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Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Oct 15th 2012

Sistersites for this Dispensation of Sharing the Cosmic World Logos:
Thuban Cosmology on www.cosmosdawn.com
Thuban Cosmology on www.birthofgaia.com

this forum = http://www.birthofgaia.com/

Mayan = http://www.birthofgaia.com/t59-why-the-mayan-times-of-the-old-humanity-end-in-mayan-times-of-the-new-starhumanity#522
Hopi = http://www.birthofgaia.com/t68-the-prophecy-of-the-hopi#646

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The 13th Grand Cycle - 17 DEC 2013 - The Mayan Tzolkin of 260 Kin Calibrated to the Civil Calendar
THE DISCOVERY OF THE DECODING OF THE MAYAN SUPER NUMBER 1366560 from The Dresden Codes by Tony Bermanseder - Susan Lynne Schwenger
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root memory = http://www.birthofgaia.com/t103p60-the-archetyped-cosmogenesis-of-the-human-metamorphosis#2430

Project Avalon = http://projectavalon.net/forum/
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Jorgelito - Posted Oct 15th 2012

Thank you for speaking on Thuban -- what it is, it's origins. Thuban has an energy like the Wind that takes me where I want to go. It's not the words people speak so much -- it's a loving energy inherent in Thuban that permits me to be free, This energy percolates through the entire site. I am gratefull.

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Jorgelito - Posted 7 Hours Ago

Thank you for speaking on Thuban -- what it is, it's origins. Thuban has an energy like the Wind that takes me where I want to go. It's not the words people speak so much -- it's a loving energy inherent in Thuban that permits me to be free, This energy percolates through the entire site. I am gratefull.

You are always welcome, as are all readers on this website Jorgelito.
These two 'oldies' describe the wisdom of your soul, which you continue to share on Thuban.

And this one!

Thanking You, for your presence here!
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Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Oct 15th 2012

ISAAC NEWTON'S ALCHEMY AND EZEKIEL'S TIMELINE TO 2013 = http://www.birthofgaia.com/t153p15-the-new-world-according-to-the-book-of-life-of-the-world-logos#2417
The Mirrors of Gaia Serpentina = http://www.birthofgaia.com/t153p45-the-new-world-according-to-the-book-of-life-of-the-world-logos#2984

Tzol'kin = http://www.birthofgaia.com/t153p45-the-new-world-according-to-the-book-of-life-of-the-world-logos#2984

HERE = The Decoding of the Mayan Calendar as a Holofractal

Hunab Ku = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunab_Ku
interdimensional = http://www.birthofgaia.com/t103p60-the-archetyped-cosmogenesis-of-the-human-metamorphosis#1525

New Jerusalem = http://www.birthofgaia.com/t153-the-new-world-according-to-the-book-of-life-of-the-world-logos#2297
Merkabah = http://www.birthofgaia.com/t153p30-the-new-world-according-to-the-book-of-life-of-the-world-logos#2850

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Jorgelito - Posted Oct 15th 2012

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After thinking about what you say, I give firm, absolute & complete permission for The One to come into me. We both want this.

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Jorgelito - Posted Oct 15th 2012

I'm in tears of happiness. Soul says he likes Louis Armstrong very much!

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SUSANakaTHE13THBRIDGE - Posted Oct 16th 2012

good stuff

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Jorgelito - Posted 4 Hours Ago

I'm in tears of happiness. Soul says he likes Louis Armstrong very much!

The Cosmic Powers rejoice over your 'Surrender to the Superverse' here, Jorgelito. Not many will be able to 'enter' the 'Real New World' in the 'cosmic offering of the old self' to receive a new starhuman selfhood and as the inheritance of all the incarnates from yesterday, today and tomorrow.
There is a most devious 'alternative' 'New World Order' at hand and this is not the NWO of the 'New Agers', so you might beware of the 'reading between the lines'.
I have found a less than an hour video, which describes this 'antistate' very well and have added this to the homepage, due to its pertinence in this timeline towards the cosmic rebirth.
Yes, it seems like a 'debunking' of this same rebirth and only the 'clever at mind' and 'innocent at heart' simultaneously, will be able to differentiate between the 'New World' and its 'Fake Image'. To separate the 'wheat from the chaff' demands a 'Thinking Heart' in complimentary balances with a 'Feeling Mind' and not many of the old human inheritors find themselves in environs of the necessary solitude and encumbrances to nourish, evolve and cherish such a Logos necessitated harmony.

Chris White a real PTB exposer; honest as the day is long and able to discern the 'robotic trainees' of the 'Echeloners'!

This Family of the Elders of Thuban is a testimony of remembrance of the purpose and reason for the human genome to exist as a race of cocreators within a greater order of the Cosmos, often termed the World Logos in the Source-Energy of ABBA as the Love of the Words of Creation.

The video above exposes the 'antithesis' of a so called 'New World New Order', which has hijacked and misappropriated this 'Thuban Agenda for the World Logos' in a most deceptive and 'brainwashing' manner, albeit 'prophecied' to become happenstance.
I ask all prospective readers, potential participators and vistors to allow for some time to watch this 'debunking of the NABS' video. It will then be much easier, to understand and appreciate the 'Thuban Way of Cosmic Life' and the many compositions and descriptions, which can be found and accessed on this website.
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SUSANakaTHE13THBRIDGE - Posted Oct 16th 2012

what do you think of this ?

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFI6m6Icav4&feature=related

[Zeitgeist REFUTED & DEBUNKED! (Religious)

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Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Oct 17th 2012

[2:40:04 AM - Wednesday, October 17th, 2012 -(+11UCT)]
THE13THBRIDGE:
<<< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFI6m6Icav4&feature=related

Zeitgeist REFUTED & DEBUNKED! (Religious Portion) {and the 'astro-archaeo-theological' implications as mis(ab)used by 'bible skeptics' and Cosmic Logos deniers}

Elliott Nesch has taken the time to go through the claims of the Zeitgeist movie and reveal their lies, in the religious portion, one by one. Do you really believe that the Jesus of the Bible has His roots in mythology? Then you are sorely mistaken. If you are open to the TRUTH, then watch this whole video. Elliot's youtube channel is: http://www.youtube.com/ElliottNesch

Thank You Susan, for this additional expose' of the 'real disinformation peddlers' hiding behind the 'alternative data' labels.
As you should know, Thuban supports the 'non-religious' part of Zeitgeist, but dismisses its 'misreading' of the Logos related subject matter.
The overall NWO agenda to hijack the 'New Agers' is however made clear and focuses on the discreditation of a real physical incarnation (and transcension of this same physicality) of the World Logos aka 'Jesus the Christ aka Yeshuah Ben Joseph Bar Thomas Didymos' as the theosophical and astrotheological 'office of the so called Word of God' aka the Cosmogenesis of all Existence across all worlds and dimensions.
However from October 17th, 2012 the 'agency of the antiLogos' stands exposed as testimony facing the ignorance and the deception of the general populace.

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Floyd Yesterday at 4:30 am

Hola Raven

Raven wrote:

Caveat: Thubanis does not agree with the skeptical astrophysicist, who posted this video, related to {http://yowcrooks.wordpress.com/tag/brian-cox/} in general, but fully supports the application of 'scientific reason' by him and the skeptics community.

I would say he was just an astrophysicist without the need for the skeptical prefix. His views surrounding doomsday predictions and pseudo science are spot on.

He was actually a musician too in the British Band Blur before he went on to become a professor of physics and astronomy.
http://www.blur.co.uk/

The yowcrooks site you mention has some excellent material based around the fear profiteer, misinformer and joker Marshall Masters

Raven wrote:
It also seems to be the case that the disinformation campaign has permeated current-day spiritual movements as well.

Yes

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There are indeed challenges to collective and individual physical, mental and spiritual stability now and to come, to be sure. But the world will not end on December the 21, 2012 despite deliberate and derogatory generalizations characterizing non-mainstream spiritualists by mainstream paradigmatic hitmen.

Yes.

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The Tsarion NABS is in contraindication with the Brian Cox presentation, but is fully exposed as ptb disinformation for the eyes to see and the ears to hear via the 'NWO telepromtings', evident in Tsarion's 'not so hearty presentation style'. But as said, for the not so 'brainwashed and hijacked' auditory and optical natural equipment.

Yes. Oh yes

So in a nutshell. Yes lol.

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mudra Yesterday at 5:33 am

Regarding our solar system's circular journey through our galaxy and hence the cycles of changes experienced on Earth through time
this is an interesting video Raven

Svensmark: The Cloud Mystery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ&noredirect=1

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Raven Today at 3:08 am
mudra wrote:

Regarding our solar system's circular journey through our galaxy and hence the cycles of changes experienced on Earth through time
this is an interesting video Raven

Svensmark: The Cloud Mystery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ&noredirect=1

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Thank You Mudra!

Yes, a nice rational dispensation and this relates to CLOUDS as a interdimensional phase 'dimension' between the solid-liquid-gaseous energy states in 4D spacetime to a 'new reconfigured' 'plasmic' 5D timespace to be born in the near future. The 'vessels of deliverances' are indeed 'hidden in the clouds of the fowls of heaven'.

Isaiah 60:8 (KJV)
Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

Revelation 19:17-21
¹⁷And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
^18]That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
¹⁹And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
²⁰And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
²¹ And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

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Floyd Today at 1:43 am

When something like zeitgeist comes along people often get swept along with it without really looking into things and criticising or scrutinising them enough.

The same can be said of modern understanding of the New Age Movement in the conspiratorial world of youtube and forums.

In reality there is no such thing as a New Age Religion nor even a movement. When I was writing my dissertation on the History of the so called New Age Movement for college many moons ago, I was forced to use books, journals and articles (shock horror)!!. Yes actual books written by real historians biographers and academics lol. There was no such thing as youtube back then and the internet was a babe that only the colleges had access to on a large scale. It was very slow.

Propaganda, is so easily transmitted to the conspiratorial hordes of various persuasion thanks to badly made, poorly researched youtube videos that everyone takes for granted because they are too lazy or weak minded to do the research themselves.

Is there a new age religion? No there isnt. Why is that? What has been labelled New Age is rather like Hinduism. There is actually no such thing nor religion as Hinduism. It is a western collective term for religious and philosophical systems that conflict and diverge greatly ranging from atheistic systems such as the Samkyha school to devotional systems such as bhakti yoga.

Similarly, the new age movement is an umbrella term for a huge amount of disparate and conflicting spiritual and philosophical systems ranging from UFO cults to sufi mysticism, to movements based on Indian and Tibetan philosophy. It also includes esoteric Christian groups, Occult societies and self empowerment/improvement groups. There is however no single thread that unites them and in fact, there is probably more that makes the alleged 'movement' disjointed than enjoins them into one single identifiable body. Many of the leading figures in schools and groups identified with this movement have spent most of the time bickering and arguing rather than uniting. In other words, there is no New Age Movement. No New Age Religion.

Some of the bodies associated with the New Age Movement have in fact became propaganda targets of Judaism and Christianity linking them with outrageous plots to take over the world. One of the main targets of this propaganda was the Theosophical Society because of Madame's stinging critiques of the religion of Jehovah and of organised Christianity. Additionaly, they disproved of her society's activities in reconverting locals back to their indigenous religious systems in Ceylon (Sri Lanka) and setting up Buddhist schools, much to the ire of the imperialist Christian missionaries. Add to that the Societies influence on assisting hone rule and independence for India which provoked the imperialist occupiers even further. That movement had its own problems sure but it is not the devil it has been made out to be.
Additionally when one thinks about the crimes done in the name of the various Christian churches over the centuries one shudders.
Wiccan, pagan and nature religions have been attacked regularly by propaganda.

The more you look into the history and background of movements such as this one you will realise that picture painted by propaganda videos is far from the truth. Like in the Zeitgeist movie you were talking about. Youtube videos are an incredibly poor source of information and not to be trusted. Pick up a good book by someone who knows what they are talking about instead.

NABS, (New Age Bull XXXX) as you refer to it Raven. If there is no new age religion per se, can there be NABS. Of course there can but its best to analyse it specifically with the individuals or groups promoting it as there is no collective school of thought, no single new age religion. For instance, IMO ascension is NABS but not all movements associated with ascensionism agree with each other and some dont believe in it at all. So it is better to look in detail as to the people who are promoting it and selling it. We find that religion is based on messages sent by aliens and ascended masters being chanelled or being contacted. This information is often repackaged with pseudo science than marketed as spirituality, often for hefty profits by unscrupulous individuals. The older schools however, distance themselves from modern representatives of 2012 and ascension.

The aliens and their contacts of the various UFO religions (that range from Adamski. Pelley to Meier and King are all arguing with each other). Much of what these people are writing about is extremely unpleasant distasteful, and lacks spirituality. NABS. Of a particular American modern archetypal kind.

Many groups associated with new age movement do not recognize aliens but are still erroneously lumped together with the others. The occult schools of both the left hand path and right hand path are poles apart and often have different agendas, some aligning themselves with Christ and others not. They have been bickering for over a hundred years and in no way represent a unified front or united school of thought.

There are other smaller organisations that many will not have heard of like Emin, SUBUD or the Circle of Inner Truth that may have an element of NABS but they two groups are really poles apart philosophically.

One thing all these groups (as well as the major religions) have in common, is that generally speaking, their way is the truth. They alone have the keys to the mysteries of life the universe and everything. Anyone claiming this of course is being ridiculous. There are many roads up the mountain. Clearly some will lead you round the base of the mountain or even underground it.

Having said all of that are there elements of these schools of thought that are positive and welcome. Sure there are. There are elements of many religions that are profound. The problem arises is when people think ones system is superior to the systems of others which develops an egoic distraction in the psyche of the individual. 'My dads got a better car than your dad' etc.

There is plenty of NABS especially in the modern age where it has become heavily monetised and even part of psyops and political and religious propaganda to a certain extent.

In the final analysis, the so called new age movement is to wide, disparate and philosophically differing to criticize as a whole. Its an interesting subject however. Another thing I would say about the alleged new age movement is this. The groups that are lumped together in it are relatively insignificant compared to the major religions. They are in no way as dangerous as the conspiratorial youtube videos make out. While there may be much to criticise about them it is the major religions that pose a real threat. specifically the monotheistic triad of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. This aligned with the politics and philosophy of greed.

A new age would be welcome though wouldnt it. There is so much wrong with this planet. Its just how we get there. One doesn't necessarily need a religion or be part of a mystery school to get there.

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Raven Today at 2:25 am

Indeed Floyd!

I agree with you and what we term NABS is in no way meant to belittle or derogarotize the 'Dreaming of many peoples (and all living creatures)' of and about a 'New World' to occupy and live in.

We agree with most of your words, except your 'overgeneralisation' of Christianity. We also 'like' Theosophism and Steiner's Anthrophosophy say in the mode of Albert Schweitzer and do not consider it 'Luciferic' in the 'New Age' meaning of the words.

But our 'insider knowledge' refers to precisely the 'misappropriation' and the deviousness of the 'groups and associations' and 'movements' you refer to.
These are the real charlatans and 'snake oil' salesmen in this NABS agenda and they more often than not include well meaning (at the start) propagators like say David Wilcock and Alex Collier and perhaps even Kerry Cassidy.
As soon as such 'adherents' receive publicity though, they often fall into a 'human vanity and selfimportance trap' and the consequences are what the majority of the 'New World dreamers' cannot differentiate as a 'true researched and analysed information base' from the 'human fantasy of make beliefs' or similar descriptions.

Shiloh has written a detailed debunking of one of your 'pet disclaimers' in the Talmud of Jmmanuel and the Billy Meier fraud and you can look at this here: Debunking the Talmud of Jmmanuel

But this one-off post on MOA by us relates to a much more devious campaign by the true 'ptb', shiloh calls 'Echeloners of the NWO', because this rather small group of 'informed aristocrats and little to doers, but to solve the mysteries sequestered from the public' has indeed found the 'secrets of the perennial philosophy' say as described in older or 'more primitive' semantics by the Theosophists and 'channelers' like Jane Roberts (Seth) and Carla Rueckert (Ra). Most channelers today are mere fading shadows of the 'mediums' from those of the 20th century and this is related to a necessary bifurcation or split between factions, you might describe as 'believers versus skeptics'.

Now, because this 'echeloner family' knows of the 'Logos codes', it has for over 6 decades now systematically and thoroughly used this 'believer versus skeptic' modus operandi to polarise the global populus.
Our posting here on MOA now addresses this 'stand-off' in a rather intricate manner to expose just this agenda.
The 'echeloners' so ECHO a Cosmic Truth in a kind of 'inverted fashion' and this 'inversion' MUST seek to denounce, belittle and attempt to render irrelevant (say as a human mind invention or manipulation), a non-inverted or 'straight' truth of the World Logos.
This description is encapsulated in an encoded 'crowned' 'manual or handbook'; which is a little book the 'echeloners' also use as their 'guide', but a little book, which is basically unknown and misunderstood by the populus globally and at large.
This little book then promises certain things to the echeloners and it is this promise, which is behind the NWO in whatever form.

But the 'Celestial Wedding' between the Logos and the AntiLogos has indeed arrived and the manifesto of this, as a basically metaphysical occurrence, does indeed allow the 'little gods' as cocreators to help and begin to 'enter a New World'. But we shall leave it at that for now.

This is because the time has come for this, and a perhaps rather unpalatable truth for many, to be known.
For who will be able to admit to themselves, that they have been deceived and brainwashed by their 'trusted sources' and the many data pretenders, you so eloquently point to in the you tube videos and the prevalence of divers websites.
Even if few will have the eyes to see or the ears to hear; the 'Truth' is NOT selfrelative and open to New Age timelines as self-proclaimed little gods or creators who can create their own rules as to how the physical and the metaphysical universe works and functions.

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Floyd Today at 2:35 am
Raven wrote: Indeed Floyd!

Shiloh has written a detailed debunking of one of your 'pet disclaimers' in the Talmud of Jmmanuel and the Billy Meier fraud and you can look at this here:

Hey Raven do you have the link for this please. I would be interested in reading this.

This is one good review of what is essentially a hoax that contains some pretty horrific content.

http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/meier_jmmanuel.htm

Those selling such material must be pretty disturbed.

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Raven Today at 2:45 am
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Raven wrote: Indeed Floyd!

Shiloh has written a detailed debunking of one of your 'pet disclaimers' in the Talmud of Jmmanuel and the Billy Meier fraud and you can look at this here:

Hey Raven do you have the link for this please. I would be interested in reading this.

This is one good review of what is essentially a hoax that contains some pretty horrific content.

http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/meier_jmmanuel.htm

Those selling such material must be pretty disturbed.

Cheers

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I apologize Floyd, yes I was looking for the link, which I have now included in the above post.
Lol, yes shiloh quotes Robert Price too. You need to scroll down the page a bit.

Debunking the Talmud of Jmmanuel
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Nice one. Ta.

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Raven Today at 3:32 am
Floyd wrote: Thanks Raven.

Going back to Shiloh's post on The Talmud of Jmannuel hoax that you have provided, he had this to say

" The short clips and this quote here, which should show the 'rather human agenda driven and political nature' of this material in a self-evidence for anyone reading this:"

This is essentially true, not only of Billy Meir's hoax and the other Talmud promoter George Green but also the pioneers of other 'alien backed racial purist groups that are simply a front for racial elitism and far right politics. This is exemplified in the works of the first fascist alienist William Dudley Pelley and his prodigy George Hunt Williamson who both 'invented' religions to back up their political views but provided a mythical UFO/alien romance to draw in members of the public. SoulCraft was Pelley's 'invention'

The Urantia movement in particular is an excellent example of using a series of allegedly supernatural MSS to prop up a philosophy of racial purity, eugenics, moral rectitude and sterilisation, that were in step with the rightist Utopian American ideals of the time.

So basically, what Shiloh is saying about the Talmud is correct but it also applies to others of the genre as described in this post and thread.

They are essentially distractions for politically motivated and Arisophical ideas.

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Yes Floyd!

And just like the 'TOJ' could be said to be like a 'pet annoyance' to you, so is the 'Urantia Book Nonsense' to shiloh. He told me, that he 'fought many metaphysical battles' with the 'Urantia followers', before he became web savvy on his forums.
Who requires the 'JW or SDA or Mormon' bashers, if there are much more devious and 'eloquently obscuring' disinformation peddlers like the Urantians, the Avalonians and Cameloteers and the Anna Hayes and Cassiopeia 'channels' with their many derivatives and associatees.

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Jorgelito - Posted Oct 17th 2012

I like the video clip with Gary Cooper. The feeling is authenticity no matter what the event, time or place may be.

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Jorgelito - Posted Oct 18th 2012

Way of Seeing

I think Self-awareness is just seeing with the heart.
Anything I think, feel, want or create isn't me -- no matter how exalted or depraved it might be.
At first it doesn't seem that way, but after rejoicing in my joy (or misery), an emptiness always seems to follow because once again I mistook the metaphor for the real thing. It feels something like getting lost.
I am grateful for the experiences of just being alive; they are all beautiful metaphors, metaphors to life; and they all point to The One. When I experience love and beauty, I see even more directly, more clearly.

In this case, the mirror is a metaphor -- something that points to something else.
Seeing with the Heart bypasses the metaphor altogether and goes directly to the source like this . . .

Thank you Tony

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Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Oct 18th 2012

You are what you are Looking at; Within and Without; Above and Below; Maximum and Minimum; Macrocosm and Microcosm.

Places where the atoms are as big as universes and universes as small as atoms.

-Carl Sagan

BeyONd our Universe - Infinity Zoom [HD]

At the 3.10 timemarker the asymptotic Universe in 10D (presently at 53% of the maximimum Hubble Limit) ends and at the 3.15 timemarker the 11D timemarker of this limit is MIRROR activated in Witten-M-spacetime. This correlates the inertial mass-parametric expanding universe with the electromagnetic oscillating cosmos.

The 10D universe is measured in toroidal metric contraction as 13.8 billion years and the 11D universe has a true age of 19.1 billion year.

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Jorgelito - Posted Oct 18th 2012

That is an extraordinary video. I'll let my brain work on it for awhile so I can catch up.

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Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Oct 19th 2012

About the 'Authority' of Thuban Information Sharing

[2:29:22 PM] Thubanis: Because all this is part of the Mystery and the writings and the codes. I have added a number of science based videos about those 'codes' which are fundamentally mathematical and so 'hidden' and obscured or OCCULTIZED by abstractions.
This was a BBC film broadcast on Australian television in 2012 and presumably in many countries. I was reminded about this excellent presentation by a post on the Moabyte forum. Thank you Aquaries1111 for the remembrance!

Thubanis 'guessed' 4000 jelly beans (lol just fyi) in the third video 'Predictions' at the 45 minute time marker.
How?
I considered the volume of one jelly bean compared to the volume of the containing jar and mentally constructed one layer of jelly beans inside of the jar as about 100 jelly beans. This very very rough approximation then is multiplied by the number of jelly bean layers and so I considered the height of the jar to allow for about 40 jelly beans.
Subsequently there are about 40 layers of jelly beans of about 100 jelly beans each giving the very rough approximation of 40x100=4000 jelly beans.
But from 'mind experiments' and calculations like this and practiced and learned by the philosophers of ancient times, say Mesopotamia, China, India, Arabia and Greece, evolved the practical application of mathematical encodings as the 'Language of Mother Nature' with her 'Logos Logic' and evolving and becoming what is called today the 'Modern Science and its methodology' and 'Modus Operandi'.

[2:00:44 PM - Friday, October 19th, 2012 - (+11UCT)]
Thubanis: [5:23 AM]
Rok: CORE ISSUE HERE....ALL PRESENT FEEL FREE TO CONTRIBUTE
oh you know what...lets chill and wait for the 21st
then again hey....it is all METAfuckingPHYSICAL
[2:01:19] Thubanis: I have been following this Rok
[2:01:19 PM] Thubanis: And yes, this is a core issue
[2:01:57 PM] Thubanis: So Rok, try to see this this way. Perhaps this might allow you to understand Xeia's and mine and Raven's mind a little better
[2:02:24 PM] Thubanis: I am as skeptical about 3D changes as you are, even more so BUT
[2:02:39 PM] Thubanis: I KNOW that this 'Coring' is for real
[2:03:22 PM] Thubanis: The 3D agendas and dramas here have an UNDERCURRENT and this one is HISTORICAL
[2:03:51 PM] Thubanis: Meaning it engages MUCH MORE, than Our personal dramas: You and Xeia, Raven and James and Tony and DD
[2:04:16 PM] Thubanis: Much more
[2:04:55 PM] Thubanis: Now Xeia and Raven and I understand this from a very deep level and you might call this level 'dreaming' or 'irrational' - it is not
[2:05:06 PM] Thubanis: This is this YYY we sometimes mention
[2:05:36 PM] Thubanis: Ok, so what is this undercurrent, which transcends ALL of our dramas and desires and search for liasons?
[2:06:16 PM] Thubanis: It is the 'encoding' Rok, which has NEVER before in human history been 'REWRITTEN" as under the Thuban label
[2:06:35 PM] Thubanis: And you are, even if you don't see it as such, an integrated part of Thuban
[2:06:46 PM] Thubanis: Even if you dont actually 'believe' in it
[2:08:04 PM] Thubanis: It is just a name BUT it has a certain 'cosmic authority', given not by me as its 'inventor', but by whatever 'authority' GAVE its information basis to this Thuban label to REWRITE this selfsame history I just mentioned before
[2:08:37 PM] Thubanis: WHY does this Thuban name have any such 'authority'?
[2:08:53 PM] Thubanis: This then gets REALLY 3D and logigal.
[2:09:54 PM] Thubanis: Ask yourself; what is the basic BS with the human world in 3D and WHY is this 3D human world, living on a planet called Earth, such a mess?
[2:11:18 PM] Thubanis: It is because of class wars and a cosmic energy, which has kept the COLLECTIVE human groupmind, meaning Real Wisdom and Understanding about itself, irts purpose and destiny etc - IMPRISONED by the sex memes
[2:13:15 PM] Thubanis: Solve the Cosmic Nature of Human Sexuality and BAN the human misappropriations about it into the same wilderness of irrational and disharmonious mindfulness, the present human groupmind occupies at the present time - and you SOLVE the Human Paradox
[2:13:55 PM] Thubanis: Why? Because the cosmic nature is about COSMIC REPRODUCTION
[2:14:09 PM] Thubanis: And this does NOT mean 'making human babies'
[2:14:23 PM] Thubanis: It means BLENDING the fabric of the universe together
[2:15:01 PM] Thubanis: This then is like the cells in your body 'talking to each other' becomes like galaxies communicating 'out there'
[2:15:11 PM] Thubanis: The 'out there' is the 'in there'
[2:15:36 PM] Thubanis: But How can the 'out there' become 3D realism, if the 'in there' is fucked up by the irrationality and the disharmonies of the human minds?;
[2:16:40 PM] Thubanis: Rok, Thuban did something, no other 'movement' or group or university or academy or family has done
[2:17:19 PM] Thubanis: And this is the 'authority', again not self proclaimed by any of us, but gracefully bestowed on us because the TIME IS RIPE
[2:18:36 PM] Thubanis: This authority is HISTORICAL in the sense that the last 2000 years of Terran civilization in particular and the last 26000 years in a more encompassing sense - have been COMPLETED and SOLVED in its own MYSTERY
[2:18:48 PM] Thubanis: This is the magic Rok and it is a 3D magic
[2:19:33 PM] Thubanis: The Magic is that FINALLY the socalled Mystery of 'God' and the 'Devil' and so All of Humanity is NO MORE
[2:19:45 PM] Thubanis: Try to get this into your head my friend
[2:20:40 PM] Thubanis: Just because noone else takes this serious or understands it; does NOT mean, that the COSMIC MYSTERY of the Collective Human family has NOT been solved and harmonized and 'made good'
[2:21:08 PM] Thubanis: The Mystery of Humanities Existence, Purpose and Destiny is OVER
[2:21:46 PM] Thubanis: It would not even matter, if only one person on the planet would have 'broken the seals hiding the mystery'
[2:22:39 PM] Thubanis: Even then the Cosmos would be a New Cosmos, as soon as the logistics of the writing down or composing of a STORY RETOLD, would have been completed
[2:22:54 PM] Thubanis: And you know what this timeline is
[2:23:55 PM] Thubanis: So now look at the Cores again in a hoepefully 'new light'
[2:24:46 PM] Thubanis: The dramas and the tensions do not matter in the bigger sense, the Cosmic Rok NOT dependent on a short 3D existence in Slovenia looking for the fulfilment of his dreams - KNOWS who he is
[2:25:06 PM] Thubanis: This Cosmic Rok is the one Xeia loves as a Cosmic Xeia
[2:26:12 PM] Thubanis: They are Cored already and it was them, who played an integrated core part in the 'authority' bestowed for the purpose to Break this prison and bondage and Solve the Human Mystery about itself
[2:26:55 PM] Thubanis: So again, the point is simple
[2:27:27 PM] Thubanis: Noone at any time and no system of human thought or philosophy was able to SOLVE the Mystery of God aka aka
[2:27:53 PM] Thubanis: To do this decoding a certain 'authority' is required and this is not human made
[2:28:45 PM] Thubanis: Only the Logos as BEING this 'authority' can bestow it and when it is bestowed, then the 'receivers' here Thuban, will 'suffer the consequences'
[2:29:07 PM] Thubanis: But this 'suffering' will SHOW if this is REAL or fake and 'make belief'

[2:29:22 PM] Thubanis: Because all this is part of the Mystery and the writings and the codes. I have added a number of science based videos about those 'codes' which are fundamentally mathematical and so 'hidden' and obscured by abstractions

[2:29:46 PM] Thubanis: So the mystery ITSELF will show if the 'authority' is Logos or human selfmade
[2:30:13 PM] Thubanis: I stop for now and let you ponder this in your own due time and course
[2:32:08 PM] Xeia: Very beautiful
[2:32:23 PM] Xeia: (inlove)
[2:33:49 PM] Thubanis: It was time to elaborate what Thuban really is
[2:34:13 PM] Xeia: I think so yes
[2:34:24 PM] Thubanis: So you understand this?
[2:34:44 PM] Thubanis: Also now WHY Rok is skeptical
[2:35:02 PM] Thubanis: Why the 3D is secondary but the Primary is fully on?
[2:35:11 PM] Thubanis: We are under grace!
[2:35:41 PM] Thubanis: We have done the work expected of us after having received this information and the 'authority'
[2:36:03 PM] Thubanis: Our personal 'happiness' always was secondary
[2:36:10 PM] Thubanis: It is this that hurts so much
[2:36:24 PM] Thubanis: But the YYY is like a signet ring
[2:37:06 PM] Thubanis: Cosmic Cores exist and human cores are in struggle modes
[2:37:23 PM] Thubanis: But they are perfect images of each other
[2:40:28 PM] Xeia: [6:17 AM] Rok:
<<< i appreciate that xeia has given me more than any woman before despite the 5000mile distance.....
this is very sweet

[2:41:34 PM] Xeia: (F)
[2:41:49 PM] Thubanis: Yes made me smile too
[1:08:30 AM - Saturday, October 20th, 2012 - (+11UCT)]
Thubanis: All kids born since June 2004 would have 'special abilities' born in
[1:08:54 AM] Thubanis: Venus Transit and the start of the warp in December
[1:09:21 AM] Thubanis: From June 2008 it is even doubled
[1:09:41 AM] Thubanis: So watch the youngsters born from 2008, they are all different already
[1:10:05 AM] Zaina: Yes im seeing this now in the new born
[1:10:12 AM] Thubanis: Indeed
[1:10:36 AM] Xeia: [1:00 AM] Thubanis:<<< So the new astral is a 'new prison' of sorts
hasn't it always been one?

[1:10:56 AM] Xeia: temporary one but still
[1:11:00 AM] Thubanis: I mean they will understand the energies as 'natural'
[1:11:07 AM] Thubanis: We had to work on it
[1:11:21 AM] Thubanis: Yes but not like it is now
[1:11:46 AM] Thubanis: Before the Logos it was more extensive Xeia as big as the spacetimed Universe in fact
[1:12:00 AM] Thubanis: You can guess how 'small' the astral is now
[1:12:28 AM] Thubanis: Anyoone can guess?
[1:12:36 AM] Thubanis: It has shrunk
[1:12:46 AM] Xeia: well the veil has thinned and the bridge must've been gotten shorter
[1:12:54 AM] Thubanis: Very very much
[1:13:05 AM] Thubanis: Come on think Gaia
[1:13:18 AM] Zaina: the size of the earth
[1:13:25 AM] Xeia: so much so as in mixing
[1:13:40 AM] Thubanis: Or I can ask. Is there a memeplexed astral dimension around Jupiter?
[1:13:40 AM] Xeia: juxtaposed
[1:13:47 AM] Thubanis: Zia, Bravo!
[1:13:58 AM] Thubanis: Actually it is this Cocoon of the quarantine
[1:14:17 AM] Thubanis: It encompasses the Moon and reaches so 5% to the Venus orbit
[1:14:29 AM] Thubanis: It is like an egg for the birth
[1:14:51 AM] Thubanis: It is 2 million kilometres radius this egg
[1:15:04 AM] Thubanis: The Hill sphere of any planet or moon
[1:15:12 AM] Thubanis: technically
[1:15:22 AM] Thubanis: See, it is not just metaphysics Rok
[1:15:29 AM] Thubanis: It is 3D seeded
[1:16:06 AM] Thubanis: So there is 'freedom' in the astral even around Venus around Mars around all planets not earth
[1:16:32 AM] Zaina: it this what is called the' in breath ',,
[1:16:47 AM] Thubanis: Why this channeling NABS is getting so intense with the disinformation and false flags - JT
[1:17:14 AM] Thubanis: Not really Zia
[1:17:18 AM] Zaina: ok
[1:17:23 AM] Thubanis: This is a Nabs mistake
[1:17:51 AM] Thubanis: There is a inbreath and an outbreath but each of those is so 17 billion years
[1:18:20 AM] Thubanis: Technically a Hubble Oscillation or halfcycle of the universe's evolution in linear timespace
[1:18:35 AM] Thubanis: But it is from this the Hindu stuff comes from
[1:19:05 AM] Thubanis: They use infinities so and this is very unscientific and wrong, unless put in the proper maths context
[1:19:30 AM] Zaina: I see yes ,
[1:19:39 AM] Thubanis: Yes it is simple if understood
[1:20:18 AM] Thubanis: Some guru said the universe is trillions of years old for example, which is 3D impossible
[1:21:11 AM] Zaina: so how old is the universe ?
[1:21:16 AM] Thubanis: But returning to the vesicas, the astral energy is a memewar now
[1:21:26 AM] Thubanis: It is like a 'high concentration'
[1:21:41 AM] Thubanis: Of all the old human mind created demons and devils etc
[1:21:52 AM] Thubanis: Almost 20 billion years
[1:22:12 AM] Zaina: how long will the meme war continue for ..and will all get effected by this

[1:22:25 AM] Thubanis: So the OUTBREATH has finished and for so 2.2 billion years the univers has begun to BREATHE IN
[1:22:43 AM] Zaina: ah, this is written in the quran
[1:23:12 AM] Thubanis: Now look at Earth, 2.2 billion years ago the first lifeforms as bacteria and protocells began to use the land in breathing oxygen
[1:23:27 AM] Thubanis: Coincidence or synchro?
[1:23:42 AM] Zaina: synchro
[1:23:52 AM] Thubanis: Oxygen was toxic at frst when the earth formed so 4.6 billion years ago
[1:23:57 AM] Thubanis: Lol
[1:24:12 AM] Thubanis: Of course it defined much more
[1:24:19 AM] Thubanis: ALL ETs were seeded THEN
[1:24:29 AM] Thubanis: The entire cosmos became self conscious
[1:24:47 AM] Thubanis: This is WHY the earth began to start its lifeform evolution
[1:25:08 AM] Thubanis: Real science no Nabs or channelings from the 'genetic DNA manipulating ETs' required
[1:25:43 AM] Thubanis: The good channelings all get this data AFTER the fact not vice versda
[1:25:50 AM] Thubanis: If they only knew
[1:26:44 AM] Thubanis: Logos is the lawmaker and lawgiver not any guru or mainstream academy or Nabs group
[1:27:36 AM] Thubanis: So Logo gives the data to Gaia and Gaia sends it back inside the cocoon to the astral and bingo the channelers READ the data from the DESCENDED Masters
[1:27:55 AM] Thubanis: This is what is happening now

[1:29:18 AM] Thubanis: [1:22 AM] Zaina:<<< how long will the meme war continue for ..and will all get effected by this
All are infected, but the insiders more so then the outsiders

[1:29:32 AM] Thubanis: The memewar will end in stages
[1:29:49 AM] Thubanis: First stage was August 4th, 2008 when the mirror kicked in
[1:30:12 AM] Thubanis: Second stage was April 1st, 2012 when the inner warpzone ended
[1:30:58 AM] Thubanis: Third stage will be December 21st, 2012 when the outside 'pregnancy' will end in the birth of a new starhuman consciousness
[1:31:31 AM] Thubanis: This means that the eggshell breaks and the baby dragons hatch in the higher D, but then superposed on 3D
[1:32:31 AM] Thubanis: Fourth stage is the Weaning of the Bay Dragon as a collective consciousness of a New starhuman race from the stars and this in terms of the scripture codes will end by Beltane 2014
[1:32:40 AM] Thubanis: May 1st, 2014
[1:33:07 AM] Zaina: so not long now ..
[1:33:18 AM] Zaina: but i guess the NWO is to play out yet
[1:33:32 AM] Zaina: or maybe its finished
[1:34:58 AM] Thubanis: No the NWO is waiting for the Xmas date too. Because in most likelihood nothing dramatic in 3D will happen, they will gain new confidence with their globalisation plans
[1:35:07 AM] Thubanis: It could get devious WW3 and so on
[1:35:47 AM] Thubanis: Nukes, Israel-Iran, Koreas, Somalia etc etc
[1:36:14 AM] Thubanis: Civil wars in Europe against the banks and so on
[1:37:24 AM] Zaina: yes
[1:41:35 AM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: [12:41 AM] Thubanis:
<<< JT is shouting it from the rooftops every day lol
(party)

[1:42:03 AM] Zaina: (sun),

[1:42:20 AM] Thubanis: I will share the latter parts on the forums
[1:43:11 AM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: there is a very different feeling to "things" as of last couple days
[1:43:50 AM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i do not know how to put such emotions and thoughts into words to describe such things
[1:44:03 AM] Zaina: just to let you know ,the girl that posted her experience ,she was deleted from the group and all the comments gone ,this was face book .she back in the group now after being re added ..
[1:44:27 AM] Zaina: sorry Micheal to type over you ..
[1:44:31 AM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: but you talk about 4d bridge the other day and that trigger some bells that were allready ringing...almost like it hit a new harmonic
[1:45:00 AM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: (inlove)

[1:36:59 AM] Thubanis: You are dramatic but perhaps not too far off as to what could happen
[1:37:23 AM] Thubanis: Xeia 3D will not change for a long time if ever the way you envisage
[1:37:40 AM] Thubanis: There is no difference really between the living and the dead
[1:37:56 AM] Thubanis: The dead have waveform only this is the only difference
[1:38:23 AM] Thubanis: The dead especially now know much more, can see more, because of the Logos
[1:38:42 AM] Thubanis: They KNOW very well that the plan is to be embodied
[1:39:01 AM] Thubanis: So it is even harder now to stay 'in the spirit'
[1:39:16 AM] Thubanis: To have a body is superlatoive has become so
[1:39:37 AM] Thubanis: Since Easter 2012 and even more so from Xmas
[1:40:04 AM] Thubanis: Eduardo's thoughts are all meme polluted
[1:40:19 AM] Thubanis: Fantasies about the afterlife in better places
[1:40:32 AM] Thubanis: There are none
[1:40:37 AM] Thubanis: The place is here
[1:40:49 AM] Thubanis: This is the 'Cradle of the Gods'
[1:41:01 AM] Thubanis: To be born as dragon can only happen here
[1:41:17 AM] Thubanis: Why humans are the heirs to the universes
[1:41:30 AM] Thubanis: Yes lol not yet no multiversde exists yet
[1:41:36 AM] Thubanis: Despite the Nabs morons
[1:41:58 AM] Thubanis: The hexcores , the first one is required for any multiverse to exist
[1:42:07 AM] Xeia: What will be, will be...like my gandma used to say
[1:42:34 AM] Xeia: my father's brother was found dead a week ago
[1:42:37 AM] Xeia: in his partment
[1:42:40 AM] Xeia: he lived alone
[1:42:57 AM] Xeia: autopsy results will take about 5 days...
[1:43:06 AM] Thubanis: Yes and why do we still hang around lol
[1:43:17 AM] Xeia: well....
[1:43:27 AM] Thubanis: Because there are no 'greener grass places'
[1:43:57 AM] Thubanis: Your uncle will reincarnate OR walk in IF someone wishes to soulblend
[1:44:03 AM] Thubanis: This is the new legislature
[1:45:02 AM] Xeia: [1:41 AM] Thubanis:<<< The hexcores , the first one is required for any multiverse to exist
this is a big responsability

[1:46:00 AM] Thubanis: In principle yes
[1:46:25 AM] Thubanis: I think this is why we have so much drama and even apparent 'hoplessness' of things changing
[1:46:43 AM] Thubanis: Mind you any hexcore will do
[1:46:58 AM] Xeia: but, no hexcore is the same
[1:46:58 AM] Thubanis: But do they exist in some form elsewhere?
[1:47:17 AM] Thubanis: Yes they are as unique as the members making it up
[1:47:37 AM] Thubanis: But definition and Logos attunement is required
[1:47:54 AM] Thubanis: I am sure the PTB has many rituals and things approximating this
[1:48:08 AM] Thubanis: The Red Robes of the Vatican etc know the 12+12=24
[1:48:35 AM] Xeia: the infamous post...
[1:49:00 AM] Thubanis: The point is whatever echeloners there are they only have the GOT partially decoded
[1:50:41 AM] Xeia: [1:45 AM] Thubanis:<<< I think this is why we have so much drama and even apparent 'hoplessness' of things changing
you mean this hopelessness surges due to the fear of possible failure?

[1:51:02 AM] Thubanis: No
[1:51:20 AM] Thubanis: More like an annoyance and a disappoinment
[1:51:49 AM] Thubanis: It is the human desires unfulfilled, all of us: Raven, you, Rok, DD and me
[1:52:22 AM] Thubanis: As I said to Rok, the human factor is relegated to second place behind a cosmic primacy
[1:53:04 AM] Thubanis: I know this STORY cannot fail
[1:53:23 AM] Thubanis: But our future outcomes is 'che sara!'
[1:53:42 AM] Thubanis: We are like sacrifices, perhaps however only temporary
[1:53:46 AM] Thubanis: This is my hope
[1:55:51 AM] Xeia: [1:53 AM] Thubanis:<<< We are like sacrifices
like Jesus was

[1:56:34 AM] Thubanis: Yes but this was One for Many; we are Many for One
[1:56:53 AM] Thubanis: Destined to Merge in some manner
[1:57:05 AM] Thubanis: To bring about the New Template World
[2:09:48 AM] Rok: will there be a witch hunt on us?
[2:11:19 AM] Xeia: http://www.birthofgaia.com/t100-the-apocryphon-of-john#2647
[2:11:54 AM] Xeia: what do you think vaccines are?
[2:12:29 AM] Xeia: welcome to witch hunt of the 21st Century
[2:12:32 AM] Rok: i mean like a linch mob
[2:12:55 AM] Xeia: they rather kill a whole bunch....just to get the few hidden among them

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