Lineages back to Brittany (Bretagne)

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    Authentic Ancient Coin of:


    Magnus Maximus - Roman Emperor 383-388 A.D.
    Bronze AE4 13mm (1.12 grams) Aquileia mint: 383-388 A.D.

    Reference: RIC 55a (Aquileia), LRBC 1103
    DNMAGMAXIMVSPFAVG - Diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    SPESROMANORVM Exe: SMAQ - Camp gate with two turrets and star above.

    Magnus Clemens Maximus (ca. 335–August 28, 388),
    also known as Maximianus and Macsen Wledig in Welsh,
    from 383 until his death, in 388, by order of Emperor Theodosius I.

    Maximus was a distinguished general who served under Theodosius the Elder.
    He certainly served with him in Africa in 373 and on the Danube in 376.
    It is likely he also may have been a junior officer in Britain
    during the quelling of the Great Conspiracy in 368.
    Assigned to Britain in 380, he defeated an incursion of the Picts and Scots in 381.
    Maximus was proclaimed emperor by his troops in 383.
    He went to Gaul to pursue his imperial ambitions taking a large number
    of British troops with him.
    Following his conquest of Gaul, Maximus went out to meet his main opponent,
    Gratian, whom he defeated near Paris.
    Gratian, after fleeing, was killed at Lyon on August 25, 383.
    Continuing his campaign into Italy Maximus was stopped
    from overthrowing Valentinian II, who was aged only twelve,
    with a powerful force to stop him.
    Negotiations followed in 384 including the intervention of Ambrose, Bishop of Milan,
    leading to an accord with Valentinian II and Theodosius I in which Maximus
    was recognized as an Augustus in the west.
    Maximus made his capital at Augusta Treverorum (Treves, Trier) in Gaul
    and ruled Britain, Gaul, Spain, and Africa.
    He issued coinage and a number of edicts reorganizing Gaul's system of provinces.
    Some scholars believe Maximus may have founded the office of the Comes Britanniarum
    as well.
    He became a popular emperor, Quintus Aurelius Symmachus delivered
    a panegyric on Maximus' virtues.
    He used barbarian forces such as the Alamanni to great effect.
    He was also a stern persecutor of heretics.
    It was on his orders that Priscillian and 6 companions became the first people
    in the history of Christianity to be executed for heresy, in this case of Priscillianism,
    by other Christians (though the civil charges were for the practice of magic),
    and their property was confiscated.
    These executions went ahead despite the wishes of prominent men
    such as St. Martin of Tours.
    Maximus' edict of 387 or 388 which censured Christians at Rome for burning down
    a Jewish synagogue, was condemned by Bishop Ambrose who said people exclaimed:
    ‘the emperor has become a Jew’
    In 387 Maximus managed to force Valentinian II out of Rome
    after which he fled to Theodosius I.
    Theodosius I and Valentinian II then invaded from the east and campaigned
    against Magnus Maximus in July-August 388, their troops being led by Richomeres
    and other generals.
    Maximus was defeated in the Battle of the Save, and retreated to Aquileia.
    Meanwhile the Franks under Marcomer had taken the opportunity
    and invaded at the same time further weakening Maximus' position.
    Andragathius, magister equitum of Maximus and killer of Gratian, was defeated
    near Siscia while Maximus' brother, Marcellinus, fell in battle at Poetovio.
    Maximus surrendered in Aquileia and although he pleaded for mercy was executed.
    The Senate passed a decree of Damnatio memoriae against him.
    However, his mother and at least two daughters were spared.
    Maximus' son, Flavius Victor, was executed at Trier by Valentinian's
    magister peditum Arbogast in the fall of the same year
    What happened to Maximus' family after his downfall is not related.
    He is known to have had a wife, who is recorded as having sought spiritual counsel
    from St. Martin of Tours during his time at Trier.
    Her ultimate fate, and even her name, have not been passed down to history.
    The same is true of Maximus' mother and daughters spared by Theodosius.
    One of these daughters might have been married to Ennodius, proconsul Africae (395).
    Ennodius' grandson was Petronius Maximus, another ill-fated emperor,
    who ruled in Rome for but 77 days before he was stoned to death
    while fleeing from the Vandals on May 24, 455.
    Other descendants of Ennodius, and thus possibly of Maximus,
    included Anicius Olybrius, emperor in 472, but also several consuls and bishops
    such as
    St. Magnus Felix Ennodius (Bishop of Pavia c. 514-21).
    We also encounter an otherwise unrecorded daughter of Magnus Maximus,
    Sevira, on the Pillar of Eliseg, an early medieval inscribed stone in Wales
    which claims her marriage to Vortigern, king of the Britons.
    Role in British and Breton history

    In Gildas's De Excidio et Conquestu Britanniae written in the sixth century,
    Maximus is attributed an important role as the man responsible
    for withdrawing Roman troops from Britain on a major scale
    and thus leaving it open to barbarian attack.
    The archaeological evidence backs up Gildas's account in that the late fourth century
    seems to have been the period when Roman troops were withdrawn
    from areas likeHadrian's Wall and Segontium, with no coins found later than 383.
    The earliest Welsh genealogies give Maximus (Welsh: Macsen/Maxen Wledig)
    a role as a founding father of the dynasties of many of Welsh kingdoms
    the sort of claims reflected in the Pillar of Eliseg and in lists of the Fifteen Tribes of Wales.
    It has been argued that this role may be a result of genuine land grants and delegationd
    of authority by Roman authorities to local leaders such as Vortigern and Padarn Beisrud
    on troop withdrawal.
    It also has been suggested he settled the Déisi and Attacotti in Britain.
    Although it is impossible to back these ideas with any certainty,
    and they could be later invention, it is obvious that a connection to Macsen
    was seen as highly desirable early in Welsh history.
    The ninth century Historia Brittonum gives another account of Maxiumus
    and assigns him an important role:
    The seventh emperor was Maximianus.
    He withdrew from Britain with all its military force,
    slew Gratianus the king of the Romans,
    and obtained the sovereignty of all Europe.
    Unwilling to send back his warlike companions to their wives, families, and possessions in Britain, he conferred upon them numerous districts from the lake on the summit of Mons lovis, to the city called Cant Guic, and to the western Tumulus, that is Cruc Occident. These are the Armoric Britons, and they remain there to the present day. In consequence of their absence, Britain being overcome by foreign nations, the lawful heirs were cast out, till God interposed with his assistance.
    Modern historians believe that this idea of mass British troop settlement
    in Brittany by Maximus may very well reflect some reality,
    as it accords with other historical evidence and later Breton traditions.
    Welsh legend

    Legendary versions of Maximus' career in which he marries a Welsh princess Helen
    may have been in popular circulation in Welsh speaking areas from an early point.
    Although the story of Helen and Maximus's meeting is almost certainly fictional,
    there is some evidence for the basic claims.
    He is certainly given a prominent place in the earliest version of the Welsh Triads
    which are believed to date from c. 1100 and which reflect far older traditions.
    Macsen is also frequently referred to in Welsh poetry as a point of comparison
    to later Welsh leaders. These legends come down to us in two separate versions.
    Geoffrey of Monmouth

    According to Geoffrey of Monmouth's fictional Historia Regum Britanniae (ca. 1136),
    basis for many English and Welsh legends, Maximian as he calls him,
    was a Roman senator and nephew of Coel Henthrough his brother Ioelinus
    and was king of the Brythons following the death of Octavius.
    Geoffrey tells this came about because Octavius, the king of the Britons,
    wanted to wed his daughter to such a powerful half-Roman,
    half-Briton and give the kingship of Britain as a dowry
    to that husband so he sent a message to Rome offering his daughter to Maximian.
    Caradocus, the Duke of Cornwall, had suggested and supported the marriage
    between Octavius's daughter and Maximian.
    Maximian accepted the offer and left Rome for Britain.
    Geoffrey claims further that Maximian gathered an army as he sacked Frankish towns
    along the way.
    He invaded Clausentum (modern Southampton) unintentionally
    and nearly fought the army of the Britons under Conanus
    before a truce was made.
    Following further negotiations, Maximian was given the kingship of Britain
    and Octavius retired. Five years into his kingship,
    Magnus Maximus assembled a vast fleet and invaded Gaul,
    leaving Britain in the control of Caradocus.
    Upon reaching the kingdom of Armorica, he defeated the king
    and killed thousands of inhabitants.
    Before departing to Rome, he summoned Conanus, the rebellious nephew of Octavius,
    and asked him to rule as king of the land, which was renamed Brittany,
    or 'Little Britain'.
    Conan's men married native women after cutting out their tongues
    to preserve the purity of their language.
    Geoffrey of Monmouth presents this legend to explain the Welsh name for Brittany,
    Llydaw, as originating from lled-taw or half-silent.
    Given that Conan was well established in genealogies as the founder of Brittany
    this certainly is connected to an older tradition than Geoffrey.
    Following the death of Caradocus rule of Britain as regent passed to Dionotus,
    who facing a foreign invasion appealed to Maximus who finally sent a man
    named Gracianus Municeps with two legions to stop the attack.
    He killed many thousands before the invaders fled to Ireland.
    Maximus died in Rome soon after
    and Dionotus became the official king of the Britons.
    Unfortunately, before he could begin his reign,
    Gracianus took hold of the crown and made himself king over Dionotus.
    The Dream of Macsen Wledig

    Although the Mabinogion tale The Dream of Macsen Wledig is written
    in later manuscripts than Geoffrey's version, the two accounts are so different
    that scholars agree the Dream cannot be based purely on Geoffrey's version.
    The Dream's account also seems to accord better with details in the Triads,
    so it perhaps reflects an earlier tradition.
    Macsen Wledig, the Emperor of Rome, dreams one night of a lovely maiden
    in a wonderful, far-off land.
    Awakening, he sends his men all over the earth in search of her.
    With much difficulty they find her in a rich castle in Britain, daughter of a chieftain
    based at Segontium (Caernarfon), and lead the Emperor to her.
    Everything he finds is exactly as in his dream.
    The maiden, whose name is Helen or Elen, accepts and loves him.
    Because Elen is found a virgin, Macsen gives her father sovereignty over the island
    of Britain and orders three castles built for his bride.
    In Macsen's absence, a new emperor seizes power and warns him not to return.
    With the help of men from Britain led by Elen's brother Conanus
    (Welsh: Kynan Meriadec, French: Conan Meriadoc),
    Macsen marches across Gaul and Italy and recaptures Rome.
    In gratitude to his British allies, Macsen rewards them with a portion of Gaul
    that becomes known as Brittany.
    Later literature

    The prominent place of Macsen in history, Welsh legend and in the Matter of Britain
    means he is often a character or referred to in historical and Arthurian fiction.
    Such stories include Stephen R. Lawhead's Pendragon Cycle, Mary Stewart's
    The popular Welsh folk song Yma o Hyd, recorded by Dafydd Iwan in 1981,
    recalls Macsen Wledig and celebrates the continued survival of the Welsh people
    since his days.
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    Magnus Maximus, Emperor of the Western Roman Empire is your 41st great grandfather.
    Susan Lynne Schwenger

    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother

    James aka Jim Edward Handy JR.
    her father

    James aka Jim (Ruthven) Handy SR.
    his father

    Marion (Rennie) Ruthven - Handy-Satchell
    his mother

    Alexander (Thompson) Ruthven
    her father

    Robert (Witherspoon) Ruthven, SR
    his father

    John (Henderson) Ruthven
    his father

    John (Peadie) Ruthven
    his father
    Mary Henderson
    his mother

    John (Hutcheson) Ruthven
    his father
    Marrion aka Marion Margaret Peadie - Ruthven
    his mother

    George (Reid) Ruthven
    his father
    Elspeth Hutcheson - Ruthven
    his mother

    William Alexander (Clerk) Ruthven
    his father
    Isobel Reid - Ruthven
    his mother, Daughter of James Reid

    William (Gray) Ruthven
    his father
    Marion Clerk
    his mother

    Sir William (Halyburton) Ruthven
    his father
    Mary Gray - Seaton - Ruthven
    his mother, Daughter of Sir Patrick Gray, 4th Lord Gray andMarion Gray

    Janet Halyburton, Lady Dirletoun Castle
    his mother
    William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven Castle
    his father, Son of William Ruthven, Lord & Master of Ruthven Castle
    and Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven

    Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun Castle
    her father
    Margaret Douglas - Halyburton
    her mother, Daughter of Sir Robert Douglas of Lochleven
    and Lady Margaret Balfour-Douglas, Countess of Morton

    George Halyburton, 3rd/4th Lord Dirletoun Castle
    his father
    Mariota Halyburton

    his wife

    Sir John Halyburton, 1st/2nd Lord of Dirletoun Castle
    his father
    Janet Seton of Seton
    his mother, Daughter of Sir William Seton of Seton and Janet Dunbar of March

    Marjorie Douglas, Countess of Atholl
    his mother
    Sir Walter Halyburton, Lord Halyburton of Dirleton Castle
    his father, Son of Sir Walter Halyburton of Dirleton and Isabel Stewart, of Albany

    Joanna Moray, Lady of Drumersgard
    her mother
    Archibald Douglas "The Grim", 3rd Earl of Douglas
    her father, Son of Sir James Douglas of Lothian and Beatrice Lindsay of Crawford

    Joan de Menteith
    her mother
    Maurice Moray, Earl of Strathearn
    her father, Son of Sir John Moray of Drumsargard and Mary of Strathearn

    Helena of Mar
    her mother
    John DE Menteith of Rusky & Knapdale
    his father, Son of Walter "Bailloch-Freckled" Stewart, Earl of Menteith
    and Mary of Menteith, Countess of Menteith

    Gartnait MacDomhnaill, 7th Earl of Mar
    her father
    Christina Bruce
    her mother, Daughter of Robert de Bruce, 6th Lord of Annandale
    and Margorie (of Carrick) Countess of Carrick

    Elen ferch Llywelyn
    his mother
    Donald de Mar, 6th Earl of Mar
    his father, Son of William de Mar, 5th Earl of Mar andElizabeth Comyn

    Llywelyn the Great, Prince of Gwynedd
    her father
    Joan Plantagenet, Lady Snowdon, Princess of Wales
    her mother, Daughter of John Lackland, King of England

    Margred of Powys
    his mother
    Iorwerth ab Owain, Prince in Wales
    his father, Son of Owain Fawr ap Gruffudd, King of Gwyneddand Gwladys Queen of Gwynedd

    Susanna verch Gruffydd
    her mother
    Madog ap Maredudd
    her father, Son of Maredudd ap Bleddyn, Brenin of Powys andHunydd verch Einudd

    Angharad verch Owain
    her mother
    Gruffydd ap Cynan
    Son of Cynan ap Iago and Ranallt Olafsdottir

    Morwyl verch Ednywain
    her mother
    Owain ap Eadwine
    her father Son of Eadwine ap Gronwy and Iwerydd verch Cynfyn

    Gwerful verch Lluddica
    her mother
    Ednywain Bendew ap Neiniad
    her father, Son of Neiniad ap Gwaethfoed

    Llyddoca ap Tudur Trevor, Lord of Maelors and Oswestry
    her father
    Angharad verch Iago
    her mother, Daughter of Iago ap Idwal

    Tudor Trevor AP YNYR, Lord of the March
    his father
    Angharad verch Hywel
    Daughter of Hywel Dda ap Cadell, King of the Britons and Elen verch Llywarch

    Ynyr ap Cadfrarch
    his father
    Rheingar verch Lluddoccaf
    his mother, Daughter of Lluddoccaf ap Caradoc

    Gwernen ap Cadfarch
    his father
    his mother

    Cadfarch ap Gwaeddgar
    his father

    Gwaeddgar ap Bywyn
    his father

    Bywyn ap Byordderch
    his father

    Byordderch ap Gwylawr
    his father

    Gwylawr ap Gwynfyw
    his father

    Gwynfyw Frych (ap Cadell)
    his father

    Cadell Ddyrnllug "Gleaming-Hilt" ap Cadeyrn, Brenin Powys
    his father
    Gwdfil verch Brychan
    his mother, Daughter of St. Brychan Gododdin, Brenin Brycheiniog and Prawst verch Tudwal

    Caderyn Fendigaid ap Gwrtheyrn, Brenin Powys
    his father

    Sevira Verch MacSen
    his mother
    Vortigern, King of the Britons
    his mother, Son of Gwidol Vitalis ap Gwydolin and Dinoi of Lidinin

    Magnus Maximus aka Magnus Maximus Augustus "Macsen Wledig" Flavius, Roman Usurper
    Emperor of the Western Roman Empire
    her father, Son of Eucherius and Flavia
    St. Elen Lwyddog 'of the Host' of Britain
    her mother Daughter of Eudaf Octavius Hen ab Einydd andAurelia Carausia

    Magnus Maximus Augustus "Macsen Wledig" Flavius,

    Roman Usurper

    Magnus Maximus Augustus "Macsen Wledig" Flavius, Roman Usurper citation_note-b0347a43ba6753929007deb6e52ad47c. MP

    Birth:circa 340
    Callaecia, Spain citation_note-b0347a43ba6753929007deb6e52ad47c.
    Death:August 28, 388 (48)
    Aquileia, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy citation_note-b0347a43ba6753929007deb6e52ad47c.
    Immediate Family:
    Son of Eucherius and Flavia
    Husband of Ceindrech ferch Rheiden and St. Elen Lwyddog 'of the Host' of Britain
    Father of Eugenius; Flavius Victor, Roman Usurper;Antonius Donatus Gregorius; Custennin Fendigaid Constantine "the Blessed"; St. Publicus; Gratianna of Galloway; Ednyfed . ap Macsen and Sevira
    Brother of Andragathius; Marcellinus and Malvius
    Curated by:Erin Spiceland

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    Budic Castellin is your 32nd great grandfather.
    Susan Lynne Schwenger

    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother

    James aka Jim Edward Handy JR.
    her father

    James aka Jim (Ruthven) Handy SR.
    his father

    Marion (Rennie) Ruthven - Handy-Satchell
    his mother

    Alexander (Thompson) Ruthven
    her father

    Robert (Witherspoon) Ruthven, SR
    his father

    John (Henderson) Ruthven
    his father

    John (Peadie) Ruthven
    his father

    John (Hutcheson) Ruthven
    his father

    George (Reid) Ruthven
    his father

    William Alexander (Clerk) Ruthven
    his father

    William (Gray) Ruthven
    his father

    Sir William (Halyburton) Ruthven
    his father

    William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven
    his father

    Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven
    his mother

    Elisabeth Stewart, Countess of Argyll
    her mother

    John Stewart, 1st Earl of Atholl
    her father

    James Stewart, the Black Knight of Lorn
    his father

    Sir John Stewart of Innermeath
    his father

    Isabella Margaret, Countess of Fife, and Angus, Heiress of Hokettle MacDuff
    his mother

    Sir Donnchadh Duncan IV, 10th Earl of Fife
    her father

    Johanna Macduff
    his mother

    Alice de Lusignan, de Angouleme
    her mother

    Yolande de Dreux
    her mother

    Alix de Thouars
    her mother

    Constance de Bretagne, Duchess
    her mother

    Conan IV de Bretagne, Count
    her father

    Bertha of Brittany
    his mother

    Conan III "le gros", duc de Bretagne
    her father

    Alain IV "Fergant" de Cornouaille, duc de Bretagne
    his father

    Hoël II (V), duke of Brittany
    his father

    Alain "Canhiart" de Cornouaille, duc de Bretagne
    his father

    Benedict de Cornouaille
    his father

    Budic Castellin
    his father

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