Operation Scrambleweb

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    meandjoanie. Jorgelito - Posted Feb 27th

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    I think I love anything Patsy Cline sings.


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    She has an alluring voice indeed Jorgelito and rather soothing. I remember dancing to this in slow motion fox trots with some gorgeous females in my arms in the ballrooms in Germany and Australia.

    Here is another old favourite of mine shared here for the appreciating ones.


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    Jorgelito - Posted Feb 28th

    I did not know the Foxtrot could be so flowing, sexy beautiful.

    Shiloh - Posted Mar 1st

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    Susan got her tastebuds right here Jorgelito. It is the body contact of the suaveness and the elegance. You could term it a 'Dirty dancing' of the Classy ExtraTerrrestrial Kind.




    shilohaplace, March 1st, 2014 and of the 3rd New Aries Black Moon in Aries of 4 of 2014; the others being the 1st New Capricorn Black Moon in Capricorn of January 1st with the 2nd New Aquarius Black Moon in Aquarius of January 30th and the 4th New Taurus Black Moon in Taurus of March 30th, 2014. There are no Blue Full Moons in 2014, but 4 Black New Moons.
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    I Am One in Many and Many in One!
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    Jorgelito - Posted Mar 1st​

    • Audrey Hepburn melts my heart. She is beautiful just being herself. Her natural talent flows from this.

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    Shiloh - Posted Mar 2nd

    A Preincarnational Contract of an Oversoul Atested and Witnessed by Itself



    [4:45:21 PM - Tuesday, March 4th, 2014 +10UCT] Sirius 17: do any of them ever read what we share?
    [4:45:51 PM] Shiloh: They might scan lol
    [4:46:13 PM] Sirius 17: so this new chart is just zeroing in on the mirror?
    [4:46:28 PM] Shiloh: Yes as I said to you yesterday
    [4:46:42 PM] Shiloh: I made it clear that this is just the central zooming in
    [4:46:58 PM] Sirius 17: yes which i understood that the abominations and desolations we are going through now
    [4:47:15 PM] Sirius 17: i see the mapping
    [4:47:26 PM] Shiloh: I think I found out something else about the MILD of MI+Lassie+DD || JJ+Laddie+IM
    [4:47:37 PM] Sirius 17: how from the mirror it turns it
    [4:47:45 PM] Shiloh: As you know, for a while I pondered the difference between Mary Mother and MM
    [4:47:55 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [4:48:14 PM] Shiloh: The solution or a solution is this
    [4:48:45 PM] Shiloh: As the codes predate all those incarnations by a thousand years or so, you can easily perceive that there is an oversoul
    [4:49:08 PM] Shiloh: So this oversoul decides to split into three aspects of itself
    [4:49:11 PM] Sirius 17: yes and this goes back to Egypt and that soul group
    [4:49:13 PM] Shiloh: The 3 Mary's
    [4:49:25 PM] Shiloh: And the 3 generations
    [4:49:57 PM] Shiloh: So all MILDS will become mirrors of the original oversoul in then individuations
    [4:50:24 PM] Shiloh: Recreating the metaphysical and NEVER incarnated Adam and Eve and Abraham and Sarah etc archetypes
    [4:51:14 PM] Shiloh: So imo this means that all cores are also such oversouls but are now allowed to differentiate as incarnated souls
    [4:51:47 PM] Shiloh: But this then defines a core from first principles and only requires a bridge to glue them together in different bodyforms
    [4:51:55 PM] Shiloh: This glue is of course the JCCJ
    [4:51:58 PM] Sirius 17: yes i saw this, i see us all as part of each other this whole Thuban group, like we have been mixed up and given some things of each other
    [4:52:43 PM] Shiloh: So you and I for example are also such an oversoul but must core to other bodyforms to allow the JCCJ also to differentiate in its manyness potential
    [4:53:22 PM] Sirius 17: yes i understand this, it is like we are a kind of 'twin'
    [4:53:27 PM] Shiloh: Then you can understand the 3 generations as Mary the Mother and Mary the Lover and Mary the Daughter, which then all become 'in laws' with the 'married' Mary Cleophas or Salome Zebedee becoming the one Body for the other two 'ascended' or 'assumed' or 'dead alive ones' of the Mary Mother and the MM to regroup and rejoin themselves together again
    [4:54:14 PM] Sirius 17: yes i told you i saw this in my own family
    [4:54:23 PM] Shiloh: Now transfer this into the 'personal dramas' of the cores and you can see the solutions to the paradoxes
    [4:54:56 PM] Shiloh: What I call Lassie is the bodyform of the 3 Marys
    [4:55:01 PM] Sirius 17: lol i can't see that deep, perhaps you can
    [4:55:24 PM] Shiloh: Every Lassie then as Baab cores to her Laddie as Abba
    [4:55:44 PM] Shiloh: Blending the 3 generations in the one
    [4:55:44 PM] Sirius 17: yes i can see how the template functions
    [4:56:15 PM] Shiloh: So an ex mother becomes a mother in law and an ex daughter becomes a daughter in law
    [4:56:43 PM] Shiloh: And this 'lawfulness' allows then to blend this old oversoul as a starhuman core lover
    [4:57:30 PM] Shiloh: Of course those 3 generations become then imaged and mirrored in the 3 maleness generations
    [4:58:45 PM] Shiloh: Father Abba-Son Logos-Grandson Holy Ghost with Mother Baab-Daughter Logosia-Granddaughter Holy Spirit
    [4:59:37 PM] Shiloh: But the new thing here is that this reconstitutes the old original oversoul but not now in cosmic metaphysical uniqueness, but as a manyness yet unique in seperability potential
    [5:00:25 PM] Shiloh: This is a beautiful story of the homecomings, if you can see it and ends the agony of separation within the cosmic selfhood
    [5:00:34 PM] Sirius 17: lol that is really complex, i just see it as the higher d DNA distribution like how the chromosomes exchange data on a tetrad
    [5:00:53 PM] Shiloh: You are too complicated here not me
    [5:01:24 PM] Shiloh: What I said is clearly encoded
    [5:01:50 PM] Sirius 17: yes it means these oversouls will come back as whole families basically, right?
    [5:02:09 PM] Sirius 17: like our Thuban family
    [5:02:49 PM] Shiloh: Yes but this family is itself SEEDED as the old oversouls now individuated in the CORE SEEDS
    [5:03:20 PM] Shiloh: It is from those Core Seedlings that the actual Family of Old Oversouls becomes a family of Oversouls
    [5:03:40 PM] Sirius 17: yes hence we are the ancestors
    [5:04:43 PM] Shiloh: In simple words then, all old humans should attempt to remember their origins as oversouls and then try to reform this previous oneness as a Unification in bodyform separations yet unique as a 'cored seed oneness'. Ergo those human searches and longings for their 'twin souls' and 'perfect matches' and 'knights in shining armour' and 'snowhites in wonderlands'
    [5:05:05 PM] Shiloh: Yes, we are both our own ancestors and our own descendants
    [5:05:22 PM] Sirius 17: indeed, this is what i was shown
    [5:05:41 PM] Sirius 17: Allisiam is the oversoul to all of you in me and me in you
    [5:05:49 PM] Shiloh: But this new 'Cosmic Story' must be understood and lived for the JCCJ LoFaB to manifest as the old human matrix transforming into a starhuman matrix
    [5:08:07 PM] Sirius 17: yes well without the JCCJ none of this can be understood or lived
    [5:09:17 PM] Sirius 17: and as you can see, some of us have eaten the lion and some of us have been eaten
    [5:09:39 PM] Shiloh: A rather disproportionate percentage
    [5:09:46 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [5:10:08 PM] Sirius 17: but this should change
    [5:10:21 PM] Sirius 17: i am feeling some serious shi20 going down
    [5:10:26 PM] Sirius 17: i am not kidding
    [5:11:00 PM] Sirius 17: within our Thuban group
    [5:11:06 PM] Sirius 17: but global too
    [5:11:26 PM] Sirius 17: the silence is healing things
    [5:11:33 PM] Sirius 17: allowing reflection
    [5:12:11 PM] Sirius 17: hell i am questioning my own worthiness
    [5:13:08 PM] Sirius 17: or fitness or whatever
    [5:13:31 PM] Sirius 17: i was on such a high before the damn hospital but it has sobered me
    [5:13:46 PM] Sirius 17: i am very fragil atm
    [5:15:11 PM] Sirius 17: so maybe it is the father of lies visiting me
    [5:15:22 PM] Sirius 17: and i just have to suck it up or whatever
    [5:15:30 PM] Shiloh: A Preincarnational Contract of an Oversoul Atested and Witnessed by Itself
    [5:15:54 PM] Shiloh: http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&fid=&lastp=1&id=141CBFAC-9D11-4895-B0B2-065CCAAC2703
    [5:19:07 PM] Sirius 17: i did realize while i was in there i have a huge fear of death and then i came to understand that it is the forgetting
    [5:19:12 PM] Sirius 17: that i fear
    [5:19:22 PM] Sirius 17: i thought i would die in there
    [5:19:28 PM] Sirius 17: be mind wiped
    [5:19:51 PM] Sirius 17: organ harvested
    [5:20:23 PM] Sirius 17: and i realized these were deep deep fears
    [5:20:29 PM] Sirius 17: scarry ass things
    [5:20:54 PM] Sirius 17: things i never really thought about and why i thought about them in there i still don't know
    [5:21:13 PM] Sirius 17: except their drugs induced some kind of super deep fear
    [5:21:24 PM] Sirius 17: loosing all autonomy and control
    [5:21:29 PM] Sirius 17: i was fuc11ing furious
    [5:21:41 PM] Sirius 17: and scared out of my mind
    [5:23:01 PM] Sirius 17: then i began to separate out the fears and could see that some of them just were not my fears
    [5:23:08 PM] Sirius 17: they were just BS
    [5:23:24 PM] Sirius 17: someone elses thought constructs
    [5:23:34 PM] Shiloh: Indeed the memeplexes of millennia
    [5:23:48 PM] Sirius 17: and i wondered why the fuc11 i was experiencing them
    [5:23:54 PM] Sirius 17: if they were not mine
    [5:24:38 PM] Sirius 17: the ones that were not mine were far easier to 'deal' with
    [5:24:42 PM] Sirius 17: then my own fears
    [5:24:55 PM] Sirius 17: to shushh away as you say
    [5:25:07 PM] Shiloh: Yes they are legion as the bible says
    [5:25:19 PM] Shiloh: One CANNOT destroy them but must eat them
    [5:25:28 PM] Shiloh: Redefine them own them as children
    [5:25:48 PM] Sirius 17: lol give them pet names
    [5:26:27 PM] Shiloh: Like Astaroth or Asmodeus or Beelzebub II
    [5:26:39 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [5:27:03 PM] Sirius 17: well i used love on them
    [5:27:15 PM] Sirius 17: why i became so sexual in there
    [5:27:20 PM] Sirius 17: i fuc11ed them off
    [5:27:33 PM] Shiloh: As you might know by now, the cosmic masterplan will Eat all of the Old Evil except one. The 'Evilness' of SEX=48 will be 'brought ALIVE=A 48' in its own divination, albeit 'devouring' all other of the 'deadly' sins or ignorances in the process of becoming so in the 'Devil's Lust' transforming into the 'Desire of the Cosmos' to blend its oversouls together in the hybridized soul forms. All forms of abuse will however remain 'devoured' in the latter's newly constituted 'lawfulness' however then becoming the 'Last Judgement' in the LoFab between the 'goats of the left and the sheep of the right' and the false images and including the 'False Prophets' and the Veritas Eikonas or 'true Images' encoded as the 'Cloth of Veronika' in the scripture codes
    [5:27:52 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [5:28:30 PM] Shiloh: All EVIL as a VEIL will become redefined as the LIVE EVIL 'broadcast' from the Abba-Baab Creator-Creation monadic dyad redefined and reformed
    [5:29:10 PM] Shiloh: Recall that it is the 'Devil that deceived them' will be cast A LIVE into the LoFab and NOT Satan or Lucifer etc etc and who are all separate cosmic identities, yet sharing a common thread or script in the genesis of all things
    [5:29:46 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [5:30:15 PM] Sirius 17: i feel it now
    [5:30:45 PM] Sirius 17: i can feel the JCCJ there and i am like inside and outside of myself
    [5:30:54 PM] Sirius 17: observing myself from two points
    [5:30:59 PM] Sirius 17: if that even makes sense
    [5:31:24 PM] Sirius 17: like i can feel the environment as myself, my body
    [5:31:30 PM] Sirius 17: and my body as my body
    [5:31:37 PM] Sirius 17: and the universe as my body ect ect
    [5:32:09 PM] Sirius 17: like i am embedded into this reality
    [5:32:18 PM] Sirius 17: but i am not really here
    [5:32:28 PM] Sirius 17: i lack the words to express this
    [5:32:34 PM] Shiloh:

    Revelation.19.19-21 - (KJV)

    19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
    20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
    21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.



    Revelation.20.1-10


    1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
    10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


    [5:34:45 PM] Shiloh: This code makes it clear, that the DEVIL is the false image of Satan as the actual 'Brother' of God or better said God's own face in the Mirror of the Space and Time Creation also known as the Universe or Cosmos. So Satan and the Devil and Lucifer all are separate cosmic Identities, so share a common story thread or script
    [5:35:07 PM] Sirius 17: so it is really just me, seeing myself
    [5:35:15 PM] Sirius 17: in the true mirror?
    [5:35:37 PM] Shiloh: Naturally, all incarnates simply witness and reexperience the Creation of the Universe every time they look into a mirror
    [5:39:32 PM] Sirius 17: so when i look at say someone else then i am adding to the definition of myself as I am that am I?
    [5:39:58 PM] Sirius 17: and so too they become included in my experience
    [5:41:25 PM] Sirius 17: and of course this includes 'things' , plants, animals, ect
    [5:42:33 PM] Shiloh: You are seeing the grander picture and tapestry of creation now
    [5:42:36 PM] Sirius 17: we went out to the sea today and i watched the stillness of the water and a few birds were bobbing up and down in the water. As the water lapped the shore i felt myself as the birds and the shore and the sea were all me.
    [5:43:01 PM] Shiloh: As the Obversoul of all oversouls - you understand this now?
    [5:43:08 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [5:43:17 PM] Shiloh: Par Excellence!
    [5:43:27 PM] Sirius 17: i always understood it but now it won't go away this realization
    [5:43:35 PM] Sirius 17: it doesn't let me rest i should say
    [5:43:51 PM] Sirius 17: and i don't know why this upsets me
    [5:44:02 PM] Sirius 17: or makes me uncomfortable
    [5:44:38 PM] Sirius 17: i dont even know how to explain it lol
    [5:45:13 PM] Sirius 17: i just wanted to sit there and not talk and just feel
    [5:46:05 PM] Sirius 17: like the words are meaningless
    [5:46:17 PM] Sirius 17: and can't even begin to describe this
    [5:46:46 PM] Sirius 17: and i don't feel normal if there is such a word for me anymore
    [5:47:11 PM] Sirius 17: i do not feel separated from anything
    [5:47:35 PM] Shiloh: You are 'entering' the higher dimensions, yet you are still incarnated in the lower dimensional bodyform Juju
    [5:48:28 PM] Shiloh: This is actual membrane physics and no Nabs or Oabs so prevalent in the global database today
    [5:49:14 PM] Shiloh: You are like Susan says, a bridge from the old world of the body-spirit separation into a new world where body and spirit are hybridized
    [5:50:08 PM] Shiloh: Solving the quantum paradox in the 'interwovenness' of body and mind in the oversoul in the science jargon of 'entanglements'
    [5:50:20 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [5:50:25 PM] Sirius 17: you have better words
    [5:58:23 PM] Sirius 17: and so the vesica is where the branes meet and merge?
    [5:59:00 PM] Sirius 17: i guess it could be many things
    [5:59:13 PM] Sirius 17: but it is like an entanglement
    [5:59:23 PM] Sirius 17: or space
    [5:59:47 PM] Sirius 17: or cornerstone where the different spaces meet
    [6:01:46 PM] Shiloh: Yes the central region of the Yoni of the cosmic womb
    [6:02:06 PM] Sirius 17: and this is the exchange too, because i can see it in things, like how people have similar looks and how the trees fit into the skyline and the sea touches land, ect
    it is like a ring that runs through everything
    [6:03:13 PM] Sirius 17: your song, the wayward wind
    [6:03:18 PM] Sirius 17: this is what it is like
    [6:03:33 PM] Sirius 17: to just flow like the wind
    [6:04:57 PM] Sirius 17: anyhow i will go for now sweety
    [6:05:09 PM] Sirius 17: i need to lay down for a bit, i can't seem to sleep lol
    [6:05:39 PM] Sirius 17: thank you for talking to me, really
    [6:12:21 PM] Sirius 17: https://www.facebook.com/weartv/photos/a.385933769346.166750.72274029346/10152234809484347/?type=1&theater

    venus_over_florida.


    [6:12:26 PM] Sirius 17: here you will like this
    [6:13:14 PM] Sirius 17: Venus shining over Pensacola, Florida
    [6:18:42 PM] Shiloh: Yes and we know that Venus is Aphrodite and the Greek Goddess of Love and also Lucifer as the Morning Star and as JC and the True Serpent of Eden and then as CJ as the Evening Star as Lucifera aka A Lucifer as Serpentina in the sex op of Set as Satan into Satanina or Judas becoming Judith
    Buenas and have a good rest Juju



    salome_eine_tanzende_sexdive_der_skorpione.


    ----------------------Salome - eine tanzende Sexdiva der Scarabischen Skorpionen!----------------------
    -----------Scorpio-Eagle of John de Patmos Phoenicia-----------

    (61) Jesus said, "Two will rest on a bed: the one will die, and the other will live."
    Salome said, "Who are you, man, that you ... have come up on my couch and eaten from my table?"
    Jesus said to her, "I am he who exists from the undivided. I was given some of the things of my father."
    < ...> "I am your disciple."
    < ...> "Therefore I say, if he is destroyed, he will be filled with light, but if he is divided, he will be filled with darkness."


    (72) A man said to him, "Tell my brothers to divide my father's possessions with me."
    He said to him, "O man, who has made me a divider?"
    He turned to his disciples and said to them, "I am not a divider, am I?"


    Gospel of Thomas Didymos (Lambdin)

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    chartres.
    The archivolts of the north door in the west portal have zodiac signs and labours of the month as described in the table above. Start at the bottom outer right and go to the centre, then restart at the bottom inner right, then move to the bottom inner left and finally the bottom outer left.
    The signs of the elusive Pisces and the shielded Gemini Twins are to be found in the inner archivolt of the south door (photo on right) because there was no room in the north!
    The descriptions and months for the activities used above are taken from the cathedral guide.


    [8:54:41 AM-March 15th, 2012 +11UCT] Tonyblue: Yes, it seems so and the Knight Templars, who financed and built this cathedral as one of many such constructs in middle Europe of course knew what 'cosmic secrets' they portrayed in their symbolisms
    [8:54:46 AM] Tonyblue: http://www.paradoxplace.com/Photo%20Pages/France/Chartres/West_Facade/WZodiac_Door.htm
    [8:56:35 AM] Tonyblue: Read this?
    [8:56:38 AM] Tonyblue: LOL

    [8:56:43 AM] Tonyblue: "The signs of the elusive Pisces and the shielded Gemini Twins are to be found in the inner archivolt of the south door (photo on right) because there was no room in the north!"

    [8:57:00 AM] Tonyblue: ..there was no room... hahah
    [8:57:09 AM] Tonyblue: This is by design
    [8:58:07 AM] Ishtara Raven: lol wow
    [8:58:15 AM] Ishtara Raven: yes you should add this
    [8:58:31 AM] Ishtara Raven: edit where you said Notre Dame
    [9:02:10 AM] Tonyblue: Yes its Chartres de Notre Dame
    [9:02:18 AM] Tonyblue: There is a Notre Dame in Paris
    [9:03:15 AM] Ishtara Raven: ah i see
    [9:03:28 AM] Tonyblue: "The Cathedral of Notre Dame de Chartres"
    [9:03:45 AM] Ishtara Raven: well people might think you meant the one in Paris ...i did at first
    [9:04:33 AM] Tonyblue: Yes I was unsure. I had this in a book someone borrowed and never returned one of my references of 16 years ago
    [9:04:53 AM] Tonyblue: I will edit
    [9:04:53 AM] Ishtara Raven: so cool




    chartres.

    SUSANakaTHE13THBRIDGE akaTHEeXchanger
    The Coding of 'Chartres' - 5 Trees in Paradise​
    The Harmonisation of an Old Astrology in the Elemental Qualities


    I received new data about the '5 trees in paradise' and how this relates to us here and shall give preliminaries to try to make this very clear.
    It is rather important and will explain many things here and the occurrences of the last 3½ years or so from 2010 to 2014.
    It is a beautiful harmony, but I shall take this slowly, so you all can understand this.

    Preliminaries:

    The old and modern astrology knows about elements and 'qualities'.
    There are 4 elements Fire-Earth-Air-Water and there are 3 qualities distributed as 3x4=12 in the elements.
    So each element has 3 qualities in 3 starsigns.

    For example in the Fire element:
    Aries=Cardinal=1
    Leo=Fixed=5
    Sagittarius=Mutable=9
    Always 4 signs apart.

    In the Earth:
    Taurus=Fixed=2
    Virgo=Mutable=6
    Capricorn=Cardinal=10

    In the Air:
    Gemini=Mutable=3
    Libra=Cardinal=7
    Aquarius=Fixed=11

    In the Water:
    Cancer=Cardinal=4
    Scorpio=Fixed=8
    Pisces=Mutable=12

    Now the cosmic encoding is very very precise as to how those 12 signs relate to the rebirth of the old world as a new world. I will describe this later.
    So now to the '5 trees in paradise', which describes a duality becoming as one in a cosmic twinship.

    The very simple sequence is this:
    1-2-{3=Cosmic Twin}-4-5...This is like an ASCENT and relates to ascending signs, the local birthtime at sunrise in a geographical location of the natal birth.
    This Cosmic Twin is however also in a DESCENT with a 'transformation' of the 'qualities' in 10=1+0=1 and 11=1+1=2 and 12=1+2=3.
    So you can write the descending of the harmonisation as 10-11-{12=3}-4-5
    This in most basic form defines the Cosmic Twinship as Pisces-Gemini.

    This is the secret code at Chartres for example, where the Knight Templars placed all 10 starsigns on one side of the cathedral except Pisces and Gemini, which they then placed opposite, indicating a certain significance and symbolism for this placement. I have inserted the correct Templar decoding in terms of the qualities and the decipherment patterns here described in the remake of the northern door of the archivolt of the Tympanum at Notre Dame de Chartres.

    chartres-code.

    So in terms of starsigns ALL qualities ALWAYS harmonise in opposites.
    So Aries=1 as Fire requires the Air of Libra=7 to 'breathe' and exist.
    The opposites are always 6 signs or 180° apart.

    So Taurus Dry Earth harmonises Scorpio Wet Water as the necessity for water to fertilise a dry earth in 2-8 and Gemini Cold Air harmonises Sagittarius Hot Fire as 3-9 and so on.
    BUT this places Fire and Water into cosmic opposition as it does for Earth and Air.

    The Grand Cosmic Reconfiguration redefines or better said ADDS to this scenario in the '5 trees'.

    Because the Earth of the Father in Saturn's Capricorn is naturally harmonised by the Water of the Full Moon Cancer Mother as 4-10; the transformation of Capricornian Earth into the Fire of Aries will allow many new developments in this rebirth.
    IOW the series 5-4-{3=12}-2-1 = 5-4-{12=3}-11-10
    This is important and a key of keys.
    In terms of starsigns then the DESCENT of IMs (Immanuel Melchisedecs say as encoded in scriptures) and also as the 'Dead Alive Ones' or 'passed over lovers', requires 3 'individualisations' to manifest in the 'alive dead ones', who are the quantum waves 'collapsed' in bodies as the complements for the 'quantum bodies' 'dying' or collapsing to reattain their status as 'living waves'.

    The alive dead ones are here in the above coded as:
    5-4-{twinship}-2-1 with 1 blending with 10 and 2 blending with 11 or
    Leo-Cancer-{Cosmic Twinship}-Taurus/Aquarius-Aries/Capricorn

    This is perfect symmetry in the astrological metamorphosis hitherto.
    There is much to follow, but the coring of Capricornian Father with Cancerian Mother in CARDINALITY is EXPANDED and encompassed by a New Fire-Water harmonisation in Aries-Cancer.

    This is followed by an 5-11 Leo-Aquarius Fire-Air quality as the second twinship of the hexacore in FIXIDITY.
    The MUTABILITY becomes a New Cosmic Blueprint in the nature of the {Cosmic Twinship}.

    Now before elucidating on this, another preliminary:

    About 2 thousand years ago, the Great (precessional) Age of Aries ended to begin the Age of Pisces.
    And in 1998 the Age of Pisces ended in the galactic synchronisation to start the Age of Aquarius.
    This for example was decoded by Edgar Cayce, specifying 1998 as the birth of the 'New Avatar', he called 'John the Beloved'.
    The astrophysics also determined that the galactic synchronisation of the ecliptic with the galactic centre occurred somewhere in the first few months of 1998; (Mees, says April-May 1998, for example).

    But here the deeper codes are the order of the starsigns and many 'allegories' in scripture, such as the 12th apostle Judas being the 'betrayer' and making way or breaking the circle for the 12 starsigns=apostles to expand in more and more circles.
    This is termed the 'gospel to the gentiles' in the NT.
    So the 12th starsign is part of the twinship of course and encoded as Benjamin or Benoni in Genesis.

    Paul as the often despised 'apostle to the gentiles' and 'founder of contemporary ecclesiastical Christianity' also was of the 'tribe of Benjamin' meaning he took the place of Pisces from Judas in the allegory and archetypology.
    So adding Jesus as the Piscean Transformer to the Old Age of Aries is harmonised in subtracting Jesus in the Aquarian Transformer, encoded as the 'water carrier' at the 'Last Supper' in the New Testament.

    This is called ascension and descension in many forms of semantics.
    The key is however to understand that Jesus ascending and Jesus descending becomes the Cosmic Twinship using the 3=12 status with the 'brotherhood' between 2 and 3 and therefore 11 and 3.
    This is the Female decent of the Fixed Aquarius manifested in this core by James as the Jacob and the 'Brother of the Lord'; 'James the Just' was the first 'Bishop of Jerusalem' in the decades after 31 AD.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_the_Just


    Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin):

    (11) Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

    (12) The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you will depart from us. Who is to be our leader?"
    Jesus said to them, "Wherever you are, you are to go to James the righteous, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."

    (16) Jesus said, "Men think, perhaps, that it is peace which I have come to cast upon the world. They do not know that it is dissension which I have come to cast upon the earth: fire, sword, and war. For there will be five in a house: three will be against two, and two against three, the father against the son, and the son against the father. And they will stand solitary."

    (17) Jesus said, "I shall give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard and what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the human mind."

    (18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
    Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."

    (19) Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which remain undisturbed summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death."



    The decisive code for the starsign 'twinships' is in Genesis and the 'blessings' for each starsign.
    There it says, that 2=Taurus and 3=Gemini are 'brethren' and undividable 'twins' by association and adjacency of the 'birthright', meaning the 'ordering of the ''Sons of Jacob' and also the ordering or 'naming' of the apostles.

    This shows you then that the Cosmic Twinship {3=12} will be mirrored in itself as the descent=ascent of JCCJ with CJ being the Virgo Earth of the Mutability harmonising in the Water of 12=Pisces
    JC=IM=Pisces=Right Jesus Christ entwined with CJ=MI=Virgo=Mary Magdalene = Left Christ Jesus etc etc.

    Certain developments from the subconscious soul energy, where the Old Eves wish to manifest this 'Virgo' might now become apparent and understandable by the waking consciousness of the human incarnates.

    So the Pisces Symbol becomes the VESICA PISCES as this Cosmic Twinship entwining Gemini=3 with Aquarius=11 via the '3 gods' of {3+12+11}.

    I give you the codes now:

    The 'Dreamer of Dreams' is Joseph Aquarius carrying the 'Coat of Many Colours' and his 'selling into Egyptian slavery' relates to many codes, but is here used to indicate the 'Blessing of Jacob's Sons' and in particular reference to the Simeon-Taurus Levi-Gemini brotherhood (Simeon was left as the ransom in Egypt in the absence of Benjamin, when Joseph became a 'administrator' at pharaoh's court and was unbeknown by his brothers, who sold him into slavery for jealousy as to his apparent favouritism from their father Jacob).
    The 'scattering of the 'holy people' in Jacob and Israel relates to the dragon prophecy encoded in Isaiah and in Daniel and is interwoven in the entire 'encoding program' describing the cosmic metamorphosis or 'rebirth'.
    Overall the archetypolgy describes a 'old brotherhood', say as symbolised by duos such as Cain-Abel, Enki-Enlil, Osiris-Set, Esau-Jacob, Pharez-Zarah, Manasseh-Ephraim or Zeus-Hades in divers fashions and permutations. Renamings or relabellings such as Abram-Abraham with Sarai-Sarah and Jacob-Israel also relate to such decipherments.



    Genesis.49.5-7:

    5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations.
    6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
    7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.


    Genesis.37.16-24:

    15 And a certain man found him, and, behold, he was wandering in the field: and the man asked him, saying, What seekest thou?
    16 And he said, I seek my brethren: tell me, I pray thee, where they feed their flocks.
    17 And the man said, They are departed hence; for I heard them say, Let us go to Dothan. And Joseph went after his brethren, and found them in Dothan.
    18 And when they saw him afar off, even before he came near unto them, they conspired against him to slay him.
    19 And they said one to another, Behold, this dreamer cometh.
    20 Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some evil beast hath devoured him: and we shall see what will become of his dreams.
    21 And Reuben heard it, and he delivered him out of their hands; and said, Let us not kill him.
    22 And Reuben said unto them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand upon him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again.
    23 And it came to pass, when Joseph was come unto his brethren, that they stript Joseph out of his coat, his coat of many colours that was on him;
    24 And they took him, and cast him into a pit: and the pit was empty, there was no water in it.



    Reuben=Aries, Simeon=Taurus and Levi=Gemini and Joseph=Aquarius

    This is a combined twinblessing and I can give you the others, but would not like to overload this as yet out of context.
    The 'instruments of cruelty' we all know very well and have experienced and are experiencing daily in the environments we live and reside in. Archetypically, this relates to Simeon Taurus with Levi Gemini becoming the instigators for the encoded slaughter of 'Prince Shechem' of the Hivites , who was perceived to have 'raped' their daughter Dinah in Genesis.34 and after a 'covenant of circumscision' was made between the Israelites and the Hivites to join their families and lineages 'in blood'.


    I give the GOT first and then show some other starsign blessings:

    Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin):

    (30) Jesus said, "Where there are three gods, they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him."

    This of course is the {Twinship}.
    Because of the Cardinality of 10=Capricorn and the Fixidity of 11=Aquarius as males; the Starsign Ophiuchus=13 and the starsign of Arachne=14 BOTH manifest as the twinship from the MUTABILITY with 13=1+3=4 and so signifying or 'anointing' the Mother in Cancer by the maleness of Ophiuchus as a 'Serpent Tamer' and 14=1+4=5 in a 'blessing' of the 'Lion of the Sun of Judea' in the femaleness of Arachne as the 'Lioness of Israel'.

    Arachne is like a Taurus-Gemini hybrid aka a Gemini-Aquarius hybrid mutated by Pisces.
    Ophiuchus is like the elemental natural harmony in Taurus-Scorpio and Gemini-Sagittarius.


    Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin):

    (19) Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which remain undisturbed summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death."


    THIS CODE all of you should now Understand.
    The Becoming here is the reconfiguration of a New World from an old remnant
    So WE came into BEINGNESS before the New World even existed in 3D.
    Please try to understand.

    The 5-4-{3=12}-11-10 = 5-4-{3=12}-2-1
    series so is written:
    5-4-{3-12-11}-11-1 or Leo-Cancer-{Gemini-Pisces-Aquarius*}-Aquarius-Aries.

    Aquarius*=Hybrid between Aquarius fixed 'femme fatale' ascended + Taurus Fixed 'femme fatale' descended.

    This then relates in emergent energy streams with the Orion cosmology, Aldebaran and Antares and important stars of the fixidity and related constellations.
    Aldebaran = Regal Star of Taurus-Simeon and Antares = Regal Star of Scorpio-Asher blended with Ophiuchus as the male 'second coming' in twinship with Arachne (spiders appearing) as the female counterpart of the twinship of 3 in 1 in 3 as 2 as 3 as 1.
    Here are the other blessings, I can elaborate upon if so required.


    Genesis.49:

    1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.
    2 Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father.
    3 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:
    4 Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch.
    5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations.
    6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
    7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
    8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.
    9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
    10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
    11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:
    12 His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.
    13 Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships; and his border shall be unto Zidon.
    14 Issachar is a strong ass couching down between two burdens:
    15 And he saw that rest was good, and the land that it was pleasant; and bowed his shoulder to bear, and became a servant unto tribute.
    16 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.
    17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
    18 I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord.
    19 Gad, a troop shall overcome him: but he shall overcome at the last.
    20 Out of Asher his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties.
    21 Naphtali is a hind let loose: he giveth goodly words.
    22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:
    23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
    24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; {from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel}.
    25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
    26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.
    27 Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.
    28 All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them.
    29 And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered unto my people: bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite,
    30 In the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a buryingplace.
    31 There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah.
    32 The purchase of the field and of the cave that is therein was from the children of Heth.
    33 And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.




    There is a key to decode the Piscean Twin in the natal birthcharts.
    But I shall not elaborate on this at he present time except saying compare ascendants.
    I shall now return to more mundane matters

    Ah I apologize
    The names above relate as follows:

    Reuben=Aries
    Simeon=Taurus
    Levi=Gemini
    Dan=Cancer
    Judah=Leo
    Gad=Virgo
    Naphtali=Libra
    Asher=Scorpio
    Issachar=Sagittarius
    Zebulon=Capricorn
    Josep=Aquarius
    Benjamin=Pisces

    Last comment:

    We are HELPING this cosmic birth to manifest in 3D.
    We are in no way 'elevated' or special, but our individual incarnation 'contracts' and soul energies ALLOW US to manifest a new blueprint of 'higherD' dna beyond the 'lowerD' dna.
    After the birth we will be relieved from this function and enabled to go our separate ways, if we so desire in individual choices
    So in praxis; OUR 'work' will end wehenever the Logos timeline is fulfilled in its metaphysical reformation and metamorphosis as well as its physical potential implementation.

    shilohaplace


    [7:02:51 AM-Wednesday, March 5th, 2014 +10UCT] Sirius 17: ok i think i understand most of it
    [7:03:56 AM] Sirius 17: good post anyhow
    [8:52:27 AM] Sirius 17:
    https://www.facebook.com/199701427498/photos/a.10150626535342499.384817.199701427498/10151959677667499/?type=1&theater

    [8:52:46 AM] Sirius 17: here you go, cute story that fits in with everything we talked about and what you said
    friends.


    As cubs a lion, a tiger, and a bear had been owned by a drug dealer who did not properly care for them. The bear’s harness grew into his skin because the owner did not alter it as the animal grew. They had been abused and neglected early in life, but were finally rescued. The bear's harness was surgically removed.
    After they had been taken in by an animal sanctuary in Georgia, the staff tried to separate them due to obvious concerns that the three large predators would fight. During the trial of separation, the animals were uncooperative and behaved poorly. Once reunited, the three calmed down and were well behaved.
    Twelve years later, the three friends spend their days playing, cuddling, and eating together. There are no plans to separate these lifelong friends.

    [10:20:59 AM] Sirius 17: yes i thought you would like that
    [10:22:03 AM] Shiloh: Added, also I will explain the GOT #16 in connection with Chartres
    [10:22:47 AM] Shiloh: The 'Fire of the Logos' is burning on the Earth, as Susan Serafina has found out too and away from the Nabs sources all by herself
    [10:23:22 AM] Sirius 17: you mean in feeling her sexyness
    [10:23:42 AM] Sirius 17: yes she is getting hot to trot
    [10:35:31 AM] Shiloh: I like her Logos Fire picture and have added the appropriate GOT codes to it
    [10:36:01 AM] Sirius 17: weird
    [10:39:09 AM] Sirius 17: sorry got interrupted for a sec
    [10:39:20 AM] Sirius 17: James is doing his taxes and had to come home for something
    [10:39:33 AM] Sirius 17: yes the aurora borialis i like it too
    [10:39:58 AM] Sirius 17: looks like a crown
    [10:40:18 AM] Sirius 17: the photo is not showing up on firefox on moa for some reason
    [10:40:25 AM] Sirius 17: the one of the bear, tiger and lion
    [10:42:58 AM] Shiloh: Look at your message
    [10:43:43 AM] Shiloh: [/URL]http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7103-operation-scrambleweb#101860
    [10:44:39 AM] Sirius 17: ok now they are showing up

    [10:46:03 AM] Sirius 17: yes crown of life

    [10:48:27 AM] Shiloh: Abba's Ring of Fire for Baab
    logosfire.

    [10:49:12 AM] Sirius 17: yes the scotlanders and such have been having pretty spectacular auroras like the last week or so
    [10:53:38 AM] Shiloh: Northern hemisphere polar regions yes
    [10:54:02 AM] Sirius 17:




    [10:54:05 AM] Sirius 17: watching this, shared by Barbara
    [11:12:16 AM] Sirius 17: well i think it was pretty good, i like how he brings up the fact that what is holding science back are a bunch of 'dogmas'. not too sure on the questionablity of the constants but i see what he is saying.
    [11:12:35 AM] Sirius 17: these dogmas disallow real questions
    [11:12:40 AM] Sirius 17: and growth
    [11:13:14 AM] Sirius 17: but it fits in with my experience too of how the mind is not confined in the body and what that feels like
    [11:35:13 AM] Shiloh: What constants?
    [11:35:35 AM] Sirius 17: oh sheldrake questions the constant of lightspeed and gravity
    [11:35:44 AM] Sirius 17: did you watch the video?
    [11:37:01 AM] Shiloh: No I am decoding Chartres astrologically I will watch it later
    [11:37:22 AM] Shiloh: I can only do 2 things at a time Juju not 3 or more
    [11:37:24 AM] Sirius 17: ok sweety, sorry to bug you
    [11:37:34 AM] Sirius 17: yes i am going to go for a while
    [11:37:41 AM] Shiloh: Is he questioning physics constants?
    [11:37:48 AM] Sirius 17: yeah in the video
    [11:37:49 AM] Shiloh: If so this is off
    [11:37:58 AM] Sirius 17: but when you get a chance watch it
    [11:38:02 AM] Shiloh: Ok
    [11:38:05 AM] Sirius 17: otherwise it is good stuff
    [11:38:10 AM] Shiloh: I like him
    [11:38:18 AM] Sirius 17: yeah me too
    [12:01:37 PM] *** Shiloh sent Chartres-Code.jpg ***
    [12:34:23 PM] Sirius 17: ok nice
    [12:34:35 PM] Sirius 17: yes i am having trouble it is taking forever to load it
    [12:34:44 PM] Sirius 17: easier to have you send it for sure
    [12:35:03 PM] Shiloh: You understand the 5 trees now?
    [12:35:36 PM] Sirius 17: yes well this is what i told you that i saw anyhow or as it was revealed to me, that the hexcore was the 5 trees
    [12:35:37 PM] Shiloh: This is the core meaning of course and there are many more derivatives like Platonic Solids and superstring classes
    [12:36:01 PM] Shiloh: It is the manifestation of the Cosmic Starhuman family
    [12:36:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [12:54:23 PM] Shiloh: I am watching Rupert Sheldrake. An excellent presentation.
    [12:54:41 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i thought you would like it
    [12:54:45 PM] Shiloh: I will comment on it and also add his version; 'Science set Free'
    [12:54:54 PM] Shiloh: This is what Thuban is all about actually
    [12:55:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes and it goes with our discussion yesterday
    [12:55:17 PM] Shiloh: To resurrect the 'real science of the universe'
    [12:55:24 PM] Sirius 17: indeed​


    [12:56:53 PM] Shiloh: http://youtu.be/UPccMlgug8A

    [12:58:26 PM] Shiloh: The one point of Sheldrakes talk I disagree with is the 'speed of light' stuff and so on
    [12:59:03 PM] Sirius 17: yeah this is a longer version it looks
    [12:59:24 PM] Sirius 17: yes i figured you would so you should address this
    [1:00:15 PM] Sirius 17: but he does have a point in that it is ok to question it now and then , no harm in looking and taking data
    [1:00:18 PM] Shiloh: In the long talk he addresses a 20 km per second 'drop', which is a very small percentage of the total of 300,000 km per second like say 7/1000 th of a percent and this would be like the more recent and far more technically analysed neutrino speed of some 2 years ago. it will be a measurement issue not a physical constant dilemma.
    [1:00:48 PM] Sirius 17: yes and perhaps not taking into account the gravitational pull of the earth effecting it
    [1:00:53 PM] Sirius 17: ect ect
    [1:01:02 PM] Shiloh: I do however agree with Sheldrake about 'Big G'. It DOES change and evolve from a 'constant' Big Bang Initializer related to the membrane physics and as I have shown in a number of 'Newton's Gravitational Constant' essays
    [1:02:10 PM] Shiloh: But I can see why TED banned this talk. It is or can be misleading to the underinformed viewer.
    [1:03:02 PM] Sirius 17: yes it feeds the pseudo sciences a bit in not explaining very well
    [1:03:19 PM] Shiloh: A Thuban dragon scientist should supplement the things Rupert says and brings up and bingo; I doubt TED would ban his talk then under such auspices
    [1:03:20 PM] Sirius 17: generalities
    [1:03:51 PM] Shiloh: Exactly, it is because of the quacks, mostly Nabs associated, Sheldrake is labeled as a quasi scientist
    [1:04:20 PM] Shiloh: Rupert did his homework and his overall thrust is right on the dragon mark
    [1:04:48 PM] Shiloh: About the physical nature of consciousness in a nonmechanistically based cosmology
    [1:06:57 PM] Shiloh: He is fundamentally proposing a new science of memory; something I fully agree with lol as a Logos testimony keeper and scribe
    [1:08:50 PM] Sirius 17: yes it was a good share by Barbara
    [1:11:45 PM] Shiloh: Andrew might like the explanations about Chartres, as this visit there was a life changing event for him in the energies of the place and found in those Templar monuments and constructions with their 'encoded secrets' regarding the workings of the universe
    [1:13:30 PM] Sirius 17: yes, i am not sure if they follow all of our posts but maybe


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    [10:54:02 AM] Sirius 17:

    [10:54:05 AM] Sirius 17: watching this, shared by Barbara
    [11:12:16 AM] Sirius 17: well i think it was pretty good, i like how he brings up the fact that what is holding science back are a bunch of 'dogmas'. not too sure on the questionablity of the constants but i see what he is saying.
    [11:12:35 AM] Sirius 17: these dogmas disallow real questions
    [11:12:40 AM] Sirius 17: and growth
    [11:13:14 AM] Sirius 17: but it fits in with my experience too of how the mind is not confined in the body and what that feels like
    [11:35:13 AM] Shiloh: What constants?
    [11:35:35 AM] Sirius 17: oh sheldrake questions the constant of lightspeed and gravity
    [11:35:44 AM] Sirius 17: did you watch the video?
    [11:37:01 AM] Shiloh: No I am decoding Chartres astrologically I will watch it later
    [11:37:22 AM] Shiloh: I can only do 2 things at a time Juju not 3 or more
    [11:37:24 AM] Sirius 17: ok sweety, sorry to bug you
    [11:37:34 AM] Sirius 17: yes i am going to go for a while
    [11:37:41 AM] Shiloh: Is he questioning physics constants?
    [11:37:48 AM] Sirius 17: yeah in the video
    [11:37:49 AM] Shiloh: If so this is off
    [11:37:58 AM] Sirius 17: but when you get a chance watch it
    [11:38:02 AM] Shiloh: Ok
    [11:38:05 AM] Sirius 17: otherwise it is good stuff
    [11:38:10 AM] Shiloh: I like him
    [11:38:18 AM] Sirius 17: yeah me too
    [12:01:37 PM] *** Shiloh sent Chartres-Code.jpg ***
    [12:34:23 PM] Sirius 17: ok nice
    [12:34:35 PM] Sirius 17: yes i am having trouble it is taking forever to load it
    [12:34:44 PM] Sirius 17: easier to have you send it for sure
    [12:35:03 PM] Shiloh: You understand the 5 trees now?
    [12:35:36 PM] Sirius 17: yes well this is what i told you that i saw anyhow or as it was revealed to me, that the hexcore was the 5 trees
    [12:35:37 PM] Shiloh: This is the core meaning of course and there are many more derivatives like Platonic Solids and superstring classes
    [12:36:01 PM] Shiloh: It is the manifestation of the Cosmic Starhuman family
    [12:36:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [12:54:23 PM] Shiloh: I am watching Rupert Sheldrake. An excellent presentation.
    [12:54:41 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i thought you would like it
    [12:54:45 PM] Shiloh: I will comment on it and also add his version; 'Science set Free'
    [12:54:54 PM] Shiloh: This is what Thuban is all about actually
    [12:55:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes and it goes with our discussion yesterday
    [12:55:17 PM] Shiloh: To resurrect the 'real science of the universe'
    [12:55:24 PM] Sirius 17: indeed








    [12:58:26 PM] Shiloh: The one point of Sheldrakes talk I disagree with is the 'speed of light' stuff and so on
    [12:59:03 PM] Sirius 17: yeah this is a longer version it looks
    [12:59:24 PM] Sirius 17: yes i figured you would so you should address this
    [1:00:15 PM] Sirius 17: but he does have a point in that it is ok to question it now and then , no harm in looking and taking data
    [1:00:18 PM] Shiloh: In the long talk he addresses a 20 km per second 'drop', which is a very small percentage of the total of 300,000 km per second like say 7/1000 th of a percent and this would be like the more recent and far more technically analysed neutrino speed of some 2 years ago. it will be a measurement issue not a physical constant dilemma.
    [1:00:48 PM] Sirius 17: yes and perhaps not taking into account the gravitational pull of the earth effecting it
    [1:00:53 PM] Sirius 17: ect ect
    [1:01:02 PM] Shiloh: I do however agree with Sheldrake about 'Big G'. It DOES change and evolve from a 'constant' Big Bang Initializer related to the membrane physics and as I have shown in a number of 'Newton's Gravitational Constant' essays
    [1:02:10 PM] Shiloh: But I can see why TED banned this talk. It is or can be misleading to the underinformed viewer.
    [1:03:02 PM] Sirius 17: yes it feeds the pseudo sciences a bit in not explaining very well
    [1:03:19 PM] Shiloh: A Thuban dragon scientist should supplement the things Rupert says and brings up and bingo; I doubt TED would ban his talk then under such auspices
    [1:03:20 PM] Sirius 17: generalities
    [1:03:51 PM] Shiloh: Exactly, it is because of the quacks, mostly Nabs associated, Sheldrake is labeled as a quasi scientist
    [1:04:20 PM] Shiloh: Rupert did his homework and his overall thrust is right on the dragon mark
    [1:04:48 PM] Shiloh: About the physical nature of consciousness in a nonmechanistically based cosmology
    [1:06:57 PM] Shiloh: He is fundamentally proposing a new science of memory; something I fully agree with lol as a Logos testimony keeper and scribe
    [1:08:50 PM] Sirius 17: yes it was a good share by Barbara
    [1:11:45 PM] Shiloh: Andrew might like the explanations about Chartres, as this visit there was a life changing event for him in the energies of the place and found in those Templar monuments and constructions with their 'encoded secrets' regarding the workings of the universe
    [1:13:30 PM] Sirius 17: yes, i am not sure if they follow all of our posts but maybe

    Open for discussion: Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake from TEDxWhitechapel

    Posted by: Tedstaff
    March 14, 2013 at 11:59 am EST


    UPDATE: Please see our new blog post Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake, a fresh take, which replaces the x-ed out text below.

    To discuss the talks, view them here:

    The debate about Rupert s talk
    The debate about Graham Hancock’s talk

    After due diligence, including a survey of published scientific research and recommendations from our Science Board and our communitys and Rupert s talks from TEDxWhitechapel should be removed from distribution on the TEDx YouTube channel.

    We’re not censoring the talks. Instead we’re placing them here, where they can be framed to highlight both their provocative ideas and the factual problems with their arguments. See both talks after the jump.

    All talks on the TEDxTalks channel represent the opinion of the speaker, not of TED or TEDx, but we feel a responsibility not to provide a platform for talks which appear to have crossed the line into pseudoscience.

    UPDATE: Please find Rupert s response below the video window. ​






    According to our science board, Rupert Sheldrakes much research and literature exploring the idea.


    He also argues that scientists have ignored variations in the measurements of natural constants, using as his primary example the dogmatic assumption that a constant must be constant and uses the speed of light as example. But, in truth, there has been a great deal of inquiry into the nature of scientific constants, including published, peer-reviewed research investigating whether certain constants – including the speed of light – might actually vary over time or distance. Scientists are constantly questioning these assumptions. For example, just this year Scientific American published a feature on the state of research into exactly this question. (“Are physical constants really constant?: Do the inner workings of nature change over time?”) Physicist Sean Carroll wrote a careful rebuttal of this point.

    In addition, Sheldrakeof morphicreviewed journal, despite attempts by other scientists eager to replicate the work.

    Response to the TED Scientific Board’s Statement

    Rupert Sheldrake
    March 18, 2013

    s claims that my TEDxcrossed the line into ””

    This discussion is taking place because the militant atheist bloggers Jerry Coyne and P.Z. Myers denounced me, and attacked TED for giving my talk a platform. I was invited to give my talk as part of a TEDx event in Whitechapels where the problem lies: my talk explicitly challenges the materialist belief system. It summarized some of the main themes of my recent book Science Set Free (in the UK called The Science Delusion). Unfortunately, the TED administrators have publically aligned themselves with the old paradigm of materialism, which has dominated science since the late nineteenth century.

    TED say they removed my talk from their website on the advice of their Scientific Board, who also condemned Graham Hancock’s talk. Hancock and I are now facing anonymous accusations made by a body on whose authority TED relies, on whose advice they act, and behind whom they shelter, but whose names they have not revealed.

    TED’s anonymous Scientific Board made three specific accusations:

    Accusation 1:
    “he suggests that scientists reject the notion that animals have consciousness, despite the fact that it’s generally accepted that animals have some form of consciousness, and there’s much research and literature exploring the idea.”

    I characterized the materialist dogma as follows: “Matter is unconscious: the whole universe is made up of unconscious matter. There’s no consciousness in stars in galaxies, in planets, in animals, in plants and there ought not to be any in us either, if this theory’s true. So a lot of the philosophy of mind over the last 100 years has been trying to prove that we are not really conscious at all.” Certainly some biologists, including myself, accept that animals are conscious. In August, 2012, a group of scientists came out with an endorsement of animal consciousness in “The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness”. As Discovery News reported, “While it might not sound like much for scientists to declare that many nonhuman animals possess conscious states, it’s the open acknowledgement that’s the big news here.” (http://news.discovery.com/human/genetics/animals-consciousness-mammals-birds-octopus-120824.htm)

    it is either an illusion or an ”.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness

    Accusation 2:
    “He also argues that scientists have ignored variations in the measurements of natural constants, using as his primary example the dogmatic assumption that a constant must be constant and uses the speed of light as example.… Physicist Sean Carroll wrote a careful rebuttal of this point.”

    TED’s Scientific Board refers to a Scientific American article that makes my point very clearly: “Physicists routinely assume that quantities such as the speed of light are constant.”

    In my talk I said that the published values of the speed of light dropped by about 20 km/sec between 1928 and 1945. Carroll’s “careful rebuttal” consisted of a table copied from Wikipedia showing the speed of light at different dates, with a gap between 1926 and 1950, omitting the very period I referred to. His other reference (http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/lightandcolor/speedoflight.html) does indeed give two values for the speed of light in this period, in 1928 and 1932-35, and sure enough, they were 20 and 24km/sec lower than the previous value, and 14 and 18 km/sec lower than the value from 1947 onwards.

    1926: 299,798
    1928: 299,778
    1932-5: 299,774
    1947: 299,792

    In my talk I suggest how a re-examination of existing data could resolve whether large continuing variations in the Universal Gravitational Constant, G, are merely errors, as usually assumed, or whether they show correlations between different labs that might have important scientific implications hitherto ignored. Jerry Coyne and TED’s Scientific Board regard this as an exercise in pseudoscience. I think their attitude reveals a remarkable lack of curiosity.

    Accusation 3:
    “Sheldrake claims to have “evidence” of morphic resonance in crystal formation and rat behavior. The research has never appeared in a peer-reviewed journal, despite attempts by other scientists eager to replicate the work.”

    I said, “There is in fact good evidence that new compounds get easier to crystallize all around the world.” For example, turanose, a kind of sugar, was considered to be a liquid for decades, until it first crystallized in the 1920s. Thereafter it formed crystals everyehere. (Woodard and McCrone Journal of Applied Crystallography (1975). 8, 342). The American chemist C. P. Saylor, remarked it was as though “the seeds of crystallization, as dust, were carried upon the winds from end to end of the earth” (quoted by Woodard and McCrone).

    The research on rat behavior I referred to was carried out at Harvard and the Universities of Melbourne and Edinburgh and was published in peer-reviewed journals, including the British Journal of Psychology and the Journal of Experimental Biology. For a fuller account and detailed references see Chapter 11 of my book Morphic Resonance (in the US) / A New Science of Life (in the UK). The relevant passage is online here: http://sciencesetfree.tumblr.com/

    The TED Scientific Board refers to ”attempts by other scientists eager to replicate the work” on morphic resonance. I would be happy to work with these eager scientists if the Scientific Board can reveal who they are.

    This is a good opportunity to correct an oversimplification in my talk. In relation to the dogma that mechanistic medicine is the only kind that really works, I said, “that’s why governments only fund mechanistic medicine and ignore complementary and alternative therapies.” This is true of most governments, but the US is a notable exception. The US National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine receives about $130 million a year, about 0.4% of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) total annual budget of $31 billion.

    Obviously I could not spell out all the details of my arguments in an 18-minute talk, but TED’s claims that it contains “serious factual errors,” “many misleading statements” and that it crosses the line into “pseudoscience” are defamatory and false.

    UPDATE: Please find Graham Hancock’s response below the video window.


    HANCOCK​


    Graham Hancock’s talk, again, shares a compelling and unorthodox worldview, but one that strays well beyond the realm of reasonable science. While attempting to critique the scientific worldview, he misrepresents what scientists actually think. He suggests, for example, that no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness.

    In addition, Hancock makes statements about psychotropic drugs that seem both nonscientific and reckless. He states as fact that psychotropic drug use is essential for an “emergence into consciousness,” and that one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture. He seems to offer a one-note explanation for how culture arises (drugs), it’s no surprise his work has often been characterized as pseudo-archeology.

    TED respects and supports the exploration of unorthodox ideas, but the many misleading statements in both Sheldrake’s and Hancock’s talks, whether made deliberately or in error, have led our scientific advisors to conclude that our name and platform should not be associated with these talks.

    Response to the TED Scientific Board’s Statement
    Graham Hancock
    March 18, 2013

    (1) TED says of my “War on Consciousness” presentation: “…he misrepresents what scientists actually think. He suggests, for example, that no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness.”

    The only passage I can find in my presentation that has any relevance at all to this allegation is between 9 mins 50 seconds and 11 mins 12 seconds. But nowhere in that passage or anywhere else in my presentation do I make the suggestion you attribute to me in your allegation, namely that “no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness.” Rather I address the mystery of life after death and state that “if we want to know about this mystery the last people we should ask are materialist, reductionist scientists. They have nothing to say on the matter at all.” That statement cannot possibly be construed as my suggesting that “no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness,” or of “misrepresenting” what materialist, reductionist scientists actually think. I am simply stating the fact, surely not controversial, that materialist, reductionist scientists have nothing to say on the matter of life after death because their paradigm does not allow them to believe in the possibility of life after death; they believe rather that nothing follows death. Here is the full transcript of what I say in my presentation between 9 mins 50 seconds and 11 mins 12 seconds: “What is death? Our materialist science reduces everything to matter. Materialist science in the West says that we are just meat, we’re just our bodies, so when the brain is dead that’s the end of consciousness. There is no life after death. There is no soul. We just rot and are gone. But actually any honest scientist should admit that consciousness is the greatest mystery of science and that we don’t know exactly how it works. The brain’s involved in it in some way, but we’re not sure how. Could be that the brain generates consciousness the way a generator makes electricity. If you hold to that paradigm then of course you can’t believe in life after death. When the generator’s broken consciousness is gone. But it’s equally possible that the relationship – and nothing in neuroscience rules it out – that the relationship is more like the relationship of the TV signal to the TV set and in that case when the TV set is broken of course the TV signal continues and this is the paradigm of all spiritual traditions – that we are immortal souls, temporarily incarnated in these physical forms to learn and to grow and to develop. And really if we want to know about this mystery the last people we should ask are materialist, reductionist scientists. They have nothing to say on the matter at all. Let’s go rather to the ancient Egyptians who put their best minds to work for three thousand years on the problem of death and on the problem of how we should live our lives to prepare for what we will confront after death…”

    (2) TED says of my “War on Consciousness” presentation: “… Hancock makes statements about psychotropic drugs that seem both non-scientific and reckless.”

    I profoundly disagree. In my presentation I speak honestly and openly about my own damaging and destructive 24-year cannabis habit and about how experiences under the influence of Ayahuasca were the key to breaking this habit. I also say ( 3 min 46 seconds to 3 min 50 seconds) that “I don’t think any of the psychedelics should be used for recreation.”

    (3) TED says of my presentation: “He states as fact that psychotropic drug use is essential for an “emergence into consciousness,” and that one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture.”

    Nowhere in my talk do I state as a fact that psychotropic drug use is “essential” for an “emergence into consciousness.” Nowhere in my talk do I state that “one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture.”

    (4) TED says of my “War on Consciousness” presentation: “He offers a one-note explanation for how culture arises (drugs), which just doesn’t hold up.”

    I refute this. What I say (between 1 min 06 seconds and 1 min 54 seconds) is that some scientists in the last thirty years have raised an intriguing possibility — emphasis on POSSIBILITY — which is that the exploration of altered states of consciousness, in which psychedelic plants have been implicated, was fundamental to the emergence into fully symbolic consciousness witnessed by the great cave art.

    (5) TED says of my “War on Consciousness” presentation: “… it’s no surprise his work has often been characterized as pseudo-archeology.”

    Of what possible relevance is this remark? Many different people have characterised my work in many different ways but at issue here is not what people have said about my work over the years but the actual content of this specific TEDx presentation.




    Post last edited Mar 5th

    An update to the "Genesis - The Origins of the Genetic Code" information and published in a professional journal in March 2011, is shared here. This paper fully supports Rupert Sheldrake

    shilohaplace

    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/post?p=47996&mode=editpost
    http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&fid=&lastp=1&id=35C6E5FE-8B8B-45B1-BF72-9DCE133289BA

    http://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/viewFile/128/137
    http://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/issue/view/11

     
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    it is niagra falls on March 3rd 2014


    [4:06:13 PM-Thursday, March 6th, 2014 +10UCT] Sirius 17: from the American side
    [4:06:18 PM] Shiloh: yes I saw this on tv
    [4:08:14 PM] Sirius 17: oh you sent him an email with your paper ? nice
    [4:09:42 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i was reading over you paper today again
    [4:09:47 PM] Sirius 17: it is very well done
    [4:10:07 PM] Sirius 17: TLTR for most i am sure
    [4:11:07 PM] Shiloh: Huping edited it in his Chinese style and some of the words do not sound at all like I would have said things
    [4:11:20 PM] Shiloh: English is not his native language see
    [4:11:33 PM] Sirius 17: oh he did, jeese
    [4:12:06 PM] Shiloh: He gave me a week to edit his edit and I unfortunately was not thorough enough to really reedit and so there are typing errors in this paper and some vocabulary flaws.
    [4:12:24 PM] Shiloh: I was too surprised, he was actually publishing this work, lol.
    [4:12:29 PM] Sirius 17: well it is good enough, would take too long to re-edit anyhow
    [4:12:47 PM] Shiloh: Yes why I sent it to Sheldrake.
    [4:12:52 PM] Sirius 17: yes i remember when it got published how shocked you were
    [4:13:05 PM] Sirius 17: back when his publication was free
    [4:13:12 PM] Sirius 17: too bad he charges now
    [4:13:24 PM] Sirius 17: i have not been back since really because i don't want to pay the fee
    [4:13:33 PM] Shiloh: Listen to his skeptiko talk and you see that the excerpt here is really at the core of what they are looking for, namely a physical exposition of what consciousness is
    [4:14:03 PM] Shiloh: I simply used Cavendish and Newton with the pointmass integration of a mass complex like a planet
    [4:14:25 PM] Shiloh: I even forgot my sign ins there lol
    [4:14:35 PM] Sirius 17: yes it is beautiful, i am only sad that more people don't appreciate your work
    [4:15:12 PM] Shiloh: Unfortunately Huping went too mainstream in engaging an 'advisory board', made up of materialistic bigots, just as TED did
    [4:15:20 PM] Sirius 17: figures
    [4:15:41 PM] Shiloh: Yes and then the money angle comes in and pollutes the pioneering science
    [4:16:30 PM] Sirius 17: how are you feeling lately?
    [4:17:08 PM] Sirius 17: do you feel that your healing at all?
    [4:22:40 PM] Shiloh: I do not feel my age at all and my mind is evervessent. The only problem I have is weak leg muscles an ET magneto chamber will fix one day
    [4:23:23 PM] Shiloh: The waves are looking after my 'essence vitale' and you know what that is
    [4:23:29 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [4:23:42 PM] Sirius 17: MI
    [4:23:48 PM] Sirius 17: well MILD now

    [4:23:54 PM] Shiloh: And the libido etc yes
    [4:24:23 PM] Shiloh: I am no longer human actually in many of those 'energies'
    [4:24:32 PM] Sirius 17: is it getting colder there now, we are coming into spring soon here
    [4:25:48 PM] Sirius 17: it was sunny today actually, was nice to have the sun out
    [4:26:05 PM] Sirius 17: made me think of Xeia and DD in the sun
    [4:26:17 PM] Sirius 17: in Florida


    From: TonyB
    Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 7:06 PM
    To: sheldrake@sheldrake.org
    Subject: TED Talk


    Stream



    Hans Schatten


    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7103-operation-scrambleweb
    Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock at TED - A Paradigm Shift in Science
    An update to the "Genesis - The Origins of the Genetic Code" information and published in a professional journal in March 2011, is shared here.


    This paper fully supports Rupert Sheldrake


    [10:54:05 AM] Sirius 17: watching this, shared by Barbara
    [11:12:16 AM] Sirius 17: well i think it was pretty good, i like how he brings up the fact that what is holding science back are a bunch of 'dogmas'. not too sure on the questionablity of the constants but i see what he is saying.
    [11:12:35 AM] Sirius 17: these dogmas disallow real questions
    [11:12:40 AM] Sirius 17: and growth
    [11:13:14 AM] Sirius 17: but it fits in with my experience too of how the mind is not confined in the body and what that feels like
    [11:35:13 AM] Shiloh: What constants?
    [11:35:35 AM] Sirius 17: oh sheldrake questions the constant of lightspeed and gravity
    [11:35:44 AM] Sirius 17: did you watch the video?
    [11:37:01 AM] Shiloh: No I am decoding Chartres astrologically I will watch it later
    [11:37:41 AM] Shiloh: Is he questioning physics constants?
    [11:37:48 AM] Sirius 17: yeah in the video
    [11:37:49 AM] Shiloh: If so this is off
    [11:37:58 AM] Sirius 17: but when you get a chance watch it
    [11:38:02 AM] Shiloh: Ok
    [11:38:05 AM] Sirius 17: otherwise it is good stuff
    [11:38:10 AM] Shiloh: I like him
    [11:38:18 AM] Sirius 17: yeah me too
    [12:01:37 PM] *** Shiloh sent Chartres-Code.jpg ***
    [12:54:23 PM] Shiloh: I am watching Rupert Sheldrake. An excellent presentation.
    [12:54:41 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i thought you would like it
    [12:54:45 PM] Shiloh: I will comment on it and also add his version; 'Science set Free'
    [12:54:54 PM] Shiloh: This is what Thuban is all about actually
    [12:55:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes and it goes with our discussion yesterday
    [12:55:17 PM] Shiloh: To resurrect the 'real science of the universe'
    [12:55:24 PM] Sirius 17: indeed


    [12:56:53 PM] Shiloh:

    [12:58:26 PM] Shiloh: The one point of Sheldrakes talk I disagree with is the 'speed of light' stuff and so on
    [12:59:03 PM] Sirius 17: yeah this is a longer version it looks
    [12:59:24 PM] Sirius 17: yes i figured you would so you should address this
    [1:00:15 PM] Sirius 17: but he does have a point in that it is ok to question it now and then , no harm in looking and taking data
    [1:00:18 PM] Shiloh: In the long talk he addresses a 20 km per second 'drop', which is a very small percentage of the total of 300,000 km per second like say 7/1000 th of a percent and this would be like the more recent and far more technically analysed neutrino speed of some 2 years ago. it will be a measurement issue not a physical constant dilemma.
    [1:00:48 PM] Sirius 17: yes and perhaps not taking into account the gravitational pull of the earth effecting it
    [1:00:53 PM] Sirius 17: ect ect
    [1:01:02 PM] Shiloh: I do however agree with Sheldrake about 'Big G'. It DOES change and evolve from a 'constant' Big Bang Initializer related to the membrane physics and as I have shown in a number of 'Newton's Gravitational Constant' essays
    [1:02:10 PM] Shiloh: But I can see why TED banned this talk. It is or can be misleading to the underinformed viewer.
    [1:03:02 PM] Sirius 17: yes it feeds the pseudo sciences a bit in not explaining very well
    [1:03:19 PM] Shiloh: A Thuban dragon scientist should supplement the things Rupert says and brings up and bingo; I doubt TED would ban his talk then under such auspices
    [1:03:20 PM] Sirius 17: generalities
    [1:03:51 PM] Shiloh: Exactly, it is because of the quacks, mostly Nabs associated, Sheldrake is labeled as a quasi scientist
    [1:04:20 PM] Shiloh: Rupert did his homework and his overall thrust is right on the dragon mark
    [1:04:48 PM] Shiloh: About the physical nature of consciousness in a nonmechanistically based cosmology
    [1:06:57 PM] Shiloh: He is fundamentally proposing a new science of memory; something I fully agree with lol as a Logos testimony keeper and scribe





    [7:09:07 PM-Thursday, March 6th, 2014 +10UCT] Shiloh: A very interesting feedback from Rupert regarding the infiltration of wikipedia and the mainstream media by the 'dogmatic skeptic societies' in the video above the second commented upon one. The linked wiki entry of Rupert Sheldrake linked below, would support his 'critique' on this public library of or information dissemination organisation. I would say, that the mere consideration of the Wikipedia editors of including Sheldrake in the wiki data base, derives from the fact that they could not reduce him and his research and creative works to that of an 'unworthy' or 'unknown' personage, as they do with so many other creative thinkers and contributors, Nabsey or Oabsey or both notwithstanding.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Sheldrake

    [7:09:20] PM] Shiloh: Tune into the 18:30 marker in the second video above - lol "Physicists are not so constrained by the laws of nature, they make them"
    [7:09:22 PM] Shiloh: If he'd only knew!
    [7:10:25 PM] Shiloh: Also if he'd only knew that the 'dark matter' and the 'dark energy' are the physical consciousness in evolvement, he questions in this talk. The irony is, that the 'missing energy' actually 'proves' or validates his scientific models, including that of 'Morphogenetic Resonance'
    [7:15:48 PM] Shiloh: Later he addresses the 'virtual energy field', which we have often shown to be one of the great misnomers of 'modern science'. I am so in synchronistic energy with Rupert here; but rather from an 'insider' perspective and not as an 'outside critic'
    [7:17:31 PM] Shiloh:


    This talk of Rupert's has a lot of humour in it and shows the way to the 'new paradigm' many of us aspire for
    This is an excellent talk addressing the history of modern science from its philosophical perspective and includes the Greek Atomists, Plato and Pythagoras and later the mind-body schismas of Descartes, Leibnitz and Spinoza, the latter the inspirator of Einstein and of course the quantum theories. I highly recommend this talk for the serious thinker, seeker and researcher. As you know the 'basic' consciousness particle or 'monad' is the basic blending of charge polarities and so can be said to become a space-occupying Hydrogen atom from its dineutron ylemic precursor or ancestor from the cosmogenesis. He also addresses panpsychism as the ubiquituousness of the 'cosmic mind' and other such notions of the history of the scientific models and paradigms, and something we understand as the higher dimensional 'dragon mind' and a label of iresomeness to the many if not the few. Later on his notions of the 'galactic mind' and a 'star's consciousness' in the cellular nature of galaxies in the cosmos etcetera should strike you as rather 'Thuban' or 'World Logos' aware - lol.


    The third video from the BCC describes the history of the 'Morphogenetic Resonance' and also includes the rejection of this hypothesis by the 'orthodoxy'. I found the reply by the then chief editor of 'Nature' - John Maddox rather characteristic, as I have had a personal experience with Maddox. A now long time ago in the late 1980's I actually was naive enough to seek for publication by the mainstream peer groups and as "Nature" of McMillan is 'the' peer reviewed journal, I wrote to Maddox, offering my then rather primitive, yet rather controversial essays on the deeper nature of the universe. I therefore must admire Sheldrake to continue his 'hereticism' despite being by then an 'established' member of the 'scientific global family'. Rupert Sheldrake's faith in the Christian Logos in a form of synergy with Eastern mysticisms would also have provided much 'ammunition' and firepower for the scientism believers in a purely matter based cosmology and for the purpose and aim to discredit and ridicule the 'Morphic Resonance', which the Thuban model describes as the UFoQR aka the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity.

    moondog.

    MOON DOG ROUND RAINBOW around the moon & the sun --- 04 March 2013 (last year)

    from Susan Serafina
    scotbor. norwaybor.

    Beautiful display of the Aurora Borealis over Scotland---Photo from 27 February 2014---Aurora Borealis over Tromso, Norway. Photo from 1 March 2014



    Shiloh - Posted Mar 7th

    From: TonyB
    Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 7:06 PM
    To: sheldrake@sheldrake.org
    Subject: TED Talk


    Dear Tony,
    Thank you very much for your encouraging email which I will pass onto Rupert Sheldrake. The banned TED talk in the end has been very helpful in spreading Rupert's ideas. Here is a link to a summary of the controversy which you may find interesting.
    http://sebastian.penraeth.com/post/46115422948/teds-spectacular-fail-ideas-worth-suppressing
    Pam Smart (Researcher)

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    From: P Smart
    Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:44 PM
    To: TonyB

    Cc: Rupert Sheldrake
    Subject:
    Re: Physical Consciousness and the Environment



    Dear Tony,
    Thank you for your further article which I will pass onto Rupert. Best wishes Pam


    http://www.sheldrake.org/about-rupert-sheldrake/newsletter


    Hi Pam!

    Thank you for forwarding my supporting article to Rupert. As a secretary and supporter you might be aware that research and creativity in the vein and calibre of ‘Morphogenetic Resonance’ and similar investigations into the ‘mystery of consciousness’ requires some extensive background to form a convolution of compatible and synergetic endeavours. Especially if such investigations challenge an old entrenched paradigm.

    I would hope that Rupert finds the time to analyse this supporting material, as it provides a rather ‘mainstream aligned’ model to change the belligerence of the old paradigm to consider its own potential for growth expansion and reformation.

    I have further commented on some of Rupert’s earlier work and its history here: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7103-operation-scrambleweb#101888



    [7:09:07 PM-Thursday, March 6th, 2014 +10UCT] Shiloh: A very interesting feedback from Rupert regarding the infiltration of wikipedia and the mainstream media by the 'dogmatic skeptic societies' in the video above the second commented upon one. The linked wiki entry of Rupert Sheldrake linked below, would support his 'critique' on this public library of or information dissemination organisation. I would say, that the mere consideration of the Wikipedia editors of including Sheldrake in the wiki data base, derives from the fact that they could not reduce him and his research and creative works to that of an 'unworthy' or 'unknown' personage, as they do with so many other creative thinkers and contributors, Nabsey or Oabsey or both notwithstanding.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Sheldrake

    [7:09:20] PM] Shiloh: Tune into the 18:30 marker in the second video above - lol "Physicists are not so constrained by the laws of nature, they make them"
    [7:09:22 PM] Shiloh: If he'd only knew!
    [7:10:25 PM] Shiloh: Also if he'd only knew that the 'dark matter' and the 'dark energy' are the physical consciousness in evolvement, he questions in this talk. The irony is, that the 'missing energy' actually 'proves' or validates his scientific models, including that of 'Morphogenetic Resonance'
    [7:15:48 PM] Shiloh: Later he addresses the 'virtual energy field', which we have often shown to be one of the great misnomers of 'modern science'. I am so in synchronistic energy with Rupert here; but rather from an 'insider' perspective and not as an 'outside critic'
    [7:17:31 PM] Shiloh: This talk of Rupert's has a lot of humour in it and shows the way to the 'new paradigm' many of us aspire for





    This is an excellent talk addressing the history of modern science from its philosophical perspective and includes the Greek Atomists, Plato and Pythagoras and later the mind-body schismas of Descartes, Leibnitz and Spinoza, the latter the inspirator of Einstein and of course the quantum theories. I highly recommend this talk for the serious thinker, seeker and researcher. As you know the 'basic' consciousness particle or 'monad' is the basic blending of charge polarities and so can be said to become a space-occupying Hydrogen atom from its dineutron ylemic precursor or ancestor from the cosmogenesis. He also addresses panpsychism as the ubiquituousness of the 'cosmic mind' and other such notions of the history of the scientific models and paradigms, and something we understand as the higher dimensional 'dragon mind' and a label of iresomeness to the many if not the few. Later on his notions of the 'galactic mind' and a 'star's consciousness' in the cellular nature of galaxies in the cosmos etcetera should strike you as rather 'Thuban' or 'World Logos' aware - lol.



    The third video from the BCC describes the history of the 'Morphogenetic Resonance' and also includes the rejection of this hypothesis by the 'orthodoxy'. I found the reply by the then chief editor of 'Nature' - John Maddox rather characteristic, as I have had a personal experience with Maddox. A now long time ago in the late 1980's I actually was naive enough to seek for publication by the mainstream peer groups and as "Nature" of McMillan is 'the' peer reviewed journal, I wrote to Maddox, offering my then rather primitive, yet rather controversial essays on the deeper nature of the universe. I therefore must admire Sheldrake to continue his 'hereticism' despite being by then an 'established' member of the 'scientific global family'. Rupert Sheldrake's faith in the Christian Logos in a form of synergy with Eastern mysticisms would also have provided much 'ammunition' and firepower for the scientism believers in a purely matter based cosmology and for the purpose and aim to discredit and ridicule the 'Morphic Resonance', which the Thuban model describes as the UFoQR aka the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity.

    I shall leave the consideration of relevance of the above to Rupert’s work in your capable mindfulness and hands, Pamela.

    Tony B., March 7th, 2014 – Queanbeyan, Australia

    http://sebastian.penraeth.com/post/46115422948/teds-spectacular-fail-ideas-worth-suppressing



    TED’s Spectacular Fail: Ideas Worth Suppressing


    TEDTalks, as a platform for “Ideas worth spreading” has become incredibly successful in recent years, now with over 800 thousand subscribers on YouTube and 1.5 million monthly visitors to ted.com. As their motto suggests, TED has sought out and given wide exposure to people with revolutionary ideas. It is their hallmark, and many people, myself included, have found inspiration in the ingenious, beautiful and thought provoking ideas presented on the TED stage. So it may come as a surprise that TED has recently removed from distribution two popular talks given by brilliant speakers with revolutionary ideas. Ironically, these two talks, one entitled The Science Delusion by Rupert Sheldrake, and the other The War on Consciousness by Graham Hancock, were given at a TEDx event with the theme Visions for Transition: Challenging Existing Paradigms and Redefining Values.

    After the talks had already become popular on YouTube, certain activists from the atheist/materialist camp complained, leading TED’s anonymous board of scientists to determine that the talks “crossed the line into pseudoscience”. Unfortunately, TED’s initial critiques, scant on details though they were, proved so erroneous and/or slanderous that they’ve since been stricken out and rebuttals from Sheldrake and Hancock appended. To begin with, I recommend reading that original post on the TED blog.

    TED subsequently set up separate discussion threads for each talk, buried on their site by the way, to house all further comments on the matter. One might expect that a more substantive, well reasoned argument for why the talks were removed would then be given there. Unfortunately, despite repeated requests from hundreds of supports of the talks, that hasn’t happened. Even TED’s curator Chris Anderson stated that “Maybe I’m expecting too much for this forum, but I was hoping scientists who don’t buy [Sheldrake’s] ideas could indicate WHY they find them so implausible.”

    Here are the relevant links

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    UPDATE: The discussions on ted.com have closed. In total, the comments for Sheldrake and Hancock have exceeded those for any other TED Talk, or any other topic on the TED website for that matter. Sheldrake shared his experience, and his conversation with Chris Anderson, in this interview on Skeptiko.

    I focused my own participation on Sheldrake’s talk and offer here an overview of the heavily one-sided “discussion” that followed there. As I initially suspected, TED has essentially put Sheldrake’s controversial work on trial, even though his talk was not about his work but about the dogmas he believes are holding back scientific progress. They’ve done this without making a very specific case themselves or answering the many comments contradicting their vague stance. For example, Chris Anderson commented that “These are talks that were widely criticized on scientific grounds” yet when I asked if he could expound on the wide criticism he referenced, I received no answer.

    On this matter, Freya Black wrote:

    The issue I have with the criticism of the ted talk is it doesn’t seem to be based on a proper analysis of the actual content for example the latest text from Ted refers to: “and claim that the speed of light has been changing.” which is clearly not a claim that is made in the ted talk at all. What concerns me about this is that it is not evidence based critical analysis. I feel any criticism of the Ted Talk should be based on a proper analysis of the talk and not on peoples personal feelings or other things outside of the realm of the talk itself. It especially concerns me that the critics in this matter are representing themselves as “a board of scientific advisers” but that they seem to be completely lacking in scientific rigor in the matter.

    And also, Noah Vickstein wrote:

    As expected, Sheldrake’s detractors attempt to shift the burden of proof. What about his talk is so objectionable? Apparently we will never know, as the only objections being maintained are vague accusations that have not as yet been substantiated.

    TED’s Scientific Board questions whether the dogmas Sheldrake identifies are “a fair description of scientific assumptions.” Yet there are clearly taboo subjects and lines of inquiry that are routinely dismissed by mainstream science. Some scientists do buck the trend to discuss and research them, but many others are afraid to do so openly, even when they themselves find such topics compelling, because doing so could elicit scorn from colleagues, limit their funding, or cause irreparable harm to their careers. Telepathy is one such taboo subject, and by extension, any case in which information is exchanged without a recognized physical mechanism (e.g. Sheldrake’s landmark hypothesis of formative causation aka morphic resonance). These taboos are institutionalized in the review processes of top scientific journals and science funding committees… and so called skeptics actively attack, in a knee-jerk fashion, any scientist offering contrary hypotheses or evidence.

    Conversely, there are beliefs commonly held by scientists, and many educated people, that have hardened into dogmas, sometimes despite a complete lack of observational evidence. Sheldrake sought to address these dogmas in his talk, though doing so within the 18 minute timeframe was no doubt daunting, which he himself stated when approached to speak. His recent book, Science Set Free, or The Science Delusion in the UK, deals with the same topic in copious detail.

    While I believe there are many such dogmas to choose from, Sheldrake focused on more general ones, largely stemming from materialism, which has been the dominant philosophy in science for a long long time. Materialism argues for a clockwork universe, wherein animals are little more than “wet robots” and there is no need for any mysterious force or unseen agency to explain how everything in the universe works - everything can be reduced to purposeless components interacting according to fixed laws. Human consciousness is described as little more than an illusion: a secondary phenomenon of purely physical mechanisms. The tenants of this philosophy are widely accepted as indisputable by scientists and educated people, at least publicly… this despite the fact that 51% of scientists believe in God or a spiritual force, according to a 2009 Pew poll.

    Indeed, Sheldrake has often commented on this dichotomy between the public and private beliefs of scientists. Because he is out on the limb, so to speak, scientists often approach him at his talks to privately reveal their true stances on taboo subjects, which they would never dare reveal professionally. Many, it seems, are in the closet, holding to the materialist viewpoint only because that is demanded of them, or at least they believe it is. There is evidence that this is changing, however. I believe we are on the verge of a paradigm shift… and the staunchest advocates of materialism may sense this as well, probably unconsciously, and seem to have become increasingly irrational and strident in recent years.

    About this, Conor O’Higgins wrote:

    I want to address an argument I see coming up again and again: - Sheldrake claims that there is a dogma that [X] - But I found this statement by scientist [Y] questioning [X] - Therefore Sheldrake is wrong about there being a dogma.

    I don’t think Rupert Sheldrake believes that ALL scientists follow ALL ten dogmas ALL of the time. Of course the constancy of constants gets questioned. Of course mainstream scientists occasionally write about mind-body effects. But that doesn’t change the fact that the PREDOMINANT mode of thinking in science is to ASSUME a mechanistic-nomological-Platonist view of universe.

    Sheldrake’s own words (http://www.skeptiko.com/184-dr-rupert-sheldrake-sets-science-free-from-dogma/): “I think that there are plenty of people in academic science who are not materialists. One of the points I try to make in my book [Science Set Free] is that a great many scientists nowadays are not materialists; they’re not Atheists. The culture of science and indeed of the academic world is generally speaking Atheistic and materialistic. But that’s the kind of surface culture people pay lip service to in public. In private, there are a great many people with different views.”

    Some commenters theorized that people like Daniel Dennett, himself a staunch materialist… and a member of the TED Brain Trust… must be behind this decision. Interestingly, Guy Hayward wrote:

    I went to a talk by Daniel Dennett last night in London, and heard him saying to Rupert Sheldrake that he thought TED had made a mistake with regard to this whole controversy. Dennett also said he had had nothing to do with the controversy.

    So who is behind it and why have they not participated in the conversation? Most of the comments supportive of TED’s position have been little better than this one from a TED Translator:

    sigh. this talk was so bad i’m out of words. this kind of stuff should be debated … in the ufo magazine or something. such a total wreck of a talk clearly has no place anywhere near ted, neither as a featured talk, nor as a debate. shame that such a crap can mobilize huge ork armies.

    Thankfully, Chris Anderson responded with the following:

    I personally didn’t think the talk was ‘crap’. I spoke with Rupert Sheldrake a few days ago and I think he genuinely respects scientific thinking. He just disagrees with a lot of it. Some of his questions in the talk I found genuinely interesting. And I do think there’s a place on TED to challenge the orthodox. Maybe I’m expecting too much for this forum, but I was hoping scientists who don’t buy his ideas could indicate WHY they find them so implausible.

    A very generous statement, considering what preceded and what Chris had previously written. Unfortunately, he was met with more stone throwing by commenters right when he should have been encouraged. He’d not returned to the discussion since.

    At any rate, the largely unquestioned assumption of many critics, seemingly including the TED Science Board, is that Rupert Sheldrake is a pseudoscientist, and thus pretty much anything he has to say must be misinformation. Indeed, the question posited by TED to be answered in the discussion was effectively “is Sheldrake’s talk pseudoscience?” So how does that assumption hold up under scrutiny? Well, to start, one might look at Sheldrake’s academic record. Briefly, here it is in 12 points.

    1. Double first class honours degree, Cambridge University, awarded the University Botany Prize
    2. Studied philosophy and history of science at Harvard University, Frank Knox Fellow
    3. Ph.D. in biochemistry, Cambridge University
    4. Fellow of Clare College, Cambridge - Director of Studies in biochemistry and cell biology
    5. Rosenheim Research Fellow of the Royal Society
    6. With Philip Rubery, discovered the mechanism of polar auxin transport
    7. Principal Plant Physiologist and Consultant Physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics (ICRISAT)
    8. Director of the Perrott-Warrick Project funded from Trinity College, Cambridge
    9. Fellow of Schumacher College, in Dartington, Devon
    10. Fellow of the Institute of Noetic Sciences near San Francisco
    11. Visiting Professor at the Graduate Institute in Connecticut
    12. 80+ papers published in scientific journals, including Nature
    How could one with such a pedigree be accused of pseudoscience? Perhaps this is, as Bill Storm points out in the discussion, a proof of Clay Shirky’s assertion that “Institutions will try to preserve the problem to which they are the solution.” Sheldrake was firmly in the mainstream, early in his career. Then, while at the ashram of Fr Bede Griffiths in Tamil Nadu, his thinking on formative causation coalesced and he wrote his first book, A New Science of Life, which put him squarely at odds with mainstream scientific dogma. Since then, Sheldrake has been openly ridiculed. Philip Stevens did his MSc dissertation on Sheldrake, looking not at whether his ideas were right or wrong, but how he was treated - whether fairly or unfairly - by the scientific community. It’s an interesting read, and makes it clear that, like with TED, Sheldrake has been historically mistreated. Many have likely heard about the review of A New Science of Life in Nature by its editor John Maddox entitled A book for burning?. As Stevens points out, twelve years afterwards, in a BBC documentary on Sheldrake, Maddox revisited his review in a way that sums up this whole business rather nicely: “Dr Sheldrake is putting forward magic instead of science and that can be condemned in exactly the language that the Popes used to condemn Galileo, and for the same reason: it is heresy.” This examination by Stevens is particularly germane to the matter at hand. You can find the dissertation and an interview with Stevens on Skeptiko.



    Before going too much further, I would like to acknowledge the one substantive argument supportive of TED’s position, though I don’t agree with it. To my mind, it’s the only one to date, and comes from Renee Hlozek, a TED Fellow:

    There are many things that Rupert Sheldrake’s talk brings to mind. But his comment that one dogma of the scientific method is “that the constants of nature are fixed” is false. Yes, in the current best-fitting cosmological model the constants of nature are constant in time. However, I (and other) scientists constantly test this belief (you can see our test of a variable fine structure constant in a recent paper here: http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.0824).

    What we have found is that given the current data, it does not support a varying fine structure constant. It isn’t a ‘fudging’ of the data, if the data supported this model, I would be the first person to advocate this. In fact, many cosmologists in my field take data and fit a wide variety of models to try and understand the universe, even if this means challenging ideas previously held fixed. It is my explicit job to test theories until they fail and when they fail, to refine them. Until they fail, they remain the best-fitting theory - and that is the key point: any theory has to be tested with data.

    I agree with Sheldrake that dogma needs to be challenged and confronted with evidence. Unfortunately that also means dogma about the scientific method itself.



    In his rebuttal, Sheldrake addressed this same argument given by the anonymous scientific board with the following:

    Accusation 2:

    “He also argues that scientists have ignored variations in the measurements of natural constants, using as his primary example the dogmatic assumption that a constant must be constant and uses the speed of light as example…. Physicist Sean Carroll wrote a careful rebuttal of this point.”

    TED’s Scientific Board refers to a Scientific American article that makes my point very clearly: “Physicists routinely assume that quantities such as the speed of light are constant.”

    In my talk I said that the published values of the speed of light dropped by about 20 km/sec between 1928 and 1945. Carroll’s “careful rebuttal” consisted of a table copied from Wikipedia showing the speed of light at different dates, with a gap between 1926 and 1950, omitting the very period I referred to. His other reference (http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/lightandcolor/speedoflight.html) does indeed give two values for the speed of light in this period, in 1928 and 1932-35, and sure enough, they were 20 and 24km/sec lower than the previous value, and 14 and 18 km/sec lower than the value from 1947 onwards.

    1926: 299,798 1928: 299,778 1932-5: 299,774 1947: 299,792

    In my talk I suggest how a re-examination of existing data could resolve whether large continuing variations in the Universal Gravitational Constant, G, are merely errors, as usually assumed, or whether they show correlations between different labs that might have important scientific implications hitherto ignored. Jerry Coyne and TED’s Scientific Board regard this as an exercise in pseudoscience. I think their attitude reveals a remarkable lack of curiosity.

    What Renee Hlozek argues is that she and other scientists do test this assumption, which is what Freeman Dyson also argued in a ‘93 round table discussion with Sheldrake. Are they really doing this? I’m personally not in a position to say, but I wonder, even if true, how deep this acceptance of possible variation in the laws of nature runs. In my own response to Renee, to which I’ve not yet received a response, I wrote:

    I applaud your work Renee, though your abstract is well beyond my ability to comprehend, and I’m glad you’ve joined us here. Do you mind responding to a couple thoughts of mine?

    It’s clear there is scientific interest in examining the constants as you have done, and Sheldrake’s statements elsewhere make it clear that he’s aware of this: “The variation of fundamental constants is now a matter of serious debate among physicists” [Science Set Free, 92]. However, for decades he has been the subject of scorn and ridicule for believing that the laws of nature are more like habits and, to some degree, may be subject to evolutionary change or fluctuation. Earlier I referenced an interesting roundtable discussion between Sheldrake and others, including Freeman Dyson, on this topic. http://goo.gl/AQnaT

    Considering this, and your own experience of course, would you agree or disagree that, historically, many scientists and educated people have been taught, and have frequently espoused as incontrovertibly true, that the laws of nature are fixed? I myself was taught this in college physics and astrophysics classes, and accepted it as undeniable.

    If not, could you at least acknowledge that there’s SOME basis for such a belief being considered common? Or are the laws more commonly held to be working assumptions, as they are for you, and not incontrovertibly fixed?

    Rupert Sheldrake himself made one post on the discussion, calling for TED to sponsor a public debate between himself and a member of the opposition - an idea most participants in the discussion have enthusiastically embraced, though no word from TED yet. He wrote:

    I appreciate the fact that TED published my response to the accusations levelled against me by their Scientific Board, and also crossed out the Board’s statement on the “Open for discussion” blog. http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-for-discussion-graham-hancock-and-rupert-sheldrake/

    There are no longer any specific points to answer. I am all in favour of debate, but it is not possible to make much progress through short responses to nebulous questions like “Is this an idea worth spreading, or misinformation?”

    I would be happy to take part in a public debate with a scientist who disagrees with the issues I raise in my talk. This could take place online, or on Skype. My only condition is that it be conducted fairly, with equal time for both sides to present their arguments, and with an impartial moderator, agreed by both parties.

    Therefore I ask Chris Anderson to invite a scientist from TED’s Scientific Board or TED’s Brain Trust to have a real debate with me about my talk, or if none will agree to take part, to do so himself.

    This puts the ball firmly in TED’s court. Will they take up the gauntlet? Many doubt they will, while still hoping that they do. There is a petition asking TED to reinstate Sheldrake’s talk and a similar one for Hancock’s talk.

    Certainly, the way TED handled this removal has been accepted as unfortunate, by both sides. TED is not a monolith, and the TEDx community, which are independent licensees, are not in unison with the decision, as Stephen Collins, a TEDx Organizer Associate points out:

    … the TED attendee and TEDx organiser community is pretty broad. Not everyone within it is happy with this decision, and I certainly believe it could have been handled MUCH better. My hope is that TED learn from it.

    There’s a number of private forums where TED attendees and TEDx organisers speak directly to TED (though no less directly than here, just on a smaller scale). Let me assure you, there’s plenty of upset and a diversity of views in those as well.

    Matthew Clapp summed up the somewhat odd jumping around that happened with the following:

    The debate started on YouTube (View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4-9l8IWFQ). Those comments disappeared when the video was removed. Then the debate moved to a page that Emily McManus created (http://t.co/NvnpqcG5rZ). The conversation then moved to the “Open for discussion: Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake from TEDxWhitechapel” page on ted.com (http://bit.ly/1192f3p). Then, moved to the “Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake, a fresh take” page (http://bit.ly/YPXCeq). Now, we are on yet another page.

    There have been at least 2,000 comments on this topic so far despite this. Really thoughtful dialogue is now spread out across multiple pages (some no longer accessible). Now, Shedrake’s response is on a different page. There didn’t need to be yet another page for debate. The debate is documented in the previous 2,000 + comments. Each fork in the road is diluting the discussion, not enhancing it.

    I feel too much of the discussion has centered around whether this action of TEDs constitutes censorship or not, with many people upset by the decision calling it so, and a few on the other side questioning this. Taken as a whole, Chris Anderson’s participation has been thus occupied. While I understand and share the emotion behind the censorship “battle cry”, to my mind it does little to further anyone’s interests. It only makes the TED staff, and others who agree with the rejection, more defensive. It pushes them away, rather than engaging them, and like fatty foods, even if there is nothing technically unhealthy about fat, or cries of censorship, by indulging in them we replace more nutritious calories. Rather than spending so much energy on a semantical argument, I would rather have seen more substantive fare early in the discussion. Nonetheless, there have been many deeply thoughtful contributions, which I’d like to reproduce here, as ideas worth spreading, starting with a letter from the organizers of TEDx Whitechapel, where these two talks took place:

    Amrita Bhohi

    ***OPEN LETTER FROM TEDxWHITECHAPEL TEAM*** Please join our call to TED to take the best course of action for all.

    Dear Chris, Lara, and the TED team

    We, the TEDxWhitechapel team - the initiators and co-curators of the event - have deeply reflected on your actions to remove the talks of two of our speakers Rupert Sheldrake and Graham’s Hancock from the official TEDx Youtube channel. We wish to clearly and openly express our views on the matter with the intention of constructively contributing to the discussion as well as to highlight potential pathways for moving forward which are mutually beneficial to all parties involved; our speakers, the TED corporation, and the TED community.

    We want to begin by sharing what TED means to us.

    We have been genuinely transformed through many of the inspiring TEDTalks; they have profoundly challenged our perceptions of and assumptions about the world, opening us up to new perspectives outside of the established mainstream thinking. Moreover, we really believe TED to be an ingenious medium to spread ideas across the globe. As such, TED represents the free and open flow and exchange of ideas globally, enriching and empowering an increasingly connected global community.

    And it is with this passion that we decided to host a TEDx event with the theme “Visions for Transition: Challenging Existing Paradigms and Redefining Values (for a more beautiful world)’. We believe that in order to deal with the diverse and complex crises converging on our planet, we need to challenge the dominant thought paradigms and radically reassess the values which govern our world. In line with Einsteins wisdom “problems cannot be solved with the same level of thinking that created them” we saw TED as a truly special platform.

    You can understand therefore, how shocked and saddened we were when we were alerted to the news that you had decided to remove Graham and Rupert’s talk from the TEDx Youtube channel and furthermore the disrespectful way in which they were treated publicly on the TED blog where you moved them.

    We would like to offer our insights to you, as to why we chose to invite these speakers. We were guided by the advice that TED gives for identifying great speakers, which was as follows.

    To build a powerful speaker program, seek out extraordinary voices in your local community who have a unique story or an unusual perspective — and who can convey it in a dynamic way. Local voices that few have heard before People who can present their field in a new light Perspectives that the global TED community may not have access to Speakers whose work fits your event theme Dream big. Strive to create the best talk you have ever given. Reveal something never seen before. Do something the audience will remember forever. Share an idea that could change the world.

    Controversy energizes!

    We find that Rupert and Graham meet this criteria extremely well. Please also note that Rupert Sheldrake addressed his concerns to us that in the 18 minute format, he would not be able to give a comprehensive explanation of the complex and extensive research and ideas explored in his book. To quote from our response to him, “TED is not supposed to be a source of knowledge, but one of ideas and creativity, which inspire and stimulate to further engage with them.”

    Naturally, we don’t expect TED to agree with the content of the talks, nor are we suggesting that they represent the ‘truth’. We think science offers us a kind of lens with which to view an unfathomably complex world. These speakers challenge the mainstream scientifically accepted viewpoints and this is exactly where their value lies. TED is a platform where these different points of view can be shared, debated and challenged so that we can collectively keep evolving and developing in our understanding.

    In fact, in light of this situation, we are now even stronger in our conviction that these are valuable ideas that need to be discussed and debated widely. The massive response from the TED community and the conversations which this has sparked, tells us that there is much interest in these ideas and therefore that they are highly valuable to the science debate. Indeed, if they were so totally radical and ridiculous as you suggest they are, it leads us to wonder why they have they been worthy of so much attention? Both talks have simultaneously been supported and challenged, which for us reflects a model of how the progression of scientific understanding develops and flows.

    Therefore, we do not support your actions to put the talks on separate blogs where they are hidden from the TED community, cannot be shared, and where the conversation is limited. We also oppose the lack of integrity with which they have been treated. In particular, It is obvious that the content of many of the other existing TEDtalks would not hold up to scrutiny were the same criteria applied to them. Furthermore, we hope that you would grant your community the respect to use their own faculties of discretion and reasoning with regard to the ideas and content of the talks.

    As such, we request and urge you to re-upload the talks not only to the TEDx youtube channel, but also on the official TED.com site, including links to the discussions taking place on the TED blog. We also see this as a vital opportunity for TED to enhance their reputation as a forum for the free flow and sharing of ideas and open debate and an opportunity to win back the trust which may have been lost.

    We think the controversy over these talks is a wonderful opportunity for TED to clarify and strengthen it’s commitment to free thought, especially in the face of pressure from highly committed ideological interests from the blogosphere. Otherwise, we fear that TED will take a lot of criticism for censorship. Several of the other speakers, even if they don’t fully agree with Sheldrake’s and Hancock’s positions, are quite upset that their videos were removed. At our urging, they have been holding back from going public, waiting to see how this plays out. It would be a shame if this ends up causing negative publicity.

    We hope that you will consider this as an opportunity to become a resilient and remarkable organisation: one that has the capacity to be self-reflective, self-critical, adapt to change, evolve and grow with its communities and the challenges it faces. Most of all, that you can stay true to your values as a democratic and open platform for ideas worth spreading.

    It seems to us that enhancing Radical Openness by accepting our invitation to reinstate the talks publicly online, is an outcome that can benefit all parties involved.

    We appreciate your time to consider our message. With hope for a positive outcome for all

    Amrita, Stefana, Jennifer

    And here are a few of the more poignant, top rated comments that I feel are well argued and representative of what many have said:

    Daniel Schulman

    It is incumbent upon TED, if it is not pretense but actually truly does stand for what it claims to stand for - to take Dr. Sheldrake up on this offer - to sponsor, organise and hold a proper debate/discussion between Dr. Sheldrake and his (anonymous) detractors. That would be the ultimate rectification of this debacle and the highest service to the movement of ideas in culture. Running from it would reveal TED to clearly be something entirely other than that which it claims to be. I am on the edge of my seat and keenly excited. Lets get on with it!

    Matthew Clapp

    I’m sure many of you have seen the newly posted “letter to the TEDx community on TEDx and bad science” (http://bit.ly/14dbyE0). Good science is defined by TED as essentially respectability and academic conformity. This would ban most parapsychology and alternative medical research at a stroke. This criteria would also have disqualified Albert Einstein, who in his great creative year of 1905 was working as a patent clerk in Zurich and his work would have failed these tests:

    It is based on theories that are discussed and argued for by many experts in the field It is backed up by experiments that have generated enough data to convince other experts of its legitimacy Its proponents are secure enough to accept areas of doubt and need for further investigation It does not fly in the face of the broad existing body of scientific knowledge The proposed speaker works for a university and/or has a PhD or other bona fide high level scientific qualification

    This is hard to believe, really. It’s the opposite the free market of ideas. In business, capital markets are based on innovation and radically different thinking - in fact, it’s always the new, new thing that pushes the market forward. What TED has outlined is not a recipe for innovative thinking - this is a recipe for dogma and status quo. Playing it safe does not work for long in business and I doubt it will work out well here either.

    I’ve been a big TED fan since the Wurman days. This whole chain of event and the reaction by TED leadership has left me completely baffled.

    Lewis Smart

    Let me preface this by saying that I don’t think either of the videos in question are particularly scientific in nature, they are largely philosophical and subjective, but anyway- TED’s “letter to the TEDx community on TEDx and bad science” and the guidelines contained therein are, I think, dangerously dependent on the idea that the mainstream of science is the most valuable science.

    It IS important to recognise that mainstream science largely is where reliable, trustworthy, and useful science can be found. The mainstream can be thought of as the resting point where ideas go to once they are accepted and their uses are well established (and where they often remain past their use by date, it must be said). However, much of what is now well accepted - Einstein’s theories; our most basic astronomical understandings; the existence and dangers of bacteria and viruses; evolution - began not in the mainstream, but in the tributaries, far out and visibly separate from the mainstream.

    Many of those who are used to the mainstream, ideologically dependent on it, or some way have a vested interest in it, are resistant to ideas in the tributaries. This has always been the case, and it only makes sense. We can only be so open minded, and it takes time and effort to maintain awareness of what is going on on the fringe so as to be able to judge fairly the worth of different things going on there. It’s hard to maintain that effort if you’re heavily vested in what’s going in the mainstream - say if you’re trying for tenure with some mainstream institution, or you’re relied upon as a source of reliable, mainstream knowledge.

    This situation isn’t surprising, but I think that it causes a great deal of conflict, and it holds us back. Our most progressive, pioneering individuals are alienated in this situation. I am sure that many of them simply give up, or lack the support they need to really develop their ideas.

    I think that TED’s policy is likely to perpetuate this situation.

    Debbie Gallagher

    I have been trying to understand why, for two days, I have been feeling angry with TED, and why the new pages/separate discussions/endless attempts to debate the issues have made me feel more irritated, rather than less. Superficially, it seems that TED are trying to make things better by moving the debate to cover whether or not Mr Sheldrake’s material was worth spreading. This would not be a problem, if it wasn’t so obviously a ploy to cover the shortcomings of TED’s policy. Suddenly we are not talking about TED anymore; we have left it behind, nothing changed and nothing answered.

    We learn TED refers to an anonymous board of scientific advisors. This causes me great concern, because in supposed careful refutation of Mr Sheldrake’s talk, a link was offered on the TED page to a frankly terrible piece of writing, sneering of tone, with words like ‘crackpot’ being thrown around. It wasn’t even as though the link went to the primary source of information - TED took me to an angry man’s blog ! What worries me is that TED cited this as a careful rebuttal. This makes me deeply doubt TED’s scholarly credentials.

    If TED does not know the difference between a primary and a secondary source of information, how can I trust TED’s panel of experts to know what they are talking about, let alone make judgments as to what information I should and should not be able to access? How do I know that this bizarre piece wasn’t in fact written by a member of the TED panel? This board should not be anonymous, we need to know who its members are, because they may have agendas. Most humans do; I don’t resent this, but neither do I want it affecting my ability to connect with information and decide for myself. Ironically, the material which was once too dubious for TED’s approval seems perfectly fit when used as a smokescreen.

    Eugene Pustoshkin

    I am very touched by the recent events around Rupert Sheldrake. I think his stance is widely and unjustly misrepresented by a particular camp of critics. These critics attempt to frame Sheldrake’s activities as if he was against modern science. This is not so.

    In my opinion, this happens not because of a careful consideration of Sheldrake’s work but due to political reasons (i.e. human beings are political creatures): A group of people who share a specific worldview and read a specific corpus of texts seems to want to protect their right to monologically claim what science “is” and what science “isn’t,” often refusing to have a polite and reasonable discussion.

    What Sheldrake does, however, is something different than undermining science and the grand scientific project of humanity. Sheldrake himself is a scientist; and he has always been. I believe his intentions are to expand science, to add more curiosity to it, to dissolve some of the obstacles inherent to contemporary scientific praxis.

    You see, we most often think of science as a flatland phenomenon (especially if we are outsiders to science): There is one science, there is one consensus in science, and our immediate perception reflects the world of science in a correct way (reflection paradigm).

    However, the relatively recent emergence of post-metaphysical philosophy represented by Jurgen Habermas (who grounds much of his arguments in the work of Lawrence Kohlberg on the stages of moral development) and constructivist developmental schools of thought and psychology (Robert Kegan, Susanne Cook-Greuter, etc.) carefully points out that there are hierarchies of complexity of thinking about reality, and that the leading-edge perspective today is the one that involves grasping that both the cognizing subject and the cognized objects arise in a vast interconnection and both of them follow stages of development (from a lesser complexity to a higher complexity).

    Steve Stark

    Unfortunately, TED still seems to be unable to let go of its preconceived notions of what Sheldrake said by, for example, talking of his “radical … claim that the speed of light has been changing”. He didn’t say it had been changing, at least not during the timescales during which measurement has been taking place, and not on account of the data observed. He merely made the observation that the data itself had been changing and that this was explained away without much investigation and without even the curiosity to examine the data in detail to see if any interesting trends could be observed. A further point was about the extent to which the measurements themselves seem to have clustered at various times and he wondered aloud about what, if anything, the explanation of “intellectual phase locking” might tell us about the veracity of data in general.

    His point, then, was far more about the scientific process and the mindset that guides it than it was about any actual deviation in the speed of light during the time measurement has been taking place. It does not auger well for this discussion that this fairly straightforward point, which has been made numerous times on the various discussion forums, has been completely ignored and the critic’s false view of what Sheldrake was saying is presented up front as fact.

    I should also point out that the community has spoken, and spoken clearly, on at least two occasions about this talk. They want it to stay, and they want it to stay by a ratio of, as best I can gather, more than 10 to 1. It seems as if you’re just going to keep asking the same question over and over until nobody can be bothered posting anymore. What more can we say? The general points are:

    1. The talk is primarily philosophy of science. 2. We don’t buy the perceived errors/factual inaccuracies and believe these are a function of an inaccurate view of the talk. 3. Even if we did buy the potential legitimacy of the complaints, Sheldrake has refuted you.



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    SUSANakaTHE13THBRIDGE - Posted Mar 6th


    susangrey.
    Hilarious!! Is This The Best Commercial Ever Made? Wait Until You See The End !!!

    blog.petflow.com/hilarious-is-this-the-best-commercial-ever-made-wait-until-you-see-the-end/


    aur1.

    Aurora Borealis over Northumberland, England.
    Photograph taken on 27 February 2014.

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    Aurora Australis (Southern Lights), meet our Milky Way stars, New Zealand - March 6th, 2014


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    Beautiful galaxy in the constellation Leo. Nice Hubble Space Telescope image.

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    Aurora Borealis over the United Kingdom. Fantastic. Photograph was taken on 3 March 2014.



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    Some pretty galaxies, in the constellation Hydra.


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    Aurora Borealis over Maine, USA. Photograph taken on 19 February 2014.

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    Photograph of our Milky Way Galaxy, taken from northern Chile.

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    February 2014

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    Fantastic Sun Halo over Austria. Photograph taken on 29 January 2014.

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    Shiloh - Posted Mar 8th

    March 7: Feast Day of St. Perpetua and St. Felicity

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    perpetua.




    Saints Perpetua and Felicity (believed to have died 7 March 203) are Christian martyrs of the 3rd century. Perpetua (born around 181) was a 22-year old married noblewoman and a nursing mother. Her co-martyr Felicity, an expectant mother, was her slave. They suffered together at Carthage in the Roman province of Africa, during the reign of Septimius Severus.

    The Passion of St. Perpetua, St. Felicitas, and their Companionsown account of his dreams (chapter ii and chapter xi). According to the passion, a number of catechumens were arrested for their faith and executed at the military games in celebration of the Emperor Geta's birthday (chapter ii). The group consisted of a slave named Revocatus, his fellow slave Felicitas, the two free men Saturninus and Seculdulus, and Perpetua (chapter ii).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetua


    511220748.

    [5:12:37 PM-Saturday, March 8th, 2014 +10UCT] Sirius 17: good
    [5:13:00 PM] Sirius 17: any more words from anyone?
    [5:13:38 PM] Shiloh: No
    [5:14:08 PM] Sirius 17: neither here , just my talk with Fates this morning
    [5:14:24 PM] Sirius 17: i thought of talking to Rok but did not
    [5:14:28 PM] Sirius 17: i saw him online
    [5:15:45 PM] Sirius 17: i guess it is best to just let everyone find their own way
    [5:16:19 PM] Sirius 17: it makes me sad though, how even our Thuban group is scattered
    [5:17:16 PM] Sirius 17: i dont really know what to say anymore to them
    [5:17:42 PM] Shiloh: Yes but this is the necessity in view of the tmelines and the prophecies
    [5:17:59 PM] Shiloh: Recall Daniel's 'scattering of the holy people'?
    [5:18:08 PM] Sirius 17: is this like Jesus in the wilderness, his 40 days?
    [5:18:16 PM] Shiloh: Holy means saints here as a 'wholesomeness
    [5:18:30 PM] Sirius 17: yeah
    [5:18:52 PM] Shiloh: Those 40 days are both centred and left and right
    [5:19:16 PM] Shiloh: Centred they began March 5th
    [5:19:38 PM] Shiloh: On the left they began February 13th
    [5:19:51 PM] Sirius 17: do you think they will all come back? like Xeia and Rok at least, maybe even dd?
    [5:20:03 PM] Shiloh: So on the left coinciding with Xeia's 'desertion' yes
    [5:20:14 PM] Shiloh: I dont know
    [5:20:47 PM] Sirius 17: yes i don't know either
    [5:21:20 PM] Shiloh: James is still 'nice' to you?
    [5:21:30 PM] Sirius 17: yes he is getting very loving
    [5:21:38 PM] Shiloh: Hmm this too could be related
    [5:21:49 PM] Sirius 17: he bought me Roses
    [5:22:00 PM] Sirius 17: and has been really sweet
    [5:22:12 PM] Sirius 17: telling me how much he loves me, ect
    [5:22:28 PM] Sirius 17: i don't know what to feel lately
    [5:22:35 PM] Sirius 17: i am all messed up
    [5:22:40 PM] Sirius 17: numb
    [5:23:57 PM] Shiloh: yes it is likewise with me
    [5:24:12 PM] Shiloh: I feel the Mild manouvering and sending impressions
    [5:24:28 PM] Shiloh: switching where they are in lower D
    [5:25:03 PM] Sirius 17: i have still been on my period and so not horny
    [5:25:15 PM] Sirius 17: it has been a painful one
    [5:25:49 PM] Shiloh: Yes the sexual energy appears to be resetting itself in incorporating the past
    [5:26:12 PM] Sirius 17: i am really lost atm and i have no idea what to do most days
    [5:26:26 PM] Sirius 17: one minute i am ok and the next i just don't know
    [5:26:56 PM] Shiloh: We cannot be really 'ok' in this timeframe now
    [5:27:11 PM] Sirius 17: i used to feel the others and now it seems i don't, i feel their distance
    [5:27:58 PM] Shiloh: yes I do too, even DD as part of the MILD and this is caused by the March 1st nexus
    [5:28:19 PM] Shiloh: 24+1+24=49 as the crucial 7 weeks see?
    [5:28:31 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [5:28:37 PM] Shiloh: Since March 1st, something big has shifted
    [5:28:42 PM] Sirius 17: i knew this time would be intense
    [5:29:06 PM] Shiloh: The edict of Cyrus is approaching
    [5:29:19 PM] Shiloh: Babylonian captivity
    [5:29:22 PM] Sirius 17: i sort of went through a pre scenario when i got beheaded and hosptialized
    [5:29:56 PM] Shiloh: yes all part of the 84-42 days
    [5:30:19 PM] Shiloh: The centering was February 11th as the day of your release
    [5:30:52 PM] Shiloh: 42 days before all this intensity started December 31st
    [5:31:08 PM] Sirius 17: it was like i saw ahead in time and i saw the flood, well archtypically, it is a flood of tears from the desolations and that we would be sort of cut off like the 74/666 we are like ascended or something and they are below in 3-D, i saw us up inside a ship in the clouds.
    [5:31:09 PM] Shiloh: The Sharon death following etc etc
    [5:31:35 PM] Shiloh: You saw 'us'?
    [5:31:41 PM] Shiloh: Who exactly?
    [5:31:45 PM] Sirius 17: yes you and i were there
    [5:31:50 PM] Shiloh: And?
    [5:32:09 PM] Sirius 17: and Ets i did not recognize anyone else
    [5:32:30 PM] Shiloh: Ok then, yes this translates as the witness symbol of Rev.11
    [5:32:31 PM] Sirius 17: it was Egyptian like setting, a lot of hawk headed and animal headed people
    [5:32:42 PM] Sirius 17: inside a pyramid
    [5:32:45 PM] Sirius 17: ship
    [5:32:57 PM] Shiloh: There is a movie of this
    [5:33:14 PM] Shiloh: About angels you saw
    [5:33:18 PM] Sirius 17: myabe i don't know
    [5:33:25 PM] Sirius 17: i am telling you what i saw
    [5:33:40 PM] Shiloh: You recommended this movie
    [5:33:51 PM] Shiloh: So this might be a feedback loop
    [5:34:14 PM] Sirius 17: i also just felt things like i was going up and through like a vortex and moving up and down in levels
    [5:34:53 PM] Sirius 17: city of angels?
    [5:35:05 PM] Sirius 17: no that movie has no pyramid ship in it lol
    [5:35:06 PM] Shiloh: Immortal 2004
    [5:35:19 PM] Sirius 17: never saw that either
    [5:35:22 PM] Shiloh: Could have been Xeia
    [5:35:28 PM] Sirius 17: probably
    [5:35:32 PM] Shiloh: It is just as you described
    [5:35:37 PM] Sirius 17: i don't watch to many movies
    [5:35:48 PM] Sirius 17: i did watch dune lately
    [5:35:57 PM] Sirius 17: but that was it
    [5:35:58 PM] Shiloh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortal_(2004_film)
    [5:37:40 PM] Sirius 17: no i don't remember this but it looks interesting
    [5:38:01 PM] Shiloh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9BBf-macwI
    [5:40:05 PM] Shiloh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tnbeDaUKRo&list=PL2AE079FC5FFAB6F8&feature=share&index=10
    [5:40:19 PM] Sirius 17: nope that must of been a Xeia recommendation



    [5:42:28 PM] Shiloh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctRy0ehVmzk&feature=share&list=PL2AE079FC5FFAB6F8&index=7
    [5:42:38 PM] Shiloh: Watch at the 3 minute marker
    [5:42:54 PM] Shiloh: This is just your pyramid spaceship
    [5:43:07 PM] Sirius 17: what i saw was more like impressions and the pyramid was black like in my old dream of the past and inside everything had an orange glow
    [5:43:57 PM] Shiloh: Anubis and Bast brother and sister of Osiris and Isis
    [5:44:14 PM] Shiloh: This film does not go into the actual mythology deep enough
    [5:45:07 PM] Shiloh: The imagery dovetails with your impressions rather well though

    [5:46:31 PM] Shiloh: http://youtu.be/unS-7E4CM68
    [5:46:34 PM] Sirius 17: interesting, yes i have never seen this before
    [5:46:36 PM] Shiloh: Full movie there
    [5:47:32 PM] Shiloh: Yes Xeia wanted me to watch it I recall now
    [5:48:16 PM] Sirius 17: the Egyptian animal heads i saw were more realistic though and they were wearing like a metallic kind of sheen material but still Egyptian, but seemed futuristic
    [5:48:37 PM] Shiloh: Of course
    [5:49:04 PM] Shiloh: I am simply showing you a deeper storyline of sex between ETs and humans as displayed in this film
    [5:49:27 PM] Shiloh: It is interesting you were unaware of this film as it is so synchronistic
    [5:49:50 PM] Sirius 17: the whole Egyptian theme kept coming back to me and this was even before i went into the hosptial i had these impressions, my room being a crypt and chamber inside the pyramids ect.
    [5:50:02 PM] Shiloh: IF you would have seen it one would be inclined to say that it is from this memory your dreams arose
    [5:50:29 PM] Shiloh: But as you did not this adds a lot of depth and significance to your impressions
    [5:50:29 PM] Sirius 17: no i swear i have not seen it
    [5:50:45 PM] Shiloh: It is an approximation
    [5:50:49 PM] Sirius 17: but i can see this is something Xeia would watch lol
    [5:51:04 PM] Shiloh: A movie approximating or pointing to the ET reality
    [5:51:20 PM] Sirius 17: yes it has that feel
    [5:52:35 PM] Shiloh: And the pyramid is LIKE my spacecities see as my impression?
    [5:52:53 PM] Sirius 17: yeah
    [5:53:00 PM] Shiloh: So a similar energy dynamic
    [5:53:30 PM] Shiloh: One Egyptian and the other ET
    [5:54:09 PM] Sirius 17: also before i went into the hospital i kept feeling mummy wrappings on me and that i was laying in a sarcophogus as well, i have no idea why. this is not something that i go imagining about ok, it was very creepy in a way, foreign
    [5:54:39 PM] Shiloh: Part of the 'support' from spirit here
    [5:54:52 PM] Shiloh: It was the witness testimony
    [5:55:05 PM] Shiloh: This also is 84+1+84 days recall?
    [5:55:14 PM] Shiloh: As its longest timescale
    [5:55:26 PM] Shiloh: The shortest timescale is just 1 day March 25th
    [5:55:31 PM] Sirius 17: and I kept having dreams of Jacob that the neighbors and other people took him to teach him the ways like having sex with other women and such, he was pissed off
    [5:55:52 PM] Shiloh: Yes ET initiations
    [5:56:19 PM] Sirius 17: like they wanted him to be a woman
    [5:56:33 PM] Shiloh: Yes the neighbours relate to the waves
    [5:56:33 PM] Sirius 17: these kinds of impressions
    [5:57:09 PM] Shiloh: The energy in those dreams is ET induced iow but manifests as normal neighbours etc
    [5:57:16 PM] Sirius 17: and so yeah i was loosing orientation with reality a lot like i would say a week or so before i got hospitalized
    [5:57:26 PM] Shiloh: So your brain can manage it
    [5:57:30 PM] Sirius 17: i could not tell the difference between realty and dreaming
    [5:57:51 PM] Sirius 17: if i was awake or not at times
    [5:58:07 PM] Shiloh: January 24th was the 60th day
    [5:58:23 PM] Sirius 17: yes and this is the day i found the songlines home to Sirius
    [5:58:34 PM] Sirius 17: up a tree in that yard where the police found me
    [5:58:52 PM] Sirius 17: i was sun gazing and singing them in
    [5:59:08 PM] Sirius 17: using the tree to climb higher d
    [5:59:40 PM] Sirius 17: applesauce found the place
    [5:59:42 PM] Sirius 17: i followed her
    [6:00:04 PM] Shiloh: You can partition the 84 days as 24+36+24=84
    [6:00:25 PM] Shiloh: Then January 24th and March 1st define a LAW=36
    [6:00:49 PM] Sirius 17: i see
    [6:01:05 PM] Shiloh: So the time from January 24th to March 1st will then become a time when the LAW is made manifest
    [6:01:13 PM] Shiloh: Ergo the changes in the energy dynamics
    [6:01:40 PM] Shiloh: 36=6x6=18+18=666+666 as well
    [6:01:55 PM] Shiloh: So a form of archetyped Armageddon
    [6:02:02 PM] Shiloh: Mirrored in itself
    [6:02:18 PM] Sirius 17: hmm yes well i was set free in my mind
    [6:02:29 PM] Sirius 17: i just totally let it all go, all restriction
    [6:03:04 PM] Shiloh: Now divide 36=18+18 and you have January 24th - February 10th - March 1st
    [6:03:28 PM] Sirius 17: it has calmed down a lot now, well because i have to ground a bit to stay focused or James gets worried, so i am maintaining my composure for now
    [6:03:31 PM] Shiloh: Showing you that the first 18 days were your imprisonment and the 2nd 18 days your readjustment
    [6:03:43 PM] Sirius 17: interesting yes
    [6:03:49 PM] Sirius 17: i was in there for 18 days yes
    [6:04:03 PM] Shiloh: As decoded above yes
    [6:04:30 PM] Shiloh: It was of a cosmic significance and not just personal iow
    [6:04:30 PM] Sirius 17: was my imprisonment mirroring something biblical?
    [6:04:50 PM] Sirius 17: like the babylonian captivity or i don't know
    [6:05:07 PM] Shiloh: As 18 is half of 36 it images the 3½ as half of 7
    [6:05:30 PM] Shiloh: The 3½ is the 84 and many other things as 1260 days
    [6:05:54 PM] Sirius 17: the 24th of Jan is mirrored in what day on the other side?
    [6:06:06 PM] Shiloh: The 7 heads of the beast are just like 7 days of the week
    [6:06:14 PM] Shiloh: March 1st
    [6:06:30 PM] Shiloh: 7 mountains to 'flee to' in Matthew 24
    [6:06:52 PM] Shiloh: The 8th head being the reset say 8 days from Sunday to Sunday
    [6:07:03 PM] Shiloh: Also the sabbath Mirror of God's rest
    [6:07:13 PM] Sirius 17: yes i did not understand the Judea fleeing to the mountains thing
    [6:07:31 PM] Shiloh: All of the 'evil' in Rev is doubled to be made 'good' remember?
    [6:07:45 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [6:07:48 PM] Shiloh: The mountans are simply principles
    [6:08:06 PM] Sirius 17: ok
    [6:08:11 PM] Shiloh: But imaged ion the 7 codes like a week
    [6:08:19 PM] Shiloh: Why does it say this:
    [6:08:53 PM] Shiloh:


    Revelation 6:16
    And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:


    Hosea 10:8
    The high places also of Aven, the sin of Israel, shall be destroyed: the thorn and the thistle shall come up on their altars; and they shall say to the mountains, Cover us; and to the hills, Fall on us.


    Luke 23:30
    Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.



    [6:09:21 PM] Shiloh: These are simply humans wanting to 'hide' beneath their laws and principles
    [6:09:25 PM] Shiloh: See this now?
    [6:09:31 PM] Sirius 17: yes ok that makes sense
    [6:09:37 PM] Shiloh: About time
    [6:09:41 PM] Sirius 17: like dd and her ucadia nonsense
    [6:09:46 PM] Shiloh: Exactly
    [6:10:17 PM] Sirius 17: yes i suffered some 'law' crap in there related to her
    [6:10:27 PM] Sirius 17: this was the feeling i got
    [6:10:34 PM] Sirius 17: i suffered many things for all of us
    [6:10:45 PM] Sirius 17: absorbed it i should say
    [6:10:58 PM] Shiloh: I would say so too
    [6:11:09 PM] Sirius 17: because i did not want them to suffer like me
    [6:11:23 PM] Sirius 17: also why i got a vaccine for the flue
    [6:11:28 PM] Sirius 17: stuff like that
    [6:11:38 PM] Sirius 17: i did it for all of us collectively
    [6:12:13 PM] Sirius 17: and Xeia was pissed off about it, she showed up in this group of people and injected me as payback
    [6:12:46 PM] Shiloh: Yes Xeia is searching for alternatives to Thuban now
    [6:13:09 PM] Sirius 17: she always has been
    [6:13:29 PM] Sirius 17: to do things 'her' way
    [6:13:47 PM] Sirius 17: lol little bruja
    [6:13:49 PM] Sirius 17: i know her
    [6:13:55 PM] Sirius 17: witchywoo
    [6:14:21 PM] Sirius 17: would be so much more powerful if she would just get on board
    [6:14:33 PM] Sirius 17: and stop being rebellious
    but then i read that one part where you shared that Dan will be like the snake biting the ankels
    [6:15:21 PM] Sirius 17: and so it is with her
    [6:16:09 PM] Shiloh: Yes in the deepest sense this symbology refers to a double curse
    [6:17:00 PM] Sirius 17: what do you mean?
    [6:17:47 PM] Sirius 17: back to the cain/abel thing again?
    [6:23:26 PM] Shiloh: No this curse is addressed to both Eve as the Mother of All and the Serpent in Eden
    [6:23:55 PM] Shiloh: This curse is so more from the fake jehovah, than Abba, though it is the same originator of course
    [6:24:48 PM] Sirius 17: i see
    [6:25:13 PM] Shiloh:


    Genesis 3:13-24 - King James Version (KJV)

    13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
    14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
    16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
    17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
    18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
    19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
    20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
    21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
    22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
    23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
    24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.



    [6:25:44 PM] Shiloh: This 'Flaming Sword' is a like Excalibur in the Arthurian legends
    [6:26:04 PM] Shiloh: It protects the truth from the pretenders
    [6:26:24 PM] Shiloh: The true meaning of the 'Tree of Life' of course
    [6:26:54 PM] Sirius 17: yes i was shown this symbol
    [6:28:56 PM] Sirius 17: well it was a sword in a stone so same thing, Excalibur
    [6:29:26 PM] Sirius 17: but also i was shown that it is the Yoni penetrated by the phallus of the Father
    [6:30:41 PM] Shiloh: [6:25 PM] Shiloh:


    <<< 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


    And this describes this curse, then revisited in the 'heel of Esau' in the Esau-Jacob order of the birthright as the evolvement of the Cain-Abel order and later the Pharez-Zarah order in Judah and the Mannasseh-Ephraim aka the USA-Commonwealth order of Joseph
    [6:31:24 PM] Sirius 17: yes and remember that Xeia had some kind of mark on her forehead in cancun?
    [6:31:35 PM] Shiloh: Of course the Cosmic Vesica Pisces is the Yoni=Pen-is=63
    [6:32:15 PM] Shiloh: 54=LOVE=NAVIGA=VAGINA=SUN=GABRIEL=DECODER=... but dont tell that to the moralising purists and censors and protectors of the 'human decencies'
    [6:32:24 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [6:32:44 PM] Sirius 17: yes i know that you carry the Gabriel energy
    [6:32:54 PM] Sirius 17: it comes from MI
    [6:33:16 PM] Shiloh: Eli, eli alma pace, ana gorik gabrielle
    [6:33:22 PM] Shiloh: Is Atlantean lol
    [6:33:31 PM] Sirius 17: oh really hehe
    [6:34:03 PM] Shiloh: It translates as; "Abba, Abba in peace through the power of Gabriel!..."
    [6:34:17 PM] Sirius 17: nice
    [6:35:11 PM] Shiloh: I came across this from a psychic reader back in 1984 or such and the first day I actually said this I experienced a familiar energy influx
    [6:35:44 PM] Sirius 17: interesting, yes it is sort of like the Sirian
    [6:35:47 PM] Shiloh: The same energy of Calvary 1975 and the Beelzebub visitation of 1976
    [6:36:16 PM] Shiloh: So I knew I was allowed to incorporate this 'Atlantean spell' into my user vocubularies
    [6:36:25 PM] Sirius 17: hehe yes
    [6:37:21 PM] Sirius 17: i keep thinking what you said how Atlantis is now
    [6:37:29 PM] Sirius 17: i can really see it
    [6:38:17 PM] Sirius 17: how the world is poised on self destruction and technology abounds
    [6:38:59 PM] Sirius 17: and yes there are still a few of us sacred fire keepers of Atlantis around
    [6:39:31 PM] Sirius 17: hopefully we have mitigated such a scenario
    [6:40:00 PM] Shiloh: Indeed the Atlantis of the mythology was global and an interesection of the higher D with the lower D
    [6:40:34 PM] Shiloh: Iow Atlantis in the Atlantic is NOW PRESENT as is the Lemuria of the Pacific
    [6:41:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes it all exists now
    [6:41:58 PM] Shiloh: So of course mone can find monuments and 'temple dedications' to both all over the globe from the Biami Bermuda triangle to the coasts of Japan and Patagonia
    [6:42:35 PM] Sirius 17: yes they discover new underwater cities all the time
    [6:43:08 PM] Sirius 17: like all the stuff from the past is resurfacing now and able to be found
    because time is in this compression or loop
    [6:47:50 PM] Sirius 17: have you seen the news about this Malaysia flight that has crashed apparently?
    [6:49:01 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/justice/florida-mother-minivan-ocean/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
    [6:49:09 PM] Sirius 17: also this happend as well
    [6:49:57 PM] Sirius 17: it happened Tuesday
    [6:50:48 PM] Sirius 17: the woman is claiming she was possessed
    [6:52:38 PM] Sirius 17: it really is sad
    [6:53:20 PM] Shiloh: Yes and how often did I say that many will 'really' go mad?
    [6:53:57 PM] Sirius 17: yes, do you expect more will the closer we get to the 25th?
    [6:53:57 PM] Shiloh: The so called rationality of the warmongers and human morons MUST manifest itself in its 'real insanity'
    [6:54:33 PM] Shiloh: And then 'normal folks' will carry this madness as its own 'New Beginning' as ADAM backwards MAD A or Mad Alpha
    [6:54:48 PM] Sirius 17: yes this standoff in the crimea is such BS, i really hope these assholes don't get us into a war
    [6:55:21 PM] Shiloh: It is all about 'economics' in this case the oil pipelines from the Baltic Sea into Europe
    [6:55:33 PM] Sirius 17: yes i remember you said that
    [6:55:37 PM] Shiloh: How many super rich Russians have property in London?
    [6:55:50 PM] Sirius 17: seems they want to succeed from Ukraine, or so they said
    [6:56:16 PM] Sirius 17: i have no idea
    [6:56:23 PM] Sirius 17: probably not many
    [6:56:47 PM] Shiloh: My own country here is being 'sold off' to the Chinese every day and this is why house and property prizes are now so high, that even two income families here cannot afford any longer to own their own homes
    [6:57:10 PM] Sirius 17: yes it is the same shi20 here in America with our big housing crunch
    [6:57:22 PM] Shiloh: Ukraine has the European investments Juju, whilst Crimea has the Russian one
    [6:57:32 PM] Sirius 17: i see
    [6:57:49 PM] Shiloh: But you wont get the 'real facts' on the mainstream nor the Nabs channels here
    [6:58:16 PM] Sirius 17: no i don't suppose so
    [6:58:28 PM] Sirius 17: the news here is like so horrible now
    [6:58:40 PM] Sirius 17: CNN is not even doing all day programming anymore
    [6:58:49 PM] Shiloh: So in simple words 'all is fuc11ed' and there simply cannot be ANY political solutions, including WW3
    [6:58:58 PM] Sirius 17: they have injected other shows into their venu now
    [6:59:44 PM] Shiloh: The only 'thing' worthwhile on Earth now is its technology of the globalisation of the communications
    [7:00:11 PM] Shiloh: But this was ET 'sponsored' from the start as the science anyhow
    [7:00:28 PM] Sirius 17: yes no doubt
    [7:00:51 PM] Shiloh: You can forget about ALL religions, politics, economics and 'progress' now in all other avenues of the old human paradigms and contexts
    [7:01:26 PM] Shiloh: And of course about the one real cosmic 'obscenity' of the war industries
    [7:01:54 PM] Sirius 17: good, i hope so
    [7:07:29 PM] Sirius 17: ok
    [7:10:05 PM] Sirius 17: yeah the perpetua i was compelled to research
    [7:10:23 PM] Sirius 17: it made me think of the sisterhood
    [7:10:46 PM] Sirius 17: and so i posted it
    [7:11:06 PM] Sirius 17: i like the energy behind the story
    [7:14:45 PM] Shiloh: The name fits 'perpetual'
    [7:15:07 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [7:15:30 PM] Shiloh: As eternal infinity
    [7:21:44 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/03/05/bitcoin-firm-ceo-found-dead-in-suspected-suicide/
    [7:21:47 PM] Sirius 17: this is strange
    [7:21:57 PM] Sirius 17: more banking fallout but this time with bitcoin
    [7:22:42 PM] Shiloh: This is part of this 'global madness' related to the old human 'groupmind'
    [7:23:54 PM] Shiloh: So this is the 'destruction' of those that destroy the earth and so addresses the 'elites', like bankers and ''ptb rulers' like the 'invisible echeloners' etc
    [7:24:25 PM] Sirius 17: yes the merchants
    [7:24:42 PM] Shiloh:

    Revelation 11:18

    And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.



    [7:24:57 PM] Sirius 17: they were all invited to dinner at the masters house but were just too busy to attend
    [7:25:19 PM] Shiloh: No 'love and light' of the Nabsers here now is it?
    [7:25:31 PM] Sirius 17: no
    [7:25:37 PM] Sirius 17: it is serious shi20
    [7:25:44 PM] Shiloh: The time for this will come AFTER the Logos-AntiLogos war
    [7:26:18 PM] Shiloh: You saw Courtney Brown now addressing the Ides of March?
    [7:26:25 PM] Shiloh: March 15th?
    [7:26:27 PM] Sirius 17: no i didnt
    [7:27:07 PM] Shiloh: They say, that on that day his 'big announcement' regarding the 'New World' paradigm and order will be made
    [7:27:39 PM] Shiloh: It is of course the start of the 21=10+1+10 as 3 weeks of Gabriel of Daniel and the Logos
    [7:27:42 PM] Sirius 17: lol he keeps changing his dates
    [7:28:34 PM] Shiloh: Because all this human 'tuning in' and 'remote viewing through glassy prisms' etc are mere approximations to the 'real Logos' nous
    [7:28:49 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [7:29:34 PM] Shiloh: And the 'false prophets' like Bonacci and O'Collins and Brown etc all are 'feeling the heat' from the Logos Fire Burning
    [7:30:01 PM] Shiloh: All three of them deny the Logos to varying degrees see that?
    [7:30:11 PM] Shiloh: So they will 'burn' in their 'deceiving minds' as it is written
    [7:31:24 PM] Shiloh: They mean well, but nevertheless are deceivers in the 'greater script', albeit authorized to be so and to fulfil their agencies of the polarisations


    Revelation 14:9-11

    9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.



    [7:31:46 PM] Sirius 17: yes it is funny that FOC took all his stuff down, fits right in with things on the timeline
    [7:32:13 PM] Sirius 17: Bonacci getting kidnapped, ect
    [7:33:18 PM] Sirius 17: http://westernschooloffengshui.com/2014/01/2014woodhorse/
    [7:33:38 PM] Sirius 17: this is a nice little thing i found on the chinese astrology for the year
    [7:36:20 PM] Sirius 17:
    The Horse energy inspires powerful INTUITION and an indomitable surge towards freedom in every aspect of life. This is a year to follow your inner voice like never before, for it will have a universal cosmic is iSee more at: http://westernschooloffengshui.com/2014/01/2014woodhorse/#sthash.IxSqDvHj.dpuf

    [7:36:28 PM] Sirius 17: yes good find
    [7:39:38 PM] Shiloh: Yes Debbie is of the Dog Year 1982, although on January 8th, she still falls into the 1981 Chinese New Year of the Rooster. But MI is a 'real' Dog as 1922 with 1922+60=1982
    [7:40:00 PM] Sirius 17: hehe nice
    [7:40:20 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i think Carla is a horse too
    [7:41:38 PM] Shiloh: Cassie is a Horse as Debbie's sister of 1990 with 1990+24=2014
    [7:42:18 PM] Sirius 17: yes special energy they have
    [7:43:39 PM] Shiloh: Horse Years are 2014 and 2002 and 1990 and 1978 and 1966 and 1954 and then in steps of 12
    [7:53:53 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140305135456.htm
    [7:54:18 PM] Sirius 17: wow look at that image, it is a super massive black hole
    [7:57:34 PM] Shiloh:


    bhole.

    Multiple images of a distant quasar are visible in this combined view from NASA’s Chandra X-ray Observatory and the Hubble Space Telescope.
    Credit: X-ray: NASA/CXC/Univ of Michigan/R.C.Reis et al; Optical: NASA/STScI
    "The discovery that the black hole in RX J1131 is spinning at over half the speed of light suggests this black hole, observed at a distance of six billion light years, corresponding to an age about 7.7 billion years after the Big Bang, has grown via mergers, rather than pulling material in from different directions.
    The ability to measure black hole spin over a large range of cosmic time should make it possible to directly study whether the black hole evolves at about the same rate as its host galaxy. The measurement of the spin of the RX J1131-1231 black hole is a major step along that path and demonstrates a technique for assembling a sample of distant supermassive black holes with current X-ray observatories.
    Prior to the announcement of this work, the most distant black holes with direct spin estimates were located 2.5 billion and 4.7 billion light-years away."

    [7:58:14 PM] Shiloh: Those details are interesting to me, as the 'age of the universe' is too low as measured by the old cosmological models and a Quasar is a inversed 'Black Hole Mother' as a 'White Hole Father' as you might remember
    [7:58:25 PM] Shiloh: Can you remember what I said about this?
    [7:58:49 PM] Shiloh: The universe is 19.1 billion years old with a Nodal Hubble limit at 16.9 billion?
    [7:59:07 PM] Sirius 17: yes that is because of the hubble bubble they misinterpret the actual age of the universe, they don't see that it is a mirror
    [7:59:22 PM] Shiloh: So this means the differentials are 16.9+2.2=19.1 and 16.9-2.2=14.7
    [7:59:59 PM] Shiloh: Now those old Black Hole measurements are just at those boundary values as 2.2 and so 4.4 billion years
    [8:00:25 PM] Sirius 17: interesting
    [8:01:36 PM] Shiloh: They published 2.5 billion and 4.7 billion each value differing by 300 million light years which is a specific cosmic time marker called the 'recombination Epoch' when the universe changed or transformed from transparency to opaqueness
    [8:02:32 PM] Shiloh: This means that the first hydrogen atoms and so all of chemistry could form as the electromagnetic radiation and including the neutrino flux became contained within the expanding Big Bang fireball etceteras
    [8:03:16 PM] Shiloh: So this 'discovery' might well be an experimental result which could verify the Thuban science
    [8:03:47 PM] Sirius 17: nice, it wouldn't surprise me
    [8:04:09 PM] Sirius 17: your predictions on the quarks have been spot on
    [8:04:24 PM] Sirius 17: they keep finding supporting evidence for that
    [8:05:31 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140307124655.htm this fits in too
    [8:05:48 PM] Shiloh: Yes and also recall those newest Hubble Constant measurements from the Planck telescope?
    [8:06:06 PM] Shiloh: They decreased this constant from so 72 to 69?
    [8:06:37 PM] Sirius 17: yeah
    [8:07:04 PM] Shiloh: But neglected or 'obscured' that this would increase the age of the universe to so 14.7 billion years and so 1 billion years from its older value of 13.7 billion years?
    [8:07:32 PM] Shiloh: They are embarrassed about this of course and so this is not reported by the mainstream science reports
    [8:08:28 PM] Shiloh: But again see how this nicely dovetails with the dragon science predicting that the age of the universe should be measured in the lower (10D actually) as 19.1-2.2=14.7 billion years from its 'electromagnetic and higher (11D)' age of 19.1 billion years?
    [8:09:35 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [8:11:17 PM] Shiloh: Yes the cosmic magnetism was denied as impossible for decades but has now been verified many times
    [8:12:04 PM] Shiloh: And a core premise of dragon science aka ET science is of course the nature of the magnetic monopoles as the physical nature of the 'spirit'
    [8:13:05 PM] Shiloh: All mass and matter is simply static electric current as a string- or membrane coupling to its own self generating magnetic field vectors of orthogonality
    [8:14:07 PM] Sirius 17: i am going to head to bed sweety, i am falling asleep here
    [8:14:35 PM] Shiloh: All spinning mass in the lower D, therefore can be expressed as a higher dimensional magnetic effect describing a Tesla field
    [8:14:44 PM] Sirius 17: but yes interesting finds that support the Thuban Omni-science
    [8:14:53 PM] Shiloh: Lol it does
    [8:15:08 PM] Shiloh: Buenas Juju
    [8:15:18 PM] Sirius 17: Buenas Tonylove
    [8:15:37 PM] Sirius 17: (heart)(F)(heart)(F)
    http://www.newsdaily.com/article/1c51489c429f559d96db0271b92c2e6f/statue-of-egypt-pharoanic-princess-found-in-luxor
    [8:16:05 PM] Sirius 17: here extra bonus
    [8:16:25 PM] Sirius 17: symbolic meaning
    [8:16:34 PM] Sirius 17: finding a long lost daughter

    luxor.

    CAIRO (AP) — Egypt has announced that a team of European archaeologists have found a nearly 2-meter- (6 ½-foot-) tall alabaster statue of a pharoanic princess, dating from approximately 1350 B.C., outside the southern city of Luxor.
    Minister of Antiquities Mohammed Ibrahim said in in a statement Friday that the statue was once part of a larger statue that was nearly 14 meters (456 feet) tall and guarded the entrance to a temple.
    Ibrahim says the statue is of Iset, the daughter of Amenhotep III, and is the first found that depicts her without her siblings. Archaeologists uncovered the statue next to the funerary temple of Amenhotep III, who was worshipped as a deity after his death.

    http://www.newsdaily.com/article/1c51489c429f559d96db0271b92c2e6f/statue-of-egypt-pharoanic-princess-found-in-luxor


    [8:27:31 PM] Shiloh: ISET indeed as the IS SET the sexchange opearation of the Daath as the secret path of the 11-sefiroth kabbalah
    [8:28:03 PM] Shiloh: Can you see the SETTING of the Old humanoid Sun?
    [8:27:31 PM] Shiloh: ISET indeed as the IS SET the sexchange opearation of the Daath as the secret path of the 11-sefiroth kabbalah
    [8:28:03 PM] Shiloh: Can you see the SETTING of the Old humanoid Sun?[8:39:36 PM] Shiloh: And if you closely study the Daniel chart right at the bottom, you will find Iset of 1350BC and Amenhotep III as the descendent of Amenhotep I aka the son of the pharaoh of the historical exodus of the Hyksos in Ahmose I and starting the 18th dynasty.
    Then Akhenaten with Nefertiti are actually the Amenhoteb IV reign of the 18th dynasty renamed and so characteristic for the 300 year period of the encoded exodus from 1536BC to 1236BC just after the Amenhoteb III reign including this find of Iset as a daughter of Amenhoteb III and with 1236 BC defining the mythologized Image of the Hyksos Exodus under the pharaoh Rameses in the moses-meses-misis semantic root derivatives of the 'wordplay'
    [8:40:45 PM] Shiloh: Then your Egyptian impressions indeed relate to Nefertiti's daughters and so on in a 'ancient remembrance' of sorts.

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    Shiloh - Posted Mar 13th


    AT LENT and the Weight of a Talent of the Revelation
    Revelation 16:16-21
    King James Version (KJV)

    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
    18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
    19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
    20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
    21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.


    rev16a. rev16b. rev16c.


    #Lunar Year Day49Lent|50|Easter49
    99=666=18
    ADD=9=I=DAD
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    Principality{7|1|7}Antiprincipality
    7 Mountains
    + 3 Ribs/Neutralities
    10 Archons=Heads/Kings/Horns
    Doubled in 15+1+15

    Daniel.7&Revelation.13;17;18.6
    10+1+10 Days
    21 Gabriel
    Persia
    Grecia
    Michael 21


    Daniel.10&Rev.2.10

    153=76+1+76 Fishdays in 200 Days within 99=666 Days of the Apocalypse of the Revealing of the Dragonmade Armageddon

    John.21.8-11&Isaiah.66.22-24&Rev.9.15
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    1st Horn of Captivity Created and Defined
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    7th Heaven of the Sabbath Mirror
    Reflection||Absorption

    7th Head of ManHeart Beast
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    2nd Horn of Captivity Created and Defined
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    8th Heaven of the 4-Wind Relativity
    Sea-Mirror for 6th||10th & 7th||9th

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    3rd Horn of Captivity Created and Defined
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    Absorption||Quantization||Reflection

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    4th Horn of Captivity Created and Defined
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    Goddess Awakening in Her Homecoming Remembrance

    The Real 'Cosmic' Disclosure Vs the Fakes or Incompletion Data


    The_Planets___Venus_by_InertiaK.

    [12:57:41 AM - Monday, March 17th, 2014 -8UCT] Shiloh: The future will bring things together again
    [12:57:45 AM] Shiloh: Not yet
    [12:57:55 AM] Allisiam: at the moment they are all brats
    [12:58:04 AM] Allisiam: ignorant
    [12:58:12 AM] Shiloh: They have to be just to survive
    [12:58:21 AM] Allisiam: yes i know
    [12:58:46 AM] Shiloh: If they knew or be interested in Logos and the big stories even, they could not function
    [12:59:02 AM] Shiloh: Easy for me sitting around on computers
    [12:59:07 AM] Allisiam: probably not, look at us
    [12:59:14 AM] Shiloh: as said
    [12:59:30 AM] Allisiam: useless in this old world
    [12:59:37 AM] Shiloh: Yes
    [12:59:50 AM] Shiloh: But mirrors
    [1:00:14 AM] Allisiam: yes with a definite pre-incarnational contract
    [1:01:03 AM] Allisiam: we both knew coming into this life at an early age things would not be status quo
    [1:01:09 AM] Allisiam: or normal
    [1:01:20 AM] Allisiam: not for us
    [1:01:50 AM] Allisiam: it is hard to ignore what you know
    [1:01:53 AM] Allisiam: when you know
    [1:02:25 AM] Allisiam: its not like we can just go back to some kind of normal life
    [1:02:31 AM] Allisiam: lol wtf is normal



    Shiloh wrote:

    Yes God has the goddess inside and he wants her out; so he has to create a way to do this and this becomes the 'big divide' of heaven and earth after He images himself with Her inside himself in Adam with Eve inside of Adam as the heavenly mirror without space and without time. But space and time are created or born or come into being at this 'Big Bang of the abstract quantum' and many things 'suddenly exist' such as gravity and so on. Then Adam gets his Eve in a fake version relative to himself as Adam; BUT God can now see his True Goddess of the cosmos as a fake Eve for Adam. So they are 'banished' from the nospace and notime heaven to live WITHIN the true goddess of the spacetimed cosmic Goddess AS the Big She aka the creation universe.

    Then the fake Adams and fake Eves relative to the Inside Mirror or skin of the Goddess Mother are inside the belly of the lioness as Jonah's whale. But God can see the outside skin of the Goddess and Adam AND Eve can see the inside skin as their 'heavens above'. But they fail to see this as the original story of NOT just themselves, but of their creator God father Abba as well, until the Logos comes who KNOWS the truth. Jesus so understands what this Inside skin of the heavenly goddess is and also knows its Outside skin the one Abba is looking at as the outside mirror doublesided as the inside mirror of it all.

    So the maleminded Adam AND the maleminded Eve BOTH are part of the Goddess Lioness BODY which is FEMALEand as the within of the Goddess-Creation-All Worlds. So Jesus BEFORE the resurrection was also maleminded and female bodied like all 'mortal' ignorants or 'sinners'. But even then, he was NOT ignorant or 'sinful' because he knew and understood the true story of God and that of all of the creation. So he also knew that the other Adams and Eves could not yet become privy to this same story he knew. So he talked about mysteries and parables and allegories and metaphors and symbols. But AFTER the resurrection, he KNEW he had nowhere to go in the 'normal human afterlife' because he knew he was also on the outside of the mirror looking in through the 'Eyes of Abba'.

    Therefore the truth of the being in the bosom of the father with the father also being inside of him and he inside of his friends. So Jesus AFTER the Resurrection could himself BECOME the miniature BODY of the Goddess all female from the start and beginnings and still carrying his old malemindedness from before the resurrection. This however made him a cosmic 'freak of nature', because heshe was the only vessel of a true female mindedness having eaten the male bodiedness also missing from the start. He so recreated the original Adam female bodied and maleminded in the turning of things inside out and just as was required for the fake Eve to become a real Woman in Mary Magdalene as the archetype for ALL femmes and still female bodied and maleminded. This is why he said after the resurrection to Mary NOT to touch him, as he was not then 'ascended' back to the outside of the father 's mirror in John.20.17.



    John 20:17 - King James Version (KJV)

    17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


    And this is why Peter said Mary and all old Eves to be 'unworthy' to enter the maleminded kingdom of Abba on the outside in GOT#114

    GOT#114 (Lambdin)

    (114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
    Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."



    But Jesus ascended or BECAME the inside skin of the universe swallowing the entire creation as the Lion of Judah and after Mary 'died' she became his mirror there with her old male mindedness and female bodiedness NOW becoming the super duper new cosmic template for BOTH malemindedness of Mary and femalemindedness of Jesus mirrored and eternally entwined with the malebodiedness of Jesus and the female bodiedness of Mary. This we call JCCJ.
    It is the inside skin of the entire universe physical and will be BROKEN as the inside skin of the cosmic egg on March 25th, 2014. Now Jesus breaking the cosmic egg from the inside and just like a reptilian snake, serpent or alligator escapes his confinement, will allow the old father God to graduate in losing his fatherhood to his son in a totally new grandfatherhood.

    And because Mary is entwined in the creator-creation cosmic alchemical 'heavenly wedding or dragonomy' reproduction; Jesus breaking the egg from the inside and from the right side of the Father on the 'throne of heaven' will also promote Mary M to become the new Mother of the Creation from the Left and allow the old Mother Baab Barbelo to graduate into a Grandmotherhood from the left. Then from March 25th, the original totally abstract nature of Old Father Abba and Old Mother Baab will become REALISED in the hyper- or SUPER physicality of the Jesus-MM cosmic twinship now inseperable, BUT able to reproduce itself in all acolytes able to 'Eat the Lion' and a Lion Cosmic Twin who has already eaten or 'Last Suppered' or 'eucharisted' or 'sedered' all thing existing in any term of physicality by nature of the universe and cosmic genomatrix.


    GOT #7 (Lambdin)

    (7) Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man."


    This story I shared with Adam yesterday and of course its author is not me, but it stems and is seeded from the cosmic LOGISTIC dictator. If you like, share this story on the operation scrambleweb forum on Moa as a witness.

    [1:29:37 AM] Allisiam: sure its our story meant to be shared
    [1:29:59 AM] Shiloh: Yes and I will use this in some form as introduction on the new forum
    [1:30:14 AM] Shiloh: It is THAT important, Juju
    [1:30:25 AM] Allisiam: what shall i title it?
    [1:31:19 AM] Shiloh: It tells the real story of what God is and the Goddess, cosmic parenthoods and what Jesus and Jesusina really represent as the Right-Male and Left-Female Christening.

    Allisiam wrote:
    [3/17/2014 11:43:37 PM -8UCT] Shiloh: [Monday, March 17, 2014 10 AM] Allisiam:

    <<< Cambridge, MA -

    Almost 14 billion years ago, the universe we inhabit burst into existence in an extraordinary event that initiated the Big Bang. In the first fleeting fraction of a second, the universe expanded exponentially, stretching far beyond the view of our best telescopes. All this, of course, was just theory.
    Researchers from the BICEP2 collaboration today announced the first direct evidence for this cosmic inflation. Their data also represent the first images of gravitational waves, or ripples in space-time. These waves have been described as the "first tremors of the Big Bang." Finally, the data confirm a deep connection between quantum mechanics and general relativity.
    "Detecting this signal is one of the most important goals in cosmology today. A lot of work by a lot of people has led up to this point," said John Kovac (Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics), leader of the BICEP2 collaboration.



    Cosmic News: Astronomers Find the Twisted Fingerprints of Inflation in the Background Glow of the Universe

    bicep_polarization..CROP.original-original.
    The imprint of the Big Bang: B-mode polarization (the swirls) of light coming the first fraction of a second after the birth of the Universe itself.
    Photo by BICEP2 Collaboration​

    This is big news: Astronomers have announced that they have seen, for the first time, direct evidence of “inflation” in the extremely early Universe, unlocking an entire chapter in the history of the cosmos. It also ties together relativity and quantum mechanics in a deep and profound way, which has never been done before.
    phil_plait-authorbio. Phil Plait
    Phil Plait writes Slate’s Bad Astronomy blog and is an astronomer, public speaker, science evangelizer, and author of Death from the Skies! Follow him on Twitter.

    This news is very important and very interesting. However, it’s also very esoteric—probably the most layered and complex announcement I’ve ever written about. It’s not like the Higgs boson, which could at least be summed up in a sentence or two. But this new work unveils a critical point in the history of the Universe and has profound implications for physics.
    I’ll note that in preparation for this announcement, Sky and Telescope put up a nice overview, as did the Guardian. My friend, the cosmologist Sean Carroll, has a fantastic writeup about it. It starts off semi-technical and becomes very technical in the second half, so be ye fairly warned, says I. He has a follow-up post with more details as well.

    So what’s going on?


    And Leon’s Getting LARGER

    We know the Universe is expanding; everywhere we look, it appears that galaxies are rushing away from us. If we run the clock backwards, this means the Universe was smaller in the past and at some point must have had (nearly) zero volume. This point in time is commonly referred to as the Big Bang, when the expansion of the Universe started. Here we are, 13.82 billion years later.
    But a lot happened in the intervening time, and a lot of it happened at a teeny tiny fraction of a second after the First Moment. One of these things was inflation.

    Inflation is a bit of a mind-bender, I’ll admit. It started just about 10-35 or so seconds after the bang. To give you a better idea of how short a time interval that is, we’re talking 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds! And it only lasted until about 10-32 or so seconds later, so it was incredibly brief by human standards. But in such fleeting moments are Universes forged.
    During that period, for reasons that are still not clear, the Universe underwent a kind of hyperexpansion. Instead of simply cruising along, getting bigger with time as it does now, the expansion accelerated. Hugely. Hugely hugely. Some models show it increased in size by a factor of 1050 (some say even more)—that’s 10 trillion trillion trillion trillion times bigger, all in a time frame so small that analogies fail me.
    Like I said, inflation is a mind-bender.

    Why Inflation?

    The reason we think this happened is that the Universe appears very smooth. You’d expect it to be very lumpy, with some parts packed tightly with matter and energy, while other parts would be empty. But when we look at the distant and ancient Universe on really big scales, we see it’s incredibly smooth. Telescopes looking back into the deep Universe can examine the leftover heat from the birth of the Universe, and measure how bumpy it is. Amazingly, it’s smooth to one part in about 100,000 (I explain this in more detail in an earlier post). Inflation solves this problem: The Universe started out lumpy, but during the period of hyperexpansion all the lumpiness got smoothed out. It’s like having a wrinkly sheet, then pulling on it from all sides. The wrinkles vanish.
    Not only that, but inflation solves a problem about the geometry, the shape of the Universe. I won’t go into detail here; you can read more about it if you like. The point is, astronomers dreamed up this idea of inflation to explain some weird stuff we saw about the Universe, and it did a pretty good job. It’s held up over the years.
    But all that was indirect evidence for it. Scientists prefer direct evidence, and we don’t have any for inflation.


    bicep2_observatory..CROP.original-original.
    Observing the frigid depths of the Universe from the frigid depths of Earth: the BICEP2 facility in Antarctica.
    Photo by NSF/Harvard CMB group


    Ripples in the Space-Time Continuum

    Until now.
    That’s what these new results show.
    Inflationary models predict that other marks were left on the Universe, and one of these is that as the Universe underwent rapid expansion, it would create ripples in the fabric of space-time called gravitational waves. These are literally small expansions and contractions of space itself, like a wave traveling down a Slinky. We know these exist—we see their effects in astronomy, and two astronomers won a Nobel Prize in 1993 for finding an example of gravitational waves—but seeing them coming from the inflationary period of the Universe is incredibly difficult.

    We don’t see the waves themselves, but we can detect the effect they had on light coming from the early Universe. The waves would polarize the light, in a sense aligning the waves of light in certain ways. There are many different ways light can be polarized, but gravitational waves left over from inflation would do so in a very specific way (called B mode polarization, which twists and curls the direction of the polarization; see the image at the top of this post). Finding this kind of polarization in the light leftover from the fires of the Big Bang would be clear evidence of gravitational waves… and it was precisely this type of polarization that was finally detected by a telescope called BICEP2 (Background Imaging of Cosmic Extragalactic Polarization), located in Antarctica.

    Still with me?
    I know, this seems all very distant and removed from our daily lives, but in fact this is a very big deal indeed. Until now, inflation was a great idea—a critical one to understand the evolution of the Universe from the very first moment after its birth to the huge structures and details we see today—with no direct evidence. Now we have direct evidence.


    planck_cmb_590..CROP.original-original.
    The Cosmic Microwave Background, the leftover glow from the first moment of the cosmos. The red and blue patches represent fluctuations in the smoothness of the light of only one part in 100,000. Click to explainanate.
    Photo by ESA–Planck Collaboration

    Filling in the Blanks

    Up until now this was all like trying to write a history book about the United States and talking about the Civil War without ever knowing exactly what happened at the time … and then finding photos and diaries and battlefields. This inflation-spawned gravitational-wave-induced B-mode polarized light is like having the words appear on what were before blank pages in a chapter about the Universe itself.
    This light is showing us what happened in the tiniest fraction of a second after the birth of our cosmos.
    This is crucial.
    There are many different physical models of how inflation might have worked, and observations like this will be able to help us figure out which ones work, which ones don’t, and which ones might need tweaking. The strength of the gravitational waves was stronger than predicted by models, for example, so you know a lot of cosmologists are right now standing in front of blackboards, hunched over papers, or sitting back in their chairs with their hands interlocked behind their heads, puzzling over what variables, what parameters, what equations must be poked at to reproduce these new observations.
    Inflation was a time of a huge phase change in the Universe. Finding direct evidence for it will trigger a similar phase change in the way we understand it.

    I mentioned the Higgs boson earlier; that beast is the linchpin in modern particle physics, and finding evidence of it was a very big deal. This discovery of evidence for gravitational waves from inflation is a similarly important event in the field of cosmology. If the findings stand up, I imagine there might be a Nobel Prize in store for someone (or someones).
    But what does this meant to you? Well, that’s up to you, of course. Most of us can live our daily lives without worrying overly much about gravitational waves, subatomic particles, or what the Universe was like in the tiniest sliver of the first moment of its existence.

    But think about that: We can understand what the Universe was like in the tiniest sliver of the first moment of its existence! These aren’t wild guesses, or just-so stories, or fanciful myths. This work is the result of an intense amount of research, the application of math, science, physics, and technology over hundreds of years, the painstaking acquisition of knowledge that must withstand the fires of scientific scrutiny and skepticism to survive. And so far, they have.
    There are practical concerns here as well. Inflation is based on principles of quantum mechanics, while gravitational waves are the purview of relativity. QM has brought us computers, solar power, atomic energy—a huge amount of modern tech. Relativity is critical in many aspects of our lives as well, including GPS and also nuclear power. In the past these two concepts haven’t played well together, but now we have a direct and profound connection between them. This result is new, and we have a long, long way to go to understand it better. There’s no way to know what will result from this. Yet. But whenever we open up new fields of science, all sorts of interesting things follow. Bet on it.

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    And a final note. I am not a cosmologist; I am an astronomer. But I’m also a human, and when I look out into the dark sky at night or gaze at a gorgeous image from a telescope, I wonder how this all came to be, why things are the way they are, and how they happened to shape themselves into the Universe we see today. I bet you’ve wondered about them too.
    These questions have been asked since we’ve been able to ask questions. Science is now answering them.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/03/17/evidence_of_inflation_astronomers_detect_gravitational_waves_from_the_early.html




    [3/17/2014 11:44:03 PM] Shiloh: People have no idea really as how important and mindboggling this discovery is
    [3/17/2014 11:44:20 PM] Shiloh: And it is a real paradigm shifting discovery
    [3/17/2014 11:44:33 PM] Allisiam: yeah i thought you would like this
    [3/17/2014 11:45:05 PM] Shiloh: I saw it on late news here and thought how appropriate to your message, where the 'birth of gravity' is mentioned
    [3/17/2014 11:45:37 PM] Shiloh: Now Susan posted on the 'stretchmarks' of the birth of the 'new world'
    [3/17/2014 11:45:55 PM] Allisiam: yeah it would be a good addition but i figured you might want to add the scientific significance since this is your area of expertise
    [3/17/2014 11:46:30 PM] Shiloh: See on March 25th a new universe multidimensional will be born still encompassing the lower dimensional spacetime matrix active until that nexus point
    [3/17/2014 11:46:44 PM] Shiloh: Lol of course, we add this to your message
    [3/17/2014 11:46:52 PM] Shiloh: It is from the TwinLogos
    [3/17/2014 11:47:47 PM] Shiloh: It 'proves' Einstein's Relativity about the existence of gravitational waves
    [3/17/2014 11:48:06 PM] Allisiam: yes it is exciting news for sure
    [3/17/2014 11:48:24 PM] Shiloh: It 'proves' string theory in its prediction of the spin 2 graviton being the gauge interaction transmitting Goldstone Boson
    [3/17/2014 11:48:32 PM] Allisiam: my jaw dropped reading it because i knew the implications
    [3/17/2014 11:49:29 PM] Shiloh: It justifies the scientific exploration of the Ng-Van Dam scales at the source resonance wavelength spectra and the construction of the gravitational wave detectors like LIGO and LISA
    [3/17/2014 11:50:12 PM] Shiloh: And it shoots all those 'anti Big Bang' theories of the quack scientists and Nabs pretenders out of the water
    [3/17/2014 11:50:22 PM] Allisiam: yep
    [3/17/2014 11:50:50 PM] Shiloh: Space and Time were created and your message shows this from the scriptural code perspective
    [3/17/2014 11:51:21 PM] Shiloh: There was a beginning of space and time in all physicality relative cosmologies
    [3/17/2014 11:52:10 PM] Shiloh: But you are required to at least understand some basic scientific principles to translate the scriptural genesis into a modern scientific theory of course
    [3/17/2014 11:52:44 PM] Shiloh: And folks do NOT have the ears to hear and listen, neither do they have eyes to see past their old human vanities and arrogances
    [3/17/2014 11:53:23 PM] Allisiam: no, too busy competing with each other to agree on anything
    [3/17/2014 11:53:45 PM] Allisiam: nit picking
    [3/17/2014 11:54:18 PM] Shiloh: Your message is a kindergarten expose of the scripture codes into this scientific understanding, but as you know, besides Brook, who does carry some nous of science; it is mainly all TLTR etc and listening for hours to crackpots like you know who are preferable
    [3/17/2014 11:55:23 PM] Shiloh: Add this part please to your post, as I am very busy with the new forum
    [3/17/2014 11:55:32 PM] Shiloh: We can edit and fine tune later
    [3/17/2014 11:55:58 PM] Allisiam: sure, how goes the new forum transfer?
    [3/17/2014 11:56:01 PM] Shiloh: This is Susans' so appropriate comment on the 'birthmarks'
    [3/17/2014 11:56:25 PM] Shiloh:

    [Monday, March 17, 2014 4 PM] susan lynne schwenger:

    <<< So this happened today in the world of science:

    http://j.mp/PJPSei.

    The universe at 10-35 seconds old has revealed the incredible inflation and the "stretch marks" of gravitational waves that resulted. It also opens up new prospects into Grand Unification Theory and the Multiverse theory.


    A New Window On The Big Bang Has Been Opened

    by Adam Frank
    March 17, 201412:33 PM
    Correction March 17, 2014
    A previous version of this post incorrectly referred to a decimal point with 35 zeros after it. The correct number of zeros is 34.

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    The telescope at twilight, which occurs only twice a year at the South Pole.
    Steffen Richter/Harvard University​

    It's not every day that a new window on the birth of the universe is thrown open. It's not every day that human beings get the chance to leap into the void and have their conceptions of space and time stretched to the limits. It's not every day that we see the wildest dreams of scientists realized, written into the fabric of space and time and light.
    Today appears to be one of those days.
    The Big Bang has been the dominant theory explaining the history of the universe for more than a half-century. But puzzles inherent in the idea (and in the data) led to a major addition to the theory in the 1980s: inflationary cosmology. Since then inflation, as it is called, has been a sometimes contentious but stalwart pillar of our cosmic understanding. To get inflation on solid scientific ground however meant finding ways to see farther back in time than ever before.
    And that is what has been announced today.
    To understand the importance of today's discovery (Nobel worthy?) you are going to have to think small ... very, very small. You must wrap your mind around the most tiny, itsy-bitsy, sliver-o-licious, hyper-minuscule fraction of a second you have ever considered in your whole life.
    Try saying this out loud: One hundred million, billion, billion, billion-th of a second after the moment of creation.
    That's what we are talking about. That's what the kind folks at BICEP2 may have given us (it will need to be confirmed, of course).
    It is an indirect view of the universe at approximately one hundred million, billion, billion, billion-th of a second after it was born. Written mathematically, that is 10-35 of a second or a decimal point with 34 zeros after it, which looks like this:
    T = 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001 second
    For comparison, when it you mistakenly grab a hot tea kettle it takes a full 0.01 second for the electrical signal screaming "DROP IT!" to run from your hand to your brain.
    We are talking about a very, very, very young universe.
    Which finally brings us back to the importance of today's monumental discovery. In the 1980s, Big Bang theory got a major upgrade with the addition of inflation. Back then paradoxes and puzzles kept popping up which threatened to topple the Big Bang. Scientists like Alan Guth realized that, in order to make the idea work, there must have been a brief moment very early in cosmic history when a little sliver of post-Big Bang space-time began expanding much faster than its surroundings. Like an inflating balloon blown up by a high-powered compressor, this tiny "pocket" of space-time stretched very, very quickly to become our entire observable universe.
    But almost as rapidly as it began, this period of inflation ended and left us with what we have now: the leisurely expansion we see today. In spite of its brevity, this brief period of Inflation was all-important. It was inflation that set us on the trajectory for everything that has happened afterward: galaxies, stars, planets and us.


    history-of-the-universe-bicep2_custom-df63864ad6632bd963d61eed8e3e29f81c7ff9ed-s40-c85.

    BICEP2

    The bottom part of this illustration shows the scale of the universe versus time. Specific events are shown such as the formation of neutral Hydrogen at 380,000 years after the big bang. Prior to this time, the constant interaction between matter (electrons) and light (photons) made the universe opaque.

    But inflation was a contentious idea from start. No one had a firm handle on what the universe was like at such a ridiculously early point in time. The densities and temperatures of cosmic matter were so high that its physics could only be drawn in outlines. While inflation cured many problems for cosmologists, it seemed to lots of researchers like wishful thinking written in advanced math.

    Where was the proof?
    Over the last few decades a slim kind of proof for inflation arrived via tiny bumps and lumps in the ancient cosmic gas that can be directly observed through what's called the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) radiation. The CMB is made of fossil photons left over from the period just 300,000 years after the Big Bang. Lumps and bumps in the density of gas can be traced all the way back to quantum mechanical burps that occurred during inflation. But there are many versions of inflation theory and the proof that came from the density wiggles did not tell us which version was correct or provide many details about the early, early universe. In other words the density wiggles were a blunt instrument.
    Space-time wiggles, though, are another story entirely.
    The violence of the early universe was so extreme that it would leave space-time itself ringing like a bell. Almost as soon as inflation was proposed some scientists predicted that it would leave a "gravity wave" signature.
    Ripples in the fabric of space-time are an essential prediction of Einstein's theory of relativity. While we have never captured a gravity wave directly, we already have indirect proof of their existence by watching how pairs of orbiting pulsars (dead hyper-dense stars) spiral around each other.
    Thus more than two decades ago physicists were predicting the existence of a gravity wave signature for the inflationary epoch. Even more important, by looking at which gravity waves got the most energy scientists could cut through different versions of inflation theory. They could even tell if inflation itself was entirely wrong since there are alternative models for the early universe that don't involve inflation and make different predictions for the gravity wave spectrum.
    So gravity waves are the key. If we could see them (directly or indirectly, as BICEP has done) they would represent a way to distinguish between different models for the early universe. And comparing data with models — that is what science is all about, after all.
    Even on its own, finding new evidence for Einstein's much-sought-after gravity waves is a major achievement. But finding evidence for them from the early universe means we have a new tool for exploring the most extreme, mind-blowing event that ever occurred: the birth of everything. Today it seems that evidence may have been found.

    [3/17/2014 11:57:14 PM -8UCT] Shiloh: What they did, was to 'prove' the Inflation model in its basic assumption, presumptions and prerequisites to manifest a spacetime as we can measure today
    [3/17/2014 11:58:06 PM] Shiloh: Thuban has detailed this in countless posts, like for example the Weyl hypothesis of Roger Penrose and the Maldacena Klein-Kaluza holographic models
    [3/17/2014 11:58:26 PM] Shiloh: Now just look how a baby is born
    [3/17/2014 11:58:50 PM] Shiloh: It is inside the mother's womb and so in a sort of 'inner world or timespace'
    [3/17/2014 11:59:14 PM] Shiloh: This is why Jesus says, you must be born again to enter the kingdom of the father
    [12:00:17 AM - Tuesday, March 18th, 2014 -8UCT] Shiloh: What this means in quantum mechanical terms now described in membrane theory; is that the lower 1-4D spacetime CAN be born into a higher say 10-13D-spacetime
    [12:00:30 AM] Shiloh: And from March 25th, this will be the case
    [12:00:51 AM] Allisiam: the street will be built connecting the dimensions
    [12:00:59 AM] Shiloh: This does NOT mean that there is an obvious change in the way people perceive the 'New World'
    [12:01:55 AM] Shiloh: But the real ufos will be able to be rather more physicalised
    [12:02:21 AM] Shiloh: And of course it will be like there is 'added space' to what is measured and perceived
    [12:02:38 AM] Shiloh: The Mirror is like the umbilical cord see?
    [12:02:54 AM] Allisiam: hmm never thought of it like that but that makes sense
    [12:02:54 AM] Shiloh: It will be the street connecting the dimensions indeed
    [12:04:08 AM] Shiloh: If you look closely at the published chart and the daycount, you will see that the time of this 'discovery' coincides with the 'eating of 3 horns and ribs' by another horn (or king of the apocalypse)
    [12:04:35 AM] Shiloh: This is why the code speaks of 7 heads and 10 horns and not 10 heads for 10 horns
    [12:05:05 AM] Shiloh: Anyhow I will work on the science a little more to embellish the announcement
    [12:05:21 AM] Shiloh: But I am busy now to create the new Cosmogenesis forum

    And you might recall that the 5th class of superstring, which has the 'fancy name' heterotic HE[8x8] and which Thuban terms the Weyl string, defines the point in time the Inflation Epoch phase transited into the classical thermodynamic Big Bang of the spacetime relativistic Einstein-Newton universe of the nucleosynthesis aka the biochemical physical creation
    Now the superstring classes found their energy-scale transitions in the 5th class and the wavelength of this becomes the LIGO-LISA scale at the 10-22 meter scale, which translates in the de Broglie wavematter formulation into 3.33..x10-31 seconds. And this of course is somewhat neglectfully identified as the End of the Inflationary string epoch, which actually defines the Big Bang model they have now validated, but as a consequence of a cosmology independent of the inertia mass parameter.
    They have the temperature-kinematical cosmology correct, but have messed the displacement scales, even in the articles above, because the Big Bang of the matter based universe FOLLOWED and did not PRECEED the inflationary de Broglian matter wave transition.
    And so the universe is older than this present model (at 19.11 Gyears with a 16.9 Gyear node) with the 10D expansion forming a lower dimensional seed for its 10-11-12-13 dimensional progenitor of the inflation.
    So in simple terms one can stipulate two Big Bangs of the Creation mechanics, the first actually defining a temperature scale NOT based on the statistical distribution of Maxwellian or Fermi-Dirac statistics, but defined in say primordial algorithms of a world or cosmos which subsequently manifests the stochastic spacetime parameters of those statistical parameters in the definition of Temperature rooted in the Stefan-Boltzmann law E=kT and then causative for the Planck and Einstein laws E=hf and E=mc2 to become manifestable in their famous expressions for the transformation of energy into various forms applicable in the spacetime metrics so created from the abstract cosmic algorithms and 'computer programs from the 'cosmic designer' or TwinLogos.
    The one understood by the mainstream pundits is the second one, occurring just over 10-32 seconds AFTER the first one at the Planck time of about 10-43 seconds.


    So called disclosure from the Far Sight Institute as posted and shared by Courtney Brown on FB.
    https://www.facebook.com/courtney.brown.7568596?fref=ts



    3562770023. 232749. 139717.


    Ripples in space-time detected, astronomers say
    March 17, 2014
    Courtesy of the Harvard-Smithsonian
    Center for Astrophysics
    and World Science staff


    Astronomers say they have detected “ripples” in space and time caused by a process in which our universe expanded out of control during its first fleeting fraction of a second.

    The process is said to have begun almost 14 billion years ago during the Big Bang, an explosive event that gave birth to the universe. In an unimaginably small amount of time, the theory goes, the universe stretched to be far bigger than what our best telescopes would be able to see.

    This version of the Big Bang theory is known as “inflation.”

    Scientists from a research collaboration called BICEP2 announced on Monday what they called the first direct evidence for this cosmic inflation. Their data also represent the first images of gravitational waves, or ripples in space-time. These waves have been described as the “first tremors of the Big Bang.”

    Finally, they said, the data confirm a deep connection between quantum mechanics, the prevailing theory that describes the realm of subatomic particles, and general relativity, which describes events on cosmic scales.
    “Detecting this signal is one of the most important goals in cosmology today. A lot of work by a lot of people has led up to this point,” said John Kovac of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, leader of the BICEP2 collaboration.
    The findings came from observations by the BICEP2 telescope of the cosmic microwave background—a faint glow left over from the Big Bang. Tiny fluctuations in this afterglow provide clues to conditions in the early universe. For example, small differences in temperature across the sky show where parts of the universe had thicker consistency, material that would later condense into galaxies.

    The cosmic microwave background is a form of light, and light can be “polarized,” meaning many waves vibrate in similar directions. This can occur after light scatters off atoms or other particles; on Earth, sunlight becomes polarized after hitting the atmosphere.
    “Our team hunted for a special type of polarization called ‘B-modes,’ which represents a twisting or ‘curl’ pattern in the polarized orientations,” said study co-leader Jamie Bock of the California Institute of Technology.
    Gravitational waves squeeze space as they travel, and this squeezing produces a distinct pattern in the cosmic microwave background, the scientists explained. Gravitational waves have a “handedness,” much like light waves, and can have left- and right-handed polarizations.


    CMBpolarization.

    The B-mode or "twisty" pattern seen in the cosmic background light. The lines show the polarization strength and orientation at different spots on the sky. The red and blue shading shows the degree of clockwise and anti-clockwise twisting of this B-mode pattern. (Courtesy BICEP2 Collaboration

    “The swirly B-mode pattern is a unique signature of gravitational waves because of their handedness. This is the first direct image of gravitational waves across the primordial sky,” said co-leader Chao-Lin Kuo of Stanford University in California.
    The team examined spatial scales on the sky spanning about one to five degrees, two to ten times the width of the full Moon. To do this, they traveled to the South Pole, where the views are clearer, and said they were surprised to detect a B-mode polarization signal considerably stronger than many expected. “This has been like looking for a needle in a haystack, but instead we found a crowbar,” said co-leader Clem Pryke of the University of Minnesota.


    http://www.world-science.net/othernews/140317_inflation.htm
     
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    empty. Re: Operation Scrambleweb

    empty. Brook on Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:16 am

    Good Morning Raven and Tony.

    The first post in Theater of the Parallel Universe speaks to perceptual data. What I called the 180 turnaround is nothing more than
    "Degreed Perception".

    That video from the Far Sight Institute is a sales job, something I know a great deal about. To sell a video to support the Institute.

    Are the perceptions wrong? Only time will tell.

    One example:
    How many of the remote viewers before doing the "views" already had heard mention of "floating blocks" which has been around for YEARS!

    Field of vision is around 60% for the human eye. What is the field of vision for the Minds Eye? It's the remaining "peripheral data" in the view that is in question and possibly missed due to the degrees of perception of the viewer himself? Or is it plugged in due to knowledge which was derived at some point in time before the actual view description?

    I've proven this to myself in the Missed data to which I've been subject to during such "views". If you have NO KNOWLEDGE of the peripheral data it comes out in what you DO recognize in perceived data.

    What do we perceive? What we know? What about the peripheral data?

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    Just my two cents. Have a great day!

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    empty. Re: Operation Scrambleweb

    empty. shiloh on Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:13 am
    Nice afternoon to you Brook de Rivers of no Returns!




    Your description regarding perceptual data is rather appropriate and encompasses a far greater context than that of some specialised expression in the human lexiconata, mainstream or otherwise.
    The individual perceptions of whatever nature, are indeed native to the experiencer and so remain valid and 'proper' relative to the individual perceiver.
    The problems arise when the native perception then interacts with the individualized impressions of like data receivers and information processors. This, by nature and common cosmic law will then create a 'shared awareness information data base', in whom all such perceivers participate and contribute and again by natural jurisprudence and not the self defined legislature of the contributors. The disharmonies and 'wars of the minds and memeplexes' then eventuate in the information carriers attempting to expand their own worldviews and self-souvereign perceptions of their unique individuality upon the cosmic matrix into which they all are by nature embedded. So instead of seeking the harmonisation and natural adaptation within its 'consciousness parent', they rebel against it from their, by nature limited spacial awareness, defined in their individualized environments and 'familial interactions'.

    The most important basis for any such 'shared awareness' to become affiliated and incorporated in a necessary 'groupmind' or ''Morphogentic Resonance Field" say as exemplified in the video below; then becomes a shared ability to Understand and decode the information, received by the sensory apparatus of the data collectors. All of this of course relates to the label of 'Consciousness' and a Consciousness, which can remain restricted and limited as to say a crystalline, or plant related or animal associated and human genetic awareness of the necessarily embedded 'Cosmic selfhood' shared by all sentient lifeforms defined and characterised by their spacial occupancy of forms and embodiments.
    To attain a expanded and less limited form of awareness then requires a closer evolvement of the limited 'awareness perceptions' towards its cosmic envelope and encompassment.
    And as can be seen in the Sheldrake video below, should the magnetic component of the 'electromagnetic morphic field' dominate its electric component, so called 'animal instinct' becomes a predominant form of cosmic intelligence, which renders the actual creation of resonance fields of universal harmony much more easy attainable than the electropole dominance over the magnetopolar field vectors of this same 'Unified Field' of the Natural Law of the Cosmic Noosphere of the ubiquitous and all encompassing 'Cosmic Awaress TimeSpace Matrix'.
    The magnetopolar 'intelligence' so accentuates the 'collective consciousness and sentience' whilst the electropolar 'intelligence' prefers the individuality, often associated with an egocentricity, which is nevertheless a profound component of the synthesis between the electric and magnetic parts of the cosmic purpose and directive. The magnetopolar sentience can also be described in a quantum dualism inherent in the 'Unified Field of Cosmic Consciousness', but which dominates the 'Wave Nature' of that dualism, whilst the electropolar sentience favours its 'Particular Expression' of the individual uniqueness, say as can be ascertained in the 'Sui Generis' of a snowflake or individualised structural or bodyform genetic code expressions.

    The key to improve and increase the subspace plenums of group consciousness then becomes the self- and mutual cross couplings between the electric and magnetic parts of that which is often termed as a 'vessel or bodyform of life' or as the 'soul of living things'.
    And this has been a path of experience and research for all data processors and information gatherers for as long as the cosmic sentience first became self-aware so 2,200 million years ago within the overall cosmic sense of its application and stature.






    And a special PRESENT from the SERPENT, also embedded in the Realms of the Kaveh de Arabica ben Robusta

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    shenandoah shilohaplace on March 18th, 2014 - Day of the 7th Head of the Lion-Beast-Eagle de Danny

    Quo Vadis, Maria Infinity?
    rose-279x300.




    Beauty so ancient and so new, late have I loved you!
    Lo, you were within, but I outside, seeking there for you, and upon the shapely things you have made I rushed headlong I, misshapen.
    You were with me, but I was not with you.
    They held me back far from you, those things which would have no being, were they not in you.

    You called, shouted, broke through my deafness; you flared, blazed, banished my blindness; you lavished your fragrance,
    I gasped; and now I pant for you; I tasted you, and now I hunger and thirst;
    you touched me, and I burned for your peace.
    Is not human life on earth a time of testing?


    St Augustine of Hippo, Confessions




    melissa.
    From March 10, 2014
    Regarding March 9, 2014
    um

    the bread broken, i ate.
    the life of the fruit, i drank.
    we sang our devotion
    and brought forth our emotions
    our tears cleared the blocks
    freeing old habits and wayward thoughts
    brought to acceptance of
    what judgement we had bought
    in a rare chance, souls come to the front
    hearts bared with minds finally quiet
    the divine presence of remembrance
    renders past memories,
    future hopes
    all together in a moment timeless
    his love rendered all one
    the evil lived, then fade,
    unto hades burn,
    purified in flame
    remake for return
    dead alive
    entwined with the lie and the life
    a web of spirit and profane
    the frame is as whatever named
    what am this saying?
    what ah, is this stating?
    crazy
     
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  10. shiloh za-rah

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    Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Mar 20th

    Dreams and Impressions towards the Logos Fire of March 25th, 2014 in Timespace Compressions

    [15/03/2014 7:21:03 PM] mel: tony
    [15/03/2014 7:21:52 PM] mel: i had dreams this morning
    [15/03/2014 7:22:03 PM] mel: someone sent me messages to look at the song of solomon
    [15/03/2014 7:22:19 PM] mel: ch 8
    [15/03/2014 7:22:53 PM] mel: i fell asleep over and over and that image kept coming to me that someone was sending me verses from that chapter
    [15/03/2014 7:22:56 PM] mel: on my phone
    [15/03/2014 7:23:18 PM] mel: but reading it now the words don't match the verses
    [15/03/2014 7:24:04 PM] mel: but i remember it being song of solomon 8 9 10 11 12
    [15/03/2014 7:24:18 PM] mel: ok ttyl
    [3:24:26 PM-Thursday, Narch 20th, 2014 -+11UCT] mel: tony
    [3:24:35 PM] mel: you were in my dream yesterday
    [3:24:54 PM] mel: they have been vivid lately
    [3:25:59 PM] Shiloh: Mel what do you see clicking this:
    [3:26:19 PM] Shiloh: http://www.cosmosdawn.com
    [3:27:09 PM] mel: it goes to spruz
    [3:27:57 PM] Shiloh: Messed up pages?
    [3:28:05 PM] Shiloh: Or sign in
    [3:28:28 PM] mel: no
    [3:28:45 PM] Shiloh: You can see the forums and all seems ok?
    [3:28:56 PM] mel: i cant see the forums
    [3:29:03 PM] Shiloh: Black screen?
    [3:29:05 PM] mel: its been different for a few days now
    [3:29:08 PM] mel: yesh
    [3:29:12 PM] Shiloh: Ok thanks
    [3:29:38 PM] mel: i figured you wanted people to read what you wanted them to read and others would have to figure out how to get the forum list if they really wanted it
    [3:30:05 PM] Shiloh: Nono this was a big messup
    [3:30:15 PM] Shiloh: There will be a new forum soon
    [3:30:23 PM] mel: ah ok
    [3:31:26 PM] Shiloh: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=cosmosdawn.com&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:eek:fficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&gfe_rd=ctrl&ei=_moqU6_lFOfC8geGq4GYDA&gws_rd=cr
    [3:31:33 PM] Shiloh: What do you get here?
    [3:32:00 PM] Shiloh: Elders of Thuban on top click
    [3:34:27 PM] mel: same cant see forum but its better formatted
    [3:39:21 PM] Sirius 17: because when i type that into firefox it goes directly to that parallels page
    [3:31:09 PM] Shiloh: That is good
    [3:31:18 PM] Sirius 17: cosmosdawn.net works
    [3:31:27 PM] Sirius 17: cosmosdawn.com redirects to spruz
    [3:32:13 PM] Sirius 17: is that something you have to fix with freeyellow?
    [3:36:02 PM] Shiloh: The domain is in transit and I have to adjust 3 sites now
    [3:36:48 PM] Shiloh: I cant change the pointers as the site is on the spruz server see
    [3:37:08 PM] Shiloh: So the traffic must go to this server
    [3:37:17 PM] Sirius 17: well we hope
    [3:37:44 PM] Sirius 17: so no word from spruz yet about fixing the site?
    [3:37:52 PM] Shiloh: If I change the pointer to Nimbus then it goes to cosmosdawn.com at Nimbus
    [3:37:55 PM] Sirius 17: or did you give up trying to communicate with them
    [3:38:09 PM] Shiloh: NImbus is the new domain keeper but it is in transit from freeyellow
    [3:38:22 PM] Shiloh: The site is fixed
    [3:38:31 PM] Sirius 17: it still looks black to me
    [3:39:00 PM] Shiloh: Yes and it is black for me if I url spruz

    [3:42:55 PM] susan lynne schwenger: yes, seems i could sign in
    [3:40:30 PM] susan lynne schwenger: i want to create a NEW eXchange
    [3:42:07 PM] Shiloh: We will have a new xenforo forum
    [3:42:17 PM] Shiloh: State of the art
    [3:42:31 PM] Shiloh: better than old PA bulletv4
    susan lynne schwenger
    [3:43:07 PM] Shiloh: try www.cosmosdawn.com again dear
    [3:43:15 PM] Shiloh: It is working for Raven now
    [3:45:46 PM] Shiloh: We have not lost data, which i was worried about
    [3:44:20 PM] Sirius 17: it will take that long?
    [3:44:28 PM] Shiloh: No
    [3:44:36 PM] Sirius 17: i thought they were transfering the data?
    [3:45:19 PM] Shiloh: Nimbus has a issues with FTP access and i want to keep the threads, but I dont know how this will be done I am trying to use backup modules
    Sirius 17
    [3:48:01 PM] Sirius 17: oh yes i guess your helping them
    [3:46:12 PM] Shiloh: atm they are silent lol
    [3:46:24 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [3:46:37 PM] Shiloh: I hassled spruz for the last 2 days
    [3:46:38 PM] Sirius 17: maybe they didnt realize how huge our library is
    [3:46:44 PM] Shiloh: Nono
    [3:46:48 PM] Shiloh: It is miniscule
    [3:47:02 PM] Shiloh: It is root directory access for migration
    [3:47:12 PM] Sirius 17: oh i see
    [3:47:21 PM] Shiloh: And shared servers dont allow this
    [3:47:35 PM] Sirius 17: well some of the threads are pages long so i thought maybe that would be time consuming
    [3:47:39 PM] Shiloh: We are VPS server now

    [3:57:13 PM] Shiloh: Can you see the site ok now melissa?
    [3:59:38 PM] mel: ok lemme check
    [3:59:56 PM] mel: sorry had to take care of something, in back now
    [4:00:58 PM] Shiloh: Sure sorry to use you like a testing bee
    [4:01:43 PM] mel: lol its ok
    [4:01:49 PM] mel: it works btw
    [4:02:06 PM] Shiloh: Merci Cherie
    [4:02:13 PM] mel: its people helping each other, more or less using
    [4:02:14 PM] mel: heh
    [4:02:44 PM] mel: but yeah. first time ive seen you really in a dream more than a cameo
    [4:03:03 PM] Shiloh: Yes the times are a changing
    [4:03:17 PM] Shiloh: We are cosmic lovers you know lol?
    [4:03:20 PM] mel: yeah
    [4:03:47 PM] Shiloh: March 25th is a cosmic mirror of monumental significance
    [4:03:49 PM] mel: it was not as juicy as would be expected
    [4:03:59 PM] mel: i am waiting for it
    [4:04:15 PM] Shiloh: yes all this will begin to manifest from next week
    [4:04:33 PM] Shiloh: There are many cross core couplings
    [4:05:10 PM] mel: ah.
    [4:05:17 PM] mel: maybe you can help me
    [4:05:46 PM] mel: i felt it good and significant but not sure really entirely what will it reveal itself to be later
    [4:07:08 PM] mel: oh dear some of the context has faded already but i found you in the dark in a neightbors house. i dont know why i was there. but you were curled up and just, saddened
    [4:07:18 PM] mel: i took you into my home.
    [4:07:28 PM] Shiloh: Thank you sweety
    [4:07:44 PM] mel: and it was like a normal day i was running errands and going to the store, whatever
    [4:08:16 PM] mel: but the oddites was i would see....things. normal things but i would touch them and they would
    [4:08:28 PM] mel: be transfigured
    [4:08:48 PM] mel: they were normalplace in the dream but would seem strange irl
    [4:08:50 PM] Shiloh: Yes transfiguration is the key word for this week and the next
    [4:09:07 PM] Shiloh: Look at my last chart
    [4:09:12 PM] mel: things just hovering in the sky. i would percieve them as dimensional entities
    [4:09:31 PM] mel: i would touch them and they would form into shapes, each one getting more complex
    [4:09:39 PM] Shiloh: The book of revelation with the heads and the horns run from March 15th to March 25th
    [4:10:08 PM] mel: i remember circle sphere cube torus pyramid then the octahedron i always see.
    [4:10:31 PM] mel: the final one i had this knowing like it told me the next thing i woukd transfigure
    [4:10:40 PM] mel: would bring fire.
    [4:11:22 PM] mel: i had this feeling just to laugh and laugh and laugh but also at the same time afraid to take that next step afraid of destroying...maybe everything, i dont know.
    [4:11:39 PM] mel: it was two distinct feelings
    [4:12:21 PM] mel: ill go read it now
    [4:19:19 PM] mel: on the front page?
    [4:23:58 PM] Shiloh: Oh no on one of the last posts here or on MOA
    [4:24:26 PM] mel: im reading now.
    [4:24:46 PM] mel: oh and anther thing happened today. someone said something odd
    [4:24:56 PM] mel: he said to me
    [4:25:44 PM] mel: "go forth melissa, amd complete the task God has given you. then return to me for training to complete the purpose God has created you."
    [4:25:59 PM] mel: june 21 was the date he gave
    [4:26:09 PM] mel: it could be coincidence
    [4:26:34 PM] mel: but damnit people just dont say that outright especially if you just met them
    [4:26:58 PM] mel: maybe in thuban lol but even that takes a few talks first lol
    [4:28:05 PM] mel: whats horn of captivity?
    [4:32:56 PM] Shiloh: June 21st is the Solstice dear
    [4:33:17 PM] mel: this fucking, pardon my french
    [4:33:35 PM] mel: i knew it i damn knew today was
    [4:35:12 PM] mel: you know when you can just feel fate just spinning all of what you knew and what you hope and just ack my head has been whirling all day knowing im receiving activstions/signs whatever theyre called
    [4:46:11 PM] mel: but i am curious
    [4:46:32 PM] mel: whats the first heaven of cosmic beingness
    [4:46:48 PM] mel: all those dates
    [5:06:30 PM] mel: i see you're posting
    [5:06:45 PM] mel: ill try again another time then. ttyl
    [5:17:40 PM] Shiloh: The 1st heaven is all about your cosmic ID
    [5:22:06 PM] mel: ok
    [5:24:05 PM] Shiloh: The 7 heads are like kingdoms or archons or principalities
    [5:24:29 PM] Shiloh: And become a cyclic time like a week repeating itself
    [5:24:46 PM] Shiloh: They however also become scientific principles or laws
    [5:25:04 PM] Shiloh: All this is encoded in this chart
    [5:25:19 PM] mel: ok
    [5:25:25 PM] mel: ill read it more closely
    [5:25:27 PM] Shiloh: So principles are like heavens and antiprinciples are like hells
    [5:26:11 PM] Shiloh: The Daniel scripture tell you about the 4 beasts with 7 heads see and the second beast kinda eats three horns
    [5:26:20 PM] Shiloh: This is why there are 10 horns and 7 heads
    [5:27:02 PM] Shiloh: The 11th horn eats all of them and is like the Daath in Kabbalah - a hidden path
    [5:30:39 PM] mel: ok
    [5:31:58 PM] mel: march 9
    [5:34:08 PM] Shiloh: As seen there imaged in March 25th as the preparation of the inner ID to become an outer ID on April 9th
    [5:34:34 PM] Shiloh: All things and all human history collects and compresses in this cosmic mirror
    [5:34:59 PM] Shiloh: All the Past is projected as future from this focus
    [5:35:17 PM] mel: i wrote this march 10 for march 9.
    [5:35:20 PM] mel: um

    the bread broken, i ate.
    the life of the fruit, i drank.
    we sang our devotion
    and brought forth our emotions
    our tears cleared the blocks
    freeing old habits and wayward thoughts
    brought to acceptance of
    what judgement we had bought
    in a rare chance, souls come to the front
    hearts bared with minds finally quiet
    the divine presence of remembrance
    renders past memories,
    future hopes
    all together in a moment timeless
    his love rendered all one
    the evil lived, then fade,
    unto hades burn,
    purified in flame
    remake for return
    dead alive
    entwined with the lie and the life
    a web of spirit and profane
    the frame is as whatever named
    what am this saying?
    what ah, is this stating?
    crazy



    [5:36:46 PM] Shiloh: -15 186 09/91 Mon, 10Mar 2014...1st Heaven of Cosmic Beingness/Identity
    The 'Hour of the Beast' of Revelation in the Beginning of 15=360/24 Days in the Left Mirrors

    [5:36:56 PM] Shiloh: This is the code for March 10th
    [5:37:02 PM] mel: i read that.
    [5:37:26 PM] Shiloh: It begins 21 days of 'cosmic consummation' of the past
    [5:37:43 PM] mel: hmm
    [5:38:13 PM] Shiloh: Make of this what you will. I only know the symbols and how the new cosmic laws come in
    [5:38:22 PM] mel: i do.
    [5:38:40 PM] mel: i knew it was poignant. all these past days. ive just been waiting and just observiing
    [5:38:56 PM] mel: and decided id talk to you when it was right
    [5:39:15 PM] Shiloh: The times are compressing and this began New Years day actually but has many subplots
    [5:39:33 PM] Shiloh: 84 days before and after March 25th
    [5:39:43 PM] Shiloh: 12 weeks
    [5:40:25 PM] Shiloh: Those 169 days are themselves a subset of 401 days and also 1261 days
    [5:41:39 PM] Shiloh: You should publish your poem too
    [5:41:59 PM] Shiloh: As a testimony and record for these times
    [5:42:09 PM] mel: where would you like
    [5:42:20 PM] Shiloh: Operation scambleweb
    [5:42:23 PM] mel: ok
    [5:42:38 PM] Shiloh: Add this convo if you like
    [5:43:28 PM] mel: i posted
    [5:44:00 PM] mel: but i can feel you on when you say time is compressing
    [5:44:40 PM] Shiloh: This is a cosmic event and not some theory of anyone including me
    [5:45:06 PM] mel: i agree with you. everyone feels it
    [5:45:08 PM] mel: if you ask
    [5:45:15 PM] mel: they will admit to it
    [5:45:22 PM] Shiloh: yes in some way or another
    [5:57:08 PM] mel: thanks tony
    [5:57:52 PM] mel: i don't update with you as often but
    [5:58:01 PM] mel: i can tell you everything that you're documenting
    [5:58:05 PM] mel: it is happening.
    [5:58:28 PM] mel: things i see and experience daily, you've written it as it has happened.
    [5:58:39 PM] mel: just wanted to tell you that.
    [6:01:51 PM] Shiloh: Gracias Honeybee - I am just a scribe and messenger with no other claims here
    [6:03:24 PM] Shiloh: But the old 'know it betters' like to 'shoot the messengers' and as is well known throughout the human pathology
    [6:04:01 PM] mel: it is ok.
    [6:04:38 PM] Shiloh: Ok I reply with this context to your poem?
    [6:05:42 PM] Shiloh: Your dreams about fire and transfiguration actually is this 'Logos fire' burning in the GOT
    [6:06:21 PM] Shiloh:

    (10) Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am guarding it until it blazes."

    [6:06:38 PM] Shiloh: This encompasses your dreams here actually
    [6:11:20 PM] mel: no problem
    [6:11:31 PM] mel: yes i was hoping you could put to words the link
    [6:12:16 PM] mel: i saw them but didn't know how to say it
    [6:12:18 PM] mel: the link
    [6:12:24 PM] Shiloh: All Old Eves are also the New Eves, see, but most cant play the parts and prefer to watch as audience to the 'film' being made
    [6:13:06 PM] mel: hey i could see raven for a moment
    [6:13:08 PM] Shiloh: You are doing the ambassador-actress job but there are not that many at this tme
    [6:13:12 PM] mel: but she's gone again
    [6:13:30 PM] Shiloh: From March 25th, many more will receive inspirations to become New Eves
    [6:14:16 PM] Shiloh: Raven has updated contacts or such
    [6:16:29 PM] mel: ah ok
    [6:37:08 PM] mel: what about the song of solomon dreams
    [6:39:09 PM] Shiloh: This is the JCCJ Twinlogos coupling
    [6:39:26 PM] Shiloh: The Black Madonna and the vinyard keeper
    [6:39:30 PM] mel: hmm
    [6:39:42 PM] Shiloh: I added two Melissa pics
    [6:39:47 PM] mel: it was strange. in the end i knew i had ot look at that whole chapter
    [6:40:10 PM] Shiloh: It is very erotic actually with many 'innuendos'
    [6:40:13 PM] mel: but it was like, iin my dream the verses 8,9,10,11,12 said something different.
    [6:41:03 PM] mel: its different from what is really there.
    [6:41:11 PM] mel: and im looking now.
    [6:44:06 PM] mel: lol the nose opens up to the ethmoid bone
    [6:44:26 PM] mel: there are more..many more...gosh what was it specifically
    [6:44:33 PM] mel: is it nerve endings?
    [6:44:52 PM] mel: in that area than the whole body combined...its the place of the sense of smell
    [6:45:02 PM] mel: and smell is linked to memories more than all senses
    [6:45:46 PM] mel: random trivia
    [6:46:41 PM] Shiloh: Yes it is a description of 'cosmic vitruvius(ina)'
    [6:47:12 PM] Shiloh: The male and female coming together
    [6:48:25 PM] Shiloh: The cosmic alchemy or 'universal wedding' we call dragonomy using the JCCJ as its basis and foundation
    [6:48:31 PM] mel: i guess you might appreciate this one then.
    [6:48:38 PM] mel: feb. 21
    [6:48:40 PM] mel:

    superflowers; cause theres no such thing as power
    just to make light
    the invisible tide
    which comes from inside
    reflecting sometimes mind
    some parts of the heart
    can’t tell them apart
    where do i begin
    where do i end?
    which blossoms from my root?
    which are pollen the others send?
    horrible metaphor
    not all thoughts are yours
    be mindful of your meanings
    not all emotions are yours,
    be soulful to your leanings
    wave sync is my trait
    among the garden of flowers
    my emotions dont move throughout my bode
    they explode outward
    and find hearts to call home


    because,
    i take what reverberates
    and it cascades all around me
    and all who are in its current
    reverberate back in harmony
    the discord brought back to sync
    through emotion
    unworded groupthink
    group feel
    towards being healed
    what pain divided
    and self became denied
    the wave fills the chasm
    the sync
    words ever fail me now
    i cant say about
    this gift endowed
    i barely know how
    but it feels like its the beginning
    and also the same being almost complete
    saying things, words, language
    will be obsolete


    its exciting. not. it’s…life. these times.
    [6:48:51 PM] Shiloh: Lol, I have known and commented on the Solomon erotica years ago
    [6:49:28 PM] Shiloh: I will add some ancient post on this to your post dear
    [6:49:40 PM] mel: it didn't ring a bell to me really until lately. i knew it was something to peruse one day

    Song of Songs
    Verse 7:3 (verse 7:2 in the King James Version of The Song of Solomon) of the Biblical Song of Songs may contain a veiled reference to cunnilingus, although many translators render the key term "navel."[7] An alternate translation could read as follows: "Your vulva is a rounded crater, never lacking mixed wine". (Song of Songs 7:2 ???? ??? ???? ?? ???? ????)
    The context, moving up from her sandals to her vulva to her belly to her breasts, however, makes the meaning of "vulva" (Heb. shor), as derived from an Aramaic word meaning "secret place", all but conclusive.[8] In many Christian and Jewish traditions the erotic intimacy between the bride and groom described in the Song of Songs is given spiritual significance.
    The Great Medicine of the Three Mountain Peaks is to be found in the body of the woman and is composed of three juices, or essences: one from the woman's mouth, another from her breasts, and the third, the most powerful, from the Grotto of the White Tiger, which is at the Peak of the Purple Mushroom (the mons veneris).
    Octavio Paz. Conjunctions and Disjunctions. trans. Helen R. Lane. 1975. (London: Wildwood House, 1969) p. 97.​
    DETAIL~1.JPG

    Édouard-Henri Avril's depiction of cunnilingus

    DOUARD~1.JPG

    Édouard-Henri Avril's depiction of fellatio

    13s.

    Édouard-Henri Avril drawing depicting the life of Sappho


    Illustration by Édouard-Henri Avril.


    Genesis.30 - KJV
    14And Reuben went in the days of wheat harvest, and found mandrakes in the field, and brought them unto his mother Leah. Then Rachel said to Leah, Give me, I pray thee, of thy son's mandrakes.
    15And she said unto her, Is it a small matter that thou hast taken my husband? and wouldest thou take away my son's mandrakes also? And Rachel said, Therefore he shall lie with thee to night for thy son's mandrakes.
    16And Jacob came out of the field in the evening, and Leah went out to meet him, and said, Thou must come in unto me; for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night.
    17And God hearkened unto Leah, and she conceived, and bare Jacob the fifth son.
    18And Leah said, God hath given me my hire, because I have given my maiden to my husband: and she called his name Issachar.
    19And Leah conceived again, and bare Jacob the sixth son.
    20And Leah said, God hath endued me with a good dowry; now will my husband dwell with me, because I have born him six sons: and she called his name Zebulun.
    21And afterwards she bare a daughter, and called her name Dinah.


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