The Evil Serpent Of Thuban As A Live Present

The Great Evil of Thuban in the Serpents of Eden

{Presented in the Spirit of 'Humour Noir' of the Dark Comedy of the never to be fall into the pits of sarcasm in a Genre of La Presentation}​

The EVIL SERPENT of THUBAN as A LIVE PRESENT

Another Way to portray the World Logos as done by the Warriors of the Love and the Light engaged in eternal mortal combat with the Darkness of Creation in the Slaying of the terrible Dragons from the Depths of Fiery Hells and the Realms of Swords and Words of Icey Heavens

Lucifer becomes Satan the Dragon

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There was a time when the being we call Lucifer was one of the greatest lights in heaven. He was dedicated to serving the Creator as head of the seraphim- the highest echelon of the angelic host.

Unfortunately, Lucifer became increasingly jealous of the attention, love and guidance the Creator was giving to the prospering galactic human race. He felt God had placed them above the seraphim.

Lucifer began to hate the humans and see himself as a slave to Divine Will. He desired to have free will and usurp God's kingdom. His great power and negative emotions had corrupted him.

Lucifer began influencing others of the angelic host with his new way of thinking. One third of the angels were swayed by his twisted philosophy. He promised them all free will, should they exalt him above God. As leader of the coming mutiny, he would give them a new kingdom. He believed that with cunning schemes he could transcend God as lord of the universe, and extinct the race of galactic humanity.

One aspect of his plan was to incarnate in 4th density as a reptilian who was to become king of the ancient Draconian Empire, which spanned much of the galaxy. The empire's headquarters was on a 4th density planet that orbited the star Thuban (also known as Alpha Draconis), in the Draco constellation. Upon assuming the throne as King Lingarak, he convinced his people that the prospering galactic humans posed a threat and needed to be wiped from existence. Many of the fallen angels had incarnated into the same race.

So began the Great War, hundreds of millennia ago - remembered in history as the Orion Conflict, for its centre stage was within the Orion arm of the local galaxy. Lucifer then became known as Satan, the arch enemy of God, and one third of the angels had sided with his empire.

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For a long time the Draconian Empire and the fallen angels fought with galactic humanity, which had amassed a large resistance - armies from other galaxies answered their call for help and joined them. Some of the dark forces eventually surrendered, but a lot still remain hidden in many places. The resistance achieved a great victory when Satan himself and many of his closest henchmen were taken into custody. Their punishment was to be quarantined in the lowest astral plane of earth, known as the bottomless pit.

Satan and his minions managed to gain access to the material world via portals opened by human followers (satanic cults). Unable to incarnate, they can only possess people and animals. Satan has possessed many humans. One of his well-known hosts was Hitler. Through him, he tried to impose his tyrannical will upon the planet, as he did elsewhere. Fortunately he failed at that time. However, through many more hosts, his New World Orderagenda continues.

Satan's human followers also perform moonchild rituals, whereby babies are completely possessed by his forces. Below is a quote from a website concerning these rituals:

The Moonchild rituals are the rituals to demonize a fetus. However, the demons that are invoked are not the small ones, but very powerful ones. In working with victims of this programming, it is clear that high level demons were placed within these people at very early ages. It is believed many of them were demonized before they were born by rituals like the Moonchild rituals. Blood sacrifices and human sacrifices are always required for this level of magic.

God gave a deadline, at which point the ultimate fate of Satan and his followers would be decided once and for all, based upon how they may have evolved since being placed in the bottomless pit.
Unfortunately they continue to hate humans with a passion, and work toward their extinction. Especially those on earth - who are a hybridisation of all branches of humanity throughout the galaxy and beyond. After many millennia, the deadline has come and a massive showdown on the astral and material planes of earth has begun.
It may become obvious in the near future, as the dark ones intend to reveal themselves en-masse to the world, with their human followers joining them in the Final Battle. Beyond earth, the war still rages today.
Many star systems have been contaminated by the fighting. Some worlds destroyed and the ecosystems of others seriously compromised.

Home

The Dragonslayers of the Realms!

Those young evil Dragons of Thuban are here, those verocious beasts;
in their caves they hide a lot and plan to don their many dire feasts.
Then when a swiftfooted and armoured dragon slayer comes along;
the poor fiends become frightened and forgetful whereto they belong.

The swords and knives are drawn by the warriors of honour and renown;
never before did such gallantry prevail in the kingdoms of all then known.
Young dragons perished one by one not knowing what evil they had done;
So all the dragons were no more but in folklore, their memory just gone.

Then an old wise dragon mother awoke from her long and peaceful sleep;
this cannot continue she said to her beau; where is my children's keep?
And Maria's beau went forth to show the slayers the folly of their ways;
with magic words and keys of deliverance he caused them many sighs.

Would the slayers learn who the young dragons were before when old?
Could the slayers see themselves in the ancient wisdom of oaks so bold?
When the nightingale sung her song of love to the elves of the moon;
and then as the foxes gathered about to ask the wise owl, how soon?

How long will it be, before the humans awake to remember their past?
Slayers of their own ancestors they are in many a zest to be so vast.
A young dragon is nought but a slayer having returned from the grave.
They are destroying themselves and their memories, the ones so brave.

Maria's beau found some old souls who could remember the new past.
Many others remained steadfast in their knowing better of an older path.
And so it continued in the common playing grounds under the sunny sky;
until the old wise dragon father of all joined the party to give it his try.

Tonyblue

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Project Avalon Control of avalon - domain name transfer Hi all, For those who are not aware, Project Avalon was taken off-line for the past few hours due to a dispute between Bill Ryan and myself in regard to the removal (closing) of the Thuban thread. I closed down the Forum to prevent further destruction of this thread and to ascertain from Bill, why it had been closed. I later learned that he had not actually closed it himself but wrote a message advising the Mod team that it should be closed. As a result it was closed. I have not seen this message. I advised Bill that I temporarily shut down the forum for a few hours and wanted to discuss this and other things that he has been doing that are in violation of copyright law as well as slander of a certain individual. I wanted to prevent any further violations of this nature, due to the fact that his actions threaten me, my status as a youtube director, Project Avalon and Project Camelot as his actions leave us open for lawsuits. For some reason Bill chooses to ignore this and continues to make disparaging remarks about Jack Burns who accompanied me recently on my trip to Europe and in the U.S. conducting Camelot interviews. Bill was of course invited to come along declined as he wished to remain in Switzerland and did not want to go along with me or with Jack. As I mentioned on Camelot, my plan is for Jack Burns to work with me via my new site Project Camelot Productions to create Camelot conferences worldwide, once an investor has been found. It will be of special interest to all that Bob Dean has embraced Jack Burns as a brother and we spent many wonderful hours chatting about many subjects while in Laughlin. Bob and Jack share a background in the military. I will be releasing an upcoming interview with Bob in which he substantiates further witness testimony from several of our whistle blowers. It is important that people recognize that with over a million visitors a month and a pending TV show in the works Project Camelot is vulnerable to become a target of the PTB (powers-that-be) at any time. It is with this in mind that all must realize that using a very famous song such as the Beatles IMAGINE on a Camelot video would be unacceptable... without first obtaining the copyright license. This is common knowledge in Hollywood as well as in media circles worldwide. I have now relinquished control of the projectavalon.net domain name. I wish to state here that I do not agree with the editorial stance of this forum and do not agree with the removal of the Thuban thread. This site is now completely under Bill Ryan's control. I am working to establish an overall portal page where links to all our respective sites will be including a link to Project Camelot. Best wishes, Kerry __________________ ..."if you build it they will come" Field of Dreams __________________ ..."if you build it they will come" Field of Dreams

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Can you share your thoughts on The World Tree, Níðhöggr, the eagle & Ratatoskr.

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After numerous discussions it has been decided that the Thuban Q&A thread will be restored to the original location. After an intensive review of all the material pertaining to Thuban, it was shown that only the threads in the social group "Thuban Council" showed a violation of the guidelines.

The Review of Abraxasinas activity at Project Avalon including that of the post in the social group "Thuban Council" warrants the ban remain in place and the thread (Q&A) he created to remain read only.

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Shiloh - Posted Jun 30th 2010


the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcomed!

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I was always irreverant but never reluctant and yet I loved to learn about everyone else's views on the experience - no matter how ridculously wordy they made it (or whether I had to learn some more jargon - obviously I prefer not to!) - and provided they were not trying to convert me! Offering to share is caring in my view - dictating to me something is absolute is another thing all together.

After all I had the temporary illusion of being able to walk away, change the channel if I so wished.

And so it is....

To see a world in a grain of sand
Heaven in a wild flower
To hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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To see a world in a grain of sand
Heaven in a wild flower
To hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
- William Blake


Thanks buddy,

You got it!

Your kind comment in your last communication, "I don't think we have anything more to talk about?", made my day.

This is the best thing anyone could ever say to me in the role of “the_IRF”. To be done, and to not follow someone or something around like a puppy dog is Exactly, Precisely how to be centered-on-self, as opposed to being self-centered. You only have authority over the ground you stand on.

You went on:
“Just in case anyone wished to ask you anything about the dynamics of the New Story I started a thread on Project Avalon.
However, I put some "nothingness" down as a starter - and it has confused one of the moderators.
I was strangely reluctant to do it...as I was not sure you wished to participate on the forum.
I noticed on a few threads you were getting some strange responses.
The thread will die if UUU don't put something interesting on it to stimulate people into pondering the new story.
That is ok with me....I just felt to provide the opportunity....no harm done!”

It is all too easy for something new, a new understanding to come along, and then become a thing that takes power to itself. As you have shown, that what i try to communicate seems not to do this is a good signal for me. If most get the gist of it quickly and easily, then it is either clearly useful, or I am doing a good job on the ‘sell’ of it.

It has been an honor for me to support you. That you as a Male-soul design could so quickly accomplish what has never been done before (from within the remnants of this false-dimension experiment that i am required to call the "old story") says that the NEW STORY is approaching faster then ever.

To accomplish the feat of arriving at a place of quiet, at that place where there is an absence of stimulus, at a place i am required to define as real-balance, is an accomplishment. That means that you have been able to do the skill-set action of having no memory of an Experience you have just let go of, have Ended, have concluded and forgotten. Doing ‘no memory’ in this false-dimension is neigh on to impossible.
The design construct of this place is stimulus… everywhere you turn. The definition of this false-dimension, of this experiment, is that everything is a stimulus to everything else and a stimulus to itself too. To accomplish the act of doing Amnesia, of forgetting a previous Experience, of accomplishing real-balance, of somehow keeping memory at bay, has just recently been the challenge laid down to the Male-soul mass consciousness. You, a 'cell' of that mass consciousness, have helped the ONE of that Whole.

As you know, being able to move out of the real-balance place of quiet (absence of stimulus) with whatever Voice-Within Inspiration that comes forward to do expression is one thing. To then outwardly do that action of expression, and then do the in-taking of Experience [be it 'good' or 'bad'] is not all that hard. To then be fortunate enough to get bored with it and End that Experience; to then conclude that Experience for yourself by walking away is a little more tricky. But to then hold the new skill-set of Amnesia and maintaining a ‘no memories’ action of forgetting that previous Experience... is a triumph. So Thank you, RealityCorrodes, for the work, and the success.

Now the next challenge lies ahead. Maintaining the ability to conclude an Experience and to continue to be able to forget it with the skill-set of perfect Amnesia, so that you can repeatedly arrive at a place where there is an absence of stimulus, will not necessarily be easy. The stimulus contract, which is the overshadowing dynamic that this illusion was forced to function with, does not want to lose its position of slave-master boss over you. Stimulus will do its darnedest to get at you. It only has the instructions to keep the illusion surviving. That is its contract in the final analysis. That survival contract undergirds and overshadows all other subordinate contracts it has in its myriad forms of expression.

As you also know, those of the stimulus-design were sent here, on the most thankless mission ever, to keep the Male-soul design from dying almost instantly from disease. [Failing to procreate and produce timeline civilizations which the illusion needed to survive, could not be allowed.] They had to take on the pseudo boss role, the shop stewards and administrator of the pyramid work, the management, the leaders, the executives and leadership of corporations, politics, religion, and war… the ‘controllers’ and the trans-dimensional contracts of the stimulus mass-consciousness playing ‘overlord’ has to keep the illusion surviving.
Their job was to point out what was to be looked at. For them, being stimulus to themselves and their environment is their design’s way to do balance. This is why their own personal energy is now required to support the doing of just that, pointing out what needs to be seen, always, and their energy is required to move them into the lime light of recognition and acknowledgment to accomplish that very mission purpose.

Their job was, traditionally in the past, to forever induce both the subliminal and conscious level ‘what if’ dynamic, the game of fear, to cause for ever-more contained energy… such that the survival of the illusion was fed. Now, their job is to be loud and clear with whatever their present contract overshadowing is. Judgment of ‘good’ or ‘bad’ does not exist in the understanding of MIND. Experience is Experience… like the old gal said on the commercial few years ago, “It’s aaall good!”

The good news for all stimulus-design Beings, at all levels, and its mass consciousness dynamic as well, is that it is finally going home. It is all going home to what I refer to as the energy Union Hall and Tavern on the green. I joke that any unpaid beer tabs have all been paid.

I have recently heard of the newly proffered ‘what if’ fear dynamic that if you fail to ascend then you become star dust and only get to connect to the mind of ‘God’. This is as opposed to doing ascension correctly and becoming the body of ‘God’. Well, energy expresses everything in all dimensions everywhere, both real-dimensions and false-dimensions. It does this at the behest of what I am required to call the “boss”-gear or MIND. It does this so MIND can Experience. That Experience is the Self of MIND… its ‘body’ if you will.

So, it is the stimulus-design Beings which get to be the body of MIND. They get to go home to the energy Union Hall. When rested up enough, back to work they will go, expressing the Experience of MIND… its body.

Those of the Male-soul design, have the chore of allowing their atrophied Voice-Within to come alive… finally.

The MAN design already exists in real-dimensions (whatever that looks like as a thoughtform construct). It was supposed to express here. It did not. It could not. It was supposed to have had an uplink to the “boss”-gear of MIND, to that server farm if you will, and always have the Inspirations coming in through that Voice-Within mini ‘boss’-gear Skype connection. That link never worked. (Therefore, contracts had to be assigned as a overshadowing to take on that role of guidance.) For levity’s sake, I like to say, the “boss”-gear of MIND got stuck in the tavern learning to get the hang of running gages and even trying to tell a joke.

Only this precise timeline, in this exact now, had enough density to be heard outside the rowdy tavern door. Only this timeline had enough contained energy to makes its yell for help carry loudly enough. No other of the timeline line produced by the Genesis Cycles, that then got booted to the stars by the Phoenix Phase of the Planet-X / Nibiru dynamic, ever had enough ‘oomph’ in them to be heard. All the timelines of the past and the Orion future timeline, have all been interested in watching this now to see if this expression would do real-balance. All that which MIND directs energy to express must demonstrate this real-balance.

Since the “boss”-gear of MIND never showed up to inspect the construction of this expression, energy had no option. The illusion had to do survival until MIND did arrive to do its inspection tour. Because MIND did not show up initially, survival came the overshadowing contract. Out of this came the follow-on backup contracts of sex/procreation and power. These drove the processes of the illusion. Timeline after timeline had to spring forth to ensure this survival dynamic, and to see if just one might possibility satisfy the requirement that the expression of this experiment would show real-balance as proof of its validity.

It turns out that all the timelines converged on the same Last Future, the home of all possibilities. This is the place were everything is completely still in its solidness. There everything can be seen at once, but nothing ‘moves’ or ‘happens’. It is just the opposite in real-dimensions were everything happens at once. The Last Future is the place that sends forth the grays. They are ‘first level’ expressions sent to carry forth the possibilities that are to arise into timeline expressions. All this is in hopes of continuing the illusion’s survival and hopefully demonstrate the ability to do real-balance.

Why this all came about is something to be addressed next.

You all should be asking, “Is this guy for real?” “Why does he know what he knows?” “How did he get this way?”

This too will come next.

For now, if you wanted to double check your Voice-Within, wouldn’t it be great to have a FREE place you could do so without any cost or fee. Wouldn’t it be great if you could ask any question in complete secrecy; to protect proprietary information for example, if that were a concern. Wouldn’t it be great if your identity, your email address could never be known, and once the answer to your question was sent, that email address was dropped and forgotten from the system.

I never see your email address. I suppose my webmaster could access it, or the hosting company I use could dig it out of its servers, before it is dumped out of the system. But I don’t know how to do this. I just demanded that this be the way I wanted the system to work. This dumping of your is initiated upon the instant the response to you is sent.

You are required to devise a CodeWord to represent the thoughtform concept of any question you ask. I can never know what you ask. Your energy provides me with one of six preset Images in response to the question you want it to address.
I am an energy-sensitive… a psychic is not the right term, nor am I a Remote Viewer using their skill-set, nor am I medium either.

If you have an understanding of what your Voice Within is giving you, that you understand correctly, just ask:
“Is my energy permitted to support XYZ?” through my site.

I was required to have my energy-sensitive skill-set whether I liked it or not. I am not permitted to monetize it. The act of monetizing this work would mean that energy would be supporting the fear about survival, the root stimulus of “What if?” that controls everything here. Energy is not permitted to do this. I am not permitted to monetize my skill-set, though presents and gifts of monies is permitted for those who think it is worth their while to do so.

For your convenience see:

IRF@IRREVERENTreluctantFUTURIST.com Meat and Potatoes FREE “Action” page
http://bit.ly/FREE_ActionPage
Always click on "Proceed" on any page (Home) to get back to this special "ask your question" Action page
Try the site or Request an example of work product via: IRE@IRREVERENTreluctantFUTURIST.com
<http://www.irreverentreluctantfuturist.com/id102.php >

Please feel invited to ask any question you wish on this Thread. What Is Needed is that you understand.

Thank you RealityCorrodes for the Present of this Thread page.

It was a surprise.

I hope i do well in explaining what I know.
Like the Trumpet’s Sound Tumbling the Walls of Jericho;

The Balance Sound of MIND at play, Evaporates the magnetic coding of

The old dead Thoughtforms in the Core of the failed “old story” illusion,
Making way for the NEW STORY of real-dimensions.

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21st June 2010 10:30---#3
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Anyone else getting flashbacks?
"Thar be dragons"
Yup them thar be allot o words



Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing tactics, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception - Mark Twain



21st June 2010 10:45---#4
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Sorry. But thanks for the natural Pirate and hearty sense of humor.


21st June 2010 12:40---#5
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

morguana


yes aztar, am hearing your concerns, i would like to take this point to remind folks that dissernment is always needed
and to trust in your own hearts and not that of anothers.........think for oneself and draw ones own conclusions on any given matter.
love m

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Lots of old story stimulus going on right now - to be sure - and not much forgetting-amnesia-real-balance. Bring on the New Story I say.


~If nothing changes then nothing changes~


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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Aztar and morguana, please could you explain with clarity what it is that concerns you both about this thread? - remember you have the free will to decide not to read it!

Funny morguana, I was aware of that your private message was more about what you have written above!

And what was it about the Thuban thread that upset you both ...if I am understanding your veiled discrediting of Thuban.

Please excuse me for perhaps being naive in all this. I downloaded all of the Thuban Thread when it was going. I did not pretend to understand it but I recognised it as being of a level of knowledge far beyond the average human. I did hear things about Thuban making inappropriate sexual advances later?

If Einstein became a pediphile later on in his life...is that any reason to discredit his earlier work?

Since as I have mentioned I am interested in freedom of speech it makes me wonder what this forums agenda is at times when it seems to want to squelch certain threads?

I would tend to agree with people being old enough to decide for themselves what they wish to expose themselves to.

I often joke with friends that the day will come when the police will give me a fine because I left the house without a scarf on a cold day! Every rule a government makes which encroaches on my civil liberties (my free will to decide on what actions I wish to take for myself) detracts from my own free will sovereignty. Are we making rules that intrude upon others free will to decide what to read and what not to read?

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Heaven in a wild flower
To hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
- William Blake​

22nd June 2010 05:32---#8
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

they are fining people on the streets of Queensland, Australia, for swearing...one step away from the leave home with no scarf (in winter) fine policy...

so, all life is "experience", yah?
mostly, i feel half alive at the root

is this a "dying" existence-plane of reality?
do i merely remember the parts of soul that are deeply, fully. wholly activated?
or am i programmed to see what isn't there, rather than what is...

the magic is now, when the veil is lifted
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22nd June 2010 08:53---#9
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

But here's a thought...
To get a call for help to carry all the way into real-dimensions, there needed to be a vast amount of density from this timeline.

One could say "Stop", the call for help got through, you don't need to do make any more containment any more, but there is not a ‘stop' button on this thing. Real-balance is defined as the absence of stimulus. If stimulus did this, it wouldn't exist. It does not have the authority to make itself not exist. Its happy place is being stimulus to itself and everything else. Doing just that is its balance.

So the more stimulus does its thing the better it feels. That is why I say energy will always support stimulus doing its design purpose. The purpose of, the job of stimulus is to point at something and say, "Look at that!" If you can get an argument going over it then that is even better.

Being recognized and appreciated as a stimulus is something your energy will support, if you are of that design.

I've been struggling for the last fifteen years to grasp an understanding of the concepts I've tried to convey here. If it wasn't for the pain, wouldn't believe me either. When I don't understand something [that I am not even aware of] the pain remains until I do.


22nd June 2010 09:35---#10

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

hello IRF , you can tell when a person is bull****ting by the number of words they write....no-one knows what will happen in the future ,unless you have a direct link to a higher level of consciousness.
What the future holds depends how positive one is , and if they have a specific job to do on the Earth , and only they alone will know.....infinite consciousness is far too wise to give out all the truth and reality to everyone
lol
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

is this the pm you are alluding to?


hi reality
just wondered what this thread was about http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...s-are-welcomed! ????? am unsure how to read this as it doesnt seem to have a purpose......please can you clarify for me...it could be that am being a bit brain dead atm
many thanks
m

because if it is then i came onto the forum after spending the weekend in spiritual retreat for litha, saw this thread (sun eve) and couldnt make head nore tail what it was about. to be honest i still cant see the point in it and just to remind folk that pm means private message.

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22nd June 2010 09:45---#12

Bill Ryan

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Dear Friend,
If you didn't understand it... how come you "recognised it as being of a level of knowledge far beyond the average human"?

I excuse you!

Yes, in my opinion that was naive, if I may say so. There are other situations, more recent, where (again, in my opinion) members are devouring material because they consider that because they can't understand it, it must therefore be valuable. What a trap that is.

I'll name Ashayana Deane here as an example. Respecting and defending someone you don't understand, but who speaks with authority or conviction, can also be an indicator of low self-esteem.

To all members reading this! If you don't understand something, it might be because it's nonsense, or is designed to confuse. You might be smarter than you think you are.

Abraxasinas, the originator of the 'Thuban' material, was mentally ill - the details are known now - and there were dark forces behind that whole incident which were operating through him. The mods made the right call. To protect the forum they will make that call again, and I'll support them if they do.

The red flags went up here because although I and a number of others are fairly smart, we could not understand what the_IRF was talking about.
The best case scenario is that he needs to find ways of making himself better understood (using simple words and terms, and with concise posts, well laid-out).
I've asked him to do that.
If he's adding value which is of real service to other members, I will be among the first to salute him.

In the meantime, at least some of what he writes is self-promotional.
He's not asking for money, but is nonetheless 'selling' a service quite hard.
The line is necessarily a little fuzzy, but doing that is borderline not-okay here.

Avalon is not a platform for members to sell their wares... I don't even do that myself, except to make members aware of new videos, or of the occasional event.
So it should be.

With best wishes, Bill

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22nd June 2010 09:48---#13

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

spot on bill

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22nd June 2010 09:55---#14

Ross

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Thank you Bill,

In Full agreement!

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22nd June 2010 10:35---#15

blue777

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

that is really funny....hahha was it written in Cretan
lol

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22nd June 2010 11:48---#16
the_IRF
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Wonderfully insightful questions, LunaFlare. Wow!
Yes, I would have to agree with you. All of life is exactly that, "Experience". You generate the expression and then become present to the Experience of that expression.

The understanding I have been required to grasp is that your action of ‘expressing' the ‘Experience' that shows up for you has been guided. It could be said it has been ‘controlled' by your contract-overshadowing. This contract stuff is something that you and everyone here have had. Some have shed it. Their recognition or discernment was they didn't want the lines they had in the ‘skit' assignment they came in with. The contract is a construct. Its purpose is to direct your behavior. Why? Because something was needed to help you [‘force you'] to do actions that would shed excess contained energy. In some cases, its purpose is to move you into doing the purpose of your design. In general, the contract defines the way you attempt to shed [expel] excess contained energy.

An example of getting overloaded with excess contained energy is reading what I write. It has way too-many-words. It is too much information and too many multiples of things all together at once. Doing physical exercise, or better yet, yelling curses at me or whatever is making you overloaded dumps the excess and your head clears up.

Yes, you, like almost everyone I would guess, do register that you are alive at the root. And yes, I would have to agree with you that this is a "'dying' existence-plane of reality". I think it is Brilliant that you came up with this insight. Here is why.

I speak of the Heroic Battle play that males do. By going to battle and accomplishing the act of getting killed and dying, they accomplish the act of doing false-balance. They shed or expel all the excess contained-energy built up in this ‘lifetime' Experience... and then start afresh with another incarnation.

This ‘next' lifetime is just another [‘next'] action of ‘expression'. This then leads onto another in-taking of ‘Experience' [that life history]. Inside of that new ‘Experience' there are many smaller packets of ‘expression and ‘Experience'... like growing up, doing the job thing, etc.

The act of dying is just a jury-rigged way that the illusion has found to punch a ‘reset' or ‘reboot' button and shed excess contained energy. You might say that dying is like hitting the ‘refresh' button and dumping all the cashed memory that is clogging your browser.

This whole business of doing false-balance has come about because it is the best that could be done given the construct design of this whole illusion. The design construct is wrong. This place was supposed to do real-balance as an Experience for MIND ["boss"-gear] but it can't. This has finally become recognized by the "boss"-gear [MIND] and energy has been given the directive to replace it with what is called the NEW STORY.

"do i merely remember the parts of soul that are deeply, fully. wholly activated? or am i programmed to see what isn't there, rather than what is." Gosh, LunaFlare, this is a really interesting question. I don't know that I know.

You may notice that I never talk about soul. That is because I have been forced to recognize that the idea of soul is a construct we here in the illusion have had to come up with as a way to speak about what we intuitively register is our ‘real' self. This also goes to the idea of our having a lightbody. All of this I have been forced to understand as being false thoughtform constructs. I don't want to get into this because it would really upset everyone. We all have expectations that seem to address fundamentally intuitive truths. After all, what do you replace these concepts with, if they are now supposed to be understood as false thoughtforms? What is real, then becomes the question.

What comes up for me in tackling your very interesting question is this. Let's suppose there is a root you. Call it soul, or lightbody or something... maybe a ‘contract balloon' for the lack of a better way to look at it. Lets guess that we have expressed into every timeline that ever was, and within each one of those expressed over and over again. Lets guess that all this winds up feeling like we have been here forever. Gosh, what a pain in the butt that is! Lets guess that being wholly activated gets boring after awhile too. Then, to entertain ourselves, we just do kaleidoscope random patchwork assemblies of self in different expression sets. This might be an entertaining way to distract ourselves from the boredom of having to be here forever.

Given this, then yes, I would probably choose to remember deeply wholly activated parts of my ‘soul' as some sort of anchor so I would not become completely lost and miss the whole show in the kaleidoscope of self that I had assembled as my new entertainment or distraction. And yes, I suppose it would come across to me as "seeing what isn't there, rather than what is." ... Did I make any sense here for you?

If it doesn't register or feel intuitively useful, then chuck it. But, please keep asking questions. I get more out of them than what I am able to offer you I fear.

Sorry everyone for the too many words again.
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23rd June 2010 02:53---#17

josie

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

hmm. i don't understand physics one bit but yet i recognize it as being of a level of knowledge far beyond the average human. and, also, even though i am beyond the average human in regards to literature, i still continue to read shakespeare year after year even though i don't understand it (thoroughly, yet). again, i recognize his work as being of a level of knowledge far beyond the average human.

as for the rest of the_irf's material and resulting comments... i read his stuff like anything else on this forum or any other, and after reading i trust myself to discern, absorb what i presently need to, and toss out whatever doesn't work for me. i'm actually quite comfortable with scrolling through posts quickly if they don't resonate at the time, and don't feel the need to be "warned" that something may be suspect.
this thread has gotten my attention more because of the reaction to the material than the material itself. in the several months i've been here, there have been many threads that are every bit as vague, wordy, and, at times down right ridiculous.

anyway, just pointing out what i see as a weakness in the argument.

but i did spend much of the day wishing hunter s. was still around. so that's where my head's been at.

see ya.


24th June 2010 02:56---#18
the_IRF
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

I don't know if anyone has seen this yet.

It is about the issue of sunspot activity level being far less that has been expected, and the "What IF?" fear generated because of it.

The Washington Post;

Absence of sunspots make scientists wonder if they're seeing a calm before a storm of energy

By Stuart Clark
New Scientist
Tuesday, June 22, 2010

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/21/AR2010062104114_2.html?g=0&sid=ST2010062104203


24th June 2010 04:12---#19

Wood

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

The somewhat cryptic messages from the_IRF caught my interest a couple of weeks ago. After reading all the posts here and some from the blog I think I have a general understanding of the ideas. It is not the same case as the free Ashayana Deane material that is, in my opinion, just noise and useless detail. I am not aware of the contents of the infamous Thuban thread to comment about.

I have to add here that I consider myself quite intelligent (this is of course debatable) and well educated, although I might be a bit too enthusiastic at times because, I believe, I am going through a deep shift of consciousness, and because I had no previous exposure to these kind of subjects and many ideas are new to me (and thus interesting). A couple of years ago I was a mainstream materialist/darwinist that was convinced that hard artificial intelligence was possible (that is, to build a fully conscious machine, not just a smart robot).

I have found these IRF texts interesting because they are at times close to new ideas I have on my mind. I am going through a big change these last weeks, faster than before. Shortly after this I read the introductory texts of Michael Sharp (and I found them fascinating) and now I am wondering about the possible relationship with the ideas presented by the_IRF.

However, I find these ideas to be a bit too much fatalist, disempowering and divisive for my [current] taste. They are basically telling us to wait and not worry since everything has already been decided for us. This does not mean it could not be (partially) true though. And it has some parts that are politically incorrect as hell, that is for sure.

I have some questions for the_IRF. I was waiting for a thread to ask them.

First, it is channelled material, but in a wicked, sadistic way. I am not doubting you have experienced all this, all the pain, the_IRF. However, I wonder why do you believe it is the truth and not just some kind of indoctrination?

Second, I find it interesting the idea that there are two main designs here on Earth (two types of persons): Male designs (incarnated both in males and females, but mostly males) and stimulus designs. I like the idea that stimulus designs have been introduced into this reality to force male designs to act, and that they are responsible for the sorry state of the world. It was their job here. However, I find it hard to swallow when you mention (I quote from memory) that at the moment only 1.5% of the people on Earth are Male designs, and that only those are going to make it to the New Story. Are you suggesting we are going to experience it as a massive population reduction? Are you suggesting that only [some] males and very few females are going to survive to the New Story? That seems to imply the rules are going to be radically different.

Third, I like how it fits with the ideas of Michael Sharp that the boss-gear (a consciousness) shapes the energy here. I understand it as if this reality is boss-gear's theme park and that Male designs and stimulus designs are the visitors (under a veil?). I think I've read you saying that the Male designs are just really one (one consciousness incarnated in many bodies?) and maybe that stimulus designs are another self. Am I right here or do you believe they are different entities, as we percieve them/us?

Thank you.

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24th June 2010 08:14---#20
the_IRF
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Wonderful post, Wood. Thank you for the huge unfolding that is happening inside of you. It is a chore.

First, I do not know of Michael Sharp. I plead ignorance. I have been ‘cloistered’ for some time now. Where can I find information on his work, please. [PM me with links if you would like, or post them for others to have access to.]

That you register the deep shift unfolding with your consciousness is something I would like to support with acknowledgment.

The sooner you and anyone else have no use for me or any of my stuff, the happier I am… I am far too self-important as is.

Because you have raised so many insightful and intelligent questions, I need to spend some serious time formulating a response that will do honor to your effort.

 

SUSANakaTHE13THBRIDGE - Posted Jun 30th 2010





24th June 2010 08:54---#21
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome
keywords , honed , precise , convey with clarity , simple truth , unclouded

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24th June 2010 17:21---#22
Wood

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

http://www.michaelsharp.org/

I'd like to amend my first question: I understand why you could believe it is true (due to the conditioning induced by pain), but how is that expected to convince other people? There are simpler ways to deliver accurate information...
"Truth never damages a cause that is just."
"Whenever you have truth it must be given with love, or the message and the messenger will be rejected."
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24th June 2010 20:51---#23
lunaflare

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

unity in diversity- with greater emphasis on the latter!

in truth, i am ever weary of the D word. yep, Discernment....
so over used and locked into left brain, critical thinking:where we judge, assess and use logic in a dream world...

what about encouraging the right hemisphere; the mind-heart. here lies infinite possibility, infinite expression and no judgement.
the heart mind is less talked about in science.. yet the heart contains a brain -with a complex set of neurons.
and this -as ancient cultures have known- is the stargate that serves to guide us between worlds. beyond all "logic".

firstly, i am in agreement with "josie"..i do not need to be told what to read or what may well be "nonsense".
This is subjective

Bill-with much respect-mental illness is another label to define that which we do not fully understand (and therefore fear).
for centuries we have used control, lobotomies and drugs to silence those who ..hear voices or channel multiple personalities...or simply express views or behaviour that challenge society.

perhaps these people are more attuned to vast mulit frequency ranges that mark this time/space continuum.

shamans, perhaps.

it is not my place to judge and discredit. locking someone away (or out of a forum) does not increase the opportunity for greater understanding and awareness. we don't need to agree nor fully understand. and if it is nonsense, so what? alice in wonderland sparks the imagination (and does pretty well in retail sales).

I never read the Thuban thread. I was not drawn. Similarly, Asha Deane...I did not understand, yet I did appreciate snippets and the discussions that arose with debate.

also, I am not looking into the site of IRF...yet I appreciate his posts. they are thoughtful and respectful-
agree or not, this thread may offer opportunities for deeper reflection.
I am grateful for that, as I dip into many threads and there is no one "way" for me. I love this about this forum. the range...EXPANSION

OK now here is my query to IRF:
wrote:

IRF WROTE:

All of this I have been forced to understand as being false thoughtform constructs. I don't want to get into this because it would really upset everyone. We all have expectations that seem to address fundamentally intuitive truths. After all, what do you replace these concepts with, if they are now supposed to be understood as false thoughtforms? What is real, then becomes the question.


what do you mean, Forced to understand? by who?
explain please
Also not going "Into" something having bothered to mentioned seems odd
who is going to be upset? this is just your opinion dude. and hey, we can handle it!

With Thanks,
Lunaflare

25th June 2010 00:41---#24
cccme


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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Welcome IRF..
I see you have been making some waves...
I agree that people should make up their own minds about things. I do not think at this time that I am still in the phase of having to digest every new spiritual method or the next new thing. I value this forum because all of the differing opinions which often get me thinking in a new way.
At this point I see things as either helping me find my way or not. I am still not sure if this information will be useful. Or it could be useful in just learning how to spot useful or not useful information. I am at this time cultivating my ability to discern what is useful for me that does not mean it will not be useful to others for various reasons.
Bill, I know how you think/feel about this thread and IRF and I want to thank you for letting it continue despite your views. That alone says much about your charactor.
I for one have some questions for the IRF I will keep them general.
You state that their is no free will in this false dimension. Action and choices have then been decided, Yes? If so, then what are you attempting to accomplish by going public.
Who has instructed you to step out with this information.?
You also stated that earth hates humans and hates humans living on her surface. How did you come to this conclusion?. I imagine that earth agreed to this experience as it had some lessions to learn and freely agreed to participate in this failed experiement. I would image the earth has a more compassionate and wise view of the whole picture. Yes, us human treat her badly but she did agree to this.
That is enough for now.
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25th June 2010 00:55---#25
John

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan Abraxasinas, the originator of the 'Thuban' material, was mentally ill - the details are known now - and there were dark forces behind that whole incident which were operating through him.

Excuse me? "Mentally ill"?

Bill, as I am sure you know many people who speak up on strange topics will likely be faced with the accusation from the so called mentally stable about being mentally ill. Just ask Michael Tsarion about some of his mentors and thier mentors mentors who had to be visited in psyche wards while they were detained for the good of all people by TBTB for being "mentally ill".

You are very likely aware of many people who are made to shut up by being so labelled.

I am not saying you are right or wrong on the medical fact. However, I would appreciate being given more detail of how it is that this can be said with such certainty - and being given (privately if necessary) some references to this "known now" information.

I absolutely detest people being labelled as "mentally ill" especially when it appears as some kind of justification or fait-a-complit for having some action taken on something as insignificant as an ignorable topic on an internet forum.

For my part the Thuban Q&A material was (AND STILL IS!) in parts very thought provoking and it matters not to me wether mental illness was a factor. This thread is the same. You may not want it on your forum and that is fine - just say so.

Please please please dont ever accuse or suggest someone is mentally ill ever again to help justify your position - unless you really do want to align yourself with those who use those tactics as part of their everyday armoury against individualism.

John..
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25th June 2010 01:24---#26
HORIZONS

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

per Rosie's signature... ....And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
"Friedrich Nietzsche"


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25th June 2010 01:56---#27
the_IRF
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Originally Posted by lunaflare this is an interesting thread i opine...it raises "issues" for people and, as i see it, where there is discomfort and dissent; a plane of "reality" is able to unfurl.
unity in diversity- with greater emphasis on the latter!

in truth, i am ever weary of the D word. yep, Discernment....
so over used and locked into left brain, critical thinking:where we judge, assess and use logic in a dream world...

what about encouraging the right hemisphere; the mind-heart. here lies infinite possibility, infinite expression and no judgement.
the heart mind is less talked about in science.. yet the heart contains a brain -with a complex set of neurons.
and this -as ancient cultures have known- is the stargate that serves to guide us between worlds. beyond all "logic".

firstly, i am in agreement with "josie"..i do not need to be told what to read or what may well be "nonsense".
This is subjective

Bill-with much respect-mental illness is another label to define that which we do not fully understand (and therefore fear).
for centuries we have used control, lobotomies and drugs to silence those who ..hear voices or channel multiple personalities...or simply express views or behaviour that challenge society.

perhaps these people are more attuned to vast mulit frequency ranges that mark this time/space continuum.

shamans, perhaps.

it is not my place to judge and discredit. locking someone away (or out of a forum) does not increase the opportunity for greater understanding and awareness. we don't need to agree nor fully understand. and if it is nonsense, so what? alice in wonderland sparks the imagination (and does pretty well in retail sales).

I never read the Thuban thread. I was not drawn. Similarly, Asha Deane...I did not understand, yet I did appreciate snippets and the discussions that arose with debate.

also, I am not looking into the site of IRF...yet I appreciate his posts. they are thoughtful and respectful-
agree or not, this thread may offer opportunities for deeper reflection.
I am grateful for that, as I dip into many threads and there is no one "way" for me. I love this about this forum. the range...EXPANSION

OK now here is my query to IRF:
wrote:

IRF WROTE:

All of this I have been forced to understand as being false thoughtform constructs. I don't want to get into this because it would really upset everyone. We all have expectations that seem to address fundamentally intuitive truths. After all, what do you replace these concepts with, if they are now supposed to be understood as false thoughtforms? What is real, then becomes the question.

what do you mean, Forced to understand? by who?
explain please
Also not going "Into" something having bothered to mentioned seems odd
who is going to be upset? this is just your opinion dude. and hey, we can handle it!

With Thanks,
Lunaflare

(Thursday, June 24, 2010)
Dear LunaFlare,

You are wonderfully insightful in my understanding. The ‘heart-brain' is what I always supposed was the thing used when the skill-set or the talent of ‘discernment' was brought to bear. I also assumed that it is the left-brain (the dominant-hand brain) of logic or the critical ‘engineers' thinking brain, was to act as the stimulus prompting the ‘heart-brain' into the Inspiration of What Is Needed discernment.

Forums of discovery and search are like the old time University Debate wherein the presentation of ‘argument' was the discipline used to reveal insight to grasp at yet another issue that would then show up. This evolved, naturally and correctly into the ‘scientific process'. Yet we all know that anything worthwhile was always a huge threat to the established expectations of the status quo. This is the process of Deductive Reasoning. To deduce understanding from outside information is to be deductive. Eductive derives from the word educate, as in ‘to educate'. To educe is ‘to draw from within' according to dictionary definitions. My blog is EductiveFutureGroup. [the implication is that the ‘future is drawn from within']. Yes, there is a group I work with who have been my ‘instructors' to one extent or another. Their job was to facilitate the reordering of my comprehensions... and mostly the dispelling of my thoughtform ‘belief' structures.

This issue of ‘who or what' were applied to the role of explaining and helping me grasp why I had such pain is something I will look to explain as I can get to it. This is all part of the questions that both you and Wood have addressed, and; "Forced to understand? by who?" This all is of the whole.

The comprehensions I have been brought to grasp contravene the foundational understandings that the illusion holds as the way things are. For example, typically the concept of ‘God' or ‘Source' or what-have-you is seen with the personification of something, ‘someone' who cares. What if it were more an IT that functioned as a gear with a job to do, without ‘emotion', where the dynamic of compassion is unheard of. More than that, why would compassion be a false-thoughtform?

Hell, what if that concept of compassion was to be understood as something that does not exist except for here as a false-thoughtform, does not exist in and is not permitted in real-dimensions. That alone should raise some hairballs of contention just because compassion is a rudimentary cornerstone of this illusion's understanding. It is but one of many fundamental tenets of what would document the Illuminated authority of ‘Source or God, etc.' which have been forced into the level of our waking-state level consciousness.

You can see the problems... with trying to address everything all at once without at least some background development of the ‘math' being addressed.

Forgive me, please, for failing to address your very correct and useful questions just now. I was in the midst of trying to do just that for Wood, and now for you too.

Thank you all for your forthright temperaments and the robust character of your personal constitutions, fully willing and capable of devouring, or at least chewing on new food for thought... a new calculus articulating the Big Picture of the NEW STORY.

Please do not let anything pass by that you wish to address as question. It is important for you and possibly for others too. Let us trust and operate that you are registering what needs to be addressed as the next What Is Needed. Thank you for the kindly and confident and robust nature with which you do so.



25th June 2010 03:34---#28
josie

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Originally Posted by Wood The somewhat cryptic messages from the_IRF caught my interest a couple of weeks ago. After reading all the posts here and some from the blog I think I have a general understanding of the ideas. It is not the same case as the free Ashayana Deane material that is, in my opinion, just noise and useless detail. I am not aware of the contents of the infamous Thuban thread to comment about.

I have to add here that I consider myself quite intelligent (this is of course debatable) and well educated, although I might be a bit too enthusiastic at times because, I believe, I am going through a deep shift of consciousness, and because I had no previous exposure to these kind of subjects and many ideas are new to me (and thus interesting). A couple of years ago I was a mainstream materialist/darwinist that was convinced that hard artificial intelligence was possible (that is, to build a fully conscious machine, not just a smart robot).

I have found these IRF texts interesting because they are at times close to new ideas I have on my mind. I am going through a big change these last weeks, faster than before. Shortly after this I read the introductory texts of Michael Sharp (and I found them fascinating) and now I am wondering about the possible relationship with the ideas presented by the_IRF.

However, I find these ideas to be a bit too much fatalist, disempowering and divisive for my [current] taste. They are basically telling us to wait and not worry since everything has already been decided for us. This does not mean it could not be (partially) true though. And it has some parts that are politically incorrect as hell, that is for sure.

I have some questions for the_IRF. I was waiting for a thread to ask them.

First, it is channelled material, but in a wicked, sadistic way. I am not doubting you have experienced all this, all the pain, the_IRF. However, I wonder why do you believe it is the truth and not just some kind of indoctrination?

Second, I find it interesting the idea that there are two main designs here on Earth (two types of persons): Male designs (incarnated both in males and females, but mostly males) and stimulus designs. I like the idea that stimulus designs have been introduced into this reality to force male designs to act, and that they are responsible for the sorry state of the world. It was their job here. However, I find it hard to swallow when you mention (I quote from memory) that at the moment only 1.5% of the people on Earth are Male designs, and that only those are going to make it to the New Story. Are you suggesting we are going to experience it as a massive population reduction? Are you suggesting that only [some] males and very few females are going to survive to the New Story? That seems to imply the rules are going to be radically different.

Third, I like how it fits with the ideas of Michael Sharp that the boss-gear (a consciousness) shapes the energy here. I understand it as if this reality is boss-gear's theme park and that Male designs and stimulus designs are the visitors (under a veil?). I think I've read you saying that the Male designs are just really one (one consciousness incarnated in many bodies?) and maybe that stimulus designs are another self. Am I right here or do you believe they are different entities, as we percieve them/us?

Thank you.

good job wood. thank you for your time and energy that you put into your words. appreciate it.



25th June 2010 03:41---#29
josie

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Originally Posted by lunaflare this is an interesting thread i opine...it raises "issues" for people and, as i see it, where there is discomfort and dissent; a plane of "reality" is able to unfurl.
unity in diversity- with greater emphasis on the latter!

in truth, i am ever weary of the D word. yep, Discernment....
so over used and locked into left brain, critical thinking:where we judge, assess and use logic in a dream world...

what about encouraging the right hemisphere; the mind-heart. here lies infinite possibility, infinite expression and no judgement.
the heart mind is less talked about in science.. yet the heart contains a brain -with a complex set of neurons.
and this -as ancient cultures have known- is the stargate that serves to guide us between worlds. beyond all "logic".

firstly, i am in agreement with "josie"..i do not need to be told what to read or what may well be "nonsense".
This is subjective

Bill-with much respect-mental illness is another label to define that which we do not fully understand (and therefore fear).
for centuries we have used control, lobotomies and drugs to silence those who ..hear voices or channel multiple personalities...or simply express views or behaviour that challenge society.

perhaps these people are more attuned to vast mulit frequency ranges that mark this time/space continuum.

shamans, perhaps.

it is not my place to judge and discredit. locking someone away (or out of a forum) does not increase the opportunity for greater understanding and awareness. we don't need to agree nor fully understand. and if it is nonsense, so what? alice in wonderland sparks the imagination (and does pretty well in retail sales).

I never read the Thuban thread. I was not drawn. Similarly, Asha Deane...I did not understand, yet I did appreciate snippets and the discussions that arose with debate.

also, I am not looking into the site of IRF...yet I appreciate his posts. they are thoughtful and respectful-
agree or not, this thread may offer opportunities for deeper reflection.
I am grateful for that, as I dip into many threads and there is no one "way" for me. I love this about this forum. the range...EXPANSION

OK now here is my query to IRF:
wrote:

IRF WROTE:

All of this I have been forced to understand as being false thoughtform constructs. I don't want to get into this because it would really upset everyone. We all have expectations that seem to address fundamentally intuitive truths. After all, what do you replace these concepts with, if they are now supposed to be understood as false thoughtforms? What is real, then becomes the question.

what do you mean, Forced to understand? by who?
explain please
Also not going "Into" something having bothered to mentioned seems odd
who is going to be upset? this is just your opinion dude. and hey, we can handle it!

With Thanks,
Lunaflare

awesome lunaflare and, as i said to wood, thank you for your words. if, in my dreams, i could unscramble my words enough, they'd come out exactly like yours. but no... i am a poet and not an essayist.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Originally Posted by John Excuse me? "Mentally ill"?

Bill, as I am sure you know many people who speak up on strange topics will likely be faced with the accusation from the so called mentally stable about being mentally ill. Just ask Michael Tsarion about some of his mentors and thier mentors mentors who had to be visited in psyche wards while they were detained for the good of all people by TBTB for being "mentally ill".

You are very likely aware of many people who are made to shut up by being so labelled.

I am not saying you are right or wrong on the medical fact. However, I would appreciate being given more detail of how it is that this can be said with such certainty - and being given (privately if necessary) some references to this "known now" information.

I absolutely detest people being labelled as "mentally ill" especially when it appears as some kind of justification or fait-a-complit for having some action taken on something as insignificant as an ignorable topic on an internet forum.

For my part the Thuban Q&A material was (AND STILL IS!) in parts very thought provoking and it matters not to me wether mental illness was a factor. This thread is the same. You may not want it on your forum and that is fine - just say so.

Please please please dont ever accuse or suggest someone is mentally ill ever again to help justify your position - unless you really do want to align yourself with those who use those tactics as part of thier everyday armoury against individualism.

John..

exactly john. thank you.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Originally Posted by HORIZONS per Rosie's signature... ....And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
"Friedrich Nietzsche"

now isn't that the truth.


25th June 2010 03:45---#30
the_IRF
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Originally Posted by cccme
Welcome IRF..
I see you have been making some waves...
I agree that people should make up their own minds about things. I do not think at this time that I am still in the phase of having to digest every new spiritual method or the next new thing. I value this forum because all of the differing opinions which often get me thinking in a new way.
At this point I see things as either helping me find my way or not. I am still not sure if this information will be useful. Or it could be useful in just learning how to spot useful or not useful information. I am at this time cultivating my ability to discern what is useful for me that does not mean it will not be useful to others for various reasons.
Bill, I know how you think/feel about this thread and IRF and I want to thank you for letting it continue despite your views. That alone says much about your charactor.
I for one have some questions for the IRF I will keep them general.
You state that their is no free will in this false dimension. Action and choices have then been decided, Yes? If so, then what are you attempting to accomplish by going public.
Who has instructed you to step out with this information.?
You also stated that earth hates humans and hates humans living on her surface. How did you come to this conclusion?. I imagine that earth agreed to this experience as it had some lessions to learn and freely agreed to participate in this failed experiement. I would image the earth has a more compassionate and wise view of the whole picture. Yes, us human treat her badly but she did agree to this.
That is enough for now.[/COLOR]

(Thursday, June 24, 2010)
Dear CCCMe,

If anyone ever used my email:
IRF@EductiveFutureGroup.com or IRF@IRREVERENTreluctantFUTURIST.com they would get a response that ends:

Signed, the IRF
Interface for energy
To support your real balance.
REMEMBER: Expect to "Hear" your own REAL boss-gear voice-within.

The only important part is "hearing" your own Voice-Within... your own ‘discernment'.

My website Action page is designed specifically so you can make me wrong. In private emails or via PM, were I to tell you that your energy will support such-and-such, XYZ, you could can easily make me wrong by using the website to ask a CodeWord question "Is my energy permitted to support XYZ?" Then see what response comes back. I can never know your email address or who you are. The coding for the site was specifically set up so I couldn't. My webmaster might be able to, as might the hosting company, WHILE you question and the return email given for response, has not been answered. Once it the response has been sent it causes that email to be dumped and forgotten. I suppose it can be found somehow by the hosting company, by not even my webmaster would have access to that archive. I certainly don't have the where-with-all to hack that data.

I can never ever know what question is being asked. You use a CodeWord as a stand-in for the thoughtform you are holding as the question. You energy knows what it is, and it holds a ‘coded' signature all its own far beyond any words that could be used. The CodeWord is the whole kit and caboodle of your question all ‘zip filed' in 36 characters. You could use all dots and it will work, expect that if you repeatedly did that you would have any way to compare it to a cipher or codeword record of your questions. You might even be able to use blank spaces, and that would still carry the ‘magnetic signature' of your question because you imprinted the whole process with an action.

Let me reiterate. The website is designed to prove me wrong. Additionally it should only be used to verify or double check your understanding of what you are getting... or should be hearing now... It is a way to gain validation for self. It is a way to make sure you can distinguish when you are following the ‘right' smell as you wander through the dark woods under the veiling of this stupid dimension.

"You state that there is no free will in this false dimension. Action and choices have then been decided, Yes? If so, then what are you attempting to accomplish by going public."

You are very right. I shouldn't have gone public. It is a scary trap of ‘self-importance'. What is coming has no need of my assistance. In fact, my intrusion can all too easily get in the way because I gush out everything. Because there is huge support of the Male-soul designs and their having to deal with attempting to do something that has never been done before, I hoped to lend support. Because the stimulus design needed to make this place dense enough, so its call for help would carry to real-dimensions, has had such a thankless job, and because it is getting its Academy Award and going to the cast party while the set is struck, I thought they might be glad to know. The problem is that this is all outside of anyone's expectations and so must be attacked as something usurping their cherished belief structure.

But how could they or anyone know. Then the worst part is that if you give credence to what I have as information, then I become some sort of big deal. Well, I've done that gig in the illusion over and over again. There was never anything more deft at doing power in the whole of the illusion than i. I am a design only. That was my job. That is my design. I can not ever be or do what the Male-soul design might be able to accomplish. I can not and could not ever do what the stimulus design was assigned to do. I have zero authority to ever think up what ought to be an expression. My design has no authority to make up What Is Needed thoughtforms. Because, by design, I can never ever ‘accomplish' the possibilities or even past ‘expression assignments' of which I speak, I am allowed to know about it.

One could argue that because I can have no vested interest in the outcome, I am permitted to know, and to some degree play the role of messenger... if I don't get ‘shot' first or go to the ‘do power' thing of being self important.

You will notice that no book of mine is published. I do not and am not permitted to do seminars or monetize my ‘skill-set'. Few visit my website or blogs. This is not a mistake. It is orchestrated and controlled. I am not to be known. I am not to be famous. I am not to be self-important. I am not to do power. And now I have gone and made a mess of things.

However, because of what has happened with the Male-soul designs associated with this Forum, more than one major NEW STORY Bench Mark Events have occurred. The NEW STORY is cascading into this ‘space' and consuming the magnetics of what is now forgotten. As the shredding of the old dead thoughtforms happens, so too are the contracts that overshadowed everything shredded. The veil, if you will, is being shredded. Even the magnetic coding of the stimulus stronghold of the Last Future is being shredded. Like a skeet clay powdered to nothingness... the contiguity of magnetic coding of all blueprints articulating all false-thoughtform is being shredded. Amnesia will set in. ‘Self' and ‘design' will awaken to Self or awaken to design, or simply come to reside or function in its respective proper place in real-dimensions.

What will not be remembered can never have been.

The "Who has instructed you to step out with this information?" question is something I am working on for you and Wood and LunaFlame. Please be patient for a bit more.

Regarding, "I imagine that earth agreed to this experience "

No, the Planet did not have that authority of choice. It was given the contract to support ‘everything'. It was ‘shackled' and forced to do shaman's death over and over in the Phoenix Phase of the Planet-X and Nibiru gig as the only way to support the onset of the next Genesis Cycle. And it hates anyone speaking its name and is especially infuriated by the being referred to as female. It really goes ballistic whenever anyone dares to say what it the Planet thinks or wants.

"How dare you!" [You might guess that thoughtform just got ‘channeled'.]

The thunder and fury you may pick up in my energy field is a bleed through from the Planet.

As an energy-sensitive, you might guess I register the energy of anything solid in the illusion. Another way to say this is that i can know the understanding that anything solid holds, such a rock, or tree, or the wind, or even the sun... It is not a far stretch to guess that something with such a loud voice as the Planet might be able to make its disposition know to me... whether I like it or not.

What others might hear the Planet is saying at any given point is exactly what their contracts say they are to hear.

[With this last pronouncement, it would either be true or not, right? The statement alone suggests that many others are ‘wrong'. It is easy to use my website and prove that I am wrong. That is what it is there for.]

There was supposed to be only one MAN expression here in the illusion. But that didn't work out. So there had to be more and more expressions which could only resolve as Male-soul design Beings and then later stimulus-design Beings.

Now, there are 7 billion ‘things' still trying to dump excess into the Planet so they will not die and also as the way to make this place dense enough to be heard in real dimensions. Until the very end of 2008 the Planet was required by contract to take all that excess containment in. It hurts. January 1, 2009 the Planet was released from its chains, when the NEW STORY got started. The consciousness of the Planet escaped to join the "boss"-gear of MIND a few months ago. It no longer is in quit so much fury about humans. We are all lucky for that.

Respectfully yours,
the_IRF



25th June 2010 06:58---#31
the_IRF
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Well, I mustn't say anything, that is recalling the ‘old story', that is remembering, that is not doing the amnesia required for real-balance... that is what I am not supposed to do...

The transition to the NEW STORY didn't need my help. That is well in hand. I just wanted to connect and support the Male-soul designs and tell the stimulus-designs they are all getting their ‘Academy Award Oscars' for the most thankless assignment ever.

As you discover the rejuvenation or activation of your own personal internal ‘radio' crank up, as your own personal "boss'-gear of MIND Voice-Within hits its stride, the sooner you are likely to say, "Buzz off IRF, I'm done."

There is very little use for me to provide the information I have offered. That is why no one or very few ever get to either my blogs or website. If it were needed, they would be swamped.

The only real point to the double-blind design of my website, wherein I can never know the questions asked or to whom the email response goes, is precisely so they can prove me wrong. If you happen to communicate with me directly, I can tell you what the response is from your own energy regarding any question. Then go use the website. Prove me wrong. See if you can get a different answer to the same thoughtform question. If you can't then maybe you will guess that your own energy doesn't lie.

You may notice that the site repeatedly tries to discourage people from using it. It constantly reminds them that they are to ‘hear' and trust their own Voice-Within... that they should perhaps only use the site as a good way to double check their interpretation or understanding of what they register from their Voice-Within... and/or especially to confirm for themselves that their sense of ‘smell' is developing well.

Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Michael Sharp: http://www.michaelsharp.org/
[post continued]
(Thursday, June 24, 2010)Yes, Wood,

I had just found the Michael Sharp link, and Ashayana Deane YoutTube videos. Thank you. I am such a newbie to the Internet i forgot to do a Google search. I have not yet figured out how to find out about the Thuban materials.

Your observations about 'convincing' other people is most useful and gets to the nub of things. Everyone is always trying to know how can i trust something as truth, and how can i know if i am being gamed. Why would something do the 'gaming' expression, is there any good reason for it, how do i evaluate something so that i don't embarrass myself or do myself a disservice. This is exactly what should be agenda each holds for self. This is Centering-on-Self as is appropriate. It is not being self-centered which is a way of doing power.

[Doing power increases the total level of contained energy in the timeline -> supporting the expression of the Phoenix Phase part of that Genesis Cycle -> supporting the larger 'old story' contract requirement to 'survive'.]

So, yes, i have been thinking about why it was such an astute thing to have done to me, the pain thing, as a method... and does it serve to provide any level of credibility for others to judge the veracity of the information ('data-stream' in the vernacular of Ashayana Deane)

The very first thing i said to my DoD/HomeLandSecurity friend who is a highly talented mystic and esoteric magician, "i don't believe any of this stuff either, it is so contrary to accepted thought, be it either old school theosophical thought, mystic school teachings, new age channeled materials, etc." "If it weren't for the regimen of pain, i wouldn't believe me either!"

You have made me recognize something because of your incisive and on point questioning. It is exactly What Is Needed. I always included the inference of why would you, the outsider listening to some stuff, give up your sovereignty to it and believe it. I say you should never, ever give up one stitch of your sovereignty, ever.

[Then, too, I turn around and say that within the illusion no one ever had any free will, ever... that that thoughtform was a ‘sell'. It is the easiest way to put on the shackles, hide slavery in plain sight, so-to-speak. Worse, yet, in real-dimensions, there is no free will for energy either. It takes it marching orders from the "boss"-gear or MIND. In real-dimension there only exists what have come to be called 3U design or Origination, one of which is MAN. (I will have to address this all later in detail below, somewhere.) These 3U designs all function in concord with MIND to continually and repeatedly reconstitute Balance for themselves and for the whole of real dimensions. They are autonomous to self, yes, but by design support the dynamic of reconstituting Balance in real-dimensions, and so, can not be said to have free will. Neither does MIND for that matter. Its job, as a "boss"-gear, is to drive the process of reconstituting balance. So, if MIND doesn't get to have the lie of free will, why should anything else. If mind is slave to its design and that purpose, why should not everything else also be slave to their respective design purpose. (Does this help a bit?)]

There are 3U Originations, for the lack of a better term, which are components of MIND that it recognizes as itself... sort of. They are expressions MIND identified as needed and appropriate to reconstitute Balance for itself and real-dimensions. There are very few of them. EMS (electro magnetic spectrum), Color, Sound, Shape, Wind, Water, Tree, Plant, Man, (failed illusion experiment did not qualify -> NEW STORY), ‘Judgment' [discernment, for the lack of a better term]. It is interesting that there would have been 11 Originations, if numerology held any status in real dimensions, which it does not. These 3U Originations function as a mass consciousness as a ONE. They also are separate and autonomous unto themselves alone. They exist separately and together as a ONE ‘within' MIND.

One might be tempted to say they are the ‘body' of MIND. It is as good an idea as any and is appropriately useful.

As a detail of understanding, these 3U designs, these 3U Originations are understood as ‘energy-feeling-shapes' or "blue-print" thoughtforms that MIND identified as appropriate to reconstitute Balance for itself and real-dimensions. They have been given the moniker of 3U = UUU, where each U is a symbol that means ‘amplification'.

The first U = stimulus-real (supporting the middle U into paying attention to when it needs to do real-balance)
The second U = MIND ('energy-feeling-shape thoughtform' that expresses and proceeds to real-balance)
The third U = energy (required to do the expression of the energy-feeling-shape thoughtform of the 3U design)

stimulus - MIND - energy
stimulus - Origination - energy
stimulus - 3U design -- energy

stimulus-real (within) - MIND (within) - energy (component of self -> to do expression of self's ‘Inspiration')
I am still trying to get to your:
"I'd like to amend my first question: I understand why you could believe it is true (due to the conditioning induced by pain), but how is that expected to convince other people? There are simpler ways to deliver accurate information..."
"... fatalist, disempowering and divisive" ideas.
"... channeled material, but in a wicked, sadistic way."
"I find it hard to swallow ... 1.5% of the people on Earth are Male designs, ... massive population reduction? Are you suggesting that only [some] males and very few females are going to survive to the New Story? That seems to imply the rules are going to be radically different."
"I understand it as if this reality is the boss-gear's theme park and that Male designs and stimulus designs are the visitors (under a veil?). I think I've read you saying that the Male designs are just really one (one consciousness incarnated in many bodies?) and maybe that stimulus designs are another self. Am I right here or do you believe they are different entities, as we perceive them/us?"

It is a bit tricky trying to keep up. Please everyone, don't let me inadvertently fail to address something. I will tell you if I want to dodge something or can't figure out how to deal with it in a less controversial way.

Last edited by the_IRF; 25th June 2010 at 07:50.


25th June 2010 07:08---#32
Bill Ryan


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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Originally Posted by John

Excuse me?

Abraxasinas, the originator of the 'Thuban' material, was mentally ill - the details are known now - and there were dark forces behind that whole incident which were operating through him.

"Mentally ill"?

[snip]

You are very likely aware of many people who are made to shut up by being so labelled.

Yes, of course. Wilhelm Reich, and many others.

But some people ARE mentally ill. I could think of different euphemisms (alternative semantics) to use, but the fact is the same. If you're honest, you know exactly what I mean.

Some people are delusional (i.e. disconnected with reality: physical reality or otherwise) and earnestly believe their delusions and want to impress them on others. If you want to turn my stating that uncomfortable fact round against ME, than that reflects on YOU not liking what I am pointing out.

To clarify further: that category of delusional people can be subdivided into those that are harmless, and those that can harm others.

And those that can harm others can do so physically, or emotionally/ psychically. To deny that is naive.

Originally Posted by John
I am not saying you are right or wrong on the medical fact. However, I would appreciate being given more detail of how it is that this can be said with such certainty - and being given (privately if necessary) some references to this "known now" information.

I'll leave it to others to PM you if you want to know. The information seemed legitimate to me when I read it.

Originally Posted by John
Please please please dont ever accuse or suggest someone is mentally ill ever again to help justify your position.

I stand on my position.

Some people have delusional ideas and they are harmless. Others seek to impress them on others and have agendas - usually concealed control agendas. That's when things become dangerous to the community.

It's not about whether someone has unconventional ideas. I have some unusual ideas myself, and I'm sure you do too. Some of my ideas I'm pretty certain are valid. That's all fine and healthy. But when people try to SELL their strange ideas to others with an intention to influence or control, and overwhelm other opinions with weight or volume or length or emotional intensity, then the game changes its nature.

Some people we do not catch straight away. It's the same in every forum: look and see. I suspect in other forums people who are unbalanced and destabilizing the community are quickly spotted and asked to leave. There are good reasons for that.

Harmless delusion is fine. There's a lot of that among New Agers. (Another uncomfortable truth.) But if a community is affected, then the guardians of the community have a responsibility to do something about it. If your preference is to allow everyone to hold forth on every delusional view endlessly, and to allow nature to take its course, the result is that good people are deterred and driven away, exasperated. I don't want that to happen. Whatever you think and feel, this is still a private party.

There was another delusional person who we encountered before on the original Avalon forum and recently asked to be invited to the new forum. We DID catch that, and their application was declined. We have a responsibility to do that, or else the entire community can become disturbed. That's what happened with Abraxasinas. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

If this issue is now resurfacing here, then that tells us something.

Last edited by Bill Ryan; 25th June 2010 at 07:19.


25th June 2010 07:29---#33

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Originally Posted by the_IRF (Thursday, June 24, 2010)

My problem has always been my wordiness. I run off at the mouth and type a thousand words when someone else could get it done much more efficiently.

Don't do it, then.

Originally Posted by the_IRF
I am such a newbie to the Internet i forgot to do a Google search.

I find it very hard to believe that you are telling the truth.

Last edited by Bill Ryan; 25th June 2010 at 07:33.


25th June 2010 10:03---#34
the_IRF
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan Don't do it, then.

The problem is i am not like someone else. The ways that my old story contract worked was to get to false-balance by expelling excess through the expression of words; written or vocally.

I find it very hard to believe that you are telling the truth.

I just didn't think of it until after i had asked for help. I can understand why everything must be challenged as an enemy. And i certainly understand why i must be made wrong at every turn by you. It makes complete sense to me. I would think what you think too, if i were in your place, responsible for the role of protecting this sanctuary for others. I take no offense. May i encourage others not to either.


25th June 2010 15:21---#35
Agape

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Buggers. I don't like arguments ...Life did not make all of us the best of movie producers , some people , I mean most people so far, have real problem with 'how to present knowledge, information , valuable ideas, in one piece and form that is digestible to others.

Sometimes, after many such attempts ..they're labeled service-to-self ego maniacs and mentals , without deeper inspection to treasures hidden on the bottom of their souls.
Yeah, I know, we live in quick times.
Present yourself the way to be understood or better not at all. Taxes for confusions, tears for fears.

Just want to say hello and thanks to Bill and that the Forum looks/works and feels much better right now than it did before.

Keep up the Good Works and Spirits. I hope to be able to squeeze myself into here sometimes too..

A



25th June 2010 15:33---#36
celine


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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Your heart beats loud..may i suggest more silence for your soul.

Futur...is not hard to figure out, if you pay attention.

Oh of course details are always fuzzy...but humanity tends to behave the same way ...even if maybe the scenario and the players change.

i sense a duality in you, TheIRF.

Us Avalonian students are blessed with many teachers.

We have had many lessons...and continue to do so.

Many times...the teacher learns as much from students as the students learn from the teacher.

Be well The_IRF and know you are love.

celine

26th June 2010 00:18---#37
cccme

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Well, I can see this is going to be a lively thread.
Bill, some of the material and persons that have danced upon the PC I felt were suspect. AD comes to mind but the video was presented (by Kerry) and it was dealt with here on this forum and well, that was also a lively thread. You made no attempt to stop it. It was loud and noisey and people got plenty upset. I learned a whole lot about how I process information and I took that material apart because I needed to do that for my growth. I looked at it from many angles and many perspectives. In the end I made up my mind. I think that making snap judgements and sticking to them no matter what may be dangerous in these times. Everything is open for consideration. Everyone has beliefs that are not based on fact. AD I felt could have been much more damaging than what is being presented/discussed here. Deagle, I wonder about some of his information, some may be good but some of it I am highly doubtful of. Dan Burish, well after how all that went down a case could be made that some of his information was disinformation. I will not even discuss laura Knight Z. I do not know about the Thumben material I was not that interested in it. Just because you believe something is true or not true does not make it so.

But this is your forum and I do understand why you are protective of it. I do respect that.

This forum, for me, helps me think things through, go through information and find out if it is in fact, fact or fiction and helpful to me. No one can do that for me but me. I can and will not defend this information because I still do not know what I think/feel about it. But surely this information is not half as dangerous as the others types that have been presented and endorsed by PC.
Why the response from you, why so adamant? I wonder what this person/view triggers for you? Because I can clearly see that you clearly have a real issue with it. It is almost personal.


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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcom

Why the response from you, why so adamant? I wonder what this person/view triggers for you? Because I can clearly see that you clearly have a real issue with it. It is almost personal.

ya cccme exactly... for starters.

k bill... time to talk my friend.

ps and yes - earlier post... bout bill's protectiveness towards "his" forum. well, yes, i get that. but new question: is this really bill ryan's forum? just curious. cause i've been hanging here under the impression it's "ours."

am i wrong?

just askin


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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

lets see now, josie you have a party booked in a village hall and invite some folk along to it, someone at that party has drunk a little too much and is percieved as being disrespectfull towards the host.......what do you do? let them stay and cause more mayhem?
this forum is that same space, its a private space made by bill and therefore being dissrespectull towards him is a big no go. now i see from your conversation between the_IRF and you that you are 'friends' before coming to av2, so i can understand why you have posted as you have.........but the bottom line is this av2 is bills forum, and those that stand behind him share his vision.........that is us the members and mods alike

so with this in mind i bid you a lovely day..........and remember the key word here is respect
love m
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

"am i wrong?"

This is Bills Ryans forum.

You requested an invite to participate here. This is not an open forum where 'anything goes'. Bill and the Mod team ultimately decide what material gets to stay in view once its posted. We then try our best to review threads and see if its worthy of being here.
Any member or thread that we feel is not in the spirit of AV2 will be ask to leave and the said thread most likely closed.

There are plenty of 'anything goes' forums around. AV2 is not one of them.


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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Originally Posted by morguana
lets see now, josie you have a party booked in a village hall and invite some folk along to it, someone at that party has drunk a little too much and is percieved as being disrespectfull towards the host.......what do you do? let them stay and cause more mayhem?
this forum is that same space, its a private space made by bill and therefore being dissrespectull towards him is a big no go. now i see from your conversation between the_IRF and you that you are 'friends' before coming to av2, so i can understand why you have posted as you have.........but the bottom line is this av2 is bills forum, and those that stand behind him share his vision.........that is us the members and mods alike
so with this in mind i bid you a lovely day..........and remember the key word here is respect
love m



don't make assumptions my friend. you should know that. i knew less of the_irf than i knew of you until a week or so ago - which does say lots doesn't it.

cool. bottom line this is bill's forum. this thread is making that more than a little obvious.

you analogy about the village party confuses me though. i get that the host is bill. but who drank too much? the irf? really? so soon? my gosh he just got here! and where is the disrespect? isn't that a strong word to use? especially at a party that just got started? i see it more as someone slipping the dj a zeppelin cd in an attempt to liven up a set list that was leaning a bit too heavily towards top 40. the result of that, of course, could be seen as MAYHEM lol. but that's what parties are about!

but reading on: "this forum is ... a private space made by bill and therefore being disrespectful towards him is a big no go..."

hunh? private space? i believe this is a public space, "invitation" or not. but shoot - i could be wrong! i thought av2 was "man" enough to have room for lots of discussion- which is how the best parties run. the fact that one has to shout loudly over page's solos is part of the deal
why would one show up to then insist the music be turned down?

"the bottom line is this av2 is bill's forum?" ..."and those that (who) stand behind him share his vision.. members and mods alike?"

are you saying that "share his vision" means never disagree? excuse me if i'm wrong but it sure sounds like it. and, if so... wouldn't that be silly? my gosh how would we ever be exposed to somethin new, how would we learn? i too appreciate ryan's contribution but lord knows it's just one of many.

'preciate your wishes for my lovely day though i suspect you mean my day will be lovely once i agree to follow by the rules that have been set by av2. rules are made to be broken my friend lol.

and with that in mind i bid you a lovely day also... keeping in mind, of course, that the key word here is respect.

love,
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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

josie i am not going to continue to debate with you, you either like it here or you dont.

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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome

Originally Posted by morguana
josie i am not going to continue to debate with you, you either like it here or you dont.

mi love it here lol. party because the debate was so lively. but maybe that's gonna change idk... we will certainly see.

if you don't wanna continue to debate with me that's ok too. doesn't change anything for me



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Re: the_IRF - Irreverant, Reluctant perspectives on what the future holds are welcome


I will be short and clear here

Moderator decisions are not to be debated or discussed in the forums.

THREAD CLOSED
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ADDITIONAL EDIT FROM BILL : I'm going to sneak in here and have a final word.

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As far as I was concerned the debate was fine, but yes, this party-invitee was not behaving like the other party-goers. Yes, I absolutely felt something was wrong, and flagged it. I don't often do that.

It was sweet of Morguana to defer to me and say this was "my forum", but actually I don't see it like that. The only diktats I ever made on this forum were the banning of Kinsuemi2 (later reversed by the mods), and making the final executive call on the changing of host last week (which won't EVER be reversed!). That was all.

In all other issues, including Abraxasinas and the Thuban material, I made personal recommendations and stood back to support the mods in doing their job and making their judgments. I never even made the call to close the original forum. That was the mods decision, which they informed me about. It's very important for me that the mods run the forum, which is for the members. It's certainly not for me... I have a website already (and a video camera!) to air my views if I want to.

The mods have a duty of care, and I've always been very aware of that responsibility not to let the forum become a wild free-for-all (which is NOT the same as "Free Speech', a distinction that is that is often misunderstood). My personal strong view is that this definitely IS a private party (hence the invitation protocols), but there's a kind of morphic field growing of all the guests, and 'ownership' among all the party-goers is shared to a significant extent. It's one of those undefinable things as a group matures and friendships and agreements are naturally formed.

At the moment the mods are very closely aligned, more so than ever before, with the vision and values of the forum. We all communicate in different ways - naturally so, seeing as we have different personalities - but the core values are very tightly-knit and I support them all wholeheartedly in everything they do.

Love to all, Bill

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Allisiam - Posted Jul 1st 2010


"Condemnation without investigation
is the height of ignorance.

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(EDIT so, post can be read)

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Take a look in the mirror Bill, it never lies...

Look who is left with the heart of a PIG?

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SUSANakaTHE13THBRIDGE - Posted Apr 16th 2012


iT iS always interesting - what others see in 'the mirror'
since, it is always more about them, than it is about the person they think they are seeing
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44 is a master number
wish i could see that video - that is 3 up from this post (NOT, available in canada)

The Discovery of Susan Lynne Schwenger & Tony Bermanseder -The alignment of all the ancient & tribal calendars showing: The End of The Macha (9,360,000 days) & Pacha (360 days) Grand Cycle which ends December 16th, 2013 at sunset - and, The Start of The Pacha iNTi (9,360,000 Days) Grand Cycle of December 17th, 2013 at sunrise. Susan Lynne Schwenger was the first person to identify The Grand Cycle change in 1984, as The Last Full Moon in 2013- 17 DEC 2013, in alignment with The Six (6) Season Calendar aka The Ancient Year aka The Calendar Round aka The Thirteen(13) Moon Calendar aka The Six (6) Event Calendar aka The Eight (8) Event Calendar. The Aztec, Mayan, Maori, Aboriginal, First Nations, Metis & Native American Tribes also have cycles of 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 13, 18, 20, 52, 60, 180, 260, 360, 360+5, 360+1+5, 23,400, 26,000, 26,001, 52,000, 52,002, 144,000, 180,000, 1,872,000 & 9,360,000 Days, along with yearly Cycles. She was also the first to align The Celtic Calendar, The Metonic Calendar, The Ancient Egyptian Calendar, The Chinese 60-year Calendar Cycle, and, an assortment of other chinese calendars etc., The Bermanseder Bible Codes & The Bermanseder Pyramid Formula (which closes the 12 pointed star) can also be aligned to these calendars: http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&id=0265D780-C9C1-46C1-80A1-A15795198653&pageindex=83 THE MAIN CODE of THE DRESDEN CODEX THROUGH THE MAYAN SUPER NUMBER 1366560 has been cracked by Tony Bermanseder & Susan Lynne Schwenger -- which mathematically proves we live in a 12 level universe http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&id=716B3150-CCF7-487D-8EBA-D2AEB16801A0&fid=F3D0C39E-7270-4160-80DE-61A397C1A988

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Shiloh - Posted Feb 27th 2011

Some comments regarding Thuban made on the Camelot Forum
The Ruling Elite, Secret Societies, Cults

14 Feb 2011 16:16
SpaceCowboy

Re: How do you like the "Charles and Avalon"-Demon?

Your mind is five times faster than mine. Mine runs like a 1974 Orange Vega.


14 Feb 2011 15:58
Chakra

Re: How do you like the "Charles and Avalon"-Demon?

We know we have definitive proof! remember!
camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...22368&Itemid=147


14 Feb 2011 15:00
SpaceCowboy

Re: How do you like the "Charles and Avalon"-Demon?

Spit some names out because I'm clueless as to who is who.



14 Feb 2011 11:38
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Re: How do you like the "Charles and Avalon"-Demon?

What surprises me is WHY? do people on a forum talk to, or in anyway indulge a crazy person!
Why do they get caught up in a dialogue that is obviously just nonsense and drama?

Say your piece - if you want to - and move on!
The only way these people can do ANY damage is if people get involved in a conversation it in the first place!
In this case 'You' ignore it and it goooes away!

Just like the drug addict on the street that is harassing people for change - are you going to change them by telling them on a street corner NOT to ask for money for their addiction?
NOoooo. you walk away!
People need to just Walk away....segway for now one of my Favorite songs and the greatest piece of advise.



14 Feb 2011 11:23
Stargazer

Re: How do you like the "Charles and Avalon"-Demon?

Sam...Please PM me....I'd like to hear your views...Thanks SG



14 Feb 2011 10:17
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Re: How do you like the "Charles and Avalon"-Demon?

Stargazer wrote:
I remember another thread that gained a life of its own and tore the first Project Avalon forum apart...The Thuban Thread....
It sucked energy out of the forum and divided the entire membership...
Funny ole world ....Huh?


I don't mean to point fingers here but there are disinformation agents still present here trying to cause a split and I can see the initial stages of attempting to segregate people here on Camelot. Some people start off here acting as if they are with us but as time passes by, their true colors are beginning to show. This is an important warning I am giving you all to get you all to have a heads-up.

As I have stated before, I have gotten to the point where I am keenly aware of who is a disinformation agent and who is not.

Some things are best left discussed through private messages and not on the public forum because it is so obvious the strategies disinformation agents will employ in trying to shift blame away from them.

The Ruling Elite, Secret Societies, Cults

 

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It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:17 am
Mp3, Mar 15 2010, 10:26 PM

As the fan was turning browner by the hour on Avalon, Before this gorilla was hauled off to the mists, I talked to Bill about how this grinding conflict on the forum was being handled.

He insisted it was Abraxas that was the problem. I insisted it was how the staff was handling it.

It might be different if Abraxas was here posting, but at least we can see that it had nothing to do with the subject matter, because nobody has been interested enough to even open a thread with a question or comment.

It would all have died down as people came to their own conclusions as to what they were looking at, instead of having a few nitwits ramming their viewpoint down everybody elses throats


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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:18 am
Anchor, Mar 15 2010, 10:29 PM

I think the discord that developed was used, ignited and fanned somehow by people who would prefer not to see people like the members of this forum talking about things that are likely to progress our states of becoming.


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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:19 am
Jenny, Mar 15 2010, 10:32 PM

It Always is HOW we handle any given situation.

It never is the situation on it's own that is to be blamed. The situation just IS.
All the different opinions and emotions cause a conflict of ego's.

Don't you think so MP3?


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It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:20 am
metaw3, Mar 16 2010, 12:25 AM

When I opened the Thuban thread the first time, I read one or two paragraphs of the first post and decided it was not for me, then forgot about it.
Meanwhile I stumbled upon a post from GaiaLove in a MANCHILD thread saying that negativity would soon be a thing of the past at Avalon. I had no idea who GaiaLove was. That was the first time I was seeing a post of his, but when I saw that he was admin I knew it he had to be serious about it. I decided to PM him, something I do rarely. I said: "I don't know how you will manage to get rid of negativity. I know however that it's better to have smart negative people frequenting, say mudra, and seeing how she has no problem with doom and gloom. They might calm down and you will have one smart member on your team. Better that than allowing only positive people who might not be that smart and who have nothing to gain from frequenting other positive people with the same views, never confronting each other." Something like that. Never got a reply.

Then I saw GaiaLove starting a thread about the Thuban material. It was clear that he didn't care about the subject. He just wanted to attack the guy under false pretenses. Basic political crusade using the 'common good' as a cover. But an admin doing it? It felt so wrong to me. Come on man, you're the admin. If you don't like the guy, ban him and take the heat, but don't bother people pretending that it's about Thuban. It is so obvious that you want to use the will of the people to get rid of a guy you don't like for your own reasons, not the ones you claim.

So I went back to the Thuban thread to see what was that about. Then I had a real good laugh when I saw how the guy was talking. He was talking like he was very interested in the questions people asked, but in such a way that the people never really get what they want. They feel that they have someone incredibly smart interested in their own little questions, so it feels empowering, but they just can't feel satisfied with any answer they get and they just end up wanting more. That's what I thought was so funny and clever because inevitably they will end up facing themselves in the mirror he was giving them.

Then there was Celine who was just obnoxious but I didn't care, she was not an admin. I only care about these people if there is a possible misuse of power. Until I found out that she was married to GaiaLove. That's when I knew the forum was compromised.


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It was never about the Thuban materials


SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:20 am
Adv, Mar 16 2010, 12:30 AM

QUOTE (Jenny @ Mar 15 2010, 10:32 PM)
It Always is HOW we handle any given situation.

Them's wise words.
It's funny, I think this is in the Fallout thread, but I said, I enjoyed it, and Paul replied right back saying he couldn't be bothered by it.
We both shrugged.
Paul went ahead and started this forum specially to discuss it.
That's how it should be, Let adults be adults.
MP and Anchor,
I would love to read your version of the understanding of the thread.
Like any omnidimensional problem, the information had a lot of different angles to it.

edit to add :
Quote from metaw3 :
They feel that they have someone incredibly smart interested in their own little questions, so it feels empowering, but they just can't feel satisfied with any answer they get and they just end up wanting more. That's what I thought was so funny and clever because inevitably they will end up facing themselves in the mirror he was giving them.

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It was never about the Thuban materials


SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:20 am
k626, Mar 16 2010, 01:43 AM

QUOTE (Anchor @ Mar 15 2010, 10:29 PM)
I think the discord that developed was used, ignited and fanned somehow by people who would prefer not to see people like the members of this forum talking about things that are likely to progress our states of becoming.

Spot on Anchor my dear.
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It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:21 am
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QUOTE (Adv @ Mar 16 2010, 12:30 AM)

MP and Anchor,
I would love to read your version of the understanding of the thread.
Like any omnidimensional problem, the information had a lot of different angles to it.


That's a pretty tough question, but one I feel it appropriate to try to answer. Not tonight though. Brain is running on half charge by now.

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It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:21 am
Chamber, Mar 16 2010, 02:29 AM
I'm quite interested as well on personal synopsis of the Thuban thing.
I had the same view as metaw3 stated. When I saw the thread I got about 3 paragraphs in before I moved on. The whole thing seemed so wordy and convoluted it killed any interest for me.
Had I known it was going to be such a powder keg I would have followed it. Now I here descriptions like "Dragon sex cult" and my ears perk up.
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It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:22 am
Anchor, Mar 16 2010, 03:24 AM

QUOTE (MP3 @ Mar 16 2010, 01:52 AM)
QUOTE (Adv @ Mar 16 2010, 12:30 AM)
MP and Anchor,
I would love to read your version of the understanding of the thread.
Like any omnidimensional problem, the information had a lot of different angles to it.

That's a pretty tough question, but one I feel it appropriate to try to answer. Not tonight though. Brain is running on half charge by now.

Same here. I need to rest from all this before I do more.

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It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:22 am
Iysun777, Mar 16 2010, 04:45 AM
QUOTE (Chamber @ Mar 16 2010, 02:29 AM)
I'm quite interested as well on personal synopsis of the Thuban thing.

My perspective on the whole thuban ordeal is that it all got wayyyy out of hand. To many people were taking the information to seriously, especially those that took offense to it.
It was obviously not meant to be taken literally as the dragon symbolism mixed with the writers content gives the hint away to the symbologist. There was some pretty cool information hidden behind macabre imagery and fear... Gargoyes to hide the treasure as they say!
But that being said I never took a lot from it that I never knew before hand... meaning that the information was a lot of rehashed or remixed stuff told in a different fashion... but I guess in one sense that is all information ever is.

The math was way beyond me, and even if it wasn't many of the equations would be unprovable without some high tech equipment or intersteller space travelling.
Whatever the case it should not have been removed, I didn't realize that it was Celine that was the one who made the complaint! I should have guessed though as she makes a false accusation or outlook nearly every post she writes, she probably means well but like many stuck in their mind and ego she is narcissistic to the max, the forum is her world and her problems and her opinions only.
A little bit of conflict of interest there or what? The Admin being her husband? Nasty stuff to falsely accuse people of sexual misconduct, although the accuser probably believes it herself.


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It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:23 am
mkspllmn, Mar 16 2010, 05:59 AM
Nasty stuff to falsely accuse people of sexual misconduct, although the accuser probably believes it herself.

Maybe she was talking about her husband.
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It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:24 am
hippihillbobbie, Mar 16 2010, 11:47 AM

Hey ya'll--
Well ..... as one of the members of the Thuban sex dragon cult, i'm gonna venture an opinion here. Though i TOTALLY understand why others of you who "made it through" the entire Thuban thread would feel the need for a break from it for awhile. time....to process and assimilate, before proclamating. since i was never in any official capacity to "safeguard the integrity of the PA forum," as the mods & admins. are, i was able--for the most part--to read the ongoing and ever-accelerating criticism of the Thuban material and of Abraxas personally (and--by implication as well as direct accusation--of those of us who were sincerely interested in the material) WITHOUT a lot of personal emotion attached. I understood, i suppose, that those who were the main proponents of the negativity ....... the ones who made it their "mission" to save themselves, the forum, and the rest of us (on both sides) from this grave danger which imperiled our soul, our lives, civilization as we know it, and the future of the planet (WHEW! what a LOAD to have to CARRY!) ..... i understood that they really couldn't help feeling/looking-at-it that way, as they are still caught in the fundamentalist mindset where black is black and white is white, evil and good are polar opposites, and the mission of the "good guys" is to defeat this evil wherever they espy it. they need to save us from the lies & deceptions of the devil, and they fail to trust the God-in-Us to discern what is good-for-us at this time in our soul progression. they know best. and they love us enough to beat us over the head in a futile effort to prove their world-view/spiritual perspective is the only True and Right Way for spiritual pilgrims journeying back to Source. There is arrogance here, of course, but--as i EVENTUALLY came to realize--also much love.

Someone here (think it was here) said he/she had visited Gaia Love/Celine's website before it was "pulled down," and commented how "surprised" we all would be to discover they were actually "dragons in disguise!" (which--in Thuban--is a good thing). And indeed, i remember being surprised when--toward the end of the Thuban thread, right before it was pulled--Abraxas himself waxed eloquent for awhile about the virtues of Celine and Gaia Love in that they "played their role" so well, in the profound cosmic drama which the Thuban material and the polarized reactions it produced represented (in his view.) His sincere admiration of and gratitude to Richard & Celine was very pronounced, and i wouldn't be surprised (though i can't remember for sure) if he NAMED them both as fellow-dragons right then & there! (someone should check that out.) and i can remember how "lifted up" i ended up feeling after having read and assimilated the meaning of these final posts. Abraxas was saying in no uncertain terms that WE ARE ONE and that the "apparent" struggle we were having on the PA forum was a reflection of the "apparent" struggles going on in the world around us where it is so tempting to point fingers at each other, to name each other "good guys" and "bad guys," and to be driven by the FALSE NEED to win/be right/save everyone from their sin and/or ignorance. and then, of course, this wider struggle (war of archetypes) is mirrored in the wars between the various factions of the PTB which is mirrored in the wars between ET's in our universe, which is then most likely mirrored in the struggle/wars/polarity existing in the COSMOS! but in the end, it need not concern us, because in the end, WE ARE ALL ONE, in the NOW which is eternal. we are ALL good guys, shards of the One Good God, if we can but see through the illusion and remember.

Having said that, i need only to add that, despite my profound feelings of awe and amazement as the Thuban thread drew to a close ...... prompted not only by the intellectual/spiritual stimulation the material produced, but also & maybe more importantly by the nature of the emotional/spiritual interaction between the individuals on the thread, as we interacted with abraxas and with each other. I FELT, by the end, that we had just BEEN THRU A WAR, only to discover that there really was no need to fight since we actually were all on the same side to begin with and after all, but we were looking 'through a glass darkly," and could not see the Reality of our Oneness. So then i felt EXULTANT, LIFTED-UP as on the Wings of an Eagle, so in love with God the Creator and grateful to Jesus for having lead me to this place at this time to participate in the Grand Play which brought us all closer to recognizing our True Selves as Divine and Unseparated ..... as The One in the Many.

And then the thread was closed, and then i grieved. And then life went on and our Beautiful Mother-Father God brought us all here, to continue the journey, knowing already that we have already "arrived" at the end of it where we are joined together in the Cosmic Love-Fest which exists NOW and FOREVER!

your sister, in love and gratitude,
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It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:24 am
Blacklight43, Mar 16 2010, 09:15 PM

After having read most of the material, aside from all the math stuff and physics, I concluded that most of it related almost parralel to the Wingmakers material. I really didn't find anything new to be had there.
I did however, find the soap opera that it triggered, interesting to say the least.
I'm glad to see such cool heads here.
I guess when you have spent so many years searching for the Truth it is like chasing your tail, round and round in circles.
In searching for those answers to life and dipping into the "Field of Consciousness" it seems that's where it all comes from anyway. So why do we even bother with exploring further than our own inner selves?
Sorry, I was just thinking out loud here. Seems like this is a friendly place to do it, without fear (of being misted)
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It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:25 am
Chamber, Mar 16 2010, 11:09 PM
QUOTE (Blacklight43 @ Mar 16 2010, 02:15 PM)
I guess when you have spent so many years searching for the Truth it is like chasing your tail, round and round in circles.

Isn't that the truth...
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It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:25 am
malletzky, Mar 17 2010, 06:31 PM

If I may add my humble opinion about the thuban material...
There was a thread on avalon where someone asked "us", the one who might've "understand" a bit of that material, to explain what we really got from it.
Actually, I just logged in back to avalon as I wanted to find my reply and post it here. Imagine...this post is gone...deleted...it's not any more in the archives...hmmm. Anyway, I will try to repeat that here again:
I actually never quite understood the high maths and physics there. And from the rest...well say, I might have got some 5% ? Maybe less. But...
I was actually searching for the spiritual part inside. I somehow knew it is there and I had to find it. I was actually looking to find any apropriate answers about who we are, why are we here as we are, what's our purpose. This was also the main goal why I joined avalon from the begining.
It was the selfrealization that I found, and I'm so happy now that I followed the thuban material from it's begining.
I don't claim to know all the answers, but I'm begining to grasp the concept.
In my next post, I will paste a part of the e-mail correspondence with MP3 about the thuban material and how I saw the enfolding of it on the forum.

(MP3, it is only what I wrote to you, without any "private details" of that conversation, nothing to worry here mate).
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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:26 am
malletzky, Mar 17 2010, 06:40 PM


So, here's a small part o that conversation...filtered...and sent to MP3 on 22.02.2010.


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Many fail to contact their hearts in order to see. Highly polarised with the good and the bad, scared to death and therefore proclaiming theirself to be the lightholder, lightwarriors, lovesharing beings, many try to supress the fears they're facing each and every day. The logical consequences are that they're unfortunately not ready to accept that yes, there could be (or is) more to the story.

It takes only one person to step forward and declare war...and there you have many impersonators. Yeah, beat the dragon, the dragon is evil.

But you described it well and hit the nail properly with your last post, really.

I wrote an e-mail to (...) yesterday and told her, among other, that I feel many new energies comming straight to us, some of these energies already being here, that need to be ballanced.
Now, I've come to the point where I realised that I need to completely balance my self first. Start within and spread outside...

Oh, and I was positively 'amazed' to read that you actually knew about 'thuban' before the 'thuban' material was ever presented on the forum (only another label, of course, but I understand the way you were able to recognise the existence).

For me, the 'thuban' material content many hidden 'thruts'. I read...and I somehow understand. Not the technical part...not the part about becomming some 'evil draconian'...but the spiritual part.
And these spiritual energies are so known...so known.

Anyway, I'm glad that you know what's all about. And I hope you'll be able to give me some informations about 'meeting the dragon', as you described on your post.

(...)

Before I end this e-mail, I will share a dream with you.

(...)


My dream:

Yesterday, after I made the decision about the forum, I asked for a guidance and an explanation about what's going on, about that decision, about 'thuban'...and I had an unusual dream this morning.

I was sitting with a friend on the edge of a desert, we drunk limonade in a small desert bar. A dusty road ahead of us would brought us to a distant 'city', a 'school' beside us and one garage behind us.
No cars, no busses, nothing except us and some other, few people, sitting there barefoot. We discussed the given oportunity to get back to 'school', but also measured our chances to reach the city, barefoot on that dusty road. In my dream, I had this feeling that I've already dreamed of this school, of this situation, and I knew that in the past, I've decided to 'do the walk' and that I tried to reach to the city. I even had a 'dream in my dream' situation where I walked on that road and I failed in my mission. I never reached to the city.

My friend decided to go back to 'school', but I realised that I don't need and have to go back there, as I've been there once and graduated already. The only open task for me was to reach the city.
So I told my friend that he should better go to that school, but I will stay where I am and see what I will do next. We splitted, and I suddenly went in the garage and saw that there actually was a car inside, but very, very dirty. You couldn't even recognise the colours, so dirty it was. It looked like that many tried to use that car to reach to the city, but the fact that the car was still in the garage made me thinking that actually no one ever succeed, as the car wouldn't be here.

So I started to scrub the dirty dwon as I wanted to see the colour, when, all of the sudden, I had an 'aha moment'! Wait I said...I don't even have to go phisically to that city, I'm I nuts? We DO HAVE INTERNET today, so I will send my self packed as an e-mail and don't have to walk that road again.

What an idea that was. I knew that I can convert myself to a pure energy and send myself anywhere I wanted...

My dream ended there...but I know the meaning . I'm almost there...I'm almost there where I really belong. I don't have to learn anything else in any 'schools' anymore.
It's all inside of me, and I only need to scrub some dust from the surface of what I already see and feel.




This is it...I hope you can get some clearer picture of how I "saw" the thuban material.

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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:27 am
Carmen, Mar 17 2010, 08:39 PM


Hi to all the posters on this thread. I really like the sense of enquiry here, of getting (or attempting to) to the essense of things. I to, in my spiritual quest reserve the right to explore anything and everything, without any dualistic judgements from others. Life/creation is not black/white, God/Devil.All are aspects of the whole. Without the exploration/enquiry of All, truth is not evident.

Love and Light

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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:27 am
mp3, Mar 17 2010, 11:44 PM


QUOTE (malletzky @ Mar 17 2010, 02:31 PM)


In my next post, I will paste a part of the e-mail correspondence with MP3 about the thuban material and how I saw the enfolding of it on the forum.

(MP3, it is only what I wrote to you, without any "private details" of that conversation, nothing to worry here mate).

No worries here, buddy.


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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:27 am
Adv, Mar 18 2010, 01:05 AM

Malletzky,


I whole heartedly agree with your statements in about light XXX people.

I'm trying to understand the symbology in your dream. I don't know if the edited part ( for the right reasons) had more context to the dream.

Here's what I got out of it ...

As a beings we are already pure and enlightened. There is nothing else to know or learn. As humans our conditioning , karmic dust etc masks that enlightenment. The degrees of masking is different for different people.

Once you know and realize that , there is no need to go anywhere or do anything else. It's the different degrees of realization that continues the game of existence.


Am I remotely close ?


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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:28 am
Devakas, Mar 18 2010, 04:37 AM

I was one heavy listener of the Thuban jazz, and when I was able to catch up through all those 50+ pages, the doubts started to clear up in my head. At that time the Thuban drama reached the peak. At first it was so fascinating never heard, mastery done improvisation. The logic of archetypes makes sense for me. I am glad and thankful I had the chance to hear his improvisation as food for thought and it will stay with me for long in my deep thoughts.

Sometimes it was hard to agree with the data when I saw the Abrax belief in biological evolution as starting with primitive cells and evolving the mirroring. Does it mean the Darwin theory is referenced in dragonhood database? Next I was hoping to see a nicer place for Vedas wisdom in the overall scenario, but Abrax did not want to go there and limited the flow to only Bible.

In my opinion it was great read and I wish Abrax to feel well, be good and "enjoy the ride"

I'm just putting my 2 cents in.

with much respect to all you in this mist, to Abrax and with true avalonian love,
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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:29 am
k626, Mar 18 2010, 11:05 AM



For me the material wasn't as important as the phenomena...Intersting times...


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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:29 am
Rareheart, Mar 18 2010, 08:05 PM

QUOTE
I never took a lot from it that I never knew before hand... meaning that the information was a lot of rehashed or remixed stuff told in a different fashion... but I guess in one sense that is all information ever is.

The message behind the political train wreck is important.
None of it can possibly make complete logical "sense" because the subject matter itself defies description...and yes, it mirrors our internal being perfectly.

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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:30 am
truthseeker, Mar 18 2010, 10:08 PM


Hi Folks,

I want to present my take on the Abraxas-Thuban saga over the next several posts on this forum thread. This is a bit of a cheat really, because I am copying and pasting, and then editing slightly, some posts that I recently wrote at Avalon, regarding the Abraxas witch hunt, so I apologise to those of you who have read this stuff before. However, I think their are now others here in the 'Mist' who may not have read my last few Avalon posts. So this copy and paste of my earlier stuff is really for you. Hope it helps in your understanding of what occurred at Avalon.

The following is what I wrote on the Thuban Q & A thread back on 23rd February 2010: -

Hi there everybody,

I had hoped to be asking Abraxas some more questions by now, or at least elaborations on my earlier questions (see previous post, written on 27th January). However, it looks as if this will have to wait for a bit.

It appears that this thread has once again fallen into a polarity of views (those for and against this thread and its author), as it did back in January. However, this time, with the aid of one particularly strong minded and eloquent poster, the polarization now seems even more extreme.

In my last post on this thread, I finished with the following, which seems very pertinent, again, to the conflict and opposition that has become so evident, once more, here at Avalon: -

Quote from my January 27th Post

It seems to be difficult for many here at Avalon, and elsewhere within the alternative and conspiratorial communities, to grasp that science and spirit are one, and do not need to be continuously at odds with each other. However, it is just such a polarity between fixed beliefs and opinions that has become so evident within this and so many other threads here at Avalon. There are many diverse opinions and beliefs held here by the contributors to this forum, just as there are out there in the real world. We seem to have a need to find certainty within the scientific, philosophical, political, religious and spiritual frameworks that we come to adopt during the varying phases of our individual life-cycles. This is both natural and human. However, it becomes extremely hard for us to even begin to let go of a given perspective on truth and reality that has seemingly proven itself to us. We thus hang on to the old perspective and resist any new approaches for far longer than we need to.

Abraxas, you have clearly unsettled quite a few contributors here with your presentation from the Thuban Council combined with your own scientific understandings. Hence the defensiveness and hostility you have received here from many at Avalon. We all feel very uncomfortable when yet another perspective arrives to challenge the one we are currently adopting. We often then become defensive of our own presently adopted set of opinions and beliefs and hostile toward the new perspective being presented to us.

Personally, I take your message (and anybody else�s) at face value and have no reason to doubt that you truly believe this information is coming directly from the Thuban Council. Who am I to judge? I merely weigh what you say up against other things that I have learned, and think I know, and then try to use my discernment and discretion. Of course, I rarely, if ever, have a final answer!

I certainly do not feel that you are either a fraud or a disinformation agent, as some seem to believe. I sense that you are presenting your own wisdom as experienced and received. It is, of course, possible that some of this information has been distorted by either your own personality or by the Thuban Council itself. Indeed, the latter could have its own agenda, unbeknownst to you or anyone else. This is clearly what many here at Avalon seem to suspect. However, the same can be said for any other transmitted or channeled source, including that of Ashayana Deanne, which many here seem to hold in, what I believe to be, an unreasonably high regard. I fail to understand why folk are so willing to accept her work as pure and untainted and yet believe your own transmissions are so tainted. I guess it is all a matter of belief and opinion in the end? That is until such time as any one particular approach can be clearly shown to be true or false.

Others here might think you are simply deluded. However, such could equally be said of most of the personalities presented both at Camelot and Avalon. Whilst that might be the case with a few of the whistle blowers and witnesses interviewed by Kerry and Bill, in my humble opinion, I do not feel this is the case with either yourself or many others.

In addition to the above, I do not really buy into this idea that Abraxas and his ilk (the Thuban Council) are some kind of evil reptilian or demonic entities. However, even if Abraxas is either or both of these, or the �Devil� himself, I would still be asking him questions about his perspective on humanity and the reality in which we live. By asking him questions, I am not necessarily accepting all that he and his Thuban Council state to be true. Indeed, though there is much wisdom here, in my view, I still have lots of questions about the material he has presented here and am far from convinced that what he presents is the whole truth of things. But then, as already stated, I extend a similar view, to a greater or lesser degree, to virtually every other perspective and framework I have ever heard presented, whether here at Avalon, at Camelot or elsewhere. The suggestion that I and others are mesmerized by Abraxas as he strokes our individual ego�s, simply because we engage in constructive dialogue with him, is to my mind rather melodramatic. Whether he is truly a dragon or not, I do not know? However, to my mind, whatever else he is, or indeed any of us are, he is most certainly a fellow human being with all the usual imperfections that such entails. I am sure Abraxas himself would acknowledge this. As for any other human being, I do feel their is an onus on us to treat him with respect, whether we actually agree with him or not.

As a serious student of astrology, I can not help but wonder if this polarization and conflict, as expressed on this thread, is not yet another manifestation of the ongoing Saturn-Uranus opposition. This began in 2008 and will finally come to an end later this year (2010), when these two planets make their last two exact oppositions to each other in April (Virgo-Pisces polarity) and July (Libra-Aries polarity) respectively. This clear polarization of ideas and perspectives on this Thuban thread is, to my mind, but one expression of this conflict that has or is being expressed here in this microcosm of the Avalon Forum. Others include the St. Clair-Camelot, Burisch-Camelot, Greer-Camelot, High-Camelot & Ryan-Cassidy (re. Kinsumei and the Heather material) conflicts. I also see comparable microcosmic conflicts and polarizations in my own life; in my place of work; with some particularly difficult neighbours of ours; and in relationships with certain member of my wider family. It is also clear that this same conflict and polarization is occurring in the wider world of politics (e.g. right wing-left wing and moderate-extremist conflicts), religion (e.g. Muslim-Zionist conflict) and science (e.g. main stream science-alternative science conflict) as well.

It would be nice to see some resolution too all this conflict, personal and collective, in the near future. Perhaps this will begin to occur this summer when structured and disciplined Saturn (in Libra) and unpredictable and changeable Uranus (in Aries) oppose each other for the last time in July-August of this year. At that time both of these planets also form an approximate 90� angle (a square aspect) to deeply transformative Pluto (in Capricorn). Expansive and escalating Jupiter also joins the fray when it conjoins with Uranus in Aries at that time (June-August). Even the assertive warrior, Mars, and harmonious peace-maker, Venus, join the scene for a short while in late July (Mars) to early August (Mars and Venus) as they both conjoin with Saturn in Libra, in its opposition to the Arien Uranus-Jupiter conjunction. With Pluto at the apex of this astrological configuration (known as a �T-Square�) it is likely going to be a key player in this up and coming astrological scenario. When the Moon opposes Pluto from Cancer on 6th/7th August 2010, we may then begin to see some kind of breaking point for this volatile configuration (with the Moon in Cancer it becomes what astrologers call a �Cardinal Grand Cross�). The Moon, when applied to the collective of humanity, represents the common people in conflict with, and in opposition to, the �Powers That Be� (PTB), who are best represented in this configuration by the Libran Saturn (the status quo) and the Capricornian Pluto (the secretive power elite behind the governments of our world) as they square each other (was exact on 15th November 2009 and on 31st January 2010 and will finally do so again on 21st August 2010). The Arien Jupiter-Uranus conjunction has the feel of a massive (Jupiter) unpredictable (Uranus), and potentially destructive, revolution about it, something that could hurt both the common people and the PTB. Mars with Saturn suggests draconian (no offence meant, Abraxas) actions coming from the PTB (such as martial law), though Venus� presence there too might help appease such actions somewhat.

So the conflicts here on this thread, at Avalon in general and in the wider world, do seem to be reflecting the astrological dynamics of our time. However, whether such conflicts and polarizations are resolved or not, here and elsewhere, will ultimately depend on our individual and collective levels of consciousness. So, this year, 2010, does seem to be offering us an opportunity to begin to make some changes for the better. What better place to start than from both within ourselves as individuals and as a small group of people who meet here in cyberspace on this Avalon forum.

So now would be a great time to stop the irrational, and to my mind baseless, accusations of lies, delusions or evil intentions that have so clearly been expressed, toward Abraxas, by so many of you on this fascinating thread. I think many of you need to take a closer look at yourselves before pointing fingers at others. Having said that, I would also like to thank you all (those so vehemently opposed to Abraxas) for their contributions. It would seem that this polarization of thought and the conflict it has created is part of a process that we all need to work through at this time. So thank you all for helping bring this entire dynamic to the full attention of myself and others who read this thread.

In my own case, you are truly a reflection of my own shadow self; my self-denials and my projections.

As within, so without! As below, so above!

Best Wishes

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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:30 am
Truthseeker, Mar 18 2010, 10:12 PM

My next post relting to the Thuban material was written on 28th February, just after the thread had been closed. I then wrote the following: -

Dear all,

I feel sad, disappointed and angry at the decision to close Abraxas� Thuban Question & Answer thread. So, yes, I am a deeply flawed emotional human being, just like those of you who chose to attack that thread with such intense and unforgiving vehemence. Personally, I found the thread informative and inspiring at times and confusing and incomprehensible at others. However, to my mind, their was absolutely no justification in closing the thread down. Bill Ryan and any moderators who supported that decision have really let both themselves and the rest of us at Avalon down.

Unlike some of you �would be� dragon slayers, I saw no evil or darkness there, certainly not from Abraxas anyway. However, many of you were clearly trying to bait Abraxas into pointless conflict. You each presented your own �truth� and �knowing�, as if it were somehow of greater validity than the Thuban perspective expressed by Abraxas. How arrogant is that? Some of you seem to think you have better �proofs� for your own version of truth than does Abraxas. However, I have seen very little, if any, undeniable and tangible proof for any given perspective presented at Avalon.

In fact to the vast majority of humanity pretty well everything that we here discuss on the Avalon forum would be deemed as either delusion, make believe or plane old quackery. Thus we are all here at Avalon part of a minority who believe that there is more to reality than the mainstream world is currently able to accept. That external majority mocks and laughs at the likes of us, who believe in such diverse things as spirits, angels, aliens, weird conspiracies, other realities and meaningful coincidences. Many think us insane, mad or deluded. Others consider us hoaxers and charlatans. Still others see us as fantasists and dreamers. In their eyes we are setting ourselves up for debunking and ridicule.

So we at Avalon are a minority in this mad and crazy world. However, within Avalon we see diverse perspectives on truth and reality, many of which contradict each other. At one extreme we have the die hard conspiracy theorists that believe a secret elite or cabal (whether human, alien or both) is controlling us. At the other we have the Love and Light faction who tell us we must only focus on positivity and love. And then we have just about everything in between. However, as I stated in my last post on the Thuban thread (see http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.ph...postcount=1271), we here at Avalon are but one example of a dynamic microcosm that reflects the equally dynamic macrocosm of the wider world around us. So, as we see conflict, opposition and polarity in the wider world, so it is here mirrored in the microcosm of the Avalon cyber community. Just as we see majority and minority views in the wider world we see the same processes at work here at Avalon. Thus we here seem to have a majority of posters on this thread who oppose the Thuban thread (around 66%) and a minority that support the thread (around 33%). This is then presented by the majority as some kind of �proof� that they are right and the rest of us are wrong. Since when has a majority perspective been representative of the truth? If that is the case, what are we doing here at Avalon? All our views are minority views. The majority views are held by Catholic and fundamentalist Christians; traditionalist and fundamentalist Muslims; materialistic scientists and rationalist academics; capitalistic economists and politicians. So are they closer to the truth, or are we, the minority, closer to the truth?

I say this to all you �would be� dragon slayers. Your emotive and irrational attack upon Abraxas (at times clearly hostile whilst at others more cryptic and subtle) only served to demonstrate your own fear of that which you do not know or understand. How very human of you all! Now we even have Bill Ryan shouting �he�s delusional�. I thought he was meant to be the beacon of reason and rationality within the Camelot Founders Duo? Is he an expert in mental health? Even if he were, is such psychiatric diagnosis of any value? As a disillusioned Mental Health Nurse myself, I think not? Modern psychiatric diagnosis is one of the biggest deceptions going. It is largely rooted in a reductionist medical model backed by the pharmaceutical industry. Kerry Cassidy has most certainly shown the greater wisdom in the current situation by suggesting that the Thuban thread not be closed. Ryan verses Cassidy! It�s that polarity thing again, me thinks.

So, I truly feel the varied claims made by a significant number of posters on the Thuban thread were rooted in an emotional reaction to something that seemed just too alien and �out of the box� for them. Claims of insult and intimidation from Abraxas were at best overstated, and at worst plane wrong. When he was a little sharp with certain posters, it was only after they had either been baiting or trying to undermine him in a previous post. Personally, I think he did extremely well to remain as unflustered as he did.

Then we have those that tell us that the Ashayana Deane material is far superior to that of Abraxas. At least Abraxas is basing the Thuban perspective on some known and verifiable scientific theory. Deane�s material has no such basis as far as I can see and yet it is just as convoluted, if not more so, in its terminology. Then we have the fundamentalist Christian contingent who tell us that Abraxas� understanding of biblical texts is that of the devil himself, or at least one of his minions, and is but a corruption of the true teachings of Christ, the apostles and the prophets. Who are we to believe?

I had so many more questions that I wanted to ask Abraxas. Unlike many here it takes me time to formulate that which I wish to ask. Like many here I did not understand the physics and math formulas and equations at all. Of those parts of Abraxas� writings I did understand, I certainly did not agree with everything I was reading. Hence my need to ask many more questions and elaborations upon some of those already asked (see http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.ph...&postcount=939).

Sadly, now it seems I have lost the opportunity to pose further questions to Abraxas on this forum, though I may still try to contact him personally.

Finally, Bill (and/or moderators), please rethink your decision and invite Abraxas back to continue his thread. Whether he would come back after the way he has been treated, I do not know. However, give it a go.

Best Wishes,

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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:31 am
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Great Post Truthseeker.


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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:31 am
Truthseeker, Mar 18 2010, 10:17 PM

Then on 7th March 2010, after closure of the Thuban social group and the banning of Abraxas, I wrote the following: -

Well hello Avalon,

As one of the folks that had joined Abraxas� social group, I find myself not only saddened and angered by this course of events, but deeply disturbed about what seems to be occurring here at Avalon. However, I am not really that surprised by what has occurred, as it has been building up for sometime now. This seems to be the latest in a series of events carried out by a certain small, but very vocal, group of Avalon members and moderators that appear to have been out for Abraxas from the time (or soon after) he first posted here at Avalon. This small group appear to have taken offense at some aspect or other of Abraxas� Thuban perspective and presentation. They have now thrown the sexually offensive card at Abraxas and used that as justification to both ban him and close all threads associated with him, including the social group.

Additionally, beyond the relatively small offended group, there are many that simply do not feel the Abraxas material resonates with them. They have simply, and quite rightly for themselves, kept away from the Thuban material, only now being drawn into it by the dispute that has been occurring between those that find value in Abraxas� material, but not necessarily accepting it all, and those that clearly feel offended or threatened by the material (i.e. the small group just mentioned).

This small but persistent group seem to have had very little in common with one another, other than their desire to hijack Abraxas� thread by baiting, attacking and trying undermine everything presented. None of this group, as far as I have seen, presented their arguments in a constructively critical manner. It was all emotive, irrational finger-pointing because something in Abraxas� material offended their sensibilities. This group are only unified in their dislike of Abraxas and his material and the fact that it challenges their cherished and sincerely held beliefs and opinions. For some he seemed to represent the fundamentalist Christian interpretation of the Devil or Satan, or at least one of his demonic minions. They were horrified at his use of both canonical and non canonical (not in the present day bible; e.g. The Gospel of Thomas) biblical passages, which they felt was blasphemous, considering who they believe him to be. For others he was a literal dragon, lizard or serpent (a literal negative reptilian ET, in human guise) out to delude us all so his kind can take over our planet and species. Still others were offended by his scientific writings, suggesting they were too incomprehensible and complicated. They maintained that this was part of Abraxas� ruse to confuse any who might follow him. �Blind them with science, and they will believe anything� some of the opposition to Abraxas might cry.

What none of these offended individuals could seem to see was that their very attack on Abraxas� and his material was but a projection of their own shadow material on to another (i.e. Abraxas). All that dark stuff that resides in each of us only remains so because we fail to shine the light of consciousness upon it. It is far easier to project outward and pretend that our inner demons are literal physical demons that take the form of Satan, the devil, dragons, serpents, lizards or reptilian ET�s. Yes, if we believe this strongly enough, these beings as astral or paraphysical (part astral and part physical) entities or in the guise of literal physical humans (New World Order) or ET�s (cold-blooded reptilians), will indeed attack and consume us or make us their slaves. This is precisely why we need to become both at one with and conscious of our own inner dragon and/or demons.

All this stuff about reptilian ET�s enslaving and consuming us is, at least in part, a metaphor for each of us being slaves to and consumed by our fear of the unknown darkness � the dragon or demons � within us. (Yes they can certainly manifest physically, as demons or ET�s, if such energies remain unconscious within us). Likewise, the mythology of dragon slaying by heroes such as St. George and St. Michael is, again at least in part, a metaphor for the rise of patriarchy and the subordination of women by the male dominator societies that have come to the fore over the last several thousand years. The dragon and the serpent represent the strong, powerful, sensuous and, dare I say it, sexual, feminine archetype that the angry, judgmental and fearful masculine archetype has tried to conquer and master. The ancient feminine power is now rising again. One form of this rising feminine power is the return of the dragon and the serpent. It is also represented by our planet, Gaia, as she begins to express her anger (earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, extremes of weather, etc.) at the damage that has been done to her by humanity and its patriarchal leadership.

Unfortunately, one member of either the smaller offended group or the larger disinterested group (not sure which, at this stage) is none other than one of the two co-founders of Camelot-Avalon, Bill Ryan. His opinion seems to carry a lot of weight here at Avalon at the moment. Much more so than his now ex-partner (I mean in the business sense here, though I gather that they were romantically involved in the early days of Camelot) and co-founder of Camelot-Avalon, Kerry Cassidy.

Unfortunately, Bill chose to make it very clear to the moderators, at the end of last month, that in his opinion the Thuban Q & A thread should be closed down. Bill also made it clear that he believed Abraxas was delusional. He also felt that Avalon was not the place to discuss and debate differing metaphysical frameworks. Both these opinions were highly questionable in my own humble opinion, particularly the last one regarding discussion around metaphysical frameworks. If we can not discuss such things here, where can we do so? With regard to the charge of Abraxas being delusional, I ask this. Are we not all delusional to some degree? Beliefs, opinions, judgments we all express in some form or other. These too could be considered delusional. Some say a belief in God or a higher force is delusional? What about a belief in ghosts, angels, demons, spirits or ET's?

So, Bill gave his very strongly stated opinion, leaving it up to the moderators to decide whether they close the Thuban thread or not. One of the moderators closed the thread, against his better judgment, thinking that this was what Bill had requested. He re-opened the thread a few days later, when he realised his mistake. However, the damage had been done the moment Bill expressed a very strong opinion about the Thuban material being false. This provided a lot more fuel for the little fire that the offended group had created against Abraxas. The Thuban threads days here at Avalon were surely numbered then. I will be very surprised if Bill does anything other than support the actions of the small group of moderators and members who have closed down all things Thuban and banned Abraxas. I would love to be wrong on this and will put up my hand and say so if Bill contradicts my expectation.

Bill's integrity, already in doubt for me, rests on what he does or does not do in response to this irrational and emotive witch hunt. It is my suspicion, that in good time, but probably not immediately, all things relating to channeling or downloading (watch out you Ashayana Deanne fans) from alleged higher sources will be slowly removed from Avalon, if Bill gets his way. Whilst I question many of these channeled and downloaded sources, to stop all discussion of them here at Avalon, would be, in my view, a big mistake. By the way, I do not think many, if any, of the claims made by the various whistle blowers, witnesses and contactees are any more reliable (in some cases they are less so) than most channeled sources presented here at Avalon and elsewhere. Bill gives the impression that such are more grounded in reality than the channeled sources. I see little evidence to support this contention.

Really, it appears to me, that what has gone on here at Avalon in relation to the Abraxas thread, is the latest reflection of the ongoing personal conflict between Bill and Kerry, that has become more and more evident over the past year or so. The Camelot � St. Clair, Camelot � Burisch, Camelot � Greer, Camelot � Rense, Ryan � High and Ryan � Kinsumei2 conflicts were earlier versions of this. So, their own conflict with each other is a microcosm of these other Avalon and Camelot conflicts, in my view. And yet all of those conflicts together are themselves each a microcosm of the still wider conflict we see going on across our planet. The macrocosm is reflected in the microcosm; as above, so below; as within, so without.

Many here seem to feel that Bill is the more objective and rational member of the Camelot duo and that Kerry is the more intuitive and emotional one. Whilst Kerry is clearly intuitive (as is Bill, in my opinion), but also irrational and overly emotional at times, what many Avalonians fail to see is that many of Bill�s apparently objective and rational comments and statements are merely a cover for his own quite irrational and emotional processing. He is just better at hiding his irrational side than Kerry. Bill has aired his own differences publicly with Kerry, just as she has with him. The only difference is that he has done so in a more subtle manner than Kerry. Ideally, neither of them should have bought their personal issues to either Camelot or Avalon. It is fine for them to disagree publicly, but they need to do this in a rational and objective manner and simply agree to differ. However, what has occurred here at Avalon lately is far more personal than that and there is very little objectivity occurring from either party at present. It has everything to do with a personal relationship having gone sour, in my humble opinion.

So to Bill and Kerry, I say this. Get over it, move on and stop taking your personal grievances with each other, albeit unconsciously, out on the moderators and posters here at Avalon.

I shall certainly remain a member of this forum in the short term, just to watch what goes on here as this increasing conflict either gets worse or begins to resolve itself. I might even post occasionally, if I don�t get banned after this comment. Whether I remain here in the longer term depends on how things pan out. A more dictatorial approach to what is and is not allowed here, which is what Bill seems to be proposing, will most definitely turn me away from both Avalon and Camelot. Clear evidence of a more tolerant and open approach to all perspectives will keep me interested. So watch this space on that one.

However, already, though I respect Bill and Kerry as individuals and for much of what they have accomplished, I have lost faith in the integrity of both founders of Camelot-Avalon. This also leads me to question their credibility as objective observers and recorders of the information that they gather from their various sources.

Best Wishes to you all,

Truthseeker (Andrew)

So that is pretty well my take on what has occurred in recent weeks.

Best Wishes,

Andrew


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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:32 am
Devakas, Mar 19 2010, 03:12 AM

Very well done master TruthSeeker!

I remember your posts, you described well subjective observers.

love it!



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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:32 am
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Many thanks for writing those Truthseeker.



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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:33 am
Anchor, Mar 19 2010, 03:52 AM

Perhaps there is some puss still that needs to run out of this wound. Keeping it open and in the air wont hurt much, even though it does hurt still.

Coming at the time of the PA1 -> PA2 migration sure poisoned that process.

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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:33 am
Dear everyone,

I don't know if anyone here knows that Abraxas (Tony) already posted a response on his Tuban Ning site http://thuban.ning.com/ about what really happened that caused him being banned and the closure of the social group. Many still think that the sexual harrasment allegation was made up, but after reading this I can understand why a man would think that his wife was being harrased. (I will post it here only because it is already online for anyone to see and I'm sure he wouldn't mind)

[Reply by Abraxasinus John Paul Anthony on March 14, 2010 at 2:06am
Hi All here on the babysteps of a REAL Avalon or Camelot or RoudTable or whatever you might like to label it.

And my heartfelt thanks for Jonah and hipppihill to have joined with US and to John H and all of you here to have began chatting and the sharing of your ideas and impressions.

Susan has started this forum with Mary and myself and I have and am in the process of backing up the Thuban data so it cannot be lost again.

This forum here is not moderated and there are a couple of members here I have known from my old gnostic (anarchistical in the manner of OUR Logos lol) affiliations; Doug Ogilvie a scotsman and ex University of Qeensland Education Proferssor; who presently suffers from prostate cancer and like myself wishes for the metamorphosis in the wings to translate to certain redefinition of the 'suffering bodies' of the 3D biochemistry.
http://alphernet.com.au/dogilvie/

We also have Ashera (Alienne) who's 'open language' regarding 'delicate' subjects by far autmanouvers mine.
Ashera used to be a Semiotiks Professor at the University of Bremen, Germany.

So lovely Barbara, linguistic expressionisms and colloquialities on this site are welcomed, all nuances, innuendos or 'call a spade a spade' expressionas are considered Linguistoic poetry in contexts selfgenerating.

These two old friends of mine are the only noAvalonians at present.

Now the idea behind this new site is this and also a consequence of what could have potentially evolved there at Avalon.

Ok first up, I'd like to share with you what happened at Avalon, not from some conspiracy perspective, but from a rather human viewpoint.

The 'kettle blew its top' as soon as the membership of the Thuna group grew, say from 10 to 22.

Eleni and Jonah and Luminari joined as moderators.
This then became untenable to the Avalon admin.

Here was this much maligned quasi-scientist pretending to be from Thuban; who in contrast to Bill Ryan's much visited Q&A did in fact answer all the questions (to the best of his ability).

All this is ok, if just the majority of the Avalonians would have decided that the Thuban data was actually deluded nonsense and AS defined by Bill Ryan.

But whilst the majority of Avalonians did in fact avoid the sciences (an exception is Andrew Truthseeker here); there were enough Avalonians who actually received stimulation of their own search for life's meaning and such.
Some really liked the scriptural messages of the deeper meaning of spirituality and a 'higher form for the meaning of interpersonal and extrapersonal Love' and say the esoteric forms of Christianity.
Myplanet2 brilliantly discerned the inner workings and agenda of the Thuban mission and could relate to it on his own inner understandings, which of course was the intent all along.
The 12D Thuban is outside of spacetime; BUT is also within spacetime and precisely individualised in everyone as one's own personal spacetime in 3D, say labelled as Temple of the Body by Jesus and as the Merkabah in the New Age lingo.

And so the social group begun to become ALIVE as a memeplex in the 3D spacetime and with the POTENTIAL to catalyse this metamorphosis of physical realiity expected for the 2012 Mayan nexus point.

A private 3-way skype conversation between Celine Dragaon, Mary Elizabeth and myself and upon invitation by Celine, crystallized certain psychosomatic issues within Celine and her relationships.
Being well aware of causes and mentality issues regarding this, I could, with Mary E's help help to process and resolve some of very deep issues in Celine's subconscious.
The nature of these issues was sexual and so sexual archetypes and symbols became nessecity to be used.
However the drummed up 'sexual harrassment' was akin a 'patient' of Sigmund Freud on a couch describing sexual fantasies and related self expressions with the psychotherapist, the nlatter then engaing and participating in the fantasies with words and say sexual poetry (see Song of Songs in the bible KJV).
Anyway, this episode 'changed' Celine from being anti-Thuban to becoming intrigued with it on a personal level.
The 'bigger plan' was also served however; as the explosion of the subconscious in Celine could in fact manifest particular archetypes and symbols.
Now I am not the only 'pundit' on symbols here; Ashera carries academic qualifications in Semiotiks - The Science of Symbols; and shehe can shed muchy light on the underpinning agtenda here.

Celine's 'change of heart' then resulted in infighting with her husband, who authorized Tango to ban Abraxas under the pretense of 'protecting' Mary Elizabeth from the sex cult of Thuban.
Tango's own 'perdition' followed in his 'split' from Mudra and then the 'misting' of Myplanet2 after confronting Celine at her own website added the fuels to the fires of Avalonian self destrruction.

On a more rational note, three old moderators joining 'Sexy Thuban' in Eleni, Jonah and Luminari; became untenable and the long touted 'Mission of Avalon' became the next 'raison de etre' to confiscate the group postings and the old Thuban thread.

The mission statement of Avalon was to spread the light and the love and to BRING PEOPLE OF VASTLY DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALITIES YET UNITED IN A COMMON SENSE OF PURPOSE TOGETHER.

And as the sexcult from Thuban was seen to actually accomplish this within an environment of mutual respect, harmony and a common vision for a new world; this 'nasty infiltrator' had to be stopped at all costs.
As my conduct on the old Thuban thread did not warrant banning on a personal evaluation by any moderator; the 'Ground Crew' of Avalon, attempting to 'save face' as the 'Real Avalon'; attempted to obscurate the Thuban data in putting it into a social group and hoping interest would evaporate and the social group comprising only a handful of Avalon members.

So WE as a coregroup of the old Avalon were tolerated as long as OUR membership would not grow.
Avalon as an umbrella really had only two optios.

1. To encompass the Thuban data as its own and to blend with it in OPEN SUPPORT on all levels. Any unbiased observer, such as all of you here; would have seen that the Thuban data GAVE stimulation and selfempoweerment to its readers and participators.
The Thuban data so and is now a Memeplex existing in the astral (hence the messages of the psychic attacks say as from Anchor). It however is akin a 'Purging Fire' ravaging through the old for long hidden archetypes of the subconscious.

I have always claimed that the Thuban data is not mine to give as some kind of worldly authority. I am not. I am no leader and not even a teacher - I am here simply to share data for all to ponder assimilate or to reject.
I am so a simple mirror and councellor, like Freud or Jung with a Celine in psychoanalysis for example.

2. To eliminate and restrict the propagation of the Thuban data at all costs.

As all of you know; the PTB of Avalon have chosen the second option.

Thank You all and the more FREEDOM LOVERS WE can gather here, the sooner the original Thuban Group of Avalon will become reinvigorated.

I am presently working in the copying of the old Thuban thread, both on my website and here.

Susan has done a great job of saving some other threads and hopefully WE can salvage some material from the hgroup threads.
I would be grateful for any of you who have saved groupthreads, to repost them here any way you please.

Thank You all
I do Love you all
Remember there is a Mental Love fuelled by the Spirit of Love and complementary to the Emotional-Physical Love so many people continually mix up and fail to understand.

John Anthony Abraxinus]

So you see, he caught his wife talking about something that he did not understand and reacted with those labels and accusations. I am neither defending him, nor condoning the controlling behavior he had afterwards; I am simply trying to understand his perspective. There WAS sexuality involved yes. That was at the core of the Thuban dispensations. At least that's how I understood it; and Abraxas seemed to be trying to help us understand the "secret" of what has been kept from us for so long to finally be able to remember how to be Love in all its expressions: mental, spiritual, emotional as well as sexual. Many rejected it because it started to discuss "sensitive" material more and more, but the group was always opened for anyone to join and inquire for themselves. Just when it was starting to get interesting... it was cut out. Do you think the timing was a coincidence? Timing is everything some say.
I thought that on the "last days" there will be nothing hiddden and that everything will be known. Well it seems there is still a force "out there" that does not agre with this. That is why I said on the Q&A thread that this information is not dangerous. I still think so. Isn't all information inside of us already anyway?
Personally, some things are still not very clear to me. Not about B&K or admin practices or rants; but on the actual practice of incorporating this mental understanding of sexual archetypes to oneself and bringing them alive. Linking the mental and the physical. Opening the wormwhole. I ask MP3 and Sacho, if you understand how to do this....please do share.
I will share a post Abraxas made yesterday:
[Many FEEL the changes; but not many can mentally process these changes of the archetypes and this 'lack of mental understanding' of course disallows this circularisation of the linear in breaking the circle at the mentality of the human merkabah.

The 'spirit' must 'marry' the 'flesh' as prophecied and encoded.
As the 'flesh ' couples to the emotions and the spirit couples to the mind in the linearity; the greatest abyss for most on this planet will be to harmonize the feelings with the thoughts.
The recent Avalonian upheavals have illustrated this dilemma of the human immaturity to think clearly and rationally to attune the human emotionality.

The symbols of 'love and light' by themselves will prove insufficient to access the astral hyperspace of a reconfigured cosmic canvas structure; albeit constructed on the LovePhoton as the hologramic basic building block for the cosmology.]

I hope this will help clear away more of "The Mists" of Avalon and help Mother Pachamama with her thinning of this "veil" between dimensions.

All my Love for you,


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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:34 am
gscraig, Mar 19 2010, 02:18 PM



Hello All,

Briefly. There were key factors I feel that were being overlooked by opinions, emotions and perspectives via the Thuban Material. Followed by poor judgement and decision making on behalf of the moderators. For some, the material wasn't about being too complex to them personally, it was the premise. Some may have understood perfectly, thus more the reason they were vocal, not because they were an idiot and therefore didn't resonate with the material.

Ultimately, the arguement then became Freedom of Speech and people having the right to choose, which I agree with. I think some of the arguement against this freedom in a sense was simply the question "was there any vetting process for this person or thread?" or did they jump on, share there wisdom proclaiming it truth and gained followers? This is similar to Project Camelots interviewing approach, thus we don't know the pretenders from true whistleblowers, but yet they all sound quite convincing with their representation of facts and expertise.

Please remember that throughout modern history, there has been some very dangerous people who hid behind Free Speech. The one that comes to mind first is Jim Jones and the infamous purple Kool aid. There were people who started vetting and questioning his concept early on and tried to warn others, but Freedom of Speech and the right to choose was triumphant. We all know the rest......Sometimes, people are simply trying to help, not infringe on personal liberties or rights. If this was where Bill was coming from, I can understand it better, and to an extent agree with the concern.

I don't buy some people were trying to prevent others from expanding their consciousness. At least not for "that" reason.

Mp3 wrote:



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It would all have died down as people came to their own conclusions as to what they were looking at, instead of having a few nitwits ramming their viewpoint down everybody elses throats

If you were to take a step back MP3, you would have noticed how your actions also became defined by your own definition above.

I feel the greatest travesty of all this and still having repercussions to this date, was that the moderators did not take ownership of their actions publicly, where these actions occurred. Likewise, Bill could have stepped in as well, but then again, he might have been quite busy himself for being able to do anything. This fire then grew due to the avalanche of censoring (misting) defensive posturing, and then poorest timing of all possible to bring up PA2, and invitation only. They are volunteers, but that cannot be the trumping excuse for errors all the time. We all must grow.

Best to all,
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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:36 am
MP3, Mar 19 2010, 05:15 PM


QUOTE (SuiGeneris @ Mar 19 2010, 01:05 AM)

Personally, some things are still not very clear to me. Not about B&K or admin practices or rants; but on the actual practice of incorporating this mental understanding of sexual archetypes to oneself and bringing them alive. Linking the mental and the physical. Opening the wormwhole. I ask MP3 and Sacho, if you understand how to do this....please do share.

All my Love for you,


SuiGeneris


I don't know how much help I can be. I've seen many of the same things Tony points to for myself, and much of what I've come to understand about the true nature of reality jibes with Tony's descriptions, although from a different perspective and a different frame of reference. Context, if you will.

If you consider the validity of "as above, so below", you are delving into the area Tony spent a lot of time on. If God is All that Is, then how do you explain an ax murderer, or pedophile? There is nothing we experience in this life, which is not an echo or mirror of what is contained in our consciousness above. And above and below is really a linear universe interpretation anyway. There is no above or below in fact. It's all here. Now. Separation is a complete illusion in fact. There is no such thing. So there is no place we are going to. We are already there. and here. Here, now, is what it is. And even that is so only because we say it is so.

The Archetypes are simple costumes for the game we play. They are little bits of role playing software which we can dress up in to give a bit of context to the characterizations we adopt, and their interactions with other characters.

On the overall, I believe I recognize in Tony's work, the understanding of the fact that we've taken a significantly different approach to this cycle ending we are in the midst of. There would normally be a re-separation from the physical prior to another round in the game. In other words we would pull out of the physical, and dissolve our lower energetic fields, and simply go home. To our real home. This earthly home we are so enamoured of is like entering a computer game. Real enough while you're in it, but seen as a simple entertainment when you get the call to put down the controller and come to dinner. It's very attractive, both electrically and magnetically. It draws attention and involvement. Many of Tony's descriptions hint towards a reintegration here, rather than a separation back to there. This is my understanding as well. We are right now building new structures, with lots of outside help, which will enable us to bring the rest of who we truly are, here to the game. Well, not all the way here to 3D. there isn't a physical body which could hold all of who we truly are, except mayby a star. In other words, we are making space "here" for the rest of our larger being in all aspects, and this is a development beyond description.

the reintegration process is brutal, because of how little we understand from this level of consciousness of who and what we truly are. Everything we can experience or perceive is within our consciousness. All of it. Or it simply wouldn't exist. The bad, the good, the horrible, the magnificent, the beautiful, the ugly. It's all of it who we are. We can't be whole without all of it. Much of it is very hard to look at it, but that is what is required. The illusion is dissolving and we are left looking at what is there to be seen. Like it or not, it's who we are, and we can no longer pretend otherwise.

There's more, but I"m out of time, so until later, hope this helps a bit. Not sure it will.

In continuation, there are a few more points to consider in this phenomenon of this topic.

Because this is new, and because we are covering new ground as far as this cycle ending to end all cycle endings is concerned, the normal limits to our creativity are relaxed or maybe gone, limited only by what we believe we are capable of consciously.

Most have noticed that prediction doesn't work, including for the negative team. It's because there is no future, except as we improvise the potentials for one as we go. There is no destiny. There is no predetermined timeline. It's all been rendered null, because of how we ourselves have decided to end this game. We are all creators, and we are all creating. Consider the implications of that. Our next reality will be exactly what we believe it will be, in our creative expectations. Nobody else is writing our scripts right now.

Certain broad outlines are in place, and we have full creativity within those parameters. We've decided the game will now migrate into the 5th dimension. But we're not going to "wake up" there as has been the case with some of our previous outings here. We are walking all the way from here to there, with our eyes open. And we're making it up as we go. (obviously metaphoric). The more agreement that exists within our collective consciousness, will determine the shape the next playing field will take. There has already been one unexpected consequence of the way we are going about this, and that is a bifurcation in timelines, with the rough dividing line being between those who are consciously exiting the polarity consciousness embedded in all the prevailing Archetypes available here, via integration, as opposed to following "one side" to it's maximum extreme. You can ascend by driving all of your polarized perspectives all the way to one extreme or another, but the catch is you have to treat them all. You can't be full on positive in some areas and mostly negative in others. You have to become full on positive all across the boards, or full on negative all across the boards, and hold them there. You'll ascend to the next level of play if you can do that. The energy expenditure is so extreme, I think it would be just next to impossible. another pitfall is the constant descensions which occur when you withdraw energy from one area to work on another. You have to get them up and keep them up and then the next and so on, without letting the others fall back towards balance.

So we've already had a timeline split where both are running concurrently, and intermingled, with the main characteristics along the lines of leaving polarity consciousness, and the other being the strengthening of it. obviously the two can not co-exist for long because of their nature. These two main groups of consciousness, forming into collectives, are going to be splitting off all together at some point, but for now, they are overlapped, and it's extremely uncomfortable and getting more so all the time.

Tony's stuff is obviously promoting integration towards unity consciousness. He's been lighting up many of the archetypes people find uncomfortable, and drawing lines from them to the "as above" place, and demonstrating how they connect to the "so below" place. This has been very triggering for people, and behaving like a serious button pushing, if it's an area the person has been very much avoiding contact with.

Tony has adopted many biblical referents which point to these archetypes. It could be one of his familiar frames of reference (another being math/physics), or it could be that he knew that many would have these biblical referents "live" in there consciousness, and so become triggered and engaged in the process he set rolling. He'd have to answer this himself. It can only be speculated about from without.

But then he shifted gears and started organizing an activity. I think I've spotted some of what he's been heading towards with this activity, but again, it's pure speculation, and should be treated as such. He's obviously aware of the unique quality of this ascension process this time around, and has hinted at the difference several times. Because it's a new way of going about it, and because we are creating the how to as we go, the opportunity exists to use a newly formed collective consciousness to sort of steer the direction. Why someone would WANT to do that, I'm not sure. But that someone COULD do that, I'm quite certain. This doesn't speak to intent. just to the possibliity. It's possible someone could steer a newly formed and growing collective consciousness, and push it ahead of the curve where it was no following the general trends, but instead, blazing new pathways which others then have available to adopt or be drawn to. If you got a group together which just loved the whole OZ vibe, and wanted to have the next reality mirror the reality of the wizard of oz movie, with witches and wizards and living tin men and scare crows and munchkins, and flying monkeys, you could start to create agreement, and attract more agreement, and get more and more to add their energy to the collective energy and if you were able to keep it up and stay ahead of other emerging collectives, as far as gaining agreement, it's conceivable that you could create OZ in the coming reality. It's not likely, because it's so different from the current and usually the next has minor changes from the previous, but it's possible.

If you were to consider the future a blank slate, you wouldn't be too far off. Except that being creatures of habit, we are likely to migrate more in baby steps than in broad leaps. Anybody can see the developing memes already forming up. Several of them have already found homes and support in places like the avalon communities. There is the Love is all that matters grouping, there's the Evil is out to take us over and we must fight grouping, there is the we're being manipulated all over the place and must find out what's going on so we can act accordingly and escape the enslavement attempt, and what ever other groupings that exist. Alien interventionist, for example.

The present is created by us, and the future will be the product of that creation. So if you wanted the future to look a certain way, you'd be working with bright capable powerful creator beings now, and steering their creative efforts along the channels you envision as desirable, for what ever reason you have.

I don't have an opinion I'd care to share about whether Tony is engaged in such an activity, and if he is, whether it's for his own purposes, someone elses purposes, or for the greater good, or for the greater detriment. I'm not speaking about motivation here. Just possibility of an activities' existence and potential viability. Yes I think such a thing can be done, and yes I believe it's being done in various places by various individuals and groups of individuals.

We are writing new scripts, which become available for others to use as well. We are writing our solutions to problems in integrating polar opposites back into harmony into the collective consciousness, and there they are for others to use as well. My guides and my wifes guides are always thanking us for inviting them to participate in our clearing work, because helping us through these things helps them understand us and themselves better. They are sincere in their thanks. It's a mutual learning/teaching experience, and always mutually beneficial.

So Tony has an activity going on now. I haven't been there since it was pulled from Avalon's back corner. But I've talked with several participants. I still don't have my own opinion and won't venture a guess. He's doing something, and I'll assume he's doing it for a reason. Beyond that, the same could be said for anyone. It looks like he's working at developing a group which will try to get a jump start on having a say in the direction the collective conscious develops towards. But that's a non judgemental speculation. nothing more.

He's either copied or done some ground breaking work on Archetypes, and the inter-related structures of consciousness. The part of my conscious awareness available for use in this 3D world can't decipher his maths, but I know another part of my consciousness can, if they are decipherable at all. I've seen similar work in my own personal hall of records on a visit I made there once.

That's about all I can think of to say on this for now.


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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:36 am
truthwillsetufree, Mar 19 2010, 08:23 PM


Thank you surigeneris for pulling all that together. May I add you were also correct

"Just when it was starting to get interesting... it was cut out. Do you think the timing was a coincidence? Timing is everything some say.
I thought that on the "last days" there will be nothing hidden and that everything will be known. Well it seems there is still a force "out there" that does not agree with this."


Not only do they not agree with it, they are purposely keeping this from the awareness of people so they can continue to keep the sisterhood in enslavement. This is where they derive their power from.

We also believe not only were certain people involved in century old customs pertaining to sexual activities but also that Bill's decision to remove the Thuban material and ban abraxas came from a higher level of interest.

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"They" are saying this was in the works long before but given the recent history, that Andrew so eloquently explained, with the falling out of many whistleblowers, posters such as Kinsumei2, as well as the debacle with Clif High, it seems to me that Bill is showing his true colors. It looks like he wants total and complete control over what people say, with the right to edit, change and keep all material. I wrote yesterday on Jesterterestrial's thread that this is CENSORSHIP at its worst, and GaiaLove promptly came in and closed the thread. This was after misting Goddess of the Purple Light for 7 days and issuing points.

There is something deeper and darker going on here and why it was taken off so completely like it never existed and why they are taking precaution that this won't happen again.

Thank you for keeping this discussion alive and in the light of Truth

Always in Love,
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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:37 am
truthwillsetyoufree, Mar 19 2010, 08:38 PM


Dear MP3

The clarity and wisdom of your writings always leave me in a better place than I was before and with a smile!

Thank you!

In the Light of Truth,
Mary


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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:37 am
Spregovori, Mar 20 2010, 12:55 PM


Hei MP3...entertaining the world since 1991

Found your posts here in the mists...but i took my time to clear them mists first.

Interesting thoughts you wrote...much thinking you have done.
How about trying to find a common factor to it all?

When you decide you wish to change or create or simply to accept as it is...on what level, do you think, this occurs?

If you are in the elevator with 4 others. Three of them are 100% sure that the elevator will fall and that you will all die in agony. One refuses to face the "reality" and insists on calling the elevator repair man. You are 100% sure that whatever will happen....the final outcome will be you and the rest of the people in the elevator..walking out of it...safe, healthy and relaxed.

Who's reality will prevail? When clock hits 20h:12min all will be revealed.
Should we listen to those telling us all is evil?
Should we listen to the "let us try to fix it" guy?
Or should we decide everything will be ok...simply because we choose it to be?

If you simply choose no evil.....will you than no longer have any evil? Can the axe murderer still get you with that "no evil" frame in your mind?

How do you judge evil. Who are you or me...to judge...evil or anything else?

example 1: i choose to refuse the duality and see all that is, as it is
example 2: i choose to refuse duality and see all that is as a part of me

In which of this two examples is "evil" no longer "evil"?

When is evil...an actual evil and when is evil just a learning experience?

A child gets raped...is this a necessary experience for the future good or karmic obligation for past life transgressions?

Does each pedophile and each axe murder have their own spot under the sun and should not be look down at?
They are hear to teach and/or punish....they sacrifice their karma for the greater good?
It depends on the energy of each individual if he or she will attract one or both of the "evil specialists" mentioned above?

But since all is said to be one and one is said to be all ..it is you/me/us making this things...a need to experience in order to evolve?

Where is the limit? Just what are we suppose to learn?

How do you know it is true? How can you know what you know is true. Are you guessing, are you feeling it, are you calculating it...or....or you decide what is and or can be good for you?

When you evolve the consciousness....do you do it as you see it fit for you? Your perception of how things should be? If....than there simply is no good, there is no evil....there is just a point of view...you do not do it to create evil or good...you do it since it can serve your greater good? Or is it different?

There is no evil and or good...there are just people with intent.


How do you consider the idea of: love all (all as in - no exceptions) others as you love yourself, bond with them mentally with all your heart and soul, feel them and let them feel you, give yourself to them and accept them when they give themselves to you.....

Is there any "evil" in the above "equation"? Or has it been successfully eliminated?

What about the matter of intent?

Should the "evil" as the word be abolished and should we discuss *intent*?

Weather in creation (group or solo) weather in action (solo or group) weather in words, sounds, pictures and writing....all there ever is/was and will be....is intent.

Ask yourself...ask others: "what is your intent" ?

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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

SuiGeneris on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:38 am
MP3, Mar 20 2010, 02:04 PM


Hi again, Spregovori. Nice to see you again.

You ask a lot of questions. I don't think I would like to try to answer so many. (Of course I understand the use of the rhetorical)

My general answer to the general question type, is we all have free will. We all create. We can create anything we want, which doesn't infringe anothers free will. I don't readily accept anyones assumption of the right to "do" for others. each being is the total author of their participation within all that is. And everybody is getting it right. For them. As soon as they think they have it right for others, I believe they overstepping their mandate in existence.

I believe "All that Is" allows it's self the leeway to be all that it is. Warts and all. In that light, I see Judgement and "side taking" as an artifact of 3D life and the mechanics set up to permit it to unfold via our creativity. Just an integral part of the experience here. But I also see it, or would like to see it, let's say envision for the "intent" of creating a different choice, the dissolving of judgement as a component of the interface between us Creator Beings fooling around in this totally non-serious game board of 3D.

Different beings will find their own way out of the dualistic structures by whatever path they design for themselves, or adopt from other beings creative offerings.

If we had full conscious awareness of our other, less obvious agreements and intentions, we'd probably conclude that we are improvising as smooth a transition out of the dualistic structures we've been playing in, and into a more harmonious and balanced set of game parameters. Each being will follow the path they desire. I'm sure each being will arrive at where they want to be. If we have a soul level agreement to dissolved the old dualistic structures in favour of a new set, then we will still all have full freewill choice as to how we go about that. So still allowance of all others to take the path they have chosen, would be a balanced approach, providing balance is sought.

Evil, I don't believe in it myself. I don't believe the concept of evil survives a migration out of 3D structures. evil exists, as a 3D structure we can climb around on like playground monkey bars. It's not it's own thing. It's a toy, we can play with to learn about that much prized (here anyway) "Not-Evil".

I hope I at least touched on your questions. And say also that I don't have any desire to overshadow any one elses Creativity or choice selection process. It's a big part of why I've been objecting so heartily to anyones efforts to place THEIR controls into OTHER PEOPLE'S spaces. People should, from my perspective, concentrate more on their OWN participations, than to sit in judgement of others participations, since no one really knows what another beings path is.



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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

THEeXchanger on Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:18 pm
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Re: It was never about the Thuban materials

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