The Factuals versus the NABS (New Age BullShit)

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Re: The Factuals versus the Nabs

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Raven on Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:08 am

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I'm not going to reveal what those "X" factors are because we are under a state of siege at the present time but are gradually attaining a degree of operational freedom. We practice OPSEC, that is Operational Security but not dogmatically and slavishly the way some "researchers" do. I would be crazy to reveal what makes this particular group of abductees unique.
"In War the Truth is so precious she must always be attended by a bodyguard of Lies."-Winston Churchill
This much I will tell you: Some of these people have endured the most hard core experiences with a commendable amount of equanimity and are eager to be thoroughly debriefed about their experiences down to the most minute detail. And we listen to them as opposed to just "hearing" them.
If anyone out there has been fortunate enough to see Barbara Bartholic give one of her infrequent lectures you will see that her tactic is to play videotapes of the abductees at length and allow them to describe exactly what’s happened to them in their own words. This tactic is almost totally at variance with the methods practiced by most so called abduction researchers who insist on cramming a square peg (abductee testimony) into a round hole (their own pre-conceived biases about the abduction syndrome which usually include "grays" "hybrids" ad nauseum).
The only way we can ever develop effective countermeasures and an offensive capability against the reptilian overlords of this world is to obtain ALL the information available from the people actually having the experiences (the abductees), correctly interpret the information, and disseminate it to those who have the most urgent need for it i.e. the abductees again.
Notice that I said abductees. I didn't say aeronautical engineers, Psychologist, UFO Investigators or people with backgrounds in the military. I said Abductees. We are only interested in the people who are down in the trenches actually having the experiences. I call them "Veterans of the Cosmic Wars."

ABDUCTEES AREN'T GETTING THE DATA

Intelligence is broken down into three fundamental aspects: Collection, Interpretation and Dissemination. For effective countermeasures to be developed all three must be clicking on all cylinders all the time.
This is patently not the case in the abduction research field. It breaks down at all points but most notably in the last category of dissemination. When you don't get the finished product to the people who have the most need for it, disasters like the Japanese Attack on Pearl Harbour are the result.
There was nothing "sneaky" about that attack. Japanese Naval and Diplomatic ciphers both high and low grade were being read by American Naval and Army codebreakers (Ultra and Magic), information was brought to the FBI six months prior to the attack by a double agent from British MI5 (run by the Twenty Committee or XX Cross) .So why then weren't the Americans prepared that fateful Sunday morning December 7th, 1941? Incompetence at all levels. Egos and Empires. So what else is new?
The exact same thing happens in the abduction research field. The reason it breaks down at all phases especially in the dissemination phase is always the same. Egotistical manipulated abduction researchers.
It seems strangely difficult for some to realize that aliens perpetrate mind control on abductees and especially abduction researchers. Curiously everyone involved in UFO research and in conspiracy research in general, unanimously agree that the government practices mind control but they are silent on the reality of alien mind control and conditioning on human beings.
I have said it time and again: The first goal of the aliens vis a vis a particular abductee or researcher is to activate the ego. As far as I'm concerned, an abduction researcher who has allowed their puny ego to be activated by the aliens is worthless at best and downright dangerous at worst.
There are a number of female abductees out there who have been preyed upon in a very improper manner by their male hypnotherapist researchers both in and out of hypnotic regression and it is incumbent upon these women to identify who these perpetrators are lest another female abductee fall victim to the base primordial perversions of these "researchers."
I'll tell you another thing about some of these "X" factor abductees: Some of them can literally see the reptilian image superimposed over other abductees or RESEARCHERS.
If someone can develop something akin to Kirlian photography that would allow us to photograph the reptilian entity overshadowing the host and put the pictures up on the internet I guarantee you some paradigms would be shattered.
The abductee community would be aghast at how numerous these hosts are and how pervasive is their malign influence upon the lives of abductees.

TALK IS CHEAP

A final point I want to make before we move on to the subjects of counterintelligence and propaganda. There are a lot of researchers and UFO activists out there thumping on there chest like Tarzan and blowing smoke about how great they are and how stupid everyone else is.
Well, talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. This is what I believe about the current state of abduction research:
If you call yourself an abduction researcher and you are unaware that:
A) the reptilians and aliens manipulate the dreamscape and condition the physical body to respond to certain stimuli of an erotic or even a perverse nature,
B) that the reptilians promote the use of drugs especially methamphetamine and crank in order to turn an abductee into an energy sucking manipulated puppet and will sometimes host these people to further a particularly violent or sexually perverse agenda or,
C) Can manipulate the health of abductees in myriad ways and have even been responsible for the deaths of abductees or,
D) have actually hosted abductees and researchers alike, then I don't take you seriously.
I don't care how popular you are, how many times you've been on the Art Bell show, how pretty your website is, how many books you've sold, how massive your ego is or how long you've been playing Big Shot Researcher.
Please don't tell me you are an abduction researcher because everything I've just described is so basic it isn't funny. It’s a tragedy that the people who are having these experiences or are caught up in the misery of them (vis a vis manipulated abductees and vengeful aliens) aren't being given the truth--or any idea that what I have described is even related to the abduction syndrome. As such, they remain uninformed and under the bonds of imposed ignorance. Destined to make choices that are not in their best interest.
And if you have never had the experiences-- or worse do not admit to them, then shut the hell up. I have grown weary of abduction researchers who've never had the experiences misrepresenting the lives of countless abductees who have. I hold beneath contempt those Closet Case Abductees who presume to lecture others about the alien abduction syndrome and yet lack the guts and self worth to admit to themselves let alone anyone else that they've had the experiences.
People like that are not even qualified to venture an opinion about the subject. They can take that Doctorate in Psychology, History or any other subject and use it to blow their nose with for all I care. It does not entitle them to comment on the Alien Abduction Syndrome.
If you as a "researcher" or abductee for that matter-- don't believe, understand or never heard of some of the information I have shared, it doesn't mean that its not true. It only means that you don't believe it, don't understand it or never heard of it. That’s all that means.

"COUNTERINTELLIGENCE"

If the craft of Intelligence can be defined as the art of divining the intentions and the capabilities of an enemy or a potential enemy than counterintelligence can be defined as the art of deceiving or misleading an enemy or a potential enemy as to ones own strength, capabilities and intentions.
It was British General J.F.C. Fuller who drew a parallel between the commander in wartime who seeks to impose his will upon the enemy commander, thus delving into the realm of magic and the magician (or Warlock) who seeks to impose his will upon his victim thus delving into the realm of war.
General J.F.C. Fuller was uniquely qualified to speak about both War and Magic.
It was General Fuller who was the originator of the "Blitzkrieg" concept of modern warfare.
Blitzkrieg (Lightning Warfare in German) means the utilization of tanks and armored vehicles, supported by close air support (CAS), artillery and motorized infantry in a concentrated attack against a weak point in the enemy's front in order to gain access to the enemy's vital communications and supply centers in his rear, bypassing enemy strong points to be handled by trailing elements of non-motorized infantry whilst the armored spearheads continue the advance.
General Guderian, the foremost proponent of Tank Warfare for the Germans prior to World War II, has stated for the record that it was from Fuller's writings that Guderian had derived the concept of Blitzkrieg which led to Germany's smashing victories in France and the Low Countries in 1940 and to their initial successes in North Africa and Russia in 1941.
Likewise it was to Fuller that then Major George S. Patton, commander of the fledgling U.S. Tank Corps in France in 1917 turned to for advice in tank warfare for the Americans during World War I.
J.F.C. Fuller is the author of dozens of books about military history, strategy and theory including such classic works as "The Generalship of Ulysses S. Grant" "Grant and Lee: A Study in Personality and Generalship" "The Generalship of Alexander the Great" and "Julius Caesar: Man, Soldier, Tyrant."
What most people don't know is that J.F.C. Fuller, a British Officer who eventually attained the rank of Major Genera,l was for many years a practicing Warlock (an Adept) and a disciple of one Aleister Crowley. Indeed Fuller (Frater Per Ardua) was the first initiate into Crowley's secret order Argentium Astrium and hence was Crowley's second in command and probably introduced the latter to British Intelligence.
Fuller wrote such classic works as "Yoga," "The Secret Wisdom of the Qabbala," "The Pathworkings of Aleister Crowley," and was a contributing writer on "Commentaries on the Holy Books" among others.
"A commander in war seeks to impose his will upon the mind of the enemy commander thus delving into the realm of Magic. The Magician strives to impose his will upon his victim thus delving into the realm of War."
Do you see the connection now? One of the first objectives for an antagonist involved in Spiritual Warfare is to impose his will upon the mind of his victim.
It was Frederick Douglas, the pre Civil War Ex-Slave, Writer and Abolitionist who said "A slave is first shackled in his mind BEFORE he is shackled on his body."
Frederick Douglas was the worst nightmare for a slave owner: A Former Slave who can read, write and speak authoritatively on the subject of his own slavery and degradation at the hands of his "Masters"-- the latter an oxymoron if I ever heard one. What do you think the worst nightmare of a reptilian is?

Spiritual Warfare is Control of the Mind

Remember all of these points I have made about Magick, War and the Mind because they have everything to do with counterintelligence.
Some of you may have read my previous papers "The Grand Strategy of the Reptilians" and "Common Sense: Rebuttal to a Reptile in Human Clothing." I deliberately withheld the release of those two papers onto the internet until such a time when there were no "Imminent Landings" , "Signals from Space" "Revealed Hoaxes" or any other mindless crap which seems to whip the UFO community into a frenzy every other month at least.
The reasons for this were twofold: First, I wanted to provide meaningful information about the Spiritual Warfare which has existed between ourselves and the reptilians since Time Immemorial.
The second reason quite frankly was PSYOPS. Psychological Warfare Operations perpetrated upon the Muppet Show i.e. all the manipulated abductees, the New Age La-dee-dahs, and the reptilian hosts who pollute the UFO research community to show by their violent reaction to my White Propoganda (Truthful information disseminated to peoples in territories occupied or controlled by the enemy) how I could get into the minds of not only the muppets but by extension the minds of their alien and reptilian handlers.
I did this because I wanted to provide all the intelligent people who read UFO related information on the internet a unique opportunity to see the Collective Hive Consciousness of the Muppet Show in action.
It must have been obvious by the instantaneous and violent reaction from the muppet show in the form of endless streams of abuse and criticism directed at me that I succeeded. Of course if you understand the psychology of the Collective Hive Consciousness of the reptilian controlled Muppet Show as I do then you will know that this reaction was entirely PREDICTABLE.

THAT'S THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE. I KNEW THAT EVEN A RELATIVELY SMALL AMOUNT OF FACTUAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE REPTILIAN OVERLORDSHIP OF THIS WORLD WOULD TRIGGER EVERY MANIPULATED MUPPET ON THE 'NET INTO A MOUTH FOAMING RAGE WHICH WOULD COMPEL THEM TO RESPOND WITH ALL THE KNEE JERK PROGRAMMED RESPONSES ABOUT "DISINFORMATION" (WHICH I WILL ADDRESS SHORTLY) "CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISM," "SPIRITUAL RETARDATION", "POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE POLARITIES" AD NAUSEUM.
THE INCIPIENT AND VICIOUS KNEE JERK RESPONSE FROM THE MUPPET SHOW WAS ENTIRELY PREDICTABLE.
IT WAS THE COLLECTIVE HIVE CONSCIOUSNESS AND HERD MENTALITY WHICH THE REPTILIANS STRIVE TO IMPOSE UPON THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE WHICH MANIFESTED ITSELF AFTER I RELEASED THOSE TWO PAPERS ONTO THE INTERNET.

For days after the release of those two papers, muppets throughout the various internet group lists were trying to outdo each other in finding new and better ways to insult me and marginalize the information I shared.
I must admit that I derived a tremendous amount of satisfaction knowing that there were countless muppets and hosts out there who were figuratively beating their heads against their computer screens in helpless rage over my White Propoganda.
In effect, I had imposed my will upon the collective hive consciousness for a period of several days at least. This should give many out there hope that we can still win this war.
The hive consciousness of the muppet show is a weakness, it’s not a strength. When the muppets outlive their usefulness they will merely be discarded by the reptilians like the flotsam and jetsam of any other war. The Hive Consciousness or Herd Mentality is the polar opposite of Accurate Thinking.
Accurate thinking means you obtain ALL your information about any subject from credible sources and use YOUR OWN MIND to evaluate the information instead of someone else's.

REPTILIAN PROPOGANDA

I will give examples of Reptilian Propoganda and Disinformation and will then provide historical examples of counterintelligence and disinformation. After reading this there will be no further confusion as to what exactly constitutes disinformation and what doesn't. When someone accuses someone else of disseminating "disinformation" it presupposes the accuser actually has the "real" information. As we shall see that is not always the case especially when the accusers are alien propogandists and reptilian hosts.
Intelligence agencies such as the C.I.A. employ hundreds of people who do nothing more than read domestic and international open source publications and literature. The latter is a very useful form of intelligence gathering. An occassional intelligence bonanza can be reaped merely by reading open source publications from both friendly and hostile nations.
It was precisely for that reason that General Sherman distrusted and hated northern war correspondents because he believed, and rightly so, that the northern press was providing too much information relative to union troop strengths, troop movements and future plans to the Confederate forces he was fighting against in the field.
As distasteful as it is for our team to do, we must read reptilian propoganda in the form of neutralist-positivist UFO and New Age newsletters, magazines and on occasion even attend the lectures of reptilian propogandists in order to familiarize ourselves with the propoganda the muppet show is currently spewing.
Barbara Bartholic is a master at allowing the people she works with to tell their own story in their owns words and to allow them to develop whatever theories or feelings they may have about the subject.
And if a particular individual chooses to become a reptilian propogandist or a New Age Metaphysicist that is not her concern. Like the silent operators in the intelligence world who keep the information flow coming in year after year, anyone in their right mind has the wisdom to see these people as a valuable source of insight into the Collective Hive Consciousness and as an intelligence source regarding future reptilian intentions. Only an amateur would consider cutting themselves off from such a valuable source of information.
We do this in order to gain insight into the spin control they are applying to certain aspects of the UFO subject. There is no better example of this form of reptilian propoganda and disinformation than that provided by the reptilian host Boylan.
In the January 1999 "Contact Forum" Boylan wrote the following comments based on "information" he allegedly obtained from an informant within the National Security Agency.
"...The Bilderbergers and the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) decided in the mid 50's to enter into an arrangement with the ET's. The ET's were given an island in French Polynesia as a base on Earth. This arrangement afforded them an opportunity to moniter closely Earth cultures and behavior and permitted Earth governments a way to moniter extraterrestrial culture and behavior. It became an ongoing experiment as my former NSA informant put it."
Well, maybe. Maybe not. Either way it is irrelevent. I can think of any number of underground alien bases here in the southwest. Indeed there is a large underground-undersea facility right here in San Diego that some members of our team were unwilling guests at. There is another underground base within two hours of my house in the high desert that we have collected data on for the last three years.
Moreover it is unclear how these ET's can "monitor closely Earth cultures and behavior" when they are compelled by this alleged treaty to stay on an island in French Polynesia.
It’s just another example of the reptilian host Boylan attempting to "Big Shot" the gullible with his alleged "sources" within NSA. I already mentioned that it is foolish to ascribe knowledge about the UFO subject to someone merely because they were or are alleged to have been former members of the intelligence community.
If taken at face value, Boylan would have us believe that an advanced extraterrestrial civilization which has mastered the art of interstellar space travel would appear hat in hand to our government during the 1950's, enter into a treaty with a nation which is still using primitive thrust propulsion as a mode of air travel, and would meekly settle for a tiny island in French Polynesia.
This is as absurd as Cortez meekly bowing to the Aztecs with his tail tucked between his legs and then sailing off with his conquistadors in search of a more hospitable place to come ashore. In fact, Cortez ordered his ships burned so his soldiers wouldn't insist on re-embarking and leaving.
Likewise, the ET's submitting to the terms of such a treaty is as unlikely as the European powers in the early part of this century meekly submitting to China's rights as a sovereign nation and returning to Europe instead of using "Gun Boat Diplomacy" to install "Trading Concessions"-- which for all intents and purposes served as their own economic spheres of influence on the Chinese mainland. Some may think the latter two examples drawn from human history are fallacious comparisons. I do not believe so. The Europeans regarded the Chinese as little more than heathen savages whilst the Chinese Leadership in turn regarded all Europeans as Foreign Devils.
The next quote from the January 1999 "Contact Forum" is significant. I want the reader to pay close attention to the language the reptilian host Boylan uses because it is very revealing:
"NSC's (the National Security Council) Dr. Michael Wolf has previously revealed in his book "Catchers of Heaven" that he worked with ET's as part of his government duties, "I met with extraterrestrial individuals every day in my work and shared living quarters with them." He added that the Zetas work in underground facilities as requested by the U.S. Government. The ET's are not breaking the U.S Government-Zeta Treaties, but the Government has broken treaties by mistreating ET's and trying to fire on UFO's."
Up untill now, many within the UFO research community have searched for the answers to these mysteries everywhere but right under their noses. The above quote which I have highlighted in bold is very revealing in that it expresses the sentiments of a Non-Human Intelligence.
"The ET's are not breaking the U.S. Government-Zeta Treaties but the Government has broken treaties by mistreating ET's and trying to fire on UFO's."(!)
What could be more revealing? Mistreating ET's? Trying to fire on UFO's?
What about the countless abductees who are suffering from ill health as a result of their alien abductions? Not to mention the Dulce Wars of the late 70’s. What about all the military and civilian aircraft which have malfunctioned and crashed as a result of UFO activity? What about the countless humans from all countries around the world, both military and civilian whose lives were terminated by the reptilian controlled security services of this planet because they knew too much about the UFO subject?
The writer of these words revealed itself as an entity utterly contemptuous of human life and completely ignorant about the security measures that are taken to ensure with few exceptions, that those exposed to absolute proof of extraterrestrial and non-human life here on Earth cannot recall with any degree of clarity what they have seen or heard.
Any investigator in the UFO field worth his or her salt has developed their own informants who have formerly worked in deep black military projects relating to the UFO subject.
Over the years I have spoken to a number of individuals who I am satisfied have been involved in some way, shape or form with UFO related projects within the military and have related to me the truth as they understand it. In almost every case selective mind control and memory erasure was utilized in order to ensure that secrecy was maintained.
A close friend of mine worked with the Air Force Audio Visual Command at Norton Air Force Base in California in the 1970's. Thanks to the efforts of certain researchers, we now know that Norton AFB was the place where much of the movie footage and still photography of UFO's were developed.
My friend Rachael (an abductee) had a Top Secret Clearance working in photo development. She never could recall actually working at the facility. She had vague memories of going to work and coming home from work, but aside from a vaguely remembered episode in which she had become nauseous at a "cafeteria" with doctors and nurses attending her and other odd memories of being trained to operate advanced technology by an individual in a labcoat while floating fifteen feet in the air, she cannot recall anything.
Since she has left the Air Force there have been efforts by various intelligence agencies including NSA to recruit her for certain types of work which she has always refused. In May 1978 they attempted to recruit her for work involving Air Force Combat Controllers working in conjunction with the French Foreign Legion's 2nd Parachute Regiment (2nd REP) which had conducted a combat jump into Kolwezi, Zaire.
I debriefed another woman who worked as a radar specialist with the Air Force and who found herself involved in a project designed to determine if the radar of surface to air missiles (SAMs) were able to lock on to UFO's in the mid 1980's. This person appeared in silhouette, for I believe the Discovery Channel or The Learning Channel on a special regarding Governement UFO conspiracies.
"Irene" worked at the Tonopah Test Range. She stated that the exercise was conducted at an unspecified location in the desert. Up to fifteen different UFO's flew to within a hundred yards of the radar shack she and the other radar specialists (other "volunteers" she had never seen before) were working at. After the exercise they were bused to a facility she believed to be at Area 51 where all the participants were given shots in the back of the neck. Thereafter her memories were very fuzzy. She said there was a period of over four months which she could not account for.
The latter are just two examples where selective mind control was utilized on Air Force personnel. I have spoken with members of all branches of the military who have been tampered with in similar fashion in order to ensure secrecy and to selectively erase memories.
Often as not, those who have been manipulated in this fashion were abductees to begin with. Larry Warren (a true hero in my book) has stated for the record that those who suffered the worst harassment at RAF Bentwaters- Woodbridge were abductees. This just strengthens my conviction that the deep black reptilian and alien controlled military know exactly who the abductees are within the Armed Forces.
All of this relates back to the propoganda being spewed out by the reptilian host Boylan. It has been established that there is an ongoing interaction between deep black human elements within the military-aerospace complex on the one hand and the reptilians and other non-human intelligences on the other. It is foolish to suggest that the humans are operating at anywhere near an equal footing with the reptilians in the underground facilities.
There has been a concerted effort over the last several years to heap all the blame for the miseries experienced by certain abductees upon "the military." This fosters a mistrust towards not only the military but towards human institutions in general which the reptilians are only too willing to exploit.
I'll say it again. Mind controlled security thugs are a symptom. They are not the ultimate problem.
Granted there are some people who are striving to break free from deep black projects where their special and unique talents are being used for malevolent purposes and I do understand the misgivings they may have about the "military."
I share their misgivings. I was extremely disillusioned myself after going through extended periods of harassment. I grew up a Navy Brat and voted Republican in every election since I was old enough to vote. The Army-Navy Football Game was The Big Event in our houseold every Autumn. To this day the interior of my mom's house looks like a shrine dedicated to George Bush and Ronald Reagan.
I went to school in London England in the 1980's and took a foreign language course in Germany in the early 1990's and was the epitome of the self- righteous American. I was ready to duke it out with any European who criticized our policy in Central America and the Middle East. It took alien abductions and harassment by deep black security elements to get me to "wake up and smell the coffee" so to speak. I still revere our Heritage and the noun America still resonates deep within me but I no longer look out through the world with rose coloured glasses. It was a learning process and I am still striving to learn more every day because I know where my wisdom ends and my ignorance begins.
I want those who have been harrassed by military security elements and have decided to crusade against "the military" to understand that the "military" is not in control of the situation. Understand that there has been an ongoing interaction between the reptilians and non-human intelligences in general with high ranking Human Adepts and Warlocks for centuries. Indeed, it was during the Sixteenth Century that Dr. John Dee, the original 007 and Queen Elizabeth's Spymaster who along with Edward Kelly, revived the ancient language of Enochian which is utilized to summon extraterrestrial and interdimensional entities into our space/time continuum.
The effort to "blame the military" for all UFO related troubles is just another facet of the divide and conquer strategy of the reptilians. In a number of instances what seemed to have been military personnel involved in these kidnappings, debriefings and medical procedures were in actual fact shape shifting reptilians. In other cases they were mind controlled security thugs working for the reptilians.
This mindset has reached ludicrous proportions to the point where there is a lecturer and self-described abductee in the southwest who maintains that the reason why the military is kidnapping abductees is so the military can learn what the aliens are telling abductees about the connection between psychic abilities and the alien technology!
If elements of the military are already interacting at some level with the aliens why the hell would the "military" want to obtain information from abductees instead of from the aliens themselves?
Considering how the awareness of many abductees is intentionally muted by the aliens during abduction experiences, it is questionable just how much "information" they really have.
This useful idiot is routinely hoodwinked into lecturing about such ludicrous topics by "former members of government psychic warfare projects" including one individual who appears as a frequent guest on the Art Bell show to relate outrageous predictions of an apocalyptic nature which never pan out.
The spin control being woven by the reptilian hosts and the rest of the muppet show is intended to make it seem as if it is actually the human military which is in control of the Alien situation and that the human government-military faction has been duplicitous in its dealings with the benevolent ET's.

They are speaking in opposites again! Do you see how this works? This could only be plausible if enough members of the muppet show parrot the party line in true Collective Hive Consciousness fashion.
I will give one more example of the reptilian host Boylan's deceitfulness. The latter entity had made light of some of my comments in my paper "Grand Strategy of the Reptilians." In it I stated for the record that the reptilians promote substance abuse amongst abductees in order to better control and manipulate them.
The entity quoted that statement and then sent out an e-mail describing my comment as "lunacy" and suggesting that I seek a twelve step program.
Question: What does the reptilian host Boylan know that the Ancient Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Native Americans, Chinese, Persians, Indians, Celts, Aborigines and countless other cultures ancient and modern don't know?
The ritualistic utilization of drugs for the express purpose of establishing long term personal contact with non-human intelligences (Sorcery) is firmly embedded within the traditions of ALL of the cultures that I mentioned.
Why do you think Alcohol has been referred to for centuries as "Spirits?" Because prolonged use opens doorways, which allow discarnate entities the opportunity to enter into the auric field and physical body of the drinker! This is why truly sensitive people feel like bathing after they step into a "dive bar" for even a few minutes because of the discarnate entities clinging onto the auric fields of some of the dive bar patrons. This is why I have my "shields up" during the infrequent times I attend UFO conferences and lectures because I don't feel like having my energy drained by the parasitic entities that have attached themselves to some of the conference junkies who keep attending lectures and conferences in the forlorn hope that someone else will explain their own reality to them. If you've ever wondered why you feel exhausted or why your knees are wobbly after an abductee support group or a UFO lecture you needn't wonder anymore.
A pattern has developed over an extended period of time in which the reptilian host Boylan has consistently and persistently sought to prevent the dissemination of meaningful information to the abductee population which will reveal to those--who have the eyes to see and the ears to hear--the unsettling truth about the Reptilian overlordship of the planet Earth.
How can someone who professes to be as knowledgeable about the UFO subject as Boylan claims to be, be wrong EVERY TIME?
It is a historical fact and a matter of public record that the base reptilian perversions that Boylan had perpetrated upon female clients he had worked with in California led to the state of California revoking his Clinical Psychology license. I have personally spoken to women who were former members of his support group in Sacramento California who related to me lurid tales of his base reptilian nature. This entity has violated the sacred trust between the therapist and client.
Would anyone in their right mind seek advice and counsel about raising their children from an individual who has been guilty of sexual indiscretions upon his clients of the opposite sex?
Would anyone seek advice and counsel about relationship issues, medical issues or financial issues from someone who has been guilty of sexual indiscretions upon clients entrusted in his care?
If the answer to both of the previous questions is a resounding NO then why the hell do people countenance this reptilian host offering unsolicited advice about a subject that will literally impact countless unborn generations? Enough is enough already. The First Amendment was written for humans.

DISINFORMATION IN HISTORY

There is no better example of the proper utilization of disinformation within the context of Counterintelligence than the deception and disinformation schemes which completely fooled the Germans as to the location, the timing and the strength of the amphibious landing on the French coast of Normandy. (Operation Neptune).
The allied planners had to devise a scheme that would allow them to land over one hundred and forty thousand men and thousands of vehicles on a relatively narrow strip of beach from which the allied soldiers could extend their lodgement further inland without major interference from large formations of German forces for as long as possible.
There were two major aspects to the allied strategic deception plan. The first was known as Fortitude and the second was known as Bodyguard. Fortitude North involved allied deception schemes meant to pin down hundreds of thousands of German troops in Scandinavia. Fortitude South was concerned with deception operations in France and was designed to pin down the German Fifteenth Army in the Pas de Calais region directly opposite the cliffs of Dover in England so it couldn't be used to disrupt the amphibious landing in Normandy further to the west.
It was also imperative that the German Panzer (Armoured) Divisions which were the strategic reserve of the German forces in France, be kept away from the lodgement area. There were similar operations in the mediterranean and the Balkans designed to pin down large numbers of German troops in those regions.
It is the Fortitude South deception plan and associated deception operations known as Bodyguard which are of primary concern to us. I will draw parallels between the latter operations and what is going on today within the UFO Research Community. It is my intention to encourage the reader as much as possible to think like an operative because the lives of unborn generations may depend on it.
The greatest military secret of the Second World War was NOT the Manhattan Project. NKVD Chief Beria had his moles burrowed deeply into the Atom Bomb project from the start. It didn't help that Harry Hopkins, President Roosevelt's right hand man and the power behind the Lend Lease program personally ordered the trafficking of uranium and other necessities for atom bomb production through a lend lease airbase in Montana to the Soviet Union. This is a historical fact.
Neither was Ultra, the decoding of German and Japanese ciphers the greatest secret of the Second World War. The greatest secret was the timing and exact location of the expected Allied invasion of Western Europe.
It was a certainty that the allies would invade Western Europe in order to wrest the continent from the grasp of the Nazis. But Where? When? With how many troops?
The Allies knew that they only hope they had was to mislead the Germans as to the exact time, location and strength of their inevitable invasion in order to gain for themselves the necessary to time to strengthen, expand and ultimately to break out of their lodgement area on the coast of France.
The Germans were desperately seeking to determine the intentions and the capabilities of the Allies. In wartime that translates to knowing the enemy's Order of Battle. This means identifying to the fullest extent possible the various units and formations, both large and small which make up the enemy's forces in the field.
Remember the points I made about Intelligence, Counterintellignce and Spiritual Warfare involving a battle over the mind because they all come into play as far as Disinformation is concerned.
During the early part of the war Britain's MI5 (Counterintelligence and Security) had captured a number of German agents within the United Kingdom. These agents were of various European nationalities. They were given a choice: Either work under the control of MI5 or be hanged as spies. Many of these agents availed themselves of the opportunity to avoid the hangman's noose.
Those who had been "turned" in this fashion were placed under the strict supervision of a controller who provided the agents with scripts with which to transmit their coded messages back to their German controllers with misleading information or "Disinformation" (a term coined by the Russians). It was through this system that MI5 effectively controlled and ran the German Espionage network in the United Kingdom. This became known as the "Double Cross System." The branch of MI5 which ran this operation was known as the Twenty Committee (XX) or Double Cross Committee. The Germans ran a similar operation in Holland at the expense of the British Special Operations Executive (SOE) called Operation North Pole. The Germans referred to this kind of operation as a "Funkspiel" or a Radio Game. As the reader will see, it was a very apt description.
The German Abwehr (German Intelligence) was aware of the possibility of their agents being "turned" in this fashion and had trained their agents to include certain predetermined "errors" in grammar or punctuation at specific parts of their text to assure themselves that the operative was not transmitting under duress or sending misleading information. Moreover, every single morse telegraphist has a unique style of transmitting known as their "Fist." Experienced German controllers would immediately detect an imposter transmitting in the place of the real agent.
Likewise, German controllers would become suspicious if their agent who worked in the Foreign Office, started supplying information that was unobtainable from the standpoint of someone who actually worked in the Foreign Office. It had to be information that related directly to the agents type of employment and immediate environment.
Once the Double Cross Committee had successfully turned an agent, they would begin the painstaking and tedious process of establishing the "credentials" or the "bona fides" of their double-crosser.
The credibility of the turned double agents are established over a period of years by having them send relatively unimportant or dated information which can be confirmed and verified by independant sources the Germans have i.e. information about merchant or warships having recently been in a particular port, the identity of senior allied officers, the construction of certain airfields which German airplanes will eventually conduct photoreconnaisance at and so on and so forth.

ET's ESTABLISH THEIR CREDIBILITY

All these things must be kept in mind when trying to sort out all the data that is coming in from all quarters regarding the UFO subject. There are no such controls or precautions taken as far as ascertaining the quality or sources of information. The sheer volume of data rolling in from unidentified or highly dubious sources within the New Age-muppet community is itself indicative of an attempt by the reptilians to flood the minds of interested people with highly misleading or doctored information via their "Channelers," "Light Workers," "Spirit Guides." ad nauseum.
This is why it is imperative that an abductee become a student of the real abduction syndrome. Since the reptilians and their gray workers have an extraordinary influence over the lives of the abductees, it is childs play for them to arrange meetings between people (the alien love bite for example) and to arrange circumstances and events to mold individuals into predetermined roles such as abduction researchers, New Age metaphysicists and the like. (Barbare Bartholic has documented numerous cases in which abductees were told as children that they would eventually write books about their experiences and help to raise the spiritual consciousness of the human race.)
All the while the "credentials" of their spirit guides or alien benefactors is constantly reinforced within the mind of the muppet to be. Since they are the ones who created many of the situations and experiences in the abductees life in the first place, it is not surprising that they would "remind" the abductee about meeting a particular person while skiing in Aspen for example, or about how their "wise guidance" prevented the future muppet from a serious accident back in 1972. At first blush, this is information that only the abductee being thus manipulated can know about.
"Spontaneous Healings" may even be utilized by the aliens as an apparent measure of the relative importance the abductee holds in the alien's scheme of things. Of course the aliens will eventually claim credit for the healing of the malady they created in the first place. The muppet is then told that his healing was necessary in order for him or her to do their part in some future role involving the spiritual evolution of mankind.
Sexual favors have also been utilized. I know personally a guy in California who has been kept celibate by the aliens for nearly the last ten years on Earth. Why? Because they allow him to seduce comatose and incoherent female abductees on board their spaceships. These women are literally lined up on the floor for him. Every now and then they take him on board merely to tell him how important he is and show him technology. The latter experiences are allowed to remain in his conscious memory to inflate his own ego.
He has stalked female abductees , constantly telephoning them and driving around their neighborhoods at night. These are women he's met at abductee support groups and at lectures. (It’s not uncommon for attractive female abductees to have a problem with manipulated males becoming obsessed with them.)
The last time I saw this guy was at a UFO conference in Los Angeles a few years back and it took every bit of restraint I had in me not to beat him to a pulp in front of all the nice people. It would have been done in order to "raise his vibrations" of course.
All of this instills in the mind of the muppet a grandiose impression about their own self-importance, especially if they are not getting this kind of recognition or validation in the "real world."
Likewise, all of this metaphysical new age UFO related information serves as the literary version of what I call "MTV Programming." MTV programming is that type of television eye sore which consist of having countless unrelated images randomly juxtaposed and flashed in lightning sequence across the television screen which ultimately serves to fragment the conscious awareness of the viewer if they subject themselves to this type of entertainment (or entrainment) for too long.
The long term effect of New Age Metaphysical thought upon the conscious and subconscious mind of those within the muppet show is exactly the same, because they spend all there waking hours dwelling on metaphysical abstractions and philosophies instead of what’s going on in the real physical world,- thus losing what the military fighter pilots refer to as "situational awareness." They become lost in a spiritual haze of their own making.
Remember: You are who you associate with. When I first moved to San Diego I was excited about the prospect of beginning life anew and openly talking about my experiences with like -minded individuals. Unfortunately the whole southwest is polluted with these New Age la dee dahs and I wound up becoming a part of a "contactee support group" run by an imbecile who named himself after a lost continent. Ironically one that imploded upon itself through sheer negativity.
It wasn't too long before I started talking about the "Spiritual" aspects of the abduction phenomenon. Understand that even then my conscious memory contained such experiences as a frightening sexual encounter with a hideous female alien hybrid, "flexing exercises" in which my chakras were activated and my energy siphoned by the aliens, a Grey looking out of my television screen and zapping my mind with energy, being pulled through my bedroom ceiling in full waking consciousness twice up into a spaceship etc etc etc. And yet I was blowing smoke about "Spirituality." It simply doesn't follow that to have these types of experiences necessarily means that they are of a spiritual nature. That’s as fallacious an argument as me standing in a garage and proclaiming that I'm an automobile. It simply doesn't follow.
The only spirituality that I derived from these experiences is when I went and sought guidance from the divinity that resides within and associated with warm hearted and loving individuals who have a much better grasp of this subject than I did such as Barbara Bartholic.
By now the reader should realize that there are significant parallels between disinformation practiced by the military and that practiced by the aliens.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/Dial http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/march1.html​

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This is from the Movie "Pote tin Kyriaki" ("Never on Sunday") 1960. La vida (life) has a way of spilling out into everything when we have a heart of an angel.

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Synopsis for
Never on Sunday (1960)
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In Piraeus, the port city of Athens, Greece, a free-spirited woman named Ilya (Melina Mercouri) is the most popular with all the men because she is a prostitute who isn't only interested in the highest-paying client.She never sets a price, and she must like the man before she will go with him. A young philosophical intellectual Homer Thrace (Jules Dassin) arrives from America in search of the truth behind the fall of the greatness of ancient Greece when Plato and Aristotle lived. He is introduced to Ilya by his friend the Captain (Mitsos Ligizos) in the local taverna as she meets and dances with her male friends/clients. Homer is immediately smitten by Ilya and her spirit and - when he sees her leave with an English sailor after negotiating a price for the evening - equally horrified by her lifestyle. There is also a subplot regarding the other prostitutes, who admire Ilya for her freedom; however a local pimp named No Face (Alexis Salomos) keeps the women in high-priced apartments and isolated so they don't "get ideas".
Homer can't accept Ilya's earthy feel-good philosophy, particularly when he finds that she has made up her own happy endings for the classical Greek tragedies, and refuses to accept the real plots even when she sees them performed at the annual festival. "A whore can't be happy, a whorish world can't be happy!" Homer exclaims. He believes that if he can show Ilya the cultural side of living for two weeks she will leave prostitution for a better life. Since Ilya cannot go for two weeks without a steady income, Homer pays her handsomely in return for her agreement to study the great art and philosophy of the world.
She agrees partly because she is beginning to fall for one of her clients, a handsome half-Italian named Tonio (Giorgos Foundas) who is sincerely in love with her. Little does she know that No Face offers Homer a large amount of money to complete his task. The two weeks is a long affair in which Ilya endures her agreement to study instead of her regular activity, especially missing her Sundays when she has traditionally kept Open House for all her friends. Then her friend Despo (Despo Diamantidou), a prostitute who lives in one of No Face's apartments, discovers the source of Homer's educational fund and tells Ilya, and the experiment is over. Ilya furiously turns on Homer, then leads the other girls in a united revolt just as the Navy fleet comes into port; they blockade themselves inside the apartment block and throw mattresses and bedding down onto the heads of the frustrated sailors. They're jailed, and No Face's attorney arrives to bargain with them. The women hold the cards, and a satisfactory agreement is reached.
Ilya returns to the taverna, where Homer has created a crisis by telling Taki, the virtuoso bouzouki player, that he's not a true musician because he can't read music. Taki has locked himself in the bathroom, but on the suggestion of one of the others, Ilya asks him through the door if the birds can read music. If they can't, should they stop singing? Taki comes out, happy to play again, and everyone joins in joyful dancing. Homer, a little drunk, admits to Ilya in front of all the others that he's wanted her since the first time he saw her. "Oh, Homer, why didn't you say?" she wonders. But Tonio intervenes. Sweeping her up in his arms, he cries, "It's too late!" and carries her out into the night. The Captain tells Homer that with love, anything is possible. Soon Homer, sadder but much wiser, is leaving for home. His ship pulls away from the pier, and he watches as Ilya and her friends dive into the water and wave a farewell, just as they'd greeted him at the beginning of the film.

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True Beauty from Days of the Past!
Wahre Schönheit der vergangenen Tage!

(105) Jesus said, "He who knows the father and the mother will be called the son of a harlot." (Gospel of Thomas - Lambdin)





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• Post n°112

Re: The Factuals versus the Nabs

Sanicle on Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:35 am
[2:56:13 PM] Shiloh: I posted this because the dragon sex is described as the human-ET interaction
[2:56:26 PM] Sirius 17: they are talking about demonic possession here as if it is these reptilian beings lol
[2:56:29 PM] Shiloh: And this is just what we feel from the Logos
[2:56:53 PM] Shiloh: Cosmic sexuality IS like a possession dear
[2:56:59 PM] Sirius 17: yes i know
[2:57:03 PM] Shiloh: It is Abba desiring Baab
[2:57:17 PM] Shiloh: Humans cannot process this energy
[2:57:27 PM] Sirius 17: nope
[2:57:32 PM] Shiloh: Logos possession is 'eating the lion'
[2:57:49 PM] Sirius 17: yes and the true 'reptilian' brain
[2:57:53 PM] Sirius 17: dragon brain
[2:57:58 PM] Sirius 17: idiots lol

Well, that about sums up where you two stand, doesn't it. What good little followers of your Drakonian overlords you are.

I think I once commented that I thought you were intelligent Shiloh. I rescind that comment. I've also ruled out that you have any compassion at all for the genuine suffering others on this planet may be enduring thanks to your overlords. LOL indeed.

Bye.

We create boundaries all around us on every level to protect ourselves and maintain control.
When based on fear, the boundaries can become prisons for our Soul
Beliefs can become a mental prison if too strictly held to, shutting out the Light

We are essentially 'Yes' (invites experience) spirits exploring the pros and cons of a 'No' (repels, sets boundaries,3D) reality. Thus the conflicts.
Just think of it as a long holiday in an adventure park. We are not our bodies.​

 

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• Post n°113

Re: The Factuals versus the Nabs

Raven on Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:12 am

[12:25 PM-Tuesday, July 8th, 2014]Anubis Whynot:
[3:15:38 AM] Sirius 17:

"Well, that about sums up where you two stand, doesn't it. What good little followers of your Drakonian overlords you are.
I think I once commented that I thought you were intelligent Shiloh. I rescind that comment. I've also ruled out that you have any compassion at all for the genuine suffering others on this planet may be enduring thanks to your overlords. LOL indeed.
Bye."


[3:15:48 AM-Wednesday, july 9th, 2014 +10UCT] Sirius 17: "It will stir those nabsers up." well yeah Tony, lol
[3:16:01 AM] Sirius 17: that was from Sanicle btw
[3:20:03 AM] Sirius 17: she is now convinced we are indeed possessed by 'evil reptilian' overlords lol
[3:20:55 AM] Sirius 17: so once again the Logos has weeded out another fake
[3:21:10 AM] Sirius 17: what happened to all her luv n light about the dragon race?
[3:21:17 AM] Sirius 17: gone up in the smoke of her own mind burning
[3:22:07 AM] Sirius 17: I just love how she takes our convos out of context
[3:22:18 AM] Sirius 17: and then takes it personal
[3:22:22 AM] Sirius 17: all too familar
[3:26:54 AM] Sirius 17: how dare we call Jesus the Serpent....tsk tsk
[3:27:32 AM] Sirius 17: well it was a nice experiment anyhow, too bad they can't think any deeper at moa
[3:28:19 AM] Sirius 17: it is like their thinking is on a cliff edge over hanging a deep blue sea but they are afraid to jump I guess
[3:28:58 AM] Sirius 17: oh wait, it is more like they 'know better'....right
[3:31:45 AM] Sirius 17:

LOVE BONDINGS AND OBSESSIONS
"The reptilians and their gray vassals promote love obsessions and other emotional dramas between abductees beginning at a very early age. Barbara Bartholic has documented dozens of such cases as has her protégé Eve Frances Lorgen. Barbara and Eve have collaborated on a book that will blow the lid off the whole Love Obsession syndrome. This information is not for the squeamish. This aspect of the syndrome is much more pervasive amongst abductees than previously realized."

[3:31:49 AM] Sirius 17: indeed!!
[3:32:15 AM] Sirius 17: this thing is a hilarious read
[3:32:51 AM] Sirius 17: and Sanicle believes this crap? wow
[3:33:14 AM] Sirius 17: I guess love bonding is evil Tony
[3:33:47 AM] Sirius 17: how can someone reading this not see how backwards this is
[3:38:21 AM] Sirius 17:

Unless you have gone through the emotional anguish and upheaval of the "Alien Love Bite" (a term coined by a Bay Area abductee) then you are not qualified to even venture an opinion about it. This is a fundamental aspect of the emotional and energetic harvesting of abductees.
The reptilians are masters of frequency and resonance and can shape shift at will. They have often appeared to abductees as "Nordics" or "Blondes" or "Spirit Guides" and have conveyed to them much neutralist-positivist information. Throughout history the reptilians have used the image of Nordics as a screen to carry out their nefarious activities.

[3:39:54 AM] Sirius 17: oh no, we've been bitten Tony!
[3:46:51 AM] Sirius 17:
"What salient point do women most often report regarding sexual intercourse with reptilians? They experience the most powerful full body orgasms they have ever had sometimes lasting for hours!"
[3:47:00 AM] Sirius 17: sounds terrible!!
[3:47:04 AM] Sirius 17: LOL
[3:51:30 AM] Sirius 17: if read 'carefully' one can see how the human mind here is trying to 'demonize' or monsterize the divine feminine and hence you can see much of the reason for female suppression in the world. They simply fear their own femaleness

Anubis Whynot:
<<< Raven
Have you seen my twitter, the movement is growing, the thubans are becoming more recognized, we were mentioned in a spiritual YouTube blog thismorning
@shinryudrake #blueymidnighthour
It's my radio show, tweetcast, social network platform
I want tony to lead this, but I can't contact him
That means I am leading I persume, I have to assume the helm of this Thuban ship, if only for a while
I see no reason to squabble over who leads thuban, that's stupid and besides we all know it's tony
BUT I am bringing about gnosis to the world, writing what I experience, bringing word into reason, enlightening all
I want you to be a part of it
We sit at a round table like JT would always say, all are equal in the oroboros
I am just currently the head to encircle more knowledge, chasing his tail, Shinryu Lord of Dragons
I want you to take me seriously here raven, I know you think I don't know anything or this is some game to me but like I always say, this is not a game, it was never a game, it is a journey
=)
And, as a Thuban to another Thuban, we stand as equals upon the precipice, we are the new powers the be, far above the illuminati templars rosicrucians and masons, I will make it so, and this is not psychosis
Ether you and tony come with me or sit and spectate as I right the world into reason

[11:00:07 AM] Sirius 17: [8:23 AM] Anubis Whynot:
<<< I want you to take me seriously here raven, I know you think I don't know anything or this is some game to me but like I always say, this is not a game, it was never a game, it is a journey
no idea why he thinks this of me
[11:00:59 AM] Sirius 17: I really don't even wish to respond to him, he doesn't need my approval
[11:01:04 AM] Sirius 17: or yours
[11:01:10 AM] Sirius 17: I guess he has not figured that out yet
[11:07:11 AM] Allisiam: Anubis Whynot, I wish you well in your endeavors and can only offer my support. I am not interested in twitter or being famous so go for it. As far as Tony is concerned, while I cannot answer for him, I think he would feel the same. He no longer has much to comment on. Everything is in the archives on spruz if people are interested and they can look there, but as you know most of it is TLTR of course.

[6:05:46 PM] Allisiam: [3:23 PM] Anubis Whynot:
<<< I want you to take me seriously here raven, I know you think I don't know anything or this is some game to me but like I always say, this is not a game, it was never a game, it is a journeyI have always taken you seriously and I am offended you would think otherwise.
[6:05:59 PM] Anubis Whynot: Thank you raven, it is an honor to take the wheel of this round table
[6:08:23 PM] Anubis Whynot: Yes, I am serious about those words raven, sometimes you don't think I know what I'm talking about, I trained apart from the dragons for a while
Thank you raven, it is an honor to take the wheel of this round table
Yes, I am serious about those words raven, sometimes you don't think I know what I'm talking about, I trained apart from the dragons for a while
I have no further comment to make to many, because i do NOT wish to argue with anyone any longer.
[11:12:05 AM] Sirius 17: He does not understand that the Thuban material is not mine or ours but freeware and is the from the Logos
[1:46:07 PM] Sirius 17: [12:25 PM] Anubis Whynot:

<<< 09-07-2014: THE AMBASSADOR'S MESSAGE OF PEACE TO …:
View: http://youtu.be/czC7wZR6NjU


[1:46:27 PM] Sirius 17:
Published on Jul 8, 2014

This conversation starts out with plans to fund worthwhile humanitarian projects worldwide; then the Ambassador for the Dragon Family gives a message of peace to the world. He calls on people within the different religions to start following their prophets and coming from a place of love. Bear in mind that he has studied Judaism, Christianity and Islam intensively. His message is one we need to hear and follow if we are to create the peaceful planet we long for and clean up the mess we have created. As always, he makes it clear that the Dragon Family is waging a peaceful war on ignorance and financial tyranny. It that latter realm, they are behind the new banking system being created by the BRICS nations.

[1:46:34 PM] Sirius 17: this is in the video commentary
[1:52:08 PM] Sirius 17: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbNWrF8WK3TnOz2wKLx1N9A
[1:52:18 PM] Sirius 17: this is Anubis Whynot's youtube channel I guess
[1:52:40 PM] Sirius 17: why he is following this guy and this video is beyond me
[1:52:51 PM] Sirius 17: but hey, what do we know
[1:53:23 PM] Sirius 17: anyhow, just sharing what he is sharing with me on my 1-1
[1:53:39 PM] Sirius 17: I have not said anything since what I pasted above nor will I
[1:53:44 PM] Sirius 17: i don't have time for this shi20
[2:51:03 PM] Sirius 17:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Ndin-Gcjs
this is really good btw

[4:17:54 PM] Sirius 17: oh just checking the news, congrats to Germany for beating Brazil, woot woot
[9:14:57 PM] Shiloh: yes I saved sanicle's reply
[9:15:39 PM] Shiloh: Like Brook it is the human ego that takes every word personal, even looking for words to support their nebulous understandings, even wit
[9:16:05 PM] Shiloh: No sense of humor or real intelligence of discernment there
[9:16:15 PM] Shiloh:'human minded idiots' or nabs morons is a fitting label after all
[9:16:34 PM] Shiloh: Yes, Anubis Whynot - I dont know what to make of it
[9:16:49 PM] Shiloh: i will reply to him, saying that you said it correctly
[9:24:51 PM] Shiloh:

09-07-2014: THE AMBASSADOR'S MESSAGE OF PEACE TO …:

View: http://youtu.be/czC7wZR6NjU

[9:24:10 PM] Shiloh: [11:07 AM] Sirius 17:

<<< Allisiam: Anubis Whynot, I wish you well in your endeavors and can only offer my support. I am not interested in twitter or being famous so go for it. As far as Tony is concerned, while I cannot answer for him, I think he would feel the same. He no longer has much to comment on. Everything is in the archives on spruz if people are interested and they can look there, but as you know most of it is TLTR of course.
xxx

This is my position Anubis W. About July 3rd my agency of being 'asked' to share information sort of ended. Like Raven said, I simply have little more to say to ANY human mindedness. The purpose of Thuban was or is to create a new blueprint and a rewriting of the ageold mistranslations of scripture codes and blend them in reinterpretion with the only one true 'world religion' or 'spiritual movement', which is a global science, destined to evolve to visit the stars. This synthesis is on the forums for free and accessible to anyone with the inclination to so so and in access to the web. I do support your attempt as a dragon peacemaker of course, but also must warn you not to 'follow' any gurus nor desire to become one. And so as little Anubis having grown up, you can always count on Raven's and my support in regards to specific information as attuned to Thuban, say scientific links or scripture codes. But I am no longer interested in entering in debates with humans, who more often than not 'have their own belief systems' and cosmologies, which they adhere to and support.

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• Post n°114

Re: The Factuals versus the Nabs

Aquaries1111 on Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:33 pm
Tony Blue aka Raven wrote:

(105) Jesus said, "He who knows the father and the mother will be called the son of a harlot." (Gospel of Thomas - Lambdin)

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There is something about the pic above of the beautiful dark haired Lady that is admiring the Dragons. I wonder where I have seen her before? JT and BS say: Sexy is Back and you can't touch this.

Love them Dragons!


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Re: The Factuals versus the Nabs

Raven on Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:33 am

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1. Humanity's destiny is to emerge into and to engage with a Greater Community of intelligent life in the Universe.
2. Contact with other forms of intelligent life represents the greatest threshold that humanity has ever faced. The results of this Contact will determine humanity's future for generations to come. This Contact is happening now.
3. Humanity is unprepared for Contact. Researchers are still unable to clearly see who is visiting our world and why. Governments are not revealing what they know, and most people are still in denial that this phenomenon is even occurring.
4. Because of this lack of preparation, humanity's true allies sent representatives to a location near Earth to observe the extraterrestrial presence and activities within our world. The Allies of Humanity Briefings represent their report.
5. The Briefings reveal that our world is undergoing an extraterrestrial Intervention by forces that, as demonstrated by their actions, are here to subvert human authority and to integrate into human societies for their own advantage. These forces represent non-military organizations that are here to seek human and biological resources. The Allies refer to these forces as the "Collectives." The Collectives do not value human freedom.
6. Because the Intervention is being carried out by small groups of intervening forces, it must rely primarily upon deception and persuasion to achieve its goals. The Allies Briefings describe in detail how this is being accomplished and what we must do to stop it.
7. This extraterrestrial Intervention is being focused in four arenas::
• It is influencing individuals in positions of power and authority to cooperate with the Intervention through the promise of greater wealth, power & technology
• It is creating hidden establishments in the world from which the Intervention can exert its influence in the Mental Environment, seeking to make people everywhere open and compliant to its will through a "Pacification Program"
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Examples of Disinformation Sites – Part 3 – "Allies of Humanity"

http://goldenageofgaia.com/2010/05/01/examples-of-disinformation-sites-part-3-allies-of-humanity/

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Category: Accountability, Bad Aliens, Cover-ups, Disinformation, Extraterrestrials, Galactic Federation, Illuminati, UFO Cover-up Tags: Allies of Humanity, Bad Aliens, disinformation, Evil Extraterrestrials, Marshall Vian Summers


This group is the work of Marshal Vians Summers.
Summers bills himself as the “one messenger of God.” His biography says nothing about himself in a lot of words, except that he spent a great deal of time allegedly alone in nature.
Here is a page from Summers’ site if you want to read more of his case.
http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/the-ethics-of-contact.php


Its purpose appears to be to debunk and marginalize the work of sincere extraterrestrials and the spiritual hierarchy behind the events of 2012, endeavoring to make theirs an uphill battle.
Summers and the Allies for Humanity issued The Declaration of Human Sovereignty, found at http://www.humansovereignty.org/


I tell myself some New World Order (NWO) hack sat down with The Declaration of Independence in one hand and memos of everything the NWO did to win global financial, military, and social domination of the planet in the other.
If I’m correct, then people primarily responsible for the erosion of American civil rights and much harm done to America and the world now wrap themselves in the mantle of America’s best traditions and present themselves as the defenders of America and its freedoms. If so, it’s ironic.
Another irony for me is that I actually looked hard for this document around a year ago and couldn’t find it. I used to be a human-rights decision-maker in Canada, a member of a refugee tribunal.


I love the Declaration of Independence and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and, before I read Summers, was thrilled that someone was at work on a similar document for the New Age. In the end, someone asked me to comment on the document and directed me to it.


I was stunned by what I saw.


The work the document does is to attempt to persuade the people of Earth to leave government in the hands of its current administrators, who are represented as their bulwark against the evil ETs. It doesn’t say anything about the American government’s past relationship with the Anunnaki and the little Greys (Zeta Reticulans), in which the Anunnaki figured as Earth’s controllers and the Greys gave the U.S. government ET technology in return for the right to abduct and experiment on people.
It does not say anything about the hostile actions the American government has taken toward spacecraft, trying to shoot them down.
It doesn’t say anything about where the American taxpayer’s money has been going in the last sixty years – towards a secret space program with bases as far away as Mars, highly-sophisticated assassination weapons, schools that teach fascist terrorists how to overthrow democratic regimes, etc.
Instead, it lays the responsibility for all ill at the feet of a fleet of galactic humans who are here to overturn this dark cabal and restore to the people abundance, peace, and harmony.


I will reproduce a section of the document, which shows the NWO making the ETs out to be the villain in the piece. In another post I analyze the document. (1)
Notice one trick that the NWO has used on us for years, with really good effect: to blame the opposition for dirty tricks they invented and use themselves. Most of the allegations that Summers makes of the ETs are untrue. But they are certainly allegations that could be made against the Illuminati.
(snip)


“Although the Earth has undergone a long history of extraterrestrial visitation, the current situation is that the People of Earth are now suffering the effects of a global extraterrestrial intervention into human affairs. This intervention employs a strategy of deception, manipulation, and exploitation, the goal of which is control over humanity, which will result in the loss of human freedom and self-determination. It is now the sacred right and duty of the People of Earth to oppose, resist, and repel this extraterrestrial intervention, to declare and defend our sovereignty, our freedom, and our independence from all extraterrestrial forces.


“Let these violations be considered by those supporting the cause of freedom throughout the Greater Community:

(1) Intervening extraterrestrial forces have refused to openly disclose and reveal the nature and intent of their activities on and around Earth. This extraterrestrial presence is clandestine, covert, uninvited, and unapproved by the People of Earth. These extraterrestrial forces have concealed their own identity, their political or economic alliances and allegiances, as well as the authorities and powers which they serve.
(2) As is becoming increasingly apparent from their actions, extraterrestrial forces intend to exploit the Earth, its resources, and its people, and are engaged in a systematic program of colonizing humanity into a subservient client state to be ruled by agents of these extraterrestrial forces. The extraterrestrial intervention and occupation seeks commercial gain, economic power, and the strategic advantage offered by this world in relation to other worlds.
(3) Extraterrestrial forces have repeatedly and with impunity violated national and international laws of the Earth’s people. These offenses, which still continue today, have included violation of restricted airspace; abduction and transportation of humans without their consent; murder, rape, torture, sexual abuse, interbreeding with humans, and cruel experimentation; theft and trade of human biological and genetic materials; theft and trade of Earth’s natural resources; covert mental and psychological influence; mutilation of humans and animals; tampering with and disabling of military defense systems; and clandestine infiltration into human society.
(4) Extraterrestrial forces have secretly negotiated treaties and agreements with human individuals and groups, without the informed consent of the People of Earth.
(5) Extraterrestrial forces have systematically attempted to persuade and mislead humans through extending false hopes and promises of wealth, power, and protection; rescue from planetary catastrophe; membership in a “galactic federation”; and spiritual salvation and enlightenment.
(6) Extraterrestrial forces have exploited and exacerbated human conflicts to serve their own ends.
(7) Extraterrestrial forces have been disempowering humanity by leading us to believe that we can only survive with their help and their advanced technology, thus fostering our complete dependence upon them and denying our ability to ensure our own survival.”
(snip)
http://www.humansovereignty.org/

Footnotes
(1) See “More on the ‘Allies of Humanity’ – 1/2″ at http://goldenageofgaia.com/nwo-essays/more-on-the-allies-of-humanity-12/ and “2/2″ at http://goldenageofgaia.com/nwo-essays/more-on-the-allies-of-humanity-22/.

Posted by Steve Beckow on May 1, 2010 / Accountability, Bad Aliens, Cover-ups, Disinformation, Extraterrestrials, Galactic Federation, Illuminati, UFO Cover-up / 2 Comments
Tags: Allies of Humanity, Bad Aliens, disinformation, Evil Extraterrestrials, Marshall Vian Summers



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Peacemaker09
8:32 pm on September 14, 2010

Concerning dis-information
Any person, thought or action based upon a lie, will not stand eventually, the truth will come to light, and it shall be revealed for what it is.
Many religions have taught the coming of Christ in a rapture, but personally, I believe he is already here with me. He is the spirit that guides my spirit in truth. He has an invisible Kingdom, God’s Kingdom, where all who love the light can enter in and become one with him in spirit before the creator
We are the temples of God. Therefore we need no one to teach us, as he is our spirit guide.
I hope you’re ok with my comments. I am not speaking these things to offend anyone in the area where they make contact with their creator.
I believe we are all at different levels of growth, but soon we will come to a common consciousness with him.
Peacemaker 09

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Steve Beckow
8:36 pm on September 14, 2010
I’m fine with them, Peacemaker. Enthuse away. This is the place for it.
Namaste,
Steve



This 'Discosure Project' website and you tube channel has hijacked the image and label of Dr. Steven Greer in superposing his photograph onto its website and publications as represented in the above. Greer's associated works and endeavours are fundamentally opposed to the 'ideas' and data bases (of disclosure disinformation) as per the links provided and including Marshall Vian Summers, 'The Messenger' of a 'New Message from God' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Vian_Summers and the MILABS group, incorporating James Bartley. The latter who considers Steven Greer to be a 'reptilian host' aka possessed in some form of Bartley's mental self delusions. The inclusion of Richard Dolan, whose work and cosmology regarding the ufo phenomenon and related subject matters is based on a rational and omni-scientific approach and is compatible with Greer's work, further serves to 'confuse' the deeper agendas with respect to the quarantined planet of the humans.

Perhaps the shift of priorities regarding Steven Greer has something to do with the above mentioned 'hijacking'!


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The 'critique' of Steve Beckow then illustrates not only the questionable information sources of M.V. Summers with a rational discourse, but also shows how various 'nabs sources' view each others work. Whilst supporting Beckow's critique of 'Allies of Humanity', I certainly do not endorse Steve Beckow's work and information sharing in general.

The isolation of the planet of the humans with respect to the greater encompassing universe has indeed ended, but as a consequence of the PRESENCE of the Cosmic Heirloom and cosmic inheritance of the eons and not due to a very human minded usurpation of the agenda of the 'Elders of the Realms' aka the 'Ancient Ones of the Creation' and a manifestation which represents a 'Shift in Times' in a Dragon Made Armageddon of a 'Omega King' of the 'Dream Dream' 'Alpha Bride' dreamt by the Logos of all worlds in its symbol or archetype of the KingQueen or universal Cosmic Twin JCCJ.

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(90) Jesus said, "Come unto me, for my yoke is easy and my lordship is mild, and you will find repose for yourselves." (Gospel of Thomas - Lambdin)

(21) Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are your disciples like?"
He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field which is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Let us have back our field.' They (will) undress in their presence in order to let them have back their field and to give it back to them. Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his house of his domain to carry away his goods. You, then, be on your guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When the grain ripened, he came quickly with his sickle in his hand and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

(88) Jesus said, "The angels and the prophets will come to you and give to you those things you (already) have. And you too, give them those things which you have, and say to yourselves, 'When will they come and take what is theirs?'"

(50) Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where did you come from?', say to them, 'We came from the light, the place where the light came into being on its own accord and established itself and became manifest through their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?', say, 'We are its children, we are the elect of the living father.' If they ask you, 'What is the sign of your father in you?', say to them, 'It is movement and repose.'"

(51) His disciples said to him, "When will the repose of the dead come about, and when will the new world come?"
He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it."

(59) Jesus said, "Take heed of the living one while you are alive, lest you die and seek to see him and be unable to do so."

(60) <They saw> a Samaritan carrying a lamb on his way to Judea. He said to his disciples, "That man is round about the lamb."
They said to him, "So that he may kill it and eat it."
He said to them, "While it is alive, he will not eat it, but only when he has killed it and it has become a corpse."
They said to him, "He cannot do so otherwise."
He said to them, "You too, look for a place for yourself within repose, lest you become a corpse and be eaten."

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

(7) Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man."

(70) Jesus said, "That which you have will save you if you bring it forth from yourselves. That which you do not have within you will kill you if you do not have it within you."

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• Post n°116

Re: The Factuals versus the Nabs

mudra on Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:51 pm

Hope you don't mind me sharing this here friends.



Simple as I it.



"We cannot afford the still-birth of new ideas that lack the life force that comes from the depths. We are called to return to the root of our being where the sacred is born. Then, standing in both the inner and outer worlds, we will find our self to be part of the momentous synchronicity of life giving birth to itself."

—Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee



Love from me
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Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
~~ Buddha ~~



In the deep listening and quiet stillness of the soul- all ways will be made clear to you in time. ​

 

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• Post n°117

Re: The Factuals versus the Nabs

Raven on Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:32 am
mudra wrote:

Hope you don't mind me sharing this here friends.



Simple as I it.



"We cannot afford the still-birth of new ideas that lack the life force that comes from the depths. We are called to return to the root of our being where the sacred is born. Then, standing in both the inner and outer worlds, we will find our self to be part of the momentous synchronicity of life giving birth to itself."

—Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee



Love from me
mudra

Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
~~ Buddha ~~



In the deep listening and quiet stillness of the soul- all ways will be made clear to you in time. ​

Yes nice find Mudra. It is very much about 'changing a cosmic script' which has for so long been co-authored rather unsatisfactorily in the perspective of the Cosmic Elders by the human descendents and inheritors of the starhuman heirlooms prepared by somewhat super terrestrial ancestors and progenitors.

Speaking further about the deceptions going on, you might remember this video from my recent FB post.

Gospel of Thomas - Lambdin

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

View: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=652762601448822&set=vb.100001452638393&type=3

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Snip^^

[3:38:02 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[3:38:18 PM] Sirius 17: i have no faith in humans
[3:38:29 PM] Sirius 17: just look at that video i linked on fb
[3:38:38 PM] Sirius 17: gun worshipers
[3:38:43 PM] Sirius 17: all but my aunt and Mudra
[3:41:25 PM] Shiloh: 13 years old and subject to the human know it all
[3:41:38 PM] Shiloh: The true obscenity
[3:43:02 PM] Shiloh:

Mudra wrote: future generation ? Facepalm
July 9 at 2

Bluesword Angel wrote: Good for her, All kids should have basic training for their Country,I see no wrong in this...

..
Sirius 17 wrote: I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
Albert Einstein

[3:43:06 PM] Shiloh: amazing
[3:43:21 PM] Shiloh: What a patriot
[3:44:25 PM] Sirius 17: sick shit huh

Sirius 17 wrote: Lucy and Pam it isn't about the ability to handle guns or not. This 13 year old girl is being trained basically for a full military combat situation, my question is why? Are we so afraid of each other now in the world that this kind gun worship is necessary? Gun ownership for hunting and sporting is one thing, but this kind of gun training is at a whole other level. You do realize that is an AR-15 type automatic weapon she is wielding there, guns specifically designed to kill people, lots of people and really fast. Guns that our military use. I am sickened by the militarization of our youth and the glamorization of owning weapons that should only be carried by our military. Hell they sell pink AR-15s for hell sake to appeal to younger generation of women. I for one do not ever wish to see my daughter wielding a gun for any reason. This video is NRA propaganda totally and they want everyone to believe that we NEED a gun. Over the 4th of July weekend in Chicago 60 shootings happened. Go ask the Chicago police force if we NEED more guns and find out what they will tell you. The NRA is promoting this BS just like nuclear arms race believers and just like that it has reached a point of no return. How much protection do we all need?? I shared this video to call BS on all of it, it makes me sick all of this weapon proliferation and death!!


[3:46:01 PM] Sirius 17: did you see what i said lol
[3:50:04 PM] Shiloh: yes
[3:50:18 PM] Shiloh: But you wont be able to 'get through'
[3:50:07 PM] Sirius 17: i know
[3:50:12 PM] Sirius 17: but i had to say it anyhow
[3:50:17 PM] Shiloh: So why bother?
[3:50:23 PM] Shiloh: I understand
[3:50:26 PM] Sirius 17: because it made me feel better

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Isaiah 2:4 - King James Version (KJV)

4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


Isaiah 11:6-9 (KJV)

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.



Isaiah 56:10-12 - King James Version (KJV)

10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

12 Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.

Changing the Story



Published online at the Huffington Post
by
Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee​

“The only way to change the world is to change the story.”
​

We know only too well the story that defines our world today. It is a tale of consumerism and greed, sustained by the empty but enticing promise of an endless stream of “stuff” as the source of our happiness and wellbeing. We are finally coming to recognize the model of an ever-expanding economy on which that promise is predicated as an unsustainable myth, the domination of nature required to fulfill it as a desecration. All around us we are beginning to see the ravages of our culture’s whole-hearted embrace of the story: a beautiful world broken and dying, on its way to becoming a polluted wasteland.

We may even understand how this contemporary story is built upon an earlier one that took hold many centuries ago with the spread of monotheism, the story of a God who has withdrawn to heaven, to reign, apart and above, over an earth now deprived of its divinity and its natural magic. This is the story, still alive and feeding into our contemporary story, of a world in which spirit no longer lives in matter, in which the whole earth-realm of feminine power is suppressed to such a degree that it has almost been forgotten. It was and is a story of domination and patriarchal power, enshrined in the still-potent myths of the monotheistic religions.

And many of us now long for a new story, one that will restore to the earth its lost divinity and reconnect our souls to the sacred within creation, a story that will save our planet. Some have even already begun to articulate such a story: a beautiful and compelling vision of the entire universe as a single, inextricably interconnected, living whole, offering a dimension of meaning to our individual daily lives that arises from an understanding of our place in the whole.

But is this enough? How do we change the defining story of our world? Our collective culture celebrates its story of endless desires. It feeds us with its images that, though they can never nourish us, work like a drug for our minds and bodies, even as they exploit us and the earth. We have become addicts to material prosperity and the ego-centered greed that drives it. We long for a story that can give meaning to our daily lives and restore the health and beauty of our planet, but we remain caught in our tale of celebrating stuff.

Once we recognize how these stories hold us in thrall, entranced or entrapped, we can get a sense of their power. They are not just slogans created by politicians, corporations or even religions; they arise from the archetypal inner world where myths are born. We can recognize the archetypal dimension of earlier myths, the gods and goddesses of earlier eras, for example; some can see it in the more recent myth of a patriarchal, transcendent God living in a distant heaven. The archetypal power of the present myth of materialism is harder to recognize because it is deceptive as well as seductive. And yet if one looks more closely one can see the archetypes at work here too. There the patriarchal myth of the domination of nature—a primal masculine power drive. But less obvious is the way in which the dark side of the rejected feminine has caught us in her web of desires. For what is materialism but the worship of matter, which is none other than the domain of the goddess? We are more present in the archetypal world than we dare acknowledge.

And now in our quest to redeem our civilization and the planet we speak about the need for a new story, a story that returns the spirit to creation and honors the primal oneness that is the web of life. Like our current story, this new one may also be based upon an earlier story: one in which all of creation was seen as sacred, with humanity just part of the woven tapestry of life—a story still lived by many indigenous peoples. But this emerging story is also evolutionary, drawing as well on the insights of particle physics into the underlying nature of creation to express its vision of the world as an interconnected whole, in which, like the symbolic image of Indra’s net, each part influences the whole. And this new story of creation connects the smallest particle with an ever-expanding cosmos of billions of galaxies—and does so in a way that bridges science and the sacred, understanding them as expressions of the same reality.

This is a compelling story for our time. But do we recognize from where this new story arises? Are we acknowledging and honoring the inner dimension from which all such world-changing stories are born? We know the vital need for a new story, but are we seeking to change life without honoring the archetypal forces at work, the gods and goddesses that still reign in the depths of creation—without recognizing the primal world that is life’s inner source? If a story is not born from the inner world it will lack the power to effect any real change.
It will speak just to our conscious selves, the surface layer of our being, rather than engaging us from the depths. The stories of the past, the myths that shaped humanity, spoke to our individual and collective soul with the numinous and transformative power that comes from deep within. How many men have been called to battle by the archetype of the warrior or the hero? How many churches have been built on the foundation of the myth of redemption? The power of the archetypal, mythic world belongs to the river-beds of life that shape humanity.

But sadly, our present culture has distanced itself from this inner world. We are not taught to revere these underlying powers, nor do we know how to relate to them. Our contemporary consciousness hardly even knows of their existence. We live on the surface of our lives, unaware of the depths that are in fact the real determining factors. How many people when they go to the mall realize that they are worshipping on the altar of the dark goddess?

When our Christian culture banished the many gods and goddesses, and then when science declared that myths were idle fantasies, we became more trapped than we realize. The archetypal world does not disappear because we close our eyes, because we say that it does not exist. Its power is not diminished by either our ignorance or our arrogance. And yet we have forgotten how to access and work with this power. Unknowingly we have disempowered our self in a fundamental way. We have closed the door in our psyche and soul—we only look outward.

And now, when there is this vital need to rewrite the story that defines our lives, we are left with the inadequate tools of our conscious self. We do not know how to welcome the energies from the depths, to constellate the power we need to co-create a real story. We have isolated our self from the energy of life’s source we so desperately need. And so we are left stranded on the shore of our conscious self.
There is a new story waiting to be born, waiting to redeem the planet and nourish our souls. It is a story of a oneness that includes the diversity of creation in a self-sustaining whole, a story that can bring back the magic within nature that is needed to heal our damaged planet. It is a story of co-operation rather than competition or conflict. And it includes the mystery of life as well as the understanding that science can give us. It is also a new story, arising from deep within the psyche of humanity and the world soul at this moment in our and its evolution. We are not the sole creators of this story, because it is the story of life evolving, recreating itself anew, but we are needed to midwife it into existence. As with all births it needs to come from the inner to the outer world.

Only when we recognize the inner origins of this world-changing story can we participate in this birth. Only when we work together with the symbolic, archetypal world can its power and numinosity come into our existence and speak to the whole of humanity. Only then will this story be heard. We cannot afford the still-birth of new ideas that lack the life force that comes from the depths. We are called to return to the root of our being where the sacred is born. Then, standing in both the inner and outer worlds, we will find our self to be part of the momentous synchronicity of life giving birth to itself.


Thomas Berry hints at this in his talk “The Ecozoic Era” (Eleventh Annual E. F. Schumacher Lectures October 1991). He speaks of a “creative entrancement” as well as the “psychic energies needed” for transformation:
My effort here is to articulate the outlines of a new mythic form that would evoke a creative entrancement to succeed the destructive entrancement that has taken possession of the Western soul in recent centuries. We can counter one entrancement only with another, a counter-entrancement. Only thus can we evoke the vision as well as the psychic energies needed to enable the Earth community to enter successfully upon its next great creative phase.

http://www.workingwithoneness.org/articles/changing-story

 

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• Post n°118

Re: The Factuals versus the Nabs

shiloh on July 26th 2014, 2:37 pm
orthodoxymoron wrote: I think I've been doing some very dangerous speculation over the past several years -- yet I think I will continue to model a contrarian theological perspective -- not because I think I know better -- but because I think it is better to consider all of the possibilities -- especially regarding the most important subjects imaginable. I keep thinking about Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer -- where in antiquity they were all simply Interdimensional Spirits. I keep using Reptilian Terminology because I am trying to understand that hypothetical phenomenon. Therefore I am thinking of these Interdimensional Spirits as being Interdimensional Reptilians. At some point, I suspect that Michael was instrumental in the Genetic Engineering of the Human Being -- How and Why -- I know not. I further suspect that Michael became a Human Being -- and that this did not sit well with Gabriel especially. I get the feeling that Lucifer was (and is) somewhat opportunistic and renegade -- whereas Gabriel and Michael are more hardline idealistic -- but with very different philosophies of physicality and governance. Anyway, I've been thinking of Gabriel as fundamentally being Pure Draconian Reptilian -- Lucifer as Tall Grey (or Hybrid) -- and Michael as Completely Human. This doesn't mean that these three can't exist in other physicalities -- it simply indicates their possible preferences and loyalties. I sometimes think I might've had contact with one or more of them -- or at least with representatives of them. Just speculation. I get the feeling that the plan is to eliminate Human Physicality completely. I keep thinking of Michael as being the Ancient God who got overthrown and demoted after creating Humanity. I get the feeling that Gabriel is considered by most of the universe to be the new God -- with Michael being a Universal Personna non Grata. I get the feeling that Lucifer started out fighting side by side with Michael -- but saw the writing on the wall -- and switched loyalties to Gabriel -- serving Gabriel as the God of This World -- as an Agent of God-Satan to buffet Humanity. Just speculation, mind you. I have no idea if this hypothesis is even partially true. I am simply thinking in terms of Gabriel and Lucifer against Michael and Humanity. Legion, Constantine, and The Prophecy seem to have a bias in this direction -- but I am very selective regarding which aspects of these productions I actually take seriously. I'm trying to look at the Bible and the writings of Ellen White with this radical hypothesis clearly in mind. So far, it seems to work frighteningly well. I truly hope that my speculation is absolute bullshit. I HATE thinking like this -- but what am I supposed to do with an Insane World -- and even more Insane Theology??? Some day I'd love to have an off the record briefing by some sort of agent who knows the absolute truth about all of this crazy stuff. You know -- like the briefing Townsend (Martin Sheen) gave Jesse Marcel in Roswell. Skip to 1:10:00. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ib9nOfIGE Here now is a continuation of the Reptilian Interview:

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Question: First of all, you handle with a very large time scale. You claim that your primitive ancestors lived together with the dinosaurs, survived the—as you called it—artificial cataclysm and evolved then over 40 million years and your evolution was completed 10 million years ago. This sounds very unbelievable to me. Can you say something to this?
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Question: I understand. But I have another question. You've mentioned many facts about the ancient war between the aliens 65 million years ago. This happened very long before your kind became really intelligent (as far as I have understood you). Why do you know so many things about that "first war" and about the evolution of your species?

Answer: This is a good question (much better then the previous) and I have not explained it properly to you. Our knowledge about the first war comes completely from an ancient artefact, which was found around 16,000 years ago from our archeologists on the continent you call North America today. They found there a round plate with a diameter of approximately 47 of your centimetres. The plate was made of an even for us unknown magnetic material and inside the plate there was another smaller crystal plate which contained an enormous amount of information coded in the molecular structure of the crystal.

This "memory plate" was manufactured from the last bomb survivers of human race from "Procyon" already 65 million years ago but it was completely intact when we found it. Our scientists were able to encode the messages and data and so we heard the first time about the events which took place in the distant past and which led to the extinction of the dinosaurs. The plate contained detailed descriptions of both species (but more about the humanoids) and about the events and weapons, including the fusion bomb. It contained also a description of the animals and saurians on earth, including our pre-intelligent ancestor species. The rest of our knowledge about our evolution comes from skeletons and from the back-reading and de/encoding of our DNA. You see, we know the real truth about our roots since 16,000 years. Before that time, there was a more religious idea of our creation.

Note by Michael Relfe: Assuming that this female is providing accurate information, from what she has been taught, it now becomes apparent that eveything the "reptilians" understand about their history is from an unknown alien artifact, created by an unknown alien group at an unknown time for an unknown purpose. Just as the reptilians enjoy subjecting humans to propaganda and disinformation, it seems that some other group is "running a game" on the reptilians as well. So this "advanced" reptilian race has no hard facts on their history, contrary to what they would have humans believe.
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Lol dear proxy Michael!

Notwithstanding the - to some - obvious Nabs related origin of the Lacerta files - created for a particular purpose by the human termed ptb label; there is of course rather a significant amount of intentionally obscured 'insider data' made public in this interview.

You might have one 'educated guess' or two as to where or what the 'ancient ancestors' or the creator of the Reptilians are and represent from the most ancient of almanacs. One somewhat misled nabs adherent, we have 'nicknamed' 'Alex the Great' was provided with some actual omniscientific 'insights' and information, which described just this 'missing link' in your discourse publisized here.

It has something to do with Black Holes as data emitters, but being triggered from the 12th dimension.

abraxasinas

PS.: Here is a public video, which has translated the 'Lacerta Interview' into audio.

Its origin is from a nabs site (http://www.alternativerealities.org/2012/02/lacerta-files-debunked.html), mostly 'believing' the account and misinterpreting the 'astral reality' of particular dimensional 'spacetime intersections' or 'twilight zones' and inhabited by human created memeplexed morphs and thoughtforms, with actual physical alien entities.

The statement, that the 'Lacertians' are actually native to the planet Earth is of course true; but a 'scientific fact', easily verified by anyone with enough 'insider information' regarding the Evolution of the human genotype from its multicellular origins 2,200 million years ago and including the Cambrian and Mesozoic 'creation of new lifeforms' explosions of so 600 and 250 million years ago.
After all, there are 4 'brains' and not just 3 as is 'believed' and measured even by the Terran scientists and researchers. You might know this as the Reptilian brainstem, enclosed by the mammalian midbrain and enveloped by the human topbrain or cortex. But around this anatomy is an 'auric' dragon brain, which allows the linear chronological evolvement to close in on itself and so ending the evolution from the brainstem to the braincrown.

Generally however, the 'Lacerta files' are akindred and a modernization of typical nabs information sponsored and 'encouraged' by the 'ptb'. The 'urantia book' and the 'terra files' and the 'star wars' agendas of say the Marciniak-Clow publications and most of the 'channelled information', freely available on a multitude of websites aligns with the 'Lacerta files' and represents a typical 50-50 distribution of 'true chronological-historical-scientific data' mirrored in utter untruth and disinformation, infused to confuse and 'control' the thinking processes of the projected 'readership' by the 'nabs sponsors of the ptb'.

To show a particular 'smoking gun' and also the relative naivety of the interviewer/commentator; I shall comment on this excerpt:


Question: In the letters that I got, there was often the question, whether you could go into any greater detail regarding the advanced physics that you commented on last time. Many people said, your words made no sense. For example, how do UFOs function, how do they fly, how do they perform the maneuvers that they do?

Answer: I ought to explain that to people? That's not all that simple. Let me think about it for a minute. I always have to use very simple words in order to make clear to you the basic principles of a higher kind of science. Let's try this: You have to be clear about some fundamental facts. The very first thing is that you must divide up the conception of the physical world because each existence consists of different layers; let's say for simplicity's sake that it consists of a material illusion and a sphere of influence. {TRANSLATOR'S NOTE: No legitimate translation exists for this word 'Feldraum'; "Feld" means "field," "Raum" means "space, room, expanse." Therefore, I'm translating it as "sphere of influence."}

Certain physical conditions are associated only with the realm of the material {as in 'concrete'}, while other and more complicated conditions are associated only with the sphere of influence of the material world. Your conception of the physical world is based upon a simple material illusion. That illusion is further subdivided into three elementary or basic conditions of matter. A fourth and very important condition also exists, which you simply pay attention to more or less as you choose; it is the one bordering on the sphere of influence or plasma realm.

For you, the theory for a controlled transformation or an elevation of the frequency of matter and the stable existence of this fourth aggregate condition of matter is not very common, or it exists at a very primitive level. (As an aside, there are simply five states of matter, but the post-plasma state would really be going too far and it would only serve to confuse you. Besides, it is not necessary for an understanding of the basic theory; it is connected with diverse phenomena which you would characterize as paranormal.)

Now, back to the essentials: Plasma...now, with plasma I don't mean just "hot gas"—as the concept is generally simplified by your people—but rather I mean a higher aggregate condition of matter. The plasma state of matter is a special form of matter which lies between its real existence and the sphere of influence, that is, a complete loss of mass and pure accretion of energy of various form whenever matter is "pushed or shoved." {NOTE: No explanation was given for the use of the word "pushed, shoved" as used in this context. Your guess is as good mine.}

The fourth state of matter is very important for certain physical conditions which can be used for example to...how should I express this to you...generate antigravity. (That's a rather strange human word and not really correct, but you ought to understand it better this way.) Essentially, in the world of real physics, there are no bipolar forces, but rather only "observer dependent reflective behavior" of a single, large unified force at different levels. With antigravity or the displacement of gravitational characteristics into levels, one can, for example, cause apparently solid matter to levitate; this method is employed partly by us and by extraterrestrials as well as a means of propulsion for their UFOs.

You people are moving on a really primitive level towards a similar principle for your secret military projects, but since you have more or less stolen this technology (and it was later falsely passed on to you intentionally by the extraterrestrials), you lack the real physical understanding; as a result, you have to struggle with problems of instability and radiation with your "UFOs". According to my information, there have been a great number of deaths of your people because of intense radiation and field disturbances. Don't you agree, this is also an example of the business regarding the question of "good" and "evil"? You people play with unknown forces

Note by Stephanie Relfe: We agree.

and thereby accept the death of colleagues of your own kind, for they are dying for a greater cause, namely, for the advancement of your technology, which as a result is being put into place once again for the purpose of war, i.e., for negative pursuits.

Note by Stephanie Relfe: Again, we agree.


The word 'Feldraum' has a specific meaning and can be translated as 'Fields of Spacetime'. It so represents the 'Unified Field' of Quantum Geometrical Gravitation, which is postulated by the Terran scientists to 'leak gravity' from the 5th dimension in advanced quantum mechanics and so describing the long sought after 'Quantum Gravity' as the 'Theory of all Physicality'.

The mentioned 'push of matter' is a VERY human concept in the history of physics and is known as 'Push Gravity' in a number of now outdated and 'debunked' physical theoretical context of researchers like Georges-Lois Le Sage, some 300 to 400 years ago. The 'mystifying' of a real ET technology as some form of previously rather human created and invented 'cosmic physics' related to the 'Unified Field of Quantum Physics' so exposes the human origin of this particular 'Lacertian-Reptilian' physics, say as applied to 'ufo technology'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage's_theory_of_gravitation)

The plasma fourth state of matter is indeed the threshold into the 5th state of the ice crystal-water droplet-water vapour-ionised Hydrogen towards the subatomic realm of what the molecular electron configuration H₂O represents say in its membrane or string based form from its say quantum geometric template function. However it is by no means 'incomprehensible' by the human mind, as this 'Lacertian female' infers rather a number of times in that interview. Rather the 5th dimension represents a well discussed concept hypothesized by the Terran cosmologists since the time of the Maxwell-Einstein revolution of the human physics community of the 20th century. But as the foundation of the higher dimensional physics (of say Membrane Theory in 11 dimensions)is not known in its elementary forms, it is often subject to more speculation and associated modelling, than is actually necessary. This Lacertian female appears to carry a rather significant amount of a 'human superiority complex' regarding the mental reality of the metaphysical-physical vesica pisces, cosmically foundated. This 'evidence' also exposes the origin of this ET-human contact discourse as a fundamentally human made event.

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[5:59:09 AM] Sirius 17: Tony, I watched this video the other day about the discovery of these new cave paintings, well 95 they found it
[5:59:25 AM] Sirius 17: and in that cave is a Venus woman merged with a bull
[5:59:32 AM] Shiloh: What do you see as significant in them?
[5:59:32 AM] Sirius 17: on a stellagmite
[5:59:52 AM] Sirius 17: and they talked about how the ancients merged this Venus symbol with the bull
[6:00:04 AM] Shiloh: Link again, I did not look at this one, but recall vaguely you mentioned caves.
[6:00:16 AM] Shiloh: Venus is Taurus
[6:00:24 AM] Sirius 17: i wondered if they knew back then and had knowledge of the constellations and were linking it to Taurus
[6:00:24 AM] Shiloh: This is old hat
[6:00:30 AM] Sirius 17: yes they said so
[6:00:36 AM] Sirius 17: sec let me find it
[6:01:03 AM] Shiloh: Ah yes, I see what you are implying. If those paintings are older than the Mesopotamian magi, then it has ET associativity
[6:01:20 AM] Shiloh: Astrology is said to be Babylonian
[6:01:23 AM] Sirius 17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y0guHHDN5Q

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[6:01:35 AM] Sirius 17: yes this cave dates to 35,000 years
[6:01:42 AM] Sirius 17: it is spectacular
[6:01:49 AM] Sirius 17: the paintings are in pristine condition
[6:02:06 AM] Sirius 17: it is called the cave of forgotten dreams
[6:02:14 AM] Shiloh: If validated it goes to the time of the Cro Magnon ET 'creation' in 'genetic manipulation' lol
[6:02:41 AM] Sirius 17: oh it is validated, they have dated the calcite formations overlaying the paintings and charcoal
[6:02:43 AM] Shiloh: Remember that the galactic signal was sent so 25,700 years ago
[6:03:01 AM] Sirius 17: yes, oh you should watch this
[6:03:48 AM] Shiloh: So if this is a Venus with astrology connotation, then it would show, that astrology is basically ET in origin, as it predates the galactic communication event
[6:04:53 AM] Shiloh: It then indicates, that the Mithras 'religion' often used to debunk Jesus' physical reality is a man made retelling of a much older 'story' and script
[6:05:18 AM] Shiloh: Of course we understand astrology to be a dragon science lol
[6:05:35 AM] Sirius 17: yes this video discusses the long history of the Venus worship, those figurines are found all over Europe
[6:05:39 AM] Fates Whynot: Hello Tony and Raven, I am now in the chat
[6:06:04 AM] Fates Whynot: My phone keeps bumping me down so I can't read this convo, but I was able to read the other one
[6:06:16 AM] Sirius 17: Hello Fates
[6:06:19 AM] Shiloh: Yes I have decided to share data in here as you introduced a few new souls, who might see some value in this information
[6:06:24 AM] Fates Whynot: Heya raven *hugs*
[6:06:49 AM] Fates Whynot: Yes, this is the purpose of this chat
[6:07:06 AM] Sirius 17: you should watch this video i just linked Fates, it is really wonderful
[6:07:11 AM] Fates Whynot: It is an open fourm, refer to other chat for details I just posted on who I am contact with
[6:07:35 AM] Shiloh: I will share it on the facts versus nabs forums
[6:07:54 AM] Fates Whynot: Cave of forgotten dreams?
[6:08:11 AM] Fates Whynot: Yes, I have told ron about nabs and to be careful
[6:08:28 AM] Sirius 17: sure, oh the whole cave is full of cave bear skulls, it was never habitated by humans they said
[6:08:31 AM] Fates Whynot: The last video with his communication with the red dragons I think he mentioned that
[6:08:36 AM] Sirius 17: yes
[6:08:48 AM] Sirius 17: they only painted in there
[6:09:27 AM] Fates Whynot: Interesting, I reposted to my Facebook wall, I only have one Window on my phone so I'll watch it as soon as I can
[6:10:01 AM] Fates Whynot: I need a computer =/
[6:10:35 AM] Fates Whynot: Anyway, go ahead, sorry for interrupting
[6:10:59 AM] Fates Whynot: I will see if I can get the scroller to stop on my phone so I get caught up
[6:11:27 AM] Sirius 17: i guess it was 94/95 they were hiking and discovered it
[6:12:36 AM] Shiloh: The grand 20 lunar years of Nostradamus with the related 'end of the world' prophecies date from March 24th, 1995 to August 25th, 2014, as you might remember.
[6:12:56 AM] Sirius 17: oh yes that is right
[6:13:23 AM] Sirius 17: in the beginning of the film he says these paintings are the oldest ever discovered, dating back to 32,000 years
[6:13:51 AM] Fates Whynot: Oh, important point made here (by Tony above), I am in contact with the real illuminati and they do not have negative intensions, I approve or disapprove by means of favoriting their philosphical ideological posts on twitter per their requests
[6:14:25 AM] Fates Whynot: Social networks are key here
[6:14:32 AM] *** Shiloh sent BaabsDayo.jpg BaabsDayo.jpg BaabsDayo.jpg BaabsDayo.jpg ***
[6:14:34 AM] Sirius 17: the cave has paintings of lions even, several of them
[6:15:34 AM] Sirius 17: hmm it doesn't seem to want to download
[6:15:46 AM] Sirius 17: there it goes finally
[6:16:00 AM] Shiloh: wrong chart
[6:16:02 AM] Sirius 17: i do have this one i think
[6:16:04 AM] Fates Whynot: I just received it, decrypting timeline information in mind now
[6:16:10 AM] Fates Whynot: Oh
[6:17:53 AM] Fates Whynot: Where is the real one? =)
[6:18:15 AM] Fates Whynot: Sorry, I'm excited every time I read a tony chart haha
[6:18:23 AM] Fates Whynot: Get all antsy
[6:18:50 AM] *** Shiloh sent SharonasMILD.jpg ***

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[6:20:18 AM] Sirius 17: yes i remember this one
[6:20:53 AM] Fates Whynot: Oh, tony, the red dragons want charts from you just so you know, if you just send me them as they become ready for manifest I will repost and distribute them
[6:21:17 AM] Fates Whynot: They are reading all thuban sites as well
[6:21:32 AM] Sirius 17: the charts are all on the site Fates
[6:21:34 AM] Fates Whynot: But I need to post to tumblr and facebook at the appropriate time
[6:21:49 AM] Sirius 17: freely available for download as well as on MOA and BOG
[6:22:19 AM] Sirius 17: and the new xenforo forum will have them as well
[6:22:24 AM] Fates Whynot: Right, but, rather than accidentally reposting old charts or at the wrong time, just let me know
[6:22:27 AM] Sirius 17: some are already there
[6:22:36 AM] Sirius 17: the ones that have been transferred anyhow
[6:22:48 AM] Fates Whynot: Yes, they are reading them at spurz currently =)
[6:22:59 AM] Fates Whynot: As long as that's always up to date
[6:23:40 AM] Sirius 17: some of the older charts are in my cosmic logos album on fb too
[6:23:54 AM] Sirius 17: if you are looking for any of them
[6:24:29 AM] Sirius 17: but the main ones i would say are all found on the homepage of spruz
[6:24:35 AM] Fates Whynot: Ok =) mostly they want the freshest and newest charts the day they are released, so just keep me posted
[6:24:37 AM] Sirius 17: Tony keeps those pretty well updated
[6:24:53 AM] Sirius 17: look at the front page there
[6:24:57 AM] Fates Whynot: Yep =) I know, I have my work taken care of for the most part
[6:25:00 AM] Sirius 17: those are the important ones
[6:25:24 AM] Fates Whynot: They are just "eager"
[6:25:26 AM] Sirius 17: and this chart he just sent is on there
[6:26:43 AM] Fates Whynot: It's not downloading, can you resend
[6:26:52 AM] Fates Whynot: I got the other one
[6:28:03 AM] Fates Whynot: That's why I stated earlier in the other chat that ron needed dates in layman's terms
[6:28:25 AM] Fates Whynot: Not all of them are as intelligent as us
[6:28:28 AM] *** Sirius 17 sent SharonasMILD.jpg ***
[6:28:35 AM] Fates Whynot: I can do the translations
[6:28:51 AM] Shiloh: Well the true Thuban and Dragonhood does not require any human validation fates, as it is 'authorized' by the true Logos and not in any way related to human creativity. So I support your PR methods, but carry no expectations regarding any outcomes, neither 'supportive' nor 'hostile'
[6:30:03 AM] Fates Whynot: I agree tony
[6:30:21 AM] Fates Whynot: Logos' word is law regardless of their poor translations
[6:31:11 AM] Fates Whynot: ...raven can you private send me that, it's still stuck
[6:31:46 AM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Hohle_Fels they also discuss this Venus figure in the video too
[6:31:57 AM] Sirius 17: dated at 35,000 years
[6:32:12 AM] Sirius 17: it says you have it
[6:32:23 AM] Shiloh: From what I saw of it, it seems genuine Juju. And so it clearly shows ET engagement with the homo erectus genotype say 40,000 to 30,000 years ago and before the galactic signal was triggered to transform Gaia
[6:33:03 AM] Sirius 17: oh wait that was Zania who got it, ok it is sent in your 1-1
[6:33:27 AM] Sirius 17: yes it is a genuine find
[6:34:18 AM] Sirius 17: they have been keeping it sealed and have only allowed scientists and geologists to study it these years, because the other caves got damaged by the CO2 from the breathing of tourists
[6:34:27 AM] Shiloh: The time of the homo sapiens species ended with the hybridisation and inbreeding of the Neanderthals
[6:35:02 AM] Shiloh: And now the time of homo sapiens sapiens is ending to the frustration of the many
[6:35:13 AM] Sirius 17: yes and it was during this time they say that both Neanderthals and Cro-Magnum shared the same canyon
[6:35:30 AM] Shiloh: Because the transformative epoch towards the starhuman has begun
[6:35:39 AM] Shiloh: Yes validation
[6:36:02 AM] Sirius 17: lol they even talk about this in the film, how one species overtook the other
[6:37:01 AM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_man look at this Tony
[6:37:12 AM] Shiloh: Dragon nous as 'shared' by the true creator Logos
[6:37:15 AM] Sirius 17: it is older than this Venus of Fels
[6:37:59 AM] Shiloh: Yes and the ptb is aware of this and so understands, that its days are numbered in their misguided stewardship of the planet Earth
[6:38:18 AM] Shiloh: Ergo the geopolitical 'upheavals'
On this chart, notice the 23 days from March 1st, 1995 as the 'preparation' and the 23 days from August 25th, 2014 to September 17th, 2014 as the 'completion'.
[6:50:44 AM] Shiloh: September 17th, 2014 is the day Noah and God form the Rainbow Dragon Covenant for a New World and as encoded in scripture.
[6:51:56 AM] Fates Whynot: Yes the completion of the Ark, it's movement, raven/dove landing
[6:52:57 AM] Shiloh: March 1st, 1995 becomes the 1st day of the 1st month and September 17th, 2014 becomes the last day of the 12th month. 2 days later a 'new race from the stars is born' in the encoding of Arphaxad as the grandson of Noah in Genesis.11.10 and also describing the 2 years of the return of the 'stolen treasures' from the Jerusalem temple and related to the encoding of the 'Ark of the Covenant'.
[6:53:50 AM] Fates Whynot: Yes, the Ark of the Covenant, I have regarded our time capsule as such
[6:54:12 AM] Shiloh: This is in Jeremiah.28.2-4, fates and should be of value to any 'real insider ptb', as they know say about the secret codes, but have hitherto not been able to decode its masterpiece of the GOT
[6:54:51 AM] Fates Whynot: Yes, they are requesting it but they do not have eyes to see
[6:55:36 AM] Fates Whynot: I use discrimination
[6:55:59 AM] Shiloh: I stand aside from any analysis or judgement, but repeat what I said. Any true insider aka echeloners would be VERY interested in the words I am writing down here
[6:57:04 AM] Shiloh: If any such ptb insider does not have eyes to see, nor ears to hear, then this reader is not an echeloner and a nabs pretender of divers sorts
[6:57:28 AM] Shiloh: And the number of those all over the web is legion

"""[6:01:26 AM] Fates Whynot: I just got caught up (read) in your chat tony
[6:02:44 AM] Fates Whynot: I don't know how much you know about the red and gold dragon clans around the world, but i informed them of those crucial dates
[6:02:59 AM] Fates Whynot: They have money, power and influence
[6:03:16 AM] Fates Whynot: And they listen directly to us, this may help in our mission
[6:04:26 AM] Fates Whynot: If there is anything you wish for me to broadcast for manifestation then let me know =) my job is to be in communication with and give orders to all of the great secret society's of the world, watch the videos that ron posted on DNN for more details
[6:04:30 AM] Fates Whynot: Darkphipps.tumblr.com


[6:52:44 AM] Sirius 17: [6:41 AM] Fates Whynot:

<<< Excellent thank you
You understand where I'm comming from with my PR stuff right raven =) it's an annoying job but I have to do it or else en mass they will fuc11 it up
Aka they will not be able to decript
I have to explain every little detail with the red dragons like they are babys
[6:52:55 AM] Sirius 17: I didn't comment, he said this in my 1-1
[6:55:58 AM] Sirius 17: i will be back in a few, i have errands to run here sweety
[7:00:36 AM] Shiloh: The red dragons seem to be rather human minded lol"""

abraxasinas on the completion of the 1st 7-day week of 12 in the starsign dragon clan of Aries Red Reuben!, Sunday, July 19th-27th, 2014​

[7:27:20 AM] Zaina:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC2tlNmz4ao

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[7:27:47 AM] Zaina: lol
[7:28:16 AM] Shiloh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7lmAc3LKWM
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[7:28:20 AM] Shiloh: Yes indeed!
[7:29:05 AM] Shiloh: But the true dragons will interact with the fake ones Zia and so Fates' work is honourable and dragon like indeed!
[7:30:11 AM] Shiloh: Do you know how one can differentiate the true from the false in this respect?
[7:30:32 AM] Zaina: Nope
[7:31:00 AM] Zaina: but fates is a good guy and i am sure well in control of what he is achieving ,
[7:31:20 AM] Shiloh: Denial of the 'master dragon' as a twinned Edenic serpent and as per the Nag Hammadi contexts, predating the birth of current Christianity and Islam is a key.
[7:32:09 AM] Shiloh: Yes fates is 'Thubanes' a la 'Draconian Alpha'.
[7:32:22 AM] Zaina: This is my battle ,
[7:32:33 AM] Shiloh: It should not be.
[7:32:43 AM] Zaina: I KNOW
[7:33:09 AM] Shiloh: Islam is fake dear one, except from its Sufi legacy, which is similar to Kabbalistic Torah
[7:33:56 AM] Shiloh: Nostradamus called it the 'abominable sect, even 400 years ago
[7:34:07 AM] Zaina: Yes its a monster now
[7:35:14 AM] Zaina: and i follow the sufi side of islam ,
[7:35:41 AM] Zaina: which seems the same as gnostic to me
[7:36:44 AM] Shiloh: It is good you are seeing this. When disillusioned young men from all over the world volunteer to 'serve this Allah abomination, (which is the Yaldebaoth' of the gnostics and the Jehovah of the Old Testament and Torah and not Abba, the father of Jesus and all of us) in some jihad 'holy war' against perceived 'infidels' and 'goyim'; then something is colossolly 'wrong' with this 'holiness'.
[7:37:40 AM] Shiloh: It is and the gnostics, who did NOT deny the 'physicality' are the 'mystical traditions' worth saving in all of the world religions and spiritual threads.
[7:38:39 AM] Shiloh: And those traditions, also known as a 'natural science' and a 'perennial philosophy' does not promise Nirvanistic virgins in fantasy heavens or hells like the political theocratic 'politico-religions' do
[7:40:20 AM] Shiloh: The great irony in the present war between the Palestinian Arabs and the Jews is the fact,, that both follow the same eschatology with their messiahs (actually two brothers).
[7:40:52 AM] Shiloh: And this one becomes the Christian antichrist similarly self deluded by human thinking and interpretation of the 'holy books'
[7:41:25 AM] Shiloh: You see, that i make NO difference between common Islam and orthodox Judaism
[7:41:41 AM] Shiloh: They war and hate each other, yet they have the same religion
[7:42:07 AM] Zaina: YES IT IS VERY MUCH THE SAME ,
[7:42:19 AM] Zaina: sorry caps
[7:42:33 AM] Shiloh: So the war between Jews and Arabs is but the 'house of their God Shaitan or Devil' being divided in its own 'house' and just as Jesus predicted

[7:43:40 AM] Shiloh:

Matthew 12:25-27 - King James Version (KJV)

25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

[7:48:56 AM] Shiloh:


Nostradamus: Century X, Quatrain 96

Religion du nom des mers vaincra,
Contre la secte fils Adaluncatif,
Secte obstinee deploree craindra,
Des deux blessex par Aleph & Aleph


The Religion of the name of the seas will overcome,
Against the sect of the son of Adaluncatif,
The obstinate lamented sect will fear
The two wounded by Aleph & Aleph.



PACIFICAP=48+16=64=ISRAEL=PETER=PACIFICA+P=P+ACIFICA+P=32+32=LIFECELL de Pacifica OmniScience La Paz of the Pacific de A&A=A&A*=A&Z=Alpha&Omega of the Witnesses for the LogosTwin JCCJ

1.Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

2.Revelation 1:11
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

3.Revelation 21:6
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

4.Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[7:50:16 AM] Zaina: I Live among muslims they are my freinds i visit them and share rammadan with them ,and watch them fast and thirst for hours ,and they are truly lovely people most of them ,what is happening now in the middle east is a nightmare ,and isis and what the saudi gov ,i think have created ,and if they are following blindly is is truly sad ,the sacrifices they make in the name of Allah ,i do believe in one God and submit my will to a one God ,,for there is only ONE ,
[7:50:47 AM] Zaina: I call my God by any Name becasue to me there is only one ,
[7:51:13 AM] Zaina: Elohim ,elshaddai ,abba and allah ,
[7:51:51 AM] Shiloh: Yes most muslims are rather law abiding and good hearted beings, but rather enslaved by this 'you shalt not' religious bullshi20
[7:51:58 AM] Zaina: i cannot my self think there is anything other ,i know i dont know as much as the rest of the people here ,but i need to hang on to this
[7:52:12 AM] Zaina: yes i agree
[7:52:27 AM] Shiloh: Abba is the true name of the one and only god and not Jehovah or Allah. This is Jesus' naming and not mine or any human's
[7:53:17 AM] Zaina: and Allah is ?
[7:53:24 AM] Zaina: shatian ?
[7:54:13 AM] Shiloh: Abba simply means Dad or Mum in kindergarten talk and so is directed at babies, who cannot talk properly yet. And this is the status quo what is known as human mindedness
[7:54:16 AM] Shiloh: Yes
[7:55:54 AM] Zaina: I need to go and smoke ,i will be back ,
[7:55:54 AM] Shiloh: Any 'god' who requires you to bow x times a day at some direction to 'worship' some man made location and all the rest of the 'OT-Quran' restrictions of eating and showing your face and sexual possessiveness etc etc is a 'devil' and manmade and created by faulty and erroneous 'thinking'
[7:57:02 AM] Shiloh: Just ask yourself how a loving dad would expect his children to act and behave and what 'restrictions' and laws he would impose?
[7:57:27 AM] Shiloh: Would he require his kids to bang thier heads against some wall to experience 'enlightenment'?
[7:58:12 AM] Shiloh: The Jehovah in the OT is simply the way the true God is not in context
[7:58:47 AM] Zaina: This message has been removed.
[7:58:50 AM] Zaina: know
[7:59:13 AM] Zaina: and i understand ,and also and working through that
[7:59:15 AM] Zaina: but ,
[7:59:28 AM] Zaina: looking in to the Quran say ,
[7:59:38 AM] Zaina: most of these actions come from ,their lord
[7:59:55 AM] Zaina: which i think is demuge
[8:00:11 AM] Zaina: the prophet was asked to read by the lord ,not god
[8:00:20 AM] Zaina: and i think this is why he said he cannot read
[8:00:26 AM] Shiloh: So the real god is Moses' 'Burning Bush' as ABBa in Exodus 3.14 of the 'Holy Name', but this can of course become mixed up with the 'jealous god' of Jehovah. It is rewquired to exist as a 'fake god', because otherwise the contrast between Abba and the 'not Abba' could not be realised and appreciated in a future 'kingdom' and real heaven of physicality to come
[8:00:59 AM] Shiloh: You nare 100% correct in your 'reading' here
[8:01:29 AM] Zaina: and Abba is my GOD ,
[8:01:44 AM] Zaina: and i pray often to Abba ,this is where i feel safe ,
[8:02:01 AM] Zaina: but i cannot throw all ,
[8:02:12 AM] Shiloh: The demiurge is called Yaldebaoth = Jehovah = Allah = LIVED = nonexistent DEVIL, well non existing as human imagination of what a 'bad god' could be like
[8:04:11 AM] Zaina: So what will happen to the ones that worship Allah ?
[8:04:33 AM] Zaina: becasue of muisunderstand of the Book
[8:04:48 AM] Zaina: and really folowing that lord
[8:05:02 AM] Zaina: ontop of a trap
[8:05:19 AM] Zaina: if that makes sense
[8:05:23 AM] Shiloh: They will be ok basically, as it is the heart that matters to Abba and not delusional mentalities
[8:06:18 AM] Shiloh: There is a 'mercy seat' and there is the matter of 'grace' as exposited in the New Testament, especially the Pauline letters.
[8:06:56 AM] Shiloh: As you know the Jesus deniers often call Paul the 'great deceiver' and hijacker of Christendoms liturgy
[8:07:12 AM] Zaina: yes
[8:07:44 AM] Shiloh: This is part of the great deception say as promulgated by the christ deniers like Bonacci, Tsarion, Maxwell and their ilk from the Zeitgeist BS from Joseph and Murdock
[8:08:24 AM] Zaina: it is yes
[8:08:46 AM] Shiloh: Zeitgeist is basically very right in terms of money and politics and the ptb and basically 100% wrong when it 'deceives' its listeners with its take on religion
[8:09:29 AM] Shiloh: This is part of the great polarisation required to prepare the old world inhabitants for the new world
[8:09:57 AM] Zaina: to break religions
[8:10:12 AM] Shiloh: Here is some old data regarding the Nostradamus quatrain and the Islam conection for you
[8:10:17 AM] Zaina: yes i can understand that
[8:10:21 AM] Shiloh:

[5:59:00 PM-Saturday, July 13th, 2013 +10UCT] Emeth 141: Yes and the December 21st, nexus opened the 5D and 2013 will 'evolve' this is the way I see it
[5:59:41 PM] Emeth 141: The 'reproducibility' of 'phenomenal outcomes' will become visible in time from 2013 onwards
[5:59:46 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[6:00:19 PM] Emeth 141: So the 'skeptics' percentage will diminish and become replaced by the 'attuners'
[6:00:49 PM] Emeth 141: This is also called the 'Old Golden Age' renewal and such terms, often Nabs hijacked
[6:01:35 PM] Emeth 141: Before science of the Rennaissance, the 'beliefs' accomodated more of this, as you can discern in the human histories
[6:02:07 PM] Sirius 17: yes the Logos presence is what is behind it all, the counsel of 24 elders and the real throne of God
[6:02:21 PM] Emeth 141: Ergo the fables of Lemuria and Atlantis etc as the intersection between higher and lower D was less rigid as it became with the rennaissance
[6:02:32 PM] Sirius 17: true
[6:03:30 PM] Emeth 141: Ergo what is required is a 'New Religion' say called Omni-Science and inclusive of the 'Spirit' as the scalar part of the electromagnetic fundamental interaction
[6:03:51 PM] Emeth 141: Nosey saw just this in his crystal balls
[6:07:20 PM] Emeth 141:​

96
The Religion of the name of the seas will win out
Against the sect of the son of Adaluncatif:
The stubborn, lamented sect will be afraid
Of the two wounded by A and A.
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[6:07:55 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i remember this quatrain
[6:09:14 PM] Emeth 141: The Indians claim it applies to them of course and this is what is pervasive on the net
[6:09:19 PM] Emeth 141:


Quatrain 96, Century X

The religion of the name of the seas triumphs, Against the fanatics of the Khalif's adalat,

The murderous creed of the false alefs, Between the Hindus and Christians will be caught. This prophecy need a little explication. In geography, one finds the Hindu Maha Sagar (the Indian Ocean in English). Hinduism is the only religion with a sea (an ocean, rather) named after it. The Moslem fanatics believe that the Shariat or Koranic law with its sexual licence is God-given or Khalif's adalat. The Koran itself opens with the letter alef (angel) in Arabic. Both Hindus and Christians have suffered at the hands of Moslems and seek revenge. Lebanon is a foretaste of things to come. The Nostradamian quatrain spells the doom of the murder-creed.

If this interpretation should sound far-fetched, consider yet another prophetic quatrain :

Quatrain 50, Century L

From the peninsula where three seas meet, Comes the ruler to whom Thursday is holy, His wisdom and might all nations will greet, To oppose him in Asia will be folly.

South India is the only peninsula in the entire globe where three seas meet a point and stretch away.
The great Hindu leader who will wipe out our enemies will hence be a south Indian who offers worship on Thursdays. It is easy to see why Nostradamus specifically mentions Thursday as the holy day. It is only Hindus who consider Thursday sacred. Moslems pray on Friday; Jews bow before God on Saturday; Christians bawl hymns on Sunday at church.
Nostradamus is making it clear here that the conqueror will be a Hindu from South India. He will bind Asia together under his rule. The Hindu leader, however, will not be a tyrant. He will be ruthless with the Moslem fanatics. But he will win over the communists by persuading them of the timeless varieties of Hinduism. Russia will become India's ally:


Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_nostradamus_told_India#ixzz2YuXqqeDp


[6:10:01 PM] Emeth 141: The 'religion called after the seas' is PACIFIC or pace'=Peaceful in Spanish
[6:10:17 PM] Emeth 141: This becomes a supersymmetric anagram
[6:10:46 PM] Emeth 141: Like the LiaFaiL as the 'Irish Stone of Destiny' fulfilling the scriptures regarding the Davidic Throne, then 'hijacked' by the European aristocrats
[6:11:17 PM] Emeth 141: PaciFicaP is the anagram being 64=Peter=Israel=Zion
[6:11:39 PM] Sirius 17: oh nice
[6:11:42 PM] Emeth 141: So Cortes naming the Pacific is the thing Nosey 'saw'
[6:12:00 PM] Emeth 141: Nothing to do with the Indian Ocean lol
[6:12:24 PM] Sirius 17: i am still sharing all this with JT
[6:12:30 PM] Sirius 17: he left his oovoo open
[6:12:40 PM] Emeth 141: But they are right in calling the 'obstinate sect' as being Islam as a Non-Sufi world religion
[6:12:51 PM] Sirius 17: no doubt
[6:13:09 PM] Emeth 141: So Nosey did address the 'rise and abuse of power of Islam'
[6:14:32 PM] Sirius 17: sweety James is home and wants me to go to the jaccuzi with him so i am going to call it a night
[6:14:55 PM] Sirius 17: i shared all of this with JT though as he may find it interesting
[6:15:27 PM] Emeth 141: Oh good, I add this last part to his thread on spruz
[6:15:41 PM] Sirius 17: sure

[6:16:00 PM] Sirius 17: catch you later hon
[6:16:07 PM] Sirius 17: :
[6:23:54 PM] Hades 88:

[5:48 PM] Emeth 141:

<<< Xeia does not like science lol

she was probably just tired and went to bed....it is middle of the night over there
[6:28:01 PM] Emeth 141: Sure, it was not meant to be a derogerative comment
[6:29:18 PM] Hades 88: is jt still smoking ?
[6:30:01 PM] Emeth 141: I did not know, he was smoking?
[6:30:51 PM] Hades 88: he smokes or smoked grass
[6:32:37 PM] Emeth 141: Ah yes, I remember now
[6:38:41 PM] Hades 88: and this friend of his....master inventor...giving urself a title of the master is not something i would approve
[6:39:31 PM] Hades 88: unless it is meant as humor
[6:47:11 PM] Emeth 141: Yes and I looked at the pics
[6:47:21 PM] Emeth 141: And commented as I saw it
[6:48:16 PM] Emeth 141: There are inventors all over the place building such things
[6:49:28 PM] Emeth 141: The 'new physics' will engage a new realisation about what magnetism is; but I simply dont think this can be constructed by mechanical apparatus as yet
[6:50:11 PM] Emeth 141: There is a sound basis, as you can see in the Japanese magneto levo-trains
[6:50:34 PM] Emeth 141: It engages the 'shutdown' of the ordinary Lenz induction
[6:50:54 PM] Emeth 141: How magnetic fields induce electric fields and vice versa as current flow
[6:51:11 PM] Emeth 141: It also engages superconductivity of materials
[6:51:48 PM] Emeth 141: So those new ceramics and buckytubes etc, all are under mainstream investigations
[6:52:15 PM] Emeth 141: By well funded ptb organisations I am rather sure in 'black budgets'
[6:53:14 PM] Emeth 141: The 'garage' inventors then simply 'mimick' some research which is done by well organised factions in the 'hidden science' labs
[6:54:21 PM] Emeth 141: The way I see it, as soon as uni research begins to make some 'breakthroughs', the further developments 'go underground' and the university stuff is paraded as the mainstream science
[6:54:46 PM] Emeth 141: Especially, if this research promises new technology
[6:55:25 PM] Emeth 141: The medical stuff is basically a money intensive 'business' and so is less obscured than 'new technology' potentials
Hades 88
Sirius 17

[8:19:52 AM] Zaina: I will later if you don't mind write up all my feelings on this ,i need to put my heart in to this and take my time to explne my self ,not for any one here benifits but really for my own ,this i need
[8:20:33 AM] Zaina: this is a cross roads for me and a daily torture
[8:20:49 AM] Zaina: and time i sorted it out
[8:21:18 AM] Zaina: and to do that i have to mirror my self with my good friend Alienne ,so i can see where iam
[8:21:24 AM] Zaina: hope that makes sense
[8:22:01 AM] Zaina: goiing to call it the ghost in my closet
[8:22:50 AM] Shiloh: Alienne is simply 'confused' in her attempt to 'despise' the status quo and the 'self contradictory' world she is 'forced' to live in and her hatred of anything male is part of the issue here
[8:23:30 AM] Zaina: Islam is male based ?
[8:23:39 AM] Shiloh: And so all 'gods' must become female, as you know
[8:23:48 AM] Zaina: yes
[8:24:06 AM] Shiloh: Yes, but therefore Alienne becomes the counter weight see?
[8:24:24 AM] Zaina: the balance ?
[8:24:41 AM] Shiloh: She so dreams of embodying ALL of femininity as a female beingness predating any human 'ideas'
[8:24:49 AM] Shiloh: Yes exactly
[8:25:20 AM] Shiloh: To Alienne a male Jesus is unacceptable and so certain scenaros are created
[8:26:17 AM] Shiloh: What Alienne misunderstands, is that jesus was indeed a heshebness and the forerunner of the cosmic androgyny but in two separated embodiments and not just the one
[8:27:09 AM] Shiloh: This is why Thuban calls the Logos the Cosmic twin. It is androgenous, but NOT asexual, as both sexes exist, but in a doubling of male to malefemale and female to femalemale
[8:27:57 AM] Shiloh: So in essence, Alienne is 'right', but the details describe the Devil-Iblis-Shaitan notwithstanding
[8:28:07 AM] Zaina: So are you saying that Alienne is denying the maleness therefore cannot make the transistion
[8:28:36 AM] Shiloh: I am in no position to say who and who does not 'qualify' for any transition
[8:28:39 AM] Zaina: not becasue of anything ,jsut the fact she hates men
[8:29:28 AM] Zaina: but she was teased all of her life and i don't know what she went through ,but she suffered for sure ,
[8:29:46 AM] Zaina: and i can only guess this is why she may hate men
[8:30:00 AM] Zaina: i don't know
[8:30:03 AM] Shiloh: But i am in a position to describe the cosmic reality of existence, so anyone reading the data can make certain decisons about what worldview or cosmology they might accept as their own 'cosmic family' legacy and inheritance
[8:31:10 AM] Shiloh: Nevertheless any personal sufferings and hardships; no human should deny their cosmic responsibilities to perceive and experience past their human egocentricities and personalities
[8:31:30 AM] Zaina: of course ,we have all had hard times
[8:31:49 AM] Zaina: some scared more that others
[8:31:58 AM] Shiloh: Only then, can the inbred human vanity be replaced with a cosmic understand and an understanding which then will be termed 'arrogance' by the human minded ones
[8:33:52 AM] Shiloh: Now Jesus said, that noone could 'enter' the kingdom except through him; how 'arrogant' sounds this in human minded terms?
[8:34:24 AM] Shiloh: Yet heshe is absolutely correct, because heshe is in fact the Cosmic Body in which all of us live in
[8:34:56 AM] Zaina: So are you saying one has to become arrogent ?
[8:35:05 AM] Zaina: in these times
[8:35:06 AM] Shiloh: But heshe has a cosmic egocentricity and self awareness see and this is what dragonhood means and why it is so hated and feared by the many and only searched for by so few
[8:35:59 AM] Shiloh: No I am saying the human mindedness is required to be 'eaten' by the cosmic self and not the human self
[8:36:14 AM] Zaina: to become humble
[8:36:20 AM] Zaina: yes
[8:37:06 AM] Shiloh: Because of conditionings and the human experiental history, this has become almost impossible for the 'so conditioned' or 'brainwashed'
[8:37:57 AM] Zaina: Then one has to suffer alot to accomplish this
[8:38:01 AM] Shiloh: Your idea of humbleness is still very islamic Zia. True humbleness is the 'meekness' and the 'poorness of spirit' described by jesus on the Sermon of Olivet in Matthew.24
[8:38:40 AM] Shiloh: This meekness means surrender to the Logos, which is like the envelope for ALL cosmic personalities
[8:38:45 AM] Zaina: maybe so ,but that was my starting point to this path ,
[8:38:55 AM] Shiloh: I am not saying human personalities
[8:39:00 AM] Zaina: i was very arrogent before
[8:39:23 AM] Zaina: and still am in some ways
[8:39:33 AM] Shiloh: On what criteria and judgement Zia yours or some paternalistic theology?
[8:40:17 AM] Shiloh: I cant see any arrogance in you. Rather I see your true and heartfelt surrender to Abba as the real Allah
[8:40:29 AM] Zaina: becasue to truly be non arrogent one would put complete trust in God
[8:40:45 AM] Zaina: and i don't always do this
[8:41:28 AM] Shiloh: This is the real thing here and it is the human mind, which more often than not pretends to be 'heartfelt and loving' when in fact it is judgemental and arrogant pretending to be 'love and light' and such nabs
[8:41:33 AM] Zaina: if my daughter was to crosos the road by her self at 8 ,shoudl i let her and trust in God ,or do i take her hand ?
[8:41:52 AM] Zaina: its a test of faith
[8:41:52 AM] Shiloh: Take her hand of course. You misread the agenda
[8:42:01 AM] Zaina: that was an example
[8:42:13 AM] Shiloh: Abba means Dad not teacher or guide
[8:42:14 AM] Zaina: do i submit my free will ?
[8:42:20 AM] Shiloh: No
[8:42:34 AM] Shiloh: Your free will is the cosmic persona actually
[8:42:55 AM] Shiloh: And in the greater agenda free will becomes the desire of AbbaBaab
[8:42:59 AM] Zaina: in islam this is expected by the InshaALLAH
[8:43:34 AM] Zaina: Which is th will of God and not the will of the Human
[8:43:41 AM] Shiloh: You know what I 'think' about the Koran, but to each its own. The Koran is a book of human created poetry to me and any true Thuban and poetry is mostly beautiful, but its words can and are often misread and misunderstood
[8:44:21 AM] Zaina: So the Quran is the opposite in everyway to Abba ,
[8:44:26 AM] Shiloh: No
[8:44:52 AM] Shiloh: The Quoran is manmade Zia and serves many as a counterfeit Christianity
[8:45:17 AM] Shiloh: The Words of Jesus are NOT manthought and so are of a different class
[8:45:35 AM] Zaina: Yes ,
[8:46:04 AM] Shiloh: Remember those plates they found as 'proving' that Christianity was predicting the coming of Mohammed?
[8:46:23 AM] Zaina: i didin't know about that
[8:46:41 AM] Shiloh: This can easily be shown to be islamist propaganda to discredit Jesus as simply a 'wayshower' to the 'Prophet'. I have a description on Legacy of it, wait I link it for you


[8:56:07 AM] Shiloh: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

[8:56:18 AM] Shiloh: http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&id=B5F83661-8D17-4903-99A2-A9A4F8BBD6E0&fid=C8003AFA-256F-490A-942F-15A004A56BC8&pageindex=6

[8:58:50 AM] Shiloh: And here: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t67...n-omni-science-de-alpha-draconis-omega#103410

[9:01:19 AM] Zaina: I will read this ,but can i ask who you consider the Al Madhi to be .as he came in my dream a few months back ?
[9:05:02 AM] Shiloh: yes, this 12th Imam as the culmination of all the prophets is this 'brotherhood' between the Jewish moshia and the Islamist counterpart.
[9:07:13 AM] Shiloh: They both expect some earlier brother they call Joseph to come first as a 'suffering redeemer' and to be killed by the 'infidels' or 'goyim'. Then his younger 'white' brother will come and resurrect his 'black' brother and make all old earthly nation to convert to Islam aka orthodox Judaism
[9:07:22 AM] Zaina: He took me through a door the plack on the wall was Al Hasan ,there was swimming pools being made ,for each house hold ,and i was saying the children will drown here if no one is watching them ,
[9:07:29 AM] Shiloh: I get you a video on this wait again please
[9:07:37 AM] Zaina: sorry Tony
[9:08:34 AM] Shiloh: Yes this was your human mindedness, islam conditioned, renaming the JCCJ, say in the form of a 'spiritual guide' or whatever your mental imagery could create to make this 'dream' meaningful for you
[9:09:28 AM] Shiloh: Your 'Al Mahdi' is true Zia, but it is being 'corrupted' by the islamic brainwashing
[9:10:00 AM] Zaina: Yes i know ,
[9:10:20 AM] Shiloh: The 'Al Mahdi' is real, but it is cosmic and in no way related or required to resurrect brothers or anyone 'killed' by humans
[9:12:19 AM] Zaina: he is saying he is here http://saviorofmankind.com/

[9:12:42 AM] Shiloh:

http://youtu.be/2bN54seOGtA
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[9:14:05 AM] Shiloh: Mind you the ideas of the geography from Chris White is also a misreading of Ezekiel 38-39 etc and Daniel-Revelation and is religioius BS in this video, but the description of the Judahic-Islamic Mahdi is correct.
[9:14:32 AM] Zaina: one question i have been meaning to ask ,
[9:14:59 AM] Shiloh: Yes indeed, because Ishmael is of Hagar and Isaac is of Sarah
[9:15:27 AM] Zaina: Jaboc brother felt the birth right was his
[9:15:40 AM] Zaina: and was stolen from him ,
[9:15:43 AM] Zaina: Jacob birth right and i think all this problem in palestine is related to this ,
[9:15:55 AM] Shiloh: Arabs then consider Ishmael as oldest with the original birthright and deny any legitimacy of the Judahic-Christian birthright
[9:16:05 AM] Zaina: yes
[9:16:17 AM] Zaina: so all this is related to this happening i guess
[9:17:03 AM] Shiloh: It is the earlier birthright of Ishmael-Isaac, which then is repeated in Esau-Jacob and again in Pharez-Zarah and again in Joseph's sons Manasseh-Ephraim
[9:17:43 AM] Shiloh: You are 'on the cosmic markers' on this Zia
[9:17:56 AM] Zaina: yes i know
[9:18:10 AM] Zaina: house of zebulon
[9:18:12 AM] Zaina: i take it
[9:18:27 AM] Zaina: which is the jacobs lineage
[9:18:28 AM] Shiloh: And this means you become an informed 'insider' and not some arrogant dragon queen lol
[9:18:41 AM] Zaina: oh
[9:18:58 AM] Shiloh: No Zebulon is simply one of 12 tribes or starsigns, namely Capricorn
[9:19:09 AM] Zaina: oh shows how much i know
[9:20:01 AM] Shiloh: But Zebulon has a personal meaning for you as it is the last male son of Leah before she gives birth to her only named daughter Dinah as the 13th starsign of the cosmic starhuman dragonhood
[9:20:06 AM] Zaina: what did you mean by cosmic markers on this ?
[9:20:26 AM] Zaina: to heal ?
[9:20:46 AM] Shiloh: Simply knowledge linked to understanding and so a wisdom marker or qualifier
[9:21:42 AM] Zaina: then i am unimportant in this and Moses coming ot me was becasue of Dinah ,back in 2008
[9:21:45 AM] Shiloh: Even if your understanding is evolving and growing from little seeds. Because your heart is mindful and not vice versa as in old humans who pride themselves as logically minded and hearty 'feelers'; you have learned to feel with your mind and 'think' or know with your heart in the other way around
[9:22:10 AM] Shiloh: No, Moses was another one of your cosmic family members
[9:22:37 AM] Zaina: He a angry man lol
[9:22:50 AM] Zaina: from the sample he showed me ,
[9:23:30 AM] Zaina: then that explanes why they won't let me go
[9:23:57 AM] Zaina: in my understanding of things
[9:26:30 AM] Shiloh: As said trust your feeling mind and thinking heart on this and not your thinking mind and feeling heart.
[9:27:01 AM] Shiloh: The former is starhuman selfhood and the latter is old human
[9:28:05 AM] Shiloh: I must go no dear one, but i will save this discourse to be of insight for others
[9:28:12 AM] Zaina: thanks Tony ,i know you hate to type for long times ,
[9:28:19 AM] Zaina: thanks for your time ,
[9:28:27 AM] Zaina: yes indeed
[9:29:01 AM] Shiloh: You are in the Cave of the Dragonheart and so of family of the starseed of Abraham and Sarah Zaina
[9:29:40 AM] Zaina: Just to add just looked at your video you sent me the way of the antichrist and this is just what i am studying now ,,no coinsidences .
[9:29:42 AM] Shiloh: This is all that matters for the 'cohesions' required to help the World Logos to bring in the change of the old world for a new one
[9:30:04 AM] Shiloh: Human vanities and judgements are not required
[9.44:00 AM] Shiloh:>>>what did you mean by cosmic markers on this ? to heal ?

This might surprise you a little, but the Mother of Dinah is called Leah = Heal and so you can now associate with your cosmic ID card a little better. Just remember that Leah is an archetype and so 'accessible' to all who wish to identify with the playwright of all scripts. The same is applicable to the Marys and Sarahs and Rebekahs of course, but Mary Magdalene and the Christ Mother were real incarnates, whilst many encoded names, say dated to say 1000 BC to David and Solomon and including Moses are not. Moses is part of many pharaoh names like Rameses and Ahmose and Thutmosis and many others and so shows that the 'abandoned' Moses baby in the river Nile and 'rescued' by a royal princess was not of 'Israelitic' lineage, but of the Egyptian bloodlines of real actual history. Much Nabs about Jesus being pharaohnic and so on derives from this misunderstanding.

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6759p105-the-factuals-versus-the-nabs#105046​

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• Post n°286

Re: The United States of the Solar System -- Final Cut

magamud Today at 4:08 pm

Im afraid our energy is so powerful and seemingly defenseless, that it attracts every sociopathic being in the universe. I suspect we are not in control at all and our thoughts, beliefs not our own. Much in the way I suspect the outside world is a sort of hologram in itself projected from the legion to keep us in prison. They suck our energy and we are indeed in a parasitic dynamic from infinite consciousness itself.

This is why we have the messiah, to bring order, truth and give us light. Its the justice of the creator. One to babylon, one to babylon...


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Re: The Factuals versus the Nabs

shiloh on July 27th 2014, 2:32 am
orthodoxymoron wrote:
shiloh wrote: Lol dear proxy Michael!

Notwithstanding the - to some - obvious Nabs related origin of the Lacerta files - created for a particular purpose by the human termed ptb label; there is of course rather a significant amount of intentionally obscured 'insider data' made public in this interview.

You might have one 'educated guess' or two as to where or what the 'ancient ancestors' or the creator of the Reptilians are and represent from the most ancient of almanacs. One somewhat misled nabs adherent, we have 'nicknamed' 'Alex the Great' was provided with some actual omniscientific 'insights' and information, which described just this 'missing link' in your discourse publisized here.

It has something to do with Black Holes as data emitters, but being triggered from the 12th dimension.

abraxasinas

PS.: Here is a public video, which has translated the 'Lacerta Interview' into audio.

Its origin is from a nabs site (http://www.alternativerealities.org/2012/02/lacerta-files-debunked.html), mostly 'believing' the account and misinterpreting the 'astral reality' of particular dimensional 'spacetime intersections' or 'twilight zones' and inhabited by human created memeplexed morphs and thoughtforms, with actual physical alien entities.

The statement, that the 'Lacertians' are actually native to the planet Earth is of course true; but a 'scientific fact', easily verified by anyone with enough 'insider information' regarding the Evolution of the human genotype from its multicellular origins 2,200 million years ago and including the Cambrian and Mesozoic 'creation of new lifeforms' explosions of so 600 and 250 million years ago.
After all, there are 4 'brains' and not just 3 as is 'believed' and measured even by the Terran scientists and researchers. You might know this as the Reptilian brainstem, enclosed by the mammalian midbrain and enveloped by the human topbrain or cortex. But around this anatomy is an 'auric' dragon brain, which allows the linear chronological evolvement to close in on itself and so ending the evolution from the brainstem to the braincrown.

Generally however, the 'Lacerta files' are akindred and a modernization of typical nabs information sponsored and 'encouraged' by the 'ptb'. The 'urantia book' and the 'terra files' and the 'star wars' agendas of say the Marciniak-Clow publications and most of the 'channelled information', freely available on a multitude of websites aligns with the 'Lacerta files' and represents a typical 50-50 distribution of 'true chronological-historical-scientific data' mirrored in utter untruth and disinformation, infused to confuse and 'control' the thinking processes of the projected 'readership' by the 'nabs sponsors of the ptb'.

To show a particular 'smoking gun' and also the relative naivety of the interviewer/commentator; I shall comment on this excerpt:


Question: In the letters that I got, there was often the question, whether you could go into any greater detail regarding the advanced physics that you commented on last time. Many people said, your words made no sense. For example, how do UFOs function, how do they fly, how do they perform the maneuvers that they do?

Answer: I ought to explain that to people? That's not all that simple. Let me think about it for a minute. I always have to use very simple words in order to make clear to you the basic principles of a higher kind of science. Let's try this: You have to be clear about some fundamental facts. The very first thing is that you must divide up the conception of the physical world because each existence consists of different layers; let's say for simplicity's sake that it consists of a material illusion and a sphere of influence. {TRANSLATOR'S NOTE: No legitimate translation exists for this word 'Feldraum'; "Feld" means "field," "Raum" means "space, room, expanse." Therefore, I'm translating it as "sphere of influence."}

Certain physical conditions are associated only with the realm of the material {as in 'concrete'}, while other and more complicated conditions are associated only with the sphere of influence of the material world. Your conception of the physical world is based upon a simple material illusion. That illusion is further subdivided into three elementary or basic conditions of matter. A fourth and very important condition also exists, which you simply pay attention to more or less as you choose; it is the one bordering on the sphere of influence or plasma realm.

For you, the theory for a controlled transformation or an elevation of the frequency of matter and the stable existence of this fourth aggregate condition of matter is not very common, or it exists at a very primitive level. (As an aside, there are simply five states of matter, but the post-plasma state would really be going too far and it would only serve to confuse you. Besides, it is not necessary for an understanding of the basic theory; it is connected with diverse phenomena which you would characterize as paranormal.)

Now, back to the essentials: Plasma...now, with plasma I don't mean just "hot gas"—as the concept is generally simplified by your people—but rather I mean a higher aggregate condition of matter. The plasma state of matter is a special form of matter which lies between its real existence and the sphere of influence, that is, a complete loss of mass and pure accretion of energy of various form whenever matter is "pushed or shoved." {NOTE: No explanation was given for the use of the word "pushed, shoved" as used in this context. Your guess is as good mine.}

The fourth state of matter is very important for certain physical conditions which can be used for example to...how should I express this to you...generate antigravity. (That's a rather strange human word and not really correct, but you ought to understand it better this way.) Essentially, in the world of real physics, there are no bipolar forces, but rather only "observer dependent reflective behavior" of a single, large unified force at different levels. With antigravity or the displacement of gravitational characteristics into levels, one can, for example, cause apparently solid matter to levitate; this method is employed partly by us and by extraterrestrials as well as a means of propulsion for their UFOs.

You people are moving on a really primitive level towards a similar principle for your secret military projects, but since you have more or less stolen this technology (and it was later falsely passed on to you intentionally by the extraterrestrials), you lack the real physical understanding; as a result, you have to struggle with problems of instability and radiation with your "UFOs". According to my information, there have been a great number of deaths of your people because of intense radiation and field disturbances. Don't you agree, this is also an example of the business regarding the question of "good" and "evil"? You people play with unknown forces

Note by Stephanie Relfe: We agree.

and thereby accept the death of colleagues of your own kind, for they are dying for a greater cause, namely, for the advancement of your technology, which as a result is being put into place once again for the purpose of war, i.e., for negative pursuits.

Note by Stephanie Relfe: Again, we agree.


The word 'Feldraum' has a specific meaning and can be translated as 'Fields of Spacetime'. It so represents the 'Unified Field' of Quantum Geometrical Gravitation, which is postulated by the Terran scientists to 'leak gravity' from the 5th dimension in advanced quantum mechanics and so describing the long sought after 'Quantum Gravity' as the 'Theory of all Physicality'.

The mentioned 'push of matter' is a VERY human concept in the history of physics and is known as 'Push Gravity' in a number of now outdated and 'debunked' physical theoretical context of researchers like Georges-Lois Le Sage, some 300 to 400 years ago. The 'mystifying' of a real ET technology as some form of previously rather human created and invented 'cosmic physics' related to the 'Unified Field of Quantum Physics' so exposes the human origin of this particular 'Lacertian-Reptilian' physics, say as applied to 'ufo technology'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage's_theory_of_gravitation)

The plasma fourth state of matter is indeed the threshold into the 5th state of the ice crystal-water droplet-water vapour-ionised Hydrogen towards the subatomic realm of what the molecular electron configuration H₂O represents say in its membrane or string based form from its say quantum geometric template function. However it is by no means 'incomprehensible' by the human mind, as this 'Lacertian female' infers rather a number of times in that interview. Rather the 5th dimension represents a well discussed concept hypothesized by the Terran cosmologists since the time of the Maxwell-Einstein revolution of the human physics community of the 20th century. But as the foundation of the higher dimensional physics (of say Membrane Theory in 11 dimensions)is not known in its elementary forms, it is often subject to more speculation and associated modelling, than is actually necessary. This Lacertian female appears to carry a rather significant amount of a 'human superiority complex' regarding the mental reality of the metaphysical-physical vesica pisces, cosmically foundated. This 'evidence' also exposes the origin of this ET-human contact discourse as a fundamentally human made event.
Thank-you Shiloh. This is what I like about posting on this site! I'd never get this sort of response on a Christian website! I think the finished product will be very interesting for Sirius Researchers! Once again, I don't immerse myself in the Thuban material -- but I sincerely attempt to understand what little I study -- and I try to incorporate some of it into the threads I create. I'm trying to remain Responsibly-Neutral toward Reptilians, Greys, Aliens, Hybrids, Nazis, Masons, and Jesuits!! (I just couldn't resist!) BTW -- I've been posting on a Christian-Site -- and I just made someone mad at me!! http://spectrummagazine.org/article/alden-thompson/2014/07/25/salvation

ME: Consider re-reading "Prophets and Kings" (Ellen White's last book -- published in 1917) regarding "Salvation in the Second-Half of the Old-Testament". Somewhat unrelatedly -- I say the following with the deepest respect (believe it or not)!! Imagine an integrated-combination of Kevin Paulson and Robert Schuller!! "The Me That I See is the Me That I'll Be!!!" "Tough Times Never Last -- But Tough People Do!!!" Final-Generation Perfection on Steroids!!! Perfection Possibility-Thinking!!! "I Can Do ALL Things With Inspiration and Perspiration!!"

THEM: While I have neither accepted nor rejected the LGT concept why is it that certain ones on the blog find it a subject of derision? Could it be that there is some truth in the LGT theology and that those excoriating it are figuratively kicking against the pricks as Paul was said to have done. Nowhere in what I read about LGT do I perceive it as a "do it yourself" program. And to continue using Paulson as a whipping boy is crass. Have a worshipful Sabbath.

ME: I actually spent four years at the Crystal Cathedral -- trying to transcend a somewhat negative past -- yet applying positive-thinking and self-esteem to character-development and Adventist ideas. What troubles me greatly is that very few individuals have a sense of humor (when it comes to religion). Your wishing me a "worshipful Sabbath" sounded disingenuous -- and a bit like the "derision" you are accusing me of. The combination of these two individuals and concepts is actually a serious proposal. I was attempting to do just such a thing -- until Robert H. Schuller yelled at me derisively in front of 30 or 40 visitors to the Crystal Cathedral -- and that was the end of that. I'm frankly tired of walking on eggshells -- and I have been speaking more freely -- regardless of whether anyone appreciates this, or not.

THEM: Exactly what did I accuse you of, Ortho? Indeed, I do wish all readers a worshipful Sabbath if they observe it. If not, that is their choice. Very frankly I have no idea of what you intend by suggesting a combination of Paulson and Schuller as I'm unacquainted with the latter's teachings although I have often seen his name.

ME: Of being "derisive and crass" (which was probably accurate and well-deserved). I knew Kevin many years ago -- and I know he can "take it" and "dish it out". I've witnessed several of his debates (which were always 'fun' to watch and listen to). Robert H. Schuller had a reformative (rather than normative) ministry -- but he was overly pompous and supercilious -- and made the ministry an "All in the Family" affair. I'm sure it did a lot of good (and a lot of harm) -- and there is a HUGE amount of unrealized-potential in that concept. It will be interesting to see what the Catholics do with the Crystal Cathedral. I once spoke with an SDA Minister who told me that he thought Schuller had it absolutely right. I was a Schuller fan at that point -- but I didn't say anything. I had serous reservations regarding Robert Schuller and the Crystal Cathedral. I thought that both Schuller and the SDA's were missing the boat BIG-TIME. I honestly think there is something significant to Realistic-Perfection and Possibility-Thinking. It's tough to be "Perfect" when you think you're a "Worm".

SOMEONE ELSE: I enjoyed listening to Robert Schuller. He handed out a lot of good advice. [His son tried to ACT too much like him. He was too fake. He needed to be himself. I didnt like his presentations, as he could do better]. I am attending this weekend a convention of Narcotic Addicts -- Narcotics Anonymous. One of the topics today was -- Is Abstaining the same as Recovery? The presenter as an Abstainer for 12 years, then stumbled, took her 3 years to come back to NA. Realized NA was a Spiritual Program dealing with Spiritual Problems. She now says she has experienced Recovery because she is dealing with her Addictions on a Spiritual level. Her presentation of before and after sounded a lot like Adventist Perfection that a lot of commenters have posted. I could see her " before" being preached to Youth Groups. I also got looking around at the group of 400, having "church", having "worship", saying Group Prayer in a tight hug after each speaker. It made me think -- HERE is the Remnant Church. Over the past 7 years i have been invited to attend both yearly AA and NA week end conventions around Georgia. They remind me of going to Campmeeting on Friday evening, all day Sabbath, Sunday morning. By Sunday morning I feel like I REALLY have been to a Campmeeting. I feel like I have been bathed in the Spirit of God. I know that by Sunday Morning I have SEEN and HEARD the Spirit of God working in lives from men and women, youth who have taken time to meet their Higher Power and claim His friendship every day through their daily readings, daily prayer of surrender.

ME: Robert H. Schuller's son was quite nice -- and I met him at his small church (Rancho Capistrano) -- but he didn't have the fire or articulateness of his father. Walter Martin told me "The Kid Doesn't Have It!" I think the Crystal Cathedral should've been turned into a Seminary -- with the Best and the Brightest recruited to gradually assume Robert H. Schuller's leadership (rather than relying on family-members).

I try to be nice and funny -- but they usually get mad at me!! I think I might've significantly angered a Significant Individual of Interest with some of my comments and activities this past week. The last time I felt particularly concerned regarding this individual was around the time of the Sandy Hook incident. That's all I'm going to say about that. I am extremely apprehensive about things in general. After the 2012 hype -- things have gotten "too quiet" -- with seemingly "irrational-exuberance". Here's some more material from elsewhere in this Mists of Avalon site:

RedEzra wrote:
orthodoxymoron wrote:I think there are very few individuals (good, evil, or indifferent) who are capable of properly understanding the absolutely truthful and complete history of this solar system.

The Bible is just Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth but it is also possible to predict the timing of important events like the return of Christ at the end of the age.

Some may try to throw around a bible verse saying nobody knows this but God and that was true 2000 years ago but not now... as I have shown in the very first post here.

Besides I can counter with a bible verse as well which says "but you brethren are not in darkness that the day would overtake you like a thief".

Well time will tell while time is running out and if one can see the signs of the times and the writings on the wall then one would know as well that time is up.
orthodoxymoron wrote:I never sense much love in connection with Apocalyptic-Salvation. It always seems to be a "Screw the Humans" sort of thing. I think the Bible should be read from cover to cover -- straight-through -- over and over -- without talking about it (much) -- and without following it directly in modernity. I think it takes a HUGE amount of study and reflection to gain any accurate idea of the true history and nature of this solar system. I've tried to pursue an unconventional approach to solar system studies (within this website) and it's just about completely destroyed what little was left of me. I still think there is something to combining the Torah with Revelation to properly understand what seems to be two sides of the same coin. I still think this world has been ruled with secrecy, deception, corruption, and force (for thousands of years) -- for legitimate and/or illegitimate reasons. I just think the REAL history and reality is too messy, complex, and upsetting for 99.9% of the population to properly digest and understand. I've tried to toughen-up myself and others with my strange and upsetting threads within this website (which I've called a "Galactic Boot-Camp"). I think City-State Theologians know the Whole-Story -- but they don't talk about it much.
Here is an interesting-looking discussion of The Lacerta Files. http://www.alternativerealities.org/2012/02/lacerta-files-debunked.html Once again, I'm not endorsing anyone or anything. I know that I don't know. I simply present a potpourri of alternative-material (with some comments by me). This is a mental and spiritual gymnasium -- and NOT The Answer. Don't forget to listen to Sherry Shriner!! http://sherrytalkradio.com/

"Something's Fishy About This Head!!"​

Dear proxy Michael!

Your honesty regarding your 'self believed' approach to material such as the Lacerta files is commendable. However your response allows me to clarify the situation regarding the Lacerta files in a little more depth. It is because of your response, that the Thuban Elders have agreed to 'illuminate' the perusers of your threads in a way, which might make a little sense to your readership.
You really do portray a magnificent exemplar for any TRUE ET to 'study' the immense ability of the human mentality to deceive itself in its sincere self-belief of 'doing the right and honourable thing' and of being mentally rational and balanced in its attempt to analyse material presented by 'pretend' aliens, irrespective of the nature of those 'aliens' of being native terrestrial 'other' species' like the 'Lacertians' and of a humanoid genotype or actually of a true Extra-Terrestrial origin.

So I challenge you in simply posing a few questions for you, which I am sure your research and understanding will be quite able to answer to your own satisfaction.

1. Did you become aware as to how prevalent Lacerta's comments regarding the human readerships disbelief with respect to the material presented would be? And then did you ever hear of contra intelligence and the utility of something called 'reverse psychology', namely to state the negative conclusion to stimulate a positive response?

2. What do you conclude about a technically advanced species in the universe, which has mastered antigravitational spacecraft and enabled to travel at tachyonic superluminal velocities and its requirement of resources like Copper or Gold? If there are millions of 'rocky' planets in the Milky Way galaxy alone and the physical nature of nucleosynthesis, if well understood by human science, then by inference also by the super advanced 'alien' race - would this technological aware species not be able to mine the Copper and the Iridium and the Gold on the many uninhabited 'rocky' planets found in many star systems? This 'alien' species would fully understand where the raw material found on the Earth came from originally, namely the emission of supernovae 'seeding' their stellar environments with 'raw materials' to just repeat how the local solar system was created, namely from a planetary nebula and its derivatives and associations and in the life cycles of the birth and death of stars, say as defined even by human astrophysicist in say the 'Herzsprung sequences'?

3. Did you discern the latter part of the Lacerta files in the second interview, when the 'Reptoid Queen' ; (no your Sherry Shriner is no such being as a self deluded crackpot of the 'highest order' and neither is your Ellen White, more akin an ancestor of the openly discredited and exposed channeler genre of the likes of J.Z. Knight and Dorothy Murdock of the 'Ramtha feel good' and Zeitgeist 'fame' respectively), actually spoke of a 'real science' but vehemently and continually discredited the human mind to understand any of it? And can you then ask the question as why this would be so? Could it be to 'make it appear' that the human mind of even the most thorough scientists would be diverted to actually translate Lacerta's Reptilian science into a terminology of Terran scientific jargon, which could then be actually discussed and dissected by university researchers and REAL scientists? Was Lacerta a little worried of 'saying too much' or to expose 'too much echeloner data from the ptb' and from where this Lacerta information derived from in the first place?

4. Can you 'read between the words' of Lacerta, when discussing the technology of UFOs and when a REAL connection to the Roswell incident of 1947 and say the Belgian triangular spacecraft was addressed? Can you then discern that there is in fact much truth and validity to much of the science and the history which is derived from the Lacerta files; BUT that this data is presented in a way, which cloaks the VERY human engagement in the 'technology' hidden from the public views?

5. Can you 'read between the lines' of the Lacerta files, when human belief systems are addressed and the political-military complex? Can you then 'see', that all the information, scientific and historical found in the Lacerta files COULD very easily be almost all created by the 'hidden HUMAN agenda' of this military socio-economic agenda?

6. Did the dismissal of Lacerta of an asteroid impact in the Yucatan at the end of the Mesozoic era (Cretaceous epoch) and ending so 64 million years ago not relate the Iridium element to a 'nuclear winter' causing the extinction? And are you aware, that this was a debate in the paleontological sciences for many years and so the Iridium-asteroid impact-nuclear winter associations are a VERY Human science and model and do not require 'elucidation' by a subterranean 'Reptoid super race'?

My last question posed, I do not expect you to answer; but this question relates to the scientific content of the Lacerta files. Once made 'clear' and without ANY 'alien' obscurations of the wordings; would you say, that there would be rather a number of qualified and capable scientists on the planet of the humans, who could 'make sense' of the 'Reptoid Science' if it were a valid science? And I do not mean quack quasi 'scientists' you find in the you tube videos and on many forums, who like to 'sound intelligent and scientific', but often with an agenda, which exposes their 'real science ignorance' in avenues like 'Einstein was wrong' and 'Newton did not understand' and 'there are no Black Holes' and 'the Big Bang theory is false and either a Vatican-Jesuit or western Roman Empire Conspiracy'.

Thuban science understands the Lacertian science rather well. It understands the 'Feldraum' as the 'Unified Field' many nabsers associate with 'hidden knowledge' of Einstein-Tesla equations and the 'Philadelphia experiment' and many such 'sequestered scientific breakthroughs'. And so the agenda of the 'Reptoid Queen' became rather rapidly exposed in the Council of Thuban. Our Omni-scientists understood that the 'Lacertian science' was rather a 'forbidden look' of the general population into the 'occulted' very HUMAN science of the 'echeloners'. The echeloners are what the nabsers term the ptb and the 'illuminated ones of the the Lucis trust'. Little do the nabsers know about just what the 'echeloners' are really on about. Can you bear the truth dear one? Namely that the 'Luciferians' are rather interested in the things the mainstream media ridicules and dismisses. Such things as biblical prophecy and number codes and the 'paranormal' and the ET-Ufologies of course. Well as Lacerta said very succinctly; "There is no such thing as the supernatural. All apparent 'magic' is simply an advanced science of the mind and focused on consciousness-awareness".

There is a little booklet, which is the most kept secret and this 'little book' is like the 'Ark of the Covenant' of films and novels.
But this 'Ark' is filled with a treasure beyond human imagination and dreams, because the 'understanding of it' would render the 'echeloner' a creator of the universe and as the galaxies and the stars and the planets and the life found on and within them all recycle and so 'die' - BUT the encompassing universe is eternal as the forest from the seeds and the original seed for the trees and the forest - the echeloners are literally falling backwards to discount this little book in all avenues of expressed interest. And so both the theologians and the historians and the academics and all 'authorities' a normal human person would look towards to obtain information about this little book is discouraged with the utmost urgency by the 'illuminated ones'.
This is of course, because the echeloners have unlimited access to whatever information can be found on Gaia and including 'hidden libraries of Alexandria and the Vatican' and the sequestered artifacts of the discoveries, which ought to be shared publically, but become classified with access even denied to the majority of academics, which would be qualified to analyse and study those artifacts. The echeloners are rather jealous as to anyone 'knowing or understanding' any more about the little book then they do with their unlimited accesses and their lack of any restraints regarding fiscality or time to follow their pursuits. You have commented on this little book dear proxy Michael and as expected, you have followed the 'expert advice' and dismissed this little book because of it. Your correspondent Susan Zebulon has mentioned it to you and I can say to you that the Thuban Council does indeed know things about this little book no party on the planet of the humans and including ALL echeloners do. And the experts on it are no experts and therefore any human enquirers will be unable to obtain actual information about this little book and what its content might mean.

And so my last word of advice to you is to BLEND the contents of this little book with your thorough reading of the New Testament in particular. And one other advice for you dear one. You recall my 'dismissal' of Sherry Shriner as a valid source of data for your enquiries. Why did I criticize her nous so harshly? I could do so, because her dismissal of the Pauline letters exposes her scriptural ignorance on a first examination of her words. A dismissal of Paul in the NT is one of the best and most rapid disqualifiers of whoever dismisses the rather deeply encoded and esoteric description by underinformed and human minded egocentricities based on exoteric literalism of the encoded passages. You might be aware that there is a deep 'hatred of Christianity' occurring on a global level and many who deny the projecting author of the little book don't even know why they hate and dislike his very name so much.
I give you a hint you can research for yourself and a nous you will not be able to find in the human analysis of the NT from the experts of the theological or the historical-academic perspectives alike. This 'antichrist' agenda is not restricted to the western realms on the planet either, it also occurs in the eastern world of other global religious philosophies as you might find out, for yourself, should you research this matter.

Examine the Pauline letters and notice that the pre-resurrection Christ is always named Jesus CHRIST. This is the one who ascends after the resurrection and the 40 days to sit at the RIGHT side of the Father in Heaven. Paul then calls this the LORD Jesus CHRIST. But the second coming inference is called as the Jesus sitting on the LEFT of the Father as the co-ascended Mary Magdalene as the CHRIST Jesus. So the first coming is as a man, but the second coming is as something else. And this might allow you to answer a scriptural question, which is obvious in Revelation 12, but again not debated or 'pulpited' by the 'experts'.
How can the ascended MAN Jesus suddenly become a BABY Jesus, which is to rule all nations with a rod of iron, in 'his' second coming? Might it be that a mysterious passage at the tomb of Easter Sunday, when Mary Magdalene was told NOT to touch Jesus before his ascension to the father and that the 'born again' Jesus is none other than the Right Christ 'married' to the Left Christ and so 'explaining' why the ascension of BOTH, must precede its 'heavenly wedding of the sacred alchemy' or blending? And might the last saying in the little book describing the maleness requirement of Mary Magdalene then allow you to link the little book with the NT?

You would experience soothings and a peace of mind dear one; should you study the NT and the 'Little Book' with new eyes to see and new ears to hear and to dismiss the 'Daughter of David' who Sherry is with all female incarnates by the way into the Reptoid-conspiratorial human mind delusions and self created hell she has manifested for herself. There is no need for you to visit Sherry and the many kindred spirits of her aquaintances in this place of 'mental purgatory'. You have the choice of searching and finding much greener and more peaceful locations, should you consider the words of the Real Jesus and the 'red lettered one' and not the fake one of the 'false prophets' antichrist, as one potent archetype and symbol within the human created matrix of denying its own cosmic birthright and starseeded Draconian Inheritances.
I bid you a time of mental peace and harmonies.

abraxasinas


Posted Aug 13th, 2014

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• Post n°2

Why are the Giants so quiet?

Aquaries1111 on Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:16 pm

Giant Human Remains​

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- From records and sources all over the world (by John Williams)

Giant Skeletons:

In his book, The Natural and Aboriginal History of Tennessee, author John Haywood describes "very large" bones in stone graves found in Williamson County, Tennessee, in 1821. In White County, Tennessee, an "ancient fortification" contained skeletons of gigantic stature averaging at least 7 feet in length.


Giant skeletons were found in the mid-1800s near Rutland and Rodman, New York. J.N. DeHart, M.D. found vertebrae "larger than those of the present type" in Wisconsin mounds in 1876. W.H.R. Lykins uncovered skull bones "of great size and thickness" in mounds of Kansas City area in 1877.


George W. Hill, M.D., dug out a skeleton "of unusual size" in a mound of Ashland County, Ohio. In 1879, a nine-foot, eight-inch skeleton was
excavated from a mound near Brewersville, Indiana (Indianapolis News, Nov 10, 1975).


A six foot, six inch skeleton was found in a Utah mound. This was at least a foot taller than the average Indian height in the area, and these natives- what few there were of them -were not mound builders.


"A skeleton which is reported to have been of enormous dimensions" was found in a clay coffin, with a sandstone slab containing hieroglyphics, during mound explorations by a Dr Everhart near Zanesville, Ohio. (American Antiquarian, v3, 1880, pg61).


Ten skeletons "of both sexes and of gigantic size" were taken from a mound at Warren, Minnesota, 1883. (St. Paul Pioneer Press, May 23, 1883)
A skeleton 7 feet 6 inches long was found in a massive stone structure that was likened to a temple chamber within a mound in Kanawha County, West Virginia, in 1884. (American Antiquarian, v6, 1884 133f. Cyrus Thomas, Report on Mound Explorations of the Bureau of Ethnology, 12th Annual Report, Smithsonian Bureau of Ethnology, 1890-91).


A large mound near Gasterville, Pennsylvania, contained a vault in which was found a skeleton measuring 7 feet 2 inches. Inscriptions were carved on the vault. (American Antiquarian, v7, 1885, 52f).


In 1885, miners discovered the mummified remains of woman measuring 6 feet 8 inches tall holding an infant. The mummies were found in a cave behind a wall of rock in the Yosemite Valley.


In Minnesota, 1888, were discovered remains of seven skeletons 7 to 8 feet tall. (St. Paul Pioneer Press, June 29, 1888).


A mound near Toledo, Ohio, held 20 skeletons, seated and facing east with jaws and teeth "twice as large as those of present day people," and besides each was a large bowl with "curiously wrought hieroglyphic figures."
(Chicago Record, Oct. 24, 1895; cited by Ron G. Dobbins, NEARA Journal, v13, fall 1978).


The skeleton of a huge man was uncovered at the Beckley farm, Lake Koronis, Minnesota; while at Moose Island and Pine City, bones of other giants came to light. (St. Paul Globe, Aug. 12, 1896).


In 1911, several red-haired mummies ranging from 6 and a half feet to 8 feet tall were discovered in a cave in Lovelock, Nevada.
In February and June of 1931, large skeletons were found in the Humboldt lake bed near Lovelock, Nevada. The first of these two skeletons found measured 8 1/2 feet tall and appeared to have been wrapped in a gum-covered fabric similiar to the Egyptian manner. The second skeleton was almost 10 feet long. (Review - Miner, June 19, 1931).


A 7 foot 7 inch skeleton was reported to have been found on the Friedman ranch, near Lovelock, Nevada, in 1939.(Review - Miner, Sept. 29, 1939)
In 1965, a skeleton measuring 8 feet 9 inches was found buried under a rock ledge along the Holly Creek in east-central Kentucky.


AUSTRALIAN GIANTS:

There was a race or group of people found in Australia called "meganthropus" by anthropologists. These people were of very large size--estimated between 7 to 12 feet tall, depending on what source you read. These people were found with mega tool artifacts, so their humaness is difficult to question.
Four jaw fragments and thousands of teeth have been found in China of "gigantopithecus blacki"--named after the discover. Based on the size of the teeth and deep jaws, its size has been estimated at around 10 feet and as tall as 12 feet, 1200 pounds.


PROOF OF AUSTRALIAN GIANTS:

In old river gravels near Bathurst, NSW, huge stone artifacts -- clubs, pounders, adzes, chisels, knives and hand axes -- all of tremendous weight, lie scattered over a wide area. These weigh anything from 8, 10, 15, to 21 and 25 pounds, implements which only men of tremendous proportions could possibly have made and used. Estimates for the actual size of these men range from 10 to 12 feet tall and over, weighing from 500 to 600 lbs.
A fossicker searching the Winburndale River north of Bathurst discovered a large quartzitised fossil human molar tooth, far too big for any normal modern man. A similar find was made near Dubbo, N.S.W.


Prospectors working in the Bathurst district in the 1930's frequently reported coming across numerous large human footprints fossilised in shoals of red jasper.


Even more impressive were fossil deposits found by naturalist Rex Gilroy around Bathurst. He excavated from a depth of 6 feet (2 m) below the surface a fossil lower back molar tooth measuring 67 mm in length by 50mm. x 42 mm across the crown. If his measurements are correct, the owner would have been at least 25 ft. tall, weighing well over 1,000 lbs!


At Gympie, Queensland, a farmer, Keith Walker, was ploughing his field when he turned up the large fragment of the back portion of a jaw which still possessed the hollow for a missing lower back molar tooth. This is now in Rex GiIroy's possession. The owner of the tooth would have stood at 10 feet tall.


In the Megalong Valley in the Blue Mountains NSW, a Mr P. Holman found in ironstone protruding from a creek bank the deeply impressed print of a large human-like foot. The print was that of the instep, with all 5 toes clearly shown. This footprint measures 7 inches across the toes. Had the footprint been complete it would have been at least 2 feet (60 cm in length, appropriate to a 12 foot human. However, the largest footprint found on the Blue Mountains must have belonged to a man 20 feet tall!


A set of 3 huge footprints was discovered near Mulgoa, south of Penrith, N.S.W. These prints, each measuring 2 ft long and 7 inches across the toes, are 6 ft. apart, indicating the stride of the 12 ft. giant who left them.
These prints were preserved by volcanic lava and ash flows which "occurred millions of years" before man is supposed to have appeared on the Australian continent (if one is to believe the evolutionary theory):
Noel Reeves found monstrous footprints near Kempsey, N.S.W. in sandstone beds on the Upper Macleay River. One print shows toe 4 inches (10cm) long and the total toe-span is 10 inches (25cm) - suggesting that the owner of the print may have been 17 feet tall.


It is certain the Aborigines were not the first to reach Australia.
Anthropologists maintain mainland Aborigines are in fact quite recent arrivals that ate their precessors who were akin to the New Guinea natives.
Aborigine themselves admit in their ancient folklore that this land was inhabited by several groups of men, as well as giants, before they settled
here.


MORE GIANT RECORDS:

In an old book entitled "History And Antiquities Of Allerdale," there is an account of a giant found in Cumberland, England, at an unknown date in the middle ages. Called "A True Report of Hugh Hodson, of Thorneway," it states:
"The said gyant was buried four yards deep in the ground, which is now a corn field. He was four yards and a half long, and was in complete armour; his sword and battle-axe lying by him....his teeth were six inches long, and two inches broad...." The bones of a twelve foot tall man were dug up in 1833 by a group of soldiers at Lompock Rancho, California. The skeleton was surrounded by giant weapons, and the skull featured a double row of teeth.
Yet another giant was unearthed in 1891, when workmen in Crittenden, Arizona excavated a huge stone coffin that had evidently once held the body of a man 12 feet tall. A carving on the granite case indicated that he had six toes.


A living giant was sighted in the little village of Buffalo Mills, Pennsylvania, on August 19, 1973. A man at least nine feet tall strode down
the main street of the village, dressed in strange clothing, which appeared to be made of some sort of shimmering material. He gazed at the startled townspeople in a dark, penetrating way and then loped off casually into oblivion.


OTHER GIANT EVIDENCES:

In July, 1877, four prospectors were looking for gold and silver outcroppings in a desolate, hilly area near the head of Spring Valley, not
far from Eureka, Nevada.


Scanning the rocks, one of the men spotted something peculiar projecting from a high ledge. Climbing up to get a better look, the prospector was surprised to find a human legbone and knee cap sticking out of solid rock.
He called to his companions, and together they dislodged the oddity with picks. Realizing they had a most unusual find, the men brought it into
Eureka, where it was placed on display.


The stone in which the bones were embedded was a hard, dark red quartzite, and the bones themselves were almost black with carbonization - indicative of great age. When the surrounding stone was carefully chipped away, the specimen was found to be composed of a leg bone broken off four inches above the knee, the knee cap and joint, the lower leg bones, and the complete bones of the foot. Several medical doctors examined the remains, and were convinced that anatomically they had indeed once belonged to a human being, and a very modern-looking one.


But an intriguing aspect of the bones was their size: from knee to heel they measured 39 inches. Their owner in life had thus stood over 12 feet tall.
Compounding the mystery further was the fact that the rock in which the bones were found was dated geologically to the era of the dinosaurs, the Jurassic - over 185 million years old. The local papers ran several stories on the marvelous find, and two museums sent investigators to see if any more of the skeleton could be located. Unfortunately, nothing else but the leg and foot existed in the rock." Strange Relics from the Depths of the Earth--Jochmans http://www.ior.com/~kjc/pages/strange.htm


EVEN MORE RECORDS OF GIANTS:

In 1936 Larson Kohl, the German paleontologist and anthropologist, found the bones of gigantic men on the shore of Lake Elyasi in Central Africa. Other giant skeletons were later found in Hava, the Transvaal and China. The evidence for the existence of giants is incontrovertible. "A scientifically assured fact," says Dr. Louis Burkhalter.

1. Large bones in stone graves in Williamson County and White County, Tennessee. Discovered in the early 1800s, the average stature of
these giants was 7 feet tall.
2. Giant skeletons found in the mid-1800s in New York state near Rutland and Rodman.
3. In 1833, soldiers digging at Lompock Rancho, California, discovered a male skeleton 12 feet tall.
The skeleton was surrounded by caved shells, stone axes, other artifacts.
The skeleton had double rows of upper and lower teeth.
Unfortunately, this body was secretly buried because the local Indians became upset about the remains.
4. A giant skull and vertebrae found in Wisconsin and Kansas City.
5. A giant found off the California Coast on Santa Rosa Island in the 1800s was distinguished by its double rows of teeth.
6. A 9-foot, 8-inch skeleton was excavated from a mount near Brewersville, Indiana, in 1879.
7. Skeletons of "enormous dimensions" were found in mounds near Zanesville, Ohio, and Warren, Minnesota, in the 1880s.
8. In Clearwater Minnesota, the skeletons of seven giants were found in mounds. These had receding foreheads and complete double dentition.
9. At Le Crescent, Wisconsin, mounds were found to contain giant bones. Five miles north near Dresbach, the bones of people over 8 feet tall were found.
10. In 1888 seven skeletons ranging from seven to 8 feet tall were discovered.
11. Near Toledo, Ohio, 20 skeletons were discovered with jaws and teeth "twice as large as those of present day people."
The account also noted that odd hieroglyphics were found with the bodies.
12. Miners in Lovelock Cave, California, discovered a very tall, red-haired mummy In 1911
13. This mummy eventually went to a fraternal lodge where it was used for "initiation purposes."
14. In 1931, skeletons from 8 ½ to 10 feet long were found in the Humbolt lake bed in California.
15. In 1932, Ellis Wright found human tracks in the gypsum rock at White Sands, New Mexico
His discovery was later backed up by Fred Arthur, Supervisor of the Lincoln National Park and others who reported that each footprint was 22 inches long and from 8 to 10 inches wide. They were certain the prints were human in origin due to the outline of the perfect prints coupled with a readily apparent instep.
16. During World War II, author Ivan T. Sanderson tells of how his crew was bulldozing through sedimentary rock when it stumbled upon what appeared to be a graveyard.
In it were crania that measured from 22 to 24 inches from base to crown nearly three times as large as an adult human skull.
Had the creatures to whom these skulls belonged been properly proportioned, they undoubtedly would have been at least 12 feet tall or taller.
17. In 1947 a local newspaper reported the discovery of nine-foot-tall skeletons by amateur archeologists working in Death Valley.
18. The archeologists involved also claimed to have found what appeared to be the bones of tigers and dinosaurs with the human remains.
19. The Catalina Islands, off California, are the home of dwarf mammoth bones that were once roasted in ancient fire pits.
These were roasted and eaten by human-like creatures who were giants with double rows of teeth.


THE KOSSUTH GIANTS:

Kossuth: October was a month of some excitement in scientific circles as seven strange and gigantic mummies were discovered just outside of Kossuth Center. Marvin Rainwater, a local farmer, had been digging a new well on his property and struck a deposit of very hard stone about nine feet below the topsoil. In attempting to dig it out, he found that it was more than four feet wide in every direction. Removing it would be a terrific chore. He considered the possibility that this was a layer of bedrock, but that would certainly be odd that close to the surface. Further, being somewhat familiar with geologic deposits, he knew that the stone was not the familiar limestone for which such Eastern Iowa areas like Stone City are famous. This was something else entirely. Upon close inspection Rainwater also saw that the stone was not as rough as might be expected in a natural formation, but was in fact smooth and polished. Now very curious as to the nature of the find, he called several friends from surrounding farms and they began an excavation. They discovered that it was not a single stone, but rather one of at least several irregularly cut slabs stretching out over a wide area, yet fitted so tightly together that not even a knife blade could be put between them. Each slab measured roughly 8'x10', and when struck with a sledge seemed to ring with a hollowness that might indicate this was not a floor but the outside portion of a ceiling. Rainwater wondered if he had not stumbled upon some sort of buried stone structure on his property.
Believing that here might be a way to parlay living other than farming if he played his cards right, Mr. Rainwater contacted Georg Von Podebrad College, who in turn dispatched a team of archeologists, anthropologists, and geologists to the site. The researchers were delighted with the anomalies presented them.
Firstly, the stone was not at all native to Iowa, but was in fact basalt-a hard, dense volcanic rock composed of plagioclase, augite, and magnetite.
The type of stone used by the Egyptians to build their massive monuments.
The depth of the slabs indicated that they had been there for a very long time, predating the advent of the kind of modern transportation and heavy machinery needed to bring such a large quantity of foreign stone to Iowa, and quite probably the slabs had been laid down before the last glacial age.
It is impossible to gauge with any certainty just how long they had been there. After the soil covering the slabs had been entirely removed, the
area covered by the stones was a perfect square measuring 188 feet on each side. Digging around the perimeter revealed that Rainwater had been correct, the structure did go deeper into the ground. The cyclopean structure was revealed to be a pyramid similar in shape to one located at Marietta, Ohio, although those mounds and monuments erected by the prehistoric Indians were made of sun dried brick mixed with rushes. This technique, too, is curiously similar to the Egyptian technique of brick making with straw and mud. It took many months, but the entire structure was finally exposed, and on the eastern side was found a massive filled in archway with strong resemblance to those of ancient Greece. At the bottom of the arch was a smaller arch, measuring only 6' to the capstone. This too had been filled in and blocked off. With genuine awe and some hesitancy the scientists of the Rainwater Site began the work of opening the smaller entryway, wondering what light
from the first torch penetrated the gloom of the ancient structure, Albert Grosslockner gasped at what he thought were seven huge and exquisitely detailed statues seated in a ring around a very large and deep fire pit.
Moving closer, he realized that the figures were not carved of stone, but were in fact the mummified remains of some giant humanoid race.

Could what they found be in fact a prehistoric burial vault for some pre-human creatures or was it a prison designed to hold some freakish aberration of nature? The figures, were each fully ten feet tall even when measured seated in their cross-legged positions. They all faced into the circle with arms folded across their legs. Upon close examination it was seen that they had double rows of teeth in their upper and lower jaws. The foreheads were unusually low and sloping, with exceedingly prominent brows. The skin of the mysterious giants was wrinkled and tough, as though tanned, and the hair of each of them was distinctly red in color. Their faces, still very expressive even in death, taunted the scientists with their silence. Who, or what, were these creatures, how had they come to be locked in this stone room, and where had the stone itself come from originally? After careful excavation of the site, the bodies were removed for x-ray and autopsy examination. The excitement over the find was far in excess of the "Gypsum Man" find in Iowa so many years before-a hoax from which the Putnam Museum of Davenport had never fully recovered from. These giants were very real. The medical examinations demonstrated that there was definite skeletal structure, that they were organic creatures who had once been very much alive. One explanation for the mummies might lie in the legends of the Paiute Indians who tell of a race of red-haired giants who were their mortal enemies centuries ago. They were called the Si-Te-Cahs, driven from Nevada by a previously unheard of alliance of tribes. Did the Si-Te-Cahs retreat from the west to Iowa? Was the stone structure here before and simply co-opted by the giants? No one may ever know, however it is interesting to note that among the Indian relics held in the Kossuth County chapter of the State Historical Society are three robes made entirely from very long strands of red hair. We await DNA comparisons of samples taken from the mummies and the robes to determine a connection. In the mean-time, Marvin Rainwater has had his farm purchased by interested parties in Hopkins Grove for an undisclosed sum, and is quite happily no longer toiling in his fields or digging wells.


GIANT SKULLS FOUND:

Ivan T. Sanderson, a well-known zoologist and frequent guest on Johnny Carson's TONIGHT SHOW in the 1960s (usually with an exotic animal with a pangolin or a lemur), once related a curious story about a letter he received regarding an engineer who was stationed on the Aleutian island of Shemya during World War II. While building an airstrip, his crew bulldozed a group of hills and discovered under several sedimentary layers what appeared to be human remains. The Alaskan mound was in fact a graveyard of gigantic human remains, consisting of crania and long leg bones. The crania measured from 22 to 24 inches from base to crown. Since an adult skull normally measures about eight inches from back to front, such a large crania would imply an immense size for a normally proportioned human. Furthermore, every skull was said to have been neatly trepanned (a process of cutting a hole in the upper portion of the skull).


In fact, the habit of flattening the skull of an infant and forcing it to grow in an elongated shape was a practice used by ancient Peruvians, the
Mayas, and the Flathead Indians of Montana. Sanderson tried to gather further proof, eventually receiving a letter from another member of the unit who confirmed the report. The letters both indicated that the Smithsonian Institution had collected the remains, yet nothing else was heard. Sanderson seemed convinced that the Smithsonian Institution had received the bizarre relics, but wondered why they would not release the data. He asks, ""...is it that these people cannot face rewriting all the textbooks?""


GIANT FOOTPRINTS:

In South Africa, a giant footprint of a woman measuring over 4 feet long has been carbon dated at aproximately 9 million years old. Pointing to the probability of this being a female human-like species' foot, proportionally the two-legged being would need to be some 30 feet tall! The local African people commonly refer to this as a highly revered and sacred site. Giants, twice the size of gorillas, were found in Java.


The petrified remains of a giant were found in South Africa. A well-known anthropologist declared that these remains showed that these man's ancestors must have been giants.


GIANT DEVILS:

Within an ancient burial mound near the town of Sayre in Bradford County, Pennsylvania, skeletons measuring approximately 7 feet in length were discovered in the 1800s. But the most remarkable feature of these tall skeletons was not their height, but the strange horn-like protrusions above the brow region on their skulls. It was estimated that they were buried around 1200 AD. According to some sources, the skeletons were sent to the "American Investigating Museum" in Philadelphia, and vanished.


REVISED ARTICLES:

In Lampec-Rancho California, in 1833, soldiers discovered a skeleton 11' 9'' long which was covered with boulders with an unidentified writing. A similar writing was unearthed on the isle of Santa Maria off the cost of Los Angeles. In July of 1887 in Eureka Nevada, a human leg was found measuring 38.9 inches form the knee to the heel. The man was over 11 foot tall. In Crittenton Arizona in 1891 a sarcophagus was uncovered containing a human 3 meters high and had 12 toes. More recently skeletons ranging from 2.8 meters to 3.12 meters were found by soviets in the Caucasus Mountains. In China skeletons 10 feet tall have been found. In the Philippines a giant human skeleton was found at gargation, Measuring 17 feet long. In the Eagle three Cole mine at Bear Creek Montana in 1920 two human molars were found three times larger than normal. In Braton Tennessee human footprints were found in solid rock 33 inches log and one foot wide. These also have six toes each.
Tools found in Morocco are so large their users must have been at least 12 foot tall. Other Giants found around the world are: the Java giant, the south China giant, and the South Africa giant. (See The Timeless Earth p. 26)

In 1833,soldiers digging a pit for a powder magazine at Lompock Rancho, California, hacked their way through a layer of cemented gravel and
came up with the skeleton of a giant man about twelve feet tall. The skeleton was surrounded by carved shells, huge stone axes, and blocks of porphyry covered with unintelligible symbols. The giant was also noteworthy in still another respect :He had a double row of teeth, both upper and lower.
When the natives began to attach some religious significance to the find, authorities ordered the skeleton and all the artifacts secretly reburied-
and , of course ,lost to the scientific study they deserved.


This particular giant, incidentally, bore marked similarity to another, that of a giant man with double rows of teeth whose skeletal remains were dug up on Santa Rosa Island, off the California coast. Subsequent research has shown that he, or his descendants, feasted on the small elephants which once lived on that island and which have vanished like the giants who ate them, countless ages ago.


Near Crittenden, Arizona, in 1891, workmen excavating for a commercial building came upon a huge stone sarcophagus eight feet below the surface. The contractor called in expert help, and the sarcophagus was opened to reveal a granite mummy case which had once held the body of a human being more than twelve feet tall -a human with six toes, according to the carving of the case. But the body had been buried so many thousands of years that it had long since turned to dust. Just another silent witness to the truth of Genesis, which tells us that there were giants in the earth in those days, the excavation of over a dozen skeletons 8 to 12 feet tall, around the world, shocked archeologists.


These skeletons were positively human. Some of these skeletal remains are on Maui in lava caves near Ulupalakua and Olowalu. An example of this is the "mysterious" disappearance of more than 50 perfectly kept gigantic antediluvian skeletons (between 10-14 feet tall) found in a cave in Arizona.

Earth Giants : over the years a number of gigantic human skeletons have been unearthed. The most distinctive of these were the remains of some American giants found in the 1880s at Tioga Point, near Sayre in Bradford County, Pennsylvania, as recounted by Robert Lyman in Forbidden Land. Some other examples include the following:

A decayed human skeleton claimed by eyewitnesses to measure around 3.28 metres (10 feet 9 inches tall), was unearthed by labourers while ploughing a vineyard in November 1856 in East Wheeling, now in West Virginia.

A human skeleton measuring 3.6 metres (12 foot) tall was unearthed at Lompock Rancho, California, in 1833 by soldiers digging in a pit for a
powder magazine. The specimen had a double row of teeth and was surrounded by numerous stone axes, carved shells and porphyry blocks with abstruse symbols associated with it.

Several mummified remains of red haired humans ranging from 2-2.5 metres (6.5 feet to over 8 feet) tall were dug up at Lovelock Cave, (70 miles) north-east of Reno, Nevada, by a guano mining operation. These bones substantiated legends by the local Piute Indians regarding giants which they called Si-Te-Cahs. For some reason scientists did not seem to want to investigate these finds further so many of the bones were lost. Fortunately one of the giant Lovelock skulls is still preserved today. It measures almost 30cm (1 foot) tall and resides along with other various Lovelock artefacts in the Humboldt Museum in Winnemucca, Nevada. Some of these artefacts can also be found in the Nevada State Historical Society's museum at Reno.



THE HUBBARD DISCOVERY:

In this magazine for September, 1923, we mentioned a reported discovery by Mr. Samuel Hubbard, of remains of giants in the Grand Canyon of Arizona.
Owing to press unreliability, we did not notice this to a great extent. We have now, however, obtained more knowledge on the subject, and there remains no doubt that Mr. Hubbard has actually made a discovery composed of the following parts:


(a) Petrified bodies of two human beings about 18 and 15 feet in height respectively. One of these is buried under a recent rock fall which would require several days' work to remove; the other, of which Mr. Hubbard took photographs, is in a crevice of difficult accessibility. The bodies are formed of a limestone petrification embedded in sandstone.


(b) An ancient beach, now sandstone, containing a great number of footprints of a giant race, men, women and children; the prints of adults about 17 to 20 inches in length, and corresponding in size and shape to the Carson City and Blue Ridge prints.


EVEN MORE GIANT RECORDS:

According to a press clipping, dated Nayarit, Mexico, May 14, 1926, Capts.
D. W. Page and F. W. Devalda discovered the bones of a race of giants who averaged over ten feet in height. Local legends state that they came from Ecuador. Nothing more has been heard of this, but that is not surprising; the word "giant" will flutter the feathers of any scientist into rapid flight, metaphorically speaking, in the opposite direction. So also with a report from the Washington Post, June 22, 1925, and the New York Herald-Tribune, June 21, 1925. A mining party, it is reported, found skeletons measuring 10 to 12 feet, with feet 18 to 20 inches long, near Sisoguiche, Mexico. The Los Angeles Times, October 2, 1927, says that explorers in Mexico located large human bones near Tapextla, indicating a race of "gigantic size." All this, if unfounded, would be straining coincidence or imagination pretty far.


Press accounts say that the skeleton of a gigantic man, with head missing, has been unearthed at El Boquin, on the Mico River, in the Chontales district. The ribs are a yard long and four inches wide and the shin bone is too heavy for one man to carry. "Chontales" is an Indian word, meaning "wild men."

In the late 1950's during road construction in Homs southeast Turkey, Many tombs of Giants were indeed unearthed. These tombs were 4 meters long, and when enterd in 2 cases the human thigh bones were measured to be 47.24 inches in length. They calculated that the person who owned this Femur probably stood at fourteen to sixteen feet tall. A cast of this bone is seen at the Creationist museum in Texas.


Flavius Josephus, the noted Jewish historian of the first century A.D., described the giants as having "bodies so large and countenances so entirely different from other men that they were surprising to the sight and terrible to the hearing." And he adds that in his day, the bones of the giants were still on display!

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More NABs from the NABS followers; some of whom would 'believe' any photoshopped manipulation and bone casters.
About the misused Deuteronomy code:

Robert Wadlow would have required a tailormade bed or 'sarcophagus' due to his genetic and pathological gigantism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wadlow



6-7 minute marker

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/giant-skeleton.html​

Commentary:
This classic leg-pull has now been circulating via email, blogs and forums for several years and has even been published by some news outlets as factual. In fact, the "giant skeleton" images that travel with these messages are not photographs depicting real discoveries but instead clever manipulations. A lot of recipients would be quick to doubt the authenticity of the images. However, submissions indicate that the high quality of the fake images coupled with the vaguely plausible explanations that accompany them are apparently enough to convince many recipients that the "discoveries" are genuine.

So far, there have been two popular variants of the hoax. The first variant (Example 1 above) claims that a skeleton of a gigantic human was discovered during a gas exploration in the south east region of the Arabian desert and sports an attached photograph to "prove" the claim. However, the cleverly created image of the giant skeleton is actually an entry in an image manipulation contest by artist "IronKite" in which participants were instructed to create "a picture of an archaeological discovery that looks so real, had it not appeared at Worth1000, people might have done a double take".

The message tries to add legitimacy to its fanciful tale by referencing the Quran's Prophet Hud and the people of Aad (or "Ad"). Some Islamic references do claim that the people of Aad were thought to be giants. However, other material describes them as having a "stature tall among the nations" or as simply being "physically well-built". The Christian Bible also makes mention of giants.

The second variant (Example 2 above) moves the "action" to the Indian desert and replaces the Islamic references with mentions of characters in Indian mythology, including Brahma and Bhima's son. According to Indian legend, Bhima's son Ghatotkacha was a powerful fighter with magical abilities, although he is not generally described as a giant. Other than the change in mythological references, much of the wording in the two hoax variants is virtually identical.

The Indian based variant includes IronKite's image along with three other giant skeleton pictures that also originate from the same Worth1000 contest. The second picture in the set, complete with giant revolver, is titled everlasting rest and was created by amaranto. The third image is an entry simply named Giant Skeleton and was created by Anakinnnn. And the fourth image in the set is named Uncovered Giant and was created by Trit.

The hoax was apparently republished by several media outlets in Indian, Bangladesh and elsewhere. A scan of one of these newspaper articles is included in one version of the hoax email. Such articles have given the hoax undeserved credibility.

IronKite's creation has even been featured in a YouTube video entitled "Proof evolution is an evil lie from satan (the devil)". The video's creator uses IronKite's giant skeleton, along with other dubious images, as "proof" that giants once lived on Earth. The inclusion of a well-documented hoax image, in addition to a number of logical flaws, seriously undermines the video maker's credibility and has earned him the ridicule of his fellow YouTubers.

The image and "Arabian desert discovery" description is also included in another fanciful YouTube video warning of impending disaster for Earth. Again, the blatant use of a well-known hoax as "proof" decimates what little credibility the video had to begin with.

Even if you do believe that a race of giants once walked the Earth, you can rest assured that these photographs do not depict some of their remains. In their original context as part of a Worth1000 contest, the status of the images as purely fictional "archaeological discoveries" is quite clear. Apparently, however, some unknown prankster stole IronKite's image from its original setting, added some seemingly relevant text, and sent it on its way. Perhaps due largely to the talent of its creator, the image has circulated ever since. In due course, others have apparently added more Worth1000 images to the hoax messages.

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Re: The Factuals versus the Nabs

shiloh on August 14th 2014, 2:04 am

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1. Humanity's destiny is to emerge into and to engage with a Greater Community of intelligent life in the Universe.
2. Contact with other forms of intelligent life represents the greatest threshold that humanity has ever faced. The results of this Contact will determine humanity's future for generations to come. This Contact is happening now.
3. Humanity is unprepared for Contact. Researchers are still unable to clearly see who is visiting our world and why. Governments are not revealing what they know, and most people are still in denial that this phenomenon is even occurring.
4. Because of this lack of preparation, humanity's true allies sent representatives to a location near Earth to observe the extraterrestrial presence and activities within our world. The Allies of Humanity Briefings represent their report.
5. The Briefings reveal that our world is undergoing an extraterrestrial Intervention by forces that, as demonstrated by their actions, are here to subvert human authority and to integrate into human societies for their own advantage. These forces represent non-military organizations that are here to seek human and biological resources. The Allies refer to these forces as the "Collectives." The Collectives do not value human freedom.
6. Because the Intervention is being carried out by small groups of intervening forces, it must rely primarily upon deception and persuasion to achieve its goals. The Allies Briefings describe in detail how this is being accomplished and what we must do to stop it.
7. This extraterrestrial Intervention is being focused in four arenas::
• It is influencing individuals in positions of power and authority to cooperate with the Intervention through the promise of greater wealth, power & technology
• It is creating hidden establishments in the world from which the Intervention can exert its influence in the Mental Environment, seeking to make people everywhere open and compliant to its will through a "Pacification Program"
• It is manipulating our religious values and impulses in order to gain human allegiance to their cause
• It is taking people against their will, and often without their awareness, to support an interbreeding program designed to create a hybrid race and a new leadership who would be bonded to the "visitors."

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Examples of Disinformation Sites – Part 3 – "Allies of Humanity"

http://goldenageofgaia.com/2010/05/01/examples-of-disinformation-sites-part-3-allies-of-humanity/

Posted by Steve Beckow on May 1, 2010 / 2 Comments
Category: Accountability, Bad Aliens, Cover-ups, Disinformation, Extraterrestrials, Galactic Federation, Illuminati, UFO Cover-up Tags: Allies of Humanity, Bad Aliens, disinformation, Evil Extraterrestrials, Marshall Vian Summers


This group is the work of Marshal Vians Summers.
Summers bills himself as the “one messenger of God.” His biography says nothing about himself in a lot of words, except that he spent a great deal of time allegedly alone in nature.
Here is a page from Summers’ site if you want to read more of his case.
http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/the-ethics-of-contact.php


Its purpose appears to be to debunk and marginalize the work of sincere extraterrestrials and the spiritual hierarchy behind the events of 2012, endeavoring to make theirs an uphill battle.
Summers and the Allies for Humanity issued The Declaration of Human Sovereignty, found at http://www.humansovereignty.org/


I tell myself some New World Order (NWO) hack sat down with The Declaration of Independence in one hand and memos of everything the NWO did to win global financial, military, and social domination of the planet in the other.
If I’m correct, then people primarily responsible for the erosion of American civil rights and much harm done to America and the world now wrap themselves in the mantle of America’s best traditions and present themselves as the defenders of America and its freedoms. If so, it’s ironic.
Another irony for me is that I actually looked hard for this document around a year ago and couldn’t find it. I used to be a human-rights decision-maker in Canada, a member of a refugee tribunal.


I love the Declaration of Independence and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and, before I read Summers, was thrilled that someone was at work on a similar document for the New Age. In the end, someone asked me to comment on the document and directed me to it.


I was stunned by what I saw.


The work the document does is to attempt to persuade the people of Earth to leave government in the hands of its current administrators, who are represented as their bulwark against the evil ETs. It doesn’t say anything about the American government’s past relationship with the Anunnaki and the little Greys (Zeta Reticulans), in which the Anunnaki figured as Earth’s controllers and the Greys gave the U.S. government ET technology in return for the right to abduct and experiment on people.
It does not say anything about the hostile actions the American government has taken toward spacecraft, trying to shoot them down.
It doesn’t say anything about where the American taxpayer’s money has been going in the last sixty years – towards a secret space program with bases as far away as Mars, highly-sophisticated assassination weapons, schools that teach fascist terrorists how to overthrow democratic regimes, etc.
Instead, it lays the responsibility for all ill at the feet of a fleet of galactic humans who are here to overturn this dark cabal and restore to the people abundance, peace, and harmony.


I will reproduce a section of the document, which shows the NWO making the ETs out to be the villain in the piece. In another post I analyze the document. (1)
Notice one trick that the NWO has used on us for years, with really good effect: to blame the opposition for dirty tricks they invented and use themselves. Most of the allegations that Summers makes of the ETs are untrue. But they are certainly allegations that could be made against the Illuminati.
(snip)


“Although the Earth has undergone a long history of extraterrestrial visitation, the current situation is that the People of Earth are now suffering the effects of a global extraterrestrial intervention into human affairs. This intervention employs a strategy of deception, manipulation, and exploitation, the goal of which is control over humanity, which will result in the loss of human freedom and self-determination. It is now the sacred right and duty of the People of Earth to oppose, resist, and repel this extraterrestrial intervention, to declare and defend our sovereignty, our freedom, and our independence from all extraterrestrial forces.


“Let these violations be considered by those supporting the cause of freedom throughout the Greater Community:

(1) Intervening extraterrestrial forces have refused to openly disclose and reveal the nature and intent of their activities on and around Earth. This extraterrestrial presence is clandestine, covert, uninvited, and unapproved by the People of Earth. These extraterrestrial forces have concealed their own identity, their political or economic alliances and allegiances, as well as the authorities and powers which they serve.
(2) As is becoming increasingly apparent from their actions, extraterrestrial forces intend to exploit the Earth, its resources, and its people, and are engaged in a systematic program of colonizing humanity into a subservient client state to be ruled by agents of these extraterrestrial forces. The extraterrestrial intervention and occupation seeks commercial gain, economic power, and the strategic advantage offered by this world in relation to other worlds.
(3) Extraterrestrial forces have repeatedly and with impunity violated national and international laws of the Earth’s people. These offenses, which still continue today, have included violation of restricted airspace; abduction and transportation of humans without their consent; murder, rape, torture, sexual abuse, interbreeding with humans, and cruel experimentation; theft and trade of human biological and genetic materials; theft and trade of Earth’s natural resources; covert mental and psychological influence; mutilation of humans and animals; tampering with and disabling of military defense systems; and clandestine infiltration into human society.
(4) Extraterrestrial forces have secretly negotiated treaties and agreements with human individuals and groups, without the informed consent of the People of Earth.
(5) Extraterrestrial forces have systematically attempted to persuade and mislead humans through extending false hopes and promises of wealth, power, and protection; rescue from planetary catastrophe; membership in a “galactic federation”; and spiritual salvation and enlightenment.
(6) Extraterrestrial forces have exploited and exacerbated human conflicts to serve their own ends.
(7) Extraterrestrial forces have been disempowering humanity by leading us to believe that we can only survive with their help and their advanced technology, thus fostering our complete dependence upon them and denying our ability to ensure our own survival.”
(snip)
http://www.humansovereignty.org/

Footnotes
(1) See “More on the ‘Allies of Humanity’ – 1/2″ at http://goldenageofgaia.com/nwo-essays/more-on-the-allies-of-humanity-12/ and “2/2″ at http://goldenageofgaia.com/nwo-essays/more-on-the-allies-of-humanity-22/.

Posted by Steve Beckow on May 1, 2010 / Accountability, Bad Aliens, Cover-ups, Disinformation, Extraterrestrials, Galactic Federation, Illuminati, UFO Cover-up / 2 Comments
Tags: Allies of Humanity, Bad Aliens, disinformation, Evil Extraterrestrials, Marshall Vian Summers



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Peacemaker09
8:32 pm on September 14, 2010

Concerning dis-information
Any person, thought or action based upon a lie, will not stand eventually, the truth will come to light, and it shall be revealed for what it is.
Many religions have taught the coming of Christ in a rapture, but personally, I believe he is already here with me. He is the spirit that guides my spirit in truth. He has an invisible Kingdom, God’s Kingdom, where all who love the light can enter in and become one with him in spirit before the creator
We are the temples of God. Therefore we need no one to teach us, as he is our spirit guide.
I hope you’re ok with my comments. I am not speaking these things to offend anyone in the area where they make contact with their creator.
I believe we are all at different levels of growth, but soon we will come to a common consciousness with him.
Peacemaker 09

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8:36 pm on September 14, 2010
I’m fine with them, Peacemaker. Enthuse away. This is the place for it.
Namaste,
Steve



This 'Discosure Project' website and you tube channel has hijacked the image and label of Dr. Steven Greer in superposing his photograph onto its website and publications as represented in the above. Greer's associated works and endeavours are fundamentally opposed to the 'ideas' and data bases (of disclosure disinformation) as per the links provided and including Marshall Vian Summers, 'The Messenger' of a 'New Message from God' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Vian_Summers and the MILABS group, incorporating James Bartley. The latter who considers Steven Greer to be a 'reptilian host' aka possessed in some form of Bartley's mental self delusions. The inclusion of Richard Dolan, whose work and cosmology regarding the ufo phenomenon and related subject matters is based on a rational and omni-scientific approach and is compatible with Greer's work, further serves to 'confuse' the deeper agendas with respect to the quarantined planet of the humans.

Perhaps the shift of priorities regarding Steven Greer has something to do with the above mentioned 'hijacking'!


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The 'critique' of Steve Beckow then illustrates not only the questionable information sources of M.V. Summers with a rational discourse, but also shows how various 'nabs sources' view each others work. Whilst supporting Beckow's critique of 'Allies of Humanity', I certainly do not endorse Steve Beckow's work and information sharing in general.

The isolation of the planet of the humans with respect to the greater encompassing universe has indeed ended, but as a consequence of the PRESENCE of the Cosmic Heirloom and cosmic inheritance of the eons and not due to a very human minded usurpation of the agenda of the 'Elders of the Realms' aka the 'Ancient Ones of the Creation' and a manifestation which represents a 'Shift in Times' in a Dragon Made Armageddon of a 'Omega King' of the 'Dream Dream' 'Alpha Bride' dreamt by the Logos of all worlds in its symbol or archetype of the KingQueen or universal Cosmic Twin JCCJ.

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(90) Jesus said, "Come unto me, for my yoke is easy and my lordship is mild, and you will find repose for yourselves." (Gospel of Thomas - Lambdin)

(21) Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are your disciples like?"
He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field which is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Let us have back our field.' They (will) undress in their presence in order to let them have back their field and to give it back to them. Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his house of his domain to carry away his goods. You, then, be on your guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When the grain ripened, he came quickly with his sickle in his hand and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

(88) Jesus said, "The angels and the prophets will come to you and give to you those things you (already) have. And you too, give them those things which you have, and say to yourselves, 'When will they come and take what is theirs?'"

(50) Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where did you come from?', say to them, 'We came from the light, the place where the light came into being on its own accord and established itself and became manifest through their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?', say, 'We are its children, we are the elect of the living father.' If they ask you, 'What is the sign of your father in you?', say to them, 'It is movement and repose.'"

(51) His disciples said to him, "When will the repose of the dead come about, and when will the new world come?"
He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it."

(59) Jesus said, "Take heed of the living one while you are alive, lest you die and seek to see him and be unable to do so."

(60) <They saw> a Samaritan carrying a lamb on his way to Judea. He said to his disciples, "That man is round about the lamb."
They said to him, "So that he may kill it and eat it."
He said to them, "While it is alive, he will not eat it, but only when he has killed it and it has become a corpse."
They said to him, "He cannot do so otherwise."
He said to them, "You too, look for a place for yourself within repose, lest you become a corpse and be eaten."

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

(7) Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man."

(70) Jesus said, "That which you have will save you if you bring it forth from yourselves. That which you do not have within you will kill you if you do not have it within you."

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Re: Disclosure
shiloh on Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:23 pm

bobhardee wrote: 8/8/2014 This is VERY different. It read as if it is part of the Disclosure Project.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQDggLHviq0
Alien Technology The Myths, The Reality, The Risks | Alien Disclosure 2014

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1 month ago
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This is VERY 'deceiving' disinformation Bob. Try NOT to be deceived by this guru nabs!

It relates to Marshall Vian Summers and not Stephen Greer.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Vian_Summers

http://www.newmessage.org/nmfg/Our_Work_and_Mission__The_Society_for_the_New_Message_from_God.html

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• Post n°83

Re: Disclosure
bobhardee on Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:21 pm

Thanks Shiloh.

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The Presence of the Mosaic implies the will of Unity=God=Starhumanity and not the will of Humanity=Man=Separation!
I Am One in Many and Many in One!
Exe*=1
GODGOD=DOGDOG=DEMONA=DEVIL=LIVED=FINANCE=PRIDE=EARTH=HEART
GODDOG=DOGGOD=JCCJCJJC=52=26+26=13+13+13+13=5+2=7
7=7_dec=7_bin=111=DRAGONHEART
Decoder Michael = 54+51=105=15=6=123=ABC=ABBA=BAAB=33=E3=8=3E=ME=WE
MICHAEL SUN = INFINITY-1 = JERUSALEM+1 = EARTH1HEART = DEMON GABRIEL = LOVE MICHAEL