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    Great Debate — Mansur versus Saunders on Muslim immigration

    12ae?s=33& Robert Sibley, Ottawa Citizen
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    Published on: March 1, 2014 | Last Updated: May 18, 2014 12:27 PM EDT

    The most telling thing about the Macdonald-Laurier Institute’s debate on Thursday evening was not the topic – Muslim immigration – but that it took place at all.
    In a country where journalists are persecuted by human rights commissions for uttering politically incorrect commentary, when ethnic groups slap the “racist” label on those who hurt their feelings, and politicians are too cowardly to even discuss immigration policies lest they lose a vote, the fact that a prominent organization like the Macdonald-Laurier Institute would stage such an event is noteworthy. The Institute’s managing director, Brian Lee Crowley, and his staff are to be applauded for making the issue of Muslim immigration a topic in their Great Canadian Debates series.

    About 200 people – off various ethnic persuasions, including Muslim, as far as I could tell – turned out at the Canadian War Museum for the debate between Doug Saunders, a Globe & Mail columnist and author, and Salim Mansur, an associate professor of political science at the University of Western Ontario. Their exchange dealt with the resolution of “Muslim immigration is no threat to Canada or the West.” Saunders, a British-born Canadian, argued in favour of the resolution, while Mansur, a Calcutta-born Muslim, argued against.

    (Those unable to attend – or unwilling to appear in public when a controversial topic like Muslim immigration is on the agenda – can watch it on CPAC on Saturday at 10 a.m. and on Sunday at 5 p.m.)
    Who actually “won” the debate is, of course, a matter of debate. Unfortunately, unlike previous debates, there was no audience vote at the end to provide a judgment. That said, most of those I spoke to afterwards gave the nod to Mansur. Perhaps not surprisingly, for anyone who has read some of my musings, I did, too. (Full disclosure: I attended as a private citizen; I was not covering the event for the Citizen.)
    I “voted” for Mansur not only because I generally agree with his views, but also because, in my view, Saunders was unable to acknowledge the potential ripple effects or long-term consequences of Muslim immigration, particularly from countries whose cultures inculcate fundamentalist Islamic values.

    To his credit, Saunders repudiated the commonplace canard that anyone who has concerns about Muslim immigration is a racist. It is, he said, quite reasonable to be concerned about possible religious influences on our civic life. “There are some people out there saying we should not have this debate, that simply acknowledging the question of Muslim immigration is by definition racist and disrespectful. I disagree with those people who say we should not have a debate on this topic …. The people who raise questions about things like Muslim immigration are not bigots or intolerant people.” Rather, they are people asking questions of concern in good faith regarding society’s values.
    In that light, we need to confront such issues of public concern, whether warranted or not, if only to repudiate them, he said. Accordingly, Saunders set out to do just that.

    Saunders maintained that the way Muslim immigrants are sometimes viewed is no different from the way that, say, Jewish immigrants were seen in mid-20th century Canada. Debates about Muslim immigration nowadays are little more than a repetition of similar knee-jerk fears about earlier immigrant groups – Catholics, Jews, etc. – who came to Canada in the past.

    Citing a variety of studies, including those by western intelligence agencies, he dismissed the notion that large-scale immigration from Muslim countries spurs terrorism. One study by Britain’s MI-5, he said, found there was little reason to blame immigrants for the terrorist attacks carried out in western countries in recent years – the 2007 London subway bombing, for example. As well, other studies suggest that well-established religious communities are not a source of political violence. Instead, most of those who’ve taken up terrorism – for example, the killing last year of the British soldier Lee Rigby – were committed by either converts to Islam or the second-generation offspring of immigrants. And of those few, if any, possessed a particularly religious background, although they may use religion as justification for their actions.

    “There is evidence that well-established religious identity actually protects against radicalization,” Saunder argued.
    Trauma, crime and personal experiences, especially political experience, lures people into terrorism. “Terrorism and extremism do not come from religious communities, (and) they do not come from poverty,” Saunders asserted. “And they are almost never immigrants … (So) let’s not pretend that it (terrorism) has anything to do with the mass of immigrants from Muslim countries.
    “Eliminating Muslim immigration would not eliminate terrorism,” he said, noting that the 2001 attacks on the United States weren’t carried out by immigrants.

    Saunders also dismissed the they-will-swamp-us notion, arguing that Canada’s liberal democratic values are safe because Muslims will never form a majority. Birth rates in the Muslim world are dropping dramatically, and when Muslims emigrate to the West those birth rates fall even faster. Even assuming significant levels of Muslim immigration continue, their numbers are likely to peak at six per cent of Canada’s population, and those kind of numbers present no threat to Canadian values.

    Besides, the vast majority of Muslims in Canada – 81 per cent – are satisfied with the way things are in the country and have no inclination to promote even shari’ah law, he said, citing surveys. Indeed, 94 per cent are “proud to be Canadian” and happy to enjoy the country’s traditions of individual freedom and democracy. Instead of threatening Canadian values, most Muslim immigrants are willingly adopting them. Given this, Saunders concluded, Canadians need not fear that Muslims will form “parallel societies” alien those values.

    Certainly, there are problems among Muslims living in the West – the Pakistani community in northern England and Moroccans in Austria, for instance – but the idea that Muslim immigration poses a threat to the West has, in Saunders’ words, “proven over and over again to be mythical.”

    In this regard, he asked rhetorically, are we to believe that a group of impoverished, unemployed or marginalized people are an “existential threat” to the West, that such people “possess the political influence to transform a nation’s long-held political values?”

    For his part, Mansur characterized Saunders’ argument as naïve, describing his views as those of a “tourist” who is unable to penetrate beneath the surface of Muslim culture. While it may be true that first generation Muslim immigrants tend not to indulge in terrorism, it is increasingly evident that some second and even third generation Muslims are only too willing to do so, as recently demonstrated young men from Canada who’ve gone overseas to join the international jihad in places like Syria and Algeria.

    This highlights the real concern with Muslim immigration that Saunders sidesteps, according to Mansur. Citing a recent survey, he noted that Muslims currently comprise about 2.7 per cent of Canada’s population – or about 940,000 people – but that number is expected to jump to 2.7 million – or about seven per cent — within a decade or so. He also referred to a survey from a few years ago that found about four per cent of Muslims in Canada – say, 100,000 – willingly identify with extremists and jihadists, justifying violence in the name of Islam. This number can only increase as the Muslim population increases, and that, Mansur suggested, makes for a lot of potential terrorists within Canada.

    European countries are already reeling under pressure of Muslim immigration, Mansur observed, with some seemingly willing to accommodate Muslim cultural values and practices even if they offend the hard-won secular traditions of those countries. Canadians cannot realistically assume they won’t face the same pressures as Canada’s Muslim population grows. “The growth in Muslim population will bring increased pressure for accommodation of Muslim demands (including those) religiously prescribed.”

    Certainly, many Muslim immigrants will come here to escape the oppression that has taken hold in parts of the Muslim world, where, according to Mansur, the diversity that once characterized the faith was gradually lost after Saudi Arabia began spending billions of petro-dollars to promote its wahhabist traditions with its demands for jihad and shari’ah compliance. Nonetheless, given current levels of immigration, a significant number will come to Canada with distinctly hostile views of the West.

    At one point Saunders suggested that if Canadians buy into the Islam-as-threat-to-the-West argument, it is perhaps because they have little faith in the ability of Western institutions to defend themselves against this threat. And if that’s the case, if they think Western society is so decrepit that a “small group can knock it all down,” why bother to defend it?
    Mansur dismissed that rhetoric as a straw man argument that misses the point of the issue: Saunders failed to consider that this may not be the case in the future as Muslims make up a larger portion of the country’s population. “An increase in (population) numbers is not merely quantitative; it will have a qualitative impact on Canadian society,” he said, arguing that “numbers” cannot help but affect whether the values Canadians now think of a sacrosanct – individual rights, the rule of law, free speech, secular authority – are challenged.

    Indeed, if a sufficient number of Muslims want shari’ah they may well be able to use the democratic process to achieve that end, Mansur said, noting how former Ontario attorney general Marion Boyd urged premier Dalton McGuinty in 2004 to allow shari’ah to apply in family law and inheritance matters.

    This remains a goal for fundamentalist Muslims, Mansur suggested. And therein lies the threat to Western societies. “A liberal democratic society based on individual rights, freedom and the rule of law cannot long accommodate illiberal demands from immigrant groups without subverting its own culture.”

    As for Saunders’ argument that Muslim immigration is no different from that of previous immigrant groups, Mansur was categorical: “No other immigrant group … has settled in Canada with the mindset predisposed on a cultural and religious basis to view the politics and culture of the host society negatively.” Among that group is a “sufficiently large number” seeking to create a parallel society within Canada where shari’ah law takes precedence over existing legal and social practices.

    Behind this campaign, Mansur argued, is the historical reality of Islam never having experienced the kind the “reformation” that Christianity did 500 years ago, a reformation that established the principle of the separation of church and state and, thereby, detached religion from politics. Islamic culture was once a creative and dynamic force in the world, but during the eighth to 10th centuries it became increasingly regressive and stagnant as the theologians gained dominance, destroying a civilization that “once merited respect.”

    The theologians continue to loom over Islam like a dark shadow, ensuring that it remains mired in a pre-modern worldview, according to Mansur. Islamism, he suggested, reflects the efforts by unmodern people to maintain the faith in a premodern condition where women and non-Muslims are subordinate to Muslim men. Such a mindset has resulted in Islam becoming an “imploding civilization” and “an incubator of sectarian violence.”
    Mansur offered his own “lived experience” as an example of what he’d described. “I come to you from within the wreckage of the world of Islam,” he said, explaining how he and his family fled to Canada in the 1970s to escape Islamist fanaticism. And therein resides Mansur’s warning to Canadians. It “defies logic,” he said, that Canada can remain open in the post 9/11 era to immigration from the Muslim world when so many of those immigrants draw their worldview from a culture with a deep-seated hostility toward the West.

    Mansur pointed out that the long-term subversion of the West is the mandate of the Muslim Brotherhood, the parent organization not only of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in the United States, but also CAIR’s Canadian subsidiary, CAIR-CAN (which now prefers to call itself the National Council of Canadian Muslims). The Muslim Brotherhood “sees immigration as a process of settlement in its strategy of subverting Western civilization from within,” he said

    (As side note, courtesy of Point de Bascule, a jihad-watch group with a reputation for thorough research: The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) was founded in 1994 by three leaders of the Islamic Association of Palestine (IAP), a Hamas front in the United States at the time.

    According to its charter (article 2), Hamas is the branch of the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza. In recent years (200820112012), its leaders have confirmed that the destruction of Israel is only a part of its program that aims at imposing Islam to the whole planet. In 2011, for example, Hamas leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar said on TV that Western civilization “will not be able to withstand the great and glorious Islam.”
    IAP appears in an annex of a 1991 Muslim Brotherhood’s internal memorandum listing the organizations associated with the Brotherhood in the United States. It is #22 on the list.
    This memorandum was seized by police and produced for evidentiary purposes in two Holy Land Foundation trials that took place in the U.S. in 2007 and 2008. These trials led to the convictions of all leaders accused of terrorism financing.

    At point 4 of the memorandum, the goal pursued by IAP and the other organizations belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood network in North America is described in no uncertain terms:
    “The Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood) must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions … It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes.”)

    In Mansur’s view, the Islamists think long-term in much the same way as the communists did following the Russian Revolution in the early 1900s. What Canadians are seeing now, he concluded, is “the drip, by drip, by drip” effort to erode the liberal democratic traditions of western countries by means, in part, of mass immigration.

    Here endeth the debate, or at least my distilled version of it. To hear the non-distilled version – and to decide the “winner” for yourself – I remind readers of the CPAC broadcasts this weekend. As well, those who wish to pursue the discussion further might pick up Saunders’ book, The Myth of the Muslim Tide, and Mansur’s book, Delectable Lie: A liberal repudiation of multiculturalism.
    You might also dip into Mansur’s 2012 testimony before the House of Commons Standing Committee on Citizenship and ImmigrationMansur fled Pakistan where he calls for curbs of Muslim immigration from certain Islamic countries. If you attend to the politicians’ questions – or, rather, their duck-and-dive response to Mansur’s statement – you can see an example of elite avoidance.

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    'Regressive bigotry’: Athens outraged as Ankara launches Koran readings at Hagia Sophia

    Published time: 7 Jun, 2016 22:37

    Women take selfie photographs with Hagia Sophia in the background in Istanbul, Turkey © Murad Sezer

    Turkish authorities will allow Koran readings at Istanbul’s Hagia Sophia, a former Christian church and mosque which now is a secular museum. Greece slammed the move, with some fearing that Erdogan’s government is taking steps to turn the site back into a mosque.

    Verses from the Islamic sacred book will be read at the Byzantine masterpiece daily during the holy Muslim month of Ramadan. The readings which started this Monday will also be broadcast live on Turkish state religious channel TRT Diyanet.

    The Greek Foreign Ministry has officially condemned the initiative, calling it “regressive” and a “bigotry.”
    “Muslim rituals at the [UNESCO] World Heritage site are incomprehensible, demonstrate disrespect and show lack of contact with reality,” the ministry said. Athens also added that “such actions are not compatible with modern, democratic and secular societies.”

    Greece's former minister of foreign affairs and former mayor of Athens, Dora Bakoyannis said that the new Koran readings at Hagia Sophia have virtually transformed it into a mosque for the first time in 80 years.
    In a joint statement with another chief member of Greece's largest conservative opposition party, New Democracy, the politician said that Ankara's move is 'provocative' and "shows disrespect against Orthodox Christians across the world and is not in line with Turkey's European course."
    READ MORE: ˜We are a Muslim country: Turkey's parliament speaker advocates religious constitution

    Last week, a deputy for Turkey's ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), Samil Tayyar, suggested that the site should be open for Muslim worship as a response to Ankara's western partners' recent actions which the government regards as unsupportive. In a widely shared and liked post on Twitter, the Turkish MP said: 'Since the United States are siding with the PKK [Kurdistan Workers' Party], and Germany has clung to the [Armenian] genocide lie, friendship has shifted. It's our turn '[Hagia] Sopia should be open for worship.'

    Thousands of Muslims demand reopening Hagia Sophia as mosque (VIDEO)

    Supporters of a secular Turkey, as well as Orthodox Christians in the world have long feared that Hagia Sophia, which was converted into a museum in 1935 during the reign of progressive Mustafa Ataturk, could be transformed back into a mosque under President Erdogan. A number of Erdogan's supporters within the ruling AKP party have openly suggested the World Heritage site should be given back entirely to Islamic worshipers.


    Charlotte Cowell
    provocative or what, Erdogan is definitely going 'a bit' IS, gives Russia, Greece and Eastern Europe quite a big common cause....someone commented that lot of Muslims are calling him out for doing this and saying they won't fall for it

    Ramon Light
    let them do it... the Christian egregory Light is there imho... it will take care of it. Not in some forceful or violent means, but a *softening* by Love and Life Herself.

    but yeah, its a provocative move.

    Charlotte Cowell
    Yes I agree

    Jeremy Corner
    Interesting building. A Christian church for 1,000 years then a Mosque for 500, now a secularised museum since 1935 attracting 3 million visitors a year.

    Charlotte Cowell
    And a mosque again if this lunatic has his way

    Warren Peas
    A few Russian nuclear submarines in the Piraeus ought to scare Erdogan

    Tony Bermanseder
    Read this pdf to stop your dreamtimes.

    The Ontological Metaphysics behind the Physical Manifesto of Islam
    The Ontological Metaphysics behind the Physical Manifesto of Islam The Jihad of Islam and the Hadji of Logos The Resistance or Counter Movement to...


    Tony Bermanseder For the insighters!

    Return to Byzantine Times?

    Charlotte Cowell
    They have a lot of common interests, this all ties in with the orthodox Greek prophecy about Russian ships in the med and the Apocalypse. A lot of people are outraged by Erdogan, he just keeps poking the hornets nest

    Charlotte Cowell
    Putin does, in the past couple of years, appear to have positioned himself as defender of the faith, as it many speak of the reconsecration of Russia bringing hope to the world, maybe he has cottoned onto this.....

    Daniel Legg
    He's positioning himself as a defender of all things conservative and traditional, including faith. It will bring hope to some, but not to others. He's not too dissimilar to Erdogan.

    Tony Bermanseder

    Kenny Ball And His Jazzmen - Midnight In Moscow (original)
    Kenny Ball will always be associated with his huge 1961 hit "Midnight in Moscow," cut in the days when it was possible for a Dixieland song to make it onto t...

    Tony Bermanseder
    You are finally seeing through the fogs of deception seashell



    Charlotte Cowell I've seen through it for years Tony, I just tended not to put it in people's faces, but I really think it's wake up time now


    Tony Bermanseder And via unconventional places and sources.

    Milo Yiannopoulos and Dave Rubin Talk Donald Trump,…
    Milo Yiannopoulos (journalist) joins Dave Rubin, discussing Milo's support for Donald Trump, the terror attacks in Brussels, censorship on social media (incl...

    Bernie Tall
    Fight fire with Water instead

    Charlotte Cowell
    whatever the case may be do something before the fire rages out of control....


    Charlotte Cowell I certainly don't approve of the EU, UK and America handing billions to Turkey and giving them all kinds of concessions while Erdogan helps IS terrorists and kills the Kurds, never mind the rest

    Tony Bermanseder
    Indeed Fire feeds on Air and Earth feeds of Water. At some nexus in time the kettle will boil and a phaseshift of the elements will become not only possible but necessary.

    Matthew 5:18

    For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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    The Healing Potential for Sexual Abuse by a Reconfiguration of Stereotypical Old World Human Sexuality

    Without misappropriations of this agenda by toxic third wave feminism

    A spell from 600 witches
    Brock Allen Turner we hex you.
    You will be impotent
    You will know constant pain of pine needles in your guts
    Food will bring you no sustenance
    In water, your lungs will fail you
    Sleep will only bring nightmares
    Shame will be your mantle.
    You will meet justice.
    My witchcraft is strong. Our witchcraft is powerful. The spell will work. So Mote it be.


    Comment from the Thuban Council: {Keep sending the love n' light from the divine feminine!}

    The conflict between the 'good' light and the 'evil' darkness can be restated in a necessary and universal balance between two fundamentally different polarities or spectrums also often expressed in dichotomies such as male yang and female yin aka a God-Devil or wave-particle elemental divide.

    If this cosmological and metaphysical and physical balance is required to support the continuity of the aforementioned universal structure itself, then how can this 'eternal war' between the poetic 'good and evil' ever become resolved?
    All inhabitors of the universal structure so embody the necessary dichotomy as the ONE entity or 'beingness', but could in principle 'overcome' the 'old world' in metaphysically and physically expressing this duality in particular forms, such as manifesting half of the duality, say the body-particular as 'pure darkness' and the other half, say the mind-waved as 'pure lightness'.
    In such a scenario, the ONE 'cosmic inhabitant' could decide to eliminate hisher own 'darkness within' to manifest herhis 'lightness without' to resolve the 'eternal war' as the ONE's disappearance of its body form into the spacetime continuum of the environment, which had provided the stimulus to the ONE.
    Corollarily, a resolution mcan manifest if the ONE 'cosmic inhabitant' could decide to eliminate herhis own 'lightness within' to manifest hisher 'darkness without' in the ONE's disappearance of its body form into the spacetime continuum of its previously encountered environment.
    A combination of those potential manifestations of anyONEs possible resolutions of the dichotomy reality can then be expressed in many semantics such as the 'final conflict' between the Old World and the New World or the apocalyptic agendas of a Christ-Antchrist duality.

    In the annals of the Thuban Council of the Logos of Creation, the following stipulation on the distribution of information accessible to the 'soul consciousness' as function of data access or 'remembrance-recall' can be found:

    1. Definition of Consciousness Awareness Quantum: Eps=1/e*=1/2e√alpha(me/mP)=1/2Rec2 as primal energy (spirit) Electromagnetic Monopolar Charge Quantum.

    2. All universal memory is stored as such 'special awareness' quanta in units of 'soul memory' and collected in universal subspace integrals (morphs-bodies-merkabahs).

    3. Within a morph, the distribution of the 'soul remembrance' as data recall is 3-tiered in 343=7x7x7 parts as:
    'Waking Consciousness'=WakeC=287/343=83.673% and 'Sub-Consciousness'=SubC=49/343=14.286% and 'Super-Consciousness'=SuperC=7/343=2.041%

    4. Any redistribution between WakeC, SubC and SuperC from this normal distribution becomes a individualized function of the individuated morph defined across all dimensions as 'spacetime awareness quanta' defined in pre spacetimed quantum geometric universal 'construction units' or 'building blocks'.

    5. The original construction units are defined in modular duality between high frequency vibrating supermembranes and low frequency winding supermembranes in models of dichotomy, such as 'darkness of low vibration/energy' and 'lightness of high vibration/energy'.

    6. An individualized and universally evolving 'soul remembrance' so universally engages in a dynamic of information processing, which is itself derived from the stimulus provided by the environments the 'individuated soul' encounters in its evolvement.

    7. This evolvement of the cosmic entity redistributes the proportionality between the WakeC, SubC and SuperC as a function of the experienced environmental stimuli and within a necessary modular equality, as precisely half or 50% between the 'darkness'' and the 'lightness' .

    8. A redefinition of a maleness-yang = 50% || femaleness-yin = 50% original universal distribution as a malefemale-yangyin = 50% || femalemale-yinyang = 50% 'cosmic demographic' preserves the original necessitated wave-particular and metaphysical ontological - physical cosmological definition of the ONE, but allows the 'war of the sexes' in a 'sexist' battle between the 'patriarchy of the creator' and the 'matriarchy of the creation' to become reconciled in a 'doubling' of the cosmogonical cosmology in a retelling of an old story be to told as new.

    The Protest Against “Rape Culture” in Astrological Terms
    June 7, 2016

    Just when I thought that California law enforcement couldn’t get any crazier, a judge (who now faces a recall campaign) just gave a “slap-on-the-wrist” sentence to a Stanford athlete who raped an unconscious woman behind a dumpster. The crazy-making didn’t stop there, nor did it start there. The father of this young rapist wrote a statement and plea to the court in defense of his son that quickly become infamous. Nevermind the victim. Not exactly what we’d expect during the Sun’s conjunction to Venus, but then again Venus in youthful Gemini is travelling through the Underworld, not visible to us until July 13th (since April 30) and currently in an intensely grating Grand Mutable Cross.

    Shortly after that news, it was just broadcast that a student raped in a study abroad program in Puerto Rico is being held responsible for her being raped because she had been drinking when it happened and chose to follow a stranger onto a dark rooftop.

    For most of my life until fairly recently I had heard nothing about rape culture. I’ve been sitting by for a couple years watching people rage about this subject unsure as to whether I’ve wanted to participate in the conversation. It’s not that I don’t agree with how awful rape is and how sexist our legal system can be. It’s just that when it comes to rape there is always so much more that is not talked about that seems even more taboo than the topic itself. Perhaps we’ve made some progress by at least acknowledging that this happens on a massive scale. What I find equally appalling is the way that we have collectively been raped and beaten into submission as a species – men, women, children, and the animals we call food.

    Rape Culture is as old as the Gods

    When the American documentary Rape Culture came out in 1975, Saturn in Cancer was in a cardinal square with Pluto in Libra. Authority was being questioned as a whole, equal rights were suddenly demanded and feminism was gaining momentum. Women with great determination had come forward to illustrate the ways victims (primarily female) are often blamed for sexual assault and men who rape are given sympathy by society. They are often coddled by their parents and excused for their perverse behavior by close friends. In the late 70s, the normalization of sexual violence against women through the media was being challenged, as it is yet again by women all around the world.

    There was a bit of a gap between the late 70s and our present day in which rape was not so widely discussed. If ever a culture of rape would be seriously challenged by society in general it would be during Pluto/Dark Lord of the Underworld’s transit through Capricorn (2008-2023), sign of the patriarchy and long-standing traditions, no matter how crappy those traditions may happen to be.


    Eris, the small planet named after the Goddess of Discord and sister of Ares entered into a tight conjunction with the Great Awakener, Uranus in Aries, in mid-2015 that will last until mid-2017. The astronomer who discovered this dwarf planet originally wanted to name it Persephone, which would have connected it (and probably still does connect it) with the archetype of the goddess who was raped by Pluto and forced to become his bride and Queen of Hell. This may have a little something to do with the recent resurgence of the protest against rape, such as the huge protests in Brasil triggered by the rape of a 16 year old girl by 30 men. Although a slow moving planetary body with seeming little influence much of the time, when she’s finally got something to say it will be sharp – Eris is not the one you want to piss off.

    Saturn in Sagittarius (2014-2017) is about exposing the truth, no matter how ugly it is. If there will be justice to rape victims it’s going to increase during this transit because the truth about rape is coming out. What about “child molestation culture” since we’re going there with this collective protest? What about the crimes many of our popes, priests, and politicians have been known to commit? The Clintons have an extensive rape crime history behind them and yet still, Hillary is allowed to run for president. Don’t bother telling me that she represents the “Feminine”.

    Even Bernie Sanders who seems like the most benign candidate in support of human rights we have seen in ages was quoted from an alternative newspaper called Vermont Freeman in 1972, mentioning rape in a rather disturbing way:
    “A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously.”

    No. We need to get to bottom of this and get out of this Freudian rape fantasy mind-slip and there’s no time like now. Period. I’m sure this is preaching to the choir for most who are reading this post (if they can get past the Bernie quote), but I’m going to break it down further because, yeah…if everyone really understood these concepts so well we wouldn’t have such horrific rape statistics.

    Education and Soulutions

    Male or female, it starts with taking responsibility for our own actions – not the actions of others. An attractive woman wears a mini skirt? So what. Admire beauty and move on. If she didn’t ask you for sex, then you have no right to so much as lay a finger on her OR project your sick fantasies on to her. Be a decent human being and if you are really hot and bothered go fap at home. Oh, a random woman is lying unconscious on the side of the road? You might dial 911 if you had a conscious.
    Stop telling boys it’s ok to have sex with whoever they want and show them how to be a real man. Stop telling girls they should be polite no matter what, always look pretty and stay within the parameters of the activities that are designed just for them. Boys and girls are not necessarily told these things by their parents but they copy what they see on television.

    Here’s the real kicker – our children are led by more by example than with our words. In this case, words be damned.

    Many women have never been shown how to defend themselves, but even some of those who have, have been cornered and bullied by more than one rapist at a time. Some women even put themselves in harm’s way, because they abandoned themselves long before a rape even occurred. They learned self-loathing from their upbringing. That’s really sad indeed. We should not humiliate and punish them further but provide them with education, refuge, a chance for healing and recovery.

    Women, myself included need to stop apologizing for trivial things (the list is endless, but especially expressing a strong opinion that offends someone – oops!) or things they have no control over (like having a menstrual cycle). This might seem irrelevant but it is actually directly related to our attitudes about rape, which happens to men, women, and children mentally, emotionally, and spiritually just as much as it happens physically, if not more so. Who and what are we catering to with our endless apologies and subdued energy that stifles our creativity and life force?

    We don’t talk about the ways that we as a society have been psychologically raped, either because we’re ignorant of that fact or it’s too painful for us. Most of us were not shown how to love and respect ourselves, let alone others. Obviously our cultural sense of sympathy and empathy is all screwed up and backward.
    With Venus and Mars (Mars Retrograde in Scorpio) both currently plummeting the realms of darkness, there is noticeable conflict between love and the passions. We’ve been experiencing confusion, and witnessing so much cruelty in the world for the past couple of weeks.

    I’m not a “feminist” by man’s definition of the word and didn’t expect to publicly share my 0.02 on this topic. Since I’ve been hearing and seeing so many people talking about it lately I figured it might be an appropriate time to chime in.

    The Black Moon Lilith entered Scorpio on May 21, 2016 where she is at her most dark, dangerous, and potent, with a force much like that of the Hindu goddess Kali Ma. During this transit until late February 2017 the power of sex to heal and destroy will become even more evident. We may come face-to-face our hidden wounds and shadows and hopefully take steps toward re-integrating the aspects of ourselves that have been fractured due to rape or other trauma.

    Neptune and Mars Retrograde, illusions about rape

    Neptune Turns RETROGRADE June 13 @ 1:42 pm PDT/4:42 pm EDT/ 8:42 pm GMT
    indicating a reinventing, re-examination of our dreams, illusions, delusions, our addictions and creative projects until November 19th when Neptune turns DIRECT at 9 degrees PISCES square to the Fixed Star Antares- the rival of Mars. Then there will be a lot of power to fight for our dreams.
    The chart for that moment shows a Very powerful YOD or what’s known as a Finger of God, Yes, like God’s finger pointing to MARS, Retrograde in SCORPIO sign of sex, money power and secrets, meaning this is what we need to pay attention to.

    The YOD is comprised of URANUS, the God who stole Fire from the Gods, the revolutionary freedom loving planet who has joined forces with ERIS the Goddess of DISCORD, very powerfully at 23+ degrees ARIES. This is a major shit disturbing aspect.

    The two are in a sextile {60 degrees} to The SUN @ 23 degrees GEMINI and Venus is also involved at 25 degrees GEMINI and these four “planets” SUN VENUS URANUS and ERIS are all pointing their finger at Mars Retrograde @ 23+ degrees SCORPIO.

    The first relevant story to reflect this intense energy is the Brock Turner rape story and the ridiculously lenient sentence he was given because he is white privileged boy. It has just come out that the vile guy will be out after only 3 months in Jail.​
    RAPE of a Sabine by Giambologna in Florence Italy
    I was guided to look for symbols for 24 degrees Aries I went through the Sabian symbols, John Sandbach’s symbols and finally found the Kozminsky symbols, not as well known but here is the revelation for that 24 degree of ARIES.

    24º Aries: “A youth grasping a beautiful woman, who turns into a skeleton in his arms. Denotes one who may lose his way following his desires. He is highly passionate, and allows himself to be shaken by his senses as the wind shakes the autumn leaves. He is then apt to grow selfish, and to disregard the feelings and rights of others, with consequences bringing to him death, defeat, and disaster. It is a symbol of Illusion.”

    Also at this Neptune Retrograde LILITH is at 2 degrees of Scorpio and on the Ascendant in Toronto. Lilith in SCORPIO is hell hath no fury like a woman raped. Lilith in SCORPIO, the first woman, God’s left hand side and bride she is the DEATH GODDESS, like KALI, who will not compromise to any man and who knows her power as Divine Creatress of all, and who has nothing to do with Adam or any man who doesn’t respect her is rising in her power.

    The Goddess VENUS is in the LIGHT the power the strength of the SUN, exposing the Male shadows of rape, deceit, secrets, hatred and fear of the Goddess. ERIS is a warrior Goddess, the uninvited 13th and most powerful Fairy. As the Goddess, the Divine Feminine gathers her strength, there will be a global upswelling of women who are angry and will force re-education of men, a change in terms of how laws are used to protect the victims not the perpetrators. There are also good men, like the two Swedish men who stopped the rapist, who respect women and who know what is right and what is wrong. Jeff Brown, the Canadian writer wrote his apology to the Divine Feminine and is encouraging men to learn how to embrace honor and respect women.

    The ugly swaggering macho Donald Trump who is a racist and a sexist misogynist must be stopped and labelled the pig that he is and they are. CIRCE the Ancient Goddess and one who I have always felt very strongly connected to turned Ulysses men into real pigs for their own lower instincts.

    Just discovered this after hitting Publish 600 witches collectively hexed Brock his father and the judge on Tuesday at 10:00 pm

    Women must take back their own power. Hillary Clinton as much as I do not like her politics, is still a woman taking power in the world and that carries a real and symbolic meaning.
    Mercury in Taurus now is governed by Venus. Women must proclaim their truth- Taurus rules the throat and they need to make their collective voices heard. Saturn in SAGittarius at 12 degrees Retrograde, which rules higher education, judges, and the law, exactly squares Neptune now. With Jupiter, Planet of Higher law, sacred Law, in Virgo,who rules both Pisces and Sagittarius at the 15th and strongest degree, points our attention to woman and what we have harvested. Virgo is the Ancient Virgin Goddess, whole and complete unto herself under no man’s authority, the way it was from the beginning of time.

    The gap between what we imagine as a spiritual reverence for all life- Neptune in Pisces and the reality- Saturn in Sagittarius squared by Jupiter in Virgo- also keeping it real- can be shocking! We have been asleep with Neptune in Pisces and are waking up after thousands of years of patriarchal abuse to fight the good fight and rebalance our world so that the Sacred marriage can become real..
    Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune are still in the Mutable GRAND CROSS with Venus and the SUN. The Goddess Venus/Inanna the Great Queen is still in her dark phase behind the SUN and she is preparing for her rebirth as an evening star and will be visible from behind the Sun in early August as the beautiful evening Wishing Star again.

    While Mars Retrograde in Scorpio is at the Apex of this Finger wagging Yod we see again the full extent of the secret cabals of power. The judge who gave the lenient sentence to Brock now has half a million signatures calling for his resignation.

    The battle between the sexes is getting stronger. Many new masculine men know their place to honor the feminine and to re-educate overly testosterone driven men into honoring the Goddess to earn her love. Fathers must also teach their sons to respect women. The whole culture needs to change. That is what URANUS and ERIS. are bringing. We take for granted all the ways woman are seen as objects of sexual gratification for men, because there has been indoctrination for thousands of years sanctioned by religion.

    What do you think?

    {The Thuban Council thinks that you are rather naïve, underinformed and deluded when you are trying to address global politics and international affairs - your competence in astroanalysis notwithstanding.
    Now do you include muslims in that comment or only white men from the west?}

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    Why Don’t Jews Believe In Jesus?


    Jewish Beliefs About Jesus And Jews For Jesus
    For 2,000 years, Jews have rejected
    the Christian idea of Jesus as messiah. Why?

    It is important to understand why Jews don’t believe in Jesus. The purpose is not to disparage other religions, but rather to clarify the Jewish position. The more data that’s available, the better-informed choices people can make about their spiritual path.

    (What exactly is the Messiah?)

    1. Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
    2. Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
    3. Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
    4. Jewish belief is based on national revelation.

    1. At the end of this article, we will examine these additional topics:
    2. Christianity contradicts Jewish theology
    3. Jews and Gentiles
    4. Bringing the Messiah

    What exactly is the Messiah?

    The word “Messiah” is an English rendering of the Hebrew word “Mashiach”, which means “Anointed.” It usually refers to a person initiated into God’s service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, I Kings 1:39, II Kings 9:3)
    Since every King and High Priest was anointed with oil, each may be referred to as “an anointed one” (a Mashiach or a Messiah). For example: “God forbid that I [David] should stretch out my hand against the Lord’s Messiah [Saul]...” (I Samuel 26:11. Cf. II Samuel 23:1, Isaiah 45:1, Psalms 20:6)
    Where does the Jewish concept of Messiah come from? One of the central themes of Biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Isaiah 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)
    Many of these prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)
    Since every King is a Messiah, by convention, we refer to this future anointed king as The Messiah. The above is the only description in the Bible of a Davidic descendant who is to come in the future. We will recognize the Messiah by seeing who the King of Israel is at the time of complete universal perfection.


    What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
    A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
    B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
    C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
    D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
    The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
    Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.​



    Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets—Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.
    Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.​

    According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (1) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.
    The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father—and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David! (2)

    The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot (commandments) remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
    Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. (see John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37) For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"​


    Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text—which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.​

    The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.​

    The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."​

    Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."
    In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. The Torah is filled with examples of the Jewish nation referred to with a singular pronoun.
    Ironically, Isaiah’s prophecies of persecution refer in part to the 11th century when Jews were tortured and killed by Crusaders who acted in the name of Jesus.
    From where did these mistranslations stem? St. Gregory, 4th century Bishop of Nazianzus, wrote: "A little jargon is all that is necessary to impose on the people. The less they comprehend, the more they admire."
    For further reading on the "suffering servant":


    Of the 15,000 religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation—i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He’ll tell everyone, not just one person.
    Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God’s true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.
    Judaism, unique among all of the world’s major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).
    Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):​

    The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone’s belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.
    What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others… as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you…" The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us—who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)​

    Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.
    arrow-grey-sharp. See "Did God Speak at Mount Sinai" for further reading.​


    The following theological points apply primarily to the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination.​

    The Catholic idea of Trinity breaks God into three separate beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).
    Contrast this to the Shema, the basis of Jewish belief: "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4). Jews declare the Shema every day, while writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and binding it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of God’s One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last words uttered before a Jew dies.
    In Jewish law, worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry—one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress. This explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert.​
    B. MAN AS GOD?

    Roman Catholics believe that God came down to earth in human form, as Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
    Maimonides devotes most of the "Guide for the Perplexed" to the fundamental idea that God is incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal, above time. He is Infinite, beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die. Saying that God assumes human form makes God small, diminishing both His unity and His divinity. As the Torah says: "God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19).
    Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents, and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, and will not possess supernatural qualities. In fact, an individual is alive in every generation with the capacity to step into the role of the Messiah. (see Maimonides - Laws of Kings 11:3)​

    The Catholic belief is that prayer must be directed through an intermediary—i.e. confessing one’s sins to a priest. Jesus himself is an intermediary, as Jesus said: "No man cometh unto the Father but by me."
    In Judaism, prayer is a totally private matter, between each individual and God. As the Bible says: "God is near to all who call unto Him" (Psalms 145:18). Further, the Ten Commandments state: "You shall have no other gods BEFORE ME," meaning that it is forbidden to set up a mediator between God and man. (see Maimonides - Laws of Idolatry ch. 1)​

    Catholic doctrine often treats the physical world as an evil to be avoided. Mary, the holiest woman, is portrayed as a virgin. Priests and nuns are celibate. And monasteries are in remote, secluded locations.
    By contrast, Judaism believes that God created the physical world not to frustrate us, but for our pleasure. Jewish spirituality comes through grappling with the mundane world in a way that uplifts and elevates. Sex in the proper context is one of the holiest acts we can perform.
    The Talmud says if a person has the opportunity to taste a new fruit and refuses to do so, he will have to account for that in the World to Come. Jewish rabbinical schools teach how to live amidst the bustle of commercial activity. Jews don’t retreat from life, we elevate it.​


    Judaism does not demand that everyone convert to the religion. The Torah of Moses is a truth for all humanity, whether Jewish or not. King Solomon asked God to heed the prayers of non-Jews who come to the Holy Temple (Kings I 8:41-43). The prophet Isaiah refers to the Temple as a "House for all nations."
    The Temple service during Sukkot featured 70 bull offerings, corresponding to the 70 nations of the world. The Talmud says that if the Romans would have realized how much benefit they were getting from the Temple, they’d never have destroyed it.
    Jews have never actively sought converts to Judaism because the Torah prescribes a righteous path for gentiles to follow, known as the "Seven Laws of Noah." Maimonides explains that any human being who faithfully observes these basic moral laws earns a proper place in heaven.
    For further study of the Seven Laws of Noah:
    arrow-grey-sharp. The Seven Laws of Noah


    Maimonides states that the popularity of Christianity (and Islam) is part of God’s plan to spread the ideals of Torah throughout the world. This moves society closer to a perfected state of morality and toward a greater understanding of God. All this is in preparation for the Messianic age.
    Indeed, the world is in desperate need of Messianic redemption. War and pollution threaten our planet; ego and confusion erode family life. To the extent we are aware of the problems of society, is the extent we will yearn for redemption. As the Talmud says, one of the first questions a Jew is asked on Judgment Day is: "Did you yearn for the arrival of the Messiah?"
    How can we hasten the coming of the Messiah? The best way is to love all humanity generously, to keep the mitzvot of the Torah (as best we can), and to encourage others to do so as well.
    Despite the gloom, the world does seem headed toward redemption. One apparent sign is that the Jewish people have returned to the Land of Israel and made it bloom again. Additionally, a major movement is afoot of young Jews returning to Torah tradition.
    The Messiah can come at any moment, and it all depends on our actions. God is ready when we are. For as King David says: "Redemption will come today—if you hearken to His voice."
    by Rabbi Shraga Simmons
    Largely adapted from​

    Jewish-Christian Disputations

    Moses Nachmanides and The
    Debate in Barcelona, Spain, 1263

    The most famous of all Jewish-Christian disputations was between the apostate Jew Pablo Christiani and Moses Nachmanides (the Ramban).
    Nachmanides argued that the central issue separating Christianity and Judaism was not the issue of Jesus’ messiahship, but whether or not Jesus was divine. There was no basis in Judaism, Nachmanides said, for believing in the divinity of the Messiah or, indeed, of any man. To Nachmanides, it seemed most strange "that the Creator of heaven and earth resorted to the womb of a certain Jewess and grew there for nine months and was born as an infant, and afterwards grew up and was betrayed into the hands of his enemies who sentenced him to death and executed him, and that afterwards… he came to life and returned to his original place. The mind of a Jew, or any other person, cannot tolerate this." Nachmanides told the Spanish monarch, "You have listened all your life to priests who have filled your brain and the marrow of your bones with this doctrine, and it has settled with you because of that accustomed habit." Had King James heard these ideas propounded for the first time when he was already an adult, Nachmanides implied, he never would have accepted them.

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    A Tale of Two Hermes
    Mercury in the Charts of Trump and Hillary

    By Glenn Perry

    It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity…
    The opening lines of Dicken’s immortal A Tale of Two Cities remind me of the “messaging and spin” received from the two candidates for the upcoming presidential election. As we all know, Hermes was the messenger God of Greek mythology, later renamed Mercury by the Romans. Adaptive and cunning, Hermes moved swiftly between the world of man and the world of gods, acting as a messenger and link between mortals and Olympians. If we substitute “Washington politics” for “the world of gods”, then Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump’s Mercury may well be serving the same function―delivering messages from on high to mortals (voters) below.
    But what a difference in the messengers! The contrast between the two Mercurys could not be starker, the one being as loose as a leaf in the wind, the other buttoned up tighter than Fort Knox. In the remainder of this essay, we will explore the Mercury function in Trump and Clinton’s birth charts. Each Mercury plays the role of messenger, explaining to the American populace the values and intentions of the candidate it represents.
    Mercury’s sign position answers two fundamental questions: how and what. It tell us how the message will be delivered, and it discloses something of what the message will be. The house position of Mercury reveals where the message originates and the circumstances toward which it is predominantly directed, and its aspects suggest the influences to which Mercury will be subjected via its relations with other planetary functions.

    Donald Trump
    Trump5. Trump’s Mercury resides in Cancer in the 11th squaring Neptune in Libra in the 2nd. To understand the Donald’s Mercury, we have to take into account other chart factors, especially planets Mercury disposes. With his Sun and Uranus in Gemini, there is an enormous amount of mental energy channeled to Mercury. Picture a gas powered pressure washer funneling information down a tube with tremendous intensity to Mercury. But Mercury’s nozzle is in Cancer, which restricts and spreads the outflow, rendering it more like a high pressured spray than a sharp, incisive stream.

    Donald Trump: Jun 14, 1946, 10:54 am, Jamaica, New York
    Trump’s Mercury in Cancer speaks in a way that is more impressionistic than factual. An impressionistic style is based on subjective reactions presented unsystematically, and may entail memories, moods, and images that spontaneously come to mind. This is certainly characteristic of Cancer, which perceives emotionally through sympathetic rapport rather than intellectually through words that correspond to concrete data.

    Imagine yourself observing a carnival from its center. There are sounds and smells, screams and laughter, a rush of movement with dazzling lights and people of all ages mingling together in a festive, joyous swirl. So many senses are involved, so many impressions formed simultaneously, that the final mix is more of a gut sense than an empirical analysis. If asked to describe the carnival, you might say: “Wow, it was an amazing experience. This is a great, great carnival, with rides and lots of other things, too. Really, incredible. Maybe the best carnival ever. And I mean that, folks. Believe me.” That’s Cancer. If it feels good, it is good.
    If Mercury were in Gemini, all those impressions would be sorted out and classified into a clear description. The view is more objective, preferably from the periphery of the carnival. The carnival now becomes an assortment of several different types of rides, some favored more than others, with a strong smell of cotton candy in the air, and one girl in particular who is throwing up after being on the roller coaster, which looks rather old. “This is a medium sized carnival that originated in Chicago,” you might observe, “with 7 different rides featuring an excellent carousel, 22 booths including a Balloon and Darts game, five proprietors that offer junk food, and the people seem moderately happy. As a carnival, it’s fairly average.” Factual, specific, clear; that’s Gemini.

    As mentioned, Trump’s Sun-Uranus in Gemini gets funneled to Mercury in Cancer. Cancer is the mouthpiece that filters his words and gives them an emotional tone. When Trump speaks, it’s more suggestive of information than clearly articulated facts and data. There’s a wink and nod, a shrugging of shoulders, a sudden gesticulation with hands and a torrent of folksy words conveying feelings and impressions. For most people, there’s enough information to follow, but you get a feel for the man’s attitude more than a clear understanding of a plan he’s going to implement.

    That’s ultimately what Trump is communicating―an attitude, a state of mind that says, “I can return this country to the glory of yesteryear.” Trump loves to speak in superlatives. “We’re going to build a great, great wall…I’ll be the best job’s president God ever created…the people of Arizona are fantastic people…our politicians are completely incompetent…Hillary is the worst Secretary of State this country ever had.” Superlatives are an evaluative response―great, best, fantastic, completely, worst―that communicate whether something (or someone) feels good or bad. Again, these are not facts, they are feelings.
    It is worth noting that Trump also has Saturn conjunct Venus in Cancer. His over the top Mars in Leo Ascendant bombast, and his garrulous gaffe-a-minute Gemini-Sagittarius opposition get most of the attention. So it’s easy to miss the importance of Cancer. Yet, with three planets in Cancer in the 11th this is the main theme of the Trump revolution. The 11th house is where we join with others of like mind for a common cause. The pro-Trump movement is decidedly Cancerian. It’s about wanting to reverse America’s decline, tighten our borders, and restore our national identity as one big family―a family that transcends the racial divisiveness that accentuates differences rather than reconciling them.

    With Mercury Cancer in the 11th, his thinking is tied in to the collective, sensing their feelings, needs, and wants. In his acceptance speech for the republican nomination, Trump trumpeted, “I am your voice!” He declares that he’s a messenger of the people, a spokesperson for a movement to “take our country back and make American great again.” Note the Cancerian emphasis on precedents, foundations, roots. We’re going back to what works so we can be great again. Cancer is populist, patriotic fervor and longing for a past where people felt connected in a country with clear borders and strong family ties. That’s what Trump is talking about.

    Mercury Cancer in the 11th answers the question of what he thinks and where it originates. He talks about the homeland (Cancer) because he intuits that taking American back is the people’s cause (11th). Whereas Cancer honors the past, the 11th house concerns the future and what we are evolving toward. “We need to put America first and get back to the future,” says Mercury Cancer in the 11th.
    The final piece of the puzzle is Mercury’s closing square to Neptune. Whereas Cancer is an impressionistic, subtle, suggestive, indirect, and emotionally evocative style of speech, its square to Neptune gives it a wobbly, fuzzy quality, as if he is just making things up as he goes along, playing fast and loose with the facts. This is due to the nature of Neptune, which symbolizes the collective unconscious. Neptune is the repository of dreams, fantasies, and ideals that have no boundary precisely because they reside in an intangible, transcendent sphere accessible only by the imagination. When Trump makes a policy statement, he is not making a promise, but conveying an aspiration. The danger with Mercury-Neptune is that facts and imaginings get mixed up together, resulting in a tendency toward wishful thinking―or, if one is not careful, outright denial of what is factually true.

    Trump-Speaking-300x200. A closing square is a Capricorn angle that requires the planets work together for the sake of a joint goal, but the challenge is always control. Given that Neptune’s nature is to surrender, let go, and give in, control is especially difficult. Neptune is the antithesis of control; it is a dissolving of boundaries, a melting into a liquid state of flow. If Mercury is unable to control Neptune’s input, Trump’s thinking is apt to be flooded with images, intuitions, and extraneous information that has no obvious relationship to the topic at hand. Imagine trying to sort mail into proper trays in an anti-gravity chamber; everything is floating about and nothing stays put. Trump’s speech is sometimes like that. He has a tendency to go off on tangents with loosely associated thoughts pulling him in different directions.
    A funny example of Trump’s tangential thinking is his comments on the Iran nuclear deal during a campaign rally in South Carolina on July 21, 2015.

    Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.

    A simple translation would be: “I believe the Iran Deal is bad for the United States,” but the structure of his thought falls apart because he cannot control the inflow of memories and associations that overwhelm his syntax. The result is a muddled word salad, a stream of consciousness, unedited, digressive, fragmented, like a dream that unfolds chaotically; yet, the meaning embedded within the tangle of words, innuendos and reminiscences somehow seeps through. While this is clearly an extreme example of Trump’s speaking style, it illustrates the challenge of Mercury square Neptune.

    It is also worth considering that when he is speaking at a political rally it is off the cuff and not necessarily the way he thinks through problems that require clear analysis and practical solutions. In a business environment, his thinking might still be largely intuitive (Neptune), but he obviously gets the job done. His success in construction and real estate is clear testimony to that. Perhaps when speaking extemporaneously in front of large crowds he is more anxious than we realize. I suspect Trump prefers dialogue with another person because the other serves as an anchor. If you observe Trump being interviewed, he’s focused and coherent, even charming. But left to his own devices, he goes off the rails pretty quickly.

    Trump_tower-225x300. To whatever extent Trump’s Mercury-Neptune square can be utilized effectively, it is likely to have positive effects in the 2nd house. This is where we accumulate and secure holdings, as in wealth creation. Neptune here suggests his sense of possibility vis-à-vis prosperity is as infinite as his imagination allows. “I like thinking big,” Trump says, “If you’re going to be thinking anything, you might as well think big.”[1] Neptune symbolizes the infinite and eternal, the One, the Absolute; it’s hard to think bigger than that. Trump reminds me of the Kevin Costner character in the 1989 film Field of Dreams. Costner hears a voice in his head, “If you build it, they will come.” Trump did build it, 17 Trump Towers spread all over the world, and they did come: more than $74 million in real estate licensing deals and $823.3 million worth of real estate in joint ventures.[2]

    To some degree at least, that speaks for itself.

    Neptune’s location also symbolizes where a person is likely to feel a sense of compassion and a desire to relieve suffering. When Trump talks about the poor, about people who lost their jobs because their companies relocated outside the U.S. to employ cheap labor, about the lack of jobs in inner cities for economically impoverished black Americans, this is Mercury square Neptune in the 2nd talking. However much one might disagree with his tone or strategy, Trump says he wants to save jobs, renegotiate better trade deals, get the economy moving again, lift people out of poverty, and elevate prosperity for everyone. In the most positive sense, this reflects the aspect at hand.

    There is little reason to doubt his sincerity. Given Trump’s extraordinary wealth and extensive business holdings, it is certainly not in his economic self-interest to spend the next four to eight years helping other people become wealthy. Yet, questions remain as to whether he has the competence and experience to do what he says.

    Hillary Clinton
    In every conceivable way except, perhaps, her tendency toward prevarication, Hillary Clinton’s Mercury is different than Donald Trumps. Whereas Trump puts his foot in his mouth on an almost daily basis, Hillary is so tightlipped it’s questionable she can get a straw in there. Infamous for not liking questions she cannot prepare for in advance, Clinton has avoided doing any press conferences for nine months, unprecedented during a presidential campaign.[3]

    Hillary Clinton: Oct 26, 1947, 8:02 am, Chicago, IL
    Hillary’s reticence is not surprising in light of her Mercury in Scorpio conjunct the Ascendant, just outside the 1st house. While its closeness to the Ascendant might suggest spontaneity in her willingness to speak her mind, its tenancy of Scorpio and exact square to Saturn (within 5’ of arc) indicates otherwise. This is a Mercury with all the spontaneity and transparency of a bomb shelter. Keenly aware of the human propensity for evil, Scorpio is notorious for its vigilance, guardedness, and general suspicion. Hillary has her Sun, Venus, and Ascendant in Scorpio as well. That’s a lot of backup for any inclination Mercury might have to anticipate that others will be less than trustworthy.

    Mercury in Scorpio tends to think in ways that are penetrating. It probes beneath the surface for information that is hidden. Concealed Information is concealed because it is associated with power and vulnerability. For example, if a foreign national wanted an illicit favor from Hillary as Secretary of State, she might subtly suggest he make a financial contribution to her private Foundation via a Canadian front group set up to shield the donors’ identity, as was reported in the New York Times.[4] The ultimate goal of Scorpio is to facilitate transformation by integrating disparate elements into a functional whole. In the helping professions this constitutes healing, but in the political-financial world it entails making connections and putting together deals that are mutually empowering. Often, however, there is substantial risk involved. Given the stakes, secrecy is warranted.

    What we do to survive is one of the meanings associated with 1st house factors. With Mercury in Scorpio on the Ascendant, Hillary may instinctively feel that knowledge is power and must be zealously guarded for the sake of her own survival. The square to Saturn seems to underscore a need for information control. If integrated, Mercury square Saturn would correlate to a serious, disciplined approach to learning, combining knowledge with authority so that over time the person rises to a position of distinction in a particular field of knowledge.
    Saturn’s placement in the 9th suggests mastery of the legal justice system. As a graduate of Yale Law School, this is precisely what Hillary achieved. And given that Scorpio pertains to the world of corporate finance, she was appointed the first female chair of the Legal Services Corporation in 1978, and has subsequently served on multiple corporate boards, the most recent being the Clinton Foundation―a philanthropic organization dedicated to various causes throughout the world.
    If there is a message to the populace in all this, it’s that Hillary signifies the status quo, and that she will use her power and connections to assure that the downtrodden, persecuted, and disempowered are protected by the legal justice system. Of course, this means appointing liberal Judges to the Supreme Court that further assure Obama’s plan to “fundamentally transform America” will continue unabated. The show must go on.

    But there’s a dark side to Hillary’s Mercury that suggests the country will be subject to endless intrigues and allegations of corruption if she is elected, for such has followed Hillary for virtually her entire professional career. This seems to reflect, at least in part, an ongoing struggle between Mercury and its exact square to Saturn.
    If I were to offer a generic interpretation of an unintegrated Mercury square Saturn, I would say the native is apt to feel that her knowledge is insufficient to achieve professional goals. She might overcompensate for perceived deficiencies, while struggling to keep at bay expected criticism from superiors. Mercury’s sign position of Scorpio adds a furtive, sneaky dimension to the mix. Imagine a 5th grader with a cheat sheet as she enters the classroom for an important test. She is anxious to succeed, but worried she’ll fail. She eyes the teacher warily, anticipating she could be under suspicion.

    Saturn corresponds to delays, obstructions, and barriers. In hard aspect to Mercury this can indicate not only frustration in obtaining required knowledge, but also stonewalling, as in delaying tactics and other attempts to stall or refuse to release information. The opening square is a Cancer aspect requiring containment; that is, holding in awareness contradictory planetary impulses so that their expression is sensitively attuned to the situation. Given that Hillary’s Mercury Scorpio makes an opening square to Saturn, there is no better expression of the configuration than Hillary’s private server in the basement of her own home―a black box containing top secret information over which she endeavors to maintain complete control.
    Hillary’s private server in her basement is an apt metaphor not only for her style of communication―guarded, cautious, opaque―but on a deeper level for the scheming and machinations to which she is allegedly prone. A campaign is a specifically 9th house activity that involves a selling of the candidate herself; that is, her ideas, beliefs, and sense of right and wrong. Republican strategist Karl Rove writes,

    Hillary Clinton’s campaign is in many respects a machine. It relentlessly raises money, methodically runs the ground game and ceaselessly moves her from venue to venue, each event indistinguishable from the next…when it comes to messaging, the campaign and its principal operate with crafty prevarication.[5]

    This is an excellent description of Mercury Scorpio on the Ascendant square Saturn Leo in the 9th. Rove employs two metaphors, like a machine (Saturn-like machinations), and runs the ground game, a football reference conveying a grinding, relentless, no frills attack, which is consistent with Mercury on the Ascendant (assert, compete) square Saturn (grinding, relentless). And when Rove says her messaging operates with “crafty prevarication,” we know he’s seeing Scorpio.

    Any astrologer familiar with Mrs. Clinton can see her Mercury Scorpio square Saturn―the cagey, controlled style, the practiced delivery, the memorized speech, the disciplined stay-on-message professional politician. Hillary is often criticized as “inauthentic” because there’s such a glaring absence of spontaneity (precisely the opposite of Trump). When Clinton answers questions during interviews, her speech is measured and cautious, as if engaged in a chess match with a formidable opponent.

    Clinton-Cackle-300x225. She will smile and deploy colloquial speech patterns every few sentences to make it seem that she’s just regular folk who drops a “g” like the rest of us. “Well let me say this, Chuck, I’m just doin’ my best to get the word out.” But if asked a question that is too pointed, she is apt to throw her head back in a sudden spastic eruption of bone-chilling cackle, as if the question is just too ridiculous to be taken seriously. Of course, the subtext of her laughter is that she knows the question is incriminating and could expose something she does not want the questioner (or the people) to know. Her laughter is a reaction formation, compensating for the anger she harbors toward her interrogator. Pure Scorpio.

    The joke going around D.C. is that Hillary personifies the old Washington adage: “I prefer to tell the truth, it’s easier to memorize.” Her 11 hour testimony before the House Select Committee on Benghazi was textbook: evasive, mendacious, grinding, but highly effective in reciting the information she wished to convey. With Mercury conjunct Venus in Scorpio, she’s taken her natural diplomatic skills and turned mendacity into an art form. No one does it better. A recent CNN poll found that 68% of respondents said Clinton is not honest or trustworthy.[6] Yet, she’s ahead of Trump in all the polls. This alone is testament to her mastery (Saturn) of messaging (Mercury).
    The 9th house pertains to travel and foreign affairs in general. Saturn in the 9th would certainly be consistent with Hillary’s position as a former Secretary of State. She engaged in constant communications (Mercury) with foreign governments, heads of state, diplomats, dignitaries, and ambassadors, often around Scorpio matters pertaining to crises like Benghazi, as well as complex financial entanglements that governments have with one another.

    Another meaning of the 9th is philanthropy. A charitable organization like the Clinton Foundation depends on funds raised from donors, which implicates Scorpio (finance) again, as well as Mercury’s dispositor, Pluto, which along with Mars is conjunct Saturn. With all three 9th house planets squaring Mercury in Scorpio, the entire configuration looks like an aggressive fund raising machine that entails a plethora of politically sensitive communications with foreign donors. It also looks like an array of powerful adversaries bearing down on what she knows with the intent to expose her secrets and lies, or so they charge. In this latter regard, her Mercury looks like a castle under siege.
    For example, there is growing controversy over Hillary’s ties to the Clinton Foundation during her tenure within the Obama administration from 2009-2013. Evidence suggests that foreign and domestic corporations “sought to influence her decisions as secretary of state by making donations to the Clinton Foundation.”[7] Recent email disclosures make clear that Clinton’s aides granted certain individuals special access to Hillary because they were Clinton Foundation donors.[8]

    Suspicions intensified in March of 2015 when it was discovered that while Secretary of State Clinton used a private email server for official communications rather than federal servers that are secure. Asked why she would take the highly unusual step of having her own private server, since it contained top secret information that could be hacked by malicious actors, Clinton said it was “for convenience” and that she never received nor sent information that was classified. It was subsequently determined by the FBI that 113 of her emails contained information that was classified at the time it was sent to her, 65 of which were deemed “Secret” and 22 classified as “Top Secret.”

    Server, what server?

    More ominously, Clinton deleted over 30,000 emails from her private server after being informed that her records had been subpoenaed by Congress. Under penalty of perjury on August 8, 2015, Clinton swore before a U.S. District Court that the deleted emails merely pertained to family and friends, and that she had turned over all work-related emails to the State Department. Yet, last week the FBI recovered nearly 15,000 additional emails from her private server, “thousands” of which, according to FBI director James Comey, were work related and include evidence of coordination between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department.

    It now appears that her true reason for having a private server was to conceal such coordination. Suspicions are swirling about that Hillary was selling her influence as Secretary of State. Further, “It seems like the Clinton Foundation operates as a slush fund for the Clintons,” said Bill Allison, a senior fellow at the Sunlight Foundation, a government watchdog group.[9]

    With regard to the thousands of emails that were not recoverable, Clinton’s “lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery,” said FBI Director Comey. Apparently, Hillary’s team utilized a highly expensive technology called “BleachBit” that, according to the BleachBit website, “allows users to shred files to hide their contents and prevent data recovery.” This goes far beyond merely deleting emails. Yet, Comey later said at a press conference, “We found no evidence that any of the additional work-related e-mails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them.” Of course, if Clinton was intent to conceal them, it follows she would leave no evidence by which she could be indicted. Lack of evidence that a crime was committed is not evidence that a crime was not committed.
    In a subsequent interview with Fox News’ Chris Wallace in late July 2016, Wallace confronted Hillary with a video of her saying:

    I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified materials. I am confident that I never sent nor received any information that was classified at the time. I had not sent classified material nor received anything marked classified.
    Wallace pointed out that FBI Director Comey testified before Congress that none of those things she told the American public were true, even if there was not sufficient evidence to charge that she intentionally committed a crime.

    Recently released transcripts of her FBI interview, during which she was accompanied by four of her lawyers, reveal that she used the standard non-self-incriminating “I don’t recall” 40 times in response to even the most simple questions, such as “did you receive training for how to identify classified information?” Every lawyer knows that “I don’t recall” is code for signaling to the interviewer that no information will be forthcoming on that topic. Moreover, when asked to produce the 8 blackberries and 5 iPads on which she conducted government business, Clinton’s lawyers admitted they were either lost or had been destroyed with a hammer.

    On September 6 (today), based on new details revealed by the FBI this past Friday, there has been a request for an investigation into whether Mrs. Clinton is guilty of obstruction of justice and destruction of evidence pertinent to a congressional investigation.[10] New information is being released on an almost daily basis and no one knows where it will lead. This has got to feel like a nightmare without end for Hillary.
    It has been said that the truth fears no questions. Hillary’s FBI stonewalling and avoidance of the media (nine months since her last press conference) may not be attributable merely to Mercury in Scorpio. If Saturn signifies obstructions, its placement in the 9th and exact square to Mercury perfectly reflects the “obstruction of justice” of which Hillary is being accused. And “destroyed evidence” is an eerily fitting meaning of Mercury in Scorpio.

    A fascinating thing about birthcharts is that the same configuration that describes a psychological conflict also signifies an external predicament. In this regard, it would appear that Hillary’s Mercury not only anticipates that her survival depends on her capacity to conceal what she knows, it likewise describes the actual situation in which she finds herself: the subject of State Department investigations and FBI probes into her private server wherein all her communications are stored that pertain to her tenure as Secretary of State. Saturn-Pluto-Mars is an array of powerful others from the 9th house legal justice system intent on uncovering what she knows. Her Mercury in Scorpio is, in fact, under siege.
    Hillary’s backers are hoping she can survive until November 8. But if she does, it is questionable whether it will be to the country’s benefit. If there is a voice in Hillary’s head, it’s not likely one of divine inspiration (as in Field of Dreams), but merely the faint and distant echo of a guilty conscience.

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    [2] The Trump Organization at:
    [3] Cillizza, Chris. “It’s been 263 days since Hillary Clinton last held a press conference. That’s a dangerous precedent,” in The Washington Post, August 24, 2016
    [4] McIntire, M., and Becker, J. “Canadian Partnership Shielded Identities of Donors to Clinton Foundation,” in the New York Times, April 29, 2015, at:
    [5] Rove, Karl. “Shut Down the Clinton Foundation Already,” in the Wall Street Journal, Aug. 24, at:
    [6] “Hillary Clinton again tries to explain her comments about FBI email probe,” Aug. 5, 2016, in Los Angeles Times.
    [7] Hayes, Stephen. “Aiding and Abedin: The Clinton family favor factory,” in The Weekly Standard, September 5, 2016, p. 11.
    [8] Ibid, p. 12
    [9] Vincent, Isabel. “Charity watchdog: Clinton Foundation a ‘slush fund’, April 26, 2015, in:
    [10] Tau, Byron. “Jason Chaffetz Requests New Investigation into Clinton Email Deletion,” in The Wall Street Journal, September 6, 2016 at:

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    1. 0b6580187b5cc424611ef733ebc921c2?s=32&d=mm&r=g. Branimira Maldeghem says:
      September 11, 2016 at 11:23 am
      Another incisive piece to enjoy and contemplate upon! What I appreciated the most is the emphasis on the importance of ability to tell apart the message from the messanger. I think this is relevant for each situation but perhaps even more so when citizens delegate powers on their ‘elected representatives’ to make decisions and act on their behalf. The contrasting of the two different thinking and communication styles, through brilliantly elaborated astrological interpretation of the relevant factors in their birthcharts, demonstrates the value of astrology as a tool facilitating us to glance below the surface. It brings about greater awareness and transparency that could be valuable contribution to our own ‘filtering’ process when receiving political messages. I believe we tend to sympathize to different styles when it comes to messangers, but what should ultimately matter is the message, which hopefully we are able to hear loud and clear. Glenn Perry, for me you constantly excell yourself: in terms of clarity and depth of insights, brilliance of interpretations, thought provoking revelations and new subject areas for astrological exploration!
    2. 2777a9156f311ea585b4d49df2dcd80f?s=32&d=mm&r=g. loe' hansen says:
      September 10, 2016 at 2:21 pm
      Thank you Your analysis of both mindsets is very helpful.
    3. e207a22da17440eb1e2a067df313cd5e?s=32&d=mm&r=g. Tim Rubald says:
      September 8, 2016 at 9:45 am
      Mercury has achieved maximum elongation and begun retrograde motion (speed, 0°07′) at the time of Hillary’s 8:02 am birth. This to explain the “S” beside the Mercury glyph in the Perry published chart. By 8 pm Mercury had picked up a little speed and was moving at 0°11′ longitude. It is a retrograde Mercury. Trump’s Mercury is scooting away from the Sun in direct motion at a very fast speed of 1°52′. These factors also contribute to how Mercury functions in the charts. Sluggishly slow for Clinton reflects the extreme caution of her Mercury function while Mr. Verbal’s mouth can get way ahead of his thinking and reasoning functions.
      1. 5494afb25027e10c395ed12adb055aa4?s=32&d=mm&r=g. Glenn Perry says:
        September 8, 2016 at 10:33 am
        This is an interesting bit of additional information, though I don’t know how one could differentiate what you say is causal from more conventional factors impacting Mercury in Trump and Hillary’s charts. For example, Trump has Sun conjunct Uranus in Gemini opposed Moon in Sag, so obviously, as you say, Trump talks quickly and jumps to conclusions and so forth, all typical of Sun-Gemini opposed Moon-Sag.
    4. cd49b76571688c3bdfd086d7e66cd917?s=32&d=mm&r=g. Hillary Adrian says:
      September 8, 2016 at 2:24 am
      It will be very interesting to see who the American people choose for their next president. Whose Mercury character will be the mind, heart and voice of the people for the next 4 or more years? You have surely given us some excellent details to contemplate. Thank you, Glenn.
    5. 8bfd634ba84a590dbb0a27391f51987e?s=32&d=mm&r=g. Cindy Chamberlin says:
      September 7, 2016 at 9:20 pm
      As always, wonderful analysis and psychological depth of understanding..
    6. e38802c4e174ff083527349edcac3cbe?s=32&d=mm&r=g. Celia Marion says:
      September 7, 2016 at 8:40 pm
      I enjoyed your usually clear and informative analysis of each! Nicely balanced presentation too.
    7. 7c327bb15c65c0e213de47d7dc9cfa7a?s=32&d=mm&r=g. Lilith says:
      September 7, 2016 at 3:19 pm
      Hillary has The Dark Moon Lilith conjunct her progressed Sun and Mercury both Square Neptune …Nothing good could come from that!
    8. 6876c1ff7fa42ab04e12d5bca934af53?s=32&d=mm&r=g. Judith Harte says:
      September 7, 2016 at 11:13 am
      Great impressions/descriptions of our political candidates styles!
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