Operation Scrambleweb

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  1. admin

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    Posted May 30th

    mudra wrote:

    What Is Consciousness?

    Love Always

    Shiloh wrote:
    [6:51:12 PM] Shiloh: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas7.html
    [6:51:30 PM] Shiloh: Just read the 'explanations' over the 'lion' here experts and laymen alike
    [6:51:38 PM] Allisiam: and i did read somewhere that to get high up in the catholic church you actually have to become a Satanist, i don't know but it seems the masonics or illuminati has misinterpreted the whole Lucifer story
    [6:51:50 PM] Shiloh: Of course
    [6:52:08 PM] Shiloh: Remember the 'Red Robes' from PA?
    [6:52:27 PM] Shiloh: I did not realize how deep that was
    [6:52:45 PM] Allisiam: oh dear god they don't even know what the fuc11 the lion is
    [6:52:46 PM] Allisiam: lol
    [6:53:00 PM] Shiloh: yes even the translators and academics
    [6:53:00 PM] Allisiam: yes i remember
    [6:53:25 PM] Shiloh: Now who is called the Lion of Judah and Bashan's whelp and in daniel's lion den etc?
    [6:53:40 PM] Shiloh: And who says you must eat my flesh to enter the kingdom?
    [6:53:44 PM] Allisiam: Jesus
    [6:53:48 PM] Shiloh: And still they dont get it
    [6:54:10 PM] Allisiam: yeah this is pretty silly to read
    [6:54:21 PM] Shiloh: Devil's Mind deception
    [6:54:27 PM] Shiloh: And we know what the devil is
    [6:54:31 PM] Shiloh: NOT Lucifer
    [6:54:37 PM] Shiloh: Human thinking
    [6:55:03 PM] Shiloh: Humans have created and are creating ALL EVIL existing every day
    [6:55:08 PM] Allisiam: yes the human memes
    [6:55:21 PM] Shiloh: More than that and it is all scientific
    [6:55:37 PM] Shiloh: Consciousness is space and consciousness CREATES the thoughtforms

    Declaration of WW3 in Memespace; July 14th, 2011 BY and in the name of ABBA and the Love Logos after the completion of 3 days of spiritual darkness in the Whale of Jonah as scripted and fulfilling prophecy

    [8:15:40 AM-July 13th, 2011 +10UCT] Tonyblue: Hi all!
    [8:16:13 AM] Tonyblue: My advice in this chat now renamed as the Abba and Gaia chat; is to AVOID all squabblings
    [8:16:41 AM] Tonyblue: I shall NOT engage in any name callings and ad hominems whatsoever
    [8:17:11 AM] Tonyblue: if a participator cannot act in a polite and civilised manner I will disengage questions and enquiries are welcome from all participators here and from the true Abba Family members and the fake ones, who are here for their own deceptive purposes and hidden agendas even unawares of what those agendas are and represent in the greater contexts
    [8:17:45 AM] Tonyblue: The timeline and way forwards has become rather clear to me and i can answer many questions on this if asked
    [8:18:36 AM] Tonyblue: so when say Xeia or Rok are 'baited', i would say do not 'bite back' and simply ignore the 'baiter'
    [8:19:02 AM] Tonyblue: Raven, well done in crystallizing the fishy flakeness
    [8:19:27 AM] Tonyblue: selfcontradictions of deluded minds will become ever more apparent
    [8:19:51 AM] Tonyblue: Our Abba family does not have to DO anything in that regard
    [8:20:14 AM] Tonyblue: Old Gaia is ascending NOW
    [8:20:22 AM] Tonyblue: She is the Beloved of Abba
    [8:20:53 AM] Tonyblue: For Old Gaia to ascend the original creation of the 'Abomination' must become uncreated
    [8:21:48 AM] Tonyblue: This is the 5th day for this reabsorption of the 'Old messed up world of duality' into itself
    [8:22:18 AM] Tonyblue: All femmes are representatives of this 'Old Gaia'
    [8:22:53 AM] Tonyblue: All femmes will suffer the uncreation, like a aborted fetus journeying back into the womb from which it was born
    [8:23:27 AM] Tonyblue: ONLY the 'sealed' femmes will experience this as a 'relief' an easing of the birthing pains of the delivery
    [8:24:09 AM] Tonyblue: Most femmes are unsealed and so will suffer this same birthing in mental pains and sorrows - the Loss of Abba Love
    [8:28:33 AM] Tonyblue: Raven, Barbelo is Old Gaia and MI has left Old Gaia in Uniqueness to manifest Her manyness
    [8:29:02 AM] Tonyblue: New Gaia is Uniqueness in the BodyMind coupling now given as inheritance to all Sons of Abba
    [8:30:02 AM] Tonyblue: The place where MI was has become a desert and a wilderness (dragon prophecy of Isaiah)
    [8:30:26 AM] Tonyblue: This desert is desolate and just like any middle aged Old Eve
    [8:31:12 AM] Tonyblue: There are many Old Eves and Old Barbelo is diminishing day by day and hour by hour
    [8:31:42 AM] Tonyblue: Abba will choose Old Gaia after the timewarp
    [8:32:29 AM] Tonyblue: as many Old Eves are Old Barbelo in ambassadoraship, any Old Eve can become Abba's beloved in the archetypes
    [8:33:17 AM] Tonyblue: The uniqueness of the templated Old Barbelo is subject to the Mercy Seat of the Logos and beyond Our jurisprudence whatsoever
    [8:34:56 AM] Tonyblue: The cold and calculating mind of the old evil MUST and WILL be mirrored back in the agenda of the Logos to DESTROY the 'Whore of Babylon' - the Lonesome Baby wil fall by her own vanityl
    [8:36:02 AM] Tonyblue: Personally MY Bodycore is New Gaia in uniqueness and unborn, depending on the unbirthing of the Yaltaboath abomination and its deconception at Easter 2012
    [8:37:15 AM] Tonyblue: Then the New Gaia will become manifest in all New Eves and I will then, by the grace of Abba be able to chose my individual BodyMind core coupling
    [8:37:52 AM] Tonyblue: New Gaia must be manyness, before any individualised bodycores can manifest
    [8:38:07 AM] Tonyblue: Rok and fates this applies to you as well as me
    [8:38:14 AM] Tonyblue: we must wait
    [8:38:28 AM] Tonyblue: as Rok said it is too early for any polyness in 3D
    [8:39:40 AM] Tonyblue: the path forwards is well and truly set by this antibirth followed by a birth
    [8:39:47 AM] Tonyblue: the plugs have indeed been pulled
    [8:40:09 AM] Tonyblue: The entire timeline is 530 days
    [8:40:45 AM] Tonyblue: 265 days in timewarp of the antibirth of Old Gaia and 265 days of the rebirth as New Gaia
    [8:41:10 AM] Tonyblue: WE here are the True Family of the now most powerful name in all creation
    [8:41:40 AM] Tonyblue: ABBA LIVES and Rules and is preparing to be as One with his Beloved New Gaia
    [8:41:57 AM] Tonyblue: They and noone else are OUR Real and True parents cosmically
    [8:42:43 AM] Tonyblue: many will make fun and ridicule this name - accelerating their own mental destructions
    [8:43:02 AM] Tonyblue: there are parallel agendas mimicking and copycatting this timeline
    [8:43:26 AM] Tonyblue: anyone's discernment will see the synchronicities
    [8:44:21 AM] Tonyblue: the greater the synchronicities, the greater the antilove of the EVIL=LIVE will be as the VEIL of human selfdeception, its vanity and its ignorance
    [8:51:26 AM] Tonyblue: For the eyes that can read between the lines i share this. You can ask questions on the correct interpretations if you wish to do so:
    [8:51:33 AM] Tonyblue:

    Revelation 12

    1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
    2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
    3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
    4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
    5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
    6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
    11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
    13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
    14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
    15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
    16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
    17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    [8:54:27 AM] Tonyblue: The remnant of the Seed of Noah Abraham is Abba&Gaia Family
    [8:55:17 AM] Tonyblue: So as you should see there is a Fake Dragon of false love and a True Dragon of Logos Love
    [8:55:45 AM] Tonyblue: Red+Cyan=Balance and Harmony in a monadised duality NOT possible before the end of the war
    [8:57:02 AM] Tonyblue: E=hf in colours added and E=mc² in colours subtracted
    [9:09:08 AM] fates---: hmm the deconstruction of Yaltaboath, the anti-abba?
    [9:09:59 AM] Tonyblue: yes fates
    [9:10:22 AM] Tonyblue: its something that happened when the universe was born 19 billion years ago
    [9:10:47 AM] Tonyblue: its science and cosmic history and metaphysics all together blended
    [9:11:12 AM] Tonyblue: this cannot be explained in a story like most want it is far to deep and interwoven
    [9:11:38 AM] Tonyblue: so i have decided to answer specific questions and no longer try to share the big pictures
    [9:11:48 AM] Tonyblue: peole just get more confused
    [9:11:53 AM] fates---: well ok
    [9:12:09 AM] fates---: so, anti abba is fear right?
    [9:12:36 AM] Tonyblue: see ikf someone asks a good and intelligent question this presumes that the questioner has at least thought about this a little
    [9:12:40 AM] Tonyblue: nono
    [9:12:54 AM] Tonyblue: antiAbba is simply antistate
    [9:13:07 AM] Tonyblue: but yes in most basic terms its Love versus Fear ok
    [9:13:23 AM] Tonyblue: AntiLove=Fear by definition then
    [9:13:33 AM] fates---: it seems like one cannot exist entirely in love
    [9:13:41 AM] Tonyblue: many new agers think that way but it is still stereotype
    [9:13:50 AM] Tonyblue: context fates
    [9:13:53 AM] fates---: if love and fear are opposities
    [9:14:07 AM] Tonyblue: without the NO love love would not know what it is
    [9:14:18 AM] Tonyblue: sort of you are thinking good
    [9:14:33 AM] Tonyblue: without hot cold has no meaning
    [9:14:35 AM] fates---: to know love, there must be fear
    [9:14:43 AM] fates---: i see yes
    [9:14:46 AM] Tonyblue: well absence of love
    [9:15:00 AM] Tonyblue: Absence of Love is now paramount
    [9:15:16 AM] fates---: so well, what exactually does Yalta embody
    [9:15:21 AM] Tonyblue: Fear is an expression of this absence not the only expression
    [9:15:38 AM] Tonyblue: Yalta is the Creation without a Creator
    [9:15:54 AM] Tonyblue: so NO Lovemaking creates abominations
    [9:16:14 AM] Tonyblue: its also the 'forgetfulness' of the entire universe in selfconsciousness
    [9:16:18 AM] fates---: some creature of the falseness
    [9:16:29 AM] fates---: some false made true, a lie
    [9:16:30 AM] Tonyblue: yes but not really a creature
    [9:16:38 AM] Tonyblue: yes its logistics
    [9:16:52 AM] Tonyblue: the creatures are all manmade creations of the mind
    [9:17:02 AM] Tonyblue: they are real relative to their creators
    [9:17:22 AM] Tonyblue: so everyones idea of gods and devils becomes REAL to them
    [9:17:23 AM] fates---: is this like the rift or dark center
    [9:17:33 AM] fates---: edge of creation
    [9:17:39 AM] Tonyblue: well again you are generalising
    [9:18:02 AM] Tonyblue: well yes edge of creation will be the abyss between the created and the void say
    [9:18:32 AM] fates---: i see the universe as pushing outwards into the void
    [9:18:38 AM] fates---: perhaps this is wrong
    [9:18:40 AM] Tonyblue: yes it is
    [9:18:59 AM] Tonyblue: this void is the 12th dimension in a way
    [9:19:14 AM] fates---: hmm i see
    [9:19:20 AM] Tonyblue: i mean you are right here
    [9:19:40 AM] Tonyblue: but there was an older void too see
    [9:19:49 AM] Tonyblue: and this is what is being dissolved now
    [9:20:21 AM] fates---: so this creation was the remnent in the 12th dimentional void, and as we close the dimentional gaps we will find it again?
    [9:20:40 AM] Tonyblue: pretty good take of you bravo
    [9:20:57 AM] Tonyblue: you are a clever man at times
    [9:21:06 AM] fates---: thanks
    [9:21:16 AM] Tonyblue: i appreciate your intelligent questions
    [9:21:17 AM] fates---: where does abba exist?
    [9:21:22 AM] fates---: 11th?
    [9:21:31 AM] Tonyblue: inside and outside the 12th D
    [9:21:58 AM] Tonyblue: inside it is physics in its limits and outside it is infinite
    [9:22:12 AM] Tonyblue: Abba is All Things
    [9:22:24 AM] Tonyblue: but wishes to have a Body yours
    [9:22:26 AM] fates---: but what is not abba is what does not exist
    [9:22:37 AM] fates---: so we are fighting something that does not exist
    [9:23:01 AM] Tonyblue: The context of Not Abba is precisely the void of the old existence before space and time iow
    [9:23:42 AM] fates---: is this the chaotic dream created by the sinularities mirrors?
    [9:23:54 AM] Tonyblue: yes in a way we are fighting that what does not exist but exists as false idols and the monstrosities created by the human cocreators as shards of Abba
    [9:24:18 AM] Tonyblue: again i would say your symbols are appropriate
    [9:24:48 AM] Tonyblue: we are the singularity mirrors indeed
    [9:24:53 AM] fates---: but something brought into existance by humans is the work of abba
    [9:24:58 AM] Tonyblue: Abba is the singularity within all of us
    [9:25:04 AM] Tonyblue: yes it is
    [9:25:17 AM] fates---: why would abba create something false
    [9:25:19 AM] Tonyblue: all humans and sentient lifeforms are Abba's Children
    [9:25:30 AM] Tonyblue: to create the CONTEXT
    [9:25:56 AM] Tonyblue: without context Abba cannot be ABBA LoveGod
    [9:26:13 AM] Tonyblue: including a new Eros
    [9:26:18 AM] Tonyblue: or Sexgod as well
    [9:26:55 AM] Tonyblue: Abba is both LIVE and EVIL
    [9:26:56 AM] fates---: so what would you consider a work of Yalta
    [9:27:12 AM] fates---: brb phone
    [9:27:32 AM] Tonyblue: Yalta is the false image for ABBA as 'perceived' by the human minds
    [9:27:41 AM] fates---: back, it was nothing
    [9:27:55 AM] Tonyblue: so the work of yalta becomes the WORKS of human minds
    [9:28:24 AM] Tonyblue: all the atrocities and wars and abuse are manmade as the yalta image being the FAKE idea of what Abba is
    [9:29:10 AM] Tonyblue: so in a way it is very simple
    [9:29:11 AM] fates---: so it is our persumption of abba, such as holy wars
    [9:29:21 AM] Tonyblue: go into your bathroom and look in a mirror
    [9:29:40 AM] Tonyblue: if you dont like to see fates in the mirror take a rock and smash the mirror
    [9:29:53 AM] Tonyblue: bingo 'fates exists but yalta fates is gone
    [9:30:06 AM] Tonyblue: of course
    [9:30:46 AM] Tonyblue: as long as the mirror exists yalta exists see this?
    [9:30:55 AM] fates---: so whatever abba is, yalta isnt and vise versa, but both are the same being. so what is really being attacked is the negative aspects of abba
    [9:31:05 AM] Tonyblue: this mirror is NOT a 3d mirror like in your bathroom
    [9:31:16 AM] Tonyblue: it is a metaphysical higherD mirror
    [9:31:26 AM] Tonyblue: the 11th dimension actually
    [9:31:30 AM] Tonyblue: see you were right?
    [9:31:54 AM] Tonyblue: well not really the negative aspects are still necessary
    [9:32:09 AM] Tonyblue: but they can be KNOWN for what they are and so NOT expressed
    [9:32:50 AM] Tonyblue: starhumans aka dragons KNOW Abba and Logos this makes all the difference
    [9:32:52 AM] fates---: if creation is fueled from the void, then why attack the void
    [9:33:02 AM] Tonyblue: they are the clever new galactic citizens
    [9:33:16 AM] Tonyblue: noone is attacking the void fates
    [9:33:25 AM] Tonyblue: The Void = Eternity
    [9:33:51 AM] Tonyblue: the Oneness is reconfiguring itself as the CHILD of Eternity and the Void say
    [9:34:19 AM] Tonyblue: Eternity is your cosmic Dad and the Void is your cosmic Mum
    [9:34:35 AM] fates---: hmm yes
    [9:35:04 AM] Tonyblue: its not hard but most people are too trapped in their own ideas about reality to get the basics right
    [9:35:19 AM] Tonyblue: so it all becomes futile in their intellectualisings and their intiuitions
    [9:35:39 AM] Tonyblue: you are doing well though
    [9:35:55 AM] Tonyblue: thinking very well very unhuman lol
    [9:36:06 AM] Tonyblue: why humans consider you insane
    [9:36:27 AM] Tonyblue: its is THEM who are crazy not you its mirrors again

    [9:36:32 AM] fates---: so we are stopping abba from making images of itself, like how it learned from the singularity
    [9:37:00 AM] Tonyblue: in a way yes because Abba is ALL Images once you get it
    [9:37:32 AM] Tonyblue: so its a tricky encoding again in the bibles and the koran and the vedas
    [9:38:04 AM] Tonyblue: not to be read by the fainthearted as it is highly symbolic and not historical
    [9:38:29 AM] fates---: so how does abba stop itself
    [9:38:36 AM] Tonyblue: why so many hate it so much abuse has come from the mistranslations
    [9:38:42 AM] Tonyblue: he doesn't
    [9:38:51 AM] Tonyblue: yalta is manmade
    [9:39:04 AM] Tonyblue: man so must destroy its own fakery
    [9:39:18 AM] Tonyblue: Abba is NOT manmade it is primary source
    [9:39:37 AM] Tonyblue: man is true image of Abba yalta is false image of man
    [9:40:00 AM] fates---: this isnt the ego self
    [9:40:05 AM] Tonyblue: you are Abba AND yalta
    [9:40:17 AM] Tonyblue: yalta is a form of human ego
    [9:40:40 AM] Tonyblue: destroy yalta and your ego will become like the ego of Jesus divine
    [9:41:02 AM] Tonyblue: Jesus destroyed 'his' yalta before he went on his missions
    [9:41:17 AM] fates---: so it is an individual transformation
    [9:41:23 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [9:41:49 AM] Tonyblue: your Lucifer becomes old yalta dead new Lucifer born as lightbringer
    [9:42:10 AM] Tonyblue: Bad Lucifer becomes Good Lucifer say
    [9:42:21 AM] fates---: i see, this reminds me of my confrontation
    [9:42:24 AM] Tonyblue: Good Lucifer = Logos
    [9:42:40 AM] Tonyblue: of course this is what i thought
    [9:43:09 AM] fates---: to correct the anti infinity
    [9:43:30 AM] fates---: or to get lucifer to change directions in the self
    [9:43:40 AM] Tonyblue: antiinfinity here requires precise definition
    [9:43:59 AM] Tonyblue: can be negative infinity see OR can be the void
    [9:44:16 AM] Tonyblue: you are too personal here
    [9:44:31 AM] Tonyblue: you dont have to 'engage' your yalta
    [9:44:42 AM] Tonyblue: you are to UNDERSTAND what it is
    [9:44:47 AM] Tonyblue: this is sufficient
    [9:44:56 AM] fates---: hmm
    [9:45:00 AM] Tonyblue: it will transform itself through your understanding
    [9:45:21 AM] Tonyblue: yes there are NO personal battles with the 'evil'
    [9:45:37 AM] Tonyblue: NONunderstanding=Sin=Ignorance
    [9:45:43 AM] fates---: so filling yourself with the right information is key
    [9:45:47 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [9:45:56 AM] fates---: hmm i see
    [9:45:56 AM] Tonyblue: keeping 'good company'
    [9:46:15 AM] fates---: ive constatntly redefined events and thoughts in my mind
    [9:46:23 AM] Tonyblue: yes too complicated
    [9:46:25 AM] fates---: one event or thought can be restranslated
    [9:46:35 AM] Tonyblue: time for simplicity BUT focus and intent
    [9:46:50 AM] Tonyblue: its a long haul for all of us
    [9:47:08 AM] Tonyblue: but this Abba chat now will become very potent and family oriented
    [9:47:51 AM] fates---: i see it as layers of understanding, one starts with the dogmatic understanding and progresses or accends with logical changes
    [9:48:23 AM] Tonyblue: yes learning curves
    [9:48:40 AM] Tonyblue: femmes have great difficuties with its logic mostly
    [9:48:56 AM] Tonyblue: so we blueys should help them
    [9:49:36 AM] fates---: ive been trying to figure out if i am the arcytypes i embody, were they my past lives, shards of the past memories that make me, or simply tools to wrap my mind around a concept as i play a role
    [9:50:21 AM] Tonyblue: well ABBA is all archetypes and so are you
    [9:50:51 AM] Tonyblue: as said if you agree to be a particular archetype then you will share in its energy
    [9:50:53 AM] fates---: so you are saying there is no linear approach to reincarnation
    [9:51:03 AM] Tonyblue: definitely
    [9:51:14 AM] Tonyblue: it is multiD
    [9:51:29 AM] fates---: i was born fresh, completely without a past life
    [9:51:43 AM] Tonyblue: well relative to a certain perception
    [9:52:07 AM] Tonyblue: you can own this perception yes if you wish and define yourself as ET
    [9:52:55 AM] Tonyblue: if you can define yourself as an Elder of the Dragons then you will be able to access 12D
    [9:53:19 AM] Tonyblue: being 22 years old in 3d becomes of little consequence
    [9:53:45 AM] Tonyblue: but accessing 12D requires great responsibility
    [9:54:16 AM] Tonyblue: the NABS does NOT access 12D no matter what they are babbling about about ascended masters and their 'guides'
    [9:54:34 AM] Tonyblue: NABS is 4d to 98%
    [9:54:49 AM] Tonyblue: very few 'channels' ever get to higher Ds
    [9:55:01 AM] Tonyblue: its requires timegates
    [9:55:30 AM] Tonyblue: ABBA energy can unlock timegates no other 'gods or demons' can
    [9:55:35 AM] Tonyblue: even ptb is stuck
    [9:56:06 AM] fates---: yes, when it comes down to it, there is really one source of conciousness
    [9:56:13 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [9:56:20 AM] fates---: i think religiion and the nabs spreads this out and redefines it
    [9:56:27 AM] Tonyblue: Prime Creator
    [9:56:42 AM] Tonyblue: its BS and is getting worse by the day
    [9:57:04 AM] Tonyblue: religion new age and science all are hoodwinked now
    [9:57:29 AM] fates---: yes i have noticed that they have become lost in their own definitions
    [9:57:37 AM] Tonyblue: precisely
    [9:57:40 AM] Tonyblue: chaos rules
    [9:57:50 AM] Tonyblue: chaos of the minds
    [9:57:55 AM] fates---: i have to continually redefine how i view myself and the world
    [9:58:17 AM] Tonyblue: just BE fates as son of Abba you cant miss
    [9:58:27 AM] Tonyblue: but surrender to this ABBA
    [9:58:58 AM] Tonyblue: all you need to do is to call him Your dad
    [9:59:12 AM] fates---: so the whole archangeles and demons and ectra are just lower dimentional
    [9:59:20 AM] fates---: well in terms of like thr 56789th
    [9:59:28 AM] Tonyblue: He already is inside your heart and soul waiting for your acknowledgements
    [9:59:38 AM] Tonyblue: YES Fates
    [9:59:52 AM] Tonyblue: you can basically FORGET all those lower D definitions
    [10:00:05 AM] Tonyblue: archangels, demons blah blah
    [10:00:26 AM] fates---: so they do exist, in those dimentional realities
    [10:00:33 AM] fates---: but thats not our point of focus
    [10:00:36 AM] Tonyblue: they do exist
    [10:01:01 AM] Tonyblue: yes they are YOUR children just as you are the Son of Abba and Gaia period
    [10:01:22 AM] fates---: i see
    [10:01:26 AM] Tonyblue: so the archangels are YOUR family not rulers or such things
    [10:01:33 AM] fates---: i always viewed them as such
    [10:01:42 AM] fates---: as i put myself in their roles
    [10:01:47 AM] Tonyblue: make them your friends
    [10:02:08 AM] Tonyblue: the mancreated devils and demons are your PETS and familiars
    [10:02:21 AM] Tonyblue: but your role is higher
    [10:03:08 AM] fates---: i see, making friends with these spirits have been the reason for the trials
    [10:03:12 AM] Tonyblue: as Jesus said: you will judge angels - what more is there to the affairs of this old world
    [10:03:26 AM] Tonyblue: yes but act wisely
    [10:03:40 AM] Tonyblue: you will be responsible for your 'friends' and creations
    [10:04:01 AM] Tonyblue: you are their dad and friend not their king or ruler
    [10:04:20 AM] Tonyblue: well many will continue to Lord it over others but you know what i mean
    [10:04:40 AM] fates---: yes, makes sense
    [10:04:51 AM] fates---: always loved those who i assended with, and talked to
    [10:04:56 AM] Tonyblue: Rational Thinking is most important in this
    [10:04:57 AM] fates---: as equals
    [10:05:08 AM] Tonyblue: well not equals fates
    [10:05:19 AM] Tonyblue: they are thougth creations of human history
    [10:05:26 AM] Tonyblue: other humans are your equals
    [10:05:32 AM] fates---: there is always a question, "do you want to be king" or "rule"
    [10:05:42 AM] fates---: and i say that what right do i have to rule over them
    [10:05:49 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [10:06:00 AM] Tonyblue: they are your children
    [10:06:07 AM] Tonyblue: do parents rule their kids?
    [10:06:14 AM] Tonyblue: same thing here
    [10:06:15 AM] fates---: no
    [10:06:16 AM] fates---: i see
    [10:06:19 AM] fates---: this makes sense
    [10:06:23 AM] fates---: they always ask me that
    [10:06:23 AM] Tonyblue: they grow up and then become independent
    [10:06:48 AM] Tonyblue: with the familiars they will be happy to stay a little dependent on you
    [10:06:59 AM] Tonyblue: but as family NOT as King and subjects
    [10:07:28 AM] fates---: yes, as it should be
    [10:07:34 AM] fates---: i think its a test
    [10:08:01 AM] fates---: usually it is one
    [10:08:13 AM] Tonyblue: as a quest for integrity and honour yes
    [10:08:24 AM] fates---: yes
    [10:08:26 AM] Tonyblue: there are many dishonourable people about now
    [10:09:04 AM] fates---: so we accept the role of parent, or were we alway dragons?
    [10:09:09 AM] Tonyblue: lost in thier own human vanities of how 'much they know' themselves
    [10:09:30 AM] Tonyblue: You always were a dragon but have now begun to remember this
    [10:10:20 AM] fates---: hmm i see, so there is this that i was before this human life
    [10:10:30 AM] Tonyblue: yes indeed
    [10:10:42 AM] Tonyblue: you are as old as the universe'
    [10:10:55 AM] Tonyblue: you CAME from the Void of Eternity
    [10:11:20 AM] Tonyblue: those firstcomers were the True Dragons
    [10:11:32 AM] Tonyblue: of 12D
    [10:12:01 AM] Tonyblue: very few can be Dragons in this point in the linear human history
    [10:12:14 AM] Tonyblue: i hope most in this chat can
    [10:12:22 AM] Tonyblue: we shall see
    [10:13:04 AM] fates---: yes, i seem to be on the training program to be conditioned and grow into myself once again
    [10:13:26 AM] Tonyblue: you are doing well as far as i can discern your timeline
    [10:13:32 AM] fates---: perhaps i did this as i progressed down the dimentions
    [10:13:44 AM] fates---: that is why i dont belive i came from the human reincarnation cycle
    [10:13:48 AM] Tonyblue: well old symbols and stories again
    [10:13:55 AM] Tonyblue: the fall of the sephirots
    [10:14:10 AM] Tonyblue: Kabbalah Tree of Life Djed of Abba
    [10:14:41 AM] fates---: hmm yes, i guess they are all within us
    [10:14:53 AM] Tonyblue: well you being here and staying around means you can take the Logos Fire
    [10:15:42 AM] fates---: so the memories or shards of my accention are defined previous to my incarnation, that is what defines my inner tree of life
    [10:15:54 AM] fates---: i am a product of many things
    [10:16:14 AM] Tonyblue: yes in your incarnated Bodyform you are a memory of ABBA
    [10:16:26 AM] Tonyblue: Your BODY is the remembrance as a Data collector
    [10:16:56 AM] Tonyblue: when people die, they forfeit their bodies see and so they also bring their data back to Abba
    [10:17:36 AM] Tonyblue: all dead people without bodies are 'failing' tests in a way
    [10:17:59 AM] Tonyblue: but this has changed too now since 2008
    [10:18:27 AM] fates---: so someone who died before me is either recycled into a new body or
    [10:18:31 AM] Tonyblue: your Body is the Temple of Abba and Gaia
    [10:18:43 AM] Tonyblue: many possibilities
    [10:18:59 AM] Tonyblue: reincarnation is factual but not linear it is cosmic multiD
    [10:19:22 AM] Tonyblue: its like computer downloads
    [10:19:33 AM] Tonyblue: you can edit modify and UPGRADE
    [10:19:43 AM] Tonyblue: this is what happens to 'souls
    [10:19:45 AM] Tonyblue: '
    [10:20:12 AM] Tonyblue: souls are really soul families
    [10:20:36 AM] Tonyblue: so the fates you know as you is only part here and with other parts elsewhere
    [10:22:03 AM] Tonyblue: the souls then incarnate in bodies trying to make the bodies a more permanent HOME for Abba and Gaia
    [10:22:16 AM] Tonyblue: this is called immortality
    [10:22:34 AM] Tonyblue: only Dragons can become immortal
    [10:23:01 AM] Tonyblue: and it does not matter if people wanna belive this or not
    [10:23:11 AM] Tonyblue: they all die nowadays dont they?
    [10:23:52 AM] Tonyblue: Only one true dragon exists in Jesus and he has become the SHARING of himself as the immortal bodyform
    [10:24:04 AM] Tonyblue: Our Inheritance if we can stay the course
    [10:24:52 AM] fates---: i see, so we are completing or recollecting the arcytypes into ourselves such that we will not need to split anymore
    [10:25:00 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [10:25:03 AM] fates---: immortality is the collection of the whole
    [10:25:07 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [10:25:13 AM] Tonyblue: as a holofractal
    [10:25:32 AM] Tonyblue: the so called 'Body of Christ' the 'Body of the Resurrection'
    [10:25:52 AM] Tonyblue: these names put people off and the reason is that it is meant to put people off
    [10:25:55 AM] fates---: so taking in and being arcytypes intercepts the sources in higher dimentions and creates a copy of its data onto this body
    [10:26:06 AM] Tonyblue: YEP
    [10:26:12 AM] Tonyblue: good thinking Morgan
    [10:26:23 AM] Tonyblue: excellent actually
    [10:26:34 AM] Tonyblue: i wish the femmes could think like you
    [10:27:05 AM] Tonyblue: eternity wants to be copied
    [10:27:27 AM] Tonyblue: parrots and copycats this eternity of the infinities
    [10:27:33 AM] Tonyblue: Mare Infinitum
    [10:27:45 AM] Tonyblue: Eternal Gaia Mother of All Things
    [10:27:59 AM] fates---: that makes sense, i probably was not those arcytypes, but a shard becomming a whole again
    [10:28:27 AM] Tonyblue: Maria Infinity is MY personal shadow of this yours will have the same energy but a different name
    [10:28:48 AM] Tonyblue: yes you are a ABBA Shard
    [10:29:07 AM] Tonyblue: a hologram
    [10:29:19 AM] Tonyblue: like the holodecks of startrek
    [10:29:50 AM] Tonyblue: but unlike those you are to be REAL
    [10:29:57 AM] Tonyblue: in 5D
    [10:30:08 AM] Tonyblue: 4spaceD +Time
    [10:30:36 AM] Tonyblue: the archetypes are all energy signatures
    [10:30:55 AM] fates---: so working backwards, if the 5th dimention is the manifestationreality, we will relearn how to manifest
    [10:31:02 AM] Tonyblue: who have NO BODY or form BUT are thyen given imaginary forms buy human cocreators
    [10:31:08 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [10:31:16 AM] Tonyblue: 5d is teleportative
    [10:31:28 AM] Tonyblue: 4d is not
    [10:31:56 AM] Tonyblue: as the 4th hyperspace dimension allows the negation of distance separation
    [10:32:34 AM] fates---: so we pull our dreams to reality
    [10:32:51 AM] Tonyblue: its perpendicular to the 3D of left-right and up-down and forwards-backwards
    [10:33:01 AM] Tonyblue: yes this is the stuff of the dreams
    [10:33:19 AM] Tonyblue: in physical reality this demands an extra dimension to 'move in'
    [10:33:43 AM] fates---: so in body they are our children, meaning angels will manifest
    [10:34:05 AM] Tonyblue: well some angels will want to be part of your new merkabah
    [10:34:10 AM] Tonyblue: as are demons
    [10:34:30 AM] Tonyblue: all angels MUST be 'married' to demons for them to participate
    [10:34:34 AM] fates---: i see, so the angels are choosing bodies
    [10:34:41 AM] Tonyblue: yes they might
    [10:34:58 AM] fates---: this is going to happen in 2012
    [10:35:11 AM] Tonyblue: old angels and demons in apartness are doomed to the Lake of Fire and Brimstone
    [10:35:29 AM] Tonyblue: well the 4th dimension will OPEN UP yes
    [10:35:52 AM] Tonyblue: what will manifest depends on what happens between July 10th, 2011 and then
    [10:37:10 AM] Tonyblue: this timeframe is unprecedented in the entire human and cosmic history
    [10:37:11 AM] fates---: so the marring of my inner angels and demons make them collect to myself
    [10:37:36 AM] Tonyblue: why so many crackpots and false redeemers are running about confusing people even more
    [10:37:43 AM] Tonyblue: yes fates
    [10:37:56 AM] Tonyblue: as you said in your post which i used
    [10:37:56 AM] fates---: yes, i became quite dillusinal myself in the process
    [10:38:26 AM] fates---: yes, that was my conclusion with the war of the meems
    [10:38:44 AM] Tonyblue: yes you have learned many things by now and are ready
    [10:38:59 AM] fates---: i would like to collect as many into myself as possible
    [10:39:12 AM] Tonyblue: i had to learn too and am ready now for the countdown
    [10:39:30 AM] Tonyblue: there are no limits
    [10:40:04 AM] fates---: yes, it defines what im supposed to be i think, this was layed out and conditioned for me
    [10:40:07 AM] Tonyblue: all memes you come across in films, books, cyberspace all are memory storable and so assimilative
    [10:40:25 AM] fates---: yes, no wonder why i own myself as soo many things
    [10:40:32 AM] Tonyblue: you have been doing this in your sexfantasies
    [10:40:37 AM] fates---: video games and movies
    [10:40:43 AM] Tonyblue: all good
    [10:41:47 AM] fates---: do you predict massive changes in the world or are things going to stay the same. economically, physically, ect
    [10:42:04 AM] fates---: will we know magika and ect
    [10:42:12 AM] fates---: just conjure money
    [10:42:17 AM] Tonyblue: perhaps 20 years are required fates to change the present human civilisation
    [10:42:17 AM] fates---: seems like a foolish idea
    [10:42:38 AM] Tonyblue: BUT some form of contact will be NECESSARY
    [10:43:02 AM] Tonyblue: airpower will become ABBA power
    [10:43:14 AM] Tonyblue: this is written
    [10:43:27 AM] Tonyblue: the old world will be Invaded
    [10:43:35 AM] Tonyblue: By Abba family
    [10:44:06 AM] Tonyblue: money will become a cosmic accreditation system
    [10:44:23 AM] fates---: like karma
    [10:44:27 AM] Tonyblue: armies will become civil rescue operations
    [10:44:44 AM] Tonyblue: jails will be opened
    [10:44:57 AM] Tonyblue: medical and educational systems will be replaced
    [10:45:31 AM] Tonyblue: politica will selftransform in a new global 'Abba party' lol
    [10:45:51 AM] Tonyblue: most will 'vote' the old BS out in the first election after contact
    [10:46:02 AM] Tonyblue: about 20 years fates i dont know details
    [10:46:46 AM] fates---: hmm interesting, on my 22nd birthday, i solved all the meemes starting with the current time and going onwards to infinity
    [10:47:07 AM] fates---: although i dont really remember it, it was a univestal test
    [10:47:20 AM] fates---: to see if i could continue to solve the meemes as they were presencted
    [10:47:29 AM] fates---: matrix senerios and ect
    [10:47:54 AM] Tonyblue: Memes will EITHER become part of Abba family OR be outcasts until they do
    [10:47:58 AM] fates---: alien assimulation, politial and socialeconomical issues
    [10:48:12 AM] fates---: very diverse topics
    [10:48:12 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [10:48:40 AM] Tonyblue: seems like the dragons invisible have 'prepared' you to think in certain ways
    [10:48:55 AM] fates---: it was if i was being beamed a ton of meemes and future historical events to watch and solve
    [10:49:09 AM] Tonyblue: hmm i like this
    [10:49:34 AM] Tonyblue: you might be prepared for a 'Anubian Council'
    [10:49:37 AM] fates---: i knew my memories would be locked afterwards, so i defined them as timeflowers for myself
    [10:49:44 AM] fates---: as i move forwards
    [10:49:53 AM] Tonyblue: well i cant comment
    [10:50:09 AM] Tonyblue: but it seems a Roundtable has a seat of the Elders for you
    [10:50:33 AM] Tonyblue: to help the new World in those more 'mundane' transformation agendas
    [10:50:42 AM] fates---: i was born for this, i think
    [10:50:51 AM] fates---: to be whatever i was defined to be
    [10:51:02 AM] Tonyblue: many cocreators will be required to participate in many 'Council's of the Elders'
    [10:51:19 AM] Tonyblue: as all 'politics' will become local self government basically
    [10:52:21 AM] Tonyblue: the fakes of course also have their 'councils' like the keylontians and the cassiopeians and the 'GLF' and the 'councils' of false prophets
    [10:53:04 AM] Tonyblue: Abba will also have such Elders of the Dragons agreeing on particular issues necessitated
    [10:53:49 AM] fates---: so our concil is the true council of abba, and there are no others
    [10:53:57 AM] fates---: false prophet concils
    [10:54:06 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [10:54:32 AM] Tonyblue: but as said until the birth many 'ideas' and cosmologies are in fact on an equal footing
    [10:54:52 AM] Tonyblue: so Thuban could be a 'false prophet council' or the 'real one'
    [10:55:11 AM] Tonyblue: this ABBA, Gaia and the Logos will JUDGE not the creators of those ideas
    [10:55:37 AM] fates---: my life has been too well defined and supernatual in my conditioning for this to be false
    [10:55:42 AM] Tonyblue: I am confident that Thuban will EAT all other 'councils' lol
    [10:55:51 AM] fates---: i would persume so
    [10:56:00 AM] Tonyblue: I might be mistaken and then i would be a 'false prophet' indeed
    [10:56:11 AM] fates---: we will become the seat of power of abbas influence
    [10:56:39 AM] Tonyblue: I shall live or die with my conviction of BEING a Friend and Beloved of Abba and Gaia and the Logos
    [10:56:53 AM] fates---: i have made very certain that you are not a false prophet
    [10:57:10 AM] Tonyblue: I cannot JUDGE this however not at all!
    [10:57:21 AM] Tonyblue: thank you fates
    [10:57:45 AM] Tonyblue: this means that when i declare other councils to be false that this must be true then
    [10:57:51 AM] Tonyblue: can you see this?
    [10:57:55 AM] fates---: yes
    [10:58:06 AM] fates---: if it is in sync then i agree
    [10:58:15 AM] fates---: i am very keen on this
    [10:58:20 AM] Tonyblue: Well Anu is redeemed lol in you you have eaten the King of Nibiru
    [10:58:47 AM] Tonyblue: so you can have the last laugh about the return of the Annunaki
    [10:59:03 AM] Tonyblue: you decide what this shall be
    [10:59:04 AM] fates---: haha yes
    [10:59:13 AM] Tonyblue: not some NABS fearmongers
    [10:59:29 AM] fates---: they are in competition for roles if they truly know what they are doing
    [10:59:38 AM] Tonyblue: exactly
    [10:59:54 AM] fates---: i do not assume anything, i just echo what i am
    [11:00:02 AM] fates---: what i was conditioned to believe
    [11:00:09 AM] Tonyblue: as said you are Abba's Son
    [11:00:32 AM] Tonyblue: and Abba is the NEW all encompassing deity and the ONLY ONE
    [11:00:45 AM] Tonyblue: all other 'fathers' and gods and devils and demons are DEAD
    [11:01:04 AM] fates---: or consumed by us
    [11:01:27 AM] Tonyblue: YES if you can FEEL this you have ascended and left the Old World NOW
    [11:01:45 AM] Tonyblue: you have become a witness an observer a bystander
    [11:02:03 AM] Tonyblue: waiting for Gaia to EXECUTE her plan
    [11:02:13 AM] Tonyblue: and many many heads will roll
    [11:02:16 AM] fates---: yes, this is and has always been my mission
    [11:02:27 AM] Tonyblue: like in the guillotine of the French revolution
    [11:02:45 AM] Tonyblue: since July 10th, Logos is at WAR
    [11:02:56 AM] Tonyblue: War to the Old BS has been DECLARED
    [11:03:18 AM] Tonyblue: as you can see in certain reactions and actions of many people, even here
    [11:03:28 AM] fates---: yes definately
    [11:03:38 AM] fates---: this makes more sense ever day
    [11:03:47 AM] Tonyblue: You will FEEL an inner strength now
    [11:04:07 AM] Tonyblue: ABBA in your heart will make you invincible to the old memes
    [11:04:15 AM] fates---: yes, i feel that it has
    [11:04:31 AM] Tonyblue: Zia is likewise now she has grown as a femme with Abba in her heart
    [11:04:38 AM] fates---: i have to go eat now, my parents fixed me food
    [11:04:47 AM] Tonyblue: thanks for tis fates
    [11:05:01 AM] Tonyblue: intelligent and honourable discussion
    [11:05:02 AM] fates---: no, thank you
    [11:05:07 AM] fates---: haha very much so
    [11:05:09 AM] Tonyblue: whoever reads this will understand better
    [11:05:28 AM] Tonyblue: as it should be in a REAL Council of the Dragons
    [11:05:42 AM] fates---: yes
    [11:05:59 AM] fates---: agreed, only the logos and abba could bring about this higher dimentional thinking
    [11:06:08 AM] fates---: therefore we are who we claim to be
    [11:06:14 AM] *** Tonyblue has changed the conversation topic to "Abba's and Gaia's Family in the Words of the Logos of Love in a Council of the Dragons" ***
    [11:06:17 AM] fates---: be back in a seconc
    [11:07:17 AM] Tonyblue: I like this new name to stick it up the Khyber Pass of the many pretenders towards their demise and self destructions
    [11:09:36 AM] Tonyblue: Declaration of WW3 in memespace; July 14th, 2011 BY and in the name of ABBA and the Love Logos
    [11:10:16 AM] Tonyblue: after the completion of 3 days of spiritual darkness in the Whale of jonah as scripted and fulfilling prophecy
    [11:10:47 AM] Tonyblue: from the Birthday of the Abomination of Desolations, July 10th, 2011


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    When Disclosure Serves Secrecy
    by Steven M. Greer M.D.
    Copyright 1999

    Ending the secrecy surrounding the UFO/ET subject is a laudable goal. It is long overdue. It would transform the world in ways both simple and profound.​
    And yet it is fraught with danger.​
    The covert projects which have been running UFO related programs for nearly 60 years are not interested in a disclosure which upsets their apple cart. They want such a disclosure to transform their apple cart into a freight train. And they potentially have the power and connections to do it.​
    There are multiple scenarios attending the disclosure of the UFO subject- and not all of them have the best interests of humanity at heart. Elsewhere, in the new bookExtraterrestrial Contact: The Evidence and Implications I write about the kind of disclosure the world needs. An honest one. An open one. One which replaces secrecy with democracy. A disclosure which is peaceful, scientific and hopeful.​
    But then there is the disclosure the powers that be would like to see: Manipulated. Calculated to consolidate power and engender fear. Configured in such a way that chaos and a deepening need for Big Brother is carefully inculcated into the masses.​
    We have seen the plans and it is not a pretty picture.​
    I write this as a warning. A warning that the wolves in sheep clothes are very cunning indeed. And have almost limitless resources. Most who work with them do not even know they are wolves. Indeed, it is likely that many of the wolves have been convinced that they are sheep.​
    The UFO matter is not so much a mystery as a matter deliberately obfuscated and mystified. Confusion and a lack of clarity serves the larger covert goal of keeping it off the long-range radar of society while power and plans are consolidated quietly. And the one thing more dangerous to society than all this secrecy is a planned, contrived disclosure run by the keepers of the secrets.​
    For years such plans have been made – to be unfurled at just the right time. During a time of great expectation. Of social confusion. Perhaps of millennial madness?​
    I have personally met with a number of people who are very involved with such plans. I do not speculate here. Be aware: The disclosure of UFO reality is being planned very carefully. It will assiduously follow a scheme to spin the subject in just the right way – the only way which will further redound to the glory and power of the secret-keepers. It will be a false disclosure – one born out of the age-old bane of human existence: selfishness and greed. Greed for power. Greed for control. Greed for domination.​
    We must be mature and informed on such matters. Only a vigilant and informed public can see through such deceit – and correct it should such a plan be unfurled. Every citizen needs to know that great good can come from the truth being known. But the mature citizen must also recognize that the ‘truth’ can be spun and spun again – until the goals of those who crave secret and overt power are met.​
    Consider: One scenario for disclosure is that the UFO and Extraterrestrial subject is acknowledged in a way which is scientific and hopeful. Excessive secrecy which lacks executive branch and congressional oversight is ended. Humanity begins to entertain open contact with other civilizations, with peaceful engagement as the goal. Technologies which are currently suppressed are allowed to be disseminated: Pollution ends. An economy of abundance and social justice is firmly established. Global environmental destruction and mind-numbing world poverty become a faint memory. Zero-point based energy devices transform the world. Electro-gravitic devices permit above ground travel without paving over the world’s precious fertile farm land. As an ET once told Colonel Philip Corso, “Its a new world, if you can take it…”. This is the disclosure which we are working for.​
    But the disclosure envisioned above could have happened in 1950. It did not – Why? For such a disclosure would lead to the total transformation of the status quo. Centralized energy systems would be obsolete. Oil would be useful only for lubricants and synthetics. The geo-political order of today would be a thing forgotten: Every country and people on Earth would have such a high degree of progress and advancement that all nations would have a seat at the global table. Power would need to be shared. Peaceful acknowledgment of life from elsewhere would make the Earth seem like the very small, organic homeland which it is. The vast trillion dollar global military – industrial sector would be reigned in. And a universal spirituality might dawn…​
    But remember, there are hugely powerful interests who dread this scenario. For them, it is the end of the world as they know it. The end of centralized, elite power. The end of a controlled geo-political order which today leaves nearly 90% of the people of Earth barely one step out of the stone age. And they do not wish to share the power they wield.​
    Now, let me describe the ‘disclosure’ which would make these covert control programs happy. This is the false or contrived ‘disclosure’ which has only one clear goal: The further consolidation of their power and their paradigm. It has to do with fear, not love. With war, not peace. With division and conflict, not unity. It is the dominant paradigm – but it is slipping away slowly. And a carefully orchestrated disclosure of the ‘facts’ of the UFO and ET subject could secure their power. This is the disclosure which is to be dreaded. This is the disclosure to watch out for. This is the disclosure which is already occurring.​
    My meetings over the past 9 years with covert operatives who have worked on UFO related programs have introduced me to some characters right out of a spy novel – and then some. Whether in private high tech industry, at the Pentagon or at a midnight meeting in a private mansion, a theme has emerged. It is one of immense, though currently hidden, power. It transcends government as we know it (at this point the government of ‘We the people…’ has been made irrelevant on this issue). And the theme has two main strands – the eventual covert militarization of the ET subject and a weird covert religious strain which can only be viewed as bizarre.​
    Here, we find some very strange bed-fellows indeed. War mongers and militarists in cahoots with industrialists who share a certain bizarre eschatological bent: A dark view of the future, featuring an extraterrestrial Armageddon – or at least the threat of it. Such a theme supports retrograde and fanatical religious causes as well as deeply covert military-industrial plans to expand the arms race into space.​
    In fact, the big players in the so-called ‘civilian UFO community’ are tied into such beliefs and agendas. It strains credulity, I admit, but here is what we have found by penetrating these operations.​
    From a military-industrial perspective, the disclosure of choice is one which frames the UFO/ET issue in a threatening manner. If a threat from space can be established (as President Reagan liked to say) then the entire world can be united around the need to fight such a threat. This would ensure trillion dollar plus military – industrial spending well into the next century, and beyond. If you think the cold war was costly, wait until you see the price tag for this ‘protection’ from the ‘threats’ in space: The trillions spent on the cold war will look like a blue light special.​
    Retrograde and fanatical religious groups, similarly, have great vested interests in fulfilling the promise of Armageddon. An eschatological paradigm, well enshrined in the belief systems of those running covert UFO projects, is supported by the portrayal of a cosmic conflict in the heavens. Voila! We have the necessity of spinning the UFO/ET issue in the evil invading aliens (translates in religious terms as demons) direction. Indeed, this has already been accomplished, courtesy of the ‘civilian UFO community’ and the tabloid media (swhich at this point is virtually all media…).​
    Additionally, there is a subtext which can only be viewed as thinly veiled racism. You will note that part of the ‘new myth’ regarding UFOs involves the ‘good ETs’ , which invariably are described as ‘Pleidians’ who are ‘handsome’ white, blue-eyed Aryan appearing types. Naturally, those ‘evil, bad ETs’ are darker, shorter, look funny and smell funny. Please. Such clap-trap would have us trade age-old human racism for an extraterrestrial variety. This nonsense and propaganda could only make Hitler proud.​
    In one lengthy meeting with a multi-billionaire, I was told that he gave great support to UFO activities which propel the so-called ‘alien abduction’ subject into public awareness because he wanted humanity to unite around fighting this ‘alien threat’. Later, this very influential figure informed me that he believed these demonic ETs were the cause of every setback in human history since Adam and Eve. Sound familiar?​
    Military interests, which are heavily involved in covert projects which hoax ET events, such as human military- related abductions, have a shared goal of demonizing the UFO/ET phenomenon. Doing so lays the foundations for the fear and dread necessary for an organized opposition to all things ET. And this subserves the longterm need to provide a rationale for an expanding global military even should world peace emerge. In fact, under this scenario, ‘world peace’, or strictly speaking peace on Earth, could be secured by the world uniting, eventually, against the ‘threat from space’ referred to by resident Reagan. (By the way, personally I believe Reagan was the victim of disinformation specialists who surrounded him and who manipulated him into the statements he made on this subject.)​
    Under this scenario, currently being gamed and ‘disclosed’ courtesy of the trial balloon UFO ‘community’, we would get peace on Earth – in exchange for interplanetary conflict. One step forward, ten steps back. Wonderful.​
    Such a false and contrived ‘disclosure of the truth’ regarding UFOs and ETs would, then, subserve agendas held by powerful covert interests in both the military-industrial sector and those of a strange collection of religious fanatics, who pine for Armageddon — and the sooner the better.​

    James Watt
    Lest the reader think such a strange amalgam of militarists and cult-like religious interests are unlikely, remember the weird views of the Third Reich. Or more recently, the views of one US Department of the Interior cabinet secretary during the Reagan years named James Watt. It was he who, not knowing a microphone was still on and recording his comments, stated in the 1980s that we did not need to worry about all these environmental problems since Armageddon was coming soon and the world would be destroyed anyway…This bizarre view, held by a man who shaped and applied policy for the Interior Department of the US Government, was later reported in the general media. At the time a comical footnote perhaps. But what does it say about the degree to which such beliefs may be shaping covert UFO policy — and specifically disclosure plans? We have found that such views — bizarre as they may seem to most — are heavily represented in covert policy development on the UFO subject.​
    And most disconcerting of all: This strange mixture of military cosmic saber-rattling and bizarre religious beliefs are the dominant forces shaping both the ‘civilian UFO community’ and the planned eventual ‘spin’ on UFO disclosure. Let the buyer beware.​
    To the rational and intellectual, such views seem ridiculous. Why, you might ask, would anyone want a cosmic war in space, an Armageddon and the destruction of the Earth? To comprehend this, you have to get inside the head of people who hold such beliefs - people like James Watt. In his case, why worry about a little bit of deforestation, air pollution and areas of dead oceans if the entire world is going to be destroyed in a couple of years anyway?​
    But the thinking goes further than this. Because such fanatical thinking has within it the concept that as a result of the Armageddon we will see the return of Christ- and with it the good people’s salvation. Now, people are free to believe what they want. But what we have found is a deliberate influencing of covert policy on UFOs by such beliefs. Some of these people want Armageddon – and they want it ASAP.​
    Strictly speaking, the militarists and war-mongers, itching to ‘kick some alien butt’ as it was said in the movie Independence Day, may actually only want a pretext to justify their existence and get the world to eventually spend huge sums of money on a perceived (if contrived) threat from space.​
    But in some cases – high up on the food chain of the covert entity running UFO secrecy – the two views meet. A place where militarism and eschatology merge. Where Star Wars and Armageddon join.​
    In tracing the history of both the UFO civilian community and the covert policy-making group concerned with UFOs, we have found a growing penetration of the latter into the former. So much so that at this point there are projects which ostensibly are innocent civilian initiatives but which in reality are totally controlled and financed by ‘cut-outs’ from ultra-secret projects.​
    Moreover, our careful penetration of such projects yielded the disturbing finding that deep-cover black project operatives are working closely with alleged civilian researchers, journalists and UFO glitterati. CIA and military intelligence operatives are working with civilian ‘think tank’ heads, alongside very wealthy business people who are eschatologists, and being advised by ‘civilian’ technologists and scientists – who are themselves proponents of bizarre religious belief systems involving the end of the world and ETs…​
    Thus, the new ‘chosen ones’ have been assembled. They are planning your disclosure on the UFO/ET subject. They are owned by the money whores and power brokers doing the bidding of the secret entity which runs UFO projects to begin with. And it all looks like a civilian initiative. So innocent. So well-intended. So ‘scientific’. And by the way, the sky is falling courtesy of ET and we need your money and your souls to defend against it.​
    Do not be deceived. You need to be awake to the darker scenarios which some would like to thrust upon the world. And you need to know that there are alternatives. If a ‘disclosure’ is unleashed on the world which is xenophobic, militaristic and terrifying, know that it comes from the spinmeisters of secrecy- regardless of how respectable the person or group may appear to be.​
    And remember: Part of this disclosure plan involves the use of UFO look-alike devices made by humans in an attack on Earth or military assets of Earth. This would be a well-orchestrated use of advanced human technologies to hoax an ET attack- all for the purpose of disclosing the truth with the desired military-oriented spin. In such a scenario, most of humanity will be deceived into believing the threat from space has arrived – and that we must fight it at all costs. This is nothing more than long-term social security for the military-industrial complex. There must be people who can expose this fraud.​
    But why should we wait for these darker scenarios to be unleashed on an unsuspecting world?​
    Here is another idea: Why don’t ‘we the people’ unite and launch a disclosure which resembles the first one described above. An honest one. One which leads to peace, not war. To a sustainable and beautiful world, free of pollution and brimming with abundance, of all types. One which reaches out into the unknown, instead of firing particle beam weapons into the darkness of space.​
    Additionally, we welcome those who can come forward with first hand knowledge of the machinations referred to in this paper and who wish to expose such madness to contact us. The one thing the darkness of secrecy cannot tolerate is a spotlight shining right on it. And the more of us holding the light, the better.​
    Evil steps in when good people do nothing. This is a lesson taught through thousands of years of human history. We stand at the beginning of a new time, and a new world awaits us. But we must embrace it, and help create it. For if we are passive, others will have their way- at least in the short run.​
    Steven M. Greer M.D.​
    - See more at: http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/cseti-papers/when-disclosure-serves-secrecy/#sthash.pcwLzRqm.DEvb35O3.dpuf

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    empty. Brook on Sat May 03, 2014 9:09 am
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    Face to Face with Carl Jung

    "Man Cannot Stand a Meaningless Life"

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    “It’s difficult to answer,” he says. “I know. I don’t need to believe. I know.”

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    magamud wrote: How long is the cycle of Adam?

    Shiloh wrote: The Cycle is the 'Age of Man' in 1983 years from March 28th, 31AD to June 26th, 2014 = Physical Presence Interlude of the Logos of all worlds.

    Thus describing and decoding the 7 days of creation, the 'sanctity' of the mirror of the sabbath as self-reflection day and the millennium from that.

    Gospel of Thomas wrote: (85) Jesus said, "Adam came into being from a great power and a great wealth, but he did not become worthy of you. For had he been worthy, he would not have experienced death."

    (46) Jesus said, "Among those born of women, from Adam until John the Baptist, there is no one so superior to John the Baptist that his eyes should not be lowered (before him). Yet I have said, whichever one of you comes to be a child will be acquainted with the kingdom and will become superior to John."

    Genesis 6:1-3 - King James Version (KJV)

    1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

    2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    120x50 Jubilees = 6000 Years

    2 Peter 3:8 - King James Version (KJV)

    8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


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    There needs to be a way to access the abraxasinas and Thuban material...even if it's complete BS...and abraxasinas is the most unsavory character imaginable. It may have great research value. If abraxasinas was in the process of turning from darkness to light...and was beginning to expose the darkside...this material takes on even greater value. What would Raven say??


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    I felt sick. Now I feel even sicker. I wished to attempt a cordial and friendly conversation with abraxasinas...but now I can't. Nobody can. Again...I hope that the reasons for this action are as stated...and that they are not being imposed by alphabet agencies or underground bases. I was hoping for improved relations with the Thubans. How about "Live...from the Thuban Mehta Center for the Performing Arts in Alpha Draconis...it's 'Christmas With the Thubans'...with a special appearance by 'The Groovin Thubins'! My goodness...haven't we all come a long way from the dark days of the Thuban Missile Crisis??!!"

    “Darkness Leaping Out of Light”: The Summer Solstice from a different angle

    June 17, 2014 By John Halstead 9 Comments
    “Light though thou be, thou leapest out of darkness; but I am darkness leaping out of light, leaping out of thee!”
    – Moby Dick, Herman Melville
    The Summer Solstice occurs on June 21 in the Northern Hemisphere this year. It is the longest day of the year and the shortest night. Summer finally begins here in the Midwest, both meteorologically — with the warming of the air and the increasing occurrence of sunny days – and socially — with the end of the school year. (Which is why I don’t call the day “Midsummer” — “Midsummer”, for me, falls after Lughnasadh in early August.) The summer solstice is the twin to the winter solstice which falls around December 21. The day is called “Litha” by many Pagans. “Litha” is the name given to the summer inter-calendary period by the Anglo-Saxons, just as “Yule” is the name they gave to the winter inter-calendary period — which is where we get the name Yule for the Christmas-tide.
    I’ve got a somewhat different take on the Summer Solstice than many other Pagans. Many Pagans celebrate the summer solstice by honoring the light. That’s natural enough. It’s summer after all. What’s more natural than to celebrate the light in the summer? Often summer solstice rituals are performed at high noon (much to the chagrin of those standing under the sweltering sun in ceremonial robes) — just as some winter solstice rituals are performed at midnight. But for me, the summer solstice is as much, if not more, about the darkness than the light. The summer solstice is the longest day, but it is also the day when the days begin to grow shorter again and we anticipate the decline of the year. It has always seemed odd to me that we Pagans should celebrate the light at the winter solstice and again at the summer solstice.​
    “Virgin and Child” by William Adolphe Bouguereau (inverted)
    Neo-Paganism, as I understand it, is all about balance. It is about bringing opposites together into harmony. At the winter solstice, we celebrated the birth of the Sun Child from his mother, the Goddess, Mother Night. (This Neo-Pagan myth is mirrored somewhat in the Christian Nativity.) And if we celebrated the birth of the Sun Child on the longest night, what else would be celebrate on the longest day but the birth of the Dark Child from his mother, the Goddess of the Sun?
    The myth of the birth of the Dark Child is a wholly new myth, invented for Neo-Pagans. In some ancient pagan traditions, the Sun is a male God, but in others she is a Goddess. For example, the ancient Japanese worshiped a goddess of the Sun called Amaterasu. And the Egyptians worshipped a sun goddess, Sekhmet, who had the head of a lion. But in neither of these cases did the Goddess have a son — at least not that I am aware of. In spite of its absence of (paleo)-pagan antecedents, I think the myth of the Dark Child fits perfectly with the Neo-Pagan mythos and the Wheel of the Year.
    The Dark Child is born at Litha and will eventually grow up to be what Neo-Pagans call the Holly King, the King of Winter. He will battle the Oak King, the King of Summer, who was born on the opposite point on the Wheel of the Year, at Yule. In the Neo-Pagan myth the Sun Child and the Dark Child are twin brothers — not identical twins, but mirror twins. The story I tell my children is that the Dark Child was born out of the shadows that are cast by the summer solstice fires (“darkness leaping out of light”) — fires which both represent the consummation of the love of the Goddess and her Consort and presage the impending immolation of the Consort in August.
    This Neo-Pagan myth is reflected in the Celtic myth of two kings, Gwyn and Gwythr, the white son of the night and the dark son of the day who battle for the love of a maiden, representing the Neo-Pagan Goddess. The myth of the Dark Child is also reflected in the Egyptian myths about Set, who burst from his mother’s side prematurely, grew to be his brother’s slayer, and is ultimately slain in turn by his brother’s son. It is reflected in the Norse myths about Loki, who orchestrates the death of the Norse sun god, Balder, and sets into motion Ragnarok, the doom of the gods. And it is reflected in the Arthurian legends about Mordred, Arthur’s illegitimate son who takes his fathers throne (and his wife) while Arthur is away, after which the two slay each other.
    The Dark Child represents, for me, the seed of destruction at the heart of all endeavor — in Hegelian terms, the antithesis to every thesis, which leads eventually to a new synthesis. He is present in all our deeds, all our thoughts, all our desires, all our dreams. But the Dark Child is not evil or bad. Just as the light half is not good, per se. They are both part of a whole, and it is the the whole that is good.
    The Christian myth contains these anti-theses in form of Christ and Satan (or the Anti-Christ). Carl Jung theorized that the Christ figure represents the self, while the Satan or the Anti-Christ represents the Shadow — that part of ourselves that we repress and refuse to recognize:
    “If we see the traditional figure of Christ as a parallel to the psychic manifestation of the self, then the Antichrist would correspond to the shadow of the self, namely the dark half of the human totality, which ought not to be judged too optimistically. So far as we can judge from experience, light and shadow are so evenly distributed in man’s nature that his psychic totality appears, to say the least of it, in a somewhat murky light. … In the empirical self, light and shadow form a paradoxical unity. In the Christian concept, on the other hand, the archetype is hopelessly split into two irreconcilable halves, leading ultimately to a metaphysical dualism—the final separation of the kingdom of heaven from the fiery world of the damned.”
    Jung explains that, prior to the Manichaean influence upon Christianity, Clement taught that God ruled the world with his right and his left hand, the right being his son Christ and the left being his other son Satan — the two providing a kind of balance in the “paradoxical unity” that is God. Later, however, Christianity became dualistic, splitting off one half of these complementary opposites, personified in the irreconcilable figure of Satan (and thereby creating the “awkward” problem of theodicy). According to Jung, Satan is a necessary psychological response to the pathologically one-sided nature of Christ:
    “Psychologically the case is clear, since the dogmatic figure of Christ is so sublime and spotless that everything else turns dark beside it. It is, in fact, so one-sidedly perfect that it demands a psychic complement to restore the balance. This inevitable opposition led very early to the doctrine of the two sons of God, of whom the elder was called Satanael. The coming of the Antichrist is not just a prophetic prediction— it is an inexorable psychological law … every intensified differentiation of the Christ-image brings about a corresponding accentuation of its unconscious complement, thereby increasing the tension between above and below.”​
    The Wheel of the Year and Yin-Yang
    In Neo-Paganism, these previously irreconcilable images are brought together again and reconciled in the gestalt of the Wheel of the Year, in which these two archetypes are held in a dynamic and creative tension. We might visualize the relationship of the Sun Child and the Dark Child as the Chinese symbol of the yin-yang. To a Neo-Pagan, the light spot on the dark field may represent the Sun Child born from the womb of the Goddess of Night at the winter solstice. And the dark spot in the light field may represent the Child of Darkness born from the Goddess of Day at the summer solstice. The two are balance and unified in the movement of the Wheel.
    For me, then, the summer solstice is not about the light, but reclaiming the dark. In the words of Starhawk:
    “… we begin by making new metaphors. Without negating the lght, we reclaim the dark: the fertile earth where the hidden seed lies unfolding, the unseen power that rises within us, the dark of sacred human flesh, the depths of the ocean, the night — when our senses quicken; we reclaim all the lost parts of ourselves we have shoved down into the dark. Instead of enlightenment, we begin to speak of deepening …”​
    — Starhawk, Dreaming the Dark

    Gospel of Thomas wrote:

    Gospel of Thomas

    (66) Jesus said, "Show me the stone which the builders have rejected. That one is the cornerstone."

    The Gardener 66
    Tagore, Rabindranath (1861 - 1941)

    A wandering madman was seeking the touchstone, with matted locks, tawny and dust-laden, and body worn to a shadow, his lips tight-pressed, like the shut-up doors of his heart, his burning eyes like the lamp of a glow-worm seeking its mate.

    Before him the endless ocean roared.

    The garrulous waves ceaselessly talked of hidden treasures, mocking the ignorance that knew not their meaning.

    Maybe he now had no hope remaining, yet he would not rest, for the search had become his life, --

    Just as the ocean for ever lifts its arms to the sky for the unattainable --

    Just as the stars go in circles, yet seeking a goal that can never be reached --

    Even so on the lonely shore the madman with dusty tawny locks still roamed in search of the touchstone.

    One day a village boy came up and asked, "Tell me, where did you come at this golden chain about your waist?"

    The madman started -- the chain that once was iron was verily gold; it was not a dream, but he did not know when it had changed.

    He struck his forehead wildly -- where, O where had he without knowing it achieved success?

    It had grown into a habit, to pick up pebbles and touch the chain, and to throw them away without looking to see if a change had come; thus the

    madman found and lost the touchstone.

    The sun was sinking low in the west, the sky was of gold.

    The madman returned on his footsteps to seek anew the lost treasure, with his strength gone, his body bent, and his heart in the dust, like a tree uprooted.

    What thou lovest well remains,
    the rest is dross
    What thou lov'st well shall not be reft from thee
    What thou lov'st well is thy true heritage
    Whose world, or mine or theirs
    or is it of none?
    First came the seen, then thus the palpable
    Elysium, though it were in the halls of hell,
    What thou lovest well is thy true heritage
    What thou lov'st well shall not be reft from thee

    Ezra Pound Pisan Cantos, LXXXI


    The Dark Child

    Posted by John Halstead


    I am the Dark Child,
    the Dark Twin,
    the Other.

    I was known as Set to the Memphites
    Typhaon to the Hellenes,
    Loki to the Norsemen,
    Mordred to the Brythons,
    and by many names which are now forgotten.

    born at the Summer Solstice,
    I am the Midnight Sun,
    darkness leaping out of light.

    Born from the compulsion and malice of forbidden love,
    I am the seed of destruction at the heart of all life.
    I am the Worm that eats the Season,
    the serpent that gnaws at the roots of the World Tree.

    My coming in an inexorable law.
    I have no worship,
    but I am present in all your deeds,
    and all your thoughts,
    and all your desires,
    and all your dreams,

    Seek me there.

    The beast that was, is not and is yet to come
    I do not belong here
    The voices I hear are from another world
    It sits on top of this one
    An invisible capstone
    Humming songs that no human ear can hear
    I fell into the slit of Gecko eye
    The keyhole of all memory
    And traveled back to the beginning of time
    To no time, no one, nothing
    Zero point
    Double FF, route 66
    And out of this emerged
    An ancient mind
    Whatever I was before
    No longer exists
    I grew wings of quantum ash
    And I fly
    I am the fly
    Buzzing with ninety nine folded, lotus eyes
    My long tongue snaps out
    Sticky, devouring my black wing
    Body, head and all
    Sailing the star filled vastness
    I fold space, blooming intimately
    Like flames burning and licking
    The air
    I do not belong here
    Staring down the aisles of Wallmart
    Hunting for bug spray.

    Gospel of Thomas
    (66) Jesus said, "Show me the stone which the builders have rejected. That one is the cornerstone."

    ©Julienne Alvarez 6-18-2014

    Maiden’s head

    Eyelets of wave
    Undulate, shimmering
    Net of lace
    Draped over my watery orb, scintillate softly
    Toward the horizon, the ever worn path
    Burnt saffron cut out on sea glass
    Aton skipping
    Eternally, slowly rolling, reaching in long
    Surging pulls at my feet
    Tucked into the scrubbing pearl sand
    I float here, swaying
    Bobbing gently above and below
    These legs, stalking my underbelly
    Beside the dark waters
    This wave of me, newly winged
    Blue Heron fishing the sky.

    ©Julienne Alvarez, 6/13/2014

    Photo by Dave Lichterman
    Rosario Beach, Deception Pass, WA

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    Allisiam - Posted Jun 21st


    The paradox is that 'the play's the thing':
    though prima donna pouts and critic stings,
    there burns throughout the line of words,
    the cultivated act,
    a fierce brief fusion which dreamers call real,
    and realists, illusion


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    Jorgelito - Posted Jun 21st

    Allisiam - Posted 29 Hours Ago


    The paradox is that 'the play's the thing':
    though prima donna pouts and critic stings,
    there burns throughout the line of words,
    the cultivated act, a fierce brief fusion
    which dreamers call real, and realists, illusion


    Allisiam, thank you for sharing Sylvia Plath. So much of the time what we do seems important and necessary when in fact it's also an excuse for (the) play that dreamers call real and realists, illusion.
    . . . It's like we find, create or invite things so we can experience that -- and it matters not if we are aware of it -- which is most odd. It makes sense though if we are experiencing life in various worlds at the same time so what we see is only a part of the picture. Sometimes our lives might intersect and share the same space -- weaving our ourselves one through the other -- when life awakens us & everything changes. Might be a person. Might be something else.
    I looked up parallax (
    Love Is A Parallax) -- It's the apparent displacement of the foreground relative to the background when viewed from different positions -- used by astronomers to measure distances to stellar objects.


    The binocular vision of predators gives depth likewise.


    So why is love parallax? Maybe to get a bead -- triangulate -- on that quiet quiet spot in our heart that goes forever -- from which life flows -- our root, our being -- by taking snapshots of ourselves -- outside, inside, makes no difference, it's all good, from different angles.
    Here are some basic snapshots . . .

    Fribble Non Fribble

    Is one more important than the other? Probably not. It’s just a play. So likely the question is not authentic. We could drudge up Karma, soul contracts and Divine Purpose, but it’s just a play after all is said and done. It is the forever space in our heart and in every play we might dream up that is our star, our rock and the ground upon which we stand.
    The snapshots we take but don't see must be in a space where words don't count (as in sunrise & sunsets); otherwise, it would've made sense long ago. Thanks for listening :)


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