Mary Of Zebedee-mother Of James & John-twins Of Thunder-essenes Aka Essenoi Tribe C1e7 #343

Mary of ZeBeDee,
The Mother of James & John,
Essenes aka Essenoi Tribe
Artist: susan lynne schwenger

Series:
The Last King Cast to The Side of Truth, C1E7
Past Lives of The Fragment #343
Thirteenth Grand cycle

 

Question:
who are the incarnations of the two Dwellers ???

what does it mean to be 'guardianing'? as Hosts

does above question - elude to 'hosting' an ascended master / in other words ? to channel ???

Two Biblical figures

Thoth's mention in the 1990's (Grail issue of Temple Doors - 1998):

 

Susan Lynne Schwenger
Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Dec 16th 2010
Salome of the Peace of the Shalom
Herodias is married to Philip (Herod Philip I), halfbrother of Antipas
(and Herod Archelaus, brother of Herod Antipas)
and leaves Philip for Antipas with her daughter Salome,
also often said to have been the 'lover' of Philip, as say her stepfather.
Salome later married another halfbrother in Philip the Tetrarch (Herod Philip II)
from the multitudinous offspring of 'Herod the Great'
(married to five wives: Doris; Mariamne I; Mariamne II, mother of Philip I; Malthace, mother of Archelaus
and Antipas and Cleopatra of Jerusalem, mother of Philip II).
John the Baptizer openly critisizes and publically 'shames'
Herodias in her new alliance to Antipas and so causes Herodias to search for a way to silence him.
Salome the Younger is enticed by Herodias to seduce Antipas
in a similar manner as implied in Salome's relationship to Philip
to take revenge on John the Baptizer.
Salome the Elder is the wife of Zebedee and
so Mother to the 'Sons of Thunder' the 'Twins of the Boarnerges' in James and John,
halfbrothers to Jesus of Nazareth
and because Salome the Elder is the sister of Mary, wife of Joseph of Jacob/Heli.
Salome the Elder becomes a 'disciple' of the Logos
with Mary Magdalene and the female circle of 12 mirroring the 12 apostles.
A later incarnation then will create harmony in the Peace of the SHALOM of SALOME
in revisiting the Herodias-Mother Salome the Younger and Salome the Elder relationships
via the 'Thunderbirds of the Nativity'.
The Exchanger (aka Susan Lynne Schwenger) will become the two Salomes in One
with Herodias incarnate as the Exchanger's Mother.
A historical playground will thus become engaged
to become harmonized and exchanged in a repeat scenario
to process the older carried 'karma' and unfulfilled premises.
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i'll try to find the article there


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Salome - one of The Mary's - Did Jesus have 12 female disciples ???

 

Mary Salome and Zebedee is a wood sculpture by Tilman Riemenschneider.

It originally formed the right wing of an altarpiece showing the family
of the Mary, mother of Jesus.

The central scene would have shown Saint Anne seated with her daughter Mary
and the Christ Child.

Mary Salome was another daughter of Saint Anne,
half-sister of Mary, and wife of Zebedee.

Riemenschneider was one of the most important sculptors
in southern Germany in the late fifteenth and sixteenth century.

He specialised in carving limewood altarpieces,
some of which were painted.

Others, such as this example which was carved in Würzburg in about 1501–05,
were given translucent glaze.

This treatment not only allowed the rich colour of the wood
to show through, but rendered the fine carving of the faces and drapery more visible.

Mary Salome is seated on a cushioned throne, turning her body to the left.

In her right hand she holds an open book on which her hand is resting.

She is dressed in a waisted gown over which is draped a mantle
falling from her left shoulder.

The half-length figure of Zebedee stands behind her,

resting on his left elbow, and holding a closed book in his right hand;

he is expressively depicted as an elderly man with sunken cheeks.

He is dressed in a buttoned robe.
Bibliography

• Jackson, Anna, ed. (2001). V&A: A Hundred Highlights. V&A Publications. ISBN 1-85177-365-7

 

Mary Salome and Zebedee

Mary Salome and Zebedee, about 1505–1510, Tilman Riemenschneider V&A Museum no. 110-1878
Artist	Tilman Riemenschneider
Year	1501–05
Catalogue	110-1878
Medium	Wood
Subject	Mary Salome and Zebedee
Location	V&A Museum

 

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Why Did Jesus Call James and John “Sons of Thunder”?


Jesus renamed Simon, calling him Peter. Jesus didn’t rename James and John, but He did nickname them “Sons of Thunder.”

Let’s read the Gospel account of Jesus recruiting His disciples. We’ll look at the first three guys and skip the rest:

“He appointed twelve that they might be with Him and that He might send them out to preach and to have authority to drive out demons. These are the twelve He appointed: Simon (to whom He gave the name Peter), James son of Zebedee and his brother John (to them He gave the name Boanerges, which means ‘Sons of Thunder’)…” (Mark 3: 14-17 NIV).

So there we have Jesus doing His appointing and name-calling. We dealt with Peter in Why Did Jesus Change Simon’s Name to Peter? Now we take a closer look at the next two disciples.




Why did Jesus give James and John the nicknames “Sons of Thunder”?

Because they were loud? Jesus found His first four disciples at the lakeshore. The Gospel of Mark says:

“As Jesus walked beside the Sea of Galilee, He saw Simon and his brother Andrew casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen” (Mark 1: 16, NIV).

Simon and Andrew decided to follow Jesus. The story continues:

“When He had gone a little farther, He saw James son of Zebedee and his brother John in a boat, preparing their nets. Without delay He called them, and they left their father Zebedee in the boat with the hired men and followed Him” (Mark 1: 19-20, NIV).

The Gospel of Luke tells us they all worked for the same small fishing business, perhaps run by Zebedee. James and John, we are told in Luke 5: 9, were “Simon’s partners.”

Reflecting on Peter, James, and John, Pastor Donald J. Gettys of McDonald Road Seventh-day Adventist Church in McDonald, Tennessee, writes, “Isn’t it interesting and natural that these life-long friends, these three buddies, became the closest companions to Jesus? The partnership continued as they went into the fishing for men industry.”

As fishermen, they were probably loud-mouthed. One Internet commentator points out, “Perhaps as fishermen they had to shout across the water, or from water to shore or vice-versa. They may have had naturally loud voices or learned how to project their voices.”

The Aramaic term Jesus used for “Sons of Thunder” was Boanerges, which now refers to a loud fiery preacher, especially one with a powerful voice.

Another commentator wrote, “There is nothing slight or gentlemanly about these guys! They worked the night shift on boats, throwing out nets and cranking them in by hand. No compass, no electric lights, no glass windows, no motor, no radar, no fish-finder. Maybe a sail, but other than that, oars. NO WOMEN in sight, so you don’t have to watch your mouth when your brother slaps you upside the head with a wet net.”

So the term “boisterous” applies. It not only means noisy and lively, but also turbulent or stormy.

Because they were dancers? Sydney Carter wrote a hymn called “Lord of the Dance” in which the life of Christ is depicted as a series of acts in a play or musical. The song contains these lines:

I danced for the fisherman,
For James and John.
They came to me
And the dance went on.

All dance routines today require choreography and special lighting. As a kid during the disco years, I wrote a poem illustrating this:

Lightbulb, lightbulb,
Flashing on and off;
Feel the heat,
Incomplete,
Really neat.

The flickering lights on the dance floor resemble flashes of lightning during a thunderstorm. Maybe James and John were dance partners.

Because they struck quickly? When James and John saw someone doing something in Jesus’ name, they immediately wanted to stop the guy, as if they were trying to prevent trademark infringement:

“‘Master,’ said John, ‘we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.’ ‘Do not stop him,’ Jesus said, ‘for whoever is not against you is for you” (Luke 9: 49-50, NIV).

James and John were just protecting Jesus and His good name, but John’s stormy heart almost prevented someone from doing good in the name of the Lord.



Because they were speed racers? When a racecar goes by on the track, it makes a thunderous noise. You sense the power and the vibration. There’s even a Thunder Road racetrack in Barre, Vermont, and the NASCAR video game is called “Days of Thunder.” Did James and John ever participate in any races? Did the Sons of Thunder ever have any days of thunder?



Did they race donkeys? How fast does a donkey run? Actually, they didn’t have any donkeys. Recall that Jesus had to borrow one to make the trip to Jerusalem.

Well, I did find one race in the Bible that might apply.

Mary Magdalene told Peter and John that tomb of Jesus was empty. The race was on! Who do you think won the race – the Rock or the Son of Thunder? Let’s find out:

“Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. They ran side by side, until the other disciple ran faster than Peter and got there first. He bent over and saw the strips of linen cloth lying inside the tomb, but he did not go in. When Simon Peter got there, he went into the tomb and saw the strips of cloth. He also saw the piece of cloth that had been used to cover Jesus’ face. It was rolled up and in a place by itself. The disciple who got there first then went into the tomb, and when he saw it, he believed” (John 20: 3-8, NIV).

Yep, the Son of Thunder won. He let Peter go into the tomb first, though, because he was a nice guy. He let the Rock investigate what was behind the rock that had been rolled away at the tomb.

Because they had gas? I don’t know exactly what the disciples ate. If I did, I’d write a book called “The Disciples’ Diet.” It would contain all the secrets that Jesus taught His followers about keeping fit and trim. Actually, I do know they ate bread and fish (that’s how Jesus fed the 5,000) and they drank wine (Jesus turned water into wine at a party, and during the Last Supper, Jesus shared a cup of wine with the disciples after He had broken bread with them). I’m thinking they must have eaten beans, too. Those can cause flatulence in some people. Maybe James and John were affected. Perhaps their gas came out in a loud burst, like thunder. Perhaps I’d better move on to another reason.

Because they had thunderous tempers? Jesus planned to go from Galilee to Jerusalem via Samaria. The Jews and Samaritans didn’t like each other, and most Jews went all the way around Samaria just to avoid the place. Jesus, though, decided to go right through that land:

“As the time approached for Him to be taken up to heaven, Jesus resolutely set out for Jerusalem. And He sent messengers on ahead, who went into a Samaritan village to get things ready for Him; but the people there did not welcome Him, because He was heading for Jerusalem. When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, ‘Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them?’ But Jesus turned and rebuked them. Then He and His disciples went to another village” (Luke 9: 51-56, NIV).

The Samaritans refused to offer hospitality to Jesus and His disciples! How dare they! This caused James and John to “blow up” and they wanted God to blow up Samaria! They wanted God to rain down fire – that sounds like thunder and lightning to me! Talk about fiery speech! They were hot-tempered! They were firebrands!

How did Jesus rebuke them? Here’s how a different translation presents the end of the story: “For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them. And they went to another village” (Luke 9:56, NKJV).




Because their dad was Thor? Maybe Christ knew Scandinavian mythology (after all, He is part of the omniscient Godhead). Thor is the Norse god of thunder, depicted as wielding a hammer, emblematic of the thunderbolt.

Or maybe Christ knew Greek mythology. One scholar actually thinks that James and John were nicknamed “Sons of Thunder” based on ancient myths. This scholar says, “this is a classic Greek mimesis (literary copy) based on Castor and Polydeuces [or Pollux], who were by birth the sons of Laertes, but were renamed sons of Zeus, the Thunderer.” Honestly, do you think James and John were named for the twins in the constellation Gemini? Their father was Zebedee, not Zeus. (Zeus was the supreme god of the ancient Greeks; he supposedly lived atop Mount Olympus, from which he hurled thunderbolts to announce his anger. Maybe Zeus and Thor are one and the same.)

As noted above, James and John asked Jesus if they could throw down fire from heaven. This leads some to speculate that maybe James and John thought of themselves as some kind of gods – maybe Greek, maybe Roman, maybe even Norse.

Because they wanted thunderous applause? They were cocky, they sought power, and the storm of personal ambition raged in them. Both Matthew and Mark record an interesting conversation regarding these two disciples. We’ll look at Mark’s version:

“James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came up to Jesus and asked, ‘Teacher, will you do us a favor?’ Jesus asked them what they wanted, and they answered, ‘When you come into your glory, please let one of us sit at your right side and the other at your left.’ Jesus told them, ‘You don’t really know what you’re asking! Are you able to drink from the cup that I must soon drink from or be baptized as I must be baptized?’ ‘Yes, we are!’ James and John answered. Then Jesus replied, ‘You certainly will drink from the cup from which I must drink. And you will be baptized just as I must! But it isn’t for me to say who will sit at my right side and at my left. That is for God to decide.’ When the ten other disciples heard this, they were angry with James and John” (Mark 10: 35-41, CEV).

In Matthew’s version, Salome (the mother of James and John) is the one who makes this request (Matthew 20: 20-28).

In any case, it shows their arrogance. They wanted the accolades of Jesus and the other disciples (but the other guys were not thrilled; they were jealous). At that point, none of them understood the Kingdom of God. There was no thunderous applause at the table.

Because they thundered out the Gospel and had stormy lives? Just as thunder and lightning unleash power, James and John became bold, intense followers of Christ. Thunder is actually a symbol of the voice of God. Here are some examples:

“The Lord thundered from heaven; the voice of the Most High resounded” (Psalm 18: 13, NIV).

When His death was drawing near, Jesus said:

“Now I am deeply troubled, and I don’t know what to say. But I must not ask my Father to keep me from this time of suffering. In fact, I came into the world to suffer. So Father, bring glory to yourself. A voice from heaven then said, ‘I have already brought glory to myself, and I will do it again!’ When the crowd heard the voice, some of them thought it was thunder. Others thought an angel had spoken to Jesus” (John 12: 27-29, CEV).

James and John echoed that thunderous voice, boldly proclaiming the Gospel. This got them into trouble. Recall that Jesus told them, “You certainly will drink from the cup from which I must drink” (Mark 10: 39, CEV). Well, they did indeed share in His suffering.

James became the first apostle to die for the faith. This happened 14 years after the prophecy quoted above. The growth of the Church was irritating the Jews, so to appease them King Herod Agrippa I (son of Aristobulus and grandson of Herod the Great) decided to persecute the Christians in AD 44. The Book of Acts tells us that James was a lightning rod:

“It was about this time that King Herod arrested some who belonged to the Church, intending to persecute them. He had James, the brother of John, put to death with the sword” (Acts 12: 1-2, NIV).

John, on the other hand, was the last of the apostles to die. John was a part of the church in Jerusalem and shortly before the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD, he moved to Ephesus (in modern day Turkey.) Tradition tells us that John became a pastor of the church at Ephesus and later was in charge of all the churches in Asia Minor. He wrote the Gospel of John, the three letters of John, and Revelation. That last one (and I do mean the last one in the Bible) John wrote while he was exiled as a prisoner on the Island of Patmos. He says so himself:

“I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus” (Revelation 1:9, NIV).

He was set free in AD 96 and returned to Ephesus. He died of natural causes in the second century, long after the other disciples had died.

The Holy Spirit transformed John from a hot-headed firebrand into “the disciple whom Jesus loved” (that’s how he refers to himself in the Gospel he wrote). The same guy who wanted fire from heaven to destroy people gave us the most-quoted Bible verse of all time: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3: 16, NKJV).



Through an intense devotion to Jesus Christ and through the power of the Holy Spirit, James and John, the Sons of Thunder, became sons of God.

Posted by Bob Kern at 11:58 PM http://beechwoodcross.blogspot.ca/2011/05/why-did-jesus-call-james-and-john-sons.html




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Herodias ., of Judaea MP

Gender:	Female
Birth:	circa -15
Death:	circa 40 (46-63)
Immediate Family:	Daughter of Aristóbulus, IV, Prince of Judaea and Berenice, Princess of Judaea Wife of Herod Phillip Antipas ., Tetrarch of Galilee and Perea Ex-wife of Herod Boethus ., II, of Judaea Mother of Salomé ., of Judaea Sister of Herod Agrippa; Herod, King of Chalcis; Mariamne ., III, of Judaea and Aristobulus the Younger

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St. Mary Salome MP

Hebrew: קָדוֹשׁ סלומה

Gender:	Female
Birth:	estimated between 47 BCE and 11 BCE Bethsaida, Galilee, Syria (Syrian Arab Republic)
Death:	after 15 Bethsaida, Galilee, Galilee, Syria (Roman Empire)
Immediate Family:	Daughter of Solomas and Hannah / Anna Wife of Zebedee Mother of Saint James the Greater and St. John of Zebedee Half sister of Escha and Saint Mary of Clopas
Curated by:	Margaret (C)

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Zebedee MP

Hebrew: זבדיי, Greek: Ζεμπεντέι

Gender:	Male
Birth:	estimated between 64 BCE and 10 BCE Bethsaida, Galilee, Syria (Syrian Arab Republic)
Immediate Family:	Husband of St. Salome Father of Saint James the Greater and St. John of Zebedee
Curated by:	Sharon Doubell

Anna's Marriages

Ancient belief, attested to by a sermon of St. John of Damascus (c. 676-749, was that Anne married once.

However, according to a medieval tradition,

Anne was also grandmother to five of the twelve apostles:
John the Evangelist, James the Greater, James the Less, Simon and Jude.

She is said to have married three times, first to Joachim,
then to Cleopas, and finally to a man named Solomas,
and that each marriage produced one daughter:
Mary, mother of Jesus;
Mary of Cleopas; and
Mary Salomae, respectively.

This legend, called the trinubium,

has been traced to Haymo, Bishop of Halberstadt (d. 853) in his Historiae Sacrae Epitome.

Anna solet dici tres concepisse Marias,
Quas genuere viri Joachim, Cleophas, Salomeque.
Has duxere viri Joseph, Alpheus, Zebedeus.
Prima parit Christum, Jacobum secunda minorem,
Et Joseph justum peperit cum Simone Judam,
Tertia majorem Jacobum volucremque Johannem. Jacobus de Voragine, 2.131.
(Anna is usually said to have conceived three Marys,
Whom her husbands Joachim, Cleophas, and Salome begot.
These [Marys] the men Joseph, Alpheus, and Zebedee took in marriage.
The first bore Christ; the second bore James the Less,
Joseph the Just, with Simon [and] Jude;
The third, James the Greater and the winged John.)​

However, the tradition is not reliable: "The renowned Father John of Eck of Ingolstadt,
in a sermon on St. Anne (published at Paris in 1579), pretends to know even the names
of the parents St. Anne.

He calls them Stollanus and Emerentia.

He says that St. Anne was born after Stollanus and Emerentia had been childless for twenty years;
that St. Joachim died soon after the presentation of Mary in the temple;
that St. Anne then married Cleophas,
by whom she became the mother of Mary Cleophae
(the wife of Alphaeus and mother of the Apostles James the Lesser, Simon and Judas, and of Joseph the Just);
after the death of Cleophas she is said to have married Salomas,
to whom she bore Maria Salomae (the wife of Zebedaeus and mother of the Apostles John and James the Greater).

The same spurious legend is found in the writings of Gerson (Opp. III, 59) and of many others.

There arose in the sixteenth century an animated controversy over the marriages of St. Anne,
in which Baronius and Bellarmine defended her monogamy." Catholic Encyclopedia.
Sources

• "St. Anne" In Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)
  

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Zebedee

En
Zebedee (/ˈzɛbɪdiː/ ZEB-id-ee; Ancient Greek: Ζεβεδαῖος, romanized: Zebedaîos;[1] Hebrew: זְבַדְיָה‎, romanized: Zəḇaḏyâ), according to all four Canonical Gospels, was the father of James and John, two disciples of Jesus. The gospels also suggest that he was the husband of Salome: whereas Mark 15:40 names the women present at the crucifixion as "Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and of Joses, and Salome", the parallel passage in Matthew 27:56 has "Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children." The Catholic Encyclopedia concludes that the Salome of Mark 15:40 is probably identical with the mother of the sons of Zebedee in Matthew.[2]
Zebedee was presumably a fisherman, "probably of some means."[3] Although named several times in the gospels, the only times he actually appears are in Matthew 4:21-22 and Mark 1:19–20, where he is left in the boat after Jesus called James and John. Mark's note that Zebedee was left with the "hired men" implies the family had some wealth.[4] Zebedee lived at or near Bethsaida.[3]
Etymology

The name given in the Gospels, Ζεβεδαῖος, is probably a transliteration of the Hebrew name Zəḇaḏyâ according to Spiros Zodhiates (The Complete Wordstudy Dictionary), or the truncated version Zabdî (זַבְדִּי), says BDB Theological Dictionary, and so means "Yahweh (or the Lord) has bestowed".[5] Other popular interpretations of the name are: "abundant" (Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary) or "my gift" (Smith's Bible Dictionary).[6]
Possible priestly connections

See also

• Mary Salome and Zebedee

References

Zebedee (New Testament figure)

Tribe of Zebulun

• Tribe of Zebulun

According to the Hebrew Bible, the Tribe of Zebulun (alternatively rendered as Zabulon, Zabulin, Zabulun, Zebulon; Hebrew: זְבוּלֻן‎, Modern: Zəvūlun, Tiberian: Zeḇūlūn, "dwelling; habitation; home") was one of the twelve tribes of Israel.
Following the completion of the conquest of Canaan by the Israelite tribes in the Book of Joshua, Joshua allocated the land among the twelve tribes. The territory Zebulun was allocated was at the southern end of the Galilee, with its eastern border being the Sea of Galilee, the western border being the Mediterranean Sea, the south being bordered by the Tribe of Issachar, and the north by Asher on the western side and Naphtali on the eastern.
Note:
Zebedee, seems was a descendant from of one of the twelve of Israel tribes, a name Zebedee pronunciation and written as similar how was tribe was mentioned and written before. Another facts what can be useful as confirmation, a Tribe of Zebulun was located in Galilee, where both Zebedee's sons James and John was born, in Bethsaida, Galilee. The name Zebedee seems is a memory of the Tribe of Zebulun.
One branch (or few?) of the tribe (also of other tribes) were migrated on the western and southeast parts of the Europe, in Greece, Europe, Italy. The their trace can be found in the Ancient of Croatia (Salona, today Solin), Dubrovnik, and other coastel cities of Dalmatia, North Continetal of Croatia), in southeast of Italy where a Greeks was founded a greek colony Magna Graecia
See also about Bethsaida:

• Bethsaida, Bible Hub, Encyclopedia
• Bethsaida, Bibleplaces.com
• Is this unearthed fishing village the birthplace of three of Jesus’ apostles?
• Where Is Biblical Bethsaida?, Samuel DeWitt Pfister February 17, 2021, Biblical Archaeology Society, 5614 Connecticut Ave NW #343, Washington DC 20015-2604
• Pronašli selo u kojem je Isus hodao po vodi, nahranio 5000 ljudi i slijepcu vratio vid, Večernji list, Zagreb, Croatia
• Where are The Ten Lost Tribes of Israel?