taught us that the range of the nuclear force is VERY short, and protons and neutrons only feel the pull of their nearest neighbors in a nucleus. Because of this fact, the nuclear force extends out to about the same distance away from a nucleus NO MATTER HOW MASSIVE THE NUCLEUS IS. This fact is fundamental to the science of nuclear physics.

Once again, if Mr. Lazar has a NEW MODEL of the nuclear interaction which explains the properties and decay rates of known nuclei...which can predict the abundances of elements synthesized in the Big Bang...which can describe all of the properties of nuclear reactions which take place inside of stars...all as well as our current theories do all of these things (which is VERY well!) then he should publish it and collect his Nobel Prize. If not, then once again his statements make NO SENSE in the light of everything that we know about nuclear interactions.

Now even though the distance that the gravity A wave extends past the perimeter of the atom is infinitesimal, it is accessible and it has amplitude, wavelength and frequency, just like any OTHER wave in the electromagnetic spectrum. Once you can access the gravity A wave, you can amplify it just like we amplify OTHER electromagnetic waves.

(MY EMPHASIS)
I have emphasized the use of the word "other" in this paragraph to show that Mr. Lazar apparently thinks that his "gravity A wave", which if you recall, is also the strong nuclear force, is ALSO an electromagnetic wave. Perhaps he HAS formulated a "Grand Unified Theory" after all! Or perhaps this is just another example of his careless use of scientific terms.

Conclusions

I want to take some time here to talk about scientific progress, because there is one common objection to my critique of Lazar’s scenario. People will often say “Modern science could be wrong. Newton was wrong! Lazar could be right!” Yes. That is correct. In fact, modern science almost certainly IS “wrong.” But the only real test of a theory in science is that it works. Newton’s Laws worked. They still do in most situations. Einstein’s theories are better – they are more accurate and they work in more situations. New theories will continue to come along that are more precise and more generally applicable than the older theories, and these new theories will be tested by experiments until they supplant the old ones. That is how science has progressed for the past 400 years.

So it is not enough to SAY that modern science is wrong. You have to demonstrate that you have something that is better. And that “better” theory needs to do everything that the old theory does, and then do more. And chances are that it won’t completely turn the old theory on it’s head – because we already know that the old theories work too well. It is not possible to create a new theory until you understand the old one well enough to present a coherent alternative. Calling current science “total nonsense” is nice rhetoric, and no doubt convincing to many non-scientists who feel alienated from science and look on scientists as a kind of modern priesthood of arcane knowledge. But science is a process – not a body of knowledge.

I can't possibly demonstrate conclusively that Lazar's mechanism is impossible. All that I can hope to demonstrate here is that his scenario would require a COMPLETE overhaul of our theories of gravity and particle physics in order to work. Not just some minor changes...I'm talking from the ground up. Mr. Lazar makes no mention of this fact, and he proposes no alternative theories. But, if Lazar's scenario is true, then we will NEED some new theories, because we are wrong about a great many things. We don't understand gravity. We don't understand nuclear interactions. We don't understand spacetime. We don't understand stellar evolution. However, considering Mr. Lazar's careless use of language, his casual redefinition of scientific terms, and the complete lack of details in his presentation, I'm willing to bet the farm that it is actually Lazar who doesn't understand any of these things.

But wait.....There’s an addendum!!

Lazar explains on his current webpage (www.boblazar.com) how his element 115 not only serves as the generator of the Gravity A wave, but ALSO as the fuel for a matter/antimatter reactor that powers the rest of the saucer. Let's take a close look at Lazar's explanation of this reactor...

"The power source is a reactor. Inside the reactor, element 115 is bombarded with a proton, which plugs into the nucleus of the 115 atom and becomes element 116, which immediately decays and releases or radiates small amounts of anti-matter. The anti-matter is released in a vacuum into a tuned tube, which keeps it from reacting with the matter that surrounds it. It is then directed toward the gaseous matter target at the end of the tube. The matter, which in this case is the gas, and the anti-matter, collide and annihilate totally converting to energy. The heat from this reaction is converted into electrical energy in a near one hundred percent efficient thermoelectric generator. "

Lots of impressive sounding stuff about reactors and bombarding with protons and all that. But read it again. Antimatter and matter are converted into energy. Fine. But where does the antimatter come from? From element 115 when it is "bombarded with a proton" by the ship's reactor. Hmmm. And just exactly HOW MUCH energy would your reactor have to put into each proton to have it create an antiproton?? Well, exactly the mass energy of an antiproton! And how much energy do you get back out when the antiproton annihilates? EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF ENERGY THAT YOU PUT INTO CREATING IT!!

(Actually, you can't just make an antiproton by itself, you have to make a proton/anti-proton pair. So your reactor needs to put in 2 "protons-worth" of mass-energy into each proton in the beam.)

If you have to MAKE your own antimatter on board, your system produces NO NET ENERGY AT ALL!! You put 2 protons worth of energy in, and you get 2 protons worth of energy out! In fact, the BEST this system could do would be to make ZERO energy, but in fact, it would more likely USE far more energy than it would make.

Conservation of energy rears it's ugly head, and once again - it looks like Bob's saucer is going nowhere fast!

Dr. David L. Morgan
Comments?
morgand@newschool.edu
August 26, 1996, revised October 2005

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[3:11:42 AM- Friday, November 7th, 2014 +11UCT] Sirius 17: http://io9.com/in-this-image-two-photons-interact-heres-why-its-grou-1654502848?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

[3:12:03 AM] Sirius 17: this is cool, Barbara shared this on fb yesterday
[9:16:25 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: This relates to the well known physics of pair production. Without the presence of mass, say an atomic nucleus, NO pair Production can occur; meaning that a high energy gamma photon cannot split into a matter-antimatter pair of say an electron and a positron. Those Austrian quantum physicists applied this in a technology not engaging antimatter products, but this photon quantum entanglement.

<<< Without the presence of mass, say an atomic nucleus, NO pair Production can occur; meaning that a high energy gamma phpoton cannot split into a matter-antimatter pair of say an electron and a positron

Why is this so?

[9:20:46 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Well mass emits a graviton and this graviton 'unifies' with the other 3 gauge interaction bosons in a real 'unified field'. Graviton+Gauge photon+gluon+weakon antiphoton=-2+1+1=0 with the antiphoton of +1 spin neutralised by the RMP of -1 spin
[9:25:33 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: The antiphoton is the Higgs Boson precursor showing just why no antimatter is required in the Big Bang. Rather the existence of anti radiation before the existence of any mass takes its place in the unified field , but is suppressed by the Higgs Boson and its well modelled mass production quantum mechanical process.

In This Image, Two Photons Interact. Here's Why It's Groundbreaking.


George Dvorsky


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Normally, photons want nothing to do with one another. Light waves just pass through each other like ghosts. But now, for the first time ever, scientists at the University of Vienna have coaxed a strong interaction between two single photons. It's an achievement that opens up radical new possibilities for a number of quantum technologies.

Above: In an optical fiber — about half as thick as a human hair — light can be seen running around its axis. In this case the light can not escape along the fiber because the diameter decreases to both sides. (University of Vienna)

Photons normally pass right through other beams of light. Indeed, light is this funky mixture of classical and quantum phenomenon, exhibiting properties of both waves and particles. This is great for engineers who wish to exploit these anti-social attributes, allowing them to create such things as optical fibre cables that stretch for miles. But it's a constraint if you want to transmit information through secure quantum channels, or for building optical gates. This latest breakthrough could change that.
A team of researchers at the University of Vienna created a strong interaction between two photons by using an ultra-thin glass fibre. The interaction was so strong that the phase of the photons was altered by 180 degrees.
"It is like a pendulum, which should actually swing to the left, but due to coupling with a second pendulum, it is swinging to the right. There cannot be a more extreme change in the pendulum's oscillation", noted study co-author Arno Rauschenbeutel in a statement. "We achieve the strongest possible interaction with the smallest possible intensity of light."




The light in a fiber is coupled to a bottle-shaped resonator. (University of Vienna)


To make it happen, the photon was sent on a rather unconventional journey. An ultra-thin glass fibre was joined to a tiny bottle-like optical resonator so that light could enter into the resonator, twist about in circles, and then return to the glass fibre. It was this detour through the resonator that inverted the phase of the photon. And in fact, a wave crest appeared where a wave trough was expected.
But when the researchers added a single rubidium atom to the resonator, the system changed dramatically. Because of the atom, hardly any light entered into the resonator and the oscillation phase of the photon remained unchanged. Essentially, the addition of the atom got both photons to talk to each other.
As far as quantum mechanics is concerned, the two photons are indistinguishable. As noted by the University of Vienna release:
They have to be considered as a joint wave-like object, which is located in the resonator and in the glass fibre at the same time. Therefore, one cannot tell which photon has been absorbed and which one has passed. When both hit the resonator at the same time, they thus experience a joint phase shift of 180 degrees. Hence, two simultaneous photons that interact show a completely different behaviour than single photons.
This resulted in the creation of a "maximally entangled photon state" — a state that's required in quantum optics, quantum teleportation, and for the creation of light-transistors which could be used for quantum computing.
All this said, the system wasn't perfect. The noise rate was at 50%, which is a far cry from what's required in a quantum computer. But it's a remarkable achievement nonetheless, one that, if it can be refined, could result in scalable quantum computers.

Read the entire study at Nature Photonics:
"Nonlinear π phase shift for single fibre-guided photons interacting with a single resonator-enhanced atom".