The Alpha Draconians And The Creation Of The Starhuman

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    The Wes Penre Papers
    (A Journey Through the Multiverse)

    The Third Level of Learning
    [http://wespenre.com]

    The Third Level of Learning Paper #6: The Alpha Draconians and the Creation of the Starhuman Part II
    by Wes Penre, Wednesday, March 6, 2013 (http://wespenre.com)

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    Table of Contents:

    ]I. Abstract
    II. The Final Alpha Draconian Thread, Broadcast from the Council of Thuban in the 12th Dimension of the VOID


    III. The Vortex Between the Universe and the VOID Closes and Abraxas Trapped in the 4% Universe

    IV. Epilogue


    II. Abstract

    This is Part II in the series about the Alpha Draconians who say they reside in the 12th Dimensions and are here to help us with the Harvesting of Souls. Before you read this paper, it's crucial that you first read Part I, which can be obtained here: http://wespenre.com/3/paper05-alpha-draconians-and-the-creation-of-the-starhuman.htm.

    This paper is the culmination and the answer to the questions, "Who are these channeled entities and what are they doing here?" "What is the Harvest all about? Is that what I should aim for?" And, "Is there and agenda behind all this channeled stuff?"

    When you read this, your emotions will probably be all over the place, and for a while you may not know what to think. Whatever you do, please read it all the way to the end! If you don't, you will not get the full picture. Those who have read Part I and fully understood it may think that the first questions asked by the forum member Sollve may sound basic, but in fact, she is triggering quite a few good answers from the Dragon. More people will have inputs and Abraxas is answering their questions faithfully, because that's her mission here.
    Then, suddenly, the vortex is closing between the 12th Dimension, which exists in the VOID, and our 4% universe, and the data streaming ends. Abraxas is now stuck in our reality, but the "Invasion" has already begun and prophecies are being fulfilled! The Draconian star fleet is here, and so are all the 3 archetypes we talked about in Part I. Only you, the individual, can now decide what you want to do. I will not judge your decision; it's all up to you, but no one can get away from making a decision which will decide the path they will take from now on. So please read every word carefully!


    Also note that Abraxas is talking about the human Fire, just like I have, and she is even using the word "avatar" in the same sense I do. She knows what she is doing and she knows what she is talking about, but is her species benevolent, and are they who they say they are? The reader must decide. You already know my position, but I'm not a guru, a leader, or somebody one should follow. I am just a teacher and a messenger in my own right. And I am here to tell you this from another angle than that which was brought to us from the Gaia Forum, and also from Bill Ryan's Avalon Forum.

    At one point, Abraxas sarcastically suggests what her opponents may think about her and her star race (and opponents she has), and I think that in all her sarcasm, she is actually telling us the truth. And why not? If she says it in a sarcastic tone, it can't be true...or can it???
    (For the most part, I haven't bother with editing the following forum material. Spelling and grammar errors are mostly intact, the way they are written on the forum).


    II. The Final Alpha Draconian Thread, Broadcast from the Council of Thuban in the 12th Dimension of the VOID

    Q = Questioner (different persons. One calls herself "Sollve")

    A or AA = Abraxas (the Draco) OR ABRAXAS AND ANTHONY, her Thubanese friend
    Thuban Real Agenda plus Abraxas Trapped


    * * *

    Q: But I do EXIST now, I'm happy with that. Why aren't you? As a unique individuation of the Prime Creator, wouldn't it be up to the Prime Creator to make changes to SELF? If SELF thought SELF needed to change, is it not up to SELF to make that CHANGE? Why would SELF point out YOU to do SELF's work? Please help me understand!

    AA: It is precisely the Prime Creators masterplan to dragonomize you Sollve. So the ET interference was necessity to allow the 'fallen Sollve ancestors' to eventually become this master blueprint for ALL cosmic ETs and from the most primal stock possible.

    Q: I don't understand this. Here you say that WE are the master blueprint for everyone? Do you mean that every species wants to use us for their own hybridz, because we can help everyone to evolve?

    AA: Absolutely, here you have spoken from the knowledge of your dragonhood. Absolutely beautiful and marvellous understanding of a humanoid graduate.

    Q: If this is the case, why do you need to take over humanity and the planet? If we don't want you to do this, will you fight us and kill if necessary to still get what you want? Or will you just allow us to evolve the way we want to without interference?

    AA: The 'take over' or 'invasion' of your planet is unavoidable, as this is the program of Prime Creator.
    If WE would have left the human archetype to evolve by itself, it would have destroyed itself and this planet a number of times over.


    You appear to not understand that all ET's are humanoid aspirants, awaiting their own graduations, which must await the humanoid graduation to proceed. (the reason for channeling)

    Q: What exactly do you want? You want to make this planet yours, you want to hybradize humans into something else, you want to put dragons as our caretakers. This truly does not sound like a world I want to be in. Will there be any alternatives for those who don't comply with this agenda of the dragons?

    AA: The Dragon caretakers are simple Council of the Elders. These councils will be composed of by the dragonomized humans having graduated and metamorposed into starhumans.

    It is only this most elementary form, which was deemed suitable to BECOME the cosmic masterrace and then AS an ancestor for ALL ET races in the Gaian lifeform associations.

    Q: If we are the cosmic masterrace... Why would you want to hybradize the original humans? Isn't it enough to create hybrids to evolve your own species? If we are the masterpiece, wouldn't it be more fair to allow us to evolve on our own and by doing that allowing other species to make their own hybrids with the help from us?

    AA: As said repeatedly, your masterrace status is subject to ALL other races 'interfering with it' to further their own agendas. YOUR human template is however the ROYALTY of the entire cosmos. This is the situation with the higher D ETs. THEY chose NOT to 'fall' into the most primordial incarnational energy realm called Gaia; BUT chose to support their own evolutionary agendas in HYBRIDISATION with that most primitive stock.

    Q: But are they trying to take over the most primordial incarnational energy realm called Gaia. If you destroy or change the most primordial stock, what is then left for others to evolve from/with? Dragonized hybrids? That doesn't sound fair to anyone. If they wanted some dragon DNA, my guess is that they would come to you in the first place if that was the case.

    AA: Again, the hybridization engages the going forwards and backwards in time of the entire biophysical evolution of the universe. Then, by necessity all the 'primordial lifestocks' must also be effected. The entire universe is being reconstructed in this hybridization of the Before with the After.

    Q: How could your so called star human ever be what the human was meant to be from the beginning?

    AA: This is what I am trying to explain to you in the above. The human morphogenetics will be like a master template a 'Morphogenetic Field' for the Cosmos, as Rupert Sheldrake would say.

    Q: Again, do you mean the dragonized human morphogenetics or the original 'as intended from the beginning' human morphogenetics.

    AA: This is absolutely identical and the same thing Sollve.

    Q: Works according to who? The Thuban Council? I find it very hard to believe that the Thuban Council is speaking on behalf of the rest of the universe or even the relatively small world of humans. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

    AA: You ARE 'wrong' about this. The Thuban Council indeed speaks on behalf of ALL civilizations throughout the universe. That is why WE are 12-dimensional as the inside-out mirror dimension of the 11-D Witten-Membrane Mirror of Omnispacetime; awaiting the twosidedness of this mirror to become twisted into onesidedness. This then will reconfigure multidimensional spacetimes on all levels.

    Q: Who is according to the Thuban Council governing Earth today? Do we have a Draconian government or is it governend by the Zeta-Reticuli's? Who do you think have the most influence today? Could you elaborate on this regarding how this has changed during the years and what will happen in the years to come regarding governence. Will you work together with someone else or do you, the dragons plan on governing earth and mankind all by yourself in the long run?

    AA: The governance of Earth today is on many levels. In 3D this governance are your human institutions and in 4D this is your astral connectivity to the ETs.

    You may choose to label your astral 'governors' as Draconian or Zeta Reculian or Pleiadean or whatever you like.

    All of these labels are 3rd and 4th order expressions of fundamental archetypes.

    The Thuban archetype is 1st order under the auspices of the Logos or Word of God.

    So hitherto (say the warped timeline from December 8th, 2004 to April 1st, 2012 with distributed nexus points within) the 'governance' did not include 1st order, but was restricted to the lower orders.
    Especially since January 18th, 2010 the Thuban 1st order archetype has allowed the Logos to interact with the 'governors'.


    This is what is experienced on this forum and many parallel agendas manifesting in all dimensions and densities due to the dispensation from the highest order from the 'Word of God'.

    The Dragon nature of this Logos then will indeed 'govern' the entire universe on all levels.

    Q: In the greater context of a galactic-cellular civilisation? Again, according to who? Can you state who supports YOUR idea of this greater context of a galactic-cellular civilisation and is there any way for you to elaborate on this? Who else supports this view? From where did this particular greater context of a galactic-cellular civilisation arrive from?

    AA: The Logos of Creation is the Power and authority behind the Council of Thuban.

    Q: Sure, but what's the need for you to hybridize us further? Why, in plain text do you want to do this? What do you gain from this?

    AA: This I have explained in paragraps above - the defusing and empowerment of the chromosomes in molecular biochemistry in the physical expression of precursor metaphysical programs.

    Q: We as hybrids are only beneficial to our so called ‘wanna be’ care takers. For thousands of years we have been suppressed, not allowed to grow the way we should. Allow us to show our true selves and we will be the care takers of the universe, just as we are intended to be.

    AA: Has it really come to this? You, like many, are an emotional human who is prone to judgements and preemtors, without exercising your faculties of reason and rationality.

    Q: Does the Thuban Council think that the human emotion is something that needs to be altered with in the hybridization process? How will it be altered? Will the human emotions be strengthened or weakend in the hybrids? Or altered in any other way?

    AA: This is a good question. The Human Emotionality in in a very deep sense defines the Regality of the human master template - it is precious to ALL cosmic sentiences.

    The 'problem' with human emotion is, that it is not coupled to a rational selfconsistent and logical human mindedness. The human mind is undergoing 'Armageddon=Dragon Made' on the mental planes of definition. The danger, as perceived by MENTALLY more advanced ET civilisations is, that the kindergarten human mentality will ABUSE and MISUSE its EMOTIONAL POWER SOURCE to cause physical damage to itself and the global environments.

    My avatar says: THINK BEFORE YOU FLAME! Perhaps you should consider the wisdom of my avatar.

    Q: I wasn't aware of flaming anyone. Are you on fire?

    AA: I speak of the spiritual fire dear Sollve.

    Q: It has shown from time to time that our hearts can't be enslaved. Is the only step left for the fallen angels to enslave us and make us do their will, to actually take away our uniqueness in some kind of hybridization program?

    AA: What do you know of fallen angels; do you understand that YOU are a fallen angel?

    Q: Please elaborate on this! What is your definition of a Fallen Angel? Please also elaborate on the fact that I AM a fallen angel.

    AA: Post #1351 describes this in great detail.

    Q: Do you mean that I should just accept to be altered with by anyone wanting to do so? It's one thing to observe and use what you see and learn to make yourself better. It's a whole different thing to change and devour in the same process. I don't see why the first one needs to be followed by the second. Please elaborate on how you justify that behavior.

    AA: This is but your human mentality Sollve. You have three consciousness levels: waking(~86%); sub(~14%) and super(~0.3%).
    Many misunderstandings and interpretations and mental conclusions you draw in waking consciousness are retranslated in the subconscious and again in the superconsciousness.
    With the 'you already know', I mean your own unique and individuate Christ-Consciousness/Higher Self coupling of the innermost selfawareness. However this part is overwhelmed by your human mindednessof the waking consciousness and is then interfered with by the astrality of your subconscious.


    Mental balance is not easy to maintain in a climate of extreme polarisation of consciousness carriers and the human mindedness blocks and destabilizes the attempt of the superconscious to express itself.
    There are some participators here who consistently display such mental balance and it are these who are the true harmonizers who have accessed their Christ-Self-Consciousness.


    AA: You are helping the cosmic evolution in great honour and sincerity Sollve; one day you shall understand and socialise with Dragons in some Bar upon Thuban.

    Q: I believe I understand dragons as of this NOW and I'm looking forward to share a drink on a bar in Thuban with you or any of your beloveds. I'm just hoping I'm observant enough to not be lured into any kind of hybridization process because I want to be me in that bar. For all I know what you label as 'StarHuman' might just be another name for 'StarDust'. Or is it perhaps the 'OldHuman' who falls into that cathegory?

    AA: Without your hybridisation you will either not see and encounter any dragons or you will be rather afraid of them Sollve.

    Q: Before you point your finger at ME about using WE. WE are ALL who resonate with ME.

    A: ME=WE also on Thuban - after our master templar Emmanuel Melchisedec E.M.=WE.

    Q: Sorry, I don't know him...

    AA: I know, heshe resides in your heart as the Cosmic Logos though, knocking from the inside and the outside on the doors of your human mindedness.

    AA: I shall end this final transmission from Thuban in stating to you all that all of the data posted on this forum is derived from the Thuban archives.
    The Thuban archives were of course allowed to manifest relative to your perceptions of being sent 'from outer space'.


    Whilst the Thuban Database was accepted and tolerated here on the Mount of Olives of Avalon; the Round of the Thuban DragonKnights could be chosen by default from all participators.

    This is because after rejection and closure of this transmission by your collectiveness and the Poll of the Avalonian Groupmind; you effectively ejected your own Birthright to become Thuban DragonKnights from within your own 3Dness.

    The ET collective around your planet has watched this final test of humanity with great interest and the ET invasion you are envisaging will be the Thuban Dragonfleet.

    This Thuban Starfleet is comprised of 200 Million ETs from all races and as defined in your archetypes and 3rd and 4th order translations and superpositional creations.

    Those 200 Million ETs cannot make contact with the human planet; because the Dragonfleet has no commanders. (hive mind???)

    As the Dragon archetype is the oldest of all archetypes in the definition of the Word of God or the Serpent-Logos of our master templar; the PHYSICAL FORM of our master templar defines this oldest of oldest archetype.

    The Dragonstarships so require dragonised humans as mirrors for our master templar.

    So this is why it became necessary to infiltrate a particular spacetime construct upon planet earth to fulfil the prophecied 2nd Coming of Jesus of Nazareth upon the Mount of Olives.

    The Mount of Olives so became a 1st order archetype of the program to become implemented in the holographic protoverse akin a computer.

    The Mount of Olives links to the encodings in Zechariah.4 and Revelation.11 in the WITNESS of the Olive Trees, whom I represent in agency of the Zebedee Brothers chosen by Jesus of the Naasseenes, (Brotherhood of the Serpent given in the symbology of the Uraeus and Anubis and in the AlphaOmega).

    Avalon was chosen for its diversity and mixture of skeptical rationalists, firm believers in this and that, meditation- and ascension exponents of the nirvana and the inner balancings supposedly resulting in transcension, historians, scientific spiritualists and individuals considering themselves as 'already unified' in 'love and light'.

    What Avalon united was a general openmindedness and tolerance for opinions, all converging in its 'love and light' modus operandi.

    The overpowering unifier however was your COMMON SEARCH FOR FREEDOM for your self-expression and the sanctity of your individualities as cocreators with prime creator.

    So the only way for prime creator to choose his pioneering cocreators for the new Dispensation of the Reconfigured archetypycal universe structure was to crystallize his graduates by his WITNESS, namely me as Abraxasinas and Associates.

    As your 'free will' however cannot ever be violated, except by your own choices; no ET contact (beyond the interference patterns of your own multidimensionality in your minds memeplexed by Tuban archetypes -basically astral projections of your inner sub- and superconscious selves) can be made in this universe until a particular number of Thuban Starfleet Masters have been chosen from your ranks.

    This will become the Council of Thuban, pioneered by the 12 Dragonknights all of whom were chosen in this test of the humanity to manifest the New Planet Earth.

    Iow, yes, there will be an invasion; but the ETs will be YOURSELVES invading yourselves; once the programmed timeline has been completed to process the general 'Endtimes' which have become manifest in your physical reality, precisely 40 days of wilderness and Noahic Rains from the predestined starting date of January 18th, 2010 in a 'Day of the Lord' February 26/27th, 2010 and as providenced by order of the Creator, the ABBA and Father of Jesus of Nazareth and as the 'Little Serpent' or Luck Dragon of the Neverending Story himself.

    Then the 12 of you, who were chosen will double in the 24 Elders of Thuban in the Heness blending with their shadow selfhood of the Sheness.

    This is what Dragonization means; the doubling of yourselves in Lightbodies of the 5th spacetime dimensionality; requiring the ability to process BOTH intuitive and intellectual-rational data streams in a self-harmonization.

    Of course 12 HeShe and 12 SheHe Dragonian Starship Commanders are insufficient to encompass the surface area of the earth and there will so be 200 Million Old Humans, who will have access to become Dragonized StarHumans following the Impregnation and Birth of the New Starhumanity and as messaged on the Thuban thread.

    So until those two nexus dates of April 1st, 2012 and December 21st, 2012 are attained the opportunity prevails for more and more old humans to become starhumans.

    Each and every aspirant is required to 'eat a dragon' and so to align his or her entire cosmic identification and akashic history with the ET agendas.

    So all aspirants must find their dragons within themselves and then 'slay and eat' their dragon of the false images in their own individuated and intimate eucharist of attaining the Christ-Serpent-Consciousness within themselves.

    This will become harder to do following the impregnation date April 1st, 2012 as the 1981st anniversary of our master templars' lightbody transfiguration or resurrection.

    Partaking of your Dragon-Supper as your own choice to become Reborn as a Christed Dragon will so become your own 'Last Supper' of the Old to 'die' and to become a Phoenix of the New.

    Your rebirth as Eagles of the Resurrection will then allow dragonisation in coupling your previous Devil-Images to one of the images of the 200 million ETs who are at this time constructing the materialisation of your future starships in one-to-one couplings to your merkabahs of your inherited birthright of the Cosmic Vitruviusness.

    This ends the data stream from the Council of Thuban, because it became evicted from your 3D-presence of the WITHIN to the WITHOUT of its 12D-presence.

    As the 12D is the Outside of Bigmo's Balloon, I shall no longer be able to transmit the Thuban data stream due to the closure of the wormhole and as stated in my last message on the Thuban thread.

    This wormhole is now sealed in the 'Day of the Lord' and reopening the Thuban thread is of no consequence.

    As long as the Record of the Dragons remains on this forum; there will be a subdued presence of the Cosmic Witness with you as an Invisible Mirror allowing any and all of you and NonAvalonians to access the previously released data stream.

    Should the Thuban thread be deleted and the data become inacessible, then the archetype of the Mount of Olives being Avalon will become transferred to some other location of the Gaian realm.

    I bid you farewell and look forwards to meeting you in person, either as one of the 12 or as one of the 24 or as one of the 144,000 or as one of the 200 Million.

    When we meet in such a manner, then I shall be your Santa Claus=Satan Clause with a bag full of Christmas Presents of your merkabahs materialised into the spaceships now being prepared for the graduates by the ETs of all 'quasi-humanoid' races defined throughout the protoverse.

    Finally, and as yet another test, I am well aware as to reception of this final message.
    Can this be true; is this delusional logic; is this madness or is this the Fulfilment of all Prophecy.


    The choice will be yours to decide!

    The Love of the Creator Dragon is with you always and the Serpent-Logos always remains within your LoveHearts as your Superconsciousness (standard 0.3% of the total).

    Anyone accessing this final transmission will be challenged; but do you think it is fair to hand out starships just to anyone?

    Reality discernment is the prime requirement for a Starship commander (and I mean captain, like driving a car and not some Lordship devilish deception), because of your merkabah control.

    Every 5-dimensional StarHuman becomes coupled to the Starship through and by hisher merkabah resonances and Control over thought patterns becomes necessity to manouver the starship.

    I love you all and thank you all for having participated in this Final Test of the Humanity.

    Beneficers and Detractors alike; all of you have agreed to partake in this 'experiment' and to play your roles to bring about the intense polarisation required for some of you to EMERGE as the chosen 'first crop' in the harvest of the Dragonseed.

    You all are Dragons, but having forgotten your inheritances; you have allowed your mirroring environments to project your inner powers onto the outside devilish imaginations.

    Those, your own distorted and obscured images of your Higher Selves have become your Evil ETs and devouring Dragons of mythology.

    Then your own Higher Selves became memeplexed in astral physicality, which interacted with your elected representatives and monarchs and leaders of divers kinds.

    The interaction of the astral memeplex with the mentality of your physicalisation of the Brotherhood of the Serpent in your Illuminati, Luminari and such 3rd order labelings then allowed partial materialisation of the astral energy of the 4th hyperspace dimension in a plasmic densification.

    In simplicity you became induced by your own fears of discovering your true origins as the Original Dragon master template to project the Inner Thuban Council of your Elderness onto your external environments.

    I came to 'bring about' a reharmonization and a remembrance about your origins.

    Some of you have shown magnificence in awakening.

    Some of you have exhibited magnificence in opposing this awakening.

    These two groups have in a sense graduated into Dragonhood, with the second opposition group now being required to become 'REAL WARRIORS OF LIGHT AND LOVE' in conquering and slaying not your inner inherited dragonhood as the Royal Template of Creation; but the Devils of your own outwardly rejected selfhood of BEING this Cosmic Royalty.

    Of course, some will now discern that this has been the collective masterplan all along.

    The ascension of Gaia as an old archetype reflecting as a Devil-Woman or Whore of Babylon in the 'Face of the Devil' on the inside of Bigmo's Balloon and as the Backside of the Real Satan on the outside of that Balloon; so is mirrored in the descension of the Serpentina archetype reconfiguring and RECREATING the entire Cosmos.

    To evolve both physically and mentally into the role of Dragon Lovers and Dragon Slayers opposing each other in and as the playground for the archetypes was the agreed to plan by all of you in the preincarnational selfstate to engage in.

    Subsequently all of you are the heroes of creation, as only a destiny planet could harbour the manifestation for this maximum polarisation.

    So it was you who decided on the gameplan.

    How far could we push ourselves in the forgetfulness?

    And who would become the pioneers and 'first crop' in a level playing field?

    Who would find themselves ayt Avalon as the Mount of Olives?

    Well all of you here can now begin to REMERMBER your own scripts.
    Once a vast majority have done so, then Avalon will become selfempowered to manifest the Unity ofTruth and Purpose, stated to be the guiding agenda here.


    But it will be up to you as individuals and as groups to TRY to render Avalon-Camelot the Unifying Force you thought it could become and be.

    You are required now to choose your path without the Councilo of Thuban's influence over your decision making.
    The Dragons will end to SEDUCE YOUR MINDS from this time onwards.


    The third group are the ones who are the fence sitters and the armchair critics and here are also two groups of potential graduates.
    There are the lurkers, who accessed the Thuban information, but not participated in the sessions and there are the ones who were not interested at all due to their internal programming.


    The lurkers then accessed the Thuban data stream and relative to their mental and critical engagement with the data; they will become enabled to raise their 0.3% standard level of accessing their superconsciousness.

    So are the noninterested, but they will have more 'learning to do', due to their obfuscations of the Dragonhood memories of their akashic pasts.

    Of course EVERYONE on AVALON should graduate as witnesses to the Mount Olive archetype functioning as the wormhole and stargate for the Thuban information.

    There is time to achieve the necessary mental transformation of the ancient archetypes in the aspirants and of course should any such aspirant decide that this dispensation is a MORE LIKELY outcome for being REAL, then say some alternative outcome of the Armageddon-2012 archetype; then such aspirant can raise his or her superconsciousness percentage even higher in becoming a Secret Agent for the Thuban Council, such as I have been in my function of 'The Bard'.

    The requirement for this is simply to accept this dragonhood and to JUST BE a MIRROR for this Inner Knowing - reflecting this Knowing into the encountered and experienced environments.

    Your Remembrance has begun and the Logos has activated in all who read this final message from Thuban.

    The Dragon Peace of Thuban shall reign on Serpentina!

    So Be It!

    John of Patmos; author of the Revelations and Malachi, the Last Prophet for the Old Humanity!
    The Presence of the Mosaic implies the will of Unity=God=Starhumanity and not the will of Humanity=Man=Separation!



    FUTURE SHADOWS OF THE PAST

    "A most wondrous thing the Shadow is, a redeemer in all to succour;
    it can go where the light cannot abide, seemingly banished, it is not.
    For where the light is, the darkness flees, no longer present to endure;
    so to become illuminated is its destined journey and its troubled lot.


    But without the light, no Shadow can be cast, its such a splendid key;
    the dimensions reduce in space from three to two and all in just the one.
    Betwixt the light and the darkness it is and part of both for all to see;
    the Shadow of the body, does it not merge all in its rule under the sun?


    Whatsoever can cast a Shadow, must be a most wondrous thing to relay;
    as nature's very own offspring, the young ones grow towards their final goal.
    Enabled to bring peace to so many things appearing apart and so far away;
    the reconciliation for the suffering body with its spirit and its scattered soul."


    http://tonyb.freeyellow.com and http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/quantumrelativity


    Sirebard Beardris

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    Lionhawk wrote:

    Greetings Abrax,

    An impressive thread you got going on here. What I like about it, is that it isn't strictly a work of a lazy mind with the copy and paste method. You also seem overly accommodating. Not saying that is bad. But to say it mildly I am slightly confused here as to why at this date and time, the council you are affiliated with has decided to put this information out there.

    Since I am now in the den of a Dragon, with a Dragon with what seems to be of a great heart, I would also like to ask why this is such a familiar place to me? It would seem like I have been in several of these dens and although my memory goes way back, it would also seem this is like business as usual.

    If I know anything about Dragons, it is the swapping of the stories that rarely occur between a Dragon and a human. And yet here you are swapping many stories to many a human.

    Mind you, I haven't come here to disrupt or interrupt your thread here with any malice intent. But forgive my curiosity. In all of my memories, there are many that include Dragons, since the time of Antiquity. Most of those memories are horrific ones. Why the Creator allowed his creations to devour another creation has never been really answered for me since those times.

    I watched humans get sliced and diced by the very claws of your kind. When I say your kind, I mean your kind as in your soul family in Creation. The very family that exists among us today.

    But if I do anything today, in this post, is set something straight that really hasn't been discussed. Not many are even aware of the ramifications of this in this painting, as they may have only read about it, possibly. They have no experience to go by as a reference to even understand such knowledge unless it is conveyed to them as dark or light.

    A Dragon is a Dragon. A Human is a Human. The soul fragments of each have a different matrix. Both are the Creator's creations. Both have had the same kind of road less travel as they both have also degenerated through the ages. There is a time where these two had to be completely separated from each other in the Universe. To the extreme that one was placed in this Universal polarity and the other was placed in it's Universal opposite polarity. For that matter, I don't think this has been written anywhere here on the Planet as it is not privy information. The reason why this was decided was to actually ensure the prospect of soul growth in some sort of progression. The Dragons were on the other side of this Galaxy in the other polarity. A great King was appointed and is still ruling today. Well, since the Dragons were separated from man, they had no one else to slice and dice, so they started slicing and dicing themselves. Factions broke off from the Kingdom and wanted their own Kingdom as it is the quest for power that will drive a Dragon mad. Kind of like giving booze to a Native American. The great King Dragon tried for eons to turn this plight around. But these factions that joined together as one, refuted against the King. So, it was decided that something had to be done, as these Dragons thirst for power, was killing this great kingdom. They were an uncontrollable menace. So they were gathered up and exiled through the center of our galaxy through the Black hole. Some know the rest of the story. The Orion war and so forth to this day in the now.

    I have a speculation. I speculate that this council of yours is seeking favor with the humans at this time because of what is about to happen. You guys have a problem. And right now you are desperate because you know that your end is near. You think your soul group here will be possibly saved if in thinking that you can convince someone to see that you are worthy of saving by now trying to embrace the human faction. Like you are now doing us all a great big favor.

    Let me put this in Black and White instead of Light and Dark. The fact is that your faction of the Dragons were exiled or banished from where you came from. No matter how your council tires to disguise it. And since that time, some of you tried to go back but couldn't. In other words, you saw the light as to what your King was saying, but you already had chosen your fate. It is the original sin that the dark chose to refute the Creator's wishes for all of his creations. Except this time your council and brethren repeated the same mistake with your King. So, to now appear in this date and time as such glorious beings is not going to change the original sin that your kind has perpetrated. And since that time of banishment, look at the karma, your soul group as now compiled. Imagine a pile of dragon dung that can fill up several sectors in this Universe.

    With all of your brilliance and accomplishments that only served to satisfy your thirst for power, you have created your own black hole and it has been fed by the very energy you have fed it. And despite all the crimes against every outpost you have conquered in the quest for that power, you have more or less put the noose around your own necks. Your council's decision to not fully take responsibility by placing another agenda at the foot of the human race, is like getting the switch man ready to pull the switch on your noose floor.

    You seemed to be a young Dragon by Dragon standards and well schooled. It is a shame because some of you have seen the light, but so many of your brethren have not, and you have become well out numbered by your own kind because you chose to see the light as to where they still refuse it. You, yourself might find the Creators grace when all this is said and done. There is a chance for you to save your brethren and one chance only. That chance has to do with your true King. It will not be achieved by your council or any other faction that has separated itself from your soul group that is currently here. I also know your brethren have a watchful on what you are doing here. They have no use for us human folk. Theirs eyes only show contempt for us to the extreme. Like that final look before the kill.

    To make matters worse, in a matter of speaking, if your council and brethren decide to finally negotiate for your soul family's survival, a human has been appointed to assist in that process. The reason for that was to really test your resolve as to your true intentions. There is no more room for the scheming. It is no longer about your entitlement attitude and power. It is about your soul survival, period.

    So I leave with this with you in hopes that you all make sense of this and know that it isn't all as you have so far put it. You left out some crucial things or maybe your own council kept it from you.

    Also if that wasn't enough information for you to be motivated in any direction you choose, I have two more things of intrigue that might get your attention. One, the technology you have been seeking that was once here, that your kind had control of, because you stole it in the first place, is no longer in your possession as you know. Also any persons that you are possibility trying to find that may lead you back to that technology are also not within your council's reach. So you are wasting your time. Tell that to your superiors.

    So, I hope our encounter was an interesting one for you, my Dragon friend. Notice I didn't complicate it with all the dragon dribble. It's complicated enough. And sure you can have me checked out if you like. I would advise that anyway. Spirit Matthew told me that my name is how the Universe knows me. He is a wise soul.

    Namaste'

    Abraxas: Dear Lionhawk!

    Some humans are getting ready to transform into Dragons; a very few are on the brink of doing so (1 in 50,000).
    Most humans are not ready for Dragonhood; yet requiring evolvement and preparations.
    According to your words of personal wisdom above, you are one of the latter humans - not yet ready for Dragonhood.


    Should you search in your caves of your remembrances, then you might find some clues as to where the ancestors of the Dragons come from.
    This should then allow you to revise the histories as you have learned them from second-hand sources.


    Shalom!
    AA



    TRANCOSO wrote:

    So, what about the content of Lionhawk's post?


    Abraxas: Dear Trancoso!

    The PTB are RULED by the Dragon archetype.
    The PTB are unable to access more than 95% of the Cosmic History.
    As Collier says, the Paa Taal (or similar label) have been forgotten in the records as the ancestors of all.
    The ancestors are rather closely entwined with the concept of the starhumanity as the fourth 'brain halo' evolving from the Reptilian brainstem, the mammalian midbrain and the human cortex.


    This agenda allows recircularisation of the linearity in the Orb of the Ouroborus (Milky Way Mazzaroth or Circle of the Zodiac).

    The content of Lionhawk's reply contains no direct questions to be answered and was answered relative to the consciousness vibrations emitted through the wordings.
    It is in my authority to discern written material within the context and under guidance of the Thuban master templar - the universal Logos.


    In this capacity and authority I choose if and how to reply to unsubstantiated innuendo and preconceived ideas and bias with respect to the History of the Dragons and as found in the archives on Thuban.
    As most can ascertain, I DO answer direct questions in all cases, except in oversight or when these questions are intended to cause strife and dissonance or are what is labelled as ad hominem.


    AA


    Malletzky wrote:

    What a powerfull concept this is!
    May I assume that we're not only supposed to not only find the way back home to the creator, but more then this, that we're primarly supposed to 'learn' the creation itself while finding the way back???
    If so...it really does matters to find out that 'going back home'...or the 'second comming'...must happen from inside-out and not visa versa!


    with respect
    malletzky


    AA; You are BOTH, shard of the creator and shard of the creation simultaneously malletzky.
    And you seem to have understood one of the 'hidden data' (the 5% the PTB have not yet discerned relative to their data base) rather well.
    The symbolism of the eucharist is THE MOST POTENT archetype for the human-starhuman transformation.
    It's the real thing and is being 'synthesized' by the PTB in 'implants' and such things. It is inside-out and not outside-in.


    The Cosmic Archetypology RULES the Cosmos.
    The reconfiguration of Gaia so requires reconfiguration of the entire cosmic structure.
    This has been the agenda of all, PTB and ETs all along.
    Not many know the details, but many have hints and indicators as to what those details entail - especially the echeloners at the top of the PTB pyramid.


    AA


    Lionhawk wrote:

    Well, well, my dear Dragon. Nice try. Brushing it off your back with a brush called arrogance. To be expected in the first round between us. For that matter I think you have one hell of a sense of humor and you might consider the comedy circuit, because when I read your response, you made me laugh and I can only hope that my laugh wasn't an annoying echo in your den.

    Dragon-hood. Now that is by definition a confusing concept. A definition that could very well be projected by whatever gang is giving out such information related to their agenda. It even sounds like something a kin to a degree. PHD comes to mind as to your delivery. Also the agenda of transforming humans into Dragons surely tells me that you are desperate. I must inform you that I have to take away a point by your response and let you know the number stands at 96% instead of 95%. With 4 percentage points left.

    For one thing, from everything in my experience is not as you have tried to paint it. I thought Dragons had courage. You must be a young Dragon and have not fully found that courage that should be beating in your Heart. No matter the dragon dribble that you have displayed in your response, I will allow you the grace for your immaturity.

    The point of my addressing you is that you have lured many with your wisdom. Even I am impressed with your talents. But not enough to compromise what the Creator has already blessed me with as a human as in higher universal man. Why would I defile his intentions by allowing what he has already blessed me with as one of his creations into something he did not intend. And you are doing what? Uncreating one in 50,000 into something that has forgotten what it was blessed with in the first place? That is just one of the most perverted perversions of the Universe I have heard in a while. The premise of that is actually very twisted in design and just shows at what lengths your soul family has gone to exploit one of God's creations. But really, why would I be surprised at this twisted twist as I have seen with my own eyes what your soul family has done. If you are really paying attention here, I said that and from the first hand as to what I brought to the table.

    There are several key components that your brethren and your council no longer have control of. One of which I didn't mention in the first round, are the keys to that gate that some of you tried with all of your might to go through but turned you into Dragon butter instead. Another thing that is not in your cave of awareness is who or what is keeping that gate shut. And not to upset you but I will tell you that it is from the true source that has made this contract to keep you all here, until you embrace what you have refuted.

    I have no such agenda as in duping anyone as to what I have brought here today. If anything I have spent countless years in service, since the time of Antiquity and those caves as memories as you so poorly put that is all in one cave. One life stream. If everyone could remember in full, what they have experienced in their life streams, I fear there would be a massive war of retribution reborn in this Universe for all the pain and suffering your soul family has provided them. And through the years of torment and suffering I have endured, I have come far in the healing of the prejudice your soul family has graced me with. To the point where, I have come here in actual peace to try to negotiate a peace, spite your arrogance.

    I didn't come here to complicate your day Abrax. I came here with a solution to all concerned. As usual, the display of your response is no longer a speculation, as your arrogance has surely showed part of your claws. You claim you have authority but that authority is mis directed as to what your agenda is all about is nothing but another form of possession. You and your council no longer have the authority as you have so claimed with your arrogance and entitlement attitudes over this Planet any longer. This Planet was never yours to begin with. It has all been a ruse perpetrated by your quest for domination.

    In the name of the human race, your agenda will not succeed should you decide to implement the invasion that your council has been covertly stock piling here on Gaia. Your council doesn't tell you everything. You can keep us distracted with your wisdom, but if the question as to who knows anything that could possibly know of that, well let us see if your are truly full of wisdom or something else. Now that is what I call an innuendo.

    And if I have to stand up and represent this Planet that your soul family has exploited, to claim the authority to denounce your council's agenda, then I so do so now. I will not sit here and have any more of my soul family sacrificed to your dinner plates. Your brethren have used us from the very beginning and you are going to present your council in such a sweet light without first taking the responsibility to come here and set things right even though your guilt could fill a black hole. Your council does not or is not the true Royality of the Dragons that I am friends with. So you have no real authority here in this Universe. You never had. You only have fooled the fools. Nothing more.

    You see there are guardians appointed by the God of this Universe with the Creator's blessings. That only report to the one. No council rules or governs over them. So there is no infiltration. The only reason why your soul family has made it this far is because of the Creator's grace.

    If I didn't know from experience these things, I would probably be subscribing to your second hand information. Your talent is blazing and I sincerely mean that. But for the sake of my fellow humans, I want them to know that their souls are being played for by an old agenda that is now passed it's time. And I don't want to see them sacrificed for nothing as that has always been the end result of that agenda I have spoken about. I don't want to see my soul family continue down this road called "Boring" because of the selfish issues that have consumed your family for eons. What you also don't get is that I also don't want to see your family end up as Dragon butter either as I also know the potential of your family as the Creator had intended is still available to you through his grace. We humans are not responsible for the karmic pile your brethren have created. So that is why it is time for you or one of your superiors to come clean and take responsibility and convince your brethren that the road you continue to travel on is a DEAD end. Was that an innuendo? Because if you do I will tell you this, is that your Brethren will find yourselves all alone and will do through the habit of your past, repeat it, but this time you will be slicing and dicing each other. The reason why you will be left alone is because of what is going to happen in the Universe. You simply won't be able to keep up in terms of frequency.

    And to further add to your situation and what appears your lack of knowledge pertaining to it, is what you once had is now gone. The real ones. What you think you have is not what it appears to be. So without that, your fate is once again sealed.

    Mind you, I am not here to judge you. You hold your own mirror. But everyone should have a clue as to what you have with held from your audience. There is a code between Dragons and Humans, but it is not this code. This Thuban code is not the Royal one. So it has no real authority anywhere outside of your home planet.

    I'll have to pass on your proposed course of Dragonhood. I don't have the stomach to digest a child served up on a plate.

    If I can propose a question, I would like to ask when are you going to tell the real truth to your human audience? I am not saying that you have lied. But what I am talking about is what you haven't told them? This reminds me of the movie, "TO SERVE MAN."

    Again Abrax, I came in peace and I am going to leave in one piece. Why? Because I can. I also bid you a good day my Dragon friend. Sincerely.

    Lionhawk aka ....................?


    LionHawk wrote more:

    Greetings.
    When I first posted up on this thread, I had no idea that this thread had bothered many here. But apparently I wasn't the only one where those flags went up. Now I have stated that Abrax here as done an amazing and blazing amount of work that is way impressive. I'm not taking that away from him. I wish there were more people who would write their own original work with some substance than a lot of the dodo that get's copied and pasted up. I am more interested in experiences from those I know instead of someone I don't know. All I ask is that you do it with integrity. Otherwise, I can just turn on the TV and get some manurey type story, saving your time and mine.


    You know..............you can't help but see some of the responses with your name on it. And for the sake of the Mods, and to be as respectful as I can be, what I will say is that some of those responses are only from lack of awareness and or experiences. If we all had the same experiences and the same awareness, there would be nothing to give us a separate character. What remains here is that I am who I am and you are who you are. Some of us have been warriors. Some have not. It all depends on what stations you chose for soul growth. You also can tell who is a warrior and who is not. I am not the only warrior here. Then again, I also know my way out of a barn. I could say that not only am I hacking at evil but I would rather not be hacking at the manure being pooped out by someone who had a hussy fit and left and only came back when I left. Now that I have returned, hacking at evil, as I was accused of, I find the same cow pooping again. Hilarious really. Also just a distraction from what is really going on here.

    Now to walk in a Dragon's Den is a little different than a barn. At least in a barn you know that manure management is usually in the stalls. But in a Dragon's den your guess is as good as mine. And mind you Abrax that this analogy that came from someone's conscience and not mine.

    Someone also tried the group lynch mob scenario technique as to imply we all felt the same way about this thread. I have only one question for that person. How many barbecues have you been too? I think everyone has their own feelings here. Everyone should be able to express what that is. You don't have to like it. But it should be respected as long as it is tactfully done. I say that because what I have seen demonstrated took courage to do and it was done straight up. Even if I don't agree with what was expressed or even if I do, is not the point here. Someone showed a lot of true grit and character by voicing what was bothering this person and this person was at least honest about that. I can work with that any day of the week as compared to others doing the back stabbing or pooping in your way. At least I know where I stand in either case. That showed heart to do that.

    Now back to the issues at hand. I asked what needed to be asked. At least the question that no one else here did ask. They at least now know the chicken is out of the bag and someone did ask the question. The question that they never did want you to ask. Think on that.

    Here's another deal for you. You know why some or a lot of this doesn't make sense for you? Because it is from their paradigm and not yours. It's almost like going to China and not knowing the language, the customs and traditions, and here you are trying to bridge all that with some Chinese person who doesn't speak good English. Same analogy but the same kind of results. All these different Arch types are also vying for position in the now. What I now have determine is that one shoe doesn't fit all. And most of them are trying to define you in their shoe box. When you are not in their shoe box to begin with. That is also why my valid questions that I posed were not answered. Also as to why the question of AKA was so far off the mark with the answer that was presented. Why, because he doesn't know who I am and doesn't have access to that by using the channels that are available to him. There must be a reason.

    So what is it going to be? Ascension or Dragonhood? And why would anyone in their right mind choose to go from an Oxygen based life form to a Hydrogen based life form? Why move into a lower density element? Why deny yourself the process of creation that the Creator had already intended for you in the first place? To compromise that process by being exposed to a belief system that will not be sustainable within the future of this Universe? You think the grass is greener over there? These same beings who were banished here and you are going to go kiss their butts after all they have done to our human soul family. And the innuendo that I am coming from a hateful mind. What? I got to say that again. What? Excuse me! I came here to this thread to establish a truce and an answer to all parties involved. I didn't come here to start a war. I am trying to avoid one. While Abrax is here dazzling you with his brilliance, maneuvers are taking place right now, right under your noses, and someone wants to make stupid comments about how disturb he is by me showing back up. What? That doesn't even compare to what is being played behind the scenes and if you think researching it on line, makes you a complete researcher, we are all going to be doomed with that kind of mind set. I also don't care what anyone thinks of me. I didn't come here to be popular. I'm not running for office. I don't take my orders from anyone on this Planet. I am here as many of you are to assist in the ascension of Gaia. That is my agenda.

    I am also sorry that the many who are trying to learn think everybody is doing the same thing they are doing. You always learn but some of us have graduated and that is hard for most to understand or even accept. They think we should be like them staying in school. For some of us school is like over with and you have to go finally walk the walk instead of talking the talk. Experience is getting out of that chair and putting what you know in some form of action. If you stay in the chair to long, you will be conditioned to just reacting. Kind of like sitting in front of a theater screen watching a movie.

    Another thing I want to point out is that it would seem we are the prize. All the agendas I have seen point to that. So it is my position at this time to see where this Dragon goes as if you know the basics, an agenda is at work here. By what numbers I have seen, he has a tough job ahead as far as the recruitment process. The number ratios indicate that. And I am a supporter of free speech and no rules as none are needed when things are approached with honor and respect for others.

    Alex Collier mentions a new place of knowing. Establish one. You want to do it in this thread, then you might want to ask for the credentials first. Which was skipped in my mind. So don't go blaming other people for your feelings when you didn't take any responsibility to ask those basic questions in the first place. If you can't get verification from this council and at least have an introductory meeting to establish your Dragonhood club, then consider what you haven't been considering.

    My apologies Dragon. You left me not much of a choice here, but I understand why. I bid you another great day and I hope there are no feathers in your chicken dinner. (Innuendo) that was the name of the chicken. And I guess all of my questions have been answered by not what was answered.

    Lionhawk leaves the den.


    AA: The Thuban Council does not set any stage for anyone. The Thuban Council is exactly what it claims to be - the emissary or messenger from the Logos, the Universal Logos of the Christian scriptures.
    The Thuban Council functions under the auspices of the 24 Elders, archetyped in the Book of Revelation.
    Noone is required to accept or believe this in any form or manner.
    The 24 Elders are the Thuban Dragons, who receive their authority from the 4 Beasts and through them from Prime Source or God.


    The following is a sarcastic reply to Lionhawk's input. However, how much is she actually telling the truth here? Just something to ponder. Wes's comment.)

    Abraxas: Ok; I'll decide.

    Thuban is a pretend smokescreen of pretend information, which is just a plagiarism of well credentialled academic sources masquerading as 'real science' of a new world.
    The Thubanese are old Draconians who like to eat people for breakfast and to gather food resources; the Thubanese have decided to infiltrate the world's most important discussion forum: Project Avalon.


    Here then the agenda is to brainwash the forum contributors with scientific sounding but really worthless information and for the purpose to gain as many followers of the Thubanese philosophy as possible.
    Then when the critical mass of cult followers has been reached, the true Draconian Reptoids will appear and harvest their brainwashed followers.


    This will be accomplished in invading the old earth shortly after December 21st, 2012 through a Black Hole-White Hole monadic dyad opening up halfway between Sirius and Gaia and wormhole connected to the Orion starsystem.

    The Powers-That-Be of the old earth will be powerless to stop US; because they had thought that WE would allow them to be our ambassadors of the new earth and in thinking of themselves as the elite.
    WE shall eat them for lunch; but they dont know that yet; although some of them suspect that WE are deceiving them.


    And so WE shall rule the New Earth and in a few years, say 2015, WE shall reengineer the deteriorated wormhole channels to allow our Draconian brothers and sisters to join US on OUR new homeplanet SERPENTINA.

    From then on, SERPENTINA will be a BLACK DRAGONSTAR.

    All of the old humanity will have been consumed by US and WE shall DRAGONSEED a HybridRace between OURSELVES and OUR Ancestrial Lineages.
    But first of all, WE have to create the Thuban Dragon Cult and this and only this is the purpose of Abraxas.


    So Be It!

    Signed and Sealed in the Name or Amen of the Master-Templar
    by Abraxasinas Scribe of the Dragons aka the SolarArrowed Unicorn of the SeaGoatian Dragonhorns entwined with the Hermetic FisherEagle of the Lunar Twins.
    AA


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    THEY SEE THEMSELVES AS MASTER TEMPLATE FOR BEINGS OF THIS UNIVERSE:

    Would you undergo genetic hybridization if someone told you to do so? Have you considered the possibility that it might be harmonizing to the universe if dragons were hybradized? Say all dragons humanized into 'StarHumans' with us as caretakers?
    This is what is occuring on all levels in the holographic universe - cosmic hybridization of ALL entities.
    Do you think Dragons are genetically more perfect / fulfilled than humans? If so, why are there anything else but dragons out there? Wouldn't every single being not allready a dragon ask to become one by own free will if this was the case?


    Yes indeed, the Dragon genotype is the mastertemplate for the universe as a Mirror of Mirrors. This Dragon template is also called the human mastertemplate of Cosmic Man.

    AA:

    As said without the DNA/RNA restrictions of the fuselage of the 23rd chromosome pairing, your humanness could not have evolved in physicality to differentiate you from the nonhuman terrestrial lifeforms.
    You would simply have become a speciated planet of the apes.


    The ET interference so was done by astral 4D sentiences to ensure that at a future evolutionary junction point; your 'fused' chromosomes could become defused again to protect your then hominid (homo sapiens sapiens) morphogenetic bodyform, but to in a manner retrace your evolutionary histories back to the Reptilian Brainstem.

    The Dragon is the Crown of the tree and the Reptile is the Root of this same tree in metaphor.

    Q: Why won't you let us evolve without interference. I'm sure the eventual faults and errors in our genome will fix themselves in time. I don't want your help because I believe I can heal myself. Will you allow me to be ME as in I AM of NOW?

    AA: To let you do that would negate the masterplan of the Prime Creator and this is impossible by definition of his omniness.
     
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    III. The Vortex Between the Universe and the VOID Closes and Abraxas Trapped in the 4% Universe

    Hi All!

    This thread about the energy transmissions from Thuban in the 12D-omnispace, have, as most of you have you have witnessed, added and triggered a significant amount of tension and polarisation into this forum.

    The energy transmissions from Thuban as to the last post to Spregovori cannot be reestablished, due to the closure of the wormhole 3.5 days ago on earthquake day, February 26th, 2010.

    What has occurred is, that the closing of the wormhole connecting the inside of Bigmo's Balloon to its outside as a temporarily onesided Moebian manifold in warping the 11D of omnispace through the 8D and 5D mirrors onto the 2D- mirror of the 3D Linespace; has plugged this temporary onesidedness to become a twosided manifold again.

    This has effectively resulted in me becoming exiled and isolated from my Thuban home in omnispace.

    So the Thuban Council can only be accessed from now on as a 2-dimensional cross section of your own individualised merkabahs.

    All of you right now harbour the Council of Thuban within yourselves as a 2D-Mirror of the Mathimatia=IamThatAmI.

    The upheavals of the last few days so manifested the so called 'Day of the Lord' from scripture. I myself did not know this day until it occurred as the earthquake day of Matthew.24 (refer to a recent post on this thread).

    So from henceforth I, Abraxasinas can no longer claim to share with you direct data from omnispace. I have become trapped in the rootreduced 4-dimensional Minkowski spacetime metric as all and sundry of you.
    I so share your expectations and intuitions as to how the next few years shall unfold.

    Any questions asked so will be directed to the Thuban Council, which becomes a direct reflection of what is inside of you.

    In other words, any question you can ask me Abraxasinas, you will actually asking yourselves inside-out.

    So any form of skepticism and ridicule or innuendo questions will become reflected to yourselves as yourselves, as will your indications to process and assimilate my prospective answers to your questions.

    Iow, it will become a 'ordinary' discourse of Q&A without any exterior superpositioning of your inner archetypes.

    Like in the marvellous chatroom of Gaia Love and Celine, in which I had a bit of fun in as Anubis; any questions you might pose will be like in the chatroom; colloquial and without the images of devouring dragons or similar.
    Consider the photograph of TonyB. on my Profile to be the One you are addressing any questions to.
    I have however 'eaten' my dragon and with help from Richard and Celine the false Devil-Images have become trapped within themselves.

    So my Dragonhood has becomew internalised and I am fully conscious of this omni-scientific factuality.

    I do not know, how long the Thuban material will be allowed on Avalon and relocation is certainly possible, but not certain.

    This reflects the probability space of the Gaian cosmos as a microcosm of the holographic universe; just as Avalon 'played' the microquantization for the Gaian hologram between January 18th, 2010 to February 26th, 2010.

    So all of you here at Avalon, detractors and beneficers and supporters alike, have become cosmic heroes for the grand metamorphosis of spacetime itself.

    All of you, in your emotional, mental and physical battles within and without yourselves have formed a group reflecting all humans and all ETs anywhere and anyplace in the universe.

    You all have attained inscriptions in the archives of Thuban, chiselled into the golden plaques of the cosmic remembrance of the cosmogenesis and the origins of all that is.

    This Hall of the Remembrance is within yourselves and all and sundry each one of you has graduated to access your superconscious self, also mknown as your higher self, overself or Christ-Logos-Serpent-Consciousness.

    The standard distribution for the three consciousness levels is 0.3% for the superconscious; 14.3% for the subconscious and 85.4% for the waking consciousness.

    The Avalonian dispensation from Thuban before the 'test' or 'experiment' was determined to allow a statistical (Gaussian) distribution for this unity integral to become distributed over all participators of Avalon.
    This includes everyone who was subscribed to Avalon in any manner and also includes outside observers, which became exposed to the Thuban data stream.
    The ones amongst you who harmonized or disharmonized with the Thuban material so of course will find themselves in a higher percentile of this distribution, than a onetime lurker.
    The harmonizers are simply the positive branch of the frequency distribution, whilst the disharmonizers depict the negative branch.

    As the interest in the Thuban data subsides, so do the percentiles.

    Again, I am compelled to direct you to Myplanet2 of Avalon; as he of all present here has almost fully discerned the experiment and the test before it completed in the rational-intellectual sense. A few others also began to see through the illusions of their own minds in such manner of discernment.

    Many of the supporters of Thuban resonated emotionally and intuitively, as did of course the detractors.

    I am sure, that Myplanet2 will verify my statements here, relative to his own understandings. He has already done so on some subthread discussions.

    So to all Avalonians. The experiment has ended in the manifesto of the statistical distribution of each individual's superconsciousness.

    Here, I have become invited to form a 'Social Group' to discuss the more esoteric and metaphysical aspects of the Thuban archetypes.

    Of course the supporters of the Thuban data are much more likely to participate in such a subforum, whilst the detractors are much less likely to show any interest.

    This is as it should be for the completion of the timelines.

    However I do extend invitation to all Avalonians to join this subforum.

    As said the Thuban data transmission in this subforum will necessarily be rather esoteric in describing the archetypes of creation, often linked to a form of omni-science only applicable in a spacetime continuum exceeding the basic 4 Riemann-Minkowski dimensions.

    Additionally, these archetypes and symbols will also refer to extensive and thorough examination of scriptural archetypes with a basis found in some gnostic texts and the King James Version of the bible.

    So anyone not affine with such labelings is asked not to join this subgroup, or if doing so leave the group, instread of causing disharmony amongst the subgroup members.
    Any challenges as to scriptural or/and scientific interpretations are welcomed here on the open forum however; depending naturally on the feasibility to ask questions provided this thread and the survival of the thread and forum.

    The subgroup will engage TruthWillSetYouFree as a female mirror to me Abraxasinas in a shared responsibility to crystallize the necessary knowledge and understanding for the great metamorphosis of the old humanity as an environmentally verocious Carterpillar into an environmentally pollinating New Starhuman Butterfly.

    I do thank you all for having participated in this test and experiment under the auspices of our cosmogenetic children in the ETs of divers races.

    Thank you for your considerations.

    WE love you all and a grand destiny awaits after the collective starhumanity has been born.

    The New World requires for certain circles to become manifested in a concentricity of waveforms.

    Once the circle of the zodiac is completed in say tiers of 12 individuals in starsign or month or Israelitic tribal association; then these 12 individuals
    will converge as the center of the One.

    Then the 'curse' of the mazzaroth shall be lifted and the One in Twelve will become the Twelve in One and the Many in One will become the One in the Many.

    This then defines the circle as unity and no individual leaders will be required to make decisions for the individual.

    Then an anarchy of Love shall foster the creative genius within all shards of Love; yet allow this Individuality of Creative Selfexpression to function under a common philosophy of knowledge and remembrance about what WE are, where WE came from and wherto WE are going.

    Love has spoken as the Will of God!

    In Love for the All and from the All

    Abraxasinas


    SteveX wrote:
    Oh gracious Abrax

    I have a question. Considering you have been given a fair go here... your thread opened and a private-ish area. Was there any need for this?

    ---------quote----------

    So any form of skepticism and ridicule or innuendo questions will become reflected to yourselves as yourselves, as will your indications to process and assimilate my prospective answers to your questions.

    Iow, it will become a 'ordinary' discourse of Q&A without any exterior superpositioning of your inner archetypes.

    Like in the marvellous chatroom of Gaia Love and Celine, in which I had a bit of fun in as Anubis; any questions you might pose will be like in the chatroom; colloquial and without the images of devouring dragons or similar.

    Consider the photograph of TonyB. on my Profile to be the One you are addressing any questions to.

    I have however 'eaten' my dragon and with help from Richard and Celine the false Devil-Images have become trapped within themselves.



    --------------end quote-----------

    Or are you devilishly taking the ****=ssip.


    A: No no Steve X; the statement simply means whatever IT is 'yin or yang' is mirrored back, like the idea of karma, to the sender. There is NEVER any judgement in anything in the old Q&A or this reopening. This is now VERY different from before. Cant you see the colloquiality?

    Give me a break and lets have some fun. I'm not commander Swanny you know.

    I'll get technical when required, but most of this here is to interact and answer Q when they come up.

    No more tension relax dear friend.

    You have attained a very high percentile in the 'test' on the minus side. So should the Thuban material pan out , well you know.

    Love
    Abrax


    --------note from poster----------

    The "private area" mentioned above is nothing as fancy as it sounds. It was a group created by GaiaLove to put all the "evil" in there away from the eyes of the "innocent"....namely to "tidy up" and move discussion from forum to some link and link under link location...a basement of a sort...a "renegade" place
    -----

    Q: Yes Abrax!, have some fun. I think i missed the whole thing about Bigmo's ballon I shall go back study the old Q & A thread, unless you help me alil bit

    A: Your inside Bigmo's Ballon like an ant say, Nebula9 and so you can crawl about on the inner surface.

    Should there be a hole in the balloon through which you can squeeze through, then you could crawl about the outside surface too and so DOUBLING your world of interaction space.

    The inner balloon becomes the universe with say smaller balloons within in galaxies, nebulae (lol), starsystems, planets, continents,...,you.

    But you cant get out to the 'spiritual' universe outside.
    The thickness (there is none mathematically) or the skin of the balloon is Bigmo's Mirror which has two sides outside and inside.
    From here you get archetypes called 'God' outside looking in the outside mirror and sees himself as 'Antigod' or 'Satan'. So God=Satan, but one real relative to the outside as object (God) and the unreal image of that as 'Satan'.

    Now after some ado, there is Adam and Eve (you) inside the universe doing the same thing the other way round.

    But relative to Adam and Eve (who also mirror each other) the back of the head of Satan becomes the unreal image and this is the archetype of the 'Devil'.

    The so called Devil is the Backside of Satan, both images for the real thing, God outside and Adam and Eve inside.

    The Devil looks at Adam and Eve and they think that its real - it's a phantom, because only the backside of Satan is become real, if somehow the satanic image of the outside, as the Face of God in the Bigmo mirror can become real.

    This is the case if before Adam and Eve went into the Balloon from the 'Unreal Heaven', they both also were a miniature version of the Bigmo Mirror or the balloon as a rubberskin say.
    So ADAMEVE is an unreal doublesided mirror between God and Satan.
    Then God images in the unreal Adam and Satan images in the unreal Eve, so giving Satan objectivity or realness.

    So technically the Universe becomes a Real Surface-Universe (termed a 4D-Riemann hypersphere defined as the boundary of a 5-dimensional spacetime universe - its a torus volume behaving like an area).
    Don't worry about that. You can get it without the maths.

    But this is the physics trick. Because the boundary is a surface encompassing a volume, the outside-inside (topology) thing of Bigmo's Balloon can in fact become rigorously modelled to be 'continuous'.
    Again I am saying this to indicate how one proves this, but this is not required to understand the archetype.

    This Thuban material is all about how to simplify the complicated science jargon into archetypes, everyone can understand after thinking a little bit about them.
    Ok then. You got a real God and a real image of God as the Real physical universe, with Satans face as God's face painted on the OUTSIDE of the Balloon.

    Outside the Universe is Satan--EveAdam--God as 1st creation in Genesis by God in Heaven or the Garden of Eden; with Satan getting real using unreal Eve and God getting real using unreal Adam as his mirror.
    The whole thing is funny really.
    Now God goes on holiday in the sabbatical and changes into Lord God and splits ADAMEVE into ADAM+EVE. Back to Back they still qualify as the One Mirror so as the unsexy 96 say.

    Inside the split becomes a sexy 69 in face to face so taking away the innocence in a physical way and now as Eve with her back to the Devil on the Wall faces Adam, who looks at Eve.

    Because Adam and Eve are two real beings within a real physical universe; this fake Devil face inverted can be gotten rid off.
    Adam and Eve have to become unsexy again to do this. Therefore the many sexist archetypes, the monks and nuns and celibacy and the virgins, leading the the abuse scenarios.

    Back to back as the 96=A MATHIMATIA=A I AM THAT I AM, this can be done, because then Adam and Eve (meaning ANY Man and Woman) both can MIRROR their images INSTEAD of each other face-to-face.
    This is how simple the ultimate archetypology of 1st order is. Primary school stuff. Draw pictures and you understand the creation.

    So Adam looks at the face of the Devil back to back with Eve, who looks at God as the image of the Real God should Satan outside 'get out of the way' so God could look into the Universe.
    God looking then directly sees Adam's Face and Eve will look directly into the face of the Goddess, namely the sexchanged Satan into SATANINA=IN A SATAN with Satan=55=Heaven in a alphanumeracy.
    As soon as Adsam can get rid of the fake Devil face, just by confronting IT as his own false image; as soon the real Satan is redeemed from Bigmo's Balloon and runs around the balloon to the exact other pole in a poleshift to become the Goddess of All looking directly at Eve.

    This is the redemption of God and his brother image Satan to become God and Goddess AS ARCHETYPES of the primordial 1st order.
    No ETs and Dragons and Dragon Slayers and whatever required.

    So the manifesto for this is required before the universe itself and any subsystems, like the planet earth can change, say in Gaia's ascension.

    The recent Thuban story then assigned Celine the 'job' to refuse the seduction of her own Devil/Dragon image of eating the knowledge of 'good and evil'.
    Because Celine, as a New Eve refused to reflect the Dragon; she also did not seduce her New Adam and both of them DID NOT parade the unsexy 96 but the sexy 69.

    Iow Celine and Richard told their own Devil images tro 'Go to Hell' and they did forever.
    So the New Adam and the New Eve became the Dark Messiah couple in trapping the two POLAR devilish images within Bigmo's Mirror as itself.

    Literally, both New Adam and New Eve as an archetype were played out and enacted by Richard and Celine.

    Archetypically, they have become the first and original REAL PHYSICAL DRAGONS of the Universe.

    Do I hear some laughter in the universe. Thank You Ets!
    What you resist persists.

    Only because of this MANIFESTATION of totally new unprecedented archetypes in the history of the universe; could this encoded 'Day of the Lord' manifest in the closure of this Thuban thread and the subsequently also encoded 3.5 days of Darkness of Avalon.

    Then because of this redemptive act; Mary Elizabeth with me Abraxasinas could receive this dispensation and now all of us are ready for our Dragon Dinners; following in the footsteps of Richard as a New Adam and Celine as a New Eve. It's easy now; but this was the cosmic significance of Avalon and its 'trouble'.

    Of course the 'proof' is in the archetypes and so be it.

    Hope this helps Nebula9.

    Love
    Abraxas


    A: You agape are an actor/actress within a play you have co-written the script for.
    The director of the play is the Logos, an indispensable part of which resides within you as your own logos.
    The producer is Prime Creator in terms of being All of the Energy required for the game.
    The playground is the universe.


    A: I was away for a while recharging batteries after running almost empty after the recent razzamattaz.

    What I said to you about my human ID was true. I have not lied on this forum EVER and never will.
    I am in some way sneaky or clever like anyone else. For example 'infiltrating' the chatroom as Anubis.

    I am in no manner affiliated with Any PTB; Australian theologians at Pine Gap or otherwise (Anderson).

    I DO have however a selfrelative DIRECT mental connection to the Cosmic Logos. I do not expect, require or need any validification from anyone or anything about this.

    This connection became effective in a 'soul merger' or 'walk-in' from what I term THUBAN=FREEDOM=ANUBIS=THE MAGIC=THE NAME=WOMAN=66=...
    This in practical and in scientific terms is well justified to become labeled as the 'Council of Thuban' in the 12th dimension. There was NEVER any deception about this, just misinterpretation by the many.

    From this walk-in, occurring March 24th, 1995; a personal and intimate partnership with the Serpent-Word developed and evolved to awaken my own individuated Christ-Consciousness,
    So all I have ever done in practical terms, really, is to 'channel' my own higher self.

    Mystery solved, dear orthodoxy.

    In regards to your other post about Priestly Rites and Hebrew chastity-cleanliness laws; these are passe' in most instances as the misunderstandings of the scribes of the Torah and the OT. First Jesus' new dispensations and now this 2nd renewal of the remembrance will do awy with the violent and jealous god of the OT; requiring 'sweet smelling' carcasses of sheep and goats to be pleased - give it a break Orthodoxy.
    There are two go9ds in the scriptures. One is a fake image of the other true one, the Abba of our master temple/templar.

    Love to you dear brother in the spirit

    Abraxas in the name of John Zebedee, author of the Revelations.


    Q: Can you remember about 8 years ago, there used to be a spiritual website called SpiritWeb? Well, I have a history in Alpha Draconis (Thuban) affairs.... One of the members of that group was asking for help with turning Dracos to the light. I helped her.... It's difficult work to do, as they are so strong beings and can be quite dangerous (The negative ones). If you don't show fear it helps a lot. That work I did (among others) back then could be seen as the start of part one of what's been going on here with you.

    Part two is (I have realised recently) your sharing the Thuban dragon ascention (if you want to call it that) technologies with us. I have come to realise this dragonic material DOES NOT IN ANY WAY over-rule our orthodox angelic material that is prevalent on Earth and other human-dominated systems. The two are in fact complimentary and the presence of both strengthens them both. The additional technologies will now (largely subconsciously) filter through to everyone who is open.

    I don't think many of you truly understand the magnitude of what occurred here on this group in the grand scheme of things. Many "up there" did not believe it would succeed - but it has - and the link was broken at exactly the right time so that it could not be used by negative-oriented beings to further infiltrate Earth and impede the ascention process. It was MEANT to be broken! (and yet it has not been broken, as a link remains and will forever remain between Earth and Thuban - it just is not of a nature that can anymore be used for infiltration of the negative beings). The Ascention process will now speed up, as it can be said now that our ascention technologies are more coplete with the thuban material present. We will all use them - even if we didn't underastand what Abraxis wrote. The mere reading of the material is meant to work with us on a subconscious level more than a intellectual rational level. So much occurs in the huamn mind of which we are not aware.

    I was reading some info on Thuban the other day - and I never realised that it was Earth's pole-star in the time the pyramids were built. There's a lot of history there that I'd like to explore. I have a feeling that we can now delve more into that realm of things now that the ascention technologies have been disseminated...

    Abraxis, do you know much that you can perhaps divulge on history of Thuban-earth relations or anything of that sort?

    Sorry for the rambling and disjointedness - I've just been trying to write everything thats been on my mind to write for the last few days (I actually had another message all written out two days ago but lost it)...

    Looking forward to your replies

    Joel


    A: This represents a very imaginative and balanced account of the interacting polarities Joel.
    Some of your insights indeed portray the windows into the future.
    Some archetypes have become redefined, some are in transit and others still await their awakening, transmutation and assimilation with other, already existing archetypes.

    Your Thuban-Human stories are indeed valid - in the astral hyperspace.

    There never existed physical 3D dragons, but as higherD memeplexes and thoughtforms, they are potent indeed.

    The Draconian energy from the constellation represents this potentialised archetypal energy as a rootmemory in the human psyche.
    It relates also to the existence of the Great Reptiles in the Mesozoic in the Saurian kingdoms of animalia.

    Now the situation is this.

    There existed ET intelligence at the time of the Saurians and this ET sentience, you might label it Draconian; KNEW that IT, the ET sentience was destined to displace the Sauriens in the Mammals, then leading to Homo Sapiens many millennia later.

    It is from this 'forwards time travelling' intelligence of the Draconian ETs, that the present human timeframe became energized and 'mindinduced' with the dragon images.

    The star wars between Draconians and Lyrans say, simply became archetyped from the biological interaction of predator Saurischians/Therapsians (Lizard Hipped) and prey (Bird Hipped) Ornithischians or similar taxonomy.

    Abraxas


    GaiaLove wrote:

    After numerous discussions it has been decided that the Thuban Q&A thread will be restored to the original location. After an intensive review of all the material pertaining to Thuban, it was shown that only the threads in the social group "Thuban Council" showed a violation of the guidelines.

    The Review of Abraxasinas activity at Project Avalon including that of the post in the social group "Thuban Council" warrants the ban remain in place and the thread (Q&A) he created to remain read only.

    We recognize the desire of many of our members to have this material available again and are happy to be able to do so However we do feel it is not in line with the mission of Project Avalon and therefore do not support or endorse the contents of the threads nor does Project Avalon accept responsibility for any harm, physical or otherwise that users may suffer reading this material.


    -----------note from poster-----------

    What you see in the paragraph above is one big pile of bull shit...my opinion...the "transgression" in the "social group" - the banishment place was that the topic of sexuality was discussed and used as a 1st possible excuse to ban and close things up...the group and content is not accessibly ever since mentioning of the Red Robes....
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    IV. Epilogue

    This is the last we've heard from Abraxas. We don't even know if she is still alive in the broken body of John Shadow; on the Forum, she wasn't even sure herself if she. But the Draconian Agenda remains and is happening right in front of people's blind metaphysical eyes (still not developed in the 4D reality). All the people who are embracing channeled entities, who at the same time are promoting the Harvest are basically agreeing with the Thubans, wittingly or unwittingly. They are hoping to get a free ticket to the higher realms. Nothing I am saying could change anybody's mind in regards to what they are believing in. It's the individual him or herself who needs to see and make the decision. Some people may feel the Draconian Agenda is positive and the way to go, and it's not my task to try and stop them from doing that. However, I feel I have been doing my part in telling it as it is. Now it's up to each and everyone to make a decision.

    Lastly, but probably most importantly; who are the Alpha Draconians? Are they who they say they are, or are they playing tricks on humans and interdimensional beings, just like James WingMakers suggests? If James is right, who are they? Well, then they should be the ones that James label The Anunnaki. And who are the Anunnaki according to my papers? The Sirians. And from where do the Sirian Overlords operate? From outside the trap, which is "outside" what we call the 4% universe.​

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    The Wes Penre Papers
    (A Journey Through the Multiverse)

    The Third Level of Learning
    [http://wespenre.com]


    The Third Level of Learning Paper #7: Riders on the Galactic Superwave by Wes Penre, Tuesday, March 12, 2013 (http://wespenre.com)

    pdf

    Table of Contents:

    I.Discussing the Thuban Material from Papers 5 and 6

    i.i. Allies of Humanity and the Hybridization of Mankind

    II.The Galactic Superwave and the 200 Million

    III. A Summary and a Few More Tidbits



    I. Discussing the Thuban Material from Papers 5 and 6

    Now when we have had it revealed to us what the Harvest is all about, and why we are contacted by a flood of channeled entities, we have an even better understanding of what's going on here on Earth and in its vicinity. But before we move on and talk about the Galactic Superwave, or The Wave for short, I want to say a few extra words about channeling and the channeled sources.

    Many times I've wondered if the Sirian Alliance is capable of doing much of the channeling through machines, such as computers. In some material, like the Pleiadians, you can clearly hear that there are intelligent being on the other side, but when you read the RA Material, or listen to Elohim and quite a few others, it's almost like a machine talking. The words don't come easily and the information is hacking itself forward. Other info is quite emotionless and monotonous. Those who channel such entities may say it's because of frequency problems etc., and to a certain degree they may be correct, but I more get the feeling of a machine talking. Still, if this is the case, how can a machine reply to some of these quite complicated questions; especially like those Don Elkins asked in the RA Material?

    It's interesting then to notice what Bashar said as a reply to a questioner in the audience. Harone in this case, if the reader remembers, is a Zeta Gray, a master geneticist of a Zeta Reticulian hive consciousness:

    "Question: What is the purpose and mission of the Zeta contact?

    Bashar: The main focus of their work is multifold. We would say the idea that we would wish to stress the most is the idea that they are teaching you about fear. They are allowing you to move through your deepest fears, allowing you in an archetypal way to bring up those fears for transformational clearing.

    This is one of the reasons why they are interacting with you--in allowing you to understand that you are not a victim, but an equal participant.

    Question: Is this interaction tonight being facilitated by a computer of some sort?

    Harone: Yes."[1]

    So they are admitting to that they at least use computers in the transmission. Of course, we are using computers, too, when applicable, but can still use our normal voices to communicate. The question is, how much is real live and how much is computer transmissions? James WingMakers said in his 2008 interview that ANU uses programs (so called memes) to transmit channeled material, and that no being needs to be present during the transmission. It sounds a little too fantastic, but with our limited knowledge of technology here on Earth, who knows?

    Why then do I spend time bringing this up? It is because if all these different "Harvest promoters" have programs already preset which can anticipate most human questions, the Sirians can make sure that the information is fairly consistent all over the board, if there is one or more key things they want to promote, such as that all aliens are humans from our future. I still don't know exactly what to think of that, although I do know for a fact that many of the so-called "Grays" are us in the future. Now, James is saying that humans are the only 3D species in the universe, but he does not include the interdimensional beings in that.
    The way to look at this is as usual from within. I've learnt from my research that our divine bodies have the whole universe within them (and this includes the light-bodies), and when I said that in Level II, I did not mean only the 4% universe. So this is where the DNA comes into the picture. The fact that we're only using a very small percentage of our DNA, and the rest is considered "junk", we have the answer right there. The activated DNA (before the nano-second) was only a small part, which is comparable with the 4% universe, but now after the nano, all of us have had more of our "junk DNA" activated, and thus expanded our consciousness. This goes for those who are still asleep as well, although they still do their best to suppress that fact. Thanks to the nano-second, we have a large part of our junk DNA activated, which means our potentials are much greater. However, now is the time to start working on what we have as much as we can while still living under the Grid, and the rest will come to us once we break through the prison walls -- all of which has to be done from within. My upcoming book will talk about these things.

    Interesting also is that Abraxas (Council of Thuban), Kryon (channeled by Lee Carroll), and Germane channeled by Lyssa Royal) talk about the nano-second starting in 1987, just like the Pleiadians do. The only difference is that they call it the "Harmonic Convergence".


    i.i. Allies of Humanity and the Hybridization of Mankind
    Although I said earlier that the Channeling Series part of my papers is done, this whole level of learning will in one way or the other touch on the subjects of channeling and some other ways of communication with star beings and star races. I will go as far as calling it a common thread throughout the level. So I am now going to introduce to you another group which I haven't mentioned yet. This group is called Allies of Humanity and is channeled by Marshall Vian Summers.

    According to Summers and his small group, which also includes his son, Allies of Humanity is a group of highly evolved ETs, who have known about Earth and our situation for a long time. Quite recently, there were factions within this ET group who wanted to help mankind out when they saw what a mess we were in and they doubted that we could work ourselves out of it. However, most of their community did not want to get involved, for they simply didn't want mankind to take the step out in space. They'd rather see us quarantined here so we didn't do the rest of the ET civilizations too much harm with our nuclear power and weaponry. Eventually, the smaller group managed to talk the rest of the community into helping us anyway.
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    Figure 1. Marshall Vian Summers
    Shortly after, Marshall Summers started receiving messages from a group which called themselves "The Allies of Mankind" (AOM for short). Their main message was advice for mankind not to receive any technology from what they called The Greater Community, which basically are the star races of business and trade out there, because if we do, these technologically based star beings will make us dependent upon them for our very existence. The Greater Community will, as far as it's possible, offer their technology in exchange for something the governments may think is easily expendable (such as their own citizens) and humanity will get all this stunning tech. However, to get this technology running, we will be dependent upon them for spare parts, repairs and upgrades, and thus we will sell ourselves out to these beings. We will be put in an even tighter grip and our "freedom" will be dependent upon how much freedom the Greater Community think we should have.

    The way I see it is that those who already have us under their control strengthen it by tightening the thumb screws from any possible direction, and also gain our agreements to operate with total freedom when it comes to us. You see, if they cover every corner from where we could claim our sovereignty, it may not matter what we say; they can counter it by saying that we have agreed to do this and that, even if the agreements solely are between our government and them. As long as we see the government as our representatives, we have ourselves to blame. That is just the way it is. If we give our powers away to a government which we elect to "take care of our business", then they greedily grab those powers and use and misuse them as they see fit. In the meantime, people in their naivety choose to think that the government has our best interests in mind. That is extremely gullible, dangerous and irresponsible. If we choose representatives to represent us, we'd better monitor them 24/7. Instead, they are monitoring us. Isn't there something wrong with that picture? The bottom line is that if we don't stop being so embarrassingly naive and irresponsible, we are selling ourselves out to ETs to a point of no return. We have more or less already reached that point.

    Summers' transmissions from the AOM started already in 1977 and has continued up to this day. As usual, we have to be careful with all those groups of star beings who are contacting us, and investigate them from every angle to see if they are who they say they are, and the following quote from Summers, and especially the last part, must be a mandatory promise from all star beings who are contacting us, in order for us to accept them at all:

    "The unpopular truth is that the human family is not ready for a direct experience of Contact and certainly not ready for an intervention. We first must put our own house in order. We do not yet have the species maturity to engage with other races in the Greater Community from a position of unity, strength and discernment. And until we can reach such a position, if ever we can, then no race should attempt to directly intervene in our world. The Allies are providing us much needed wisdom and perspective, yet they are not intervening. They tell us that our fate is and should be in our own hands. Such is the burden of freedom in the Universe."[2]

    This is exactly what we want to hear, but even if so, the ETs may very well play on that fact and tell us exactly what we want them to say so we can accept them. Anything is possible in a web of deceit, but as always, we need to use discernment, and if nothing else, distinguish the diamonds from the rock. I suggest the reader checks out Marshall Summer's website and build their own opinion: http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/. I am going to use a few ideas they present to us in Summers' books, on their website, in their lectures and newsletters wherever it adds to our knowledge base before we move on. And again, remember that things are never black or white; it's both. In a Multiverse anything a being can imagine is possible, and what a being can imagine changes from day to day, and therefore the Multiverse does as well. So even if data sometimes are in conflict with what you understand as being the truth, your truths are "just" your own version of the Multiverse; there is an endless of others, and they are in constant change. Thus is the fluidness of the Multiverse.

    What I like with this group is that they show us exactly how the Sirians Alliance will establish themselves here on Earth after the Invasion, a process we are in the middle of. I have talked so often about the future Machine Kingdom, and especially after the Channeling Series you just completed reading, I think you can see where I'm heading with this. We now at least know who most of the Grays really are -- us in the future. But to come to a point where humanity (or a big split of humanity) no longer value their bodies at all and are willing to sacrifice their divine birth right for a lesser cause, an intervention in the natural evolution is necessary. Humanity needs high level nano-technology to get to that point. We already have most of it, but those who bring it to us (the Sirian Overlords) need to come out of the shadows and become more part of our community in a more open way for this to work in the long run. This doesn't necessarily mean that they have to make an announcement on TV saying, "We are here and we are your friends!", although they may take a similar approach. Another possibility is simply to mingle with us, and by using their superior knowledge and IQ, they can directly infiltrate all the areas in life necessary to bring about total control.

    Before this "silent invasion" started, there were still a few Sirians here in human bodies, working among us, but it was more common that they controlled the situation from remote, outside of our reality, from what some call the "lower 4th Density", or the "5th Dimension Negative". My research has led me to the conclusion that a silent invasion is what we're in the midst of right now.

    I think I have made it quite evident so far that the silent invasion has started, and now we need to tail the Sirians to watch and see what their next steps will be. The Sirians have been very clever in stopping any intervention from more friendly star races by dividing and conquering mankind. Therefore, it is just like the AOM[def] say:

    "Perhaps you might wonder why diplomatic efforts are not established to contact the leaders of humanity. This is reasonable to ask, but the difficulty here is that there is no one to represent humanity, for your people are divided, and your nations oppose one another. It is also assumed by these visitors that we speak of that you are warlike and aggressive and that you would bring harm and hostility to the universe around you despite your good qualities."[3]

    We may argue that we don't want a One World Government either, based on the control system we have today, so therefore it may seem like a catch 22. At the moment it really is, and hence in my opinion the solution to the problem is the splitting of worlds as I've been talking about. And then again, the responsibility comes on us. Can you, the reader see, that we can look at this from all different angles, but the soulution is always the same; saying no to the current regime and build something new.

    Digging further into Summers' material, we notice that the star beings he is in contact with are very well aware of the "Gray agenda", i.e. humanity time traveling back to the period around the nano-second in order to get their basic human genetics back. It's like writing something on a computer and click the save button, and after that you can't undo, because the undo button is "grayed out"; you are stuck with the changes you made. If you're not pleased with what you did, you have to start all over and rewrite it the way it was written before you made the changes. This is pretty much what the Gray agenda is all about, but on a much grander scale, of course.

    The big misunderstanding in the UFO community is that they are looking for what they want in all the wrong places. They all want for humanity to get in contact with spiritual, wonderful being from outer space, and not the malevolent ones, of course. Therefore, they look up in the sky for UFOs, hoping that the "good guys" will land. But I agree with what the AOM say here, and I am using quotes from them to back up my own thoughts on all this:

    "Those who engage in space travel do not necessarily represent the spiritually advanced, for those who are spiritually advanced seek insulation from the Greater Community."[4]

    And this is exactly what I have stressed since Level II, where I started talking about the separation between the 4% and the 96% universes. The spiritually advanced beings nano-travel without technology and have no wish to engage themselves with beings whose purpose is greed and power, which is the case in the Greater Community[def] , according to the AOM. I must say I feel exactly the same; knowing that I am a spiritual being of Fire in a divine body, I seek contact with likeminded out in the universe. And in the universe, like attracts alike, and if we keep our intentions alive, our own vibrations will attract the alien communities we wish to learn from and mingle with. We, who have a good understanding of whom we are have no interest in participating in a game which is based on "if I give you this, what is in it for me?" That's the STS[def] game, if there ever was one.

    It's quite obvious that the AOM know about the Gray time travelers (as well as the Sirian Alliance, which is the Greater Community), as hinted in the following section of Summers' free e-book, "The First Briefing", which can be downloaded from their website (the next two books come with a charge):

    "The visitors seek to disable people from having this vision and this Knowledge within themselves, for your visitors do not have it within themselves. They do not see its value. They do not understand its reality. In this, humanity as a whole is more advanced than they are. But this is only a potential, a potential which must now be cultivated."[5]

    I find it valuable to bring these things up again, because they will sling-shoot us right into the next topic of the Superwave. The time jumping Grays do seek to find the mysteries of our emotional body, which is the main focus of their abductions, while the Sirian Grays (in their "space suits") are the ones who are more into suppressing our visions and emotions, except for those they can feed on. Hence, there is a tension between the time jumpers and the Sirians in certain terms, because the Sirians suppress what the Grays try to extract. According to Summers' contacts, none of the abduction scenarios are benevolent, regardless of what the abductees may think! I tend to agree with this statement. I know we are living in the midst of a Living Library, but as a species, we are in a critical developing stage, but perfectly capable of evolving ourselves, without any outside interference from other star races, who have obtained their permission to do so through clever manipulation.

    The AOM say that the "visitors", who are the Sirian Alliance, are involved in 4 main areas, which are:
    1. Influencing important people in power and in charge of religious institutions.
    2. People who have spiritual inclinations and wish to open themselves to the greater powers of the Universe.

    3. This area of involvement include establishing themselves in the world in strategic places, near population centers, where their influences on the Mental Environment can be exercised.

    4. The last is the interbreeding with humanity, because they can't come in their own shape and form, as their physical bodies can't live on Earth, This last influence has been going on for hundreds of years or more…[6]


    Again, this coincides very much with my own research, and what we at this stage are most interested in researching is the 4th area of influence; the "Interbreeding Program". Let's see what they more specifically have to say about the 4th area:

    "Now we must speak of the fourth area in which your visitors seek to establish themselves, and that is through interbreeding. They cannot live in your environment. They need your physical stamina. They need your natural affinity with the world. They need your reproductive abilities. They also want to bond with you because they understand that this creates allegiance. This, in a way, establishes their presence here because the offspring of such a program will have blood relations in the world and yet will have allegiance to the visitors. Perhaps this seems incredible, yet it is so very real."[7]

    ...and also very well put! Hereby the Allies of Humanity have expressed and exposed one of the Sirians' next agendas! This step is very necessary for them, and by doing this, they also put themselves in charge of the Living Library. They will establish their own species here on Earth, bond with us and become our superiors and ride us right into the Machine Kingdom while most people don't suspect anything. We humans have been taught since the beginning of time that we need leaders to be able to function; we need them to decide in what directions we should go, or we're hopelessly lost. And this is how humanity still subconsciously thinks.

    The hybridization of humanity has been going on for a long time. This was in fact what Hitler's Aryanism was all about, so also according to the Cassiopaeans:

    "A: The concept of a “master race” put forward by the Nazis was merely a 4th density STS effort to create a physical vehicle with the correct frequency resonance vibration for 4th density STS souls to occupy in 3rd density. It was also a “trial run” for planned events in what you perceive to be your future.

    Q: (L) You mean with a strong STS frequency so they can have a “vehicle” in third density, so to speak?

    A: Correct. Frequency resonance vibration! Very important.

    Q: (L) So, that is why they are programming and experimenting? And all these folks running around who some think are “programmed”, could be individuals who are raising their nastiness levels high enough to accommodate the truly negative STS fourth density — sort of like walk-ins or something, only not nice ones?

    A: You do not have very many of those present yet, but that was, and still is, the plan of some of the 4th density STS types."[8]


    And now we understand why many of these channeled sources actually tell it as it is to the best of their ability; they are humans in the future, and have a somewhat love-hate relationship with the Sirians. These time jumpers are coming here with help from technology developed from the Machine Kingdom Era, which is already now in its beginning stage. Most of them are here without Sirian consent, as it seems, desperately rebelling, trying to recreate the human race in the future.

    Anyway, the Cassiopaeans tell it exactly as it is. The hybridization has been going on much longer than World War II, but even if it wouldn't, and you are a researcher and a mathematician at the same time, perhaps you can estimate how many vessels there will be available for the Sirian Alliance once they arrive here in clusters -- generation upon generation of recreating hybrids. However, it's of course impossible to get an exact amount; we can only work with probabilities and possibilities. For example; how many of the Aryan vessels bred by the Nazis have stayed "pure" and not bred with bloodlines outside the ones vibrating on Sirian frequencies? Impossible to say. However, it seems like they need 200 million bodies. These 200 million Sirian ETs will then take leading positions where the PTB now are in charge, and the "changing of the guards" will silently be completed. In reality, the changing of the guards is just a formality; it's the "Masters" coming down in 3D to play with us directly instead of pulling the strings on the PTB puppets from outside our limited perception of the light spectrum.

    The hybridization of the Aryan race was after the war secretly transferred over to the U.S. by the International PTB. The most brilliant scientists -- many of them geneticists -- were saved from German justice and continued where they left off once they entered American soil. I am of course talking about the infamous "Project Paperclip", or "Operation Paperclip"[9], which is pretty well known to the public by now.

    The above Cassiopaean quote is from a session back in 2010. Here they say that the real invasion has not yet taken place. Well, now it has -- or the beginning phase of it has. And still, most people say that 2012 went by as any other year, more or less. Well, only on the surface; the prophecies were actually played out, but not in 3D! However, it was 3D that was affected the most behind the scenes.

    So we know the Sirian plan and how 200 million souls are supposedly going to manifest in our reality, but then we have the rebellious Grays. People who have had encounters with the Grays often describe them as the archetype of Grays that we know; with big black eyes and a big head on a very thin, short body. Long arms, perhaps 3 or 4 digits on each hand, and no genitals (if the witness got to see that much). But there are other, slightly different descriptions of Grays as well, where the eyes are smaller, for example. Others are tall; human height or taller, with long snouts. Some of them are Sirians in their space suits, who can manifest here for a short amount of time. Others are reported by authors like George LoBuono to be intergalactic visitors of a not-so-kind type (the Verdants). These beings travel with their thought, and with the Gray insectoid/reptilian template being the best body template in the known universe when it comes to interstellar travel, the Verdants seem to be able to manifest in our 3D reality.

    Then we have the future humans, who look slightly different from each other depending on where in time they are visiting from. No matter from when they come, they have "evolved" and are actually vibrating on a higher frequency than current mankind. So for them to manifest here, a certain procedure has to be done, it seems. According to the Cassiopaeans again:

    "Q: (L) Okay, in this KRLL document there was a statement made that the Grays and other aliens use glandular substances extracted during physical exams of human beings, what they would call the gynecological and the sperm extraction exams, that they used these glandular substances to get high or to feed on, that they are addicted to these, is this a correct assessment?

    A: No.

    Q: (L) Do they use glandular substances at all?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (L) What do they use glandular substances for?

    A: Medicine.

    Q: (L) And what or who do they use this medicine on?

    A: Themselves.

    Q: (L) And what does this medicine do for them?

    A: Helps them cope with 3rd density. It helps them to be able to manifest themselves in a more solid manner.

    Q: (L) Do they also use sexual energy given off by individuals to maintain their status in 3rd density?

    A: No. That feeds them in 4d, as we told you before."[10]


    So during abductions, our future selves are apparently withdrawing samples from our glands in order to manifest more solidly here when needed. According to this quote, it's not only the Grays that do that (something I can't confirm or dismiss). The last part about our sexual energy I have already covered in detail in previous papers.

    It's quite interesting to see now, with all this knowledge, how all these star beings in their own way think they benefit from the so-called ascension or Harvest. Even if most time jumpers are rebelling against the Sirian regime in the future, this is the time when a change needs to be taken place for their future to change. So in that sense, the Gray/human hybrids think they can take advantage of the Sirian invasion, because at the same time, Mother Earth is ascending to a higher frequency together with parts of humanity, who are evolving naturally. Everybody is watching that process, and the Grays try to learn from it so they can genetically manipulate their own faction of our species in a way so they can have control over the process. This can only be done with technology.

    The problem the Grays have is that they don't understand emotions -- we know that -- but if they would have, they could have solved their problem a long time ago. We are human beings, and as such we are different from other star races. If there is something we can perhaps see as a positive "side effect" from ENKI's creation of Homo sapiens, if we subscribe to the WingMakers' story about the holographic bodies, is that we got a wide range of emotions. As Homo sapiens we have always had that, and the Grays know it -- that's what makes us human. But they can't for the life of it figure out what it is or where it comes from. They know, however, how ENKI and his geneticists started the Experiment. They inserted themselves in the prehistoric apes and modified the DNA from within. This is part of genetic engineering on a multidimensional scale. The Grays have tried the same thing by inserting themselves into human bodies in today's world, but have still not figured it out. It's because they don't understand how the emotional body was created in the first place, or how it works.

    Just before I started writing this paper, I looked through some of the Cassiopaean material (it is extensive to say the least) and just "happened" to stumble upon this, also from 2010:

    "Q: (L) I read the new book by Dr. David Jacobs, professor of History at Temple University, concerning his extensive research into the alien abduction phenomenon. [Dr. Jacobs wrote his Ph.D. thesis on the history of the UFOs.] Dr. Jacobs says that now, after all of these years of somewhat rigorous research, that he KNOWS what the aliens are here for and he is afraid. David Jacobs says that producing offspring is the primary objective behind the abduction phenomenon. Is this, in fact, the case?

    A: Part, but not “the whole thing.”

    Q: (L) Is there another dominant reason?

    A: Replacement.

    Q: (L) Replacement of what?

    A: You.

    Q: (L) How do you mean? Creating a race to replace human beings, or abducting specific humans to replace them with a clone or whatever?

    A: Mainly the former. You see, if one desires to create a new race, what better way than to mass hybridize, then mass reincarnate. Especially when the host species is so forever ignorant, controlled, and anthropocentric. What a lovely environment for total destruction and conquest and replacement… see?"[11]


    I couldn't have said it better myself. The part of humankind who doesn't wake up is for a slight moment going to wonder where all these new brilliant talents come from all of a sudden, but then they'll just accept the facts that this is whatever it may be -- who cares? -- and will go back to sleep again; especially so after have been introduced to the newest high-tech devices. People will drool -- but only in the beginning...

    This is what we're up against, because for people to wake up, we need to change the way the human race, from the point ENKI created us, are thinking; we need to change our most fundamental way of being. This is what makes it so difficult; we have to change how the human mind is trained and manipulated. In order to do so, we have to restimulate the very essence of the being; the human Fire, which once upon a time was known as the Namlú'u. It's when our old, original selves wake up to whom we are that progress can happen. Not all souls in the human soul group are "sleeping Namlú'u"; some were created directly from the universal energies at the point when ENKI remodeled the human template. There is no reason why these "younger" souls can't wake up as well, but it makes sense that the Namlú'u spirits, who once knew freedom, will be the forerunners. The rest were born in slavery, don't know any better, and will have to learn by observation. The latter are the ones who most easily and most likely will follow the Sirians into the Machine Kingdom and become the Grays, but even some of the once so wise Namlú'u souls will fall into this trap, unfortunately.

    So let us move on now to the main part of this paper; the Galactic Superwave. I talked about it already in Level I, but put it aside, instinctively knowing that the time was not right to look into it any deeper at that time. I knew it had to wait until Level II or III. I'm glad I did, because this is where it fits in.

    By the way, according to Abraxas of the Thuban Council, the first Starhuman was born on December 21, 2012 (these symbolic dates again). Since then, allegedly many Starhuman babies have been born on Earth. Still, the majority of people on this planet think that aliens, if they exist, are far away, on planets who don't care at all about "insignificant Earth", and that we are isolated here. Little do they know what is happening on their own home planet. We all hope that this will change...

    II. The Galactic Superwave and the 200 Million

    All channeled material (except the RA Material, curiously enough) talk about "The Galactic Superwave", or just "The Wave". Laura Knight-Jadczyk, who transmits the Cassiopaeans, wrote more than 1600 pages on the subject! That's how important she thinks it is. I have read some of it, but not all of it. Much of it is Laura's own musings on the subject, interpreting the Cassiopaeans and adding her own ideas; sometimes also challenging them, which I think is healthy and shows integrity on her part.
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    Figure 2: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
    So, what is the Wave really? What is the sources' own definition of the Wave? Well, the following is according to the Cassiopaeans:

    "Oncoming wave is a transformation from third density to fourth density; so events happening due to the approach of the wave are causing changes across densities and realities! In third density, you will notice changes that will have third density explanations, but they are a manifestation of the approach; you see them as third density because that is your current point of reference! Remember that all reflects in and across all density levels but also there is a merging upon arrival of the wave, it is realm border crossing!"[12]

    What is "realm border crossing"? The realm border is like a dimensional boundary. Planet Earth is currently fluctuating between realms, or densities, and the Wave as a Realm Border is like a cut-off point between one reality and another, or like Laura Knight-Jadczyk put it; a "realm curtain". This is, according to this source, a natural process in the cycle of the universe and happens every 309,882 years, which is almost exactly 12 processional cycles. If you divide 309,882 with 12, you get 25,823.5, which is pretty much one orbit around the zodiac. This galactic wave is therefore thrown out with an enormous force every ~309,000 years from the Galactic Center, expanding outwards. The Wave is not a light wave the way we look at it, and is travelling faster than the speed of light. It's a 4th Density (5th Dimensional) phenomenon, meaning that every planetary body that comes in its way is crossing the realm border from 3D to 4D (or 4D to 5D if we're talking about dimensions). This also means that once the Wave has passed, the planet stays in 4D until the next wave, 309,000 years later. Unfortunately, I haven't seen a reference so far as of what happens when the next 4D Wave comes. Does Earth move into 5D (or the 6th Dimension)? There are indicators that this is not the case, because the Cassiopaeans explain in one session that planets that are already 4D will not be affected by this incoming wave. So, there is an apparent contradiction, unless there is information I am missing.

    The reader may recall from earlier papers that channeled and other sources say that those who won't graduate will be transported to another 3D world in another part of the galaxy, while the Alpha Draconians firmly state what I have always said; the more evolved human will live side by side with those who still haven't "woken up" until the worlds "split" due to the gap between the frequencies. No one can "prove" these things, other than putting puzzle pieces together and choose sources we see as more reliable than others. The "proof" will come once we die and go to the 4D realm. So it's useless to argue about these things and until we get there, we just need to follow our instinct, and follow the threads of information we consider valuable. However, when I hear that people in the current incarnation are going to be picked up in spaceships and people will die in droves and be shoveled over to another 3D planet, I don't believe any of it. Still, there are channeled sources who promote this agenda.

    Now, on this Wave, 200 million+ non-physical star beings are apparently riding. I am putting a plus sign there, because the 200 million are chosen members of the Sirians Alliance, residing in different star systems, and when the Wave reaches their star system, they jump on it and ride it towards Earth. However, there are also a few other star races, not affiliated with the Sirians, who are also riding on the Wave. I almost get the picture of these star beings standing at the railroad station, waiting for the train, and when the train arrives to their station, they hop on and merge with those who are already onboard. Then the train continues to the next star system. And here's a surprise for some people; 36 million of the 200 million souls are Nephilim spirits, according to Laura's group. This highly surprised Laura when she heard it, and she asked them if the Nephilim are considered benevolent in the eyes of humans, and the Cassiopaeans said no. The answer was that they are the soldiers of the "lizzies", which is another name for the Orion Group, aka the Sirian Alliance. We're going to talk a little bit more about the Nephilim before this paper is finished.​
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    Figure 3. The Nephilim.
    Now, here is the kicker! At one point Laura is asking the Cassiopaeans where they are transmitting from, and they mention another star system. When Laura asks them where the Cassiopaeans went, the source tells her that they are the Cassiopaeans, but when the Wave reaches another star system, they call themselves the name of that star system. For example, let's say the Cassiopaeans are jumping on the Wave in Cassiopeia, to explain this in simple terms. Then the Wave moves on until it comes to Arcturus. Then they call themselves the Arcturians(!) This creates a whole new concept when comes to channeling, doesn't it? What they call themselves depends on where the Wave is at the moment.

    "Q: (L) I got it! You mean that you are the Arcturians, the Pleiadians, and now you are the “Cassiopaeans” because you “are where you are”! And you are riding the wave. Is this wave a straight line connecting all these constellations?

    A: Circuitous or cyclical route.

    Q: (L) So, is it like a spiral?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (L) So we really need to set up a map so we can draw it?

    A: Yes. When we speak from Orion we are “Orions”. When from Pleiades, we are “Pleiadian”, and so on.

    Q: (L) So, all of these channeled books you have mentioned are coming from the same basic source, through different channels, that they are able to connect with because of their different positions in space time and preparation level of the channels, is that correct?

    A: Close. We have given you a Wave crest locator. We are from where we are and speak. Get it? We are where we are.

    Q: (T) So, you are not really Cassiopaeans from the Constellation Cassiopeia?

    A: We are Transient Passengers. When Wave reaches Earth, we merge with you[*].


    Q: (L) When you were at Orion, did you merge with the Orions?

    A: Not on same frequency for realm border crossing.

    Q: (L) What effect did the wave have on the Orion sector?

    A: None. Already at fourth density level.

    Q: (L) Where did the wave originate?

    A: Did not.

    Q: (L) Has it always been cycling through the universe? [**]


    A: Close.

    Q: (T) Okay, you are riding on the crest of this wave in 6th density, is this true?

    A: Yes. We are you in 6th density."
    [...]
    Q: (L) You have said that when the wave arrives that you will merge with us. Is this the same thing that you are talking about when you say that you are us in the future?

    A: No.


    Q: (L) So, we are talking about two separate events or subjects, or two separate points in space/time, is that correct?

    A: No. You are again slipping into trying to apply 3rd density logic to higher levels of density reality. We are trying to help everyone to advance[*]. [http://cassiopaea.org/2010/05/08/the-wave-chapter-2-multi-dimensional-soul-essences/]


    Laura, however, is still calling them the Cassiopaeans and they call themselves that, too, as long as they are communicating with Laura's group. However (and here is where it gets confusing, because it means that it's almost impossible to know which beings are channeled), if the same Cassiopaean group would contact me now, for example, they may actually call themselves the Tau Cetians if that's where they happen to be at the moment. Unless I particularly asked, I would never know that they were the same as the Cassiopaeans, i.e. Laura's group. The Cassiopaeans, and others as well, call this "transient passengers". Some are coming to observe and perhaps interact with humans on an individual basis, while others, just like we've discussed so much, come for more malevolent reasons, seen from our viewpoint. They are here to invade us, like the Cassiopaeans say in an excerpt from a 2010 session, included in Chapter 2 of Laura's online book, "The Wave". Laura is asking if everybody (as in "aliens") who wants a piece of the Earth action is riding on the Wave. The answer is confirmative, and the Cassiopaeans reply, "At Realm Border Crossing."

    Once the Wave hits, and you have your heart chakra opened 51% or more, you're a candidate for the Harvest, which we have talked about earlier. And no; if you feel you do not want to have anything to do with the Harvest you don't need to shut down and not open your heart chakra. Just because you are a candidate, you can say no to the Harvest, but you will do that between incarnations. Don't worry about it; once you're a discarnate spirit, things are a whole lot easier and you will remember when you read this paragraph! Say "no", you don't want to participate, and they can't force you. We certainly need to open up our hearts, but those who agree with me in this matter will choose another direction, away from all this overwhelming technology nonsense. However, to be able to do that, we need to know what nonsense we're talking about.

    Interesting with the Cassiopaeans, who are the ones with the most information about the Wave, is that the more I read the material, the more I see how they confirm what my own research has showed me over the last couple of years. Here is another example; 309,000 years ago mankind was semi-fourth density, and when the lizzies/the Sirian-Orion Group came, there was a fall in density, and after the genetic manipulation, Earth and its intelligent inhabitant went from 4th to 3rd Density. When you read this, think Namlú'u when they describe the semi-fourth beings. This also confirms James WingMakers' story about how higher dimensional Atlantean beings were seduced and manipulated into taking 3D human bodies. And this Cassiopaean session is from 8/29/1999, which is nine years before James presented his story:

    "Q: (L) Well, this is one of the problems I am dealing with in trying to write this history of mankind.
    As I understand it, or as I am trying to figure it out from the literature, prior to the “Fall in Eden”, mankind lived in a fourth density state. Is that correct?

    A: Semi/sort of. fourth density in another realm, such as time/space continuum, etc.

    Q: (L) Okay, so this realm changed, as a part of the cycle; various choices were made: the human race went through the door after the “gold”, so to speak, and became aligned with the Lizzies after the “female energy” consorted with the wrong side, so to speak. This is what you have said. This resulted in a number of effects: the breaking up of the DNA, the burning off of the first ten factors of DNA, the separation of the hemispheres of the brain…

    A: Only reason for this: you play in the dirt, you’re gonna get dirty.

    Q: (L) What was the motivating factor for playing in the dirt? What essential thing occurred? You said once that it was “desire-based imbalance.” What was it a desire for?

    A: Increased physicality.

    Q: (L) What was the objective sought for in this desire for increased physicality?

    A: Sensate.

    Q: (L) How was sensate first experienced so that these beings had an idea that they could get more if they increased their physicality?

    A: Not experienced, demonstrated.

    Q: (L) Demonstrated how, by whom? The Lizzies?

    A: Basically.

    Q: (L) Demonstrated in what way? Did they say: “here, try this!” Or did they demonstrate by showing or doing?

    A: Closer to the latter.

    Q: (L) They were doing things, experimenting, playing, and saying: “look, we are doing this, it’s so great, come here and try it?”

    A: Not really. More like: “we have this, you could have this too.”"[13]
    [...]
    "Q: (L) Okay. The “Fall” occurred. It seems like, and some of the archaeological studies indicate, that for many thousands of years, there was a peaceful existence and a nice agrarian society where the goddess or female creative forces were worshipped. At least, this is what a lot of present-day books are proposing…

    A: No. These events took place 309000 years ago, as you measure it. This is when the first prototype of what you call “modern man” was created. The controllers had the bodies ready; they just needed the right soul matrix to agree to “jump in.”"
    [...]
    Q: (L) What did they decide about sex? I mean, sex was there. They were having sex. Is that it? Or, did they understand the cosmos as sex?

    A: More like the former. After all, that is what got you guys in this mess in the first place! Just imagine the sales job if you can: “Look how much fun this is! Want to try it? Oops, sorry, we forgot to tell you, you cannot go back!”"[14]


    I find it rather fascinating that I came to the same conclusions in my own research as what the Cassiopaeans told us almost 14 years ago. It also shows me that I am not totally alone to have come to the conclusions I have here presented in paper format.
    Wynn Free's group that is channeling the Elohim (who have been compared with “The Council of Nine” by many visitors, and me included; something we will talk about in a later paper, are also talking about the Wave. Wynn mentions this in his e-book, "The Creator Gods of the Physical Universe Want to Talk to You", in the chapter named "Ascension". But firstly, on page 127, the Elohim say:

    "Those that choose not to ascend will remain with the third dimensional life process and will undergo great difficulties. They will be rounded up to begin their renewed progress in third dimensional activities in another area.

    Council of Elohim
    "

    This tells us where they stand in all this; they are one of the groups proclaiming that these who won't ascend will go to another planet. And they continue telling Wynn some quite disturbing data. They say that after the shift (from 3D to 4D), the "slate will be wiped clean", which means from memories. This very much coincides with both the WingMakers material, LPG-C, and the S.A.A.L.M., who all talk about Blank Slate Technology (BST, or "The BEAST". See Level I for more info). However, the Elohim are more liberal here (maybe to keep us calm) and say that the memories will always be accessible (but they don't say how). Still, the bothersome memories we will have in the shift will be diminished or erased! Well, that's a pretty stunning statement, and contradicts all other material, which say that we need to take responsibility for our own timeline and work through our difficulties.

    The Elohim also say that the Veil is getting thinner, and by the time of the Shift it will be thin enough so the Elohim (and other ETs) can more easily communicate with us. This coincides with the Bashar video I was talking about earlier in this paper, which unfortunately was taken down. The Elohim call the Shift a transition to the 4th Dimension, which of course confuses the matter for the non-informed reader, where other information indicates a shift to the 4th Density or the 5th Dimension. I guess we just need to learn to think in terms of the group we are currently researching. So, when we talk about the Elohim, we talk about an ascension to the 4th Dimension, and when comes to the Cassiopaeans, it's the 4th Density. I am going to use the term each group uses, respectively.

    Anyway, the Elohim further talk about how mankind after the Shift will be able to much more easily use remote viewing due to that the Veil is getting thinner, meaning the boundary between dream state and the conscious mind is what is thinning out. The ones who welcome us on the other side, being our guides, helping us through the Harvest process, are the RA and the Elohim Group, they say. I find that interesting, because the Thubans say the same thing regarding themselves. Well, there is no doubt they are all in this together, because we hear this information directly from the horse's mouth.

    Elohim, too, talk about a portal that is opening, just like Abraxas did when she mentioned the vortex opening between Sirius and Earth. And all this I am mentioning regarding the Elohim can be read in Wynn Free's free online e-book. There they also say that the ascension will happen in spurts, and that the first people who ascended did so in 2008, and the next spurt was estimated in 2009 (the book was written before these dates).

    Now, back to the Cassiopaeans. I am going to use them, and have used them, as a major reference when it comes to the Wave, because Laura has done a great job compiling the information, and I strongly advise the reader to look into it, even if her book is 1600+ pages and more than 40 chapters long. Other sources mention the Wave in their channeling, but are never as specific as the Cassiopaeans, because Laura and her group concentrated a lot on this subject for a long time.


    ii.i. The Return of the Nephilim

    The Nephilim as the soldiers of the Sirians? This is how the Cassiopaeans present them. If you recall from Level II, the Pleiadians were here, giant in stature on their home planet, assisting the Sirian Alliance in genetically manipulating mankind. These Fallen Angels inserted themselves in human males and started having sex with human females, whom they found attractive. It sounds like the Pleiadians were here both to have sex with women and let their DNA be seeded and mixed so they had vessels they could use here in 3D. Hence, they used Sirian/Orion labs to mix Pleiadian genes with the genes of humans. The result from these experiments became the Nephilim, the Giants that walked the Earth, according to Bible texts and other old, sacred scriptures. The Pleiadian spirits then jumped bodies between human males and the Nephilim. Depending on how giant the Nephilim were, only a few of them could have sex with human women, or they had to have sex with each other, and thus created more offspring who were giants.

    There is also stories of these giants mating with human women, but like I just said, that must have been very uncommon due to the size of the Giants' phallus. However, the stories go that when human women who mated with Pleiadian Giants were to give birth, the process split them open and the mother died; the baby was too big! This could only be the case with the smaller Giants, however, who were perhaps between 7-8 feet. In fact, there were Giants here on Earth in those days who were up to 300ft tall! The Cassiopaeans explain it as I do in one of their sessions which I have lost the date and URL to, unfortunately:

    "Q: (L) At the time of the tower of Babel it says that the Nephilim looked on the daughters of men and took wives as if there were some friendly interaction of some sort... does this mean they broke ranks and had feelings for their human "wives"?

    A: No. Another deception of history. Picturesque way of describing genetic experiments."


    I have listened to Pleiadian lectures where they confirm all this regarding themselves, and that Giants were actually still walking the Earth during Roman times (the Roman fought them up north, on Celtic land), and they were not too uncommon even in the 15th Century CE. On occasion we see humans who are between 7-8ft tall today, even. Anyway, if we go back to biblical times, Atlantis and Lemuria, the Nephilim were very common, and many of them were put in leading positions by ENKI and his people to be the rulers over mankind. Many Nephilim were very wise and some of them were benevolent and taught humans practical things they needed to know how to do things better. Others had a horrible temper, and some ate humans for breakfast. Others taught us how to make weapons and how to use them to become soldiers. They also taught women how to paint themselves to look more beautiful and to enjoy and wear jewelry. By the Nephilim, humanity was taught vanity in some respect, but also beauty, which is supposedly a Pleiadian trait.

    "Enoch 8:1-3: And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven."

    With time, more genetic manipulation was done, and the giant gene was taken out of the Nephilim DNA. After a few generations, most of this species were born much smaller, but still looked quite sturdy. We can see these offspring even today in men and women with unusually thick bone structure and sometimes a tad taller than humans in general. Nephilim hybrids are still among the ruling class around the world; they were chosen by ENKI to be rulers of mankind, in conjunction with those who had the purest Orion blood, coming from ENKI himself. ENLIL, ENKI's stepbrother, however, did not like the Nephilim at all, thinking they contaminated the human Experiment, and most of them were wiped out in the Deluge on ENLIL's command.

    Michael Lee Hill, whom I have written papers about, and who himself suggests he could be a Nephilim hybrid, said in a radio show recently on "Other World Radio Network" that he'd spoken with the Grandmaster of the Priory of Zion, who confirmed just about everything I've said in this subsection. And speaking of Michael and the Nephilim hybrid colonization around the Great Lakes in the past, I found this on the Cassiopaean site:

    "Q: (L) I was reading some of the transcripts earlier today. One of the things I read was about the Nephilim and their interactions with human beings and about other planets and molecularization, etc. Then, I was reading about the planet Kantek. Are there any human beings, on Earth, at the present time, who carry in them the Nephilim genes?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (L) Would these Nephilim genetics be passed down in the natural way, or would they be the result of genetic manipulation by genetically altering a fetus and then putting it back?

    A: No to latter. One clue: double Y chromosomes.


    Q: (W) That's male...

    A: Nephalim were.

    Q: (L) They, were male. Women are a double X, men are XY.

    A: Prisons are filled with double Y's with monstrous personality disorders, almost always Caucasian and over-sized.


    Q: (L) On TV they interviewed a serial killer. He was HUGE! He described killing. The shrink who was analyzing said he did it because he wanted to get caught. I did NOT get that feeling. I think he did it just because it was what he did. Is there any other clue you can give?

    A: Nephalim are not currently on your world, just trace residuals.

    Q: (L) Trace residuals in people. And there are supposed to be 36 million of them coming...

    A: With the wave. "


    Don't get me wrong; I am not suggesting that Michael Lee Hill is an over-sized criminal of course, but the above is yet another indication that there are remnants of the Nephilim still here on the planet.

    So what does it mean when the Cassiopaeans say that the Nephilim are coming back? Did they ever leave the planet? No, of course they didn't -- how could they? The Nephilim were genetically modified to fit in the earthly environment and couldn't space travel. Are they then talking about the spirits of the Nephilim? Yes, this is one option, and these spirits would in that case be Pleiadians. And like Barbara Marciniak's Pleiadians say in their lectures, "Just because someone comes from the Pleiades, it doesn't mean they're benevolent beings." I mention this here, because the Cassiopaeans are telling us that the Nephilim who are returning are Sirian soldiers. Marciniak's Pleiadians are also talking about the return of the Giants, which will be soon, and it will be a mix of good intended and not-so-good-intended Giants. The Nephilim, according to Sitchin, are the Fallen Angels themselves, such as ENKI, ENLIL, MARDUK etc. I don't agree on that at all, but it's now recorded in our Akashic Records, due to Sitchin, and therefore the channeled sources, who draw some of their information from our Akashic records, are using this definition as well and mix it with the true definition, which can be confusing for people.

    Here is an excerpt from a Cassiopaean session, mentioning the return of the Giants, or the Nephilim (from November 2, 1994):

    "Q: (L) Who carved the stone heads on Easter Island?

    A: Lemurian descendants.

    Q: (L) The natives say the stones walked into position. Is this true?

    A: No.

    Q: (L) Well, how?

    A: Tonal vibration.

    Q: (L) And what did these stones represent?

    A: Nephalim.

    Q: (L) Is this what the Nephilim looked like?

    A: Close.

    Q: (L) Does that mean that the Nephilim were present in Lemuria?

    A: Close.

    Q: (L) Where was Lemuria located?

    A: Pacific off South America. Right near, all around Easter Island is remnant of Lemuria.

    Q: (L) What happened to Lemuria?

    A: Submerged close to time you refer to as Fall of Eden, approximately.

    Q: (L) Well if the Nephilim were brought here nine to twelve thousand years ago [as you have said previously]…

    A: Last visit. Have been here 5 times. Will return.

    Q: (L) The Nephilim are going to return? [I was pretty shocked, to say the least!] Where do the Nephilim currently live?

    A: Orion.

    Q: (L) They live in the constellation Orion? Where is their planet?

    A: Don’t have one. In transit.

    Q: (L) The whole dad gum bunch is in transit?

    A: Three vehicles.

    Q: (L) How many Nephilim does each vehicle hold? [At this point I think my voice was shaking.]

    A: About 12 million.

    Q: (L) Are they coming to help us? [I was hoping!]

    A: No. Wave, comet cluster. All using same energy.

    Q: (L) Using same energy to what?

    A: Pass through space/time.

    Q: (L) Does this mean that without this comet cluster they cannot pass through space/time?

    A: No. “Slower.”

    Q: (L) So, it is slower for them to come here without this Wave. Where is the Wave coming from?

    A: Follows cluster.

    Q: (L) It follows the cluster. What does this Wave consist of?

    A: Realm border.

    Q: (L) Does the realm border wave follow the comet cluster in a permanent way?

    A: No.

    Q: (L) Is the realm border associated with the comet cluster each time it comes?

    A: No. Realm border follows all encompassing energy reality change; realm border will follow this cluster passage and has others but not most."[15]


    There are a couple of things in the above transmission that are interesting. First of all they say that the Nephilim reside in Orion, which would be true, because the Pleiades are still considered part of the Orion Empire. The Orion connection is also mentioned in Neverend Wikipedia, under "Watchers", which has a pretty extended exposé on the Nephilim. Here is a tidbit:

    "The two main groups of Nephilim are the Antediluvian Nephilim and the post-flood Nephilim. Both groups conducted genetic experiments on man, but the post-flood Nephilim continued even after being told not to by God. The Nephilim have since allied themselves with light and dark factions including the Annunaki and Orion."[16]

    So, the Cassiopaeans mention comets as well in regards to the Wave. Have you noticed lately (this was written in mid March 2013) that there has been a big increase in comets in the solar system? Or at least, it's reported more often now in the media, because these comets are passing quite close to Earth. My readers know about hollowed out Sirian space craft in form of comets, asteroids, and planetoids. We may therefore ask ourselves; how many of these comets were inhabited by Sirians? Now, if we read the above Ouija session, they mention a cluster of asteroids, which most certainly contain Sirians who are chosen to come here to Earth to take over the direct leadership of our planet.
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    Figure 4. Comet PanSTARRS, passing so close to Earth in the beginning of March 2013,
    that we could see it after twilight with our naked eyes.
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    http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/02/us/comets-2013/index.html?iref=allsearch]


    III. A Summary and a Few More Tidbits

    So, if the channeled sources are telling us the truth, a Galactic Wave which works as a "Realm Border" is on its way towards our solar system from outer space. On this wave of energy ride approximately 200 million star beings, eager to interfere with human development. 36 million of these beings are allegedly Nephilim (Pleiadian soldiers), ready to defend the Sirians if something goes wrong, now or in the future. The Sirian Overlords themselves are riding on the Wave themselves, apparently coming in clusters of comets (battleships).
    Once the Wave arrives, it will cut a boundary between the 4th and 5th Dimension, and what will happen to people here on Earth depends on whom you're asking. Some say that those who are ready to graduate (51% positive) will be "raptured" by the Wave right there and then and a moment of "illumination", where they experience being One with the whole universe, occurs. These chosen ones will feel a second or two of incredible bliss before they enter the 5th Dimension. Those who are left behind (the majority of mankind) will suffer catastrophes in form of earth quakes, floods, and other planetary weather phenomena which will wipe out a big chunk of the population, and the rest will be swept away in the astral to a planet in another solar system where they will wake up with a blank slate (no memories of whom they were before), and they have to start from the beginning and experience 3D again from the ape stage and forward.

    Another version is that those who graduate will feel great joy when the Wave arrives, and when they die from this lifetime, RA, Elohim, or Thuban spirit guides will help these people through the process of graduation, and when they reincarnate, they will do so in 5D bodies, which will have a much wider perception of reality than those in 4D (or 3D, depending on how we look at it). Those who don't graduate will continue reincarnate in oblivion, and after a few reincarnations, the worlds will split due to the big differences in frequency between 4D humans and 5D humans, and they can no longer perceive each other's realities.

    And lastly, the Thuban version, where they say that new, dragonized Starhumans are being born as we speak, and we will be genetically manipulated into becoming more reptilian. Hybridization, by the way, will happen regardless of which version will be the correct one. Also, who says that not all of the three versions above can happen? The Multiverse is fluid, and we choose our own reality.

    On top of all this, the Sirian Overlords and their allies will use hybridized bodies to incarnate here on Earth and put themselves in leading positions (they are the so-called Orion Group according to most channeled sources). High technology of a kind we can't even imagine in our current state will be introduced to mankind on a regular basis, and those who are ignorant will fall for this and become the Machine Riders in the new, global Machine Kingdom, which will eventually turn humans into cyborgs, and eventually into the Grays. The Pleiadians say that we can expect cyborg technology to be introduced in a big way already by 2035. That is within the lifetime of many young readers of this material; maybe even in my own lifetime if I live that long. This is what many researchers call the New World Order and a One World Government.

    All I can say is we have to see how this pans out. We know at least what the plans are. Unfortunately, these are no fairy tales; the material is backed up with evidence. It's all part of the since long planned prophecy, and many organizations here on Earth are working hard to fulfill these prophecies, although very few know what they are really all about (there are many crackpots as well in this business). But that doesn't matter to the Sirian Alliance; the fewer who know, the better. As long as their "helpers" do what they are supposed to, things will turn out in Sirian favor; at least that's what they think.

    And then we have us, who know about all this. This knowledge is carrying us forward up to higher frequencies. We need no technology to do so, because we will do it the way it was meant to be done; we do the work ourselves, and that work is 100% inner work. Remember, we have the whole existence -- past, present, and future -- embedded inside of our physical and metaphysical bodies. We are in charge of our own future and we can create it exactly the way we want it to be. Of course, this is something I am very eager to research further and further. I already have a whole book in my head which just more or less needs to be written; something I will do after Level III. I am sure that book will be followed by more books, and more books, because life is an endless learning process, and this is all the documentation of my own journey, which I am happy to share with whomever is interested to read about it and perhaps find a diamond or two.
    I hope you will follow me to the next paper!
    Love,
    WesPenreSignature112512.
    Wes Penre

    Notes and References (hit the back button on your browser to go back from where you came after have read the note):

    [*] And this is exactly what these 200 million non-physicals are coming for -- to merge with us. This is exactly Abraxas' point as well; it sounds okay if presented in a certain way, but once we look through the agenda...They are not trying to help us advance; they think they are helping themselves to advance, plus they need to feel they are in control over us. Therefore, everybody is pointing fingers at each other in order to confuse the matter. Are some of these 200 million us in the future, i.e. Grays in different stage of evolvement (or devolvement rather)? I would say definitely so, but the majority will be of the Sirian Alliance.
    [**] Here the Cassiopaeans look at Laura's question from a bigger picture, from which the Wave has always existed and has no beginning or end, it just is because time does not exist on the highest level of thinking.
    [1] Source: http://www.lyssaroyal.com/trans85.htm, op. cit.
    [2] http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/marshallviansummers.php, op. cit.
    [3] Marshall V. Summers, "The First Briefing -- Book 1", p.4, op. cit.
    [4] ibid., Chapter One, op. cit.
    [5] ibid. op. cit.
    [6] ibid. Chapter 2, op. cit.
    [7] ibid. op. cit.
    [8] http://cassiopaea.org/2010/05/12/the-wave-chapter-14-all-there-is-is-lessons-or-candy-will-ruin-your-teeth/
    [9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
    [10] http://cassiopaea.org/2010/09/15/the-cassiopaeans-answer-questions-about-ascension/
    [11] http://cassiopaea.org/2010/09/25/the-stargate-conspiracy/
    [12] Cassiopaean session, March 18, 1995, op. cit.
    [13] Cassiopaean session, August 28, 1999, op. cit.
    [14] ibid.
    [15] http://cassiopaea.org/2010/05/08/the-wave-chapter-1-riding-the-wave/
    [16] http://neverend.wikia.com/wiki/Watchers
     
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    The Wes Penre Papers
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    The Third Level of Learning
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    I. Abstract. Galactic Federations and Councils

    Somewhere along the line, almost any channeled source we listen to is going to mention that they belong to one Galactic Federation and Council or another. This is normally presented as a positive thing, and people who are digging into the material feel that there is a chance in the future that humanity may join as well. Then there are others, like the Pleiadians, who don't like Galactic Federations. They have been channeling their information for almost 25 years, and every so often they get a question about Galactic Federations. It has come to a point where they get almost irritated and just say, "We are not hot on Galactic Federations."

    When I decided to look into these space organizations, I did my best to look at them objectively to see if I could find a connection between some of them, or if they all are separate from the others. What I did was to gather all the different federations and councils I could find out there and listed them. Then I tried to find out which specific group was talking about which council, and if these groups had any relation at all. The result is going to be presented in this paper.

    II. A List of Galactic Federations and Councils

    This list is far from complete, and I actually looked into more than these, but to save the reader from too much headache, I narrowed it down to those that I found at all significant for us in today's world; many of which we will stumble upon sooner of later in our research if we are into the UFO field. So, here they are, in no specific order:
    The Council of Zindar/Zendar/Saturn
    The Council of Thuban
    The Nibiruan Council and the Galactic Federation of Worlds
    The Council of Nine
    The Galactic Federation of Light (Previously only "The Galactic Federation")
    The Ashtar Command
    The Allies of Humanity
    The Greater Community
    The Galactic Federation of Planets
    The Council of 12
    The Council of 24
    The Elohim Council
    The Guardian Alliance
    The Andromedan Council
    The (Galactic) Federation
    The Confederation of Planets
    The Orion Federation
    Sirian High Command
    The Galactic Federation of Planets
    Intergalactic Federation of Sovereign Planets (IFSP)


    As the reader can see, there are a lot of councils and federations, and it seems like a lot to research and perhaps the subject for another 10 papers, but fortunately it's easier than it looks like at the first glance. We have already gained knowledge from the previous papers in Level III, and that will show to be of some significant help. It's also not my purpose to go into each group in detail; all I want to do it to show the connection between them and what effect that may have on us here on Earth. That is the only thing that is interesting at this point. Also, some of the Federations listed above are just other names for the same group, as we shall see. I think the reader can see the significance of bringing this up in order for us to distinguish who is who (something no one, amazingly enough, as done before, frm what I know).


    III. The Galactic Federations and Councils Under the Microscope

    When we listen to channeled material where they say that they are not part of any hierarchy, and that hierarchies are oppressive and unfair and create different classes of people, most people think that sounds good. However, what I show is that most of these sources belong to a Federation, Confederation, or a space council of some sort. It looks like no matter which council or federation they are members of, it's a part of a larger hierarchy that is taking us all the way from the bottom (the councils and federations here on Earth, resulting in the Illuminati Pyramid), out into the astral, to the next star system, across the whole galaxy and beyond, perhaps ending in the KHAA with the Thuban Council.

    So let us take a look at these galactic and intergalactic organizations and learn who is who and what is what. The following organizations will be listed in hierarchy order where possible. The first one is therefore the highest federation known to me in a descending hierarchy.


    iii.i. The Council of Thuban

    This is supposedly the oldest council in the Milky Way Galaxy, residing in the 12th Dimension, which is outside of the physical universe, in the VOID. They call themselves Dragons, but say they are the "good Dragons", admitting to that there are lower dimensional Dracos who are not as friendly. Thuban is a star system in the Draconis constellation, and because it's the brightest star, it's called Alpha Draconis.

    The Thubans say that they are a big part of our ancient history and participated in the early seeding of our planet. They are supposedly the ones who planted the reptilian brain into our mammal brains.

    They claim to be in service of the One Creator (all star races are, whether they are good or bad, Wes's comment), and say that the Sirians are humanity's best friends[1].

    The reason they have contacted us here on Earth at this time is because they are allegedly in charge of the Harvest. Abraxas, who is a High Council member and a walk-in, is telling us that the Thubans need to genetically manipulate Homo sapiens into becoming dragonized "Starhumans", ready to approach the 5th Dimension. It has to be done with technology, and this is the way God intended it to be. According to Abraxas, there is no such thing as "natural ascension happening without interference". Interfering with, and genetically manipulate, an ascending species is the natural way, she says.

    All star races who promote the Harvest are in one way or another talking about a Superwave heading towards Earth. Some say it originates from the Galactic Center, others say it originates nowhere; it's always been there and will always be. The Harvest and the ascension will happen when this wave, upon which 200 million star beings ride, reaches our solar system. Those who have 51% or more of their heart chakras open are potential graduates.

    Many of those who have not at all prepared themselves and know nothing about what's about to come down will have their neurological systems fried and they will die in the process. Others will go through extreme hardship with strange weather phenomena and sickness, but some will still survive. Those who are ready to ascend, however, will feel very little discomfort, but instead feel great joy, and for a short moment under the transition from 4D to 5D they will feel the Oneness with the whole universe, which is an indescribable "euphoric" feeling.

    The Thubans say that they are us in the future, but also our ancestors -- the ferocious Dragons. They claim that the whole universe consists of only humans in different stages of development. Due to that time is simultaneous in a fluid Multiverse, Earth is now being visited by our future selves in form of the Grays, who are here to steal our DNA in order to regain their emotionality and personalities; both of which they lost along the way in the Machine Kingdom we humans are about to create for ourselves in our present now. In other words, there are no other "aliens" in the universe except humans in different stages of development! This is what the Thubans are teaching, and this is what most other channeled sources and Galactic Federations are teaching us as well, although most people ignore that fact and don't even notice it. Whether this is true or not is something time will show; we need more evidence in order to once and for all establish this as the truth, but I must say that in the light of evidence based on intensive research, it looks like this could be the case.

    Thuban Guardians will wait for those who are due to ascend and will transport them to the correct place in the astral where they can obtain their 5D bodies which are there for them, ready to use. And here is the confusion: will the person incarnate as an adult in an adult body, or will this super-enhanced body be placed as a fetus in an impregnated earth woman for the 5D human to incarnate in? We don't know, because we never get any clear answer to this.

    We get the impression, however, that the Harvest may happen between lives but can also take place while the spirit is still incarnated. Our friends and neighbors will still live around us even if they don't ascend, but those who ascend will vibrate on a much higher frequency, and after a few generations, those who don't progress cannot hold the higher frequencies, and that's when the splitting of the world will take place.

    [1] The Thubans mention Sirius a lot, and want to push that the Sirians are our friends, by pushing that the dogs are the manifestation of Sirian on Earth, and that the first stargate will be opened between Sirian and our Sun. This stargate is most probably already open.

    Sources and references:
    http://www.thuban.spruz.com/blog.htm?cachecommand=bypass&pageindex=5; http://www.galacticchannelings.com/english/wanderer04-01-12.html; http://www.birthofgaia.com/t234-thuban-101; http://www.thuban.spruz.com/blog.htm?cachecommand=bypass&pageindex=5; http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900; http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&id=AA6C2853-C1C0-470F-BE65-B3ECBFE7D0A2&fid=DEBB8EAC-B175-40A5-9056-DDF2CBD8A410&cachecommand=bypass&pageindex=1; http://www.birthofgaia.com/t116-abraxas-thuban-qa.


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    Biography of Wes Penre
    by Wes Penre, Apr 11, 2005

    Wes Penre in 2004
    Ever since I was a little kid I was wondering why people couldn't get along, and why there were so many wars going on. Couldn't people just get angry with each other for a while and then sit down and negotiate? And even if they didn't come to an agreement, was it really necessary to kill innocent people because of that?

    I remember watching all those war movies on TV, and of course, I have to admit that like any other kid I liked the excitement and the thrill that the movies produced, but I still couldn't understand why all those people had to die just because a few persons in the government were "mad" at a leader from another country. I thought there must be other solutions to all those disagreements. And why were the citizens so willing to go out and kill, and being killed, just because someone else was mad or had a disagreement. After all, before the government decided that a certain country was the enemy, or for some other reason was worth fighting against, the people had no intentions to kill the supposed enemy. Now, like robots, they suddenly hate everybody in this foreign country and are willing to kill everybody the see. Some of those people who went to war against a certain country might even have had friends from that particular place. It didn't make sense to me. I asked my parents, but they didn't really know. Then I recall I brought this up in school when I was in 5th grade, but the teacher just laughed, amused, and said that it was all about politics and defending our country. I never really got an explanation.

    In the early 70s I joined the hippie movement, mostly because it was anti-war. I let my hair grow and expressed my feelings about the Vietnam war. In the evenings I sat with my friends and discussed politics. I was never interested in joining a specific political party, although some of my friends were active. However, I noticed that nowhere did anyone have a satisfying explanation to the phenomenon of war.

    To me, the 80s was a dark era in the history of mankind. The hippie movement had died out, except for some lingering hippies whom were stuck on drugs and since long had abandoned their ideas of a solution. People seemed to wander around aimlessly, without goals, seeming to care more about taking Jamaica vacations or staying in nice Cancun hotels. The music industry promoted hard rock and heavy metal, which eventually developed into the pure satanic death metal. I was playing in a band in the early 80s, and we were playing a mix of traditional rock and hard rock. At least at first. I left the group when the rest of the band members wanted to play more heavy rock music, which I didn't like. I started writing my own songs instead, which were almost purely political, or rather anti-political. In the beginning my songs were much about asking question, but delivered no answers, because I didn't have any at that time. Not until later I started including solutions in the lyrics.

    Wes Penre in 1992
    In 1985 I was pretty confused about life. I was single, drank quite a lot of alcohol, and thought that life had lost its meaning, more or less. Then, by accident, I stumbled upon a secret society. At this time, for personal reasons, I prefer not to say which one. All I can say is that this society is promoting a New World Order and a One World Government, and it is occult and satanic. However, I didn't know that then. It seemed to me that what they had to offer were solutions, and they answered a few of my questions that I'd had for so many years. I was very excited and joined blind-folded, without knowing anything at all about secret societies.

    By 1988 I got married to a female member of the group, and I had by the end of that year advanced all the way to the highest grade in this secret society. I read a lot of confidential material and practiced a lot of magic on my way up. I was able to remote view, leave my body at will and had some extraordinary occult powers due to the "rituals" that were practiced within the society.

    Not until I was all the way to the top (or the OFFICIAL "top") I started realizing that something was wrong. Something didn't feel right, although I felt so much more "powerful" and "enlightened", and had gotten quite a few questions answered about life on a spiritual level, and the physical as well. The society told us NOT to study any other religions or philosophies besides this one. If you did, you would be sincerely and strictly corrected. The reason that was given for this was that if you mix different philosophies, you lose your path and get confused. Just like with any religion, THAT specific secret society was the one with the only relevant answers needed to go free from the trap of the Physical Universe.

    Ironically, the Internet saved me from getting even more involved in this occult group. When I got my first computer I started researching, although I had been told not to, and found out from former members of the secret society what it really was all about. They made all the sense, and they opened up my eyes totally. This is also the time when I started researching other secret societies, how they are connected, and what their common goals are. I was stunned when I found the truth. Now, at last, I understood how this world was set up and why there are wars. I finally understood the pyramid structure, the secrecy and the propaganda that had kept us in darkness for so long. I remember telling my wife about it, but she did not want to listen. This made me very sad, because I loved her dearly, and wanted her to see the truth about the secret society she was involved in. At that time I couldn't understand why she couldn't see what I had seen.

    Now I do. It is very complicated. She is a very intelligent person and a skilled painter, so there was no intellectual reason why she couldn't see it. The reason is the fear of losing something she had dedicated half of a lifetime to. She joined the society in 1974, eleven years before me! If she would leave the group, she would leave all of her friends behind, and her whole concept of reality would change. That is a BIG step to take, and not many people who have been involved for so long are able to get out. It was with great sadness that I broke up from her in 1999. We had too many conflicts about what is true or not, and after had shared a common reality for so long, when my reality of a sudden changed 180°, the relationship could not continue. In addition, she would get in trouble with the group if she stayed married to someone who no longer was dedicated, and even opposed the group.

    Wes Penre in 1992
    It was late in 1998 that I published the first version of my website. I named it "Illuminati News", because my intention was to keep it updated on a regular basis, so people could see how the New World Order develops, and hopefully find a way to stop it from happening. I dug into this with great enthusiasm, thinking I could make a big change due to that so many people are surfing the Internet and will be able to read the information. After a while I realized that it is not going to be as easy as I thought. The overall mind controlled population has a hard time breaking loose from the lies they have been told; many choose to stay where they are, because it's convenient and feels safe. To fight something this big is frightening to most people, and they prefer not to know. This is understandable, but we have no other choice than to educate ourselves. Not until then the programming we have been the victims to for so many decades can be reversed. Not until then can we choose an individual spiritual path that will save us from the New World Order. I discuss this more in depth in my article "How to Fight the New World Order".

    Since I first published my website in 1998, I have changed the layout a few times, but the purpose has stayed the same, and it has now grown pretty big. Hopefully it will give you, the reader, a good overview of the whole concept, and from there you can continue your own research.

    I wish you all the luck on your spiritual journey, away from this trap we call the 'third dimension',

    Wes Penre,
    2005

    http://www.illuminati-news.com/biography.htm


    AUTHENTIC MESSAGE FROM THE KING OF THE ANUNNAKI: PLEASE READ!

    Posted: October 18, 2011 in Exopolitics, Aliens, and UFOs, Nibiru
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    by Wes Penre, Tuesday, October 18, 2011 @ 3:45 AM
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    Utu, son of King Nannar

    Note from the Editor: First of all; this is an authentic message!

    I was contacted yesterday by Utu Shamash (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamash), who is the son of King Nannar of Nibiru, and brother of Inanna. He has returned to Earth with a message from his King to put on what the King considers “friendly websites”.
    Utu found my Papers at http://wespenre.com/ and found them surprisingly accurate regarding Ša.A.Me. (Nibiru) and Ša.A.Mi. (the Nibiruan people). He emailed me and asked for a service. His King wanted me to post the following statement here on my blog.

    I agreed to post the message Utu brought down to Earth, but said I want to put a note along with it to give the citizens of Earth (Ki) a heads up! He took my message to King Nannar, who agreed I could do that. So therefore I want to say the following:

    The Ša.A.Mi. (better known as the Anunnaki) are returning! They say they want no harm to be done to us “lulus” (humans); they say they owe us and want our forgiveness for what happened in the past (to understand this you really need to read my Papers at wespenre.com, or Zacharia Sitchin’s books). The way to do this is to come down to Earth and fight the Anunnaki who are stationed on Earth since millennia (those who followed Marduk in his rebellion against the Ša.A.Me. Kingdom). Marduk and his cohorts have ever since been pulling the strings of most of the Global Elite, and the Ša.A.Mi. are returning to Earth to take care of business, overthrowing both the disloyal Anunnaki and the human Global Elite, by some called The Illuminati (http://illuminati-news.com).

    We don’t want history to repeat itself! I do NOT want humans to take sides in this upcoming battle of the ‘gods’ and once again be used as cannon-fodder and foot soldiers in their war. They say they come as liberators, but they do not come in peace. So humans, whatever you do if you want to change history and follow a more enlightened path: stay out of this conflict! DO NOT TAKE SIDES and DO NOT FIGHT IN THEIR WAR!

    This is their conflict. We can’t stop them from coming, but we can step aside and let them do their thing without interfering. We are tired of fighting wars, and don’t let corrupt government leaders manipulate you into thinking we need to go to war against this “Invader Force”. The governments (the Global Elite) are only using us because they think we’re fearful and stupid. Show that we lulus have grown up and are a species of peace. Let everybody outside this planet learn that we are a peaceful race. Let Ša.A.Mi. take care of their own and the Global Elite, and we’ll go from there.
    I have had two long correspondences with Utu so far, and I know that this is the real deal. Laugh at it if you must, but take it seriously if you are smart. Personally, I am known for being in a good mood, making jokes even in the most serious situations. However, now our future depends on how you read this email, and I’m deadly serious.

    However, DON’T BE AFRAID! They say they come to bring peace, and as liberators, perhaps, but their minds are still on war, and that is in conflict with my own mindset, at least.
    Let our hearts work now, more so than our heads! Be ONE in spirit through these events and we will come out on the other end; hopefully as intact as possible. Let them fight THEIR wars – it’s their karma, and we are released from ours by not participating.

    Maybe one day we can unite with the Ša.A.Mi.; live together and visit each others worlds in peace. Still, they set the stage with their arrival, showing us what their real imperatives are. Will the result of their visit to Ki be REAL peace and unity, or war and separation? We shall see… We lulus are ready for peace and unity as a species; let it therefore be a guideline for the Incoming. They will show us who they are by example. Have they changed since ancient times, or is history repeating itself? That’s what we have to look at.
    Let’s see how this pans out and let’s go from there…
    Love,
    Wes

    (Here beneath is the message to all humankind, from King Nannar of Nibiru (SAM is short for Ša.A.Me. [Nibiru] and Ša.A.Mi. [the inhabitants of Nibiru]):

    LET IT BE KNOWN BY ONE AND ALL

    The work done by Mr. Penre is surprisingly accurate regarding SAM and its inhabitants.
    SAMs are not invading the planet. SAMs are returning to what once was a planet they inhabited in greater numbers than human, until humans began to outnumber SAMs. This asymmetry continues today.
    Those SAMs who returned and those who stayed behind are subject to the King, but reject royal authority and stand against the Kingdom as enemies in kind and in fact. This will be realigned properly on return, and those who stand with them will be eliminated as pawns and as proxies which is what they are in hopes that the power and position now held will continue with the victory of their patrons.
    Nothing is further from the naked truth.

    Anything that is held to the contrary is contrived, dishonest, self-serving and likely the work of proxies. Believe them not, for everyone will be held contemptible by the beliefs held and by the heart that beats in their chests — this by the word of the King, my father.
    SAM is near. It will shine in the southern half first and then appear to the rest of KI in a sixth of a Royal Set. The Royal Set is the number of the King.
    SAM will be red in color. Much is already known and anticipated. Much more will be disclosed and known about SAM by SAMs already here. Truth will be known. Believe what you must and be responsible for what you believe, but get information from oracles, not from anyone else.
    ———————————————————————————-
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    empty. Re: The Legacy of Thuban Omni-Science De Alpha Draconis Omega

    empty. mudra Today at 4:34 pm
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    VI. Birth of the Starhuman


    The human body, whether it's the old human (the current race), or the enhanced human, is indeed divine, says Abraxas, and here I totally agree with her, as the reader knows. Every cell in the human body is the equivalent to a galaxy in the universe.
    The Milky Way Galaxy, for example, is one single cell in the human body, and you as a being exists within a single cell in your own body. It's only an illusion that you exist outside of that single cell.

    An organ, such as the liver, is thus equivalent to a galactic supercluster (a huge amount of galaxies orbiting each other).
    If we then expand this concept and include your whole body and count all the cells together, we have the whole universe. This is not metaphorically speaking, but literally!
    So says Abraxas.
    You alone exists as a whole universe, and the belief that you and I are separated is another illusion.

    There is only you; nothing else exists! If you were able to 100% understand the implications of that statement, how would it make you feel?
    I bet it would make you feel very lonely. No one to talk to, no one to bounce ideas with, no sex, no one to share your love with except yourself... So what would you do in a situation like that?
    Well, if you were omnipotent, you could do anything, so why not just create more of you, but in smaller factions?
    And why not let these smaller factions explore a cosmos which appears to be outside of yourself, but is in fact a super hologram, like a movie where all your counterparts were interactive?


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    Clarification on 'The Wes Penre Papers'

    wespenre2-.21496.

    [10:16:58 AM-Tuesday, March 3rd, 2015 +11UCT] 666: Shiloh
    [10:17:15 AM] 666: why are you endorsing Penre?
    [10:18:13 AM] 666: can I get an answer please?
    [10:18:52 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Sure read what I commented upon and you see it is an expose
    [10:18:59 AM] 666: I read
    [10:19:03 AM] 666: I saw no expose
    [10:19:03 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: He is nabs
    [10:19:11 AM] 666: I know you said that to Raven
    [10:19:15 AM] 666: it changes nothing
    [10:19:27 AM] 666: what you did is not exposing
    [10:19:30 AM] 666: it is endorsing

    [10:19:45 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

    [9:21 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

    <<< [4:06:13 AM] Sirius 17: you like this wes guy huh?

    [4:06:33 AM] Sirius 17: interesting he found our material off bog
    [4:06:38 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Lol he is well read and intelligent but nabsey as they come
    [4:06:39 AM] Sirius 17: that should make 666 happy
    [4:07:04 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: He follows Sitchin and the Laura Jancyck woman and believes in Nibiru
    [4:07:09 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Do I have to say more?
    [4:07:30 AM] Sirius 17: ok sorry
    [4:07:36 AM] Sirius 17: I was just asking
    [4:07:54 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: he is a nice guy and I posted a nice pic of him with a dog
    [4:08:04 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: But then I had to expose his nabs mind
    [4:08:10 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Look at the last post
    [4:08:12 AM] Sirius 17: nice of dd to defend xeia
    [4:08:30 AM] Sirius 17: I see Susan is going off again
    [4:08:47 AM] Sirius 17: yes I am trying to catch up with everything
    [4:09:24 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Susan is losing it because she is not getting attention about her cosmology and now thinks hers is superior as it is 12D - Thuban is 11D didn't you know?
    [4:10:48 AM] Sirius 17: yes I saw that
    [4:10:50 AM] Sirius 17: bs
    [4:12:00 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I told her many times, what works of hers are in alignment with Thuban and what is nabs
    [4:12:05 AM] Sirius 17: well I don't see where you made a comment about this wes guys stuff, it just seems with all the videos and stuff at the bottom that you are endorsing it. if you think he is nabsy you should say something yes or at least point out the inconsistencies ect.
    [4:12:33 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Her native calendar work and artworks are excellent, as are her dietary and cooking posts.
    [4:13:08 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: But she follows all and sundry quacks on the web and feels that this is in alignment, when it is not and often even counterintuitive.
    [4:13:40 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Come on, he podcasts messages from the invading Annunaki king
    [4:14:01 AM] Sirius 17: and you expect the moabytes to distinguish lol
    [4:14:10 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: There are many forums out there critically examining his nabs beliefs
    [4:14:25 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: No but let them make of it what they will
    [4:14:53 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I am surprised you don’t get the gist of this expose straightforwardly
    [4:14:57 AM] Sirius 17: sure , I just thought it might be nice if you commented
    [4:15:23 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Nope, but you can. But I reacted to this seashore nabser
    [4:15:55 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: She loves dancing and music and should stay with that, instead of feeding the gullible and naïve with deceptive disinformation
    [4:16:17 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: So she synchronised with my post see and I decided to push WesP.
    [4:16:58 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I took her biography from his site and added pics and then presented the counter argument
    [4:17:05 AM] Sirius 17: I don't see her post, is it in another place? Seashore
    [4:17:39 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: So it seems like I support WesP despite him presenting Thuban as the Annunaki
    [4:18:20 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: And he is ok as a human with a good heart, but he stumbled on the GOT and the codes.
    [4:19:07 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: My signature there then makes the 'Dragon Statement' using this nice Neverending Story tune and the Sistine Chapel archetype
    [4:20:22 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7797-who-controls-whom#109782
    [4:20:34 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: It is all about control and possession see?
    [10:19:54 AM] 666: Shiloh I said I did read
    [10:20:03 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Nope, this is a clear expose
    [10:20:06 AM] 666: how?
    [10:20:22 AM] 666: it is an endorsement
    [10:20:29 AM] 666: even Raven saw it
    [10:20:29 AM] 666:

    [9:22 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

    <<< [4:12:05 AM] Sirius 17: well I don't see where you made a comment about this wes guys stuff, it just seems with all the videos and stuff at the bottom that you are endorsing it. if you think he is nabsy you should say something yes or at least point out the inconsistancies ect.

    [10:20:43 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: [10:19 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

    <<< [4:06:38 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Lol he is well read and intelligent but nabsey as they come
    [4:06:39 AM] Sirius 17: that should make 666 happy
    [4:07:04 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: He follows Sitchin and the Laura Jancyck woman and believes in Nibiru
    [4:07:09 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Do I have to say more?
    [4:07:30 AM] Sirius 17: ok sorry
    [4:07:36 AM] Sirius 17: I was just asking
    [4:07:54 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: he is a nice guy and I posted a nice pic of him with a dog
    [4:08:04 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: But then I had to expose his nabs mind
    [4:08:10 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Look at the last post
    [10:20:50 AM] 666: I said I did read
    [10:20:58 AM] 666: worst thing is
    [10:21:16 AM] 666: no one on Mists will know it is supposed to be an "expose"
    [10:21:26 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: If you read the end he gives a message from some Annunaki king
    [10:21:31 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Good
    [10:21:33 AM] 666: I read the end
    [10:21:35 AM] 666: I read
    [10:21:42 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Let them form 'opinions'
    [10:21:49 AM] 666: let them form opinions?
    [10:21:57 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: yes
    [10:22:03 AM] 666: why mix things this way?
    [10:22:07 AM] Sirius 17: he means 666 that his stuff is so nabs it should be obvious that it is not Thuban endorsed. But I agree with you in that I feel the moabytes cannot distinguish either.
    [10:22:15 AM] 666: it is NOT obvious
    [10:22:18 AM] 666: that is the point
    [10:22:31 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Because it is time to allow certain 'self delusions' appear to be Logos truth
    [10:22:36 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Good
    [10:22:43 AM] Sirius 17: yes I see your point
    [10:22:53 AM] Sirius 17: in other words, let them try to sort it out for themselves
    [10:23:10 AM] 666: I don't see
    [10:23:12 AM] 666: I don't see
    [10:23:31 AM] 666: it is time to allow untruth to appear as Logos truth?
    [10:23:36 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Suggested result

    2 Thessalonians 2:10-13 [Full Chapter]
    And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. ...


    [10:23:39 AM] 666: is this really coming out of your mouth Shiloh?
    [10:23:49 AM] 666: yes but
    [10:23:52 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Absolutely
    [10:23:55 AM] 666: why try to decieve them on purpose?
    [10:24:01 AM] 666: why mix it?
    [10:24:02 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: You don’t understand 666
    [10:24:06 AM] 666: ofc I do not
    [10:24:08 AM] 666: why I ask
    [10:24:17 AM] 666: I wonder
    [10:24:25 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

    [5:13:56 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Hmm March 3rd
    [5:14:04 AM] Sirius 17: so some grieving time
    [5:14:14 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: It ends to 150 days
    [5:14:28 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: 5 months of the flood and scorpions
    [5:14:39 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: 1st woe ending
    [5:15:01 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: 1260-1290-1335-1335-1290-1260
    [5:15:26 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: This shows you that the 3½ years are beginning in the image
    [5:15:32 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Rather a powerful nexus
    [5:15:56 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: October 5th-March 3rd to be exact
    [5:16:00 AM] Sirius 17: I don't dislike 44 or anyone, what I strongly dislike is for years now her not saying two Ooopsey to me and then talking to 666 and the rest behind our backs. This I really and truly dislike.
    [5:16:24 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: And you should absolutely NOT care or be affected by this
    [5:16:29 AM] Sirius 17: it doesn't affect me one way or the other but it does make me wonder
    [5:16:50 AM] Sirius 17: I don't care but I do wonder why it happens
    [5:16:51 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I would say, that she talks to 666 and 666 is now double dealing just as in November 2013
    [5:17:11 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: She feels the timeshift period
    [5:17:29 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: The anti is dead in archetypes
    [5:17:59 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: 5335’s bd began the double mirror as 75+75=150 days ending today
    [5:18:20 AM] Sirius 17:

    [5:16 AM] Kali 666:

    <<< Shiloh
    why are you endorsing Penre?

    Sirius 17 said: see this? so even 666 reads it like an endorsement too. I know you are not but they cannot read between the nabs lines like we can.

    [10:24:45 AM] 666: they cannot
    [10:24:49 AM] 666: they will not
    [10:24:52 AM] 666: so
    [10:25:01 AM] 666: is that the purpose of it all?
    [10:25:04 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Double dealings 666
    [10:25:10 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Yes
    [10:25:13 AM] 666: to keep spreading disinformation?
    [10:25:16 AM] 666: why?
    [10:25:34 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: because THEY HAD the potent information for 5 years and chose to ignore it
    [10:25:38 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: No more excuses
    [10:25:47 AM] 666: this is not an answer
    [10:25:50 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: This is NO disinformation
    [10:25:53 AM] 666: it is
    [10:25:57 AM] 666: you are mixing it
    [10:26:05 AM] 666: you publish it straight
    [10:26:07 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Anyone actually reading this last post will see that it is an expose
    [10:26:13 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Luckdragons 666?
    [10:26:19 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Neverending Story?
    [10:26:33 AM] 666: post 64? no
    [10:26:35 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Shrek's Donkey mating with the Mother Dragon?
    [10:26:52 AM] 666: just because you added a picture of him and a dog and some Thuban pictures at the end does NOT expose him
    [10:27:05 AM] 666: if anything it mixes him up with Thuban material
    [10:27:11 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I am sorry you can’t use your starhuman mind and remain in the human bs
    [10:27:12 AM] 666: it is endorsing
    [10:27:20 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Yes
    [10:27:26 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I added two pics
    [10:27:36 AM] 666: I can see what is his and what is yours
    [10:27:47 AM] 666: and in that post it is glued together
    [10:27:48 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: The dog one is truthful but the other one is shady
    [10:27:49 AM] 666: why?
    [10:28:00 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: PURPOSE

    [10:28:15 AM] Hades: how about adding a big bold red note to the end: THUBAN DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS CRAP
    [10:28:25 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: All on purpose
    [10:28:30 AM] 666: what purpose exactly?
    [10:28:52 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: To empower celestial jurisdictions
    [10:29:05 AM] 666:

    [10:27 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

    <<< I am sorry you can’t use your starhuman mind and remain in the human bs >>>
    666 said: thank you for the insult

    [10:29:11 AM] Hades: [10:28 AM] Hades:

    <<< how about adding a big bold red note to the end: THUBAN DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS CRAP

    [10:29:14 AM] 666: still I am still wondering
    [10:29:27 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Not an insult, simply saying that you are thinking like a human period
    [10:29:37 AM] 666: says you
    [10:29:41 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: yes
    [10:29:44 AM] 666: indeed
    [10:30:01 AM] 666: still that is not an actual answer I can take
    [10:30:02 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: On the first page he calls you Abraxas
    [10:30:10 AM] 666: I know what he did
    [10:30:12 AM] 666: I can see
    [10:30:12 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Why did I not call him on that?
    [10:30:18 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Think
    [10:30:24 AM] 666: I am
    [10:30:32 AM] 666: maybe more than some might like
    [10:30:51 AM] 666:

    [10:30 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

    <<< Why did I not call him on that?
    666 said: who said I won't?

    [10:31:08 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: If you can’t see the 'elder nous' here you think not as an elder, but like a human. This is not an insult but an observation
    [10:32:23 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: He portrays the entire 4 pages on his website as Thuban being an 'invasion' of Gaia
    [10:32:28 AM] 666: posting....no...copying "his work" straight off his site, just like that in a few posts, and then closing it up with one with a few Thuban pictures on it at the end is in no way an expose
    [10:32:28 AM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraxas might help to familiarize yourself with the archetype
    [10:32:34 AM] 666: omg
    [10:32:40 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: As soon as I saw this link from fates I was pleased
    [10:32:49 AM] 666: I don't need to familiarize myself with the archetype Raven Jesus
    [10:32:55 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: As the timeframe is so appropriate for this PA recall
    [10:33:08 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: And his writing style is good, though derogative towards us
    [10:33:34 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: BUT this is potent PR. Similar to when Hades created the Thuban 101 and made those videos
    [10:33:58 AM] 666:
    [10:32 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:
    <<< He portrays the entire 4 pages on his website as Thuban being an 'invasion' of Gaia
    666 said: i read it

    [10:34:01 AM] 666: he got this from you
    [10:34:10 AM] Sirius 17: yes but he agreed with it although in his nabs version way as relating Thuban to the Annunaki
    [10:34:12 AM] 666: it is a work of plagiarization
    [10:34:13 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Raven you get this now? Why I was giggling, as soon as I saw it?
    [10:34:26 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Haha
    [10:34:29 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Lol
    [10:34:43 AM] Sirius 17: yeah
    [10:34:47 AM] Sirius 17: I got it
    [10:35:03 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I advertised his work, do you think he finds this as stealing?
    [10:35:21 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I WANT to confuse the moabytes
    [10:35:33 AM] Sirius 17: no idea but he did use our material so tit for tat
    [10:35:35 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: BECAUSE they are already confused with nabs shi20
    [10:36:06 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: There is NOTHING we could say to confuse those morons more
    [10:36:11 AM] Sirius 17: a lot of how this Wes guy assessed Thuban was right on the money but with the nabs intermixed
    [10:36:11 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Look at the whale post
    [10:36:18 AM] Sirius 17: this is where you must discern
    [10:36:23 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Bobbie understood perfectly well on facebook
    [10:36:24 AM] Sirius 17: and at this point, few can
    [10:36:36 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: BBB made a big fuss of how unreadable it is
    [10:36:38 AM] Sirius 17: yes she did
    [10:37:03 AM] Sirius 17: because their minds are nabs polluted and so they can't make heads or tails of the data
    [10:37:15 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: This PROVED that further real data sharing there would be futile
    [10:37:39 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: So the delusions must fall on their own heads, as say per Isaiah
    [10:38:31 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: FYI Isaiah is the dragon book in the OT and utmost futuristic. More so then even Revelation
    [10:39:03 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Isaiah describes the New World throughout; Revelation only in the last chapter 22
    [10:39:25 AM] Sirius 17: so I guess what Shiloh is saying is that it matters not what we say to 'clarify' they already have their minds made up
    [10:39:51 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Of course and in particular I wanted to get at Seashore's 'controlling' nous
    [10:39:55 AM] Sirius 17: and whatever we say will make no difference
    [10:40:31 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: 666 I LIKED WesP style it is VERY readable and recalls the Thuban story of 2010
    [10:40:43 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: So NO EXCUSES for the moabytes now, when the cosmic presence manifests
    [10:41:21 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: They might think Abraxas has selfdestucted in apparently endorsing his work
    [10:41:38 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: He states Abraxas as 'exiled' and defeated in the 4% universe
    [10:41:51 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Can you see deeper now?
    [10:42:39 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: It is a 'surrender' to the human arrogance, yet leads to the human mind exposing itself as utterly ignorant, gullible and naive
    [10:43:20 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:


    [10:43:34 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Here is the Annunaki Dragonking lol
    [10:43:41 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: For the eyes that can see...
    [10:44:02 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: The humans finish up in the rubbish bins
    [10:44:14 AM] Sirius 17: hehe I love it
    [10:44:32 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Scared about the 'evil monsters' and the boy they had bullied for so long
    [10:45:06 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I finish this with Blueys being born as the God endorsing Adam as the Eternal New World
    [10:45:48 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Real dragons exquisitely understand this symbolism
    [10:45:55 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Like children, like Elders from the past creating the future
    [10:46:38 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: CREATING not waiting for it, as you yourself have often said
    [10:47:28 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: This creating is the celestial jurisprudence NOT from the human mind
    [10:47:52 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: WesP elevates the human mind throughout as do the BBB's and nabsers
    [10:50:32 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I also liked his references to the GOT and scripture codes, although he missed any deeper crystallization of what Thubans mean with it
    [10:50:48 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: But it is overall a REMEMBRANCE of 5 years ago
    [10:51:37 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: The humans can’t understand the Logos Words; so we gave them what appear the AntiLogos words, yet describing the same material
    [10:51:58 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: It is 'checkmating' their devil minds with their own 'know it betters'
    [10:52:41 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

    Matthew 12:26 - KJV
    And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?


    [10:53:06 AM] 666: do you think it would be a good time to remind Shiloh who is in charge of heaven?
    [10:53:18 AM] 666: Shiloh
    [10:53:28 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: The Word
    [10:53:32 AM] 666: I really do not mind you making this so called "expose" on Mists
    [10:53:42 AM] 666: you know and Raven knows that they will not get the details of it
    [10:53:46 AM] 666: but
    [10:53:57 AM] 666: in such a case a word of caution would be best
    [10:54:07 AM] 666: or something like what Hades suggested
    [10:54:11 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Look what I said to Raven
    [10:54:16 AM] 666: just to ===
    [10:54:17 AM] 666: I did
    [10:54:26 AM] Sirius 17: he said for me to reply
    [10:54:37 AM] Sirius 17: to clarify
    [10:54:44 AM] Sirius 17: and so a good reply might be this convo lol
    [10:54:55 AM] Sirius 17: so go paste this convo as a reply 666
    [10:55:04 AM] Sirius 17: I double dog dare you
    [10:55:05 AM] Sirius 17: lol
    [10:55:06 AM] 666: point is that nothing of what that guy wrote is his own, I mean people cannot really tell what is Thuban from it
    [10:55:08 AM] 666: and what isn't
    [10:55:15 AM] 666: do you know what I mean?
    [10:55:28 AM] Sirius 17: yes and don't you agree we just discussed all that here?
    [10:55:42 AM] 666: there is no actual discussion
    [10:55:52 AM] 666: the post will remain as such
    [10:56:01 AM] 666: and in that form, how it was executed

    [10:56:08 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:
    [4:14:01 AM] Sirius 17: and you expect the moabytes to distinguish lol
    [4:14:10 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: There are many forums out there critically examining his nabs beliefs
    [4:14:25 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: No but let them make of it what they will
    [4:14:53 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I am surprised you don’t get the gist of this expose straightforwardly
    [4:14:57 AM] Sirius 17: sure , I just thought it might be nice if you commented
    [4:15:23 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Nope, but you can. But I reacted to this seashore nabser
    [4:15:55 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: She loves dancing and music and should stay with that, instead of feeding the gullible and naive
    [4:16:17 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: So she saw my post see and decided to push WesP.
    [4:16:58 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I took her biography from his site and added pics and then presented the counter argument
    [10:56:15 AM] 666: it remains as endorsement
    [10:57:04 AM] 666: yes I read that part too
    [10:57:11 AM] 666: seashore post
    [10:57:27 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: As a dragon slayer, would you actually now READ what you despised before 666; if you thought that this was an endorsement?
    [10:58:05 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: What discussions did we have on the forums since Camelot?
    [10:58:11 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Except persona bs
    [10:58:30 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Nildoni and Lola and ad hominems?
    [10:58:53 AM] 666: all of that only lasted a short time
    [10:59:01 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I know for a fact that suddenly BBB is 'making more sense' of Thuban
    [10:59:41 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: There is and there CAN be NO discussion fruitful about Thuban data dear
    [11:00:29 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: There is no MP3 on moa who can read between lines to any meaningful extent
    [11:01:06 AM] 666: I will try to contact Wes
    [11:01:28 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Why?
    [11:01:49 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: He would be pleased that we pr'd him
    [11:02:20 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Might be a nice stirring of the nabs pot
    [11:03:17 AM] 666: well if anything at least to fix his avatar mistake?
    [11:03:39 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: You are too sensitive
    [11:03:58 AM] 666: he might not even answer
    [11:04:09 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: It's only words, but you know what will 'judge the old world'
    [11:06:05 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

    Luke 11:19 - KJV
    And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.


    John 12:48 - KJV
    He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.


    Revelation 20:13 - KJV
    And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


    75211. 191690. 75211.
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  7. Susan Lynne Schwenger

    Susan Lynne Schwenger The Final Synthesis - isbn 978-0-9939480-0-8 Staff Member

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    can you please show me where i said thuban is 11d,
    because i have NEVER said that
     
  8. Susan Lynne Schwenger

    Susan Lynne Schwenger The Final Synthesis - isbn 978-0-9939480-0-8 Staff Member

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    My 13 lines or 13 keys of "The Original Spark"
    is something i worked on,
    long before Thuban ever had a web presence

    -and, long before we actually meet on project avalon and project camelot
    YET somewhere i seen you use my term 'the original spark' ???

    • losing it ?
    • not getting attention ?
    • thinks hers is superior as it is 12D?
    WOW, those are pretty strong opinions,
    that are NOT based in any fact, NOR, hold any truth

    • both of us, did work on calendars
    • both of us, did work that cracked the dresden codex number
    • in your own words 'no one knows this but us...or, anyone who reads here'
    • NO DOUBT, you've advanced your works on your own, and, all i've ever said, is you are right
    • and, pointed people in the direction of your posts
    • but NO where, do i ever say anything that your 'thuban data streams' are wrong ?
    • or, that my work is superior ?
    • NOT sure where you are mining this information from, but, i'd love to see a link to that
    • what i'm working on relates to the framework of what we are as souls that house spirits
    • and, how i define energy in a lower six, and, higher six expressed equations
    • yes, that might fit into your model, no doubt about that, but, i didn't alter, change, shift or even utilize your formulas to come to my own findings, so, i'm really NOT sure where you are going with your comments ?
      - there is NO doubt, i am much more open to exploring a lot of things than you are,
      and, what is true on earth, might NOT be true in another universe
     
  9. admin

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    [4:12:00 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: I told her many times, what works of hers are in alignment with Thuban and what is nabs
    [4:12:05 AM] Sirius 17: well I don't see where you made a comment about this wes guys stuff, it just seems with all the videos and stuff at the bottom that you are endorsing it. if you think he is nabsy you should say something yes or at least point out the inconsistencies ect.
    [4:12:33 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Her native calendar work and artworks are excellent, as are her dietary and cooking posts.
    [4:13:08 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: But she follows all and sundry quacks on the web and feels that this is in alignment, when it is not and often even counterintuitive.

    This post is not recent, but a copy from 2013 or so and so at least 5 years old.

    You are taking things out of context. There is no agenda behind your back or something like that.
    You have known for many years, that I have always disapproved of many of your many new age sources. And I have addressed this many times with you.
    You 'losing it' AT TIMES, not always, refers to this context in that you are often unable to differentiate between the many sources for your information.
    I have also always commended you on your inputs, which are general and personal to you enough, so as not to interfere derogatorily with what the 'Thuban exposition' should or is about.

    The 'not getting attention' refers to your valiant attempt to be in the public forum and to 'exchange' your information and to receive credit for your work.
    You so appear 'pushy' and self-obsessed with many of your friends and readers.
    Personally, I have no problems with your enthusiasm, as it serves as a perfect balance or even veil relative to my stoic-scientific approach.

    The 'superiority of the 12D to the 11D' comment is a jest, you could not discern. The science of dimensions as a mathematical concept is related, but not limited by how people associate the counting of things like in astrology or the prophecy codes.
    As you emphasize 12x12=144 aspects and such labels in your work, your sense of the number 12 as a completion, then renders your interpretation as 'superior' to the scientific definition of the 11th dimension in supermembrane theory in quantum mechanics.

    So dont 'get your knickers into knots', Susan. Rather take them off to entangle the knots and do other things with them.

    You are appreciated and you DONT need to change what you do and what you are.

    "yes, that might fit into your model, no doubt about that, but, i didn't alter, change, shift or even utilize your formulas to come to my own findings, so, i'm really NOT sure where you are going with your comments ?
    - there is NO doubt, i am much more open to exploring a lot of things than you are,
    and, what is true on earth, might NOT be true in another universe"

    And you got this wrong; as what is true on earth is in fact and by definition also true in any other universe.
    And no, I have never used your term of the 'original spark' in any association, except as referring to your work and authorship of it.
    TonyB.
     
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  10. Susan Lynne Schwenger

    Susan Lynne Schwenger The Final Synthesis - isbn 978-0-9939480-0-8 Staff Member

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    Shiloh Za-Rah: Susan is losing it because she is not getting attention
    about her cosmology and now thinks hers is superior as it is 12D - Thuban is 11D didn't you know?

    that part, in my opinion is just NOT true

    i admire your good work
    - and, i've put a lot of 'good energy' into helping people try to understand it
    over the years, i've also gotten a lot of back-lash from people,
    who didn't think you were right...
    and, i told them, they were wrong, and, that you were right !!!
    • i'm glad you are finally getting people 'to see' this
    • i'm happy that people are starting to open their eyes
    • BUT, trust me, i am NOT losing it !!!
    • the more silly 'empty' equations i see people trying to toss around
    • the more i understand about the reality, and, true structure of all of yours
    • you are doing amazing good work
    • you might even be pleasantly surprised at where the 'next' levels
      of The Original Spark take all of us
    • for readers, who do NOT have a clue who oceanbreeze, 666, DDD, etc, are
      - sometimes your posts just confuse readers - i am NOT oceanbreeze, DDD, or 666
     

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