My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

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Sanicle Yesterday at 11:06 pm
When you have time BB, would you mind explaining more fully and 'candidly' what you mean by polarity consciousness in this part of what you said above?

To me, all mythical, psychic or drug induced visions of dragon - or snake like creatures, are projections of our human nature in polarity consciousness.
We seem to be sort of.... ordained to make chocolate of both sides of one hand. Figuring out what's been shown in this mirror: evil-live.​

I'm assuming that it fits in with what you said in an earlier commentary..........

To me, the middle of the road I chose, proved to be a truth about myself, showing me that by s to try to make my world go round smoothly. bypassing my core issues, working on the issues of others to make them and the world feel okay with me, I was creating many windings and windmills of my mind, even entering the world of illusion to try to make my world go round smoothly.

It was until I began to find the affinity within my heart for myself, in honest tears and laughter, that I found the portal that gave entrance to that landscape, which I describe and choose as a metaphor for autonomy. A landscape without a fixed horizon. By that I mean that my learning never ends and by knowing that, there's always a new choice in every next moment. That reminds me of the fluidity, mentioned in the blog by female warrior.​

I get the feeling this is more at the heart of what's being discussed here and, in essence, a response to all those 'why' questions I proposed? Are the words "even entering the world of illusions" significant here?

As regards fluidity, to my mind we are eternal spirit, with eternity to experience whatever we choose for whatever length of time we choose. If that means stopping to examine each aspect of what appears on our journey in order to fully understand why it appeared to us as an obstacle, that's OK too. Then, maybe, we can truly leave it behind forever and not have it appear to us again in a future life as a lesson we didn't fully learn and understand. Knowing ourselves is one thing, but I want to explore all of God's Universe and I know I have eternity to do so. It's interesting to my curious mind and I like to try to see the bigger picture.



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Carol Yesterday at 11:34 pm

There was a time I was interested in dragons.. moved on to something more emotionally fulfilling since.



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Sanicle Yesterday at 11:47 pm

Yes Carol, each to his/her own. Personally, I've learned a lot of positives emotionally from 'my dragon' Argon and will continue the association for as long as we both enjoy it. I like joy so I don't see the relationship ending any time soon, regardless of what others may think.


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Carol Yesterday at 11:59 pm

The thing is (that most folks don't know about me) is I don't think anything as there is a sense of detachment from other's paths or drama. My focus is on creation and what needs to happen to help humanity with food, shelter, public health & health care being at the top of the list. So I've been doing all types of research to get ready for that next step.. planning first, recruiting next and then implementation. Think of when we were back at Avalon and the talent, people there along with the vision. So these days much of my focus is on how to implement that vision.



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Sanicle Today at 12:09 am
I honour you for that path you've chosen Carol and believe you have developed all the necessary abilities during your life to do very fine work indeed in your chosen course.


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B.B.Baghor Today at 5:54 pm
Sanicle wrote:

When you have time BB, would you mind explaining more fully and 'candidly' what you mean by polarity consciousness in this part of what you said above?

To me, all mythical, psychic or drug induced visions of dragon - or snake like creatures, are projections of our human nature in polarity consciousness.
We seem to be sort of.... ordained to make chocolate of both sides of one hand. Figuring out what's been shown in this mirror: evil-live.​

I'm assuming that it fits in with what you said in an earlier commentary..........

To me, the middle of the road I chose, proved to be a truth about myself, showing me that by s to try to make my world go round smoothly. bypassing my core issues, working on the issues of others to make them and the world feel okay with me, I was creating many windings and windmills of my mind, even entering the world of illusion to try to make my world go round smoothly.

It was until I began to find the affinity within my heart for myself, in honest tears and laughter, that I found the portal that gave entrance to that landscape, which I describe and choose as a metaphor for autonomy. A landscape without a fixed horizon. By that I mean that my learning never ends and by knowing that, there's always a new choice in every next moment. That reminds me of the fluidity, mentioned in the blog by female warrior.​

I get the feeling this is more at the heart of what's being discussed here and, in essence, a response to all those 'why' questions I proposed? Are the words "even entering the world of illusions" significant here?

As regards fluidity, to my mind we are eternal spirit, with eternity to experience whatever we choose for whatever length of time we choose. If that means stopping to examine each aspect of what appears on our journey in order to fully understand why it appeared to us as an obstacle, that's OK too. Then, maybe, we can truly leave it behind forever and not have it appear to us again in a future life as a lesson we didn't fully learn and understand. Knowing ourselves is one thing, but I want to explore all of God's Universe and I know I have eternity to do so. It's interesting to my curious mind and I like to try to see the bigger picture. ​

Yes, that's a great question, Sanicle. By polarity consciousness I mean the shadow and light side of life, with our mind in constant judgment, labeling experiences as good or bad. I don't look at it as good or bad, but as a given condition, part of life on this planet at present. Our choice to incarnate in this time is proof of our value and role, alive in action, in physical form. A heroe's journey as I see it. Look how extremes are showing up now, how polarity is increasing as we speak, opposing forces heaving and gnashing their teeth.

To me, part of it is also the masculine and feminine quality within us, represented by the mind/abstract ideas and the feelings/body of form, in that same order. The ongoing masculine programming in our human mind by judging uncomfortable feelings as bad and unwelcome, avoiding them as much as possible, blocks the potential of the feminine quality of discerning what our feelings and connection with our physical body tell us about who we are, in our experiencing of this polarised reality in the world.

My words in the second quote above, are solely describing the process I went through, there's no reference to your "why" questions, Sanicle. Know, that I will make clear when what I say relates to something that you wrote. Which, at the same time, never suggests a making of a choice in you, or any change set in motion.

The moment I found the truth, the "why?" of my illusion, I ended the identification with it, which meant entering the vastness of feelings and
all that was lurking in the shadows, that was part of me, part of my life's creations in more than 1 life. By opening my heart to it, in affinity with myself, I was able to return to presence, grounding and acceptance of emotions, embodying all of what had remained invisible. I've begun to see my emotions as my children. They need care and they are great mirrors.

Knowing myself and exploring the Universe, God's creation if you will, are entwined in my experience, for by exploring far and deep, I'm in the best condition to know myself. Who I am in all of that vastness. There's no separation in that, to me.

It's mainly in glimpsing that the merging of both sides of the hand, shadow and light, with that hand as a symbol of action, of a practical approach to understand life and what life is, happens, as I experience it. By keeping life in motion, by allowing myself a new choice each moment, like the state of wonder in children, Í will never find despair. For despair, to me, is giving up on me, to be at the end of the line, where a voice says "Please leave the train and take all of your belongings with you" Stepping off in very low spirits, for there's no destiny.

The fluidity I'm talking about, is the opposite of a frozen view in one's mind's eye. Fluidity to me, doesn't prevent me from stopping to examine something. Whatever works for us, that's what we usually choose, when we intend to find that out. It's an endless variety of expressions. At times, I talk here about a multi-faceted crystal as a symbol of life, or a symbol of planet Earth's population. Of all of us. It shows how curious and eager I am in exploring many aspects of life, of what makes people tick with my ticking as company. To a degree, I've turned many stones in the road I'm on, even feverishly, in the trying times 5 years ago.

I know how it feels to be stuck in not accepting that I don't understand things in full, not sensing the ramifications, in need to ask questions. What understanding does to my state of ease, is what nutrients are doing to my body. Fluidity is rather a state, an attitude, to me. It's not
part of my manual in life, as in how to act and what to act upon. It's the observer, me, reading the manual. It's a state similar to the one described in the female warrior blog.

For context, here's the part I'm referring to:
"To defend is to act from a point of self-importance which can cause imbalance and create anger and ill-will. Many people, basically fundamentalists of any belief, will defend the fixated position of their assemblage point in order to preserve and maintain the patterns and stories as they perceive them and even attempt to impose those patterns upon others no matter how superfluous their stored data has become. For a warrior, it is a waste of energy to defend the position of an assemblage point when the point is to keep the assemblage point fluid".

Have I made some things clearer now, Sanicle?

Since I pondered your question "How can you make the most of free will if you don't know what all the choices are?" a part of your signature here, I came to the point that for me it's not a question of how to make the most of free will, but rather live in that condition, as a starting point or principle. I can live in free will, in freedom to experience, choose, try this, try that, meanwhile paying attention by being present, physically, emotionally and spiritually, in each experience and expression of life. And in that way find out what it is I choose in life that suits my wellbeing (or damage it) and that of others, in bouncing ideas to and fro, finding new views and insights in who I am in all that and possibly come to learn who you and others are too. So many different reflections that are coming off those facets in the large crystal

 

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Sanicle Today at 5:01 am

Yes, that's a great question, Sanicle. By polarity consciousness I mean the shadow and light side of life, with our mind in constant judgment, labelling experiences as good or bad. I don't look at it as good or bad, but as a given condition, part of life on this planet at present. Our choice to incarnate in this time is proof of our value and role, alive in action, in physical form. A hero's journey as I see it. Look how extremes are showing up now, how polarity is increasing as we speak, opposing forces heaving and gnashing their teeth.

To me, part of it is also the masculine and feminine quality within us, represented by the mind/abstract ideas and the feelings/body of form, in that same order. The ongoing masculine programming in our human mind by judging uncomfortable feelings as bad and unwelcome, avoiding them as much as possible, blocks the potential of the feminine quality of discerning what our feelings and connection with our physical body tell us about who we are, in our experiencing of this polarised reality in the world.​

Thank you BB. Those comments relate more to what all my ‘why’ questions were trying to find out from you via the ‘resonance’ question you put to me in terms of looking at challenges the receptive feminine, in relation to (the currently often) aggressive masculine, may meet on our journeys from a broader perspective, beyond the purely personal.

What I related of my journey, as I said, was to inform Xeia of the reptilian/dragon experiences that have arisen in my inner journeying as, to my mind, in some aspects it seems to relate to the Thuban experiences and source of the teachings. It was not initially meant to be a discourse on how we may, or may not, have resolved meeting such energies on our journeys at a personal level, but you asked so I answered. The whole thrust of my posts have been to lay out such a scenario and then try to discuss WHY many of us (particularly females) in this world are meeting with the aggressive masculine energies, possibly as represented by all the reptilian/dragon beings so often described in people’s experiences these days, and how and why we might currently be experiencing the masculine, especially in that way, as it’s embodied energetically in this reality. And further, how that might influence us all at a psychological level.

As it fits with some of what I’ve been thinking on, initially I’d like to comment on what I’ve bolded while quoting your comments above re the mind being masculine and the feminine being matter, including the sentient bodies we inhabit in this realm. As energy follows thought I’m looking at this interplay generally in terms of the thrust (yes, I used that word purposely), enhanced by the desire behind it (human/animal power), of projected thought seeding receptive matter in order to create ie bring new forms into manifestation. That’s looking at the process of creation not just in terms of procreation in bodies but at an overall level of how creation is said to work, but you can still see in it how sexual behaviour is played out in relation to this basic energetic relationship between male/female in the interplay of our bodies. I don’t think I need to draw a picture.

So how is the ‘general thrust’ of the current creative thinking impinging or imprinting on our individual consciousness, and are we all in accord with what is being manifested as our everyday life on this planet? That is what most of us are trying to work through, whether we are seekers or not, and common male and female thinking patterns play into that to create common behaviour patterns in force today.

With the male energetics seemingly dominating on this planet at present it's clear we are not all liking what its force is doing here and know it is out of balance. At this point you could go into the whole thing of the dominance of the ptb, the decision makers, re conditioning the public into being receptive in all the different ways they do (chemically etc) but that’s not the focus here. What I’m looking at here is that at the most basic level of creative existence in this reality, how male/mind meeting receptive/feminine energies to create is playing out, and asking what may happen when one objects to what’s currently made manifest and goes looking for answers. Many of us see the male dominance as resulting in the ‘rape’ of this planet and that the dominant males (the ptb) are forcing it on the rest of us, so in a way we are being ‘raped’ too at an energetic level.

Obviously this creative interplay of energies affects us physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually, but how does that react in us at a psychological and symbolic level (the language of the unconscious mind) of being when we seek the truth? Might we be being shown (eg in all the talk of reptilians), at any and all levels of being, what’s truly being created and thus what we currently need to deal with personally in order to clear us of internal barriers we’ve built so as to get us beyond the personal in order see the bigger picture at work in our reality?

I hope I’m explaining my thoughts well. They’re not easy for me to encapsulate within words so if it doesn't make sense please let me know. I’ll go into other thoughts I’ve had on other elements that may be at play re the current dragon/reptilian elements in further posts.

 

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Sanicle Yesterday at 11:43 am

OK, so the above post is all about how basic energy interrelationships – mind into matter – may influence what we see and experience, especially symbolically and psychologically, re male/female exchanges. So now I’m going to deal with what might influence us towards thinking in terms of reptilian/dragon forms on the physical level, especially in terms of seeing them as symbolic of powerful, dark and evil beings.

I’ll skate over the obvious manifestation of men using their (ahem) snake-like protrusions to harm women throughout history. I want to go into things at a broader, less personal level……something that would have put fear into the hearts of men and women of the reptilian shape in ages past that would be imprinted in our cell memories. You see I believe that ‘dragons’ are, or were, dinosaurs.

Science is now coming to see that mankind and dinosaurs existed in time together. They are also mentioned in the Bible, above and beyond the serpent in the garden. See the following links for info on this and there are many more if you search.

http://www.icr.org/men-dinosaurs/
https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=2416

Actually, if you look around the Net, some people still report seeing ‘dragons’ in the wilder areas of Earth (eg Canada, Russia) in this day and age. Still-living remnants of the dinosaurs?

Obviously being confronted by a huge dinosaur back in the day would have been a frightful experience and, if said dinosaurs hunted humans, they would have epitomised everything that was evil, the ultimately powerful animal, giving one nightmares that could still be part of the astral energy fields and thus an archetype within the unconscious realms to this day.

Then there is the factor that men, and some women, the world over have long respected and even idealised the brute force of powerful animals, aligning themselves with such animals when in ‘competition/battle mode’ through ornamentation and so on. These days men use powerful animal images as team mascots and as the names of teams in sports but in the past different cultures worshipped certain animals, wanting to emulate the qualities of intelligence and strength they saw in them, like the American Indians still do today. So for some, being ‘visited’ by such animals would fill them with awe. Easy to understand then if Man did know dinosaurs up close and personally how these fear/awe patterns have been shaping human perceptions for eons, via stories and teachings, but I would like to remind the reader in particular that the Chinese use the Dragon as a symbol for the Superior Man. So if the theory about dinosaurs is correct there could have still been some in the hills of ancient China as well. And that belief may have spread to other regions close by.

Needless to say there are still ‘reptilian serpents’ in the world today that elicit fear in many to keep the old fears strong, reinforced by the soul/cell memory in our bodies and thus generating the fight/flight chemical responses. Some people seem to have a phobic fear of snakes. The possible reason for that could be past life memories, cell memories or both.

And then, to add to all of this in the current age, there is talk about reptilians in the hidden realms, both above and below who are at least our equal in intelligence, making them even more scary. So we’re almost ‘surrounded’ as I’m now plausibly suggesting the possibility that there have also been reptilians ‘behind us’ as well (in the form of the dinosaurs). Given all of this, is it any wonder that some might choose to provoke survival fears in us by suggesting that there might still be more of the same coming ‘ahead’ of us as well, via invasion, to complete the circle? Or at least, that some clever mental manipulators might play on this soul-deep fear we have?




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B.B.Baghor Yesterday at 1:48 pm

Thank you, Sanicle, I'm going to look into your last 2 posts again later, after I've returned to the UK.
The only thought popping up repeatedly, while reading your posts through, but not yet taking it in fully,
was, that the unbalance of masculine and feminine, in many human beings and in humanity
as a whole, particularly in modern Western societies, is huge. Hence, the need for balance and the work
we're all doing now, entering relative new territory, to achieve that.

As I see it, in the present change (or flowering) of global consciousness, much proof of that unbalance
becomes apparent and is/ will be exposed. That's part of the process, the springcleaning, as I perceive it.
It shouldn't fool us as if it's truly threatening and frightening, although we can have such feelings inside.

The way for me, to live through these times of change, is to live in trust and to be present in the heart,
even amidst storms of my emotions and windmills of my mind. And to remind myself, to choose anew,
again and again. It takes excersize, I love to see it as a training of new muscles on a soul-level.
Embodying a truth long forgotten, of who we really are.

As I see it, all things man- made are created on a basis of free will principle, we're given that choice,
here on planet Earth. Creation isn't possible without it, or is it? The message that is hidden in acknowledging
that, for me, is that I'm welcomed to embrace and bow down to that truth, as director and actor in numerous
expressions and creations, through many lives.

That acknowledgement is in the realm of my state of being, my attitude, my presence in the heart, grounded
with my body on planet Earth. Condoning the effects of it is a different thing. My present mult-tasking and mind-
acrobatics doesn't help me much, talking from a balanced point of view, I feel.

So far I did the best I can, but have to leave it for now, Sanicle, so that I can return later with a rested body and
freshening up of my marbles, like in the picture here

 

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Sanicle Yesterday at 9:24 am
OK, I’m not going to bother going into the subtle level of manifestation re dragons/reptilians too much. I’ll just make a few points and you can figure the rest out for yourselves if you wish.

• ‘Experiencers’ of various kinds having been saying for quite a long while now that all lifeforms have a blueprint that elementals facilitate the building of. Science has since discovered DNA and RNA – that blueprint.

• Humanity has reptilian forms of all kinds well established in their cell memories and collective unconscious, so ‘building’ the forms of those in the subtle realms is no biggie through continually adding lots of thought power to such forms via a continued interest in such beings. All that’s being shared by those who’ve met with reptilian ETs, all the movies about dinosaurs plus an ongoing interest in them is enough to continue their existence in the astral realms alone. That doesn’t include those that are already there from ancient times.

• It’s been proven that telepathy with animals is possible and it’s known that through channelling we can communicate telepathically with beings from the subtle realms also. So whether it is a being in what we know as animal form or a being there shapeshifting into an animal form to communicate from those realms with us, it’s possible.

• I’ve also been told that sneaky beings in the astral can place an animal in front of you for the clairvoyant among us but do the telepathic communication themselves while hidden from your vision.

There’s more but I won’t add them because it gets complicated and I don’t have the time or energy to go into it. As I said, you can figure it out for yourselves should you choose to.



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orthodoxymoron Yesterday at 2:54 pm

What if Angels and Demons are the Souls of Human-Beings?? What if Dragons are the Souls of Dinosaurs?? What if Reptilians and Greys are Intermediate Between Dinosaurs and Humans?? I know someone who strongly-believes that Mankind should abandon All-Physicality and become Pure-Spirit. I continue to wonder why Humanity was created in the first-place?? Was this the Original-Sin?? Is the Creator of Humanity accused of being the Creator of Sin and Sinners?? Is the Creator Azazel?? Is "Fallen Sinful Human-Nature" reflective of Human-Physicality OR "Fallen-Sinful Souls" which incarnated into Human-Bodies?? What does Genesis 6 REALLY Teach?? As you know, I consider the Bible to be a Small-Part of a HUGE Puzzle. I've recently been attempting to focus-upon Job through Malachi in the New King James Version. Genesis through Esther -- and Matthew through Revelation seem MUCH More Problematic to me presently. Anyway, I still think there is significant-merit to focusing-upon Science and Science-Fiction as an alternative to Old-Religion and the New-Age. I'm presently re-watching Helix. It's REALLY Gory -- but quite interesting.


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Sanicle Yesterday at 3:19 pm

I don't know Oxy and I doubt that you'll find out the answers to any of your questions until you're prepared to meditate and ask those who can tell you. I don't know of anyone here who is a time traveler. But I guess you won't do that, will you.

As for me, I'm sure Tony and friends have had a good chuckle at all my blah-blah-blahing and I'm hoping to pass this thread back into Xeia's capable hands.


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orthodoxymoron Yesterday at 3:29 pm
I simply research and speculate in a mostly passive manner. I won't channel or do regression-hypnosis (or anything exotic or creepy) BUT I will consider even the MOST Bizarre experiences and claims of others (with a sea of salt). BTW -- I have the cutest spitting-cobra!!

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Sanicle Today at 1:05 am
Haven't you heard Oxy that you can't and won't be given all the answers you seek through utilizing the work others have done? Your truth is the reward for finding your courage in taking that 'scary' inner journey. Who knows? That might be your 'final frontier'. Until then, in this realm, you might just get a few hints and bedtime stories.

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orthodoxymoron Today at 12:03 pm

Sanicle, I think I'm in too-deep already (especially if I turn-out to be who I think I might be on a soul-basis). I'm already massively harassed and messed-with, and I can only imagine how bad things would get if I opened myself up to various nefarious entities (who probably hate me more than I can imagine). My many unanswered questions will probably have to be answered by certain brilliant researchers who work for various agencies throughout the world. Unfortunately, I'll probably never communicate directly with them, and I'll probably never learn the results of their research. I keep saying that "Ignorance is Bliss and a Virtue for Completely Ignorant Fools Such As Myself". I doubt that I could handle the Real-Truth. Not in this pathetic incarnation. Perhaps in my Next-Life.

 

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B.B.Baghor Today at 3:11 pm
Sanicle wrote:
OK, I’m not going to bother going into the subtle level of manifestation re dragons/reptilians too much. I’ll just make a few points and you can figure the rest out for yourselves if you wish.

• ‘Experiencers’ of various kinds having been saying for quite a long while now that all lifeforms have a blueprint that elementals facilitate the building of. Science has since discovered DNA and RNA – that blueprint.

• Humanity has reptilian forms of all kinds well established in their cell memories and collective unconscious, so ‘building’ the forms of those in the subtle realms is no biggie through continually adding lots of thought power to such forms via a continued interest in such beings. All that’s being shared by those who’ve met with reptilian ETs, all the movies about dinosaurs plus an ongoing interest in them is enough to continue their existence in the astral realms alone. That doesn’t include those that are already there from ancient times.

• It’s been proven that telepathy with animals is possible and it’s known that through channelling we can communicate telepathically with beings from the subtle realms also. So whether it is a being in what we know as animal form or a being there shapeshifting into an animal form to communicate from those realms with us, it’s possible.

• I’ve also been told that sneaky beings in the astral can place an animal in front of you for the clairvoyant among us but do the telepathic communication themselves while hidden from your vision.

There’s more but I won’t add them because it gets complicated and I don’t have the time or energy to go into it. As I said, you can figure it out for yourselves should you choose to.




Please let me know, in due time, Sanicle, if what I’m sharing with you sounds comprehensive. Is that the correct word? There’s been a growing awareness in me, a deeper learning, during the last years, of what it takes to be relatively safe and at the same time balanced, while being in touch with, or in resonance with, different levels of vibrations and beings present in it. And what the causes are that make these experiences agreeable or annoying. This is my view, based on my experiences.

In the Schools of Intuitive Development, that I’ve attended, or about which I’ve read books, there’s a particular point of view, on how certain events in people’s lives can cause a sudden ripping open of the veil. I mean the veil between the 3rd D world of physical form and density and higher vibrational existences. I’d better share my own experience with you, for what’s in the books about this subject is often abstract when written as a theory or treatise, not always easy to grasp.

I should clarify, before going in that story, based on readings of energy in people’s past, when this was relevant and related to the issue that was addressed, most human beings seem to make a decision around their 3rd year of age, about how to be present in their own life, or make efforts not to, and how to relate to the outside world. A sort of basic attitude in life, or the foundation to build one’s views and opinions on.

When I grew up and entered my 3rd year of age, I’ve sent out “a call” inviting guidance from the spirit world. The way I became aware of having such company, was by finding feelings of unsafety and distrust, when pondering conditions on planet Earth, thinking vaguely “That’s not my nature to look at it this way”. This was during a time when a deeper appreciation and love for lady Gaia grew in me.

The acknowledgment of the actual presence and impact of my companion, a male being which loved to support me, happened during an energy-reading, in the recent period of my life where much change began to happen. When the moment came that I stood more firmly on my own 2 feet, it became clear that his role had been played and his presence had become unnecessary. By separating, I would find a better condition for new growth and emotional comfort on my own accord or something of that nature, which was supposed to be solely my choice.

The woman who was with me in the energy-reading, told me that the presence of this guide began to be in the way of where my path in life was going now. “This guide, from a higher spiritual level, has helped you to move through your life, to discern when it was better to be in your body and when it was okay and safe to be out of your body. For himself, as he was on a path of learning too, there was an issue and that was his own past life-experiences, causing him to be in lack of trust, feeling unsafe with human intentions and the conditions on this planet. He projected that on me, or rather, that story of his was bleeding through, in our connection.

“That guide is so used to play out his role for you, that you need to be the one who reminds him of a choice to end it. You may choose a moment one day, telling him that you’re grateful for his guidance, but that you feel his task is complete. Make clear to him, in a respectful way, that his role isn’t needed anymore, due to your being present more fully in your body, knowing who you are a bit better now. You might give him thanks and invite him to withdraw, so that he can choose a new direction and destiny. And move on, just as you’ve moved on, part of a natural process in life” she explained.

As often happens in the energy readings I ask for, this time too, I felt inside that these words caused much connecting of dots and I recognized and memorized my early years in life, shifting from being in or out of my body. Sometimes, when an energy-reader gives words to something my being is showing to that reader, it enlightens a reality or truth, which otherwise is hard to pinpoint and put in words. Certain truths in ourselves can be experienced as half-truth and half-denial, in a twilight zone, ensuring our emotional comfort. Also I think that this is true: you can’t ask questions about that which you don’t know, nor can you talk about things you’re unconscious of, can you? Voila, that’s where an energy-reading can offer its value, see?

At any rate, I’m now returning to that ripping open of the veil, when a trauma is present in a person. As a reaction to it, the being of that person may choose to leave the physical and emotional body, in order to survive and feel safe. That’s what may be at the root of a multi-personality disorder and people with fragmented personalities, or shattered personalities, often diagnosed as psychotic or schizophrenic, by the medical world. I’m not in favor of those labels at all, for many drugs have been fabricated to subdue difficult behavior in those people, never offering a cure or solution.

More often than not, a channeling medium may find psychic skills by having gone through trauma, or holding a traumatic issue from birth, present inside but unnoticed. This way of opening the crown chakra, calling for support and guidance to the levels of higher vibration beyond physical form, easily connects with beings in the lower levels of the 4th dimension. Here, in my point of view, the resonance steps in: unsolved issues in the root-chakra, where the sexual focus is present in men, and those in the second chakra, where the sexual focus is present in women, are by resonance welcoming the energies of those lower levels, that thrive on instinctual sensual impressions, a feeding on life force energy in other human beings.

The same attitude in humans, be it sublimation of trauma, addiction to repetitive behavior and attachment to a certain conduct that is an abuse of power or a surrendering in submission, in victimhood. Predator or bait, both are expressions of the same issue, with deep fear at the core. Played out differently, in 3d reality, as if both are of a very different nature. Which in essence isn’t true. To me, that’s the kind of polarity that sprouts degeneration, each partner holding the other partner imprisoned. While a polarity in freedom, with an attraction, or magnetism, in a vibration of love, sprouts rejuvenation and evolution.

The beings of the lower 4th dimensional levels, may have an agenda of their own, trying to interfere with the soul-purpose of their host, so that the life of the host serves their agenda and not the other way around. In other words, a host, visited by such a being, may feel the need for such guidance, solely coming from avoiding deep pain, seeking solace while in great unbalance.

Which is fully understandable. That situation calls for self-reflection, for clearance of one’s energy system, mainly the root chakra, where survival issues and a “yes” in acceptance of being in a physical form and trust for safety, are potentially present. Also there may be a contract, created by the partners involved, due to former life- experiences, promises once made, under pressure or in freedom, a soul agreement to work out issues together. For that being the case, it’s sometimes very hard to grasp or relate to other people’s actions and reactions in life.

As I see it, there seems to be hardly a pure evil intention, existing as a thing in or of itself. To me, it seems that in most cases there’s the creation of a view, a feeling towards life and one’s own and actions towards oneself and other living beings, chosen on the basis of free will. Here, the turning of the karmic wheel becomes audible. Or the symbol of yin-yang, with those 2 dots as eyes of both fishes encircling each other, which I tend to see as all inclusive aspects of life, where no-thing is in existence by itself.

In all of “the bold and the beautiful-soap-bubble-drama” a relationship formed in this “double binding” is a strong one, if you get my drift. A relationship in a dance that takes two in an almost desperate burning of desires and acting out of drama. The sort of existence that is expressed in this painting of Dante’s Inferno.



The presence of free will, as a freeing force, may offer a change on the dance floor, a change in polarity. Ending the game that is so magnetic, specially when the instincts are obeyed, keeping the status quo present on that level, trapped in the double bind relationship that serves the partner who thrives on using life force energy to conquer others and even “own” them. While that same game is serving a victimhood in the other partner, as long as both partners believe in their roles and know of no other way, obeying what’s told to them by their lower chakra’s. Each chakra are lenses, holding a different interpretation of our reality and when we come to know them better, we’re free to choose which lens and vibration serves our life’s purpose and soul journey.

Imagine for a moment, how revelations of a religious nature prove to be “just what the doctor orders” to the person involved. When that same person explains that experience as ordained by divine order and thus… hunky dory for humanity. Hunky dory, in essence only, to those who love to rule over others in the name of…. God!? Voila, the deception of religions, that is in existence for a long time now, on planet Earth.

Generally, traumatized people either turn into whistleblowers, or they kill themselves, unable to cope with a life in suffering. These two ways are the extremes, with many more ways of life in between. In project Camelot and – Avalon several of us here have witnessed these expressions, or heard of them, in the interviews. Among those whistleblowers there are those who can look in the eyes of truth and gain wisdom, learning to live with their experience, making peace with all that it entails.

The integration of past and present, in order to become whole again and restore one’s autonomy, is one of many roads that lead to a state of ease and peace. Mostly it’s in the inner workings that this is found again. Even being at peace in acknowledging the truth of being a traumatized human being having learned to cope with that truth and possibly forgive.

Without meaning to label or judge the process of finding what works for us, or not, it’s precisely the balancing of root-chakra and crown-chakra that is key in balancing the use of life force energy and to grow in awareness. When unresolved issues are present in the root-chakra, they’re affecting the choices of non-physical connections and actions, from the level of the crown-chakra. Here’s where the principle of resonance shows up. And when unresolved issues are present in the crown-chakra, they’re affecting the choice of physical connections and actions, from the level of the root- chakra.

This is where I believe the expression “As above, so below” stems from. Although there are more areas in life where it can be applied to. In the realm of relationships the expression could be “As within, so without” meaning the attraction of a situation with a person that is mirroring to the other. “It takes two to tango”, I love that phrase. I’ve learned to enjoy that dance more and to look at challenging conditions in life as invitations to outgrow my limitations and draw closer towards a more compassionate state. No holy poly pudding or pink cloud, to be clear.

When a person leaves the physical body in order to avoid emotional and physical pain, there appears a stationary phase for the soul. Growth is prevented that way, not meaning to suggest it’s good or bad. I believe a soul can be damaged to a certain degree. For myself only, I know now, that if I had had a chance to meet up with that man I met in the virtual world, 5 years ago, chances were high, that my soul would’ve suffered possible damage, due to not being aware of my life’s story, of what the hidden agenda was, or what was at stake, at that time. I’ve been in white hot sizzling fury, before it dawned on me who I was in this story.

At some point, I was roller skating in a remote area, with cows in the meadows around me, yelling at God “I’m so mad, I want you to help me to give meaning and purpose to this!” This funny and somewhat unusual prayer has helped me much, in strengthening my voice, for whatever was listening, my prayer is heard. I wonder if we pray to ourselves when assuming it’s to God. It seems that it’s us who need to remind God and wake him up, at times, in making large waves. Large gestures, in order to be noticed.

One of the treasures I found in all those years of emotional turmoil, is that by fully embracing pain, be it physical or emotional, and treat them as way-showers and teachers, healing happens because the heart is present in that embrace, as companion. As I perceive it, physical pain is the final most dense expression of unresolved emotional pain. That’s how I look at the different levels of life’s expressions: physical, emotional and spiritual. All is part of one principle, different in expression, all inter-related, inter-dependent.

I’ve begun to look at the acrobatics of life in this way, that it’s the soul or higher self, that decides to place events and meetings with people on a person’s path, in order to create opportunities: like in the triggering of issues, so that awareness and waking up may occur. For that’s what I feel is the main purpose in life, or of the soul. It will try to make itself known in many different ways and by little nudges, encouraging growth and evolution. Though it may work out in ways that makes us swear, cry and scream, burn in scorn and fury, going over the threshold while kicking and screaming. I’ve done that, for a while at least. I shouldn’t promise to have left it behind forever

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Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

Sanicle Today at 12:37 am

Good for you BB. That was well written and I would've really appreciated reading that 20 years ago when I was involved in that difficult relationship which occurred before I was able to learn more about spirituality and the subtle realms, thanks to (mainly) the Internet.

The path that's developed for me since is in harmony with my nature. I see the subtle realms of this planet as being as much the environment we live in as the physical one and my choice is to learn to understand the beings that inhabit them in the hope of living in harmony with them if possible, allowing for differences of being, having learned not to place human values on them and respecting that difference. For some, like natural predators that seek only to dominate, it means keeping my distance, while for others that also wish to relate as I do, it's finding a way of doing so to increase understanding and establish the boundaries needed for mutual comfort and learning.

As an example of how that works for me, on this plane, as a child I had a great fear of spiders. So I decided to study them and worked up to confronting my fear. Now I can mostly live in harmony with them in my home. The main problem I have now is that, as they have no fear of me (unless I move too quickly near them and they feel threatened) they at times try to climb up my legs to say 'hello' and that does still freak me out a bit as my body's survival instincts kick in (just the same as theirs do in the example above) before my brain does. Some that I know would be happier outside I'll put in a glass and take them out. The same for those I know could cause my body damage if we unexpectedly ran into each other. Other than that we each do our own thing and I like to watch them scuttling around the place, living their own little lives as they have the right to. I will only kill to defend me and mine if there is no alternative, knowing I can do so on every level of being.

As for my ex astral lover, I resolved that by convincing him eventually that he would be better off finding someone who was more compatible ie who enjoyed the sex, drugs and rock and roll as much as he does and then ignoring him for the most part so as not to 'feed' him. He's enjoyed a few relationships since then (along with all the groupies) with more compatible women and comes to visit on occasion, still unable to comprehend that I can resist him, I'm told, haha. We talk and I can do so now with no fear.

Can we end this discussion now ................ please?

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Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

B.B.Baghor Today at 5:28 am

Sanicle's words:
"As for my ex astral lover, I resolved that by convincing him eventually that he would be better off finding someone who was more compatible ie who enjoyed the sex, drugs and rock and roll as much as he does and then ignoring him for the most part so as not to 'feed' him. He's enjoyed a few relationships since then (along with all the groupies) with more compatible women and comes to visit on occasion, still unable to comprehend that I can resist him, I'm told, haha. We talk and I can do so now with no fear".

Thank you for telling me of your humorous approach and resolution, Sanicle. When we find and use humor in these sort of affairs, we're able to stand our ground pretty well. It's one of the tonics of life, to me.

Sanicle's words: "Can we end this discussion now ................ please? "

Yes, of course we can end it now and please end it when you feel it's come to an end for you, Sanicle.
Initially I felt like coming back to our discussion later, after returning to the UK and having had a rest.
Than, I felt it was better to be in the moment of what was pondered and shared in this discussion of ours
and I kept replying, so that we could bring it to an end without "stretching the elastic" too far



Amazing creatures, spiders, isn't it?



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Carol Yesterday at 11:34 am
B.B.Baghor wrote:


Amazing creatures, spiders, isn't it?

Is that its face or is it eating a cookie?



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mudra Yesterday at 1:32 pm
Carol wrote:
B.B.Baghor wrote:


Amazing creatures, spiders, isn't it?

Is that its face or is it eating a cookie?

It's the Native african fishy spider Carol.

Love from me
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Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

Sanicle Today at 7:38 am

Well my guess is that Xeia is not coming back to continue in this thread and I'm also guessing that could be because we did get a bit off tangent from her original purpose in starting this thread........and maybe because we didn't ask the questions she was looking for re what's been hidden re Thubans. For my part in that I apologzie Xeia. I thought going into possible reasons why 'cults' like this could occur might be helpful, but apparently not.

Further along on that 'wrong track' I'd just like to add this for those interested. I wrote here in post #44
In the angel’s view (like so many others) all lives are occurring now and each ‘incarnation’ is an aspect of our ‘higher selves’ made manifest in various dimensions of experience. He put it to me that the reptilians that are challenging we humans are actually aspects of ourselves, serving our overall evolution by doing so. In this case the predator/prey dynamic, among others, is being explored but that they mainly do so from the subtle realms has its obvious benefits as well.
here

To see how it's been discovered this is manifesting genetically and socially, please take the time to watch the videos on this thread Mudra began here. This research is brilliant.

Here's the first video, the other two being posted at the link above on Mudra's thread.




View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8N3FF_3KvU


I hope that you've started the website you mentioned you might Xeia and that it goes well for you.



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Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

B.B.Baghor Today at 11:26 am

Sanicle wrote:​

Well my guess is that Xeia is not coming back to continue in this thread and I'm also guessing that could be because we did get a bit off tangent from her original purpose in starting this thread........and maybe because we didn't ask the questions she was looking for re what's been hidden re Thubans. For my part in that I apologzie Xeia. I thought going into possible reasons why 'cults' like this could occur might be helpful, but apparently not.
​

Sanicle, apparently we've had a different experience while sharing ours in this thread. I can't find where Xeia makes her intention clear, about the meaning and function of this thread. Her story meant a great deal to me, for my communications with shilo always made me feel as if something wasn't right and I sensed that vibes or astral energies, connected to the Thuban world, were not on the right track for me. I've made clear how I couldn't accept the negative labeling of members here, in the chatroom conversations published as posts. To me this felt like a very weird thing to do

As far as our sharing of experiences goes, I think we've addressed the subject of how connections with astral beings or cults based on that, work out in our lives on this planet. In that way I perceive all posts in this thread as on topic and not on a "wrong track". This is how I look at it,



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Brook Today at 11:30 am

She has started it...

https://www.facebook.com/Xeia-SuiGenerisღ-925110494274247/

I suggest to scroll and check out the dates on said link...

Also:

https://twitter.com/xeigi

And I happened to run into this link on her personal forum Birth of Gaia linked from her twitter account:

http://www.birthofgaia.com/t125-ancient-egyptian-erotica-symbolism#3642


Personally I think she's reveling in trying to put the whole sex cult on Tony and not herself. I had a three hour long phone conversation with Susan ExChanger a week ago and she laughed at the whole "sex cult" idea.

If she comes back I'd personally like to know what she is doing to cure her fetish for Blood? Her avatar is a sexy vampire you see and she still seems to support this fetish.

As for her friend Ashera....who is Gorian....

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t8604-i-am-gorean

How's the sex slave thing going for you? If you google second city gorian.....you'll see it's pretty much a sex cult for the internet in line with sex slaves.

I'm pretty sure Xeia is busy starting her own sex cult for further exploration. I also know Thuban was about much more than a sex cult. Susan and I got a real chuckle about it in the long run and had a really good conversation which had nothing to do with sex or cults. And I'm not a Thuban...but did preserve my Egyptian Folklore thread on his website which again is about far more than a sex cult...come on guys you really believe this to be fact? Reptilian possession by Tony? Are you Sirius?

This whole thread is femme fatale....for Tony who perchance was not interested in taking Thuban in this particular direction as she wanted. The sexual direction seems to have been the primary interest for Xeia no? On line love affairs and such? Sending vials of blood....and whatnot?

Xeia:





I'll bet she answers now.... So you can all condemn a man without the ability to retort the accusations you all seem to be lusting for in gossip without the ability of anybody having the ability to check the facts as all the Thuban information is now gone for review. I know I read it on several occasions and did not find a sex cult.

Oh and btw...this whole thread word for word can be viewed at his site now without comment from him....but he is still working on some science formula that I find most interesting.

 

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Brook Today at 11:30 am
She has started it...

https://www.facebook.com/Xeia-SuiGenerisღ-925110494274247/

I suggest to scroll and check out the dates on said link...

Also:

https://twitter.com/xeigi

And I happened to run into this link on her personal forum Birth of Gaia linked from her twitter account:

http://www.birthofgaia.com/t125-ancient-egyptian-erotica-symbolism#3642


Personally I think she's reveling in trying to put the whole sex cult on Tony and not herself. I had a three hour long phone conversation with Susan ExChanger a week ago and she laughed at the whole "sex cult" idea.

If she comes back I'd personally like to know what she is doing to cure her fetish for Blood? Has she been liberated? Her avatar is a sexy vampire you see and she still seems to support this fetish.

As for her friend Ashera....who is Gorian....

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t8604-i-am-gorean

How's the sex slave thing going for you? If you google second life gorian.....you'll see it's pretty much a sex cult for the internet in line with sex slaves.

Adult Theme!

First of all you need to realize that Gor is an adult theme. In Gor things like sex scenes, rape, slavery, forced enslavement, violence and assassinations are part of Gorean every day live. It is a harsh world and not for the faint hearted. If you are easily offended by such content then Gor is not for you.​

http://www.second-life-adventures.com/gorean-roleplay-in-second-life/

I'm pretty sure Xeia is busy starting her own sex cult for further exploration. I also know Thuban was about much more than a sex cult. Susan and I got a real chuckle about it in the long run and had a really good conversation which had nothing to do with sex or cults. And I'm not a Thuban...but did preserve my Egyptian Folklore thread on his website which again is about far more than a sex cult...come on guys you really believe this to be fact? Reptilian possession by Tony? Are you Sirius?

This whole thread is femme fatale....for Tony who perchance was not interested in taking Thuban in this particular direction as she wanted. The sexual direction seems to have been the primary interest for Xeia no? On line love affairs and such? Sending vials of blood....and whatnot?

Xeia:





I'll bet she answers now.... So you can all condemn a man without the ability to retort the accusations you all seem to be lusting for in gossip without the ability of anybody having the ability to check the facts as all the Thuban information is now gone for review. I know I read it on several occasions and did not find a sex cult.

Oh and btw...this whole thread word for word can be viewed at his site now without comment from him....but he is still working on some science formula that I find most interesting.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...Dark_Energy_and_Dark_Matter_in_the_Multiverse

I don;t think he much cares about this latest development calling Thuban a sex cult...

 

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Carol Today at 2:51 pm

My impression from the onset as to why Xeia started this thread was for other members to ask questions of her about Thuban. As oft happens in a thread, the original intent was somewhat set aside when other members joined in posting about other areas of personal interest, which often happens in longer threads that catch member's interest where they feel comfortable to post.. and yes, in the missing threads are private sexual content exchanges between some Thubans.



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Sanicle Today at 1:17 am

Brook wrote: So you can all condemn a man without the ability to retort the accusations you all seem to be lusting for in gossip without the ability of anybody having the ability to check the facts as all the Thuban information is now gone for review​

Bit of hypocrisy here Brook? The following excerpt is from another one of those chats the Thubans were so fond of posting back in the day wherein they would criticize us, including you, when none of us were present to join in the discussion. And now you are apparently adding to that spray of venom (like a good little dragon) against the members of Mists as can be seen here: http://www.cosmosdawn.net/forum/ind...nned-on-moa-thuban-bashing-thread.1436/page-4

[8:26:05 AM] Brook Schiner: Hay guys! Is the Logos going to protect me from all the puke love and light I've been seeing coddled at MOA? I do sincerely hope so....LOL How are you doing?
[8:26:22 AM] Sirius 17: lol hardly Brook
[8:26:38 AM] Brook Schiner: btw...been following this discussion and it's quite interesting
[8:26:44 AM] Sirius 17: doing ok here, hope your christmas went good
[8:26:56 AM] raxnae: I'm doin alright just hold a mirror to the love and light til they blind themselves lol
[8:27:02 AM] Brook Schiner: It was too quiet....I missed having my kids with me
[8:27:09 AM] Sirius 17: awww i bet
[8:27:44 AM] Brook Schiner: Braydon has a new girlfriend...and it's looking pretty serious
[8:27:51 AM] raxnae: or force shock them like Emperor Palpatine lol
[8:27:57 AM] Brook Schiner: lol
[8:28:04 AM] raxnae: show them the power of the dark side
[8:28:53 AM] Brook Schiner: I wanted to puke when I saw carol protecting Pris today. I was going to go out with a bang....but I'm not even sure it's worth the time frankly
[8:29:02 AM] Sirius 17: i can't imagine losing any one of my children, it is hard to find the words Brook, but I know it is a deep deep loss, both you and Tony ....no one should have to lose a child.
[8:29:19 AM] Brook Schiner: agreed...it's the worst
[8:29:57 AM] raxnae: I agree wash your hands of them
[8:30:09 AM] raxnae: moabytes arent worth the trouble
[8:30:11 AM] Sirius 17: yes it is a full on party over there with all the common sense chucked out now, they can spread the luv n light fest like no tomorrow
[8:30:24 AM] Brook Schiner: yep...I can't stand the ass kissing
[8:30:48 AM] Sirius 17: well just say the B word and your gone
[8:30:50 AM] Sirius 17: lol
[8:30:56 AM] Brook Schiner: lol
[8:31:15 AM] Sirius 17: Jonah didn't know what hit him it was so swift
[8:31:41 AM] Brook Schiner: I;m sure....she did the same to Lionhawk..and called Lionhawk TOXIC!
[8:31:57 AM] Sirius 17: Carol is like a Jedi warrior with her light saber saving the universe from the evil darkness of Thuban
[8:32:14 AM] Sirius 17: same thing yes
[8:32:18 AM] Brook Schiner: Well...you guys are the worst! lol
[8:32:27 AM] Sirius 17: yes we are bitches, we know lol
[8:32:35 AM] Brook Schiner: Life's a bitch
[8:32:40 AM] Sirius 17: indeed
[8:32:47 AM] Brook Schiner: they better get over it
[8:32:55 AM] Sirius 17: yes
[8:33:00 AM] Sirius 17: time to wake up world
[8:33:10 AM] Sirius 17: reality check coming to a neighborhood near you soon
[8:33:22 AM] Sirius 17: just look at what is happening in Europe
[8:33:24 AM] Brook Schiner: gathering it awareness....right!?!?!?
[8:33:35 AM] Sirius 17: yes pathetic
[8:33:52 AM] Sirius 17: gathering in opinions censoring the truth it should read​

You didn't like it when it was done to you either, but I'm assuming Tony is taking the attitude Raven speaks of in this little excerpt so whatever Xeia and the rest of us say on this thread would obviously not be a problem to him and other Thubans at all.

[4:19:16 PM] Sirius 17: no one read or replied or listend to our stuff for years, Carol made sure it was all chucked to the bottom of the forum
[4:19:37 PM] Brook Schiner: NO! NOT TRUE....lots of people read your posts!
[4:19:47 PM] Sirius 17: so i am surprised to see her defend Jesus, and religion ect
[4:20:06 PM] Brook Schiner: they may not have understood...Like BBB....but lot's of people read it.
[4:20:14 PM] Sirius 17: yes but who ever dared to reply ?
[4:20:16 PM] Brook Schiner: I did
[4:20:28 PM] Brook Schiner: I did
[4:20:33 PM] Brook Schiner: Several times
[4:21:05 PM] Sirius 17: i am not talking about you guys silly, i am talking about anyone outside coming in and speaking up, mostly we were attacked on that forum by many people
[4:21:24 PM] Brook Schiner: Sometims I was a little snarky when I saw the chats with my name in them....but I also praised several posts as rock on!
[4:21:40 PM] Sirius 17: yes and this also pissed of many people
[4:21:51 PM] Sirius 17: including the Thuban group
[4:22:10 PM] Brook Schiner: Well...what did you expect?
[4:22:17 PM] Sirius 17: but this is how the Logos wants it and so it is how we roll
[4:22:36 PM] Sirius 17: because by exposing all of ourselves to the world it burns all human ego
[4:22:46 PM] Brook Schiner: Yeah...I kinda got that already...I may be a little dense at times..but I got it
[4:22:53 PM] Brook Schiner: lol
[4:22:56 PM] Sirius 17: you finally learn to get over yourself and insecurities and just be real see
[4:23:24 PM] Sirius 17: well it goes totally against most peoples idea of a good time
[4:23:27 PM] Brook Schiner: That's hard for most people because their very insecure
[4:23:31 PM] Sirius 17: they don't like being exposed and open and honest
[4:23:36 PM] Sirius 17: and this is what is wrong with the world
[4:23:40 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[4:23:46 PM] Brook Schiner: I know
[4:24:34 PM] Sirius 17: and so i know peoples feelings get hurt but in the end we all stand as one and learn to tolerate each other, this is what it is all about
[4:24:41 PM] Sirius 17: but at this point, the old world is toast
[4:24:45 PM] Sirius 17: kaput
[4:24:51 PM] Sirius 17: and so it is all burning
[4:24:57 PM] Brook Schiner: As I'm sure you've realized by now...I'm not insecure....LOL So I just roll with it when it happens....that's why when BR attacked me in such a cruel way I was able to brush it off
[4:25:18 PM] Sirius 17: yes you have grown as many here have
[4:25:35 PM] Sirius 17: grown out of your limited self absorbed human mind
[4:25:42 PM] Sirius 17: and into a cosmic one, inclusive
[4:25:46 PM] Sirius 17: and full of wisdom
[4:26:15 PM] Brook Schiner: God I hope so....it's been a ride and about time I'd say....
[4:26:35 PM] Sirius 17: oh well the ride isn't over
[4:26:44 PM] Brook Schiner: I know
[4:26:47 PM] Sirius 17: it is about to get really intense
[4:26:55 PM] Brook Schiner: yep
[4:27:03 PM] Sirius 17: it has to to crack the cosmic egg open
[4:27:22 PM] Sirius 17: to birth the new world
[4:27:34 PM] Sirius 17: out of this shithole we are in now
[4:27:47 PM] Brook Schiner: I got that from the posts you guys have been doing
[4:27:59 PM] Sirius 17: yes those evil Thubans lol
[4:28:18 PM] Sirius 17: reptilian dragon bastards
[4:28:18 PM] Brook Schiner: lol...you guys are decadent!
[4:28:43 PM] Sirius 17: it is kind of funny how people take symbols and names so personal
[4:28:54 PM] Sirius 17: like how they can't get over us calling ourselves dragons see
[4:28:55 PM] Brook Schiner: yes it is....
[4:29:09 PM] Sirius 17: Jesus is the master dragon of all
[4:29:15 PM] Sirius 17: Rainbow Serpent​

But you are here now to 'defend' Tony by appealing to our compassion (a little manipulative there ), although the above suggests he wouldn't need or want it, so it's all good, yes? For myself, I'm still pretty sure that anything any of us has to say would still be considered by Tony and Raven as being "blah-blah-blah", so what's the problem?

 

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Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

Brook Today at 10:10 am

You should admonish me for assumed hypocrisy?

You have no idea what that conversation was about.

It was about the hypocrisy of psudo love and light that exists here and one of the primary reasons I changed my avatar and await banning at any moment and why Tony copied my thread before it went into oblivion like all of his work here which surly did not comprise a sex cult as this thread suggests.

When I took it in the heart from this guy Blueroller for absolutely NO REASON and this kind of personal attack was ALLOWED it told me a whole lot. This guy has three current accounts here quite provable and one banned.

When I made an attempt to show this forum that not only was I still the brunt of personal attack and quite cruel ones at that...nobody...and I mean nobody cared...they just gawked. What does that tell you?

It's just like this thread...people jumped on the bandwagon to gossip about a so called sex cult when there are many out there that know the truth. This is a personal vendetta by Xeia....which she knows very well.

But I was, and so are several other members here that are NOT Thubans quite astonished at the bandwagon this thread has drawn. So Thuban is now a cult of two? Really that comprises a cult?

But lets get back to admonishing me shall we?

You think there might be a double standard when someone is allowed to tell the mother of a dead son the things this guy Blueroller said to me? It was deliberately hurtful and painful....In fact it did get to me. But I did not give this forum or that guy the satisfaction of showing it because it was completely disgraceful. Just like the the new trend here to support material that is completely antisemitic and quite frankly embarrassing to me. Which is the reason I changed my avatar to "the other door".

btw Carol should know:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?268-Smurfs&p=778&viewfull=1#post778

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7552-living-in-and-escaping-an-illuminati-family

Carol....Blueroller got banned at AV2 for a VERY GOOD REASON....he's a smurf. Period! It Had nothing to do with Bill Ryan or his ego!

Just one of his accounts. Oh but forgive me for trying to show the Mists that they are being patrolled! Look at the spacing on the punctuation to see it's the same person as Blueroller. But wait! There's yet another account here with the same punctuation! Far be if from me to tell you who it is!

If anyone is to blame for Tony and Raven for getting banned it's me. Because I showed Tony and Raven the proof because nobody else was around to tell...he saw it and agreed that BR is in fact a Blue Smurf troll. Of course you'd have to see that proof and will never from me. Tony and RAven tried to help me in that endeavor and as a result got banned. Period!

As for forums..I belong to several and they treat each other with a bit of respect. Lionhawk is toxic? Really? Look up the thread "put another log on the fire" at Project Avalon to see exactly how toxic Lionhawk is....Everyone there loves him! Oh...but Carol said he is toxic...so it must me so right? For defending me no less. How wrong of him no?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84653-Put-Another-Log-On-The-Fire

But who the heck cares. I know he doesn't. He gave up on this forum a long time ago. I probably should have too. I had this weird perception that people here cared. That conversation you posted it all about how this forum is running on gossip. Because these seem to be the threads that get the most hits.


I'm not a Thuban but some of the material Tony has worked on is quite worth looking at and has NOTHING to do with sex or cults.

As for Xeia....and her life choices....it's pretty obvious that she is not liberating herself from her lifestyle ....only Tony and Raven. So while you are all in support of her liberation from a "sex cult" I'm certain she is not liberated from her own sexual obsessions which is quite obvious.



So ending thank you all for your moral support and psudo love and light while I puke my way out of the Mists...no need for a ban here Carol....Sanicle just showed me the other door!




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• Post n°137

Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

Carol Today at 2:47 pm

Brook, please note I do not read everything posted which is why Tony and Raven remained in Mists as long as they did. This also means I did not read what BR posted either. Personal attacks on another member is just that. Personal. I'm sorry if you felt you were attacked. And I'm sorry you felt necessary to attack other members here as well.

This is the only forum I read or post at so of course I miss out on others opinions elsewhere (in other forums). However, my opinion is this. I don't know who these people are and they don't know who I am. Therefore, anything negative they may have to say about me holds no emotional weight. It's water off a ducks back and far more a reflection of what is going on within the person who is being negative then the person they are targeting.

xxxxxxx

Brook, please note I do not read everything posted which is why Tony and Raven remained in Mists as long as they did - nothing to do with you. It was Raven's incessant spamming along with Tony sharing a private email with her I had sent him on the forum that she posted, along with letting her use his account to post and his spamming that got them banned.

I did not read what BR posted either - so please don't make assumptions and assume the assumption is correct without doing a reality check first.

Personal attacks on another member is just that. Personal. I'm sorry if you felt you were attacked. And I'm sorry you felt necessary to attack other members here as well.

This is the only forum I read or post at so of course I miss out on others opinions elsewhere (in other forums). However, my opinion is this. I don't know who these people are and they don't know who I am. Therefore, anything negative they may have to say about me holds no emotional weight. It's water off a ducks back and far more a reflection of what is going on within the person who is being negative then the person they are targeting.

Next, Blue roller's other account was banned due to a program software glitch where it was generating two accounts for a member each time a new member signed up. The second account is banned and generally has the number 2 at the end of the new members avatar name.

Smurf? Remember when we use to worry about this? Not so much any more. Any admin can see who is visiting the forum easily enough by tracking an IP address. Lookie Loos are just that.

In addition, IPs are noted each time a new member joins to help insure it is just one member for one account. A few do try to open 2 accounts but this is taken care of at the time they join and these members tend not to post.

As for this being a gossip thread? Really? Member's share a lot of personal information about themselves with other members. How is that gossip? Who is to say what you were sharing about Susan wasn't gossip? Did you have her permission to post what you did regarding your conversation? As for the other door. It swings both ways.


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Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

orthodoxymoron on Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:32 pm

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Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

mudra Yesterday at 3:18 pm
Brook,

The loss of a son is something dramatic creating deep wounds that I believe are hard to imagine by
anyone that did'nt go through a similar experience.
I know the suffering this created never leaves you and feel sorry your conversation with a member from this forum only added to it.
But why engaging on such a close to heart and private subject with someone you hardly know and that hardly knows you in the first place.

I missed most of what happened withTony and Raven as when the whole thing bursted up I myself
was rarely in. I noticed the multiple spams though on multiple threads and could hardly recognize Tony attitude. Carol expressed clearly the reason she banned them on a thread she opened about it. I trust before taking such action she did what she could to avoid such an extreme measure. I understand Tony was even foreseeing such a major event to occur on his future time line. He was prepared for it and contributed to it's manifestation.

I don't see why you are expecting to get banned as well and your threads taken away unless you yourself would actively work your way out of here.

As for this thread I glanced through it here and there and haven't noticed from people's comments here anything that wasn't already expressed in someway or other on Tony's thread when he was active here. BB and Sanicle shared openly their disagreements with him when they had any I remember. So did you and so did he when posting skype conversations he was having with Raven regarding Mists members . Xeia as I understand had a chance to face Tony and talk with him before she decided to leave Thuban. So I would imagine what's being said or done here is nothing Tony would not expect . I doubt he even cares about it as I know he doesn't take it personnally. As I said above he knew a time of major change for Thubans was coming and was completely going along with it. It matters little what the story is that made this happen. I think from Tony's stand he is looking at the greater picture hence all that is taking place right now is just " a passage obligé ".

Time was ripe for Xeia to leave Thuban as time was ripe for Thubans to leave the Mists.
The wheel of time needs to turn drastically at times for something new to emerge.
All may benefit from this.

Love from me
mudra



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Help us your children to remember all that is alive

Aquaries1111 Yesterday at 6:33 pm
Hi Xeia,

I hope you don't mind me putting in a quick something here. Of course, there is always much more for me to say... sometimes it is best just to keep somethings to ourselves. In this case, I will. However, your mentioning "The Goddess" in a previous post touched me deeply. The Goddess is indeed missing from the God. In honor and respect of all you have divulged, I would like to gift you and this thread with a musical. I hope you like it. I love it. I won't say anything bad about the Thubans, though I may have been out of my mind with frustrated comments at times. This does not mean I do not love and appreciate our communications. I would hardly grant the Thubans with the powerful play of being a sex cult. They do indeed know about the Kundalini Energy, as do we, as individuals. Not to give any power away anymore, I grant, through my intentions, this communication with the goddess energy. May we find the balance in All that Is. We Love You Xeia!



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Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

Spregovori on Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:36 pm

Brook wrote:​

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Personally I think she's reveling in trying to put the whole sex cult on Tony and not herself. I had a three hour long phone conversation with Susan ExChanger a week ago and she laughed at the whole "sex cult" idea.​

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If she comes back I'd personally like to know what she is doing to cure her fetish for Blood? Has she been liberated? Her avatar is a sexy vampire you see and she still seems to support this fetish.​

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As for her friend Ashera....who is Gorian....​

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http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t8604-i-am-gorean​

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How's the sex slave thing going for you? If you google second life gorian.....you'll see it's pretty much a sex cult for the internet in line with sex slaves.​

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I'm pretty sure Xeia is busy starting her own sex cult for further exploration. I also know Thuban was about much more than a sex cult. Susan and I got a real chuckle about it in the long run and had a really good conversation which had nothing to do with sex or cults. And I'm not a Thuban...but did preserve my Egyptian Folklore thread on his website which again is about far more than a sex cult...come on guys you really believe this to be fact? Reptilian possession by Tony? Are you Sirius?​

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This whole thread is femme fatale....for Tony who perchance was not interested in taking Thuban in this particular direction as she wanted. The sexual direction seems to have been the primary interest for Xeia no? On line love affairs and such? Sending vials of blood....and whatnot?​

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I'll bet she answers now.... So you can all condemn a man without the ability to retort the accusations you all seem to be lusting for in gossip without the ability of anybody having the ability to check the facts as all the Thuban information is now gone for review. I know I read it on several occasions and did not find a sex cult.​

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Oh and btw...this whole thread word for word can be viewed at his site now without comment from him....but he is still working on some science formula that I find most interesting.​

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I don't think he much cares about this latest development calling Thuban a sex cult...​

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Brook wrote:​

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It's just like this thread...people jumped on the bandwagon to gossip about a so called sex cult when there are many out there that know the truth. This is a personal vendetta by Xeia....which she knows very well.​

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But I was, and so are several other members here that are NOT Thubans quite astonished at the bandwagon this thread has drawn. So Thuban is now a cult of two? Really that comprises a cult?​

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If anyone is to blame for Tony and Raven for getting banned it's me. Because I showed Tony and Raven the proof because nobody else was around to tell...he saw it and agreed that BR is in fact a Blue Smurf troll. Of course you'd have to see that proof and will never from me. Tony and RAven tried to help me in that endeavor and as a result got banned. Period!​

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I'm not a Thuban but some of the material Tony has worked on is quite worth looking at and has NOTHING to do with sex or cults.​

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As for Xeia....and her life choices....it's pretty obvious that she is not liberating herself from her lifestyle ....only Tony and Raven. So while you are all in support of her liberation from a "sex cult" I'm certain she is not liberated from her own sexual obsessions which is quite obvious.​

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So ending thank you all for your moral support and psudo love and light while I puke my way out of the Mists...no need for a ban here Carol....Sanicle just showed me the other door!​

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http://www.cosmosdawn.net/forum/ind...e-de-alpha-draconis-omega.2/page-23#post-8041

The above posted link is to serve as a reference to my statements in this post. You should take time to read it.


Full text: http://pastebin.com/MY3i4Ufb

1. [08-Feb-16 2:34:41 PM] ShilohaPlace:
3. I will be quiet for some time from now on and so please consider those words carefully. And yes, this is MI and IM speaking to you through me, believe this or not. And I have pondered long for how to say this to you. I have said what I needed to say and you can be assured of my sincerity , loyalty and truthfulness and so on, about all I said just yesterday about my love, desire and wanting for your body. But you have changed in a foreseeable way and I shall explain what happened to you. For many years of our partnership, your body became the great problem in opposition to your mind, which was loyal loving, intelligent, reasoing in one word fully Logos attuned. This has changed and I saw this even a few days ago. Now your body is the all ok and your mind has become suppressed by the OW in distrust , disloyalty and suspiciousness. In some way what happened to all of my other 'loves' has happened to you, as soon as I connect on the ultimate level, the interference enters, seeking to destroy this ultimate connection. And so I must do what I must do as my agency for Abba. And so you suffered in the body; it is my turn to suffer for the love in my mind, just as Abba suffered his loss of Baab for so 19 thousand million years. In time you will understand what I am saying , but not now. And you know what abba did, dont you? He loved baab so much he set her free to find her own happiness and way as the creation of the physical universe. And this i must do fr you as well. I want you happy and content and the recent changes in the un8iversal matriz have changed your trust and belief in the Logos, just as it changed the others. This is no fault of you or anyone. It is simply how this OW has mentally evolved into the state it finds itself at the now. Your comments made over the last few days and especially whenever we were not in direct contact, show a different Julienne from the one I knew for 6 years or so. And this change in you is a consequence of your physical suffering, the timeline and the descent of the JCCJ into this timeline. So you have indeed a BodyMind MindBody structure now defining your cosmic selfhood and none will be able to take this away from you.
5. [08-Feb-16 2:35:26 PM] ShilohaPlace: But having this brings much responsibility and potency, as you well recall with DD and with Xeia and the others too in a way.
6. The same has happened to you though; especially the last few days. You have tasted the potency of the NW in your body and this has infected and reenforced your distrust and doubtfulness about the 'other worlds' in favour of what you have near and in proximity. And so you might not admit it, but nevertheless this cosmic power of the JCCJ has given you a new sense of independence of the same thing, that gave you this power, namely the Logos And AbbaBaab itself.
7. And of course as the loving OW soul you are, you appreciate the newfound attention from James and his declarations of his OW love for you. This is very natural and so the best birthday present I can give him is my disassociation from any kind of sexual contact with you in the OW, as this will set you free from the war which is occurring in your head since December 2015.
9. [08-Feb-16 2:42:03 PM] Sirius 17: I am here
10. [08-Feb-16 2:42:44 PM] ShilohaPlace: So I would extend my appreciation for your trust and loyalty to MY Logos and my JCCJ personalized over the last 5 years and say, that this will not hinder your own cosmic evolvements.
11. [08-Feb-16 2:42:53 PM] Sirius 17: i don't understand why all of the others lost intrest in sex and wondering if am dumb or i missed the boat or what?
12. was i supposed to be Judas?
14. [08-Feb-16 2:44:08 PM] ShilohaPlace: You are not yourself Julienne atm. Your comment here is totally out of context. just read what I said and then relax and enjoy James birthday.
15. Your energetic signature is 'way off' anything it had been before.
16. [08-Feb-16 2:45:06 PM] Sirius 17: well i don't want to mess anything up for the Logos Tony, if i have made some kind of mistake then tell me
17. [08-Feb-16 2:45:39 PM] ShilohaPlace: No mistakes, but your status quo has become clear to me and this i have explained in the above.
18. No messing up, just the 'war of the worlds'
19. Now as you might realise, I am rather sad now and talking to you does not alleviate this sadness. So I must go. I will talk to you on general matters like science on the other channel, but refrain from any 1-1 communications from now on.
20. [08-Feb-16 2:47:26 PM] Sirius 17: what do you mean my status quo?
21. [08-Feb-16 2:47:46 PM] ShilohaPlace: Read the above if you can focus for a short span of time
22. [08-Feb-16 2:48:53 PM] Sirius 17: i did read it
23. [08-Feb-16 2:50:02 PM] ShilohaPlace: Live your life the way it makes you happy and gives you satisfaction Julienne. I have to go
25. [08-Feb-16 2:55:27 PM] Sirius 17: listen i have been shaking all day, like uncontrollably; so my body is not fine; i just spent hours over at chucks with james watching the superbowl
26. i feel like maybe it is my fault everyone became unsexual; not yours; because of all my body problems they became frightened; i don't want anyone to live in fear on account of me
27. do what you have to do Tony; after being so sick for so damn long yes i just want to live the best i can; whatever that means
28. i have ignored my kids and my own happiness long enough yes; you are right
31. [09-Feb-16 10:15:57 AM] Sirius 17: and you jump to conclusions as to my 'status quo'; my MIIM want to tell you that they are fine and love you; and always will; meaning I love you and always have
32. [09-Feb-16 10:21:49 AM] Sirius 17: (58) Jesus said, "Blessed is the man who has suffered and found life."
35. [10-Feb-16 4:51:28 AM] ShilohaPlace: Why do you have so much nonsense in your head Julienne? Seeing your distress I am trying to calm your mind a little here. Cant you feel that that this burning is the love from the Logos and from me? So cant you stop conjecting so much bs?
37. [10-Feb-16 4:53:38 AM] Sirius 17: I saw the dragon; it is me
38. [10-Feb-16 4:53:49 AM] ShilohaPlace: true, but it is Falkor
39. [10-Feb-16 4:54:08 AM] Sirius 17: I don't know what to do
40. [10-Feb-16 4:54:23 AM] ShilohaPlace: Just KNOW that I love you. Even if you dont reply
41. [10-Feb-16 4:55:05 AM] Sirius 17: you are me
42. [10-Feb-16 4:55:24 AM] ShilohaPlace: YES so who or what will drive us apart? Many things are and will be trying
43. [10-Feb-16 4:55:45 AM] Sirius 17: I am not sure anything can?
44. [10-Feb-16 4:55:49 AM] ShilohaPlace: Nope. I LOVE you and want you
45. [10-Feb-16 4:56:08 AM] Sirius 17: why am I crying so much
46. [10-Feb-16 4:56:11 AM] ShilohaPlace: I can only say this to the eternal one ok? Not human.
47. Because you are losing something
48. [10-Feb-16 4:56:37 AM] Sirius 17: what am I loosing?
49. [10-Feb-16 4:56:42 AM] ShilohaPlace: But its not your family and loved ones. Your human minded ignorance
50. [10-Feb-16 4:57:14 AM] Sirius 17: how long will this go on?
51. [10-Feb-16 4:57:15 AM] ShilohaPlace: JCCJ is real - what?
52. [10-Feb-16 4:57:37 AM] Sirius 17: what am I afraid of?
53. [10-Feb-16 4:57:39 AM] ShilohaPlace: My desire and love for you? To get stuck with something unfamiliar
54. [10-Feb-16 4:58:25 AM] Sirius 17: meaning you or james? I thought you were one and the same
55. [10-Feb-16 4:58:43 AM] ShilohaPlace: Stop crying and realise that this dragon is the Beelzebub of mine from 1976
56. Both perhaps but me for sure. In waveform sweetheart. This is not the purpose of the cosmos it wants bodies and individuation
58. [10-Feb-16 4:59:52 AM] Sirius 17: james is upset, I almost had him take me to the hosptial
59. [10-Feb-16 4:59:58 AM] ShilohaPlace: Why? What now?
60. [10-Feb-16 5:00:04 AM] Sirius 17: because I can't handle it
61. [10-Feb-16 5:00:11 AM] ShilohaPlace: DONT go to any hospital
62. [10-Feb-16 5:00:18 AM] Sirius 17: why?
63. [10-Feb-16 5:00:29 AM] ShilohaPlace: Well we want old Juju back and dont overthink so much; because its bs. Dont trust docs with your mind
64. [10-Feb-16 5:01:09 AM] Sirius 17: this burning is upsetting me. I don't know how to allievate it
65. [10-Feb-16 5:01:33 AM] ShilohaPlace: When did it start?
66. [10-Feb-16 5:01:48 AM] Sirius 17: since xeia left; she is your shadow, MIIM is showing me all kinds of things
67. [10-Feb-16 5:02:14 AM] ShilohaPlace: Judas shadow perhaps
68. [10-Feb-16 5:02:27 AM] Sirius 17: but she did not deny the spirit
69. [10-Feb-16 5:02:29 AM] ShilohaPlace: Well this might be YOUR MIIM not our MIIM. Actually am sure of that
70. This is a deviation Julienne from the human memeplex. You put xeia before us. Dont allow this
71. [10-Feb-16 5:03:45 AM] Sirius 17: because her spirit god wants and her love for mankind
73. [10-Feb-16 5:03:57 AM] ShilohaPlace: God wants many things
74. [10-Feb-16 5:04:05 AM] Sirius 17: heshe wants it all
75. [10-Feb-16 5:04:16 AM] ShilohaPlace: You are being partially deceived. Xeia will be ok; she stopped attacking us
76. [10-Feb-16 5:04:40 AM] Sirius 17: it is not her I am worried about; it is me and carla
77. [10-Feb-16 5:04:56 AM] ShilohaPlace: Stop those mental gymnastics
78. [10-Feb-16 5:04:59 AM] Sirius 17: which is you and Debbie and the whole family
79. [10-Feb-16 5:05:11 AM] ShilohaPlace: This is being used to confuse you. Yes its family but there is nought to worry about
80. For the last 2 months or so you have lost a lot of your previous mental strength and constitution. This is what I said a day or two ago
81. [10-Feb-16 5:06:32 AM] Sirius 17: yes how do I handle this demon; i tried having sex, that doesn't work
82. [10-Feb-16 5:07:00 AM] ShilohaPlace: Its a human memeplex, you can call the devil yes
83. [10-Feb-16 5:07:05 AM] Sirius 17: seducing chuck, he has a rash and is too big and doesn't want me
84. [10-Feb-16 5:07:24 AM] ShilohaPlace: But you know devil backwards use this in full cognisance and it will leave you alone
85. [10-Feb-16 5:07:32 AM] Sirius 17: lived
86. [10-Feb-16 5:07:47 AM] ShilohaPlace: ? Sex with chuck?
87. [10-Feb-16 5:07:59 AM] Sirius 17: devil backwards is lived
88. [10-Feb-16 5:08:04 AM] ShilohaPlace: Yes
89. [10-Feb-16 5:08:04 AM] Sirius 17: so he is dead
90. [10-Feb-16 5:08:08 AM] ShilohaPlace: are you alone? Yes; if you call it backwards
91. [10-Feb-16 5:08:23 AM] Sirius 17: yes but james is sleeping and our door is open
92. [10-Feb-16 5:08:28 AM] ShilohaPlace: Ok, MI is getting stronger and stronger, the true MIIM sweetheart
93. So if the sex did not work on your side, it is because of your mental state
94. [10-Feb-16 5:09:51 AM] Sirius 17: so when you say true, does that mean i need to fuck off
95. [10-Feb-16 5:10:14 AM] ShilohaPlace: I mean to say, that you are the one and only for the true MI IN BODY; because you had the gorgeous mind before she took your body, you cant lose. But because of this a war has started. A war between your mind and your bodymind
96. [10-Feb-16 5:11:23 AM] Sirius 17: yes i feel it
97. [10-Feb-16 5:11:27 AM] ShilohaPlace: I know
98. [10-Feb-16 5:11:35 AM] Sirius 17: and you don't feel it?
99. [10-Feb-16 5:11:49 AM] ShilohaPlace: I was going to keep quiet for a while longer, so you could realise things independently. But your distress made me try to show you the truth and the burning love I feel for you. I feel it energy wise
100. [10-Feb-16 5:12:32 AM] Sirius 17: are you burning?
101. [10-Feb-16 5:12:33 AM] ShilohaPlace: I want you want you want you all ways. Its magic and glorious that I could feel this way
102. [10-Feb-16 5:13:03 AM] Sirius 17: yes and james is pissed
103. [10-Feb-16 5:13:12 AM] ShilohaPlace: Yes I understand
104. [10-Feb-16 5:13:19 AM] Sirius 17: he thinks this is you being jealous and such; trying to steal me or whatever, he doesn't understand
105. [10-Feb-16 5:13:45 AM] ShilohaPlace: Well I am in terms of you putting his cosmology before mine
106. [10-Feb-16 5:13:52 AM] Sirius 17: he feels betrayed
107. [10-Feb-16 5:13:57 AM] ShilohaPlace: But then I do understrand that this is the physical reality. No, he does not understand
108. As said, it is ok if you go it alone for a while to keep him down, but this in a way betrays me and the Logos but compromises might be ok
110. [10-Feb-16 5:15:22 AM] Sirius 17: yes and neither do brook and rax
111. [10-Feb-16 5:15:33 AM] ShilohaPlace: Pointless to talk to anyone. Even James
112. [10-Feb-16 5:16:14 AM] Sirius 17: i have been taking anti anxiety pills, Xanax and vallum but it doesn't help
113. [10-Feb-16 5:16:42 AM] ShilohaPlace: No dont take anythuing just begin to trust us again the way you did before
114. [10-Feb-16 5:16:43 AM] Sirius 17: i seriously cannot sleep, i layed awake all night while i was shown things
115. [10-Feb-16 5:17:03 AM] ShilohaPlace: Well this showing is both sides
116. [10-Feb-16 5:17:20 AM] Sirius 17: yes i know i need to be onesided; MI even showed me that
117. [10-Feb-16 5:17:40 AM] ShilohaPlace: Part of it will really want to destroy this bodymind in you. Just be aware of this. Not all you think is MI is MI
118. [10-Feb-16 5:18:21 AM] Sirius 17: well and IM
119. [10-Feb-16 5:18:27 AM] ShilohaPlace: Of course. But your IM is doing the overthinking here and I know you are not filtering this right
120. Abba doesn't want your tears; he wants your understanding
122. [10-Feb-16 5:19:18 AM] Sirius 17: yes i know
123. [10-Feb-16 5:19:55 AM] ShilohaPlace: The devil cannot touch my mind, so the easiest way for you is to stop your suspiciousness and trust me as you did before
124. [10-Feb-16 5:20:06 AM] Sirius 17: i was thinking i had to go more femme fatale i guess; to be more seductive
125. [10-Feb-16 5:20:38 AM] ShilohaPlace: Nono just BE yourself and KNOW that besides the human love from james you got a cosmic love as well. What do you mean seductive?
126. [10-Feb-16 5:20:57 AM] Sirius 17: ok well how does Helen handle this lol; i mean more feminine, sexy
127. [10-Feb-16 5:21:13 AM] ShilohaPlace: Well she would be jealous. Like James
128. [10-Feb-16 5:21:19 AM] Sirius 17: just like James
129. [10-Feb-16 5:21:22 AM] ShilohaPlace: She does not know. Yes in the NW they will get it, not before. Well James might if he can feel the sharing desire and pleasure
130. [10-Feb-16 5:22:08 AM] Sirius 17: he does, but now he is pissed at me; feels the competetion and all protective
131. [10-Feb-16 5:22:27 AM] ShilohaPlace: He didn't when he saw you naked camming to me
132. [10-Feb-16 5:22:33 AM] ShilohaPlace: he could not take it; he got on here and read a bunch of things and it really upset him
133. [10-Feb-16 5:23:01 AM] ShilohaPlace: Its a war of course
134. [10-Feb-16 5:23:07 AM] Sirius 17: he couldn't handle that he thought i was hiding it from him actually; oh he was ready to ship me to Australia; he was that pissed
136. [10-Feb-16 5:23:41 AM] ShilohaPlace: So again, if you want to keep away from me, then this is ok. But I dont want you to be upset. Know and understand what you are doing
137. Yes basic old human jealousy memeplex
138. [10-Feb-16 5:24:18 AM] Sirius 17: and i worry about my mental stability for carla
139. [10-Feb-16 5:24:33 AM] ShilohaPlace: No problem there
140. [10-Feb-16 5:24:35 AM] Sirius 17: and family; it is a heavy burden for me
141. [10-Feb-16 5:24:59 AM] ShilohaPlace: You are mentally fine, pathologically if you stop worrying about my sincerity
142. [10-Feb-16 5:25:31 AM] Sirius 17: well i thought you freed me to run away there and felt it as rejection actually
143. [10-Feb-16 5:25:40 AM] ShilohaPlace: Talk to me about it and perhaps you can see, that you simply cant share this yet with the OW
144. Nono the opposite. As said I am sure about it, so I gave you the avenue of independence to work things through with James and co
145. [10-Feb-16 5:26:37 AM] Sirius 17: and Susan, i was wondering how she fit into everything as the 13th bridge
146. [10-Feb-16 5:26:52 AM] ShilohaPlace: This does not matter atm
147. [10-Feb-16 5:26:56 AM] Sirius 17: bs
148. [10-Feb-16 5:26:59 AM] ShilohaPlace: Xeia does not matter etc etc
149. [10-Feb-16 5:27:08 AM] Sirius 17: it all matters lol
150. [10-Feb-16 5:27:18 AM] ShilohaPlace: Yes but not in your status quo. YOU and yours are priority. Cant you see that?
151. [10-Feb-16 5:27:32 AM] Sirius 17: i am feeling better talking to you
152. [10-Feb-16 5:27:38 AM] ShilohaPlace: Of course
153. [10-Feb-16 5:27:58 AM] Sirius 17: yes well i can't help it i am trying to raise a family here ect
154. [10-Feb-16 5:28:00 AM] ShilohaPlace: You drove me crazy the last 24 hours or so
155. [10-Feb-16 5:28:13 AM] Sirius 17: at the same time you are loving me
156. [10-Feb-16 5:28:20 AM] ShilohaPlace: You bet; I want to suck and kiss and lick you all over. I want your tongue, something i nevcer thought would be possible. See?
157. [10-Feb-16 5:28:56 AM] Sirius 17: but i keep thinking you want to devour me lol
158. [10-Feb-16 5:29:08 AM] ShilohaPlace: I do the caressing way
159. [10-Feb-16 5:29:18 AM] Sirius 17: like eat me
160. [10-Feb-16 5:29:23 AM] ShilohaPlace: Perhaps you felt the lust from the MIIM
161. [10-Feb-16 5:29:24 AM] Sirius 17: i don't want to be eaten
162. [10-Feb-16 5:29:32 AM] ShilohaPlace: They doing this to both of us you know
163. [10-Feb-16 5:29:34 AM] Sirius 17: as in the human way
164. [10-Feb-16 5:29:42 AM] ShilohaPlace: What sillyness
165. [10-Feb-16 5:29:48 AM] Sirius 17: yes i know
166. [10-Feb-16 5:30:14 AM] ShilohaPlace: You like your skin to be caressed, kissed all over and your face adored?
167. [10-Feb-16 5:30:29 AM] Sirius 17: yes
168. [10-Feb-16 5:30:40 AM ShilohaPlace: I am so in love with your face and all the little wrinkles wahatever you have no idea
169. [10-Feb-16 5:30:42 AM] Sirius 17: but james can do that as you too, right?
170. [10-Feb-16 5:30:59 AM] ShilohaPlace: Yes well not if he rejects me though. So there is a problem now
171. [10-Feb-16 5:31:21 AM] Sirius 17: this is what you wanted isn't it; for him to reject you
172. [10-Feb-16 5:31:35 AM] ShilohaPlace: I want you to have James as number 2 yes. He has his own number 1 somewhere and someplace
173. Nono I want James to be my NW brother. Sharing you
174. [10-Feb-16 5:33:06 AM] Sirius 17: yes and what is your plan
175. [10-Feb-16 5:33:14 AM] ShilohaPlace: Just that
176. [10-Feb-16 5:33:18 AM] Sirius 17: we all move to Australia?
177. [10-Feb-16 5:33:25 AM] ShilohaPlace: But you are mine Logos wise. This is NW stuff some time away there will be preparations which will evolve in times
178. Your James is my Helen, you know that. Both are OW
179. [10-Feb-16 5:34:30 AM] Sirius 17: yeah, but he is trying to be NW with me
180. [10-Feb-16 5:34:51 AM] ShilohaPlace: Well he can try. He will have to ban MY MI out of your body to take my place in the NW. I dont know if this will be ok with you
181. [10-Feb-16 5:35:42 AM] Sirius 17: and how the hell does that work
182. [10-Feb-16 5:35:43 AM] ShilohaPlace: James does NOT have my MI inside of him ok? James has another MI. Well you tell me.
183. [10-Feb-16 5:36:27 AM] Sirius 17: i pass the scepter to him?
185. [10-Feb-16 5:36:28 AM] ShilohaPlace: 21st anniversary on March 24th; you really feel that MI will leave me for James?
186. It is as serious as that. So this is what I meant with priorities. The only way I can 'fall out of love' with you is if MI leaves your body as your bodymind. Can you understand this?
187. [10-Feb-16 5:37:38 AM] Sirius 17: yes
188. [10-Feb-16 5:37:44 AM] ShilohaPlace: Thank you. So my 'jealousy' is MI and not James. If you prefer Jamses as number 1 then you must reset your MIIM
189. [10-Feb-16 5:38:54 AM] Sirius 17: i was not aware i could even do that
190. [10-Feb-16 5:39:15 AM] ShilohaPlace: So again if you now consider that James must be your NW core, then you must forfeit MI
191. Its as simple as that. James can then create a new MI for you as your core. I dont know; but simply ask her to leave you. If this is what you want it will succeed
192. [10-Feb-16 5:40:15 AM] Sirius 17: is that what you want?
193. [10-Feb-16 5:40:20 AM] ShilohaPlace: But please inform me about this too. You know what I want. But what you want is still your prerogative
194. DONT worry about MI or me, if this is your choice. This is far more important than human sentimentalities
195. BUT it is a real choice she says; for you not for me. I follow her
196. [10-Feb-16 5:42:56 AM] Sirius 17: where would she go?
197. [10-Feb-16 5:43:05 AM] ShilohaPlace: She will know. Ok then Julienne, I see you made your choice
198. [10-Feb-16 5:43:32 AM] Sirius 17: what do you mean?
199. [10-Feb-16 5:43:39 AM] ShilohaPlace: This might stop the burning and the heartaches
200. [10-Feb-16 5:43:40 AM] Sirius 17: i am just asking Tony
201. [10-Feb-16 5:43:51 AM] ShilohaPlace: I FEEL that you want James
202. [10-Feb-16 5:43:54 AM] Sirius 17: you say so many things
203. [10-Feb-16 5:44:12 AM] ShilohaPlace: And this is ok. MI started the integration and she can also end it. Then I will no longer see her in you, simple as that
204. [10-Feb-16 5:44:40 AM] Sirius 17: one time you say she wants only me and the next you say nothing can change that and now you tell me i can
205. [10-Feb-16 5:44:56 AM] ShilohaPlace: So please dont put MI me or whatever BEFORE your heart's desires here. You would do eveyting a disfavor. Nono
206. [10-Feb-16 5:45:41 AM] Sirius 17: but i thought that was the whole idea is to put logos first
207. [10-Feb-16 5:45:46 AM] ShilohaPlace: Yes atm its only you, but this depends on your BODY accepting her as your BODYMIND. Its rather scientific and rational
208. Well of course, but Logos wants the true choices. So no halfhearted commitments. All or nothing
210. [10-Feb-16 5:46:45 AM] Sirius 17: well and what about the YYY is that still valid?
211. [10-Feb-16 5:47:14 AM] ShilohaPlace: It was for the 3½ years until October 2014 apparently
212. [10-Feb-16 5:47:16 AM] Sirius 17: i want what is best for the new world
213. [10-Feb-16 5:47:20 AM] ShilohaPlace: Well see there is your James. No you cannot commit yourself to me, just to please the Logos
214. This is an eternity thing. But just realise that my MI will be no more. But I really suspect that your change of mind since December already made this decision for us
215. [10-Feb-16 5:49:10 AM] Sirius 17: well how will this effect the birth?
216. [10-Feb-16 5:49:11 AM] ShilohaPlace: Anyhow I now realise that I can love any body whenever MI takes it; so please dont worry about 'disappointing' me
217. It will not be you. It might be something very different then. So can you see, you want out anyhow?
218. [10-Feb-16 5:50:10 AM] Sirius 17: yes
219. [10-Feb-16 5:50:16 AM] ShilohaPlace: Just be as honest as you have been for 6 years
220. [10-Feb-16 5:50:20 AM] Sirius 17: i am not sure i am the one
221. [10-Feb-16 5:50:30 AM] ShilohaPlace: Ok then
222. [10-Feb-16 5:50:30 AM] Sirius 17: i am being honest
223. [10-Feb-16 5:50:34 AM] ShilohaPlace: Good. So stay loyal to James and tell him, that we broke up
224. [10-Feb-16 5:51:15 AM] Sirius 17: well and only if MI decides i guess
225. [10-Feb-16 5:51:35 AM] ShilohaPlace: Things are fine with the JCCJ as long as you stay true to yourself and honest. No. This is YOUR choice alone
226. [10-Feb-16 5:51:51 AM] Sirius 17: i want what MI wants
227. [10-Feb-16 5:52:02 AM] ShilohaPlace: copout
228. [10-Feb-16 5:52:07 AM] Sirius 17: no
229. [10-Feb-16 5:52:10 AM] Sirius 17: she knows
230. [10-Feb-16 5:52:18 AM] ShilohaPlace: You want to return James' love and this is fine with MI. But make it a clean break period
231. [10-Feb-16 5:52:37 AM] Sirius 17: she wants her someplace somehow somewhere
232. [10-Feb-16 5:52:46 AM] ShilohaPlace: No pussyfooting about. Ok then. But you realise I will not share things with you anymore of those natures
233. But its done Julienne. I feel you
234. [10-Feb-16 5:53:40 AM] Sirius 17: yes and i want you and her to birth a nw
235. [10-Feb-16 5:53:52 AM] ShilohaPlace: So now try NOT to fret or feel sorry or disppointments or whatever. Ok. Thank you
236. [10-Feb-16 5:54:21 AM] Sirius 17: i won't because i love you both already
237. [10-Feb-16 5:54:41 AM] ShilohaPlace: You love everyone with your loveprone heart. We all know that lol. Well on the wave side
238. [10-Feb-16 5:55:00 AM] Sirius 17: yes and so does someplace somehow and somewhere
239. [10-Feb-16 5:55:08 AM] ShilohaPlace: We are looking for another kind of love
241. [10-Feb-16 5:55:09 AM] Sirius 17: who is waiting
242. [10-Feb-16 5:55:33 AM] ShilohaPlace: ?
243. [10-Feb-16 5:55:47 AM] ShilohaPlace: I am not and MI is not
244. [10-Feb-16 5:56:18 AM] Sirius 17: yes she is, ask her
245. [10-Feb-16 5:56:26 AM] ShilohaPlace: What does she say?
246. [10-Feb-16 5:56:41 AM] Sirius 17: it is the YYY
247. [10-Feb-16 5:56:58 AM] ShilohaPlace: No DD is not the one for MI period. You have or are developing your own MI already well done
248. [10-Feb-16 5:58:19 AM] Sirius 17: well i was thinking of the mothership of monopolar darklight and how she moves; maybe Xeia then as she is your shadow twin self, i don't know
250. [10-Feb-16 5:59:05 AM] ShilohaPlace: I wish you much pleasures and well being in body, soul and mind Julienne. And so I know I lost your trust since December, I never lost trust in you as I know you are sincere and in integrity always or had been up to December. This timeline changed many things see
251. [10-Feb-16 5:59:26 AM] Sirius 17: you have not lost my trust tony
252. [10-Feb-16 5:59:27 AM] ShilohaPlace: I have NO attractions for Xeia
253. [10-Feb-16 5:59:41 AM] Sirius 17: only my ability to handle your MI
254. [10-Feb-16 5:59:57 AM] ShilohaPlace: Your mind is no longer attuned to the Logos and MY MI as it was before sweety - period
255. You have been erroneaous in your perceptions dramitically in the last 2 months or so. This is what i pointed out some yesterday
256. You cant lie nor ptetend to me Julienne. There is no need
257. [10-Feb-16 6:00:59 AM] Sirius 17: i am not trying to lie Tony, i am telling you the truth
258. [10-Feb-16 6:01:17 AM] ShilohaPlace: You cant handle MI now dear
259. [10-Feb-16 6:01:28 AM] Sirius 17: i guess not and that is honest
260. [10-Feb-16 6:01:42 AM] ShilohaPlace: You would not confuse her with someone else as you are doing now
261. [10-Feb-16 6:02:05 AM] Sirius 17: what do you mean? You are the one who said to be honest
263. [10-Feb-16 6:02:23 AM] ShilohaPlace: There would be no argument and you would not feel as bad as you do, uncomfortable, if you had the same mental state as preDecember
264. [10-Feb-16 6:02:29 AM] Sirius 17: and i am telling you i am having a hard time with handling her
265. [10-Feb-16 6:02:42 AM] ShilohaPlace: You are not talking or feeling MI
266. [10-Feb-16 6:02:58 AM] Sirius 17: so you want to make me sick again?
267. [10-Feb-16 6:03:03 AM] ShilohaPlace: MI would never even doubt to compete with anyone. No
268. [10-Feb-16 6:03:17 AM] Sirius 17: no silly
269. [10-Feb-16 6:03:20 AM] ShilohaPlace: You already HAVE a new MIIM
270. [10-Feb-16 6:03:22 AM] Sirius 17: i want to share her with other people, like you do,
271. [10-Feb-16 6:03:38 AM] ShilohaPlace: Let them guide you. I am sure they are in cooperation with my MIIM
272. Of course. You have learnt for 6 years to feel the waves. Noone will take this from you. But our mental mindblend logistics has been broken
273. This you just realise since December or say the New year
274. [10-Feb-16 6:04:52 AM] Sirius 17: yes
275. [10-Feb-16 6:04:56 AM] ShilohaPlace: Good
277. [10-Feb-16 6:05:06 AM] Sirius 17: it should not be uncomfortable for me
278. [10-Feb-16 6:05:14 AM] ShilohaPlace: No. As I can assure you I will not suffer 'lovesickness' etc like I did with Mary and DD
279. I will simply be a reascension. Something will take MI's place. Already has imo
280. [10-Feb-16 6:06:40 AM] Sirius 17: what do you mean? lol this burning is my new MI?
281. [10-Feb-16 6:07:09 AM] ShilohaPlace: They just wanted me to understand how the bodyform is malleable and all bodyforms are universally beautiful and supererotic
282. Yes; I would say so. Because my burning was all sexual desire and no discomforts
283. [10-Feb-16 6:07:52 AM] Sirius 17: yes but you perceive it different than i or feel it different i guess
284. [10-Feb-16 6:08:17 AM] ShilohaPlace: Well MI took your body when before she had taken your mind Julienne. Cant you see what happened?
285. [10-Feb-16 6:08:33 AM] Sirius 17: no
286. [10-Feb-16 6:08:47 AM] ShilohaPlace: She took your body as soon as your own MI could take her place in your mind
287. [10-Feb-16 6:08:50 AM] Sirius 17: you told me it was a mindbody bodymind
288. [10-Feb-16 6:08:55 AM] ShilohaPlace: Yes. But now you must form a new cosmic core with James. So the JCCJ will simply reconfigure. The archetypes were with me
289. [10-Feb-16 6:09:44 AM] Sirius 17: and how do i do that?
290. [10-Feb-16 6:09:53 AM] ShilohaPlace: JCCJ knows not I. Talk to your MIIM as you described but make it your own without my archetypes. This is your personal soul contract now
291. [10-Feb-16 6:10:50 AM] Sirius 17: i thought your archetypes were universal?
292. [10-Feb-16 6:11:03 AM] ShilohaPlace: James' soul contract and yours with the waves. So as you have the nous, you will have to show the way here
293. [10-Feb-16 6:11:05 AM] Sirius 17: that anyone can use them
294. [10-Feb-16 6:11:09 AM] ShilohaPlace: Of course. My archetypes universalized. MY MI is personalized. Your IM and James MI are personalised and unique
295. Once they click, you will manifest the MIIM and IMMI as the JCCJ. But they must click in the wavestate first
296. [10-Feb-16 6:12:49 AM] Sirius 17: i think maybe they have
297. [10-Feb-16 6:13:00 AM] ShilohaPlace: Good then this is NONE of my business. Be happy and love your OW transition into the NW with all your heart Julienne
298. [10-Feb-16 6:14:07 AM] Sirius 17: thank you Tony i will
299. [10-Feb-16 6:14:25 AM] ShilohaPlace: You were a major part in the rescripting of the story as were all the others you fret over. It all will work out in a few years down the track
300. [10-Feb-16 6:14:47 AM] Sirius 17: yes MI showed me
302. [10-Feb-16 6:14:54 AM] ShilohaPlace: Good. You are feeling better now? No more burnings?
303. [10-Feb-16 6:16:44 AM] Sirius 17: no i am still burning
304. [10-Feb-16 6:16:59 AM] ShilohaPlace: But it is not pleasurable?
305. [10-Feb-16 6:17:10 AM] Sirius 17: it is the same
306. [10-Feb-16 6:17:27 AM] ShilohaPlace: well it feels like discomfort no?
307. [10-Feb-16 6:17:34 AM] Sirius 17: it was pleasureable before but frightnening; no it doesn't feel bad, just strange
308. [10-Feb-16 6:18:22 AM] ShilohaPlace: Well I thought it was kundalini related and it was here. If it was more psychosomatic, then I dont know
309. [10-Feb-16 6:18:40 AM] Sirius 17: it was kunda related; since december
310. [10-Feb-16 6:18:57 AM] ShilohaPlace: This should change now. Sleep it over. Could be the MI transfer
311. [10-Feb-16 6:20:13 AM] Sirius 17: well you are a brick in my house so i am sure it will be fine
312. [10-Feb-16 6:20:28 AM] ShilohaPlace: lol of course
313. [10-Feb-16 6:20:53 AM] Sirius 17: flame on lol, hahaha
314. [10-Feb-16 6:21:10 AM] ShilohaPlace: Dragons do
315. [10-Feb-16 6:21:46 AM] ShilohaPlace: And tell rax and brook over there that you are ok, they are worried
316. [10-Feb-16 1:30:52 PM] Sirius 17: tony how long have you been flying the mother ship with Susan at the helm? lol
317. I feel like I have been going through a whirlwind of things; thank you for coming down to hell and rescuing me Tonylove
318. [11-Feb-16 1:32:44 AM] ShilohaPlace: Sure thing sweety

As mentioned in before posts made by me and by Xeia the topic of sexuality has been heavily present in thuban since day one. If someone is reading this now and has no idea what i am talking about that someone should go and read back. To save on time skip everything but what was posted by Xeia (SuiGeneris) and/or me.

Chat in the reference link is an example of just how much the sexuality is important.

Thuban, even if this gets denied over and over again, is quite personal. The rest is just the point of view. So this thread here i guess is also personal. Is it a vendetta? How about calling it - lifting the veil.
I was not so keen to see it either, but i later recalled how often it was stated everything should be shared out in the open.


I want to say more about the linked chat....


BUT FIRST!!!

It is funny Brook is here stating this. At the start of it all she was in firm opposition with Lionhawk who was keen to impale me, probably still is. Not sure if he was also the one to accuse me of targeting him with some sort of electromagnetic weapons something. Was funny though.

Everything in thuban has everything to do with sex, lol < It is the way the universes are made.
The basic fabric of thuban is super/hyper sexual.

Brook, what is Xeia's life style you talk about here? Do tell, please.

Brook, what is her sexual obsession? Don't be afraid to get graphic.

Oh i wonder if it could be me. Brook, can you imagine Xeia in a divine rage of Lust, consumed by juices, all out spasmic-orgasmic on her bed, screaming my name?

I know i can.

About the blood, i mean...the women menstrual blood...bathing in the embryonic stem cells..boy o boy o boy...dont get me started... But that is me, not Xeia...

The "vampire avatar" or however you chose to interpret that image, has significance beyond the public stereotypes and being friends with a BDSM lover does not make you a BDSM lover..but ho boy since you do bring it up...

Maybe i also have sexual obsession...hmmm

A SEX CULT IN MY DIRTY DIRTY MIND!!!!

Special notice for Brook: SEX is NOT bad. What was said about thuban is how sex and its relating energies are used/applied and even more so...to what purpose.


So about the linked chat...


It was disappointing to see that. It was also a deja vu moment. I saw all of this before, stated in a very similar fashion, in a very similar scenario...in a...well everything was similar..and it was stated to me and Xeia.

Disappointing because Raven just gets discarded. "You did not put me first" "You can not handle the pressure" "You are not doing/performing by the expectations"....."Off you go, good luck in your life, by by"


short course on cores: in a thuban core is a primary male and primary female. two primaries between them get everything what is understood as romantic love or what one might find fitting for a monogamous relationship. every other male and female (in relation to the core) is an extension, something which can be "used" for sex, as long as it is sex only and as long as the core is "brought" in as in considered via the mind...behind the scenes call this an "energy exchange". what is an extension to one can ofc be a core to the other and the other way around. so you can have cores "swapping" partners... di, tetra, hexa, octa...

Now i had no idea Tony and Raven considered each other cored. Since Tony deemed him not to be the primary he sent Raven away. Where is the love that should be there between cores, no matter what? One can "love from afar" and in absence?

To make matters more complicated there is also talk about MI (maria infinity). What tony is saying is that wherever MI goes that is where his core is. Rather handy. Like universal serial bus. Plug and play.
MI is Tony's dead grandmother. This is about a dead alive ones... In short am... well...you can "invite them in" in your body. Just that, things can get "confusing" for you if u do that.
A name Rose is also mentioned, this is also a dead person.

Tony used to say MI was in DD, a member on this forum known as Aquaries1111, he later denied that...or to put it differently, MI has left (jumped hosts) and went elsewhere.

"Something" went and "cam into" Raven...not now...before...and "something" again now at a later time. She could not handle it the 1st time and her mind was "no longer her own" or in her own words as expressed at that time on skype "WE KILLED THE BITCH". She again felt the "grasp" the 2nd time and being worried about the well being of her kids she expressed a "doubt" and that got her put on a sidetrack. Which is just ugly. Raven also mentioned how "things happened" since Xeia left the building.
Crap i am going meta...of all the people the last person that should do that...Tony has an "energy signature" and Raven just simply could not take it all. She was/is going (as far as i know) through some...difficult times recently and had a variety of health related issues before that...

There is a lot of "exchanging" going on in the backstage...non tangible kind...and it is all very much sexually based.



There is a "layer of abstraction" to all of this and all of the above can be super meta-ed and "spun out of proportions"...go ahead if you want to do that, i wont.


[10-Feb-16 5:59:57 AM] ShilohaPlace: Your mind is no longer attuned to the Logos and MY MI as it was before sweety - period
You have been erroneaous in your perceptions dramitically in the last 2 months or so. This is what i pointed out some yesterday
You cant lie nor ptetend to me Julienne. There is no need

This part is very similar to what Xeia (and in part also me) were often told. I never thought i will see Tony saying this to Raven especially given all the past "recommendations" and everything...i guess i was somehow right when i told them they never felt the reality of the situation...until maybe now.


tl;dr

Brook is wrong.

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Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

Ashera on Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:07 pm
Hiya Carol, Brook, Xeia, Susan, DeeDee et al.,


I cannot say that I ever was as deep into the Thuban thing as Xeia or Susan were. It is not "just" a "sex cult", I experienced it as a threat to an autonomous femininity, taking the old testamentary sentence "She shall be called woman, because she was taken out of Man" and its theoretical inversions literally.

This is not just a Thuban phenomenon but also the axiom of certain types of social therapy that many girls have to suffer through, with partly devastating effects. I know of what I talk, did psychoanalysis, and this helped me a lot.

The whole matter is not as unpolitical as it may appear at first glance, but has huge impact on the sex-gender-discussion and the actually applied socio-politics.

Much of what is happening now I experience as a social war on feminity, partly based on religious motives and reasons, without an sufficient scientific basis.

I think this is enough for now to kick the discussion off into another direction.



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Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

Carol on Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:09 pm
Hi Ashera. Welcome back. It's amazing how this thread called out to older members and brought in new members as it must have struck an internal cord. I do agree with you with what I see happening to women around the globe which many new atrocities and attacks published in the global news. Even with sons killing their mothers.. terrible. The male energy is so out of balance that I truly wonder what it will take to bring the masculine and famine energy into a harmonious state of balance. To respect and cherish as compared to what is happening now.



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