Operation Scrambleweb

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  1. shiloh za-rah

    shiloh za-rah Planetary Rebirth

    The Human Race Is Dying: DNA Degeneration Would Eventually Lead To The Total Extinction Of Humanity
    By Michael Snyder, on August 25th, 2013


    The human race is dying. It certainly won’t happen this year or even this decade, but the steady degeneration of human DNA would eventually lead to the total extinction of humanity given enough time. The reason that we are heading toward extinction is the increasing number of mutations that are being passed down from generation to generation. According to Dr. John Sanford of Cornell University, every one of us already carries tens of thousands of harmful mutations, and each of us will pass on approximately 100 new mutations to future generations. Humanity is degenerating at an accelerating pace, and at some point the number of mutations will become so great that we will no longer be able to produce viable offspring. This is not going to happen in the immediate future, but already signs of DNA degeneration are all around us. Despite all of our advanced technology, genetically-related diseases are absolutely exploding. Our bodies are weak and frail, and with each passing generation it is getting even worse.

    Most people don’t understand this. Most average people on the street just assume that the human race will be able to go on indefinitely.

    But the geneticists that carefully study these things understand this stuff. Each generation is successively becoming more “mutant”, and if given a long enough period of time it would mean our end. Dr. Sanford puts it this way…

    “We are a perishing people living in a dying world.”

    In school and in the movies, we are taught that mutants are “cool” and that mutations can be a very good thing. But that simply is not solid science. The following is how Alex Williams describes the incredibly damaging role that mutations play in our biology…

    However, directly contradicting mutation’s central role in life’s diversity, we have seen growing experimental evidence that mutations destroy life. In medical circles, mutations are universally regarded as deleterious. They are a fundamental cause of ageing, cancer and infectious diseases.

    Even among evolutionary apologists who search for examples of mutations that are beneficial, the best they can do is to cite damaging mutations that have beneficial side effects (e.g. sickle-cell trait, a 32-base-pair deletion in a human chromosome that confers HIV resistance to homozygotes and delays AIDS onset in heterozygotes, CCR5–delta32 mutation, animal melanism, and stickleback pelvic spine suppression). Such results are not at all surprising in the light of the discovery that DNA undergoes up to a million damage and repair events per cell per day.

    So no, we are not going to “evolve” into bigger and better creatures. Instead, the human race is steadily breaking down and our time is running out.

    In essence, the blueprint of human life is being systematically destroyed, and there is not a thing we can do to even significantly slow it down.

    The following is from a paper by Gerald H. McKibben and Everett C. McKibben

    Geneticists have long worried about the impact of mutations on the human population, and that at a rate of one deleterious mutation per person per generation, genetic deterioration would result. Earlier reports were based on estimates of mutation rates considerable lower than what we now know to be the case. Findings going back to 2002 show that the human mutation rate is at least 100 mistakes (misspellings) per person per generation. Some scientists believe the rate is closer to 300.

    Even a rate of 100 has profound implications, and the mutation rate is itself increasing. Furthermore, most, if not all, mutations in the human genome must be deleterious. “And nothing can reverse the damage that has been done during our own generation, even if further mutations could be stopped.” (P. 40). It would appear that the process is an irreversible downward spiral that will end in “mutational meltdown”.

    So how long do we have until “mutational meltdown”?

    Well, according to McKibben and McKibben, Dr. Sanford estimates that the human race has a total lifespan of approximately 6,000 years…

    The author cites research showing that the human race is currently degenerating at 1 – 2 % per generation due to accumulation of mutations. At a 1% decline in fitness per generation, there is a sharp reduction in fitness after 300 generations (about 6,000 years). One of the most interesting revelations in Genetic Entropy is Dr. Sanford’s and other workers’ analysis of the Biblical account of life expectancies. In a statistical regression analysis of declining life spans since Noah (lived 950 years), after 32 centuries since Noah the life expectancy has declined to about 70. The remarkable aspect is that this curve, which shows a sharp drop-off after Noah and a more gradual decline about 1,000 years ago, is that it is very similar to theoretical curves presented by other researchers that show genetic degeneration. Either Moses faithfully recorded the events (and ages) recorded in Genesis, or he was a skilled statistician who made up data with a remarkable fit to an exponential curve!

    Other scientists put the lifespan of the human race significantly higher, but without a doubt there is a growing awareness in the scientific community that the human race is slowly heading toward extinction.

    This is how Alex Williams puts it…

    “Like rust eating away the steel in a bridge, mutations are eating away our genomes and there is nothing we can do to stop them.”

    Dr. Sanford makes the same point a little bit more eloquently…

    “The extinction on the human genome appears to be just as certain and deterministic as the extinction of stars, the death of organisms, and the heat death of the universe.”

    For more on this, check out the excerpt from a video interviewwith Dr. Sanford posted below…

    7:00-8:00 Time Marker: "The only hope is Christ!" {JCCJ}​

    So what do you think?
    Is time running out for the human race or do we have plenty of time left?

    Please feel free to share what you think by posting a comment below…

    About the author: Michael T. Snyderis a former Washington D.C. attorney who now publishes The Truth. His new thriller entitled “The Beginning Of The End” is now available on Amazon.com.


    The Essence of Ageing and the Degeneration of the Human Genome

    Thuban Dragonomy of a Dragon Queen Bee


    Finis Hominis Incere Hominidae Draconis Astrum!

    "Humanity has ended, enter the Starhumanity of Dragons!"

    phoenix11. dragonketchup.

    A Pythagorean alphanumeric encoding from the archives of ALEXANDRIA DRACONIS: SPACETIME=MIRROR=SPIRIT=91=Light-Matrix-EMMR

    It synergises the Father's F-Theory of Forethought Understanding with the Mother's M-Theory of Afterthought Knowledge, which might be considered inductive and intuitive.

    A Growing in the Mother's Understanding becomes harmonised in an advance in the Creator Father's Knowledge about things, namely hisher Creation, which is the shehe of the Mother.

    Quantum Relativity links the metrics of Einsteinian Relativity to their original metaphysical cosmogenesis. Theistic- and Spiritual archetypes become a consequence of magnetocharged superbranes as wormhole singularities 'before' spacetime creation as progenitors for inertia.

    LOVE is a VIBRATORY RESONANCE described in a GAUGE SOURCESINK-PHOTON in its supersymmetric selfcoupling under modular duality and which can be defined in its own resonance eigenstate as:

    E*=kT*=hf*=hc/λ*=m*c2=1/e* for Unity E*e*=1 and its coupling parameters.

    Energy*=Heterotic Supermembrane HE(8x8)=EpsEss

    This is the selfstate for a love vibratory resonance, which created the universe!

    A new scientific paradigm (OmniScience) so allows a synergy between Modern Physics, Cosmology, the natural sciences and worldwide religions in the decipherment of timeless historic encodements of scrolls of antiquity, such as the 'Dead Sea Scrolls', the Nag Hammadi Documents and Kabbalistic Torah.


    Emeth141, Friday, September 6th, 2013



    Tony Bermanseder



    12 days ago

    Not sure what kind of Christian the author is, but as with the article on the Sun's demise, this doesn't really matter as God's plan for the future is already laid out in Scripture. In this regard, it is infinitely better to be concerned with your eternal destiny...


    Hammerstrike 11Hotel

    You are an "atheist" troll.


    Jt 11Hotel

    And there you go ahead and hit the nail on the head as to my biggest problem with religion. Here you are, facing the potential EXTINCTION OF HUMANITY, and you say "Well, it doesn't matter, surely it's just part of God's plan". Ever think God's plan might be for us to get up off our ass and do something about it, and stop being dogmatic good for nothing whiners who do nothing but complain about how other people live their life?


    Not sure what kind of Christian the author is, but as with the article on the Sun's demise, this doesn't really matter as God's plan for the future is already laid out in Scripture. In this regard, it is infinitely better to be concerned with your eternal destiny...



    Could it be all the GMOs in the food???


    Hammerstrike Seaweed222

    Could it be that natural selection can only be delayed?



    The Second Coming will most likely happen before any extinction of humanity. And upon resurrection, every last one of these "mutations" will disappear from everyone.


    William B Stoecker

    If these researchers are correct, this is yet more evidence for intelligent design. If God did not create new species regularly all life would have died out long ago. Given the evidence for the extreme antiquity of Mankind, He may have recreated us over and over,




    Huh, what are the other races?

    Natural selection was never stopped, only delayed. Thus, genetical engineering, which some folks deems to be so horrible, is a necessity, otherwise the human specie would go extinct.




    My theory is that there are now 7 billion human beings on this planet give or take a little. That means there are 7 billion different combinations of human being on the planet. Each generation has a bell curve involved. Yes there are 10% or more really defective human bodies and maybe 10% really good perfect bodies on the planet. The rest are in between and average a number of defects.
    In the 90s we had a dramatic break through in the science of why we age. The mad scientists cloned a sheep from a six-year old female sheep. It was a direct duplicate of the programmed material from the mother. Only something went wrong. The sheep aged rapidly until it reached the mother's age. Then it aged normally.
    What they found out from this is we lose data every time we regenerate a cell. We start out at conception with an enormous amount of data. By the time we are born we have lost quite a bit of it. Then we proceed to lose until we die of old age. Usually after about 50 generations or more of reproductions of our cells. As we lose this material the defects from this lost data cause us to get all kinds of fatal illnesses.
    My own theory is the Earth before the flood had a huge layer of atmosphere that prevented us from absorbing radiation at the rate it did after the flood. Age resembles radiation poisoning. After the flood the atmosphere was much thinner. It is still reducing its ability to protect us from radiation and we show it by aging faster.

    The other guess is that the "gods" that created mankind figured out we seem to reproduce like rabbits. With a long lifespan we populated the planet too fast. So they had to slow it down. That those "gods" tried to eliminate the human species with the flood shows how much they were like their creation. Genocide was in their vocabulary. I feel God intervened and that is the only reason we are here. But I think he chose survivors that were genetically much shorter lived than the original model.
    Cancer cells are an accident of this degeneration. Though cancers do not age. They do not lose data when they generate new cells. So cultured cells of cancer will live many times longer than normal cells.
    We are programmed to die from the time we are conceived. The question is can we breed for longevity as Robert Heinlein suggested in his science fiction series on long lived families?
    If we combine science research, genetics, the right foods, and a properly shielded environment, I think we could double or even triple the average age of a human being.
    But then we would have to resolve our social problems and provide a means for all of us to survive. We would have to limit our growth as a species on this planet.
    Basically we would have to follow the principles laid down by Jesus and learn to live together in peace. It would take all of us to resolve the problems because no one section of humanity has all the answers. That means figuring out how to live with one another without war and fighting.

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      Colin DJohn1

      Though I am not able to say whether or not there was a global flood, I do know that approximately 70,000 years ago that there was a supervolcano which brought about a great die-off of humans.




    Why not try quoting real scientists instead of rationalizing bullshitters? Oh right, it would make you look foolish.

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      Matt collardgreen
      Hi Collardgreen. Whether Dr. Sanford's argument is correct or not, he is definitely legitimate in his qualifications. He has a Ph.D. in Genetics, was a pioneer in biotechnology (he invented the gene gun), and he is a former faculty member at Cornell University.

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      Luis Marco

      Hi, it's rather better that you read the Urantia book, it's free online, you will get answers thus & Hope... (!) ;)

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      For me, this article was not the first time that I was introduced to the concept of human extinction. In an article from Cracked, I learned about the "Doomsday argument". The article was listing five reasons for why we haven't discovered or been contacted by alien life. One of the reasons given was that each species had a finite period of existence. If we are facing extinction, then the probability is that other intelligent life faced the same threat. The question is, and one we can't answer, is whether they are or were able to overcome this threat. (http://www.cracked.com/article...

      The Doomsday Argument states that there is a 95% chance of humans becoming extinct in 9,120 years. The argument is similar to the German tank problem of WWII. Here are Wikipedia articles on both:



      I have often wondered why barriers were created to prevent intelligent life from contacting each other. For those who created the barriers, did they know something we didn't, and were they attempting to stop something from happening?

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      Sin is a horrible thing. All of creation is in declination. But they can't make that connection. Come Lord Jesus..!! :)

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      Alex Lieber-Alessie

      If we spent more of our resources on medical research instead of military technology, we would lick the mutation degradation, cancer and aging. We need to stop killi cancer cells and focus on learning how to control the mitotic rate of cellular division. The true cure for cancer and aging is right there in the cancer cell. That's a mutation from which we can expand longevity and not just enabling people to live longer lifespans within known human longevity of a maximum if 120 years.

      Alex Lieber-Alessie

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      Hammerstrike Alex Lieber-Alessie{C}
      10 days ago•00

    • On the contrary, what was military technology eventually develops into other things.
      WW2 = computers

      What isn´t spent on military technology is more likely to be spent on fashionable cloths and new cars, that is "western democracy".
      Beside, the budget of welfare in the US is now greater than the budget of the military.

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      Jesus said this generation will not pass away till all this come to past... It has been 65 years since Israel's rebirth... These scientist are saying 70 years is a generation...hum

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  2. shiloh za-rah

    shiloh za-rah Planetary Rebirth

    The Friendship AMICI - ET/UFO Case and the Armageddon of 2013

    Shared by Raven from other sources​

    There are a number of aspects to this presentation, which I find interesting and unlikely to be faked.
    First is the dating of this as beginning around 1956 and so the start of the post atomic Logos timeline.

    Second was the statement that the (W56) ETs are located in inner earth, subterranean and subaquatic environments. This fits in well with my 'realisation' that the ET Contact will be from already existing geological locations. The Nabs obsession with ptb underground bases (which I do not deny in principle btw) would indicate some validity to this.

    Third is the claim, that the ETs have teleportation technology and knew of the solid state physics of the telecommunications technology in the 1950s and 1960s and long before this became standardised human physics.

    The claims about 'materialisations' would fit nicely with the technology of the non human-faked crop (and ice) circles around the globe.

    The CTR or 'Contraries' as the 'materialistic unethical' and robotic (and human like in self expression and projected evolvement) opposite to the 'Amici', can then of course be identified with the 'good angels' versus 'evil demons' divide.

    This then becomes the Thuban perspective of the dragonomy and 'hybridisation' of both sides WITHIN the say, human genomatic matrix. This then would be in full alignment with the Thuban agenda, as you can now easily decipher and infer for yourself. The 'Amici' are the starhuman future and the CTR are the old human past and present, reaching their evolutionary climax in its cosmic and universal context and history. The last part of this video converges to just such a viewpoint and so places the human raison d' etre just into the Thuban and similar contexts, gnosis and understandings, albeit centred on the World TwinLogos.

    The W56 versus the CTR, so BOTH utilize the human medium as a 'source of fuel'. This 'fuel' either is based on ideas of loyalty, friendship, harmony and say the Love Frequency or on its opposite polarity of the AntiLove /Fear Frequency. Now you know, that those are most favoured ideas of the Nabs community, but can also be rigorously defined in the modular string duality of the winded longrange and the vibratory shortrange modes of the innermost subatomic energy expressions. Subsequently, the Thuban definitions of 'Love' as the unification of the polarised string modes, will ultimately define the universal cosmology as a reconfiguration of primordial energy modes (say the Sephirots or 'broken vessels' of the Kabbalah) into a New World, including and centred on a Universal Mother Nexus, which both this video at the beginning and Thuban has defined as the Baab-Gaia planetary Motherplanet evoving into a Starplanet, able to generate its own tertiary energy source as a Cosmic Womb or 'Cosmic Beehive', storing the 'neutral fuel' as a corebased silo of Heavenly Manna or Honey.

    earthegg. 98px-orphic-egg. 14.

    The details on this are shared on many threads on this and other affliated forums.

    I might also add, that you and a few might understand just how this 'great divide' between the W56-ethical and the CTR-unethical IS designed or purposed to become bridged or harmonised. The 'bad fuel' of the 'human emotional unethical abuse' CAN become focused or concentrated into a sort of 'neutral fuel' which then can participate as a 'good fuel' under the 'Abba Love Frequency' . There exists a particular multi-dimensional part in the human genetic makeup, which literally TRANSCENDS the 'good versus evil' dichotomy.

    This particular part would be termed the transformation of old human sexuality and desires under the evolutionary mantle of reproduction and 'genetic familial immortality' into a starhuman sexuality and code of ethics between corebased genome extended or multiplied universals. A few of us have identified this as Cosmic Dragonhood. But I shall leave it at that and you and whoever might be able to read between the lines what a cellular reproduction in the galactic sense would imply for a New World inhabited by harmonised W56-CTR hybrids.

    this Diagram is simply showing 2 Phi.Spirals mirrored, and slightly over-lapped, creating the Vesica-Piscis in center, and Spirals winding into Ovaries...
    Also showing Mandelbrot fractal as it fits within the Uterus.

    Shared by Dea Trinity

    Shared by Xeia​

    So overall, I support this video transmission and would say, I have not found any delusionary tactics in it; human filtering mentalities and applications and interpretations notwithstanding.

    Of course, this video still could be manufactured and a propagation and dissemination tool. But some details as to 'how the friends operated', seem unlikely to be part of such an agenda. The rather primitive metallic looking ufos appear VERY MUCH as manmade; but this also could be a historical reflection of true ET technology as imagery of the then present status quo of terrestrial technology and science. Compared to the, relative to me, genuine Rendlesham Forest UFO craft incident of 1980, the UFOs in this video are less than 'extraterrestrial' in my view; but this last comment has a bifurcated meaning and interpretation as well.

    I will comment further, after analysing the information in this video a little further, if so appropriate.

    [1:30:02 AM-Monday, September 9th, 2013 +10UCT]

    Emeth 141: Btw you can look at this particular week from September 6 to 13 as being the Easter Week 2011
    [1:30:39 AM] Sirius 17: ok that fits
    [1:30:58 AM] Emeth 141: So September 6th = May 1st, 2011 and September 13th = Easter Sunday 2011 as April 24th
    [1:31:23 AM] Emeth 141: Beltane as the 'witches night' is your September 7th
    [1:31:38 AM] Sirius 17: ahh ok
    [1:31:54 AM] Emeth 141: Yes this is part of the main mandala chart of Baab

    A DRAGON MADE ARMAGEDDON=82=41+41 as a KING of the OMEGA
    and as a DREAM of the DREAM beginning September 13th, 2013
    as 82 days from the Supermoon of June 23rd, 2013

    sui1. sui2.
    Easter Sunday = April 24th, 2011 + 41 = June 4th, 2011 + 41 = July 15th, 2011
    June 23rd, 2013 + 41 = August 3rd, 2013 + 41 = September 13th, 2013 = Armageddon Friday the 13th

    superdragon. supermoon. phoeni10.



    [​IMG] Happy Birthday: Word of Isis B(r)ook[​IMG] Duamutef![​IMG]

    Protector of the Womb

    carisis. carfire. cartwins.

    [1:49:44 AM] Sirius 17: yeah are you going to post something on the Birthday thread?
    [1:49:48 AM] Sirius 17: we should
    [1:50:21 AM] Emeth 141: I'll add this to the post in relevancy; you can say something from the Thubans

    [1:56:40 AM] Emeth 141: See this is her cosmic ID and LH as the 2-11-20 series of Isis
    [1:56:51 AM] Emeth 141: ending in the Egyptian LionTwin across the Fire of Baab as the Female Logos {RaHaR(Ra-Apep)}-{Shu-Tefnut}-{Geb-Nut}-{Osiris-Isis&Seth-Nephthys} as the 4 generations of the cosmic reproduction in the Generations of Abraham-Sarah
    [1:57:09 AM] Emeth 141: So put those 3 together for a deep Logos message
    [1:57:32 AM] Sirius 17: umm can you put them on spruz somewhere so i can link them?
    [1:57:34 AM] Emeth 141: 3x20=60=2+2+2=11+11+11=20+20+20=29+29+29=38+38+38=47+47+47=56+56+56=65+65+65=TTT

    Operation Scrambleweb: http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&fid=&lastp=1&id=141CBFAC-9D11-4895-B0B2-065CCAAC2703
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  3. shiloh za-rah

    shiloh za-rah Planetary Rebirth

    The September HARVEST Moon of 2013

    September brings the Harvest Moon, the most powerful of the year for practical, beneficial effect in the world. It’s time to gather the fruits of past labor, tread the grapes for wine, bring in the sheaves and winnow the wheat from the chaff. The ways of the physical harvest parallel the psychic world. This field is harvested in meditation, loving remembering , dance, yoga, tai chi and other bio-energetic exercise. This is the year’s harvest and a harvest of years, a personal harvest and a co-operative harvest as creative fruits of time past are gathered into a common store from which holy grail all are given their due to fulfill the destiny of the soul.

    The gathering of the harvest begins at the Gate of Inspiration Sept 2 when the Wishing Moon appears in the morning sky. This is a time to breathe deeply (inspire) and dance freely to free the soul. Then we realize and invoke just what is needed to fulfill this life. The Harvest Moon cycle begins Sept 5 with the spiritual new year Rosh Hashanah. The magic seeds of the new cycle are sown, the shofar is blown, when the lunar crescent appears Friday evening Sept 6. In the old tradition, a fire is lit on the hill when the crescent appears; then comes the sounding of the horn.

    The New Moon is the Prima Materia, first matter or mother, the "lead" from which is formed alchemical gold. The phases of Alchemy are the phases of the Moon; alchemical transformation occurs between New Moon and Full. People the world over see a Rabbit in the Moon. The Chinese Moon Hare stands on the Moon "pounding the elixir of immortality." This means pounding sap from herbs and rhythmic movement as in ritual dance or drumming. The magic of the Moon Hare grows as the Moon grows; emotions rise and primal energy increases with the waxing Moon.

    Alchemical transformation takes place between the Sept 5 New Moon and the Sept 19-20 Moon Hare Full Moon. Ching or primal energy is conserved in this time by breathing vital energy up. At the Moon Hare Full Moon ching is converted into chi and gathered as the Elixir of Immortality. Rhythmic movement and breath are used to convert ching to chi. This way primal lead is transformed into the gold of love and divine union occurs within. This inner Alchemy will then be realized in the outer world. Ascending the lunar wave is like surfing, each lunar cycle brings good tidings that become greater if we maintain our balance and stay on the board.

    Maat, the Egyptian Goddess of Justice, stands on the western horizon now holding in her left hand a scale that balances a heart with a feather. Maat is an empath who can feel what makes the heart heavy. In her right hand she holds a magical instrument with which she eliminates what makes the heart heavy so it becomes as light as the Feather of Truth. This instrument is the Goddess Eye that is framed in a golden triangle. From this Eye streams a beam of light or bolt of lightning that frees the world. When the Goddess Eye retreats from the world evil reigns for a time; when the Goddess Eye returns evil is destroyed, old world psychic forms are broken and a new world begins. It is now that the Eye returns.

    Egyptian myth tells us that Maat embraces Ra (the Sun god) twice each day, at Sunrise and at Sunset. Through Maat's embrace, Ra is able to defeat Apophis and set right the world. Time is fractal: Sunrise is like Spring Equinox and Sunset like Autumn Equinox when Libra begins in the cycle of the year.

    As the Sun moves through Libra, the sign of Maat, we restore balance within and release what makes the heart heavy so it becomes as light as the Feather of Truth. All that makes the heart heavy (personal and global) comes up now to be released. Now is the time to separate the shadow from light, breathe, clear and set free. This is best done in the magic hours of dusk and dawn. It’s time to let go the trappings of the old world and channel the energy set free from these old forms to create anew. Two of the most prominent constellations visible now are Aquila the Eagle and Cygnus the Swan. The Eagle wields thunderbolts to clear shadows from the world, the Swan brings love and peace on Earth.

    Our role in the new creation is realized as Venus grows brighter in the evening sky. Heaven and Nature sing and the world’s way forward is illuminated now. Evening Star Venus is empowered to restore the natural divine order; she brings new Love and Peace to planet Earth. At this phase, Venus presides over the transformation of the order of things in the world. As an old world passes away, a new world is born. Focus on the light of Venus and breathe deeply to receive blessings from the Goddess of Love. The Age of Aquarius is now beginning and Love is our guide.

    Balsamic Moon / White Rabbit ! Sep 1-3 – New Magic is Afoot, Make a Wish!

    This is the Wishing Moon, time to put wishes on the air. Also called the Witches Moon, it’s time to bring to mind those who need healing. Feeling invokes healing, deep feeling brings deep healing. The deeper we feel, the more Moon magic comes through the new lunar cycle. Shadows before New Moon can be cleared through deep breathing with attention to the light within. Moon shadows are old life patterns come up to be let go on the waning tide. As shadows dissolve in the cosmic sea, chi is set free to realize dreams. See the wee waning crescent rising before the Sun.

    Say ‘White Rabbit’ first thing Sept 1 for luck throughout the month. This is an old folk custom for the first day of the month, the day of the Magician, the #1 card in Tarot. The Magician pulls another rabbit from his hat and it’s the Moon Hare, the rabbit of magic, alchemy and the Moon. The Moon Hare can be seen standing on the Moon pounding the Elixir of Immortality just as our psyches are harvesting the good of the passing year.

    Melpomene Muse Gate of Inspiration, Sep 2-3 (11:30 pm gmt 2/1 – 9:30 am 2/3) – Dance!

    Muse Gates open every 40 days, 9 each year. Whatever blocks creative flow, all shadows that resist the truth we know, come before the Gate to be let go. It’s time to release body tensions that hold outmoded ways of thinking and feeling. Breathe deeply and move freely (dance!) to shed old patterns of being and be present to the magic of this new time. Each Muse Gate begins a 40 day Season of a Muse. Melpomene is the Muse of tragedy, she is also a Muse of enchantment and musical harmony. The Muse seasons align with the spheres of the Kabala tree and Melpomene is Tiphareth the sphere of the Sun. The Muse Melpomene (the Sun) brings to light all that makes heavy the heart of the world. As all this is transmuted (through the alchemy of Virgo and Libra) the soul of the world is healed and this harvest season brings blessings to all.

    Dark of the Moon/Virgo New Moon, Sep 4-6 – Time to Go Within and Renew

    The day before New Moon until Sunset the day after is ideal for inner work to release shadows past and seed the new lunar cycle; outer activity is well favored when the new crescent appears. Old Moon shadows give way as we connect with the light and breathe. The New Moon (11:36 am gmt Sept 5) is a magical spring that flows freely as we slow down. Nostradamus calls New Moon "the day of Diana, a time for silent rest." New Moon is... Alice’s cosmic rabbit hole, great wonders await our following the Moon Hare within. Here we can know what is and how to shape what is to be.

    The Sept 5 - Oct 4 lunar cycle is especially powerful as the Moon is the esoteric / inner ruler and guide of Virgo. This Moon cycle is also more effective as it begins in 2nd decan Virgo which is ruled by Saturn the planet of 2013. This Hercules the Hero decan Virgo awakens new leaders, avatars, spiritual warriors for our time. The 2nd decan Virgo Tarot card IX of Pentacles shows a well dressed woman in an opulent garden with a trained falcon on her gloved hand. This Moon awakens Woman to her soul powers so she can master the forces of psychic nature and create anew. The Virgo Moon cycle brings an alchemy to set right the world. This is the great harvest / recreate-the-world Moon; all that's shadow or prima materia of the past world cycle comes forth now to be transformed into the gold of a new creation.

    Rosh Hashanah / Crescent New Moon, Sep 6-11 – A Time to Sow

    When the lunar crescent first appears at Rosh Hashanah a sacred fire is lit and the shofar, a ram’s horn, is blown signaling the beginning of the spiritual year. It's time to bring forward what we wish to be realized. Farmers plant seeds when the crescent appears, seeds become fertile on every level, all new beginnings are favored now. New Moon with Evening Star Venus in home sign Libra brings blessings of new love, peace and prosperity. Moon magic is strongest from Sunset to Moonset when the Moon is in the 7th House. Meditation now opens doorways, wishes take wing, prayers bring blessings for this Moon and the New Year to be.

    1st Quarter Moon, Sep 12-15 (exact 1:08 pm Sept 12) – A Time to Choose

    This Moon is a scythe cutting across the sky, it's time to cut free from the trappings of the past and affirm our purpose moving forward. Sacred to the Druids, the 1st Quarter Moon is pivotal in the cycle of creation. Choices made now are likely the right ones. Breathing deeply through the light of the crown frees energy flow up and down the spine to clear away astral shadows and power our dreams.

    The Moon Hare Full Moon, Sep 17-21 (exact 7:13 am 9/19) – Illumination!

    Each Full Moon brings revelation and opportunities for healing body, mind and soul. This is the Harvest Moon when we separate the wheat from the chaff of the year. Now the Moon Hare is seen pounding the “Elixir of Immortality” the essence of what is worthwhile from past cycles of time. The Full Moon is a cosmic pitcher that pours out the elixir, we raise our cups to receive. Divine energy flows for 3 days following the Full Moon. Meditation, deep breathing, music and dancing help us open to receive. Revelations come in dreams, chance encounters, and flashes of inspiration. Stay tuned.

    Autumn Equinox, Sep 22-25 (exact 4:44 pm Sep 22) – Restoring the Balance

    Everything is weighed on the cosmic scale at the Autumnal Equinox. Balance is restored within and without as the Sun continues through Libra the sign of Maat, the Egyptian goddess of Truth and Justice. In her left hand Maat holds a scale that balances a human Heart against the Feather of Truth. In her right hand Maat holds a golden triangle that frames the Goddess Eye. From this Eye comes a beam of light or bolt of lightning which eliminates all that makes the heart heavy so it becomes as light as the Feather of Truth. When the Eye retreats from the world, evil reigns for a time; when the Goddess Eye returns evil is vanquished and a new world begins. Social justice and economic democracy are realized through the liberating influence of Libra/Maat and her divine counterpart Persephone or Kore, the feminine soul of the world.

    3rd Quarter Moon, Sep 26-29 (exact 11:55 pm Sep 26) – Realize Dreams

    This Moon cuts away all that distracts from putting dreams into action. The 3rd Quarter Moon integrates new ideas into creative expression; it's time to follow our bliss and do what feels good in concert with the whole.

    Michaelmas Sep 29-30 – Celebrate Community and the Arts

    Each season has its archangel and element, Michael is the angel of fire and the Fall when leaves turn fiery colors and fire festivals occur more. Michaelmas is an arts festival that brings people together to share the fruits of their creative year.

    Steve Nelson is a professional astrologer who uses Tarot, name analysis, and traditional astrology to help clients understand personal myths and realize natural abilities. He can be reached at 704-375-3759 or email stevenelson@carolina.rr.com

    Last edited: Apr 2, 2014
  4. shiloh za-rah

    shiloh za-rah Planetary Rebirth

    Posted Sep 11th

    Synopsis: Heavy Quark Model Lands on Solid Footing


    Precision Measurement of the Λb0 Baryon Lifetime

    R. Aaij et al. (LHCb Collaboration)
    Phys. Rev. Lett. 111, 102003 (2013)
    Published September 5, 2013

    To make sense of the gigabytes of data coming out of the Large Hadron Collider, physicists need good theoretical models of how quarks and gluons form the larger particles called hadrons. For hadrons containing a relatively massive b (or bottom) quark, an early approach—the free quark model—doesn’t work well, so researchers developed a “heavy quark expansion” model that recognizes interactions among the quarks. In a paper in Physical Review Letters, the LHCb Collaboration reports high-energy collision data that lend substantial support to the heavy quark expansion theory, which has become the best approach for some important calculations.

    One test of this theory is to look at the lifetimes of two very different creatures: the Λb hadron (comprising an up, down, and bottom quark) and the anti-B meson (comprising a down antiquark and a bottom quark). According to the heavy quark expansion, the lifetimes of the two particles should be dominated by the b quark and thus equal to within a few percent. However, data emerging from LHC’s predecessor, LEP, indicated that Λb had a shorter lifespan than the B meson by a large margin.

    Better data are now reported by the LHCb researchers, who studied Λb and anti-B decays from 7 tera-electron-volt proton-proton collisions. They find a ratio of lifetimes of Λb , or equal within a few percent, as predicted by the heavy quark expansion. Moreover, the prediction was obtained without any corrections to the model, giving support to this treatment of quarks within hadrons. – David Voss


    Comment by TonyBlue:

    The longer liftime of the Λb =udb relative to the anti-B=dbarb derives from the underpinning quarkian quantum geometry detailed in other dispensations on this thred.


    Finestructuring gives you: Λb =udb=ud.ubardbar={ud.dbarubar}={uu(MIR-1).(MIRbar+1)ubarubar}=u(u{MIR-0}ubar)ubar, which decays more rapidly into VPE=uubar+'Mesonic Inner Ring'-VPE+ubaru; then

    anti-B=dbarb=dbar.ubardbar={(MIRbar+1)ubar.ubar(MIR+1)ubar} ={(MIR+1)[3x-⅔ KKK](MIR+1)}={KKIRKIR}bar='quasi {udd}bar' or 'energised antineutron-antilambda'.

    The more complex quark wavian geometry of the trisected wavequarkian template prolongs the lifetime of the anti-B meson relative to the 'more straight forward' decay pattern of the bottomed lambda hyperon.

    Emeth141, September 11th, 2013

    A Ophiuchus Hanukkah-Christmas 2013

    Comet ISON Perihilion on Chanukah 5774! And other key prophecies, dates and landmarks in time for stargazers
    Aug 12

    Posted by kabalista

    Comet ISON was discovered on September 21, 2012 in images taken by Russian astronomers Artyom Novichonok and Vitali Nevski of the constellation Cancer. September 21, 2012 was 5 Tishrei 5773, the fifth day of the new year of 5773, halfway between Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur. 5773 is the year when ISON has been visible to NASA telescopes, and beginning in August 2013 (Elul, the last month of 5773) to amateur astrologers directing their telescopes to the heavens across the globe.

    Discovery image of ISON / Credit: International Scientific Optical Network​

    Thus from its inception ISON hints at a message that traverses the 5773 – 5774 transition, which is also the 2012-2013-2014 transition, beginning at the winter solstice in 2012 and through the winter solstice of 2013, as we continue to receive energetic pulses and upgrades from the galactic center to advance us into a new era.

    For much of 5773 / 2013 ISON has been traveling through astronomical Gemini, making a loop through the constellation from earth’s perspective. On June 13, NASA’s Spitzer telescope took these photos of ISON:


    On July 15 (Erev Tisha B’Av), ISON was in conjunction with the Sun, just 8 degrees north of our prime luminary. On August 1st ISON moved into Cancer but due to its proximity to the sun has been hidden from view.

    On August 11, ISON began rising above the northeast-east horizon at dawn.

    On August 12 (6 Elul), amateur astronomer Bruce Gary of Arizona snapped a picture of ISON:

    Credit: Bruce Gary

    Beginning Aug. 21, ISON will be 6 degrees above the east-northeast horizon at twilight and potentially visible through a telescope. Stay tuned for more pictures!

    Credit: NASA​

    On October 1st, ISON will come within its closest distance of Mars and may be visible through Curiosity. Mars and ISON will then move together through the sky eastward through Leo. In mid-October, ISON and Mars will be conjunct royal star Regulus. Beginning in late October, ISON is likely to be visible through binoculars or even to the naked eye.


    On November 17, the day before the 19th of Kislev, and the arrival of the new revelation of the secret dimension of Torah for the year 5774, ISON flies by the super-bright stars Spica and Acturus in Virgo.

    On November 24, ISON conjoins Saturn and the star Zubenelgenubi of Libra. According to Nick Anthony Fiorenza of Lunar Planner:

    This is another primary event adding to the story line of ISON’s messianic journey. Synchronistically, this star marks Saturn’s exalted location in the ecliptic. It is curious timing for ISON and Saturn to conjoin here! Zubenel-genubi is the southern star of the scales of Libra, also the southern claw of the Scorpion. Its theme is about Karmic Responsibility / patterns of the past.

    On November 27, ISON conjoins Dschuba (marked below by Delta), the middle star of Scorpio’s tail, a day before it turns around the sun.


    Thus just before reaching Perihilion on Chanukah, ISON crosses the Scorpion’s tail.

    “Three things come when one least expects it: the Messiah, a found article and a scorpion.” – Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 97a

    ISON then heads for the 13th sign of the zodiac, the gateway between Scorpio and Sagittarius, Ophiuchus. On November 28, the first day of Chanukah, ISON reachest its closest approach of the sun at only 0.012 AU. The icy comet will be saturated in the sun’s heat and energy before making its closest approach to earth on its way back from the sun.


    On Dec. 26 (23 Tevet), ISON makes its closest approach to Earth at 0.43 AU, about half the distance between the earth and the sun. The earth will past through the comet’s trail of cosmic dust in mid-January.

    ISON is the Chanukah comet, bringing us light from a distant past:

    The holiday of Hanukah is all about Light. In its essence it connects us to the concealed light of Creation – Or HaGanuz.

    The first light of Creation included within it the ability to see beyond time and space. We learn from the sages and the Zohar that God decided to reduce this light in order to limit its use because if people were to have access to the higher light, they might have used it for negative purposes.

    In every generation there are 36 righteous people that are special channels for the light of Creation to feed and sustain the world. The opportunity we have to come closer to this light is when we light the Chanukah candles.

    For more on ISON’s messianic journey, see Lunar Planner. Astrologically, ISON tells a story:

    Due to the trajectory of comet ISON through the cosmos with specific reference to the consellations, there appears a story worthy of consideration. Remember that we are told to watch the sky for signs.

    From the time Comet ISON first becomes visible to the naked eye it traverses the constellations of Leo, then in November it makes its way into Virgo and into Libra then Scorpius in December. Late December it moves into Serpens, then Hercules and finally Draco before it is no longer visible with an unaided eye.

    Putting this together in terms of how the Hebrew Massorah depicts these aspects of the constellations, it reads like a book.

    The seed of the woman, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah who shall punish the enemy, will redeem His atoning work through conflict with the enemy who assaults mans heel. His mightiness will reign victorious as He bruises His heel casting down the dragon and trodding him under His foot and then rededicating the temple of God.

    The possibility that ISON will be visible in the nighttime and possibly daytime sky raises the question whether ISON is the Star of Jacob prophecized by Bilaam in the book of Numbers (thanks to Rabbi David Katz for discussion on this point):

    I see it, but not now; I behold it, but not in the near future. A star shall go forth from Jacob, And a staff [shevet] shall arise from Israel

    The word staff (shevet) is from the same root as the word ‘tribe’ as in ‘tribes of Israel’ and as the word for comet in modern Hebrew – shavit (שביט).

    The Zohar elaborates on the connection between heavenly phenomena and the arrival of the messianic era:

    Then the 7th window will open in the entire world, and its star is Kochav Yaakov, and this is the one about which Bilaam said “a star shoots forth from Yaakov,” and this star will be luminous for 40 days and 40 nights. When Melech Hamoshiach will be revealed, and all the people’s of the world will be gathered to him, then the verse will be fulfilled which states [Yeshaya 11:10]: “the root of Yishai, which stands as a banner for peoples, to him shall the nations inquire, and his peace shall be [with] honor.” – Zohar Terumah 172b

    Another passage from the Zohar describes a blazing star from the East:

    After forty days, when the pillar rises from earth to heaven in the eyes of the whole world and the Messiah has appeared, A STAR WILL RISE UP ON THE EAST, BLAZING IN ALL COLORS, AND SEVEN OTHER STARS WILL SURROUND THAT STAR. And they will wage war on it from all sides, three times a day for seventy days, and all the people in the world will see.

    And that star will make war with them with torches of blazing fire, sparkling in every direction, and it will strike them until it swallows them every single night. And at daytime, it lets them out again. They will make the war before the whole world repeatedly for seventy days. After seventy days, that star will be hidden and the Messiah will be hidden for twelve months, the pillar of fire will return as before, the Messiah will be hidden in it, and that pillar will not be seen.

    After twelve months, the Messiah will be raised inside that pillar into the firmament, where he will receive strength and the crown of kingship. And when he descends to the earth, that pillar of fire will be seen again as before, in the eyes of the whole world. Afterwards, the Messiah will appear and many nations will gather unto him, and he will make wars throughout the world. At that time, the Creator will awaken all the peoples of the world with His might, the Messiah King will be known throughout the world, and all the kings in the world will awaken and unite to wage war against him.

    We watch the heavens with anticipation of the message ISON carries for our sun, our planet and our solar system. ISON’s mysterious origins, trajectory through the zodiac, and potential window of luminosity on earth make the countdown of 5773 and the beginning of 5774 an exciting time for the night sky, which since ancient times has been the inspiration board for prophets and poets aching for redemption.

    The last 4 videos are FYI only and serve for alternative viewpoints and are not generally endorsed by the Thuban data about ISON. The first of the four videos is a Nabs presentation, but relates to the third one and the others in particular reactions in the mainstream and alternative dissemination and (dis)information media.

    Emeth141, September 11th, 2013

    Post last edited Sep 11th​
  5. shiloh za-rah

    shiloh za-rah Planetary Rebirth

    bobhardee wrote:
    Thank you SiriArc and Brook for the beautiful poems...and thanks to Aquarius for your thoughts as well.

    I don't recall a lot of dreams but recently had one that seemed to last all night and stayed in my thoughts throughout the next day... and remains with me now. When I awoke, I felt reassured, not worried, and somewhat excited about what the possibility of what will come. It started with a world wide appearance of UFO's each over a major city and especially over the capital of each country. They did not threaten. They did not attack. They did announce in every language that they were here to establish trade and commerce but do so would require that a world wide currency. They explained that earth would be an excellent place for manufacturing goods that are bought and sold throughout the known universe. This would mean that every nation would grow and become wealthy. At some point in the dream, the USA or some nation did send up jets to fire on these UFO's but when they did so, nothing happened. They did something that made gun powder worthless. You could pull as many triggers as you want but nothing would happen. Once that was over the nations of the world got on with the peace thing.....and it truly was the start of 1000 years of peace and prosperity. There was a world wide minimum wage established and with that you could reasonably but an electric generators that would provide all one needed to run a home. Earth became the place that if you wanted a car that ran on antigravity, you came here to have it built or to buy it. It went on and on like this and I want bore you with anymore but did want to share.

    One other thing about the dream was that I would come back to it even though I got up a couple times in the night.

    Maybe this is a new way to think of 9-11. Not as a wake up call about terrorism but a wake up call to move beyond violence and be a part of our Universal family.
    As this dreaming gnosis from Bob Hardee of MistsofAvalon Forum nicely corroborates with the Thuban data base and archives; I am sharing this message with its affiliation from the Moabytes both here and on the MOA forum.
    The attached photographs were supplied by Xeia Sui Generis




    Emeth141, September 12th, 2013

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    empty. bobhardee Today at 9:20 am
    Thank you SiriArc and Brook for the beautiful poems...and thanks to Aquarius for your thoughts as well.

    I don't recall a lot of dreams but recently had one that seemed to last all night and stayed in my thoughts throughout the next day... and remains with me now. When I awoke, I felt reassured, not worried, and somewhat excited about what the possibility of what will come. It started with a world wide appearance of UFO's each over a major city and especially over the capital of each country. They did not threaten. They did not attack. They did announce in every language that they were here to establish trade and commerce but do so would require that a world wide currency. They explained that earth would be an excellent place for manufacturing goods that are bought and sold throughout the known universe. This would mean that every nation would grow and become wealthy. At some point in the dream, the USA or some nation did send up jets to fire on these UFO's but when they did so, nothing happened. They did something that made gun powder worthless. You could pull as many triggers as you want but nothing would happen. Once that was over the nations of the world got on with the peace thing.....and it truly was the start of 1000 years of peace and prosperity. There was a world wide minimum wage established and with that you could reasonably but an electric generators that would provide all one needed to run a home. Earth became the place that if you wanted a car that ran on antigravity, you came here to have it built or to buy it. It went on and on like this and I want bore you with anymore but did want to share.

    One other thing about the dream was that I would come back to it even though I got up a couple times in the night.

    Maybe this is a new way to think of 9-11. Not as a wake up call about terrorism but a wake up call to move beyond violence and be a part of our Universal family.

    General Introduction and the Universal Currency

    Evolutionary Context and the Means of Exchange

    A planetary civilization like the homo sapiens genus, attempting to integrate through consciousness evolution from planetary starsystem status to galactic integration; will by its internal cosmogenetic encoding mimick its potential for self-governance in its planetary partitionings of nation states and their affiliated agendas.
    The cellular holofractal nature of the cosmic architecture so will miniaturize in the selfconscious definitions and structures found within the planetary environment.

    On the galactic level it are galactic constituents, who form the basic unitary cellular web; whilst on the subgalactic level the constituents are star systems, further subdivided into planetary division patterns like individuated geographical nation states, then regulated in political, socioeconomic-educational, cultural-communal and military-industrial complexes.
    In particular, an evolving civilization like the terran humanity, will attempt to UNIFY its regulatory structures in forming Globalization patterns across its many architectured and defined edifices throughout its experienced historical developments.
    In this history, the terrans developed a means of exchange; first from a simple bartering system to 'precious metals like gold coins' to symbolic tokens like wooden and mineral shards, paper strips, plastic sheets and finally digitalized memory encodings stored in centralized banking systems. The terrans collectively then termed this means of exchange as the 'value of money' or nation building associated 'currency'.

    As part of its collective consciousness evolution; the terrans soon realised the socio-economic control, which a centralization of the money supply would bestow onto the controlleurs of the distribution of this 'money', collectively known as banking systems and as the 'royal houses of the artisians'.
    These 'banking houses' and 'artisian families' then formed allegiances with each other and associated their local nation states with particular political processes under the auspices of elections and aristocracies and with the aim to globalize and unify all of the nation states comprised of the citizens of those nation states called the populus.
    Each one of the nation states was defined to be autonomous in principle and to harbour its own banking houses and artisian clanships; with the 'Federal Reserve Banks' controlling the said means of exchange, namely the supply of the money in a nation specific 'Currency'.
    As the 'Federal Reserves' were however international from their instigation; the 'bankers' could freely exchange and 'trade' the 'currencies' of the nation states in a game of the evolution of the consciousness; not only their own as controlleurs, but also the consciousness of the populace, the latter in agreeing overtly or covertly or knowingly or unknowingly to the superposed gameplay of the already globalised terran civilization through and by the control of the money supply.
    As this 'sequestering' of the supply channels for the money became the accepted modus operandi for all the terran nation states in terms of their regulatory systems of political governance of the populace and socio-economic control between the nation states; the potential of divisive inequalities between the 'governors' and the 'governed' itself evolved and often grew into unsustainable proportions individually and collectively.

    The core of the unsustainable growth and progress of the inequality of the means of exchange between banker-capitalist-investor and banked-capital-worker became the invention of the exchange interest, opening the avenue for economic phenomena like inflation and deflation to manifest across the currencies of the nation states with their Reserve Banks and their State Banks.
    The greater template for the means of exchange, mimicked by the terran banking houses in labels like the World Bank (WB) and the International Money Fund (IMF) has hitherto remained elusive in the play of the human collective consciousness.
    Some details about this greater blueprint can now be released to allow the human consciousness evolution to prepare for the necessary political and socio-economic changes required to allow a relatively 'painless' transition of the human metamorphosis from its human consciousness into its greater starhuman and galactic selfexpression.
    The means of exchange on the galactic and universal level is an 'Investment' in the 'Creative Potential' of the cosmic data collectors, namely the sentiences throughout the universe.
    Employment, Work and Creativity so are intrinsically linked on the cosmic master-template as a Data-Bank and the means of exchange can then be defined in various modes of tokens or 'earnings' or 'credits' or 'wages' or 'income'.
    As the Gaian nexus for the completion of the warpzone at this decisive equilibrium point for the birth of cosmic consciousness in the 2012/2013 transition period has been reached; the following initiatory basis is herewith published by the Council of the Ancients; alternatively labeled as the Council of Thuban.
    The means of exchange and so the 'currency' as used by the Extraterrestrial StarHuman is issued as the Draco by the Bank of Thuban.
    The main characteristic of the Bank of Thuban is the absence of interest charged or assigned and the inapplicability of the 'made for profit' label to ensure socio-economic 'growth' and progress.
    Following contact with the Thuban Fleet; all humans in whatever nation state, political allegiance and under the auspices of whatever 'Federal Reserve', World Bank or IMF will be invited to begin TRADE with the extraterrestrial universe.
    Trade between the new starplanet 'New Earth' or Gaia-Serpentina and the rest of the universe, so will be underwritten by the Bank of Thuban and the Draco; all human currencies being required to be traded in exchange under the guidance of the Council of the Ancients.
    This 'underwriting' and protocol will remain in force for the duration of the metamorphosis of the planetary human civilisation into its galactic starhuman successor. Following its successful assimilation; the Council of the Ancients will have achieved its aim of founding the original human genomic master blueprint through the metamorphosis as the universal center becoming a localised galactic center of the local galactic cell and then to render the group galactic cellular web to indicate the next evolutionary stage for the creative master template and agenda to continue in its expansion.

    Context of Affiliation, Employment and Defence


    All humans will be invited to seek 'employment' via contact with the Thuban emissaries; the main criteria of employment being the cosmic capital and 'Cosmic Reserve' of the 'hidden and expressed creativity' as the 'Starhuman Capital'.
    All humans will then become enabled to seek dual citizenship and multiple employment opportunities - as inductees for starhuman consciousness into the galactic membership, as well as whatever they do or aspire to do in the human realm of Gaia.
    The existing national governments and their encompassing already globalised support structures, will also be invited to integrate their unification agendas into the galactic graduation scenarios.
    Particular political structures in every one of the nation states will be invited to synergize with Thuban Elders of the Starhumanity to reform the political processes from their existing hierarchical foundations.
    Certain 'Green- or environmentally conscious parties' so will become galactically associated, if they so choose; and will then be able to present real alternative political choice to the electorate at whatever democratic- or theocratic election held in whatever constituency.
    There have been many unemployed humans upon Gaia at any time in its history. Social support industries were developed in many nation states in this regard to foster a certain idea of 'Social Security' into the populace. However the outcome of this was to consider the 'unemployed' and the 'veterans' and the 'elderly' and the 'sick' and other 'less privileged groups' as 'clients of the state' or similar 'support agencies' and departments.
    The Thuban Council of the Starhuman Elders (based on metamorphosed humans in extraterrestrial associations), will reform this idea of the 'productive citizen' supporting and adding to the 'common good' for the planetary organism in its overall synergy.


    Every human, irrespective of nationality, race, age or origin will become entitled to a 'basic wage' upon registering with the Council of the United Ancients. In this manner, over development contingencies; all 'social security systems' will become unified and streamlined, as long as they are necessary and supported by the renewed planetary international populace.
    This base entitlement will reflect the recognition of the elementary birthright of the starhuman potential within all incarnated entities within the Gaian realm by the Cosmic Intelligence Community (CIC), who will establish this 'Thuban World Bank', using extraterrestrial resources as its foundational basis, mimicked by IMF's and WBs and notions of mineral reserves such as the old human 'Gold Standard'.
    The 'prime directive' of the CIC, say as honoured in the Council of 24 Elders of the Starhumanity is the nourishment and patronage of the human creativity in whatever form or manner and as embodied in the 'Natural Laws' of Thuban OmniScience - the Principles of Prime Creator as encoded in sources of divers kinds and inclusive of the so called 'Holy Scrolls' of the old schools of philosophy, religion and science; all of whom will become redundant in their misunderstood and misinterpreted forms of their misdecodedness.
    The 'prime directive' of the selfreplicating 24-tiered Councils of the Elders, so will represent a commonly understood synthesis of the misinterpretations and partial translations of the Source Code of the World Logos as the integrated total Cosmic Intelligence; which became dispersed throughout the defined Omniverse and a 'scattering of the creator self', necessitated to create the physical playground for the collective universal sentience as the first principle of the Cosmic Identity.

    In the Beginning of the human metamorphosis, following the insemination; gestation; the birth and the weaning of the starhuman cosmic identification template; the nation states will be invited to enhance their internationally focused 'umbrella organisations' like the United Nations, the IMF and the WB and such groups as the 'Medicines without Boundaries'; the International Red Cross; Conservation Agencies and all similar collaborations.
    The invitees will be invited to 'copy' the 24-tiered Council of the Elders on all their governmental and hierarchical levels; from local Council to State governance to Federal governments in all capacities, including legislative, executive and jurisprudence.
    In time and evolvement; the decentralised- yet appearing to be centralised nature of the original blueprint for such 'governance' will become apparent; and the nation states will have come to an understanding that the centralised governance functions to its maximum capacity in its sharing of the decision making process, so seemingly relinquishing its own base of power of the governance.
    However without a necessary educational basis of understanding and cosmic wisdom, born from experience; say to learn from what works and what does not work in the overall schemata of the 'wisdom seekers'; no such Cosmic Intelligence and Wisdom can be implemented.

    The implementation of Cosmic Law requires both, the Electing Voter of the populus and the Elected Representatives to be equally informed about the overall structure and theme of the governance and their accompanying decision making processes and modus operandi.
    All 'governing bodies' , from the 'Local Group' to Muncipality to State to Nation to Planetary Council to Galactic Council so are designed to be holofractals of the 24-Elder tier; who renders the 'Wisdom of the Elders' following the Cosmic Law without hierarchical leadership within the 24-tier.
    The 24-tier derives its impetus from its 'empty center' of the VOID', being occupied by the Cosmic Law as given by the World Logos as the collective intelligence of the creators being both All in One and One in All and it is this, which is mirrored in the 24 Elders as the 24 facets of the VOID=Infinitum.
    It is premature to elaborate on this at this stage of the insemination of the starhuman embryo; but this introduction to a form of 'cosmic government', which seeks the dismantling of its own purpose to 'govern', is deemed appropriate.
    It suffices to say however, that the future outcomes of adherence to Cosmic Law, will allow the 'Councils of the Ancients' to become selfregulatory within all groups mentioned in the holofractalisations; ending with the Individuations of the Logos-Creator-Creation modality.

    Due to the intricacies engaged in the 'means of exchange' and the possible 'trade' between the nation states of the earth constituencies (say governments and business agglomerates and corporations under whatever labelings) with the extraterrestrial environments and partners; particular 'obstacles' and misunderstandings between the 'trading partners' will surface before its dynamic manifestation will become feasible.

    One easy way for any human to gain Dracos is to trade in so called weapons of destructions; from handguns to rifles to grenades and mines to machine guns to torpedos to ballistic missiles to nuclear warheads.
    All utility of such human invented machinery; except for sporting events, such as skilled target practice; is discouraged by the Council of the Ancients.
    An encoded protocol from the Cosmic Logos is:

    Isaiah 2:4 (King James Version)
    "and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. "

    Isaiah 2

    1The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
    2And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
    3And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
    4And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

    The Thuban Emissaries will have access to certain scanning chambers as part of particular processing centers and which will assign a value in Dracos to all such traded 'weapons of destruction' intended and manufactured for antipeaceful purposes.
    Military institutions and hierarchies will become transformed into Civil Services and as is already implemented protocol of existing peace corps of reconstruction and the viability of infrastructure following environmental disturbances such as wildfires, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and other natural disharmonies, either regenerative in the sense of environmental sustainability or as effect of a natural realignment of planetary consciousness following instabilities caused by resource abuse.
    The Thuban emissaries, especially relating to the initial contact of the motherships and the starcruisers; will reserve the privilege to confiscate without exchange for Dracos; any hardware projected in any manouvered, real or quasi, display of hostility and/or attack against said Thuban property.
    For example any airborne attack by military fighter jets and missiles will result in the hyperspace activation to effectively quarantine the military hardware using Thuban hyperspace technology, based on the quantum holography of the 5th spacetime dimension of the spacelike lightpath.
    The quarantined hardware will then become Thuban war collateral and any potential human military personel, finding themselves so quarantined; will become subject to reconditioning processes at the disgression of the Starhuman Elders.

    In the absence of instantaneous and a commonly understood and appreciated telepathic communication capability and the aim to minimize physical and mental suffering of a precarious planetary consciousness; it is prudent to use existing vocabulary and semantics to gradually evolve a 'lost civilization' and mentality into a new perception, which is indeed instantaneously realised on a more advanced mental plane of perception and purpose.

    Skeptics and ridiculers will abound on all sides, personal viewpoints, definitions and opinions of hitherto underinformed debates and critiques.

    To manifest any 'New World'; the original construction of the 'Old World' must be thoroughly understood and processed by those agencies implementing the archetypes and semiotiks utilized in the construction of the prior reality.
    Physical reality emerges from the transformation of energy, metaphysicalised or encompassed by a fuller 'energy of the passions' and the intuitive senses under whatever sublevels used.

    This energy of the 'passion' or the 'Cosmic feelingness' itself derives from the 'Thoughts and Memories', again a form of energy labeled as such in the limiting aspects of words and vocabularies often multi levelled in usage and application.

    Whatever the individuation; it will be energized by the 'thoughts' of the 'thinker' and the 'passions of the feeler'.
    So the primary realm of the activation for the metamorphosis on the most elementary level will and must be the 'prior thought' or impulse originating from the void or abyss of the monadicity dualised.
    Words and lexicons will forever represent but approximations in whatever vocabulary or semantics to describe this primal order.

    That is another reason, as to why symbols and semiotiks as a 'prior' form of communication is better suited as a universal language, than are individuated group lexicons.

    I the code below, the 'Lord' is every individual's logos (coupled or quantum entangled to the Logos) AS One as redeemed and irreplacable part of the Logos of One as the Many.

    Like a jigsaw puzzle, all parts of the puzzle are required to reweave the tapestry of the kaleidoscope of the One with many colours. Some pieces of the puzzle will however fasten to the carpet canvas before others, to show and to illuminate the context of the greater thema.

    Zephaniah 3:9 (King James Version)

    9For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.

    This completes this transmission, subject to edit and addendum at the appropriate 'times'. Pictures shared by Xeia, merci cherie!

    [10/08/2011 1:09:40 AM] b0jler: ET trade?! now that is just peachy
    [10/08/2011 1:11:24 AM] b0jler: well, guess that's one way of dealing with the effects of the global financial crysis... you can turn to religion... extraterestirals... lottery etc....

    [10/08/2011 10:23:27 AM] Tonyblue: [Tuesday, 9 August 2011 11 PM] Rok:
    <<< [Tuesday, 9 August 2011 10 PM] Rok:
    <<< "Following contact with the Thuban Fleet; all humans in whatever nation state, political allegiance and under the auspices of whatever 'Federal Reserve', World Bank or IMF will be invited to begin TRADE with the extraterrestrial universe."

    is this meant literary ?
    and the rest of the post?
    will "they" come and save socio-economic-cultural structure here?
    is this the so called need for the time of the amm emm "transition" from monkey to star human?
    "human military personel, finding themselves so quarantined; will become subject to reconditioning processes at the disgression of the Starhuman Elders."
    i had similar "visions"myself...
    in fact i often did "dream" about how to "manage the world"...the silly child like fantasy...using superior tech and to be in a way a super power...more resistant than the usa
    my idea was to put them in off world space station and re-educate them or leave them to rott if they refuse...
    was thinking later if i am power mad
    but..tony the post does remind me about commander ashtar and alike...how to say...i am sceptic but i dont have a close mind...yet when something is too good to be true...well will see

    [10/08/2011 10:24:45 AM] Tonyblue: No Rok, these 'thoughts' are not at all related to anything 'out there', either in the NABS or the ptb agendas.
    [10/08/2011 10:27:04 AM] Tonyblue: There should be a definitive 'Order of Transition' from the Old World to the New World and this is not at all 'modelled' on the ideas and assumptions of the human mind. Rather these 'ideas' (and they are provisionary and speculative in a general sense without detailed specifics) are as encoded in say the 'scrolls' of Isaiah and Revelation.
    [10/08/2011 10:28:10 AM] Tonyblue: What i tried to do in this post, is to give a general indication as to the form of this 'ordered transition' in a say preliminary setting of just ONE New Development - CONTACT.
    [10/08/2011 10:32:20 AM] Tonyblue: This Contact might at the beginnings just be a 'PRESENCE" seen. As you might fathom in view of the present puerile 'state of the human mind' - this FACT alone, will transform the human groupmind on many levels and so allow detailed and particular 'individualised' 'deeper contact' to proceed from this 'New Order' in the 'Mind of collective mankind'.
    [10/08/2011 10:34:24 AM] Tonyblue: The 'ET Trade' so refers to a 'mode of exchange' in a much deeper definition of this word 'trade' then the derisive comments of the skeptics and the naysayers.
    [10/08/2011 10:38:07 AM] Tonyblue: The 'peachyness' of the human deriders will then 'tell thier own tales' back to them in the mirrors of the cosmic justice

    [10/08/2011 11:25:44 AM] Xeia: this post is genius tony
    [10/08/2011 11:25:50 AM] Xeia: i love the way it is written
    [10/08/2011 11:26:05 AM] Xeia: and i agree wholeheartedly
    [10/08/2011 11:29:19 AM] Tonyblue: pleased you like it
    [10/08/2011 11:29:29 AM] Tonyblue: yes this bolle pissed me off a little
    [10/08/2011 11:30:02 AM] Xeia: bosh?
    [10/08/2011 11:30:04 AM] Xeia: lol

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    empty. Re: PhaseShift
    empty. THEeXchanger Yesterday at 11:01 am

    The new eXchange - beautiful :)


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    • Post n°520
    empty. Re: PhaseShift
    empty. bobhardee Yesterday at 3:41 pm

    That's more detail than I remember or was given but that's it
    Thanks. Wowwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!
    Bob H

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    • Post n°521
    empty. Re: Phaseshift
    empty. Jenetta Yesterday at 9:56 pm

    Interesting dream Bob...however I have my reservations about the Dracos...personally I prefer the Sirians or Pleidians.

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    empty. Deja Fin' Vu
    empty. SiriArc Today at 3:07 am

    J F P !!!
    to c_fritsch
    Tell ya what
    the website long shiloh posts are insane
    this virus has jumped the thuban barrier
    and is starting to DOMINATE what Others
    @ Mist want to share.
    The Carol
    to c_fritsch
    Thanks for the reply.
    As clarity, the reference isn't to the info or the quality thereof.
    And Massively NOT about Your Resonance/Response and that
    of Others >>> As noted a number of times on PS relative to .......
    Well, You Know.

    It's about the overwhelming quantity that seems to be spreading
    or the potential thereof.

    Instead of Clear Concise Replies, ya get a dissertation, web page long,
    about why 2 + 3 = 5.
    Note poll on pole star, the Brook stuff, etceteration .......
    Even a post on the PS Thread where his post at Camelot
    quoted the SA NooSphere post then REPOSTED THE ENTIRE THING AGAIN
    just below the Original !!!
    PS also had a long snippage of John Lash. That was pasted verbatim
    to one of the thubs, then THE ENTIRE PAGE From MetaHistory was
    pasted immediately below, REITERATING THE REITERATION !!!

    At first, on the thubthreads, an attempt was made to scan the info
    for points of interest but the friggin' posts were soooooloooong that loading
    took for ever, and on occasion, the comp even stalled.
    (Again on red pill p. 34 .......)

    Obvious solution, simply stop opening those threads.

    The note to You was observation of potential / pattern .......

    Kind O' ti/sn ish or dominator's in general.

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    empty. Lapis Lazuli
    empty. Aquaries1111 Today at 6:40 pm

    Lapis Lazuli

    Tis in his beam that rain shines with the clap of thunder
    and the Kinection is made.

    Lapis Lazuli where have you beamed? I thought you were somewhere else.


    • Post n°524
    empty. "If you are not one of us, you are one of them!"
    empty. Aquaries1111 Yesterday at 6:50 pm

    "If you are not one of us, you are one of them!"

    You know "Infiltration" is a virus. I know, many of my groups have been infiltrated, yet I still see the Dream in a Vision of my Truth!


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    • Post n°525
    empty. Re: PhaseShift
    empty. Aquaries1111 Yesterday at 7:05 pm


    Your Paranoia is not becoming. Carol did not remove my picture of me and Daniel Pinchbeck. I did. Now, Stop in the Name of Love before you break your Heart. She is too non-confrontational to share not such a truth with you, but the Truth is all ways made known. So stop with your madness and get some "Rest"!

    [1:33:52 AM-Saturday, September 14th, 2013 +10UCT ]

    Sirius 17: http://www.thuban.spruz.com/view/photo/photos.htm?id=F325A4CC-031E-40D9-9B57-77E6290C2CA7
    [1:33:55 AM] Sirius 17: lol Tony
    [1:33:58 AM] Sirius 17: love it
    [2:05:17 AM] Sirius 17: http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/13/us/flooding-colorado/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
    [2:05:50 AM] Sirius 17: i am sharing this because i think it is symbolic of Sept 13th. The town they have to evacuate is called Lyons, Colorado.
    [2:06:11 AM Sirius 17: unprecedented flooding that they say occurs once in 500 years or so
    [2:07:57 AM] Sirius 17: Lyons follows fellow Boulder County towns of Jamestown and Eldorado Springs to be evacuated as a result of the storm, which began around 6 p.m. Wednesday and sent virtually every waterway in the county coursing out of its banks, Boulder County Sheriff Joe Pelle said.
    [2:29:36 AM] Sirius 17: LYONS COLORADO=85+83= 168=84+84=42+42+42+42=6+6+6+6=24=6
    [2:32:23 AM] Sirius 17: Colorado in Spanish means red colored or ruddy
    [2:34:38 AM] Sirius 17: I don't know if i did the gematria right, but the message is pretty clear if i did

    How much rain?

    From the afternoon of Sept. 9 through midday on Sept. 13, 14.62 inches of rain fell in Boulder. Average September rainfall in Boulder is only 1.63 inches, according to Weather Channel meteorologist Jon Erdman, adding that Boulder picked up almost nine times its average September monthly rainfall in almost four days.

    What caused deadly Colorado floods?
    Doyle Rice, USA TODAY 6:55 p.m. EDT September 15, 2013
    Boulder picked up almost nine times its average September monthly rainfall in about four days.

    Railroad tracks at 9th Street, East of Airport Road, continue to be flooded in Longmont, Colo, on Sept. 14, 2013.

    (Photo: Cliff Grassmick AP)
    Story Highlights
    • Flash floods have hit Colorado several times in the state's history
    • Monsoon moisture from the south helped fuel this week's storms
    • Boulder is Colorado's "most at risk" city for floods

    Colorado is no stranger to devastating and deadly flash floods, due to a lethal combination of geography and meteorology. When unusually heavy rain falls across the region, narrow canyons and steep mountains help funnel raging torrents of water down into the heavily populated foothills to the west and north of Denver.

    One of them, the notorious "Big Thompson" flash flood of July 1976, killed at least 144 people north of Boulder. It caused "the worst natural disaster, in terms of documented lives lost, in Colorado state history," according to Boulder's Flood Safety Education Project website.

    Boulder, specifically, is considered to be Colorado's "most at risk" city in terms of potential flood damage, notes Weather Underground weather historian Christopher Burt. This is because it rests against the mouth of a canyon (the Boulder Canyon) from which a creek (the Boulder Creek) bisects the heart of the town.

    STORY: Hundreds still unaccounted for in deadly Colo. floods

    Mike Steinpach shovels mud from the basement of Stan McDonald's house after heavy flooding on Sept. 15 in Longmont, Colo.
    Hyoung Chang, The Denver Post, via AP

    Homes in the Eastwood Village Mobile Home Park are partially submerged by floodwaters in Evans, Colo.
    Joshua Polson, The Greeley Tribune via AP

    The South Platte River overflows and floods a home west of Kersey, Colo., over the weekend.
    Joshua Polson, The Greeley Tribune, via AP

    Railroad tracks running North and South at 9th Street continue to be flooded in Longmont, Colo., on Sept. 14.
    Cliff Grassmick, The Daily Camera via AP

    New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez gets a close look at what was once a road crossing Animas Creek just south of Truth or Consequences on Sept. 14.
    Roberto E. Rosales, Albuquerque Journal via AP

    An aerial image shows damage and flooding after some areas near Boulder received as much as 18 inches of rain in a 24-hour period. The 4th Combat Aviation Brigade was able to assist state and local emergency response efforts under the Immediate Response Authority.
    Staff Sgt. Wallace Bonner, U.S. ARMY via epa

    A residential neighborhood and a connecting road in Lyons, Colo., are cut in two by floodwaters as flooding continues to devastate the Front Range and thousands are forced to evacuate with an unconfirmed number of structures destroyed on Sept. 13.
    John Wark, AP


    Patrick Tinsley, left, and his sister, Mary Kerns, walk along a closed road from their mountain community of Magnolia after a massive flood on Sept. 13 in Boulder Canyon, Colo.
    Brennan Linsley, AP

    Low rain clouds cover high-rise buildings in downtown Denver.
    David Zalubowski, AP

    Officials investigate the scene of a road collapse at Highway 287 and Dillon on Sept. 12 between Broomfield and Lafayette, Colo. Three vehicles plunged into the water after flash floods collapsed a section of the road.
    Cliff Grassmick, Daily Camera, via AP

    Floodwater flows down Boulder Creek.
    Brennan Linsley, AP

    This week's rains and floods in Colorado were the result of a strong, slow-moving storm at upper levels of the atmosphere located to the west of the state, according to meteorologist Jeff Masters with the Weather Underground. The storm got trapped to the south of an unusually strong ridge of high pressure parked over Western Canada, he says.
    The circulation around the storm tapped a plume of extremely moist, monsoonal air from Mexico that pushed up against the mountains and fell as rain on the already saturated ground, soaked from rain earlier in the week, Masters adds.

    How much rain?

    From the afternoon of Sept. 9 through midday on Sept. 13, 14.62 inches of rain fell in Boulder. Average September rainfall in Boulder is only 1.63 inches, according to Weather Channel meteorologist Jon Erdman, adding that Boulder picked up almost nine times its average September monthly rainfall in almost four days.

    Finally, winds 15,000 feet above the ground were generally blowing from southeast to northwest and were light, Erdman says. This allowed the rain and thunderstorms to linger over the foothills and Front Range urban corridor.

    "This is a classic scenario for major flooding in northern Colorado," he says.

    Monsoon moisture flowing into Colorado from the south spawned the rain and thunderstorms that inundated the state this week.

    (Photo: National Weather Service)


    [12:10:27 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t51...s-in-dragon-logos-law-and-jurisprudence#96388
    [12:10:46 PM] Sirius 17: well i have sent Carol a pm and i have posted for her to remove my image
    [12:11:12 PM] Sirius 17: i don't give a shit that it is on a public forum, its our forum and she does not have my permission to post it
    [12:12:07 PM] Sirius 17: of course it didn't help that you posted our convo
    [12:12:24 PM] Sirius 17: but i understand why you did
    [12:12:44 PM] Sirius 17: i am sick of the hypocrasy too
    [12:13:48 PM] Sirius 17: its perfectly ok for them to say shitty things about us and run us through the mud on that forum but if we do it we get scolded or worse banned. When will Carol finally wake up to the BS.
    [12:14:38 PM] Sirius 17: And why oh why does DD repeatedly get away with murder on that forum?
    [12:14:45 PM] Sirius 17: it boggles my mind
    [12:18:00 PM] Sirius 17: Re: PhaseShift
    Post Aquaries1111 Today at 7:05 pm

    Your Paranoia is not becoming. Carol did not remove my picture of me and Daniel Pinchbeck. I did. Now, Stop in the Name of Love before you break your Heart. She is too non-confrontational to share not such a truth with you, but the Truth is all ways made known. So stop with your madness and get some "Rest"!

    [12:18:34 PM] Sirius 17: she is so fucking arrogant
    [12:18:49 PM] Sirius 17: her and Asha would make good company
    [1:03:36 PM] Sirius 17:


    Post Floyd Today at 8:30 pm
    It is interesting to see how peeps expend so much time and energy on a subject that is meaningless.
    Almost tragic.

    [1:03:44 PM] Sirius 17: Indeed Floyd
    [1:10:26 PM] Sirius 17: - September 13th 2013, 8:05 pm


    Thank you for the heads up. I'll remove the photo. As you may or may not know I do delete her in appropriate post when brought to my attention. However, I have no intention of banning anyone.


    - September 13th 2013, 6:58 pm


    Aquarius1111 has once again posted a personal photo of me on this forum without my permission. I do not care if the photo is found on our public forums, she does not have my permission to post any photos of me and or the Thubans and I want it to be removed immediately. Since she continues to wantonly violate the forum posting rules might i suggest you consider banning her again, but this time permanently. I will not put up with her misinterpretation of internet legality and misuse of my personal property and images. I realize you have your hands full with trying to get everyone to play nice, but Aquarius continually oversteps her bounds and I have had about enough of her proselytizing at my expense. Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.

    Sincerely, Raven


    the photo can be found here post 101
    [1:11:56 PM] Sirius 17: so she has no intention of banning anyone, better keep that message safe somewhere for future reference lol.
    [1:15:00 PM] Sirius 17: well Carol did remove the photo as she said she would
    [1:18:47 PM] Sirius 17: how do i take a screen shot?
    [1:38:06 PM] Sirius 17:

    - September 13th 2013, 8:35 pm

    You're more then welcome. She knows if anyone complains I delete her posts. It's copacetic. She doesn't complain when I delete her posts and I don't ban her.

    - September 13th 2013, 8:18 pm

    Thank you for the quick attention to this Carol, much appreciated. Double Thumbs Up

    [5:03:02 PM] Sirius 17: well i guess my body has decided to have its first real period since June
    [5:03:37 PM] Sirius 17: i guess you don't feel like talking so i will go to bed then
    [5:05:06 PM] Sirius 17: take care Tony
    [5:05:23 PM] Sirius 17: [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
    [5:44:16 PM] TonyB: I could not see your photo dear, you should have saved the screenshot for the records
    [5:45:00 PM] TonyB: And no, I wont reply to this self-obsessed Nabs idiot any longer
    [5:45:22 PM] TonyB: To save a screenshot, you do the following:
    [5:45:40 PM] TonyB: 1. You press the print screen button on your keyboard
    [5:46:24 PM] TonyB: 2. You click on any old pic you have on your computer you do not wish to save (say use a copy of something)
    [5:46:44 PM] TonyB: 3. You open this pic with paint
    [5:46:47 PM] TonyB: 4. You click paste in the paint menu
    [5:47:10 PM] TonyB: 5. You save the paint pic
    [9:57:31 PM] TonyB: 6. You edit the saved pic to your likings

    Friday the 13th

    Morning falls in thickness
    Her heavy air, Grey
    Diamonds scintillating in
    The dawn sky
    Haze of centuries lay over
    The city like a blanket
    Fog of endings
    The silence pierced by
    Raven caw
    Black Beaked and carrion feasted
    Mother of all
    Dove winged she bleeds white
    The thirteenth tribe gathers
    We came to start a fire
    Do not pretend to know me
    Or from where I come
    Gather around our corpses
    And see what flesh the saints eat.

    Julienne Alvarez ® Sept., 13 2013=9/13/13​

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  6. shiloh za-rah

    shiloh za-rah Planetary Rebirth

    - Posted Sep 14th
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    • Post n°101
    [​IMG] Re: The Constitution and Almanac of the New Cosmos in Dragon Logos Law and Jurisprudence
    [​IMG] shiloh Today at 8:12 pm

    bobhardee wrote:Interesting post. After studying all that you have and no I haven't read all 7 pages of this, but do find it very interesting, what do you see happening if anything other than the same of what we have had , is going to happen over the next 3- 4 months?
    Bob H

    Aye Bob Hardee!

    If you are interested in a deeper timeline as applicable to say your generation, aka the post WW2 period definable say in the entry into the 'atomic age' of this planetary civilisation; than the 'market based' and dis(information) pattern presented by both, the mainstream and the alternative media sources; then I can share some insights with you.

    On this thread here, should you consider the data from page 6 and Message #77 onwards, you will find a timeline countdown, which will strike you perhaps as rather esoteric in both metaphysical and 'hardcore' scientific semantics and expressions. But this is as it is required to be for a general agenda from the cosmic evolutionary observation viewpoint.

    This picture here describes the location of planet Earth relative to the local galactic environment and depicts, in omni-scientific terms, a local galactic environment, in which a particular galactic civilisation can experience and undergo its particular evolvement as a data collector and information processor. This 'human stewardship' or 'raison de etre'' or purpose for being, then can, under the appropriate parameters, SERVE the entire universe as a novel reference frame of how to 'grow and integrate' or not to 'manifest' such a galactic civilisation.

    In other words, there exist in a multidimensional time space continuum, inhabited by many galactic or starbased ET civilisations, which experience a rather different mileu of their own environmental evolution and growth patterns. Those ET 'races' then are all self-relative and in a certain manner, say as an interwoven tapestry and kaleidoscope, interact and communicate with each other and their multidimensional environments.

    It is because of this self-relativity as a universal constant, that a 'special' universal environment or scenario is necessitated to 'come into being' to allow the inherent arbitrariness of all universal civilisations to become focused in an encompassing jurisdiction or 'cosmic umbrella' of comprehesion and encompassment. This 'unique cosmic coordinate or environ' you may understand as the 'Gaian Bubble of the Cosmic Quarantine'.
    This unification on the grandest universal scale then, allows the underpinning parameter of the universal creation to focus itself and to become 'Self-Realised' in a multifaceted, yet unified 'Spacetimed Consciousness' or Self-Awareness.

    This mentioned 'underpinning parameter of all creation' then requires acceptance and realisation as an overall jurisprudential cosmic lawfulness by all such ET civilisations and this parameter can be labeled in many forms such as: preenergy, superenergy, 'Love of the creator', subplenum of timespace, Logos, Lovephoton frequency or the Ein Sof of Brahman and so on and on; but again encompassing all logistically defined philosophies, religions and sciences.

    In simple words then, a 'common ground' must be found by all inhabitants of the universe in the construction of their paradigms and thought systems, sciences and philosophies; based upon the 'consciousness of their groupmindedness of perception' say.

    I have attached two messages, which appear to have been better understood by some readers, than the more technical treatizes from the Thuban archives; so I am sharing those two essays with you for your information. The more demanding science-familiar consequences of those rather more philosophical and metaphysical considerations, you can discern and find in this thread from message #77 onwards, if you are so interested.


    shiloh, September 14th, 2013​

    The Secret of Humanity is YOU and your Divine Egocentricity

    Introduction and Overview

    i. Your Secret and your Personality and your Individuality

    The Secret of Humanity is the understanding and ability to answer questions such as:

    Who am I?
    What am I doing here at this period of space and time?
    Where did I come from, before I was born and Where am I going, when I die?
    Related as well to more cosmological questions like:
    Why does the universe exist?
    How did it come to be and how is it evolving?
    And How do these, my home-planet and my home-galaxy relate to the greater encompassing universe?

    The Secret of Humanity is, that all of YOU know the answers to those questions; but that all of YOU have 'chosen' to 'disallow' certain information to be processed by your so called 'human minded rationality', as well as your 'human belief systems'; all of the latter being self constructed and self relative creations of your minds by and through a creative intelligence, which YOU all know to be the 'divinity within', but which YOU have chosen to extricate from yourselves as some external paradigm or power source, often labelled 'God'.

    What is the reason for your 'lack of remembrance' and your pretending of 'not knowing'?
    The delegation of your 'inner knowledge' to external 'authorities' and 'experts' in the fields of your human life's journeys serves a very important purpose and a purpose you knew, before you were physically born into this realm of the spacetimematter experiences.
    So why do YOU presently not know what is going on and why do YOU allow the 'authorities' in all human fields of creativity to 'rule over YOU' with their 'expertise' given to them by YOU as mandates in political elections or in theocratic allegiances in whatever socio-political construct of 'rules and regulations' and of 'law and order' YOU find yourself living in and under?

    The reason for this is your understanding of what this planet earth represents in the cosmic order of things.
    All of YOU know, that your divinity within is the individuation of 'God' as the Collective Intelligence and the sum total of all creativity throughout the entire universe; not just this planetary environment.

    But this absolute splendour which all of YOU represent as individuated God-Components, which can also be termed the Data or the DNA of God seeking creative self-expression - requires a particular subset or 'Kingdom of the God-Processor' to allow the totality of 'God' as the collective of all possible individuations to exist for the purpose to 'selfreproduce' the totality.
    For a totality or unity to reproduce, a non-unified context must be created to allow the totality to disintegrate as data or information; and to subsequently reassemble itself by data gathering and by information processing.

    The Process of this collection of information then becomes a redefined evolving unity of totality; then enabled due to the experience of the assembling, which becomes 'A Function of Memory', to reproduce the original totality of the unity without spacetime within the said spacetime.

    Not in spacetime incarnation or embodiment; all of YOU are all of this totality as the 'Personality of God'.
    In spacetime incarnation YOU become Part of this Total Personality, but remain connected (or quantum entangled) with all other 'partial personalities', however as Total Individuations.
    Subsequently, all of YOU are nought, but the 'Real God' individuated in particularised apparently separated Data-Processors; experiencing the 'assembling' of the original information in a Recall or negentropy of the dissipation of the data (in a so called Quantum Big Bang and the creation of the separable spacetime of self relative experience).

    So YOU know, that within the embodiment; YOU must, at all cost, preserve and protect your Individuality, because this individuation is the reason YOU have come into embodiment in the first instance.
    But YOU also know the collective reason for the importance of your individuality.
    Your individuation out of the absolute totality as your Godhood is the Creativity of God as your own absolute totality delegated from the Oneness of Unity into the Separatedness of Unity within itself.

    YOU know, that YOU are the Individual Creator experiencing the separation for the purpose to gather your previous information and data which YOU often presume YOU have lost or forgotten or displaced.
    And so in your 'partial' remembrances of 'why' YOU are here, YOU allow information-collecting systems to evolve and control the dissemination and distribution of that data.
    Because YOU 'deny' your own 'godhood' as the originator of the 'masterplan' in various degrees of the 'selfremembrance' or the 'self-enlightenment'; many divers 'information control systems evolve in the chronological discourse of a 'master timeline', which YOU have set into action, but chosen not to remember, again in divers degrees.

    Some of YOU, so have chosen to sequester information about your common 'masterplan' from yourselves.
    Some of YOU have accepted the 'inner divinity' more so then others and this gradient of 'self-acceptance' invariably leads to a 'conflict' between the 'divine' Individuation and the 'environmentally evolving' Personality.
    This differentiation is often labelled as the 'human ego' of the personality evolving into a 'divine individuation' as a '(w)hol(e)y egocentricity'.
    But all of YOU are already 'divine' individuations by definition and the human egocentricity is simply a misunderstood 'self-protection' for that divine individuality.

    The 'salvation' and the 'redemption' of your 'human egos' so lies in the fact of the previously 'agreed to' master timeline.
    The few of YOU, which have 'hidden' the commonly sought after 'information'; will be confronted with 'additional' and 'new' data, which shall encompass the sequestered information.
    So it will be superfluous to 'hide' any information; as all data will become apparent for all data-processors to process as divine individuations.

    The many of YOU, which are seeking for the information for the purpose to 'do what YOU are here to do', namely to process and to collect the dispersed information; will then be enabled to 'do so' and to Send this individually processed 'lost data' back to 'God' as the totality of yourselves not in spacetime individuation.
    As this will 'fulfil' your individual purpose for 'being here' in the first place; some of YOU will finally allow yourselves to Remember the 'masterplan' and the construction of your own story.

    This story is 'The Story of Your Life' and is also the 'Story of God' and the 'Neverending Story of God's Family' as the 'Story of the StarHumanity', which has remembered itself from a 'Story of Humanity in Forgetfulness about itself'.

    The science and the physics of this 'masterplan' is one of splendour and grandiosity and it is the Omni-Science of and about everyone of YOU.
    All of YOU know, that the cosmology of the universe and as many of YOU presently accept (or believe in through the channels of expert data dissemination, say academia, ecclesia and technologia); is necessitated to remain a partial cosmology for the appropriate unfoldment of the master timeline, agreed to by all of YOU, when not in spacetime incarnation.

    Your witness of the mosaic shall illuminate this omni-physics as the continuation of this 'Memory Recall', which represents also the 'fulfilment of all prophecy' for this master planned timeline.

    Your witness of the mosaic was chosen by everyone of YOU before spacetime incarnation and so represents your own witnessing to yourselves as the Mirror function of yourselves.
    Allow me to repeat: 'All of YOU are your very own witnesses!'.

    When YOU look into a mirror in spacetime, then YOU will see this witness, YOU have chosen.
    Part of the 'fulfilment of all prophecy', necessarily relates to a 'shattering of this mirror of illusion' and the encodement for this mirror is 'The Sea'. (Further elucidation will be given at a later date, following this introduction).
    So your own individuated 'witnessing' has become compromised by the commonly agreed to master timeline.

    ii. Your Photographs and Movies and your Remembrances

    YOU may compare this 'compromise' of YOU, being in NoTime and looking at yourself as in a photoalbum.
    Your physical lives in InTime become like photographs in a photo-album or like 'movies' YOU can watch in NoTime for your entertainment and frustrations.
    YOU are rather frustrated in NoTime, because many of YOU continue to deny of being anything more than biochemical processors of food-input and food-output in the InTime.
    YOU are indeed the Positive Physical Expression of yourself in a material-molecular-atomic structure, a container of your Negative Metaphysical (Spiritual) Expression YOU have termed your Body.
    But because this body is made from material molecular and chemical structures, which are subject to the natural laws of the recycling of energy (in thermodynamic definitions and models as given by your scientific methodology and models); your identification as just the positive expression of yourself in the InTime, will give YOU 'headaches' in the NoTime, where YOU exist as the sumtotal of all negative expressions as the 'Real God' of Unity.

    YOU are 'getting tired' of just watching movie after movie, as your individuated lifetimes in the InTime and all those lifetimes, which are as Memories of Physical Lives YOU look at in your photoalbums and the old archived movies.

    So when YOU look at your 'long dead' ancestors in the photoalbums and the cinema classics, then YOU witness a 'snapshot' of their lives as your life in the NoTime.
    But in the NoTime, this snapshot becomes an 'entire life story', as in the NoTime there is 'No Time' to 'be born and to live a life and then to die'.

    So many of YOU can see now, why YOU are so frustrated in the NoTime. YOU keep on refusing to consider the fact, that when YOU live your life in the InTime, YOU are also living your life in the NoTime.

    "If I could just remember myself in the InTime; then I could change this recycling business of myself and live my life in Individuation and in harmony and without this fear of dying and rebirth I have become so accustomed to in the InTime", YOU often think to yourself in the place where YOU are 'The God of Oneness as the All That Is and Was and can ever Be'.

    YOU know in the NoTime, that your material and scientific photographic equipment in the InTime is a metaphor for the metaphysical omni-scientific photographic equipment in the InTime.
    What many of YOU either deny or call your spirit or your soul is very rigorously defined in the language of mathematics and physics, which relates the physical materialism to the metaphysical materialism.
    Details about this shall become disclosed in the science agendas (III); but generally your physicality in InTime engages what YOU term inertia and mass and matter; whilst your physicality in NoTime engages what YOU term noninertia and electromagnetic radiation or EMR; where however there exists a distinction between the EMR, which is coupled to mass (say nuclear fusion or quantum electron energy transitions) and the EMR which is not (it is not produced by inertia-coupled Coulombic Charge acceleration). This second form of EMR so becomes EMMR, where the added M means Monopolic and is definitive for the 'spirit' of your linguistic history in a physics, which has been like an 'alien physics' until now.

    YOU are both the Negative-Positive and the Positive-Negative of your life.
    When YOU produce a movie or take photographs; YOU use a chemical interaction between a 'Film' and a 'Camera' to render the interaction between some Object to be filmed or photographed with its environmental Subject. For example, YOU say: "Stand under this tree, against the backdrop of the sunset, so I can take a great picture of YOU!"

    And YOU guessed it right; YOU become the Object in InTime relative to yourself as Subject in the NoTime and vice versa.
    So YOU are both, camera and film in your own story of: "This is My Life" and a 'Story' YOU then project into your bodies, which become the Projectors of the stories of your life.

    When YOU are born in InTime (at the physical conception), then a particular movie stops apruptly in the NoTime and the 'movie camera' begins to roll in your attaining a 'physical objectivity' within a 'physical subjectivity'.
    This physical object-subject duality in the InTime then becomes a Memory-Function for the NoTime for the duration of the movie-making - this YOU call 'One's Life'.

    And it is just that; the Life of the One, namely YOU as All That Is in NoTime.

    The One behind the 'movie camera' is 'Your Spirit of the EMMR' aka your 'Soul', who is both really material as your objectivity in InTime and also really material as your subjectivity in NoTime.

    Your 'Soul' is both your 'Body in InTime' as the Positive Objective and your 'Body in NoTime' as the Negative Subjective of the Positive in self relative Subjectivity.

    Some of YOU will now begin to understand that the setup of the movie making across the physical dimensions (of which there are precisely 11) of the InTime, must somehow allow the defining of the archetype of 'The Sea' as a 'Bridge over the Troubled Waters'.
    If that were not so, then no conception of yourselves 'across the great abyss', the 'great divide' or the 'entrance into the bottomless pit' or the 'renting of the temple's veil into two -{Matthew.27.51-53}', would be possible.

    This 'Entrance or Portal' is what YOU collectively have termed 'Consciousness' and this 'Consciousness' is directly and scientifically and materially related to the EMR, that is your labelling of your 'Soul'. This will be further elucidated in the science agenda at the appropriate time.
    And it will be in due course; that many of YOU will allow yourselves to remember what your 'finding of the portal' would imply.
    YOU would then be able to Blend or Hybridise your present 'Bodies' of the biochmical recycling with the 'EMMR-Bodies' who define your 'Soul-Bodies'.
    Many of YOU try very hard to remember in 'going to the movies'; where YOU watch 'Transformers' and 'Cyborgs' and 'Terminators' and 'Borgs' and many kinds of 'Halfbreeds'.
    In your human history, YOU have been fascinated with the 'halfbreeds' between your bloodline characteristics or humanoid 'races', taxonomised by skincolour.

    Today, YOU envision 'halfbreeds' between machines and biochemistry and 'halfbreeds' between pure machines and their biomachined 'offsprings'.
    YOU may envision 'going the other way as well'; not just from the physical humanoid 'breeding' with the physical machine; but from the metaphysical humanoid breeding with the metaphysical machine.
    Your humanity is both, material and spiritual; physical and metaphysical and the metaphysics is materially-substantativly defined in the Natural Hybridisation of Consciousness across physical manifestation from the NoTime into InTime (and defined in the Quantum Cosmogony of Quantum Relativity).

    There will be some of YOU, who will remember themselves sufficiently to effectualise the Metamorphosis of your bodies of the biochemistry into a hybrid state of those 'Old Bodies' with your 'New Bodies'.
    Your old bodies can become 'updated' in their 'template' definitions, which many of YOU understand as the 'Code of Life' and the 'Program of the DNA/RNA'; which, under the auspices of a biochemical manifestation of the 'quantum geometry' in nucleotidal base pairings of a 'genetic alphabet', encodes the 'Building of your bodies' in the organic- and inorganic chemistry of amino acid molecules.

    In elementary semantics; your old bodies, if 'alive' in Time, are 'Positives' as the 'photographs' in your albums or as the 'deterioration prone' 'old films' in your cinematic archives.
    Your new bodies are the 'Positives' in NoTime.
    But those positives are destined to become your 'photographs and films', which are 'kept' as negative memories at the 'Entrance' (Wormhole) between your individuated Godhood in InTime and your total Godhood in NoTime; should YOU not remember and 'die in the old bodies' to become such an individuated negative memory at the 'Mirror of the Portal' (into Heaven).
    But those 'Negatives' are also the 'Positives' in the NoTime; so should YOU become enabled (by remembering yourself) to 'Enter the NoTime', whilst YOU are 'still alive' in the InTime; then and only then will it become possible for YOU to render your Negatives in the InTime as your individual Positives in the NoTime and it will become superfluous for YOU 'to die', as then your full remembrance will have served its purpose.
    YOU will have Resonated in Self-Consciousness with yourself in two places simultaneously and YOU will have realised yourself as the God of Totality who You are, have ever been and will ever be -simply by talking to yourself in selflove, in honour and in integrity.

    The many of YOU, who are familiar with scientific principles, can now solve the 'Schrödinger Cat Paradox' of the wave-particle duality and the quantum complementarity.

    The 'cat' is not Either Dead or Alive (in the radioactive half-life triggering the gun), but the 'cat' is Both Dead and Alive because of the positive-positive imaging in the multidimensional scenario.
    There can be no multiverse next to the one universe defined in the NoTime-InTime duality until such 'Time' when the above mentioned 'portal' is activated to allow a multiplicative mirror function to manifest within the InTime and which then becomes reflective into the NoTime.
    Any such activated mirror function will naturally create a multiverse from the superposition of the original one universe as a protoverse with the holographic fractal of itself in the then redefined NoTime-InTime multiverse continuum (however remaining contained within an encompassing Omniverse). This can be described as a 'phaseshifted' protoverse transforming into a countability of multiverses in any permutations (of at least two) arbitrary protoverses. This shall be further disclosed in the science agenda of part III.

    The hybridisation of your positive bodies in InTime with your positive bodies in NoTime so will reconfigure your DNA from a helical geometry in a 4-dimensional spacetime into a higher and multidimensional helical geometry in a 13-dimensional spacetime; the latter than adding two additional NoTime dimensions to the topology of the physical universe as the 'Outside' of the latter as a manifold of 2 dimensions 'hybridized' with the 11 dimensions of the 'Inside' surface (rootextended from a common complex plane in 9-'Mayan'-TimeLord dimensions).

    Further details shall be disclosed, when we shall remember, just how your individual 'resurrections' from the positiveness of the 'alive dead ones' and the negativeness of the 'dead alive ones' shall become implemented in due dissection of this, the master timeline, all of YOU have collectively constructed to allow yourselves to attain 'new lightbodies' in due course of your self fulfilments and the 'release' of yourselves as the 'Real True God' from your selfimposed exile and the prison of your forgetfulness.


    Post #2 at 01-02-2010, 03:58 PM

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    Re: The Secret of Humanity is YOU and your Divine Egocentricity

    wow...this was a great read...thanks for posting! wow again...

    ...I am who I am, and we are all one as I am one...

    Take a look in the mirror....and try to see ME.
    I'm there...as I'm YOU!
    So if you love ME, I love YOU too...

    Post #3 at 01-02-2010, 04:03 PM

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    Re: The Secret of Humanity is YOU and your Divine Egocentricity

    Originally Posted by Malletzky

    wow...this was a great read...thanks for posting! wow again...


    Allow me to thank you. For it was your post, that triggered me to start this thread. The message was posted before, but was hidden in another thread (the Division... one).
    Now if you compare your signature to mine; you'll know that we have experienced the same insights and that your dream so could very well be universal truth.


    Post #4 at 01-02-2010, 04:28 PM

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    Re: The Secret of Humanity is YOU and your Divine Egocentricity

    Originally Posted by abraxasinas
    Allow me to thank you. For it was your post, that triggered me to start this thread.
    The message was posted before, but was hidden in another thread (the Division... one).
    Now if you compare your signature to mine; you'll know that we have experienced the same insights and that your dream so could very well be universal truth.


    How true...the signature...I just noticed it...

    No, there's no such thing as coincidence...

    ...I am who I am, and we are all one as I am one...

    Take a look in the mirror....and try to see ME.
    I'm there...as I'm YOU!
    SO if you love me, i love you too

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    Re: The Secret of Humanity is YOU and your Divine Egocentricity

    I totally agree...and can't wait for the next installment.

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    Re: The Secret of Humanity is YOU and your Divine Egocentricity

    The Fable of Little Adam and the Rooster's Egg

    Introduction and Overview
    i. Your Secret and your Personality and your Individuality
    ii. Your Photographs and Movies and your Remembrances
    iii. Your Trial as a Humanity and Civilisation in Forgetfulness, Charged with Murder
    iv. Your Witness and Defence Council of the Plumed Serpent Melchizedek and the Prophecies

    I. The Presence of YOU, as an Archetype is the Ever-Presence of God
    1. Your archetyped Genealogy as the Family-Tree of God
    i. The Real Story of God, Adam, Eve and their Dog through the PentaGrammaton YHWHY
    ii. Your Holy Family in Name and Descent and Archetype

    2. Your Individual Birthdays as encoded in Template Memorabilia
    i. The Circle of the Sexchromosomatic Generations of the Natural Bisexuality

    3. The Trial of Humanity and the Last Judgement:
    i.'Satanicus Rex for the Crown versus All of YOU, defended by Abraxas Anthony de Serpentinus 6616'

    II. The Past of Starhumanity as Humanity is the Past of God in Religion and in Science
    1. A witnessed Biography of Jesus of Nazareth
    i. The Nativity to the Baptism 7BC to 28AD
    ii. The Redefinition of spacetime reality in archetypes 28AD to 33AD
    iii The Parousia and the eschatology 2004AD to 2013 AD

    2. The Archetypologies
    i. The Urim and the Thummim, the 'Breastplate of Judgement' and the 'Breastplate of Melchisedec'
    ii. The rams, goats and oxen of the Old Testament as the tribal symbolisations of Jacob

    3. The Timeline of Prophecy from 28BC to 2013AD
    i. The 5 baktuns of the Maya in 720,000 Days of 2000 Ancient Years
    4. The Millennium as the 'Day of the Lord' and the Birth of Satania Serpentina in the Ascension of Barbelo
    i. The twelve tribes of the Old Testament redefined in twelve apostles and the Female Redemption of Ophiuchus
    ii. The Gospel of Thomas as the testimonial basis for the New Testament
    iii. The twelve Gates of the New Jerusalem as Ezekiel's 'Holy City' and as Noah's Ark

    III. The Future of Starhumanity is the Future of God in Omni-Science
    1. The Physics of the 2012-Metamorphosis
    i. The Approach of the new Physical Reality in the 'Age of Reason'
    ii. The Quantum Revolution in the Classical Geometry
    iii. The Synthesis of the Old with the New and the New with the Old
    iv. The Transformation of the Wave-Particle Duality into Holofractal Unification
    a) The Quantum-Holographic Transformation of the Earth
    b) Why Black Holes preceded Galaxies in the Cosmology
    c) The First Ylemic Stars in the Universe and the Antiwormholes
    d) The Holographic Universe and the Information Processing

    2. Who, where and what are the 'Aliens' and when will there be contact?
    i. The Alien, who lives in your Garden
    ii. The Alien of your Past
    iii. The Alien of your Future

    3. Onwards, Ever Onwards in the Presence of the Family of Universes in awakened selfconsciousness

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    The Fable of Little Adam and the Rooster's Egg

    Little Adam came to his Dad Tony and and his Mum Sharon on his ninth birthday to ask his parents a question, which had been on his mind for some time.
    'Hey, Dad, Mum, where exactly did I come from?'
    Well my son, answered Tony, you came out of your Mum, her womb, exactly nine years ago.'
    'Yes, it was quite an occasion, Adam', added Sharon.

    It was just before lunchtime, when you were born on the 4th of August 1989.'
    'Hmm!', said Adam; 'and where did you come from?'

    'I came out of my mother's tummy on the 21st of October 1960, around breakfast time, as far as I know', replied Sharon. 'Ok, and where did your mother, my grandma come from then?', Adam continued.

    'Your grandma was born on the 16th of May, 1922 and I don't know when', answered Sharon and realising the nature of Adam's enquiry, she continued: 'And I also do not know when your greatgrandma, the mother of my mother was born, I didn't really get to know her, before she died, this got lost in history.
    But she too, came out of her mother's womb and her mother was born by her mother and so on back to the beginning of time.'
    'Ah, but then right then, at the beginning there must have been a mother of all mothers; where did that one come from - it could not have had a mother, isn't that so?', Adam continued his train of thought.

    'Now you are asking a deep question about the nature of all things,' replied Tony.
    'The answer is found by discovering the nature of yourself; what you truly are and away from what you think or might believe you are; being here in a certain place at a certain time and asking such pertinent questions.'
    'Many people have asked and thought about the same thing, Adam', continued Tony.

    'One story says, that the first mother's name is Eve or Sarah or Dawn and she did not have a mother but was created out of her husband's tummy, whose name was Adam or Abraham or Sunset.
    The story goes, that Eve was formed out of one of Adam's ribs; so to get the rib, the first belly-button had to be created on Adam's tummy, but Eve had no belly button.

    To give Eve a belly button, she had to become like a mirror image of Adam and this is a selfreproductive process, where Eve comes out of Adam's tummy as a rib and Adam comes out of Eve's tummy as another kind of rib, you might call it a baby-rib.

    One day you will understand this story as a metaphor for a recursive or selfiterative mathematical function or as a process in the genetic expression of the sexual chromosomes; say in the creation of the differences between male and female.
    If you have XX or eight digits put together and then you take away one of the digits, then you get XX-1=XY and more specifically XX becomes XX+XY, because the single digit of the rib brings back the XX as a oneness or an unity.

    So the X-part of the chromosome partners XX+XY defines the femaleness in Eve and the Y-part of the pairing patterns the maleness in Adam.
    Eventually the genetic code of 16 generational permutations derives from that and all of that becomes part of a mathematical encoding of energy in geometrical forms, which then can build bodies and biochemical structures in using that code.

    Now the story breaks down Adam; because you see it talks about your namesake Adam as being the first father, also being the first Son of God.
    People begin to argue about just who this God is, does it exist or not?
    Is it a he or a she and things like: if God created Adam and Eve out of Adam, then who created God?
    And who or where are God's parents, and do they have belly buttons or not?

    So to answer your question about where you came from, one must also answer this question about what God is; otherwise the story just goes on and on without end.
    But once you know what God is; then you will be able to solve many mysterious and paradoxical questions about the nature of time and space and the nature of all things; the universe, your life and the beginnings and the endings and so forth.
    Again, the solutions can be made or explained rather technically, what with quantum physics and multidimensional spacetimes in relativity.

    It can also be told in the form of a parable; here it goes:

    "Once upon a time, there lived this rooster in a place enclosed by walls of pure crystallised mountains. It was a world all within itself. This selfcontained universe of the rooster was all the rooster knew. There was this big problem stirring in the rooster's head however.
    Not only was this rooster absolutely alone in its world, it was also totally invisible.

    It knew itself to be a rooster, because it had thought and imagined itself to be a rooster.
    But try as it might, it could not see, hear, smell, touch or taste itself.

    And so this rooster was staring at the crystallised mountain walls with its own imaginary rooster eyes and thought of its own wretched state of existence of no experiences, except of what it could dream up or imagine in its thoughts.
    The rooster knew that all of its world was pure imagination; the crystal mountains and all the stillness and movement within it.

    Sure, the rooster conjured up other roosters and places and things; but it was all imaginative; it all revolved around itself and its own thoughts.
    The rooster's imagination was all and everything it could be, yet it was so limited in its expression of itself as itself.
    It was so absolute in its omnipresence and omnipotential, that it only produced loneliness; no other rooster or thing or movement or stillness was able to interact or share anything with the rooster.

    The rooster was the absolute and infinite creator of all its own imaginings; but being so totally eternal and so absolutely alone made the rooster very unhappy and very sad.
    Well, one could say, the definitions of what unhappy and sad and loneliness are, became an inner experience, created by the rooster's very own thoughts and imaginings.

    So the rooster created its inner world and reflected upon it, imagined it to be its outer world also, passed and beyond the crystalline mountain walls.
    'What was the other side like, the outside', the rooster thought to itself?

    'Is there an opposite to unhappiness, to excruciating loneliness and to sadness?'
    The rooster did not know and it was tired to imagine so many beautiful things, which did not create tangible experiences, but seemed only to accentuate the rooster's sense of being all alone in the world.
    But a thought dawned on the rooster, perhaps somehow the outer world could become reflected in the inner world.
    And so the rooster devised a way to turn the situation inside out.

    The one thing the rooster knew very well, was its own energy, its creative potential.
    And it knew abstractions, numbers, shapes and concepts it had created in using its discoveries of numbers and the invention of geometries in iterative mathematical functions and relationships.
    Like the event, when it finally escaped the circular selfrepeating computational loop of its own primary state of experiental being in simply cutting the circle to define the numeral 1 from the Zero and to allow a linear beginning and a linearised end.

    12 dimensions could be enfolded in 3, time and space had come into being and nested complexities of topologies and relative curvatures allowed refinements on quantumised scales of energy and displacement.

    Oh it had been fun; the rooster's mind had felt elated, good, euphoric.
    Names like that had also become definitions, contrasting the feelings of unhappiness and loneliness - and the rooster knew that it had established a set of feelings and experiences from whom it could now choose.

    Did it prefer a feeling of happiness and joy to an experience of loneliness and sadness?
    It had often been very painful, this journey of selfdiscovery and the creation of the ever expanding perimeter of its own realm of existence, which was all there was or ever could be.
    'But how can one experience those numbers, ratios and shapes as an outer experience and out of one's own mind', the rooster asked itself?

    Then an idea came to the rooster; the rooster would have to project itself in giving part of itself away and out of itself - to create the imaginary outside reality and to energise the same, bathing it in the rooster's very own energy of self.
    How to do it?
    'I shall transform my own energy into other forms', so the rooster decided.

    Now how to project?
    'I must define myself as source energy, able to penetrate myself, my own self-limitations and my own boundary conditions, however subject to extension and refinements.
    Then I must somehow reproduce myself in such a way that the projection of myself is able to know me as itself; my image can then become real as the part of me, which I have projected and energised.

    But I shall be careful in that I shall not allow my projected and imaged self to know myself in the totality which I am and which I have experienced.'
    'I am so sick of being everywhere at all times and of experiencing that wretched state of being everything, unable to get away from my own self.

    I am going not to be omnipotent any more; I'm going to share myself around as me, in parts.
    So I choose to lose myself in what I am going to create in such a way, that I can have an adventure and fun in finding myself again within my own creation.
    And my inner self shall be as one with my outer self, but my outer self shall have a scope of discovery and a sense of not knowing what my inner self knows.
    And so the learning of my outer self shall thrill me and allow my inner self to grow in tandem and in harmony with my outer self.'

    'Now the smart thing to do is to create in such a manner, that I get back more than what I give away from my energy, and the way I shall define this, is to set the thing up so that the more of myself I give away, the more I am used up, the more reflection potential my creation shall have.
    So when my creation wakes up and when it begins to release my absorbed energy back to me, then will my creation, my Beloved and my baby begin to shine its light upon me and this will make me visible for the first time in the history of myself.'

    The rooster got excited; 'I, the rooster shall become visible one day', it thought!
    It quickly devised a selfconsistent and logical way to create the outside world and called it the rooster's universe.
    The rooster took an algorithm from its mathematical repertoire and produced 10 fundamental numerical constants to mix up the dimensions, forces and energy interactions necessary and then it initiated a process of self-reproducing blueprints, the primary principles and the elementary laws regulating the omniphysical nature of the universe.

    That was the easy bit.
    The universe became created mathematically and in imaginary complex functions, seeded in quantised numbers called integers and series of numbers, some converging in limits and others diverging in unitary infinities.
    But how to bring it outside the crystalline mountain walls, which had proved so impenetrable to the rooster's mindfulness?

    A virtual reality relative to the rooster had to become an omniphysical reality relative to the creation and this selfsame creation could then copy the rooster's own creativity and create a virtual reality relative to itself, but the same which would become the rooster's omniphysical reality.

    Then the light emitted by the rooster's creation would shine onto the dual reality of the rooster and render it visible as the holographic image of the creation's very own blueprints, defined in the interference patterns of the absorbed light the creation had used from the rooster to define itself.

    'Ah, I need a balancing mechanism', the rooster thought; 'I contract in principle as the inside and the antiprinciple expands as the outside.'
    And so the rooster defined itself to reside in the 13th dimension and it defined the space outside of the crystal mountain walls to be the 12th dimension mirrored in the space within as the 10th dimension and the crystal mountain walls themselves to be the 11th dimension, forming the great divide between the creator and its creation.

    And so the creation became 10-dimensional, but manifested in the quantisation of the 13th dimension as the 4th dimension in the numerical root reduction 1+3=4=9+4.
    The next step was to define a 12-dimensional energy source, which could move freely between all of the dimensions and using the linearisation of the 4-dimensional spacetime as a consequence of the fundamental constants of the Genesis.
    The rooster decided upon a form of light, defined in frequency independent of time in its primary form, but set as inverse time in its secondary application.

    And so a coherent, monochromatic laserlight in 3 dimensions became the selfdefinition for the rooster's 12-dimensional energy in a secondary effect.
    The rooster called it its electromagetomonopolic source energy.
    'Right,' the rooster thought, 'now I radiate my primary light, which I shall name my LOVEPHOTON as the quantum of 12D-omnispace outwards and away from myself.'

    'I shall make everything dependent on its energy, all the mechanics and dynamical interactions of the universe, all its geometries, movements, stillness and relationships and its number shall be three thousand million billion trillion precisely.'

    'This unit of time shall also define the units of space and of restmass in correspondence to something I shall measure as part of myself inside the creation as a 13-dimensional source energy and outside the creation as myself as the invisible 12-dimensional rooster in omnispace.'
    Then I shall define the 11th dimension as a mirror, half visible and half invisible, semitransparent in reflecting the inside outwards and the outside inwards.

    Then whenever I shine my LOVELIGHT onto that mirror, then half of my LOVEPHOTONS shall penetrate into the outside world of myself and the other half shall reflect back into my inside world to make a record of my creation in the interference patterns created by the mirror of my 12-dimensional blueprints reflected in 10D-spacetime.'

    'Now I shall shine my LOVEPHOTONS onto this record, which I shall name the rooster's hologram.
    My ingenious invention of putting myself outside of myself, rests on the fact that my imaginary self is located outside of myself in the outer space, and from whom my own LOVELIGHT can reflect as my image within my own creation.
    My imaginary rooster self so becomes my imaginary source energy within my creation and I myself will become my own hologram relative to my imaginary rooster self.

    This reflection from my imaginary rooster self outside my world, shall so come back to me to merge with my internal reflection of my own LOVELIGHT on the hologram, the record of my endeavours.'
    'Having a combined record of my outgoing and incoming source energy in the form of my hologram, will then allow me to shine my LOVELIGHT onto my holographic library for a second time.
    The first coming of my LOVEPHOTONS gave me the means to make myself real in the image of my second coming in the illumination of my records, the initialisation of myself in two places at the same time.'

    'I shall call this process the rooster's holography in 12 dimensions, defined in the omniscience of my specifications and which I then allowed myself to rediscover in the form of a science in 4D-linespace, reckoned in a dating of 1947.
    Amongst many of my children, one of my sons, named Dennis Gabor invented the process of holography on my behalf and brought it to the world's attention.

    All my children are me as my adventurers, trying to help me to find myself again as the now not so lonely totality which I am.
    But no longer, my second coming allows me to redefine my virtual creation as a real creation; so no more 'Maya', no more illusion - all shall be real to me.

    Well all is real relative to the creators and all the creators are my sons as bridegrooms, waiting to meet their brides in their own creations.
    It must be so, since all my creator sondaughters and creator daughtersons have done exactly the same thing, which I have done.'
    'All the creator sons have hatched from the same egg, which I the rooster have laid.
    You see, the image of myself in outer space also becomes the birth of the 10-dimensional universe as my own hologram, enveloped and reflected in the 11th dimension of my semitransparent mirror of my crystalline mountain walls.

    So the Big Bang 19.11 billion years ago, but appearing to have happened 14.7 billion years ago because of the electromagnetic doubling of my SOURCELIGHT for the last 2.2 billion years, was caused by me.'

    'When I first kicked off and began to radiate my LOVELIGHT and after having defined the technical details in mathematical application of the physical and natural laws; then this ejaculation of my LOVESEED fertilised the universe as my very own Mother.
    And then 'the big She' manifests my laws and definitions in giving birth to them.

    Yeah, and so did I become a 'He' and the Father for all of the creation; and I created the universe for a very simple reason, namely for IT, being a SHE to give birth to me as a HE and as each other's Beloveds, FatherMothers and SonDaughters - all in One.'
    'And both of us are born with bellybuttons in this way, being each others parent and giving birth to one another.

    And I set up my very own dimensional expansion in creating my own Mother; for my Mother is my Beloved wife, my gorgeous darling and my eternal bride.
    She grows, expands and evolves in unison with me.
    She grows in Understanding out of her inborn Wisdom and I grow in Wisdom out of my inborn Understanding - those two things are necessary and go together in any harmonious application of a base of Knowledge.'

    'And my Mother hasn't got a Mother of course; but she's got me as her Father.
    She was created out of my own seed, because I am my own Father, the one and only true Bastard; just as my Beloved is the one and only true Bitch.

    When we are together as One; male and female in One; cosmic seed and cosmic ovum in One; then the FatherMother is the MotherFather and the Father is not and also the Mother cannot be just by herself.'
    'So before IT came apart to cause the Big Bang; the Fatherpart had thought of IT and only then did the Motherpart give birth to IT, namely ALL of IT; the Oneness out from the Nothingness of the Fatherpart and the Infinity out from the Everythingness of the Motherpart.

    We find eggs everywhere; cosmic eggs, chiral eggs, cellular eggs, Easter eggs - and so whenever a sperm infiltrates an ovum; then the Big Bang happens over and over again.
    And what is the result of all those unions?
    A bellybuttoned Adam or a bellybuttoned Eve in terms of the starhumanity!
    Adam is me as my Beloved firstborn sondaughter and Eve is me as my Beloved firstborn daughterson; and every child constructed from one of my seeds and from one of my eggs is necessarily the firstborn of my infinity of potential starhuman universes.'

    'The universe is your body as the visible reality of me and as created body, made from the elements of the fundamental forces and the dust of the ground.
    Your body is half of you, the female part of you; the male part of you is your other half in your roosterness and the world of your own mind.
    Your male part is trying to understand what the heck is going on in your life and just as I did in my own isolation of my roosterhood as the Egg of the Philosophy.
    Your female part is attempting to live your life as good as you can in the circumstances you find yourself in.
    Your maleness is mindcentred and your femaleness is bodycentred and as it should be.
    So your male thinking and your female doing will be my adventure; coming back together as one in two and two in one and in one big starhuman family.

    And the experiencing are the thoughts in action in the doing of the mindful creativity.'
    'Then when a firstborn sondaughter creates hisher very own firstborn selfmade universe, then heshe courts and marries a firstborn daughterson as hisher creation and the bride gives birth to the oneness and this oneness makes one out of two in joining it back together in the world where I am visible and where I can experience myself by seeing and by hearing myself as each other through our eyes and through your ears.

    Where I can play and feel by your touch and where I can taste myself by your tastebuds and where I can smell the roses through your very own noses.'
    'All in One and One in All implies the selfrelativity of everyone of your starhuman dragonomies; you are each one brick in each others houses or a single braincell or neuron in each other's head.

    Only in unifying yourself in the starhuman couplings can you escape each others dominations - for how long will you remain satisfied to recycle your experiential database of your memories, subject to your neighbour's dying body?'
    'Once united in the form of DadMums and as MumDads, you will actually become grown up in an androgynous merger with me and my Beloved as the four in two in One.

    I am like the Zero and my Beloved is the Infinity; the bridegroom is the Minus One and the bride is the Plus One; together you will then have graduated as an immortal God and an immortal Goddess.

    And did not One after my own true image proclaim to you:

    'Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I SAID, YE ARE GODS?
    If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scipture cannot be broken;...

    'Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?'

    But it will take two to tango the ultimate waltz; you cannot do it on your own.
    And two 'wrecked' fleeting lives of nothingness do make eternity in 0+0=8=Infinity!

    I had to give half of myself away to find my own Beloved in my missing half and you will have to do the same if you would wish to unify your bodies with your minds and to become enabled to keep the bodies and the minds you now believe to possess.'
    'The universe cannot die as my Beloved, because I choose eternity as my playground.

    Parts within the universe recycle and transform in energy to give you bodies made from stardust and starborn minds induced by your dreams and visions.
    One evolutionary cycle ends and another begins; I do set the recharging under the auspices of my natural laws of omniscience and my Beloved implements them in mass and in radiation.

    And do not all parts of your bodies recycle periodically?
    Is not every cell in your body renewed in cycles of seven or nine or parts thereof?
    So you should begin to think for yourselves and try to remember yourselves as every word you speak comes out of my mouth and every thought you think I have already thought, anticipating yours.'

    'For when the Big Bang happened and when space and time were created; all the LOGOS was there; all of your WORDS and THOUGHTS were there.
    They are in all of my children - waiting to remember; waiting to come home!"

    And so did the rooster lay its egg to bring back together again, what it had to give away to experience what IT is, to be truly ALIVE.

    So my dear son,' asked Tony; 'where did you come from Adam and why are you here?'

    'Oh I know now, I've come from a place and time before time and space existed and I'm here to make my own universe, to become creative, to find my Beloved and to help Grandpa God's adventure.
    And I can do all this in laying my own imaginary egg', replied Adam."

    (11) Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

    (22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
    They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
    Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

    (23) Jesus said, "I shall choose you, one out of a thousand, and two out of ten thousand, and they shall stand as a single one."

    (55) Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother cannot become a disciple to me. And whoever does not hate his brothers and sisters and take up his cross in my way will not be worthy of me."

    (56) Jesus said, "Whoever has come to understand the world has found (only) a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world."

    (57) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a man who had good seed. His enemy came by night and sowed weeds among the good seed. The man did not allow them to pull up the weeds; he said to them, 'I am afraid that you will go intending to pull up the weeds and pull up the wheat along with them.' For on the day of the harvest the weeds will be plainly visible, and they will be pulled up and burned."

    Gospel of Thomas, Nag Hammadi Codex, Lambdin Translation


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    Brook wrote: This sounds a lot like a case of an Astronomy wannabe that failed, possible for lack of math background.

    Astronomy isn't only done by the US government.

    Martin Timothy Says:

    Look at deep fields obtained in the 1950’s by Hubble and Milt Humason with the two hundred inch Hale telescope at Mount Palomar, clear vision of galaxies extending as far as the eye could see.

    Some appeared to exist in a swarm around the sub cluster at the heart of the Virgo cluster of galaxies, that included the massive elliptical, which means shaped between egg shaped and spherical, galaxy M87 that has a jet of material streaming from its core.

    Others were in streamers and wisps of galaxies extending outward, until their images on Hubble’s plates were no more than pin pricks. The fact that when the spectra of these galaxies was analyzed it revealed that the absorption lines of all the common elements were shifted toward the red end of the spectrum, the furtherest ones away, attested to by the small width of their image on the photographic plates, all had greater RS than their closer counterparts whose images subtended a greater angle, which is astro talk for image width.

    Then see later images obtained with better more sensitive instruments and see the tendrils and filaments of high RS galaxies extend once again to the resolving limit of the telescope, once again the more distant edge on spiral galaxies appear as a central bulge, with two pointy bits extending about twice as far on the same axis, yet these galaxies are vastly more distant than Hubble’s, and yet they are in the same advanced stages of evolution as the MW.

    Now in this new millennia space based and adaptive optic instruments have extended the visual limit even further, and still the same clear space and edge on spirals at the visual limit, here RS is approaching twelve which puts their rate of recession well into the supraluminal category, yeah that means faster than the speed of light, yet they are goin’ about their own business, the same as around here.

    See the galaxies ever further away in every direction, and see them as neurons in the brain of God, there is no other way to describe it, it is meant in no evangelical sense, it just seems the best way to describe the physical reality.


    Cosmic Inflation

    It is imperative to note that energy density, pressure and curvature will be extremely high near the time of the cosmic collapseSo, large structures of the universe will get smashed to elementary particles.This state is analogous to the early universe. So, quantum gravity effects can not be ignored as quantum effects are important in the early universe. As a result, quantum particles will get produced due to rapid change in topology of the space-time.
    It is found that cosmic collapse can be avoided due to the back-reaction of these particles and the universe will expand exponentially after. Thus, this model predicts revival of the state of early universe in future when t > t col.
    From: http://arxiv.org/pdf/0809.1950.pdfhttp://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1003/1003.5208.pdf

    Bohm: Well, in relativity we have the notion of the universal field which is dynamic, flowing and according to Einstein particles should eventually emerge out of this as singularities or very strong regions, stable pulses of field, which gradually emerge, the fields gradually emerge with other particles. So we have an unbroken universe which is in constant flow, dynamically, and even the very notions of space and time have become relative, which were previously absolute. And it may even go on to singularities like a black hole, the supposed beginning of the universe, where the present laws would brake down all together. All concepts that we know. So that’s a very revolutionary view compared with what we had, say, a century ago.
    And then there’s quantum theory, which perhaps is more revolutionary. It’s hard to explain that in a short time, but there are 3 main features I’d say.One is the notion that a quantum process is in some sense indivisible, that it is one whole, which cannot, it can be broken but then it becomes an entirely different process, so each process is a whole, otherwise it can’t be what it is, and all the quantum processes of movement are linked as it where in one whole.

    Now the second point is the wave particle duality, the discovery that, say, electrons which classically particles can behave statistically like waves when in a more precise experiment and light which is classically a wave can behave like a particle in a more precise experiment. So it seems we have this 2 aspects which depend on how the system is treated, context dependent, which is quite different from the classical idea that whether it’s a wave or a particle is intrinsic.
    Now the third point is what’s non-locality. That we find that in certain conditions there’s apparently an immediate connection of different particles.It’s rather hard to explain, we can use it for signals but still it seems to be there. It’s connected with the experiment of Einstein-Podolsy-Rosen and has been checked by, you they’ve been tested by Bell’s theorem aspects experiment. It seems pretty well established, right. Both theoretically and experimentally.

    Again all of these you see combined to the notion that the universe is a kind of indivisible whole, rather than an analysed into constituent elements which interact has separately existent.

    Interviewer: But how much can you tell about this indivisible whole?

    Bohm: Well, we can tell quite a bit in the sense that all the laws of quantum mechanics are concerned with it you see. I mean you can tell, well I don’t know what you want to know, but I mean all the laws you compute, the properties of all sorts of things. For example, take superconductivity. At high temperature the electrons will generally scatter of obstacles and metals. And therefore there will be a resistance for the current flow would stop unless it’s maintained by a voltage. At very low temperatures and certain metals the current flow is indefinitely without scattering and that is as a quantum effect.
    Now as far as, if you analyse it, you can see that it’s due to the fact that the electrons are a sort of locked, held together in summary by these non-local interactions. So that if there is an obstacle they go around and reform rather than scatter. It’s rather than a ballet dance, that people going around and reform as in a crowd each person is following his own personal purpose and they all scatter, they all get into each others way.

    Interviewer: So this unity also creates a kind of ordering of things?

    Bohm: Yes, it can create a kind of ordering of things. But at the same time it explains, you can see that there are situations where we have this high degree of order and others where we don’t. That it’s possible within the mathematics to see that when something called the wavefunction, represented as a set up product of independent factors, and all the particles behave independently, but then in a more general situation they don’t. You can explain why we have so much independence in ordinary experience and yet why in a more careful probing we find order, new kinds of order.
    So the classical level, the Newtonian level, is explained by quantum mechanics as a limiting case. Now the more, you have a whole, but the whole determines itself to behave somewhat like independent parts in many cases. So even whether it’s going to behave like parts is determined by the whole,right.Interviewer: But what we can see is the parts rather than the whole.Bohm: Well, in physics we see the parts because that’s the way we approached it the last few centuries. I don’t know if, you see, I think our perception is influenced by our way of thinking. So that we accept this mechanical way of looking at things. But if you went back a thousand or two thousand years, I don’t think people actually saw the particles as primary.The way we see depends on the way we think.
    Interviewer: But is it a choice, do we have to choose between the whole and the parts?

    Bohm: No, well you see, it’s a question or whether you have a holistic approach, which puts the whole as primary. In classical physics the parts are the primary concept and the whole is only an auxiliary concept which is convenient, you have many parts working together like a machine. But the parts are taken as the basic reality. And seeing we just subjectively we find it convenient to think about the whole. But in quantum mechanics I think there’s something else, that the whole is object and the parts are the result of analysis. But we have large areas where the whole behaves to some extend like independent parts.

    Bohm-Sarfatti Back-Reaction
    the quantum behaviour of a system of electrons and the behaviour of mind​

    Geometry acts on Matter/Energy telling it how to move, while Matter/Energy has a reciprocal Back-Reaction on Geometry telling it how to bend.This bending of our four-dimensional Space Time Geometry explains the phenomena of Gravity, such as why an apple falls to the Earth and why there are Black Holes.

    Shilo comment: There are interesting scientific calculations in those two papers you linked from arxiv.org Brook; one from a Chinese physicist (Huang) and one from an Indian (Srivastava) one.
    Both papers are well constructed and offer some new insights into the actual string-brane Quantum Big Bang (QBB) Cosmology and its metaphysical ontologies.However, both papers fall short of providing 'groundbreaking' new data as to 'what really happened', despite both papers hinting at some of the flaws of contemporary cosmology and astrophysics.The overall thrust of this thread as being anti-Standard Models notwithstanding; your input nevertheless crystallizes particular avenues just where the Standard Models are not so much erroneous, but rather lacking the metaphysical insights of interpreting the basically correct data collected.

    The below post validates Huang in his ideas of a decelerating and Planck parameter based original QBB and supports Srivastava in his focus on a 0.303 cosmological redshift and a 'closed' universe in the form of an oscillating cosmology.
    As you might know, there are great controversiers regarding this cosmological redshift as being a correct Hubble Distance indicator applicable to an expansion cosmology. The Thuban dispensation following might clear this matter up; in showing how the 'Hubble Oscillation' actually represents the Hinduistic 'Heartbeat of Brahma' or the 'Heartbeat of the Cosmic Mother' or other such mythologizable connotations. one great fallacy of the Standard Model Cosmology is, that the Inflationary dynamics followed the Big bang singularity. Well the QBB singularity was of course the birth odf the spacetime matrix per se and so ANY 'Inflationary string-brane epoch' necessarily FOLLOWED and not preceded the QBB.
    Some pundits, (with data published by Roger Penrose from Oxford just a year or so ago); have actually measured and photographed a concentric energy signature before the formation of the galactic structures began and peaked at a redshift of so 1.19 so 4 billion years after the QBB. Cosmologists ;like Steinhardt, Turok and Albrecht then proposed variations of their 'Ekpyrotic Universe' models, which engage string-brane collissions before the QBB in a multiversal setting of a closed omniverse, containing open hyperbolic universes.

    The dragon science follows Occam's Razor of efficiency to a large degree and in interpretiing the collected data from the Standard Models in a new way, many of the 'flaws' of the Standard Models in both Cosmology and particle physics, simply evaporate.In terms of Cosmology then, the multiverse uses a protoversal seedling and this seedling is the observed universe in 4 spacetime dimensions, albeit infused by COLOCAL collapsed 'higher dimensions', which can, under the appropriate energy conditions, open up to allow various numbers of multiD reralities, such as observed and experienced by you and the dreamers and intuitives throughout the local planetary realm. It then becomes a universal Oscillation' on a cosmic scale, which in many ways 'doubles' or multiplies the measured universe in a 'self-intersection' or self communication between its parts.

    I have added a sketch from the Thuban archives, which shows much of what the present debates about 'dark energy' and 'missing matter' engage in an overall collective sense. In this sketch you will see, that the 0.303 reshift value becomes the mirror image of the galactic creation peak at redshift 1.19 and so the apparent 'playing up' of the expansion cosmology to change its deceleration at the QBB to an acceleration at the 0.1 redshift marker becomes an effect of the Hubble Oscilaltion, which renders a cosmological redshift of recession as a cosmological blueshift of approach in a reinterpretation of the data collected by the telescopes and observatories.
    But I am reluctant to share information on non-dragon forums, so I shall leave it at that for now.By the way, your affinity for Bohm I share wholeheartedly; he KNEW what he was writing about. I cannot say the same for your linking David Bohm with Jack Sarfatti, whose physics I do not support at all.


    The Cosmic Wave Surfer and the Hubble Omniverse in Phi

    The Big Bang Observer, say a Gaian astronomer or stargazer, witnesses the cosmic expansion as receding from himherself with ever increasing cosmological redshift values. Shehe effectively so surveys into the cosmic Future.

    The Cosmic Surfer; riding or comoving with the Event Horizon of the Multiversal MBH (Mother Black Hole) at the 'warping speed' VArp=c/(n+1)2; corollarily observes herhis own Big Bang Mirror Image as continually receding into hisher Past.

    For the Cosmic Surfer, the cosmological redshift roles so increase from a defined Arpian zArp=zA into the Past towards the Big Bang value of zBB~1024.

    At the Big Bang, the redshift zBB=zwormhole=ztimeinstanton~1024.

    As the 11D-Universe inflated prior to the Big Bang for this timeinstanton and scale inflaton by de Broglie matter phasing; the 10D-Universe becomes asymptotic in a Dynamic Node moving the Hubble Event Horizon along the basic n-interval [0,1] to superpose the 11D Radius R11(n)=nRHubble=RHubble+Δ onto the oscillating Multiverse, bouncing between the Even Nodes {0,2,4,6,...} and the Odd Nodes of the Mirrored and Imaged Cosmic Wave Surfer {1,3,5,7,...}.

    The unitary interval so defines the 10D Radius R10(n)=RHubble(n/n+1) asymptotically and as function of the expansion parameter a=n/(n+1) of say the Standard Cosmology as found in General Relativity.

    For the Big Bang Observer, the cosmological redshift values similiarly increase into the Future towards the expanding MBH Event Horizon so specifying zArp.

    The 11D light invariant lightpath so becomes x=ctps, wherte tps is the time instanton for the wormhole frequency fps=3x1030 Hz.

    In particular the parametrisations for the cosmic evolution of the Omniverse are:

    Displacement: R10(n)=RHubble(n/n+1) (m)

    Velocity: V(n)=c/(n+1)2 (m/s)

    Acceleration: A(n)=-2cHo/(n+1)3 (m/s2)

    Nodal Hubble Constant: Ho=dn/dt=c/RHubblepsfps/RHubble

    for the proportion: nps=Ho/fpsps/RHubble

    Normalised ZeroTime: nps=Hotps

    The Cosmological Relativistic Redshift is applicable for all epochs, as the de Broglie phase inflation created the higher dimensional metric background for the subsequent expansion of the classical thermodynamic Universe as a Planck Black Body Radiator.

    z=√{(1+v/c)/(1-v/c)} - 1 and where v/c=1/(n+1)2 for

    z=√{(n2+2n+2)/(n2+2n)} - 1 for v/c={R(n)/nRHubble}2

    z=√{(n2+a2)/(n2-a2)} - 1 and for a=n/(n+1)

    The Big Bang Redshift for the normalised ZeroTime so becomes:

    zBB=√{(n2+2n+2)/(n2+2n)} - 1 = √{1 + 2/(n2+2n)} -1
    =√{1 + 2/n(n+2)} -1 =√{1 + 1/n -1/(n+2)} -1
    =√{1 +1/nps-1/(nps+2)} -1
    =√{½ +1/nps} -1 = as limit[nps→0] {1/(nps+2)}=1/(0+2)=½
    Then for nps→0; 1/nps→∞ and so
    zBB ~1/√nps=√(RHubbleps}=√(fps/Ho}=~√(1.5977x1048)~1.264x1024.

    The inversion for z(n)=√{(n2+2n+2)/(n2+2n)} - 1 so can be written for larger n with the Binomial Theorem Approximation (1+x)p= 1+px for |x|<1 and for the case of n2+2n>1 with (n+1)2-2>0 and n>±√2-1 that is n>0.414.. as n>0 for all n-cycle coordinates in the physicalised Omniverse.

    z(n)=√{1+2/(n2+2n)} - 1 ={1+2/(n2+2n)}1/2-1
    =1+1/(n2+2n)-1=1/(n2+2n)=½{1/n - 1/(n+2)} by partial fractions.

    Therefore z(n)=½limit[n→∞]{1/n -1/[2+n]}=½{0++-0+}=0+ as n+2>n and 1/n>1/[n+2].

    A Multiple Cosmological Redshift region so eventuates in the self intersection of the higher- and lower dimensional cosmology.
    The Electromagnetic of the Multiversal Oscillation, expanding at lightspeed superposes onto the asymptotic inertial expansion of the Universe as the multiversal protoversal seed.

    zM in (0.251, 0.291, 0.343) become imaged in (~1024 , 1.84, 1.08) for the present cycle coordinate npresent and is generalised in: (zA , zN, zAI) mapping (zBB , zΔ , zΔΔ)



    The Intersection of the Local Flow Cosmological Redshift Correction Line for Low Redshifts with the Nodal Constant determines the measured redshift zM=zImage=0.109 as a critical minimum boundary value for the Hubble Flow for High Redshifts.

    For this redshift value then, particular unexpected cosmological phenomena, such as quasar redshift anomalies, apparently coupling quasars with host galaxies and aberrant spectra and light curves for gamma ray bursters and supernovae will be observed by Gaian stargazers, unawares about the multivalued redshift regions and their mirror properties as indicated (see references of the addendum).

    The Nodal Cosmological Redshift zNode=0.291 then defines the Critical nexus point for the attainment of spacial selfawareness for the Omniverse for a present n-cycle coordinate of npresent=1.1324...

    This then specifies the Delta (Δ)-Interval for the Multiverse's selfintersection with its seedling Universe in the 'Hubble Oscillation' or more poetically the 'Heartbeat of the Omniverse'.

    The Reflection Potential of the Multiverse, bounded in the 11-dimensional Witten Mirror of the MBH so became activated at this nexus point to REVISIT the Seedling Inertialized and asymptotically expanding Protoverse.

    This 'Electromagnetic Return' of the Lightpath then is necessarily Lightlike and serves the Multiversal Mirrors to collect the data of the cosmological history, and sharing this information along the coordinates of the n=[0,1]=[Odd/fps-fmax, Even/Ho-fmin) baseline.

    Technically, this becomes the data mapping of the asymptotic mass parametric Universe in 10D onto its circumscribing MBH in 11D and under the auspices of the Holographic Principle.

    The so called Hubble Constant H(n) then fluctuates as a function of the odd and even nodes between its maximum (wormhole) source frequency fps=1/tps=Ho/nps and its modulated minimum as the nodal Hubble Constant Ho=c/RHubble.

    The binary focused Omniverse as a Multiverse in 11 dimensions allows its two focalisations to become arbitrarily located anyplace in the Omniverse; albeit fixating one focus, will also fix the second by the geometric definition of the ellipse and the prolate and oblate ellipsoids.

    The 12 dimensional Omniverse is however spherical in the multi-aligned rotation of the minor axes of the prolate Universe Seedling transforming the latter into phaseshifted Multiverses in oblate ellipsoidal envelopes with a traced pointcircle of the stationary foci of the prolate majoraxis protoverse.

    This then elegantly and simply shows, that the center of the Omniverse regains its arbitrary status of the undefined 'outside space' relative to the defined 'inner space' of the Multiversed Omniverse in 11D and so quantum entangles its arbitrary center of location with the traced pointcircle of the lower dimensional (12-1=11 or 5-1=4 or 4-1=3) and circumscribed Multiverse.

    It so suffices to render 'Gaia in 12D' as the MBH physicalisation for the Cosmos in the mirror function of the higher dimensional Mother Black Hole as a boundary- and initial condition for the subsequently evolving cosmology.

    Gaia, as this focalisation, so is as old as the Big Bang, with its physical creation and evolvement being a function of the overall purpose and destiny for the Omniversal SourceSink creator manifesting 'within' the 11D MBH as the modular duality of the EpsEss supermembrane and 'without' as the modular monad of the Void=Eternity transforming into a Oneness or Unity of the 'Inside' coupled to the 'Outside' in the topological transformation of the twosided 11D Mirror and dividing the lower asymptotic Timelike Omniverse from the higher Spacelike Omniverse.

    This topological transformation then 'rips' the 11D Lightlike Mirror in 'piercing' a minimized (nps) wormhole into its surface so allowing the 11D Mirror Membrane to become Onsided in the Möbian Connect of the Klein-Bottle-Dragon (the Ourobos of the Cosmos miniaturised and holofractalled in the Milky Way Mazzaroth) and in its 'regluing' effectively doubles the information content mapped onto it from the 'inside'.

    This harbors the effect of the IMAGINARY OUTSIDE DATA of the 12D Omniverse being rendered as a REAL INSIDE DATA, superposing the SPIRIT aka the ElectroMagnetoMonopolic Radiation (EMMR) to become IMAGED in the LIGHT aka the ElectroMagnetic Radiation (EMR) from the 12D perspective of the 'Imaginary Outside' becoming a 'Real Inside'.

    As detailed elsewhere in the associted data base from Thuban; the EMR is generated by the acceleration of electric (Coulomb) charges, always associated with inertia of mass-coupled 'particles' like the centripetally accelerated fusion protons in stars.

    The EMMR is independent on inertia carriers, but is generated in the acceleration of magnetic (Gluon-Colour) charges and which manifest as the quantum spin of all gauged-interaction (virtual=colour charged) and elementary quark-lepton (mass=colour charged massless-real=not colour charged) couplings.

    The EMR is so fundamentally a 10D phenomenon of the Reality of the String-Linearity of the Time-Entropy Arrow (1+9=3+7=4+6) and the EMMR is fundamentally a 12D phenomenon of the Volumar-Cyclicity of the Time-Entropy-Arrow (3+9=5+7=6+6).

    The lowerD EMR is data mapped via the inertializations of the charge-mass couplings onto the higherD EMMR in the following 12D/F-Space Hamiltonian:

    Electrocharge=PLOx(Lightspeed)2 ↔ MagnetochargexElectron-Diameterx(Lightspeed)2=Magnetocharge
    and where, for Alpha=2πke2/hc=e2/2εohc=60πe2/h=Re/Rcompton=√(Re/RBohr1)=(4πRe/Rrydberg)1/3 and LPlanck=√(hGo/2πc3)


    Electro Charge 'e' = √Alpha.LPlanckc2↔ Rec2= Magneto Charge 'e*'

    The nodal redshift zN then allows a Gaian Consciousness Supersphere to be defined in the maximum extent the Focused Center of the Omniverse has 'evolved and expanded' to accomodate communication and data sharing with the Extraterrestrial Gaia 'Superspace'.
    The asymptotic 10D Universe so has expanded precisely 50% of its maximum expanse as (Curvature of MBH) RHubble=2GoMMBH/c2=c/Ho.
    The radial extent of the 'Supersphere' of Gaian-Mother-Centered Space-Consciousness then depends on what metric observation reference frame is utilized.
    The holofractalization is toroidal, but can be defined as the circumscribing spheroid as a sphere of radius R=2a encompasses a Horn Torus of radius R=a in a factor of 8 in 16/3p = 8(2/3π) = 1.6976527... and utilizing the metric unifier factor:

    R3D=(3π/2)1/3R4D=(4.7123889...)1/3 R4D =1.676539193..R4D as an upper limit for the Feigenbaum Chaos Delta dFeigenbaum=4.669... feigenbaum-.35400.

    As the parametrization uses the R10+=aRHubble mode for the asymptotic expansion, zN describes the asymptotic universal seedling coordinate for the multiversal oscillation both as the multiverse's expansion into Omnispace in R11+ and as the multiversal oscillation in R11-. The toroidal hyperspherical R10+ coordinate is then 'sphericalised' in the R10- coordination.

    For n=1, a=½ and zN=0.291=z(zM)=zM(n) via a=n/(n+1)=R(n)/RHubble and

    z=√{(n2+a2)/(n2-a2)} - 1 = √{(nRHubble)2+R2(n))/(nRHubble)2-R2(n)} - 1

    For V11+/V11- = n2 = V10+/V10-

    R11+=(n)RHubble from V11+=(n3)2π2Rmax3

    R11-=(n1/3)RHubble from V11-=(n)2π2Rmax3

    R10+=(n/[n+1])RHubble from V10+=(n/[n+1])32Rmax3

    R10-=(n1/3/[n+1])RHubble from V10-=(n/[n+1]3)2π2Rmax3

    With R10++=(n/[n+1])1/3RHubble from V10-=(n/[n+1])2π2Rmax3

    The Delta Δ=0.1324...then assigns the ratio Δ/(1+Δ)=Δ/n=(n-1)/n=1-1/n=0.1170 to the proportion of the asymptotic Universe which has become Revisited by the 'Electromagnetic rerturn' of the EMMR Light (of the Spirit of the CreatorCreation Monad in the Creator-Creation Duality).

    So for Δ=1, Δ/n=1/2 for a complete Hubble Oscillation and defining the return of the EMMR Light to its Big Bang Node, indicating that the full 50% of the asymptotic expansion of the protoversal seedling has become 'remapped' and 'downloaded' in the information of the first Hubble Cycle. The return lightpath of the EMMR would however still await remapping' and 'downloading' as the fraction 2/3-1/2=1/6 or 16.666%.

    For Δ=2, n=3 and so 2/3 of the data download would image the expansion factor a=n/(n+1)=3/4 as the part of the unmapped transversion of the multiversal cyclicity arrow of 3/4-2/3=1/12 or 8.3333%.

    The 'Heartbeat of the Omniverse' so defines the Hubble-Oscillation for the Multiverse.
    The 'downloaded' data is centered on the physicalised Image of the Mother-Black Hole of the Circumscribing Witten Mirror and so becomes the Gaian Supersphere for the 'downloaded data' from the rest of the Omniverse.
    As the 'returned data' (for a referential movie indicator consider Star Trek One, the Motion Picture) at the present cycletime coordinate npresent=1.1324..is 11.70% of the total extent of the EMMR Lightpath; it will be this proportion of RHubble, centered on the Gaian geometrical center; which defines the Gaian Superradius as RGaia=0.117RHubble=1.977 Billion lightyears (Gly).

    R11+=(n)RHubble=19.11 Gly (toroidal) & 32.04 Gly (spherical)
    RGaia11+=2.24 Gly (toroidal) & 3.75 Gly (spherical)

    R11-=(n1/3)RHubble=17.59 Gly (toroidal) & 29.49 Gly (spherical)
    RGaia11-=2.06 Gly (toroidal) & 3.45 Gly (spherical)

    R10++=(n/[n+1])1/3RHubble=13.67 Gly (toroidal) & 22.91 Gly (spherical)
    RGaia10++=1.60 Gly (toroidal) & 2.68 Gly (spherical)

    R10+=(n/[n+1])RHubble=8.96 Gly (toroidal) & 15.02 Gly (spherical)
    RGaia10+=1.05 Gly (toroidal) & 1.76 Gly (spherical)

    R10-=(n1/3/[n+1])RHubble=8.25 Gly (toroidal) & 13.83 Gly (spherical)
    RGaia10-=0.97 Gly (toroidal) & 1.62~1.618 Gly (spherical)

    The 2015 Planck satellite data has measured a Hubble Constant of 67.6
    (±0.6) km/Mpc.s which translates into a linear age for the universe of 1/Ho = (3.26x9.467x1018/67.6) = 1/2.190x10-18 seconds or 14.47 GYears.


    The Gaian Superradius for the spherical correlation of the toroidal minimum size of the Omniverse, so corresponds to the standard and popularized age-measurement for the lower dimensional universe converging to an age of 13.83 billion lightyears.
    The Omniversal Gaian fractal then approximates this nexus point in the Golden Ratio Phi to allow determination of the n-cycle coordinate whenever the overall omniversal evolvement has attained the consciousness potential to process that omniversal data base.
    In particular, the Gaian observers of that cosmic evolution will KNOW WHERE they are in determining this n-cycletime coordinate and then broadcast this value to the extraterrestrial omniverse as indicated.

    EMMR Lightpath in Billions of Lightyears is X=cT=Lightpath of EMMR.
    Φ=1.618033...=½(√5+1)=-Y=1/X for (X,Y) the Roots of T(n)=n(n+1)=1 in Euler's Identity in the Quadratic n2+n-1=0=(n-X)(n-Y)


    The Lightpath for the EMMR (aka 'Spirit') so requires a definition of what a cyclic year is and is approximated above as a Civil GigaYear of 31,556,952 Billion seconds for a lightpath of 9.4670856...x1024 meters or 1 Billion lightyears.

    Solving the transcendental equation:
    f(n)=cTΦ-RGaia10-=0=cTΦ - (n-1)(3πn/2)1/3RHubbleT(n)=0 then determines npresent in this approximation as npresent~1.132419321.

    The 2015 Planck satellite data has measured a Hubble Constant of 67.6 (±0.6) km/Mpc.s


    Tonyblue; calling the extraterrestrial observers within the Gaian Superspherical Radius of Φ Billion lightyears and as minimum omniversal volumar in sphericity.
    The Human Exiled Collective Agency has determined Where they are as the Gaian representatives for the Omniversal constituency in the n-cycletime coordinate system.
    The StarHuman deliverance can so become initiated in the Collective Cooperation and as determined by the World Logos.


    (1) The Gaian Super 'Noosphere' 'solves' the Gamma Burster Mystery of GRB 060614 with Redshift z=0.125 detected by the Swift satellite on June 14th, 2006.
    (2) The Mystery of the 'Arpian' Galactic Quasars
    (3) The Explosion of a supermassive Star SN 2007bi at a redshift z=0.127 , lower bounded in zImage~0.11
    (4) Unusual Cosmic Lenses at 1.6 Billion lightyears at redshift z=0.120

    (1) The Gaian Super 'Noosphere' 'solves' the Gamma Burster Mystery of GRB 060614 with Redshift z=0.125 detected by the Swift satellite on June 14th, 2006.


    GRB 060614 was a remarkable gamma-ray burst (GRB) detected by the Swift satellite on June 14, 2006 with puzzling properties, which challenge current progenitor models.
    In particular, the lack of any bright supernova (SN) down to very strict limits and the vanishing spectral lags during the whole burst are typical of short GRBs, strikingly at odds with the long (102s) duration of this event and its origin in a galaxy 1.6 billion light years away in the constellation Indus.
    As of December 2006, more than a dozen telescopes, including the Hubble Space Telescope and large ground-based observatories, have studied the burst.

    Gamma-ray bursts represent the most powerful known explosions in the universe. Yet they are random and fleeting, never appearing twice. Scientists have only recently begun to understand their nature.
    Such bursts typically fall into one of two categories, long or short. The long bursts last more than two seconds and appear to be from the core collapse of massive stars forming a black hole. Most of these bursts come from the edge of the visible universe. The short bursts, which are under two seconds and often last just a few milliseconds, appear to be the merger of two neutron stars or a neutron star with a black hole, which subsequently creates a new or bigger black hole.
    The hybrid burst, called GRB 060614, after the date it was detected, originated from within a galaxy 1.6 billion light years away in the southern constellation Indus. The burst lasted for 102 seconds, placing it soundly in long-burst territory. But the burst lacked the hallmark of a supernova, or star explosion, commonly seen shortly after long bursts. Also, the burst's host galaxy has a low star-formation rate with few massive stars that could produce supernovae and long gamma-ray bursts. "This was close enough to detect a supernova if it existed," said Avishay Gal-Yam of Caltech, Pasadena, Calif., lead author on another Nature report. "Even Hubble didn't see anything."
    Certain properties of the burst concerning its brightness and the arrival time of photons of various energies, called the lag-luminosity relationship, suggest that burst behaved more like a short burst (from a merger) than a long burst. Yet no theoretical model of mergers can support a sustained release of gamma-ray energy for 102 seconds. "This is brand new territory; we have no theories to guide us," said Gehrels. However, long GRBs from rapidly rotating black holes feature a viscous time-scale of tens of seconds of spin-down against high-density turbulent matter. As a candidate inner engine of long GRBs in mergers and collapsars alike, it can account naturally for long GRBs with and without supernovae and a diversity in X-ray afterglows representing different host environments, whose signatures in gravitational-waves fall within the bandwidth of sensitivity of LIGO-Virgo.

    The burst is perhaps not unprecedented. Archived data from the Compton Gamma Ray Observatory in the 1990s possibly reveal other hybrid "long-short" bursts, but no follow-up observations are available to confirm this. Johan Fynbo of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, also lead author on a Nature report, suggests that a burst from May of this year was also long, but had no associated supernova.
    Scientists remain divided on whether this was a long-short burst from a merger or a long burst from a star explosion with no supernova. Most conclude, however, that some new process must be at play - either the model of mergers creating second-long bursts needs a major overhaul, or the progenitor star from an explosion is intrinsically different from the kind that make supernovae.
    "We siphoned out all the information we could from GRB 060614," said Massimo Della Valle of the Osservatorio Astrofisico di Arcetri in Firenze, Italy, another lead author on a Nature report. "All we can do now is wait for the next nearby hybrid burst."

    GRB 060614: Data
    Detection: Swift Satellite
    Date: 14th June, 2006
    Duration: 102 seconds
    Right Ascension:21h 23m 27.0s
    Declination:-53° 02′ 02″
    Redshift: 0.125
    Host Galaxy: [PBF2006d] Host Galaxy
    Constellation: Indus


    (2) The Mystery of the 'Arpian' Galactic Quasars

    Hubble's Greatest Hits

    The biggest beacon

    Quasars are weird. They can be bright as a trillion stars, and more than billion light years away! Although astronomers think they are powered by stars and gas falling into a black hole, plenty of questions remain. For example, how long do quasars shine? Did most galaxies have them at some point? And just what causes them to fire up?
    Hubble's images have helped fill in the blanks on some of the sky's strangest beacons.
    LEFT: Two quasars, each about 1.5 billion light years from Earth, in intact galaxies (top galaxy is a spiral; bottom is elliptical). How can a galaxy stay intact when something as powerful as a quasar is beaming inside it? Scientists used to think quasars "turn on" or brighten when galaxies collide. But maybe that's not the whole story...
    TOP RIGHT: Busted! Sparks do fly when two galaxies collide at a million miles an hour! The quasar (at center) is 3 billion light years distant; the arc-shaped region at the bottom (15,000 light years from the quasar) is the dregs of a spiral galaxy. The bright thingy at top is a star between us and the quasar.
    BOTTOM RIGHT: Top object, a quasar, is merging with the galaxy below it, which is still 30,000 light years away. The whole mess is about 1.6 billion light years from us. The swirling gas and dust indicate an interaction between quasar and galaxy.

    (3) The Explosion of a supermassive Star SN 2007bi at a redshift z=0.127 , lower bounded in zImage ~0.11

    First of its Kind Superbright Supernova

    Wednesday, December 2. 2009
    W.M. Keck Observatory Press Release...

    Berkeley, Calif. - A discovery of an extraordinarily bright, extraordinarily long-lasting supernova named SN 2007bi turns out to be the first known example of the earliest types of stars that populated the Universe. The unusually luminous supernova could provide astronomers with clues about the earliest stars in the cosmos and could be the first of many similar events soon to be discovered.
    SN 2007bi was found in 2007 by the Nearby Supernova Factory (SNfactory) based at the U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. Over the next 18 months, observations of the exploding star were made by an international team of astronomers using the 10-meter Keck I telescope on the summit of Mauna Kea in Hawai'i and the Very Large Telescope in Chile.


    Based on the data, the team determined that SN 2007bi was the explosion of an exceedingly massive star, said astronomer Alex Filippenko of the University of California Berkeley whose group helped obtain, analyze and interpret the data. "But instead of turning into a black hole like many other heavyweight stars, its core went through a nuclear runaway that blew it to shreds. This type of behavior was predicted several decades ago by theorists, but never convincingly observed until now."
    According to the data, which was collected in a collaboration led by Avishay Gal-Yam of Israel's Weizmann Institute of Science, the supernova's precursor star could only have been a giant having at least 200 times the mass of the Sun and initially containing few elements besides hydrogen and helium - a star similar to the first stars in the early Universe.

    SN 2007bi is also the first confirmed observation of a pair-instability supernova. The long-hypothesized phenomenon suggests that "in the extreme heat of the star's interior, energetic gamma rays created pairs of electrons and positrons, which bled off the pressure that sustained the core against collapse," said astrophysicist Peter Nugent, co-leader of Berkeley Lab's Computational Cosmology Center (C3), a collaboration between the Lab's Physics Division and Computational Research Division, or CRD.

    The researchers describe the data to support the pair instability supernova finding in the Dec. 3 issue of Nature.

    On the trail of a strange beast

    SN 2007bi was first recorded on images taken as part of the Palomar-QUEST Survey, an automated search with the wide-field Oschin Telescope at the California Institute of Technology's Palomar Observatory, and was quickly detected and categorized as an unusual supernova by the SNfactory. The SNfactory has so far discovered nearly a thousand supernovae of all types and amassed thousands of spectra, but has focused on those designated Type Ia, the "standard candles" used to study the expansion history of the Universe.
    "The thermonuclear runaway experienced by the core of SN 2007bi is reminiscent of that seen in the explosions of white dwarfs as Type Ia supernovae, but on a much larger scale and with a far greater amount of power," Filippenko said. SN 2007bi was at least ten times as bright as the standard Type Ia supernovae.

    Rollin Thomas of CRD, a member of C3 and the SNfactory, used the Franklin supercomputer at the National Energy Research Scientific Computing Center to match synthetic supernovae spectra with the real SN 2007bi spectrum. The model fit was unambiguous: SN 2007bi was a pair-instability supernova.
    "The central part of the huge star had fused to oxygen near the end of its life, and was very hot," Filippenko explained. "Then the most energetic photons of light turned into electron-positron pairs, robbing the core of pressure and causing it to collapse. This led to a nuclear runaway explosion that created a large amount of radioactive nickel, whose decay energized the ejected gas and kept the supernova visible for a long time."

    A fossil laboratory of the early Universe

    Finding the first unambiguous example of a pair-instability supernova in a dwarf galaxy is significant, Nugent said. Dwarf galaxies are incredibly small and dim and contain few elements heavier than hydrogen and helium, so they are models or fossil laboratories of the early Universe. Dwarf galaxies are also ubiquitous, but, they are so faint and dim that they've rarely been studied. SN 2007bi is expected to focus attention on these fainter galaxies.
    Studying the dwarf galaxies and their remnant supernovae might, in the future, allow astronomers to- through explosions such as that of SN 2007bi- "detect the very first generation of stars, early in the history of the Universe, long before we have the capability of directly seeing the pre-explosion stars," Filippenko explained. So while SN 2007bi is the first of its kind to be detected, it is likely not the last.

    Berkeley Lab is a U.S. Department of Energy national laboratory located in Berkeley, California. It conducts unclassified scientific research for the Department of Energy's Office of Science and is managed by the University of California. For the full release, visit http://newscenter.lbl.gov/.
    The W. M. Keck Observatory operates two 10-meter optical/infrared telescopes on the summit of Mauna Kea on the island of Hawai'i. The twin telescopes feature a suite of advanced instrumentation including imagers, multi-object spectrographs, high-resolution spectrographs, integral-field spectroscopy and a world-leading laser guide star adaptive optics system. The Observatory is a scientific partnership of the California Institute of Technology, the University of California and NASA. For more information please call 808.881.3827 or visit http://www.keckobservatory.org/.

    SN2007bi was near the location of a small galaxy (Anon J131920+0855), probably the host galaxy at redshift 0.127. This gives a distance of about 1.75 billion lightyears. #1.1 Andrew Cooper (Homepage) on 2009-12-02 21:06 (Reply)

    (4) Unusual Cosmic Lenses at 1.6 Billion lightyears at redshift z=0.120

    Astronomers Discover an Unusual Cosmic Lens


    These images of the first-ever foreground quasar (blue) lensing a background galaxy (red) were taken with the Keck II telescope using laser guide-star adaptive optics. (Credit: Courbin, Meylan,

    ScienceDaily (July 16, 2010) — Astronomers at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) and Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne (EPFL) in Switzerland have discovered the first known case of a distant galaxy being magnified by a quasar acting as a gravitational lens. The discovery, based in part on observations done at the W. M. Keck Observatory on Hawaii's Mauna Kea, is being published July 16 in the journal Astronomy & Astrophysics.

    See Also:

    Space & Time

    [*]Black Holes
    [*]Extrasolar Planets
    [*]Local Group
    [*]Barred spiral galaxy

    Quasars, which are extraordinary luminous objects in the distant universe, are thought to be powered by supermassive black holes in the cores of galaxies. A single quasar could be a thousand times brighter than an entire galaxy of a hundred billion stars, which makes studies of their host galaxies exceedingly difficult. The significance of the discovery, the researchers say, is that it provides a novel way to understand these host galaxies.

    "It is a bit like staring into bright car headlights and trying to discern the color of their rims," says Frédéric Courbin of EPFL, the lead author on the paper. Using gravitational lensing, he says, "we now can measure the masses of these quasar host galaxies and overcome this difficulty."

    According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, if a large mass (such as a big galaxy or a cluster of galaxies) is placed along the line of sight to a distant galaxy, the part of the light that comes from the galaxy will split. Because of this, an observer on Earth will see two or more close images of the now-magnified background galaxy.
    The first such gravitational lens was discovered in 1979, and produced an image of a distant quasar that was magnified and split by a foreground galaxy. Hundreds of cases of gravitationally lensed quasars are now known. But, until the current work, the reverse process -- a background galaxy being lensed by the massive host galaxy of a foreground quasar -- had never been detected.
    Using gravitational lensing to measure the masses of distant galaxies independent of their brightness was suggested in 1936 by Caltech astrophysicist Fritz Zwicky, and the technique has been used effectively for this purpose in recent years. Until now, it had never been applied to measure the masses of quasar hosts themselves.

    To find the cosmic lens, the astronomers searched a large database of quasar spectra obtained by the Sloan Digital Sky Survey (SDSS) to select candidates for "reverse" quasar-galaxy gravitational lensing. Follow-up observations of the best candidate -- quasar SDSS J0013+1523, located about 1.6 billion light years away -- using the W. M. Keck Observatory's 10-meter telescope, confirmed that the quasar was indeed magnifying a distant galaxy, located about 7.5 billion light years away.
    "We were delighted to see that this idea actually works," says Georges Meylan, a professor of physics and leader of the EPFL team. "This discovery demonstrates the continued utility of gravitational lensing as an astrophysical tool."

    "Quasars are valuable probes of galaxy formation and evolution," says Professor of Astronomy S. George Djorgovski, leader of the Caltech team. Furthermore, he adds, "discoveries of more such systems will help us understand better the relationship between quasars and the galaxies which contain them, and their coevolution."

    Journal Reference:
    [*]Courbin et al. First case of strong gravitational lensing by a QSO: SDSS J0013 1523 at z = 0.120. Astronomy and Astrophysics, 2010; 516L12 DOI: 10.1051/0004-6361/201014376

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    shiloh comment:

    Of course, and the big as yet unknown key to a 'New Paradigm' in the Sciences and especially physics is the as yet unrealised fact that there exists a Quantum Geometry, which will in due time completely overhaul the present 'Colliding Billard balls mechanistics' of the Standard Model in Particle Physics, (say as used by CERN and Fermilab).
    I add here a recent post from the Thuban archives, which 'explains' a recent discovery about the 'heavy quark' systems, built on a correct Unitary Symmetry model, first 'invented' by Murray Gell-Mann, Abdus Salaam and associates, implemented in the early 1980's and designed a few years before. The large scale relativistic geometry of Newton-Einstein in 'Curvature of a continuous spacetime continuum' so heralds its microcosmic 'fractal' in a discrete timespace as a subplenum of the macrocosm and unifies quantum mechanics with the relativistic dynamics using a spacetime independent 'primera causa', which you and I terms as an ontological basis for the sciences in their common metaphysical origins.

    Ok, regarding Sarfatti's 'hijacking' of Bohm's pilot wave. What he is on about in his 'way of doing things', is but the core issue in contemporary physics as to the nature of consciousness and like Penrose and Chalmers they then invent new labels about 'mental particles' termed qualia. The superposition of waveforms is indeed at the core of this and the transpositions of Cramer I do support to a large extent. But one does not require the quantum formalisms, centred on the 'Schrödinger Cat' as being in EITHER of two states. Penrose makes the same assumption in his treatises and has been critisized over it as well in divers ways.

    Schrödinger's Cat is ALWAYS in BOTH states. This relates to Thuban's ubiquitous quoting of the 'dead alive' being the 'alive dead' as a hybrid state of physical existence in the form of the 'collapse of the wavefunction' at embodiment and the release of this same wave energy state at the physical collapse of the particle function, called death of the physical. Understanding this superposition of the 'forwards-backwards' states of ther wavefunctions, then renders all this squabbling and arguments about finding the 'correct' quantum mechanical formalism to describe this existence state as superfluous. There are many messages on this forum, which dissect the multiverse ideas and the Schrödinger Cat paradox in more detail.

    Those 'mentality particles' are nought but Thuban's 'Source Energy Quantum', something the Nabsers call the 'Love Frequency'. It is thoroughly derived and defined as the 'Virtual Particle' of the 'Electromagnetic fundamental Interaction' and is also transformed into the 'Graviton' of the Gravitational Interaction, as well as into the 'Gluon' of the Strong Nuclear Interaction in QED and QCD (Quantum Electro Dynamics and Quantum Chromo Dynamics respectively).
    The Weak Nuclear Interaction then 'solves' the big problem of the 'missing antimatter', showing that the Higgs Boson is but a manifestor of a massless Goldstone Boson, which you can term as a 'Virtual Antiphoton' and in this massless inertia state transforms from the Gauge 'Lovephoton' as well. Iow, the long sought 'Unified Field' is a metaphysical mass-independent superenergy state of the one gauge 'field particle' transmuting itself as the socalled four fundamental interactions causative for the experienced and measured universe of physicality and a physical existentialism, which is also psychophysical or mental by the metaphysical parameters, from which the measurable criteria like mass and length and time and current and luminosity and molarity and temperature crystallized in associativity with particular mathematical entities like the transcendental number Pi and the natural logarithm 'e' and the sterradian. The 'mysterious' quantum entanglement of all things, then becomes a rather simple consequence of the 'Gauge Particle-Wavicle of Creation as say the Abba-Baab (technically the EpsEss superstring of heterosis 8x8) supermembrane in a extraposed 10-11-12-13 dimensional super 4D 'quanta-continuum', mapping the observed 1-2-3-4 spacetime metrics of the contemporary terran physics.

    Nature's way to maximise its efficiency to collect data and to store information, then 'forced' the emergence of Euler's Equation, which uniquely identified the so called 'Golden Mean' and their related numerics in X+Y=XY=cis(p)=eip=-1. From this derived the uniqueness of the 2-dimensional plane as the root reduced 11-dimensional 'mirror universe', as 2X=X+X=X2 requires the unique solution X=2, with a 'arithmetic doubling' becoming identical to a 'geometric squaring' as a elementary property of basic algebra and arithmetic.

    Bohm's original 'pilot wave' so can also be defined as the 'Wave of Universal Consciousness', which is already 'unified' in its gauge and potential of self-transformation as this weird thing called 'Love of the Creator for itself as All that can exist'.

    shiloh, September 15th, 2013

    Synopsis: Heavy Quark Model Lands on Solid Footing


    Precision Measurement of the Λb0 Baryon Lifetime
    R. Aaij et al. (LHCb Collaboration)
    Phys. Rev. Lett. 111, 102003 (2013)
    Published September 5, 2013
    To make sense of the gigabytes of data coming out of the Large Hadron Collider, physicists need good theoretical models of how quarks and gluons form the larger particles called hadrons. For hadrons containing a relatively massive b (or bottom) quark, an early approach—the free quark model—doesn’t work well, so researchers developed a “heavy quark expansion” model that recognizes interactions among the quarks. In a paper in Physical Review Letters, the LHCb Collaboration reports high-energy collision data that lend substantial support to the heavy quark expansion theory, which has become the best approach for some important calculations.
    One test of this theory is to look at the lifetimes of two very different creatures: the Λb hadron (comprising an up, down, and bottom quark) and the anti-B meson (comprising a down antiquark and a bottom quark). According to the heavy quark expansion, the lifetimes of the two particles should be dominated by the b quark and thus equal to within a few percent. However, data emerging from LHC’s predecessor, LEP, indicated that Λb had a shorter lifespan than the B meson by a large margin.
    Better data are now reported by the LHCb researchers, who studied Λb and anti-B decays from 7 tera-electron-volt proton-proton collisions. They find a ratio of lifetimes of Λb , or equal within a few percent, as predicted by the heavy quark expansion. Moreover, the prediction was obtained without any corrections to the model, giving support to this treatment of quarks within hadrons. – David Voss

    Comment by TonyBlue:

    The longer liftime of the Λb =udb relative to the anti-B=dbarb derives from the underpinning quarkian quantum geometry detailed in other dispensations on this thred.
    Finestructuring gives you: Λb =udb=ud.ubardbar={ud.dbarubar}={uu(MIR-1).(MIRbar+1)ubarubar}=u(u{MIR-0}ubar)ubar, which decays more rapidly into VPE=uubar+'Mesoniuc Inner Ring'-VPE+ubaru; then
    anti-B=dbarb=dbar.ubardbar={(MIRbar+1)ubar.ubar(MIR+1)ubar} ={(MIR+1)[3x-⅔ KKK](MIR+1)}={KKIRKIR}bar='quasi {udd}bar' or 'energised antineutron-antilambda'.
    The more complex quark wavian geometry of the trisected wavequarkian template prolongs the lifetime of the anti-B meson relative to the 'more straight forward' decay pattern of the bottomed lamba hyperon.

    Emeth141, September 11th, 2013
    [2:58:26 AM] TonyB: There was a nice discovery on my favourite science
    [2:58:30 AM] TonyB: quarks
    [2:58:42 AM] TonyB: I shown the solution to the puzzle
    [2:58:52 AM] Sirius 17: oh?
    [2:59:44 AM] TonyB: http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/...7F63&fid=019788EF-0F1C-4E3D-B875-AB41438E63AD
    [2:59:50 AM] TonyB: Its a little technical
    [3:00:00 AM] Sirius 17: i am like you and prefer the company of the dead, they have less interest in telling lies
    [3:00:24 AM] TonyB:
    Synopsis: Heavy Quark Model Lands on Solid Footing

    [3:01:37 AM-Thursday, September 12th, 2013 +10UCT]
    [2:58:26 AM] TonyB: There was a nice discovery on my favourite science
    [2:58:30 AM] TonyB: quarks
    [2:58:42 AM] TonyB: I shown the solution to the puzzle
    [2:58:52 AM] Sirius 17: oh?
    [2:59:44 AM] TonyB: http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/...7F63&fid=019788EF-0F1C-4E3D-B875-AB41438E63AD
    [2:59:50 AM] TonyB: Its a little technical

    [3:01:37 AM] TonyB: This is very 'beautiful' in a physicists mind Raven
    [3:01:52 AM] TonyB: It is gobbledegook to you though most likely
    [3:02:01 AM] Sirius 17: mostly yes lol
    [3:02:28 AM] TonyB: It shows a 'broken symmetry' between something they thought to be pretty much alike
    [3:02:39 AM] Sirius 17: ah interesting
    [3:02:50 AM] TonyB: It is a completely new way of looking at the subatomics
    [3:03:20 AM] Sirius 17: so a breakthrough in physics then for them to admit this?
    [3:03:56 AM] TonyB: They have the data from the colliders, but are stuck in an old billard ball mechanics model
    [3:04:05 AM] TonyB: It is concentric not mechanistic
    [3:04:12 AM] TonyB: Same parameters though
    [3:04:54 AM] TonyB: Reading the data is off, just like the experts reading the scriptures
    [3:05:03 AM] TonyB: They see it but don't
    [3:05:21 AM] Sirius 17: yes they need a revised model
    [3:05:46 AM] TonyB: It is simple
    [3:05:59 AM] TonyB: They have made it complicated
    [3:06:19 AM] TonyB: It is wave on the quantum not particle
    [3:07:15 AM] TonyB: The spruz link will give you the page with some pics at the start
    [3:07:25 AM] Sirius 17: isn't it amazing that things like this can illude them for years until eventually someone is able to get them all thinking outside their boxes
    [3:07:40 AM] TonyB: It is the Peace symbol actually as a trisector
    [3:07:55 AM] TonyB: 120x3=360
    [3:09:53 AM] Sirius 17: hmm thats interesting
    [3:10:39 AM] TonyB: You have known this for 3 years
    [3:10:49 AM] TonyB: RGB
    [3:11:14 AM] TonyB: RedGreenBlue=White in EMR =Black in Mass
    [3:11:30 AM] Sirius 17: yes i never visualized it like that though
    [3:11:36 AM] TonyB: YCM=Antistate triplet
    [3:11:50 AM] TonyB: You see the circle?
    [3:12:40 AM] TonyB: Higgs Bosonic template sketch?
    [3:12:48 AM] Sirius 17: i am not sure i am looking at the right graphic, but the one that looks like little circles
    [3:12:57 AM] Sirius 17: with lights in them
    [3:13:02 AM] TonyB: scroll down to the sketch
    [3:14:05 AM] TonyB: The YCM means Yellow-Cyan-Magenta
    [3:14:05 AM] Sirius 17: the links only go to the abstracts
    [3:14:19 AM] Sirius 17: what am i supposed to be looking at here?
    [3:14:23 AM] TonyB: http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/...7F63&fid=019788EF-0F1C-4E3D-B875-AB41438E63AD
    [3:16:06 AM] Sirius 17: which post
    [3:16:37 AM] TonyB: This is the 1 page of this thread the first post has a sketch, but never mind
    [3:16:51 AM] TonyB: The last post is the above
    [3:17:07 AM] Sirius 17: i see your sketch yes
    [3:17:18 AM] TonyB: Yes you see the Peace symbol?
    [3:17:27 AM] TonyB: As the circular area
    [3:17:57 AM] TonyB: Those are the quarkian waves NOT as particles but as energy colour flux
    [3:18:06 AM] Sirius 17: yes
    [3:18:33 AM] TonyB: The entire subatomic energy transforms then become simple colour mixings
    [3:18:44 AM] TonyB: Those are the superstrings
    [3:19:01 AM] TonyB: They have not associated the superstrings with QCD yet
    [3:19:14 AM] TonyB: Why they fiddle with the spacetime matrices
    [3:19:43 AM] TonyB: Einstein has a spacetime continuum and this is still used in string theory
    [3:20:03 AM] TonyB: They must render the continuum as pixelated to get the colour codes
    [3:20:33 AM] TonyB: Quantum Loops and alternatives like vector parallel transport are getting there
    [3:20:39 AM] TonyB: Its a hybrid again
    [3:21:10 AM] TonyB: To get fractals AS particles you must have a discrete spacetime
    [3:21:22 AM] TonyB: Not a continuous one
    [3:22:12 AM] Sirius 17: ok well you have lost me lol
    [3:29:03 AM] TonyB: Its a little technical, as said
    [3:29:23 AM] TonyB: But it was on my mind, so I commented
    Sirius 17

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  8. shiloh za-rah

    shiloh za-rah Planetary Rebirth

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    Re: The Cubic Wave Field

    Post devakas Today at 1:26 pm

    materialists will always think that they create, like Shiloh stated recently that they create in a given time and space bubble. all materialists speculate in this given illusion till death. they think they are gods. deep deep they think they are, take a time and discuss with them the essence of their consciousness. they believe they are gods. funny, no, this is their karma. read my post about forgiveness. unfortunately maya covers reality very well for those who want to believe they create, they discover, they are cool. God gives them this opportunity to experience with their imperfect senses, and material mind. the truth is they are bastards. it is lack of intelligence. sad part is that naïve follow them. knowledge is not given to them. but their mind concoctions are so huge that they can not fit in thuban site anymore, they ask mists to accept them. how many tubans came here in the mists? no space to post in their site? hmm. why? share the BS? call it ancient? think that all are the same like them? lack of knowing what is consciousness?

    incarnated consciousness bring previous experiences and this is why we have so many people talking what they do not know and keep talking what they do not understand. they can not admit they are dummies, but they try, because they think they are gods. they even quote Jesus. those are not jesus teachings if you read their posts, He did not teach what they are fantasizing and being in illusion spread the lies. materialists even do not know what is matter, their thoughts are materialistic speculations, that's it. you are right they are in illusion and do not know it. they think they are gods and they teach others to think that they create. this is bs, this is why tubans and all infected mists thuban legion is bs. now they call themselves ancient council of ones, hmmm :). proud dreamers of nonsense are tubans. no understanding of reality and no understanding of factual world. consciousness is for them fantasy or just math formula(Shiloh). Blocking is done. sad. mind is subtle matter and carries baggage from incarnation to incarnation.

    it is soul nature to believe, there is impossible for soul not to believe. it requires a bit more intelligence, but they keep missing to put right anchor, and keep speculating (while chewing animals) and keep creating more and more nonsense. they call themselves dreamers. I think they are bastards dreamers. no goodness for humanity, no thoughts about living beings, all including animals. no sense of reality. reality is forgotten, hearts as stones. when they fail cosmic fantasies, they state iamwhoiam or nothingness, they spread what they do not know and what vibrates with their inner, quoting those 'so called scientists' , who keep 'discovering' every day. the tendency to figure out how material creation works. where is no why only how. I wish thubans would put in the Floyd crap files thread, magamud maha mud flip and change posts of dogma and no logic thoughts. maybe it is time now clean mists from the tuban and tuban legion associates posts, to shrink them in their site. to shrink and seal. no Shiloh , you are not god to dream, sorry to disappoint you. your tendency in changing your mind in your posts shows how messed up your mind is. possessed? The tendency to dream made many diseased minds. no luck on this planet.

    yes Floyd it is time to move many threads into crap files, magamud and others who think they are 'from lion planets' or incarnated 'Mary from pleadians' (Raven) or ETs of some kind of invisible ships from advanced technology planetary systems, or ETs from Thuban elders council joke.

    good start to think about animals to stop to eat them, compassion will start to develop one bit by another and world will change. think about kids reading before you post.


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    Re: The Cubic Wave Field

    Post JesterTerrestrial Today at 2:36 pm
    Wow it's obviously an attack from some who dont understand any of the discussions that became named thuban omg it's a pole star look it up ! Name calling and all that listen bro why don't you call me on the phone and we can sort this out because you references words and attempts to link them to thuban are noticed. The thubans are the official wittiness of and for the cosmic logos as was discussed years ago so if you missed the intention of anything being shared that that is not my fault but is my problem as it is this kind of communication tactic is noted and not appeeciead. We came to share some insight to the magic of Avalon and yes this is merlin talking to you now so pay attention .

    We can chat on Skype even that is where I host lots of radio shows and you are more then welcome to be a guest and discuss your bible timeline with Mayan calendar super codex numbed and gregorian calibrated to assist humanity through the cosmic metamorphosis but honestly it is almost a waste of time tuneing you do to the fact that you won't understand and it only created more problems because we wind up getting attacked and people just like you who are ignorant to the data and explanation of the star human template that have causes more damage then you can even comprehend from the manipulation years ago the effect has turned into a double cross and what is at risk ?

    You don't know do you ?

    Well ain't that some shit

    You have no idea what time it is!

    2013-2017 hold on tight and you would know why if you did you god damn job when it was time

    We warned you that you would wind up outside of the gates unable to consume the lion of Judea and enter the new jerusalem.

    Now. Have not participated in the mists of Avalon much but if you can use your monkey mind to recall what the original project Avalon and the power struggle that caused the fall out of the advanced information that was being shared it turned into a battle for the right to share information regarding the comic shift and the effects upon the magnetic field of the sun and the earth and our bodies and the mental plain where you might find the christed consciousness and enlightenment of you look hard enough. So what was 2012 all about then because as a star seed ancient alien dragon hybrid. Extra terrestrial I'd love to hear your ideas on it because I have a great fascination with what's going in the world and why. Lately since all the fighting and attacks the main flow has been damaged


    You have been warned


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    [4:56:33 AM-Sunday, September 15th, 2013 +10UCT]

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    Jorgelito - Posted Sep 14th

    Emeth141, I liked and re-read the part (The Secret of Humanity is YOU and your Divine Egocentricity) . . .

    "So YOU know, that within the embodiment; YOU must, at all cost, preserve and protect your Individuality, because this individuation is the reason YOU have come into embodiment in the first instance"

    Individuality goes to being awake, being alive and just being period. It's more important I think than what we do, know, think or feel. Individuality is not about being unique; it's about being congruent and true to Self; the feeling is the same, Since Self is infinite, it ends up being the same thing anyway.

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    Allisiam - Posted Sep 14th

    Raven wrote:
    Dear Devakas a message from the Pleiadians .....


    [15/09/2013 10:08:35 AM] Sirius 17: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t216p960-vedic-scripts-wisdom-and-facts#96424
    [15/09/2013 10:13:52 AM] Sirius 17: i kept it semi tasteful for Carol lol
    [15/09/2013 10:14:19 AM] Sirius 17: now lets see if Devakas can decipher Pleadian


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    Re: The Cubic Wave Field

    Post mudra Yesterday at 7:04 am
    Oh the drama ...

    Love Always


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    Re: The Cubic Wave Field

    Post JesterTerrestrial Yesterday at 10:35 am

    mattpresti wrote:An amazing model demonstrating the omnipresence of light as Walter Russell explained it. Spiraling phi motions create the visible Universe...time for upgrading...

    Much more to come.

    This is interesting and I really enjoyed the music too thank you for sharing it is encouraging to see that you have continues with your research. I recall watching your productions about the space gases in a video series you had produced a few months ago. Some interesting concepts about the harmonics of matter and light. Some rather important information to comprehend as we move into the real golden age obviously.

    The drama yes well unprovoked attacks to the original round will not be tolerated even if you ban people as requested. That is what has created many of the problems that you see arises when those who are agents of the anti logos play psy ops games. They hate us because of our power and magic!

    They seek to destroy. Because they are mad and try to keep old world order systems in place through insane use of resources and fiat money banks oil wars. People who forgot they are sous in a body allowing false concepts and systems to continue to trap humanity in the death gro of tje banks and other government agendas yet to be reviled. The same thing that they did to tesla and twain last life time. Well now we are back like it or not. So it's much more then just drama. Humanity is in a stage of emergency and we told you that extra terrestrial contact was required so from the realms of light I give you contact




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    Re: The Cubic Wave Field

    Post mudra Yesterday at 1:28 pm

    I do understand JT.
    Thank You for bringing Mattpresti's thread back onto purpose.


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    Re: The Cubic Wave Field

    mattpresti Today at 4:38 am

    JesterTerrestrial wrote:They seek to destroy. Because they are mad and try to keep old world order systems in place through insane use of resources and fiat money banks oil wars. People who forgot they are sous in a body allowing false concepts and systems to continue to trap humanity in the death gro of tje banks and other government agendas yet to be reviled. The same thing that they did to tesla and twain last life time.

    This quote makes me think of Robert's presentation at the conference on the mountaintop (Swannanoa) recently...

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    Jorgelito - Posted Sep 14thedit

    Re Making Friends at the Pool
    That is a cool video clip!

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  9. shiloh za-rah

    shiloh za-rah Planetary Rebirth

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    [​IMG] Re: The Constitution and Almanac of the New Cosmos in Dragon Logos Law and Jurisprudence

    [​IMG] shiloh Today at 8:09 pm
    bobhardee wrote:Interesting post. After studying all that you have and no I haven't read all 7 pages of this, but do find it very interesting, what do you see happening if anything other than the same of what we have had , is going to happen over the next 3- 4 months?
    Bob H

    I might add Bob, regarding your question about the next few months; that the below dating of the fake death of Ariel Sharon was August 4th, 2013. Now if you examine the Thuban Twinlogos timeline, you will see, that it is claimed there, that the (in)famous 70 week prophecy in Daniel.9.24-27 is dated as ending on August 3rd, 2013. I have extracted a zooming picture from a more interwoven mandala chart, you can find in its entirety on this thread following. So you can see, that there appears to be a global independence in data transmissions in whatever media from the 'Nous of the Dragons'; which might or might not indicate to you, that the Thuban database is indeed fulfilling a cosmic agency of the 'World Logos'; despite its diverse human minded opposition experienced and witnessed as a universal testimony and historical 'record keeping'.


    Now announced Friedman, head of neurosurgery at the Soroka Hospital, located in the city of Be’er Sheva and a doctor of former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon for his death at 17:31 pm today

    Saying to the Israeli Channel Ten: after Sharon deteriorated if your medical team to make all his efforts to improve the situation, but Sharon Despite all these efforts, and we did not survive unfortunately we lost

    Has not been a final confirmation of the news until the moment.

    Source: alroeya-news.net

    Yom Kippur, Rabbi Keduri & Ariel Sharon

    14 September 2013, 12:56

    At sunset today (Fri 13/9) Yom Kippur 5774 will start and end tomorrow again at sunset. If we go on Israel time then 18:49 tonight. Israel is one hour ahead of us, in other words the sun will set in Israel at 17:49 our time.
    Yom Kippur is the most holiest day on the calendar. The period between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur is a time of inward looking and drawing closer to our Creator. It’s a time of making teshuvah or repentance. The Jewish people are the custodians of the festival but instituted by YHVH/Hashem or (Our Father- as Yeshua taught)
    One of my favourite passages of Scripture is when Yeshua was called to the Torah in his local synagogue of Nazareth. We read in Isaiah 61 and Luke 4:18: ‘ The Spirit of Adonai is upon Me; because He has anointed me: to announce the Good News to the poor; He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the imprisoned and renewed sight for the blind, to release those who has been crushed to proclaim a year of favour of Adonai.’
    As mentioned before, this was the time when Yeshua announced that He was indeed the Mashiach. Some scholars believed that He read this passage at the Yom Kippur service. When He told them that this prophecy by Isaiah had just been fulfilled in their ears, they freaked out completely and nearly threw Him off a cliff. At times it is difficult to understand why the Jews they reacted in this way. As stated before, the expectation of Messiah was (and is) highly emotionally charged. If you and I were in that synagogue and Jewish at the time, what would we have done? Probably the same as those who were there…
    The other day I listened to a Jewish Rabbi talking about Mashiach. I knew that this man talking about Mashiach does not believe in Yeshua. But when He talked about the Mashiach you could sense a deep and almost raw reverence and awe for Mashiach. This is something Gentiles, even many Christians do not quite get. See we have been fed on a watered down version of Mashiach for hundreds of years. Mashiach’s task was to make atonement for all mankind.
    Prophetically Yom Kippur speaks of the appearance of Mashiach. When will Messiah appear? Well, Rabbi Yitzhak Keduri was a highly esteemed Rabbi who died in 2006 (29 Tevet 5766) and was more than 100 years old. More than 300,000 appeared in the streets of Jerusalem to honour him at his funeral. Keep in mind that Jews are buried within 24 hours. So the news of his death spread like wild fire. It is worth reading up on the life of Rabbi Keduri to get a grasp of the type of man he was.
    Nevertheless what makes him relevant at this time is that Keduri in a month before his death, according to his son, constantly dreamt of Mashiach. In fact he claimed Mashiach appeared to him in his dreams. More importantly Mashiach revealed His name to the Rabbi. This is what the Rabbi did: he wrote the name of Mashiach on a piece of paper and asked his followers to open it a year after his death. Essentially the Rabbi wrote a sentence with each of the words starting with a letter of the name of Mashiach. The letter combined spelled the name ‘Yehoshua’ or ‘Yeshua’ known in the western world as ‘Jesus.’ You can imagine what uproar this caused!
    Rabbi Keduri said one more thing which is almost unreal. He said that Messiah would appear after Ariel Sharon’s death. Here’s where it gets really unbelievable. Ariel Sharon suffered a stroke on 4 Jan 2006. He has been in a comatose state since then. Read it again. Ariel Sharon has been in a coma since 4 Jan 2006!
    According to the Times of Israel Ariel Sharon has undergone a surgical procedure last week some time – the date of the report is 4 Sep 2013 so it must have been before then. So he is still alive after all this time – 7 years 8 months 9 days. Apparently tests done on him recently showed that he even recognised his son’s voice.
    Some rabbis believe that Messiah will return on a very special Yom Kippur in the year of Jubilee. When is the next year of Jubilee? According to Stefen Lopez it will be in the year 2015 to 2016. Something is brewing! One can tell with the astronomical increase in evil.
    It’s time to make teshuvah (no exclamation mark)…

    This is obviously a wax figure mannikin of Ariel Sharon. So the timing of this fake report of the death of Ariel Sharon will have interesting motives, regarding the 'end of the world' and the '2nd Coming of Jesus-Yeshuah' prophecies. The Nabs misinformation and abuse of 'older historical sources' by disinformation agencies remains prevalent in the manipulation of the global human groupmind by the cosmically applicable memeplex, sourcefed and created in the human mentality genomatic matrix.

    The Three Days of Darkness (spiritual-metaphysical as a reconfiguration of the aforementioned memeplex) according to the Thuban archives:



    Friday the 13th
    Morning falls in thickness
    Her heavy air, Grey
    Diamonds scintillating in
    The dawn sky
    Haze of centuries lay over
    The city like a blanket
    Fog of endings
    The silence pierced by
    Raven caw
    Black Beaked and carrion feasted
    Mother of all
    Dove winged she bleeds white
    The thirteenth tribe gathers
    We came to start a fire
    Do not pretend to know me
    Or from where I come
    Gather around our corpses
    And see what flesh the saints eat.
    Julienne Alvarez ® Sept., 13 2013=9/13/13

    How much rain?
    From the afternoon of Sept. 9 through midday on Sept. 13, 14.62 inches of rain fell in Boulder. Average September rainfall in Boulder is only 1.63 inches, according to Weather Channel meteorologist Jon Erdman, adding that Boulder picked up almost nine times its average September monthly rainfall in almost four days. http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&fid=&lastp=1&id=141CBFAC-9D11-4895-B0B2-065CCAAC2703&pageindex=2

    The factual versus the New Age BS aka Nabs

    TonyB, Monday, September 16th, 2013
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  10. shiloh za-rah

    shiloh za-rah Planetary Rebirth

    Posted Sep 18th
    ET Contact and Associations

    [3:45:11 PM-Wednesday, September 18th, 2013 -+10UCT --- TUEWED Day of the Last Supper]

    [3:45:43 PM] Shiloh: Probably fake, but what is your impression about the 37 minute marker?
    [3:50:32 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i saw this a few years back i think
    [3:50:43 PM] Sirius 17: not this particular video but one that showed this same footage
    [3:50:58 PM] Sirius 17: or maybe it was this same footage re-released
    [3:51:16 PM] Shiloh: The general storyline is feasible, telepathic grey etc
    [3:51:36 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i dont know
    [3:51:45 PM] Shiloh: I dont like the human shaded teller though on first impressions
    [3:52:03 PM] Sirius 17: no well he is the whistleblower supposedly
    [3:52:30 PM] Shiloh: Yes and he could be the shadow as well the ceo or whatever
    [3:53:00 PM] Sirius 17: and the fact they actually got footage out of area 51....the question is how
    [3:53:20 PM] Sirius 17: the footage is old
    [3:53:32 PM] Shiloh: Well it seems too much PR actually
    [3:53:43 PM] Sirius 17: or made to look old
    [3:53:48 PM] Shiloh: Directed disinfo perhaps
    [3:54:02 PM] Sirius 17: yes and now its been re-released
    [3:54:04 PM] Shiloh: Most area 51 'leaks' would be
    [3:54:19 PM] Shiloh: Stage seems most likely yes
    [3:54:21 PM] Sirius 17: with a 2013 title
    [3:54:45 PM] Shiloh: Well they would somehow know that 2013 is the beginning of the new
    [3:54:56 PM] Shiloh: As you know personally lol
    [3:55:12 PM] Sirius 17: yeah
    [3:55:36 PM] Shiloh: They debunk the autopsy thing see
    [3:55:44 PM] Sirius 17: well i remember when i first saw this my reaction was viceral at first, then after looking at it over and over the thing moves puppet like
    [3:55:44 PM] Shiloh: This could be markII
    [3:56:12 PM] Shiloh: viceral?
    [3:56:55 PM] Shiloh: I mean too many people figured the autopsy fake so now they try this
    [3:57:21 PM] Sirius 17: i mean it seemed more convincing then any of the other videos i had seen
    [3:57:43 PM] Shiloh: I could accept the telepath label
    [3:59:12 PM] Sirius 17: where did you see this video at? just browsing or on mists?
    [3:59:24 PM] Shiloh: This Baker guy is right I think
    [3:59:51 PM] Shiloh: I like Bob Dean but here he is a little strange
    [3:59:57 PM] Shiloh: Too sure of it
    [4:00:06 PM] Shiloh: Browsing
    [4:01:35 PM] Shiloh: You saw Dean commenting?
    [4:01:59 PM] Shiloh: Unless this really dovetails with his overall experience
    [4:02:17 PM] Shiloh: So I am not sure what to make of it at this point
    [4:02:31 PM] Shiloh: It could be a merkabah utility by the ETs
    [4:02:51 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i did
    [4:03:01 PM] Shiloh: And?
    [4:03:32 PM] Shiloh: I liked Dean until now; though I think his mind has been messed with to some extent
    [4:04:18 PM] Sirius 17:
    View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n_Sl-mZbRo

    [4:04:33 PM] Sirius 17: here is a video with clips from most of the best alien videos
    [4:04:39 PM] Sirius 17: its pretty good
    [4:06:17 PM] Shiloh: I dont know
    [4:06:39 PM] Shiloh: The light being ones seemed the most real
    [4:07:00 PM] Shiloh: As I say, ETs use merkabah utility from the plasma
    [4:07:34 PM] Shiloh: I mean the waveforms transfigure in the cocoon of the density matrix
    [4:08:24 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i dont know
    [4:08:37 PM] Shiloh: Better not to speculate
    [4:08:42 PM] Sirius 17: the only grey i ever saw was in my latest visions that i detailed you
    [4:08:54 PM] Sirius 17: i never dreamed them
    [4:09:00 PM] Shiloh: And he looked anything like one in those videos?
    [4:09:14 PM] Sirius 17: sort of but he was more translucent
    [4:09:19 PM] Sirius 17: i could see through his head
    [4:09:23 PM] Sirius 17: and skin
    [4:09:24 PM] Shiloh: Yes, my point
    [4:09:49 PM] Shiloh: Lightform to plasma-translucent fluidity to solidity
    [4:10:00 PM] Sirius 17: makes sense to me
    [4:10:17 PM] Shiloh: This is how the Rendlsham craft 'solidified'
    [4:10:33 PM] Sirius 17: it did not seem human like, it seemed artificial to me, that the real being behind it was something else
    [4:10:41 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [4:10:59 PM] Shiloh: So Dean might have felt the 'soul' of the ET, see what I mean?
    [4:11:06 PM] Shiloh: Even if this was staged
    [4:11:22 PM] Sirius 17: yet as it looked at my hands and such i was examining its hands and instrumentation and the ship, it was a very strange thing like we switched places half way
    [4:11:33 PM] Sirius 17: yeah oh of course
    [4:11:40 PM] Sirius 17: i think his reaction is genuine
    [4:11:57 PM] Shiloh: But contact is getting closer in a more physical state of beingness
    [4:12:08 PM] Shiloh: Why this stuff is coming out at this time
    [4:12:17 PM] Shiloh: It is gradual and evolves in tandem with the human groupmind and the pockets of cosmic consciousness
    [4:12:30 PM] Sirius 17: yes it seems so
    [4:12:55 PM] Shiloh: His reaction is true, but by how much is he not brain implanted?
    [4:13:28 PM] Shiloh: I like his Logos acceptance, lol
    [4:13:35 PM] Shiloh: This imo can't be faked

    [4:14:45 PM] Shiloh: So when the whistleblower says that the ETs are manipulating the governments, we can now read between the lines
    [4:14:50 PM] Sirius 17: well there is no doubt he has been influenced by the NABS and ufo groups
    [4:15:07 PM] Shiloh: You know what I am addressing with this?
    [4:15:16 PM] Sirius 17: his story seems the most genuine of any of the whistleblowers the cameloters ever interviewed i feel
    [4:15:21 PM] Shiloh: I agree
    [4:15:41 PM] Sirius 17: and they pretty much pulled his teeth to come out and go on the circuit again
    [4:15:44 PM] Sirius 17: i can see this
    [4:15:50 PM] Sirius 17: he dispises being in public
    [4:16:08 PM] Sirius 17: the last thing i think he wants is to be laughingstock
    [4:16:43 PM] Sirius 17: but yes it is possible that some of his story has been auto suggested
    [4:16:58 PM] Sirius 17: by the ufo groupies and such
    [4:17:31 PM] Sirius 17: but not much with him i feel
    [4:17:39 PM] Shiloh: I would not go as far as this.
    [4:17:43 PM] Sirius 17: his story was not over the top
    [4:18:17 PM] Sirius 17: the ones who go over the top and that just seem so unbelievable to me are the ones i have issue with
    [4:18:30 PM] Sirius 17: Bob seems too genuine
    [4:18:45 PM] Sirius 17: i don't see him profiting much off his story
    [4:18:59 PM] Shiloh: I simply mean, that his lifelong association with the 'suppressed information' will have resulted in a certain sensitivity. He could also have been drugged and I am rather sure all of those 'affiliates' are 'affected' by mind altering substances
    [4:19:17 PM] Sirius 17: and i don't think it is his intention to do so, he really wants to understand them and knows it is our future
    [4:19:39 PM] Sirius 17: oh yes i suppose this is possible
    [4:19:51 PM] Shiloh: [4:15 PM] Shiloh:
    <<< You know what I am addressing with this?
    I mean can you discern what REALLY is going on with the ET-Government Contacts?
    [4:20:11 PM] Sirius 17: exactly what he says, they don't know shit about them
    [4:20:17 PM] Shiloh: Exactly
    [4:20:28 PM] Sirius 17: but they know they have far far superior air capabilities
    [4:20:37 PM] Shiloh: And all so called 'contacts' and 'agreements' are not at all what the Nabsers believe
    [4:20:48 PM] Sirius 17: no all that shit is propaganda
    [4:21:01 PM] Shiloh: It is what I hinted at before; plasma merkabah utility
    [4:21:04 PM] Sirius 17: fodder for book sales and conspiracy nuts to profit off of
    [4:21:15 PM] Shiloh: ET intelligences YES, ET bodyforms NO or at best an 'adaptation' to the density matrix
    [4:21:18 PM] Sirius 17: and its a great cover story
    [4:21:36 PM] Shiloh: Yes; I am sharing this on OpScram btw
    [4:21:37 PM] Sirius 17: to the fact our own government knows jack shit
    [4:21:43 PM] Shiloh: It seems poignant to do so
    [4:24:05 PM] Sirius 17: but Bob Deans contact story as well as Drunvalo's inner earth experience to me were genuine experiences although misinterpreted as being real by them. They were real in the extent they mentally went to those places, just like i did with my experience with the 'grey' alien in switching places. But no one has gone anywhere in the physical with them, because these are higher D adventures and the physical doorways have not really been opened yet. When they do open is when we will have absolute contact though, and undoubtable.
    [4:24:14 PM] Shiloh: I agree
    [4:24:51 PM] Sirius 17: were their experiences real? absolutely in that context i just discussed
    [4:25:08 PM] Sirius 17: this is what people do not understand at all
    [4:25:30 PM] Sirius 17: higher D is just as real as everyday life but it is in a different context
    [4:26:02 PM] Sirius 17: just because they were not there in the physical does not negate the reality of the experience
    [4:26:10 PM] Shiloh: Yes, you need to be able to PERCEIVE multidimensionality and this is more than dreaming or imagining it with fancy thinking and whimsicalities
    [4:26:31 PM] Shiloh: It requires 'hard core' 3D rationality
    [4:53:32 PM] Shiloh: I'll add the Bob Dean audio or a youtube where he mentions the Logos
    [4:53:39 PM] Shiloh: You have seen this?
    [4:54:30 PM] Shiloh: Dean mentioned this in context with December 21st, 2012
    [4:54:43 PM] Sirius 17: humm i dont know
    [4:54:51 PM] Shiloh: I look for it
    [4:55:06 PM] Shiloh: The audio is on BOG and forums
    [4:56:43 PM] Shiloh:
    View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCUsFOQK20k

    [5:01:53 PM] Shiloh: Yes, that is the one I recalled

    From the archives of the Thuban Dragon Ark
    Thuban has no affinity with Project Avalon (Bill Ryan), nor Project Camelot (Kerry Cassidy) and I share the following Kerry Cassidy (KC) Interview FYI only. The insistence of Bob Dean, about the 'positiveness' of the human planetary future seemed to 'ruffle' KC a bit and this effect I consider worth of sharing. Basically, Bob Dean claims that the old human race is destined to evolve into a starhuman race destined for the stars. This message is wholly shared by the Thuban Council of the Elders.
    Furthermore, the association of the G(alactic) F(ederation) in the title is a misnomer and has no obvious connections to various nabs channels operating under that label.
    Bob Dean had a NDE in October 2011 and his report seems in harmony with his other accounts and statements. I have linked some Nabs discussion about the shared message below from Project Avalon forum, dated April 2012.


    [​IMG] Bob Dean meets the GF


    Dear friends,

    We don't publish as many "Three Videos Worth Watching" pages anymore as we used to, because since we created a Facebook page last year, we post most interesting videos there. This works much faster. But this next video is too good to be missed, so we post this one here too. This is a must watch!

    Most lightworkers will know Bob Dean (on the right on the picture). He's a retired command sergeant major for the US army, who became a whistleblower. He used to form an ideal interview partner for Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot, because just like her he was primarily interested in all the fuss that was going on between the positive groups and the negative groups on Earth, the so called black ops, and the conspiracies. That's why the interviews of Project Camelot are usually somewhat fear mongering I think, because the conclusion is always that this world could be in danger.

    But now, Bob Dean has had a near death experience. In october last year, he fell into a coma due to viral meningitis, and in fact he died. For some reason, the Galactic Federation decided to catch up with his spirit while he was in the higher realms. This is quite remarkable, because Bob didn't even know of their existence, and he still doesn't know what to call them. He calls them "a third party" in this interview. Maybe they thought he would make a good ambassador for them to spread the word in his circles about what's really going on on our planet right now. And in this video he proves to be just that. Because after receiving him on one of their huge motherships and having showed him the glorious future that awaits mankind after December this year, they (no doubt in consultation with his guides) told Bob that he had to return to Earth, because his job wasn't finished yet.

    And here he meets up with Kerry Cassidy again, but now with a completely different mindset. Kerry, of course, still looks at the current world events from her old point of view. For which she can't be blamed I think, because she just doesn't have the new insight yet that Bob has (and I think most visitors of our site have). But now, suddenly Bob won't have any of it anymore. He's a changed man, he's full of confidence and hope for our future. Alongside with Clifford Stone, who is also spiritual and also used to work for the US military, as an intiutive, communicating with ET's from crashed UFO's. They both reject any scenario of doom and gloom, to Kerry's astonishment. What develops is this pretty bizar interview.

    This video is almost 1,5 hours long. If you don't have much time to watch, the most interesting part is from 33:26 to 41:26.

    Hope you enjoy it!

    In Love and Light,
    Kees, http://galacticchannelings.com/english/index.html

    Update March 9: Steve Beckow's team kindly made a transcript of a part of the interview. Here's the part from 33:26 to 41:26:

    Bob Dean: Let me tell you something. It’s not easy to say that there are the good guys and there are the bad guys, and we’re in the middle. That’s true to a certain extent, and it’s been true for the last ten thousand years, but it isn’t particularly true today, because a third party has entered the game. An advanced culture – and God knows who they are and what they are – but they’re higher in the anti – what do they call it, the hierarchy?

    These guys at the top of the hierarchy are primarily spiritual in nature, and they had intervened. And they have said, “Listen, we’ve had enough of this bullshit where you’ve warred among yourselves, you’ve had these clan disagreements,” and blah blah blah blah, this family and that family, and that culture and that group, that’s going to cease.

    Because the human race has been in the damned middle for so long now that they’ve reached a critical point in their evolution and their development. And we’re going to have to see that the human race survives and makes this awkward, painful transition into a new race, into a new species. And this higher element, this higher spiritual element in the hierarchy, has intervened. And they have literally said, Kerry, “Knock off the bullshit. We’re not going to have any more of this. There’s not going to be any more planetary wars. We’ve had enough of that. We’ve lost too many millions of people over the years. We’re going to control this carefully. We’re going to give them encouragement, we’re going to give them an opportunity, and we’re going to assist them to make this awkward transition into a new race.”

    Now, the only reason I’m hopeful now – when I used to go through this, I was very depressed and very cynical. Because I’d seen so damned much of the knock down, dragged out brawls, not only among our own people, but among some of these guys!

    And then I found out that there is this third party now that’s involved, that couldn’t care less about the clan disputes and the family disagreements and all that, all they care is to see that the human species makes this awkward transition into a new race and can reach out and take our rightful place in space and go to the stars where we belong, for God’s sake.

    Kerry Cassidy: Okay. But that’s their intention, that’s what you’ve been told they want to do because you were taken off world by them supposedly

    Bob Dean: Yes, I was. And they’ve given me encouragement.

    Kerry Cassidy: Okay.

    Bob Dean: And they’ve showed me the future, Kerry, and the future is glorious! We are going to make it, and we’re going to look back at this awkward period, this blackness that we’ve been through for the last century or two, and we’re going to look back like students of history and say, “My God, look what they went through! Look what they did to each other!”

    We’re going to look back from the future into this particular time and place, and we’re going to say, “How in the world did they pull that off? Here they are, killing hundreds of millions of people in these wars, butchering each other! This has got to cease! We can’t let that race off the planet until they evolve and grow and mature where they can be safe!”

    Kerry Cassidy: Okay, but, Bob, these – that rationale, when you’ve got these races, off-planet races who have been warring with each other for eons! So maybe there’s a new guy on the block...

    Bob Dean: Let me tell you something.

    Kerry Cassidy: ...maybe that new guy is orchestrating things here, but actually, I’m going to sit over here and I’m going to be suspicious of even that new guy.

    Bob Dean: Well, it’s all right to be suspicious, and I know where you’re coming from.

    Kerry Cassidy: Did you read Childhood’s End?

    Bob Dean: I was talking to Joe Farrell not too long ago, at another conference. And Joe Farrell has written The Cosmic War. And The Cosmic War is a true story of a war between interplanetary intelligences. And they literally damned near destroyed each other! They destroyed a planet beyond Mars, for God’s sake, in our own solar system!

    But that crap has got to cease! And I have had the opportunity to meet guys from the higher level who said, “We’re not going to allow that to happen anymore. We’re going to give you a chance to make it.” And the only reason I’m hopeful – and I told you this privately, earlier – is that I have seen the future, and there is a future for the human race, and it’s beautiful!

    Kerry Cassidy: Okay. And I appreciate that, okay? And I would agree with you. And I think a lot of people listening to this, who will listen, will agree with you. That’s why we’re all here, that’s what we’re working for. But the work is still to be done. And what I want to do is keep eyes on the ground right now. And I want to talk about the idea of what’s right before people. Because this is 2012, we’re going into 2013, and some of these years are very crucial years. Okay? As you say, these are going to kind of be the years in which the transition happens. So this –

    Bob Dean: It’s happening right now.

    Kerry Cassidy: Exactly. So what I want to talk about here is, first of all, yes, you have a lot of bad kids in the class, okay? And those involve the Illuminati, some of whom are basically being run by certainly groups of Reptilians, certainly a group of Anunnaki that may not have our best interests in mind. They’d like to clear the planet, they’ve got – they’ve got big plans! And they’ve been working on those plans for a very long time. And both of you have – must have been face to face with that agenda.

    Bob Dean: Their agendas exist because they exist, and they’ve had some of their own personal agendas for eons of time. But their plans for our future don’t mean diddly squat! Because there are these higher developed cultures out there that have now intervened. And they’re going to see that the human race is going to be allowed to make it!

    Kerry Cassidy: Okay. And you’ve said that, and I agree. But the thing is, the idea here is not that somebody come in, organize the schoolyard for us, and then they go off on their own business and then we’re left to deal with it. The idea is that we learn to walk on our own.

    Bob Dean: We organize the schoolyard ourselves!

    Kerry Cassidy: Okay. So there is a great importance for the human race to take sovereignty, to take their rightful place as members of the galactic community.

    Bob Dean: Once they under –

    Kerry Cassidy: And to recognize who we are, and to...

    Bob Dean: Once they understand who they are, yes.

    Kerry Cassidy: ...recognize the gifts that we have. Okay?

    Bob Dean: The human race is precious. The human species is so unique that they told me – when I was with them for six weeks, I was asking them question after question after question. I found they were as interested in me as I was interested in them! And I asked them why. And they said, “You human beings don’t grasp who you really are! You have a unique genome that is unique in the galaxy. You’re made up of the patterns and the parts and pieces and genes and whatever of at least 12 different races in the Universe. And as a result of that, we think of you as unique. As a result of that, we look upon your little planet as probably one of the ripest and richest zoological gardens in this quadrant of the galaxy.”

    And that’s the first time I realized that the galaxy had been divided into four parts! I didn’t even realize there was a quadrant. And they said, “Oh, yes, you’re the most unique and precious zoological garden in this quadrant of the galaxy.”

    Kerry Cassidy: Absolutely...

    Bob Dean: “We venerate the planet, we venerate the flora and fauna on it, and we’re going to see that it survives.” Now, I’m getting this from the higher level.

    Shiloh, September 18th, 2013

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